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Oliver Stone testifies at House hearing on JFK files! · Gil I Am

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Speaker 1: The Task Force on Declassification of Federal Secrets will come
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Speaker 1: to order.
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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone.
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Speaker 1: I request unanu's consent that mister Biggs of Arizona, mister
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Speaker 1: Perry of Pennsylvania, mister Ogles of Tennessee, and mister Mosquitz
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Speaker 1: of Florida are permitted to participate in this hearing for
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Speaker 1: the purpose of questions without objection. So ordered, without objection,
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Speaker 1: the Chair may declare a recess at any time. I
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Speaker 1: now recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, esteemed colleagues, distinguished guests, and fellow Americans watching today,
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Speaker 1: We stand at a pivotal moment, a juncture where history
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Speaker 1: demands our unflinching attention and our unwavering commitment to the truth.
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Speaker 1: The assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November twenty second,
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, remains one of the most defining and
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Speaker 1: haunting events in our nation's history. For over six decades,
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Speaker 1: questions have lingered, shrouded in secrecy and speculation. With the
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Speaker 1: recent efforts made to declassify over eighty thousand pages of
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Speaker 1: classified documents, fighting against the requests of redactions, combined with
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Speaker 1: prior releases under the previous administration. We have an unprecedented
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Speaker 1: opportunity to peel back the layers of the dark day
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Speaker 1: and lay bare the facts for all to see. For
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Speaker 1: the first time in years, we are seeing a complete
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Speaker 1: cooperation between the US government and enterprise. Today marks a
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Speaker 1: historical day on our nation's history. After over eighty thousand
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Speaker 1: pages were declassified by this administration, and previous documents declassified
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Speaker 1: under previous admins were located at the National Archives, it
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Speaker 1: is time to present the findings to the American people
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Speaker 1: so that they can determine the truth for themselves. What
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Speaker 1: has been alarming to me is the amount of stonewalling
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Speaker 1: the federal government put forward to high this information from
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Speaker 1: the American people. The days of overclassification in the name
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Speaker 1: of national security is coming to an end. The revelations
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Speaker 1: emerging from these files are nothing short of staggering discoveries
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Speaker 1: that challenge the long held assumptions and race profound questions
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Speaker 1: about what we've done told happened on that day. Investigators
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Speaker 1: pouring over these pages have uncovered evidence that demands our scrutiny,
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Speaker 1: evidence that suggests the official narrative may have been incomplete
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Speaker 1: at best, and at worst, deliberately obscured. It has become
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Speaker 1: apparent that in this investigation some factions of the federal
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Speaker 1: government did not want to be transparent. This type of
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Speaker 1: perspective cannot exist in a free and fair society, and
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Speaker 1: today we have called some great witnesses. To be quite honest,
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Speaker 1: we had more, but for various reasons, those individuals did
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Speaker 1: not want to come forward. I also understand the implications
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Speaker 1: that this has on the family, and it is not
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Speaker 1: our objective to reopen old wounds, but to ensure that
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Speaker 1: what happened to President John F. Kennedy can never happen
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Speaker 1: again in US history. That can only be done if
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Speaker 1: the truth is known to the American people and the facts.
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Speaker 2: Are able to speak for themselves.
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Speaker 1: The courage of those who are here today, experts in
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Speaker 1: their fields, underscores the gravity of this moment. Their testimony
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Speaker 1: will help us piece together a puzzle that has been
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Speaker 1: fragmented for too long. Let me be clear, there are
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Speaker 1: sincere concerns and discrepancies regarding the Warren Commission pushing forward
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Speaker 1: a narrative without all the facts, and according to testimony
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Speaker 1: of various witnesses omitting evidence.
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Speaker 2: I would also further argue that the handling of.
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Speaker 1: This investigation has largely contributed to the deep distrust the
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Speaker 1: American people have had with the federal government and various
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Speaker 1: intelligence agencies. It is those facts that I hope to
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Speaker 1: present to the American people today. For years, we've relied
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Speaker 1: on report that, while maybe well intentioned, was built on
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Speaker 1: a foundation of omissions and half truths. Now, with these
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Speaker 1: newly declassified documents, we can confront those discrepancies, whether its
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Speaker 1: inconsistencies and witness accounts, overlooked intelligence, or the troubling indications
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Speaker 1: of interference that investigators are just now bringing to light.
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Speaker 1: This is not about rewriting history for the sake of sensation.
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Speaker 1: It's about honoring our duty to the truth and to
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Speaker 1: the citizens we serve. As we begin this hearing, I
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Speaker 1: ask you to approach it with open minds insteadfast resolve.
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Speaker 1: The American people have waited long enough. They deserve answers,
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Speaker 1: not obstruction. That deserve a government that trusts them with
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Speaker 1: the unvarnished reality, not one that hides behind locked faults.
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Speaker 1: What we uncover today man subtlest, but it will also
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Speaker 1: empower us to learn from the past, to protect our future,
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Speaker 1: and to ensure that transparency triumphs over secrecy. Let us
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Speaker 1: proceed with the seriousness this moment demands, for the sake
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Speaker 1: of justice, for the memory of President Kennedy, and for
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Speaker 1: the soul of our republic.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I would like to now recognize Ranking Member Garcia for
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Speaker 1: the purpose of making an opening statement.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much, True Oman Luna.
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Speaker 4: Before I begin, I just want to just publicly first
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Speaker 4: congratulate you on a I think tremendous effort obviously within
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Speaker 4: the Congress and your support of new parents in the Congress.
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Speaker 4: And I also want to recognize the hard work that
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Speaker 4: many folks from a caucus as well participated in. But
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Speaker 4: I think that was a very courageous step forward. So
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Speaker 4: I want to just congratulate you on your success so far,
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Speaker 4: and we look forward to to the days I had there.
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Speaker 4: Now I've been asked to serve as a ranking Democrat
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Speaker 4: on this task force to ensure that we remain focused
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Speaker 4: on transparent see and have a focus on the truth. Now,
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Speaker 4: the classification of historical documents and careful review of the
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Speaker 4: research can always provide us new and meaningful information to
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Speaker 4: the public on a variety of topics.
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Speaker 3: Now, for this hearing.
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Speaker 4: I do have some broad remarks about classification, but I
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Speaker 4: want to start where I think I'm really grounding us
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Speaker 4: in who President Kennedy was and some facts about the
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Speaker 4: president and his legacy. Now we know that President Kennedy's
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Speaker 4: assassination was a defining moment in our history and a
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Speaker 4: genuine trauma for millions of Americans and people across the world.
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Speaker 4: It has been, of course, an object of interest for decades.
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Speaker 3: It's also a very human tragedy.
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Speaker 4: President Kennedy was a son, a father, a brother, and
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Speaker 4: a husband, and we should never lose sight of his family,
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Speaker 4: and they're having to revisit this moment over and over again,
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Speaker 4: as of course, it's an important moment in American history,
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Speaker 4: and I also don't want to lose sight of President
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Speaker 4: Kennedy's legacy. Presid Kennedy stood proudly for American leadership. He
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Speaker 4: fought for all over the world in the face of
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Speaker 4: Russian threats. He told the free people of Europe that
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Speaker 4: he stood with them, and he told the world, of course,
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Speaker 4: over and over again, that America would stand for peace
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Speaker 4: and for justice. And I want to read a quote
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Speaker 4: that he said that he said that America would quote
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Speaker 4: pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support
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Speaker 4: any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and
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Speaker 4: the success of liberty.
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Speaker 3: End quote.
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Speaker 4: We know he founded the Peace Corps usaid and his
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Speaker 4: patience and restraint guide to the world through the Cuban
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Speaker 4: missile crisis, he reminded us that and I quote civility
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Speaker 4: is not a weakness, and sincerity is always subject to
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Speaker 4: proof end quote. Of course he broke barriers, barriers of
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Speaker 4: our nation's first Catholic president, and his an inaugural address,
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Speaker 4: he reminded us that we all have the power to
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Speaker 4: abolish poverty as a single important mission of the United
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Speaker 4: States and the world. He believed in service, He believed
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Speaker 4: in government, and that government could achieve big things. He also,
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Speaker 4: of course, fought for everyday things Americans cared about. He
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Speaker 4: fought for unions, He fought for federal workers to organize,
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Speaker 4: he increased them inimum wage, and he laid the groundwork
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Speaker 4: for the Civil Rights Act and called upon Americans to
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Speaker 4: address the moral crisis of racial injustice. President Kennedy was
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Speaker 4: actually the president that coined the phrase a rising tide
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Speaker 4: lifts all boats. It's a vision of the world, of course,
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Speaker 4: where we all work together to make the country a
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Speaker 4: better place for everyone. And I do not want to
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Speaker 4: lose sight of his legacy in today's hearing or any
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Speaker 4: future conversations about this, of course, horrific moment in American history.
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Speaker 4: His values are values that motivate us all to this
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Speaker 4: day now. I also share the Chairwoman's interests in transparency
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Speaker 4: and in transparency in a variety of topics. We've worked
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Speaker 4: together on various issues that relates to UAPs other declassification issues,
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Speaker 4: and we know that in the past the government has
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Speaker 4: overclassified documents, and we think that is a known fact
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Speaker 4: that we should.
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Speaker 3: All agree on.
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Speaker 4: This has been a bipartisan priority in discussion for decades now.
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Speaker 4: In the past we've had the House Select Committee, of course,
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Speaker 4: the JFK Records Act, and releases of records, including the
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Speaker 4: most recent, of course, tens of thousands of pages that
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Speaker 4: were recently released. We know that today our federal agencies
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Speaker 4: obviously have in the past obscured information and key facts
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Speaker 4: from the public for too long. Overclassification at the expense
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Speaker 4: of transparency is something we should all take seriously, but
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Speaker 4: also note that it's incredibly serious and a delicate subject.
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Speaker 3: Now, the CIA and the FBI, to.
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Speaker 4: Be clear, particularly from this period of time and history,
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Speaker 4: were deeply flawed institutions. And to be clear again, the
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Speaker 4: CIA and the FBI routinely overclassified documents in many instances,
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Speaker 4: not just on the subject of President Kennedy and the assassination,
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Speaker 4: but in multiple other subjects as well, and so I
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Speaker 4: think it's important that we understand that, particularly during this
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Speaker 4: period of time, there was an overclassification of documents on
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Speaker 4: a variety of subjects. So it's of course responsible that
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Speaker 4: we sake to facts that we don't speculate, but certainly
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Speaker 4: also allow new information to come into this hearing. And
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Speaker 4: for the public, it's important that we recognize that this
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Speaker 4: process and safeguards do exist for a reason. And I
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Speaker 4: hope our witnesses today will focus our testimony on information
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Speaker 4: which is grounded in facts, in truth, and they provide
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Speaker 4: this this task force with more information. I hope that
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Speaker 4: we have an informative and respectful hearing. And I yeeled back.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Chrue woman, Thank you Garcia, Thank you mister Garcia.
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Speaker 1: Our witnesses today are mister Oliver Stone. Mister Stone is
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Speaker 1: an Academy Award winning director and has directed more than
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Speaker 1: twenty feature films, including JFKA in nineteen ninety one.
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Speaker 2: Mister James D.
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Speaker 1: Jenyo Mister Dugenio is a researcher and expert on the
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Speaker 1: assassination of former President Kennedy. He's an accomplished author and
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Speaker 1: has written numerous books regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: Mister Jefferson Morley Mister Morley is a researcher and expert
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Speaker 1: on the assassination of former President Kennedy. He is currently
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Speaker 1: the editor of JFK FAX and Mister John Davidson Miss
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Speaker 1: Sir Davison is Senior counsel and Director of Litigation at
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Speaker 1: the Electronic Privacy Information Center, where he does a number
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Speaker 1: of issues pertaining to where he works on a number
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Speaker 1: of issues pertaining to data privacy and protection person to
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Speaker 1: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
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Speaker 2: Rule nine G.
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Speaker 1: The witnesses will please stand and raise the right hand.
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Speaker 1: Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony that
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Speaker 1: you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth,
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Speaker 1: and nothing but the truth. To help you, God, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Let the record show that the witness answered in the
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Speaker 1: affirmative Task Force certainly appreciates you for being here today
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Speaker 1: and we look forward to your testimony. Let me remind
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Speaker 1: the witnesses that we have read your written statements and
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Speaker 1: they will appear in full in the hearing record. Please
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Speaker 1: limit your oral statements to six minutes. As a reminder,
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Speaker 1: please press the button on the microphone in front of
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Speaker 1: you so that it is on and the members can
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Speaker 1: hear you. When you begin to speak, the light in
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Speaker 1: front of you will turn green. After five minutes, light
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Speaker 1: will turn yellow, and after six minutes you'll get gabbled.
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Speaker 1: I now recognize mister Morley to give an opening statement.
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Speaker 5: Thank you to all the Task Force of the House
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Speaker 5: Task Force on Declassification. It's an honor to testify before you.
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Speaker 5: It's a solemn responsibility to report on the disturbing new
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Speaker 5: revelations that have emerged from the newest JFK files. And
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Speaker 5: it is a grave matter to assert that CIA officers
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Speaker 5: were culpable or complicit in the death of a president.
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Speaker 5: So I want fact checkers to have all the evidence
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Speaker 5: that I'm used to support my testimony. Today, I speak
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Speaker 5: with the benefit of three decades of reporting on the
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Speaker 5: JFK story. My first article on the role of the
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Speaker 5: CIA and the events that led to the assassination was
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Speaker 5: published in The Washington Post thirty years ago this week.
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Speaker 5: As I pursued this story, I practiced the tried and
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Speaker 5: true techniques that I learned at the Post knock on doors,
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Speaker 5: get two sources, follow the money, start with the cover up,
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Speaker 5: and proceed to the crime, and always ask the question
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Speaker 5: what did they know and when did they know it.
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Speaker 5: I did not start with a conspiracy theory, and I
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Speaker 5: did not go looking for a smoking gun. I started
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Speaker 5: with an open mind and looked for a fact pattern.
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Speaker 3: As I interviewed and.
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Speaker 5: Reported and researched on this story and the role of
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Speaker 5: the CIA, I consistently avoided judgment on who was responsible,
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Speaker 5: individually or institutionally. My research and reporting simply didn't give
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Speaker 5: me a clear answer to the question who killed JFK.
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Speaker 5: What was clear over time is a new fact pattern.
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Speaker 5: In the spring of twenty twenty three, the CIA fully
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Speaker 5: declassified for the first time its pre assassination file on
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Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin who denied killing the
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Speaker 5: president and was killed himself in police custody before he
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Speaker 5: could defend himself. I have a copy here of the
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Speaker 5: CIA's pre assassination file on Lee Harvey Oswald, and I'm
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Speaker 5: submitting it for the record. The declassified Oswald file runs
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Speaker 5: to and fact checkers can confirm this one hundred and
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Speaker 5: ninety eight pages in the fall of nineteen sixty three.
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Speaker 5: In November of nineteen sixty three, this file was held
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Speaker 5: in the office of James Angleton, counterintelligence chief, at CIA
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Speaker 5: headquarters in Langley, Virginia, not five miles from the White House,
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Speaker 5: where President Kennedy lived and worked. To be sure the
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Speaker 5: declassified Oswald file is not a smoking gun, I showed
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Speaker 5: it to journalists whose judgment I trust, and they shrugged.
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Speaker 5: They said, this is evidence of incompetence CYA.
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Speaker 3: They said, cover your ass.
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Speaker 5: I didn't quite believe that, but I couldn't prove them
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Speaker 5: wrong until March eighteenth. That was the day that the
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Speaker 5: National Archives began posting long secret JFK assassination records that
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Speaker 5: had been withheld from the public view for decades.
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Speaker 3: I started by.
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Speaker 5: Looking at nine declassified documents about mister Angleton.
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Speaker 3: He was the man who compiled the Oswald file.
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Speaker 5: And when I came to a long secret transcript of
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Speaker 5: Angleton's testimony, to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in
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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy eight. My reservations about passing judgment on the
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Speaker 5: responsibility vanished. New truly declassified passage showed that Angleton had
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Speaker 5: lied under oath about his surveillance of Oswald's correspondence while
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Speaker 5: he lived in the Soviet Union from nineteen fifty nine
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Speaker 5: to nineteen sixty two, and that for me was a
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Speaker 5: tipping point. The transcript, which the CIA withheld from public
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Speaker 5: view for half a century, confirmed a disturbing fact. James
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Speaker 5: Angleton is the third senior CIA officer known to have
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Speaker 5: lied under oath about what they knew about the alleged
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Speaker 5: assassin Oswald before JFK was killed. The first was Deputy
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Speaker 5: Director Richard Helms. He lied to the Warren Commission in
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Speaker 5: May nineteen sixty four when he said, under oath the
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Speaker 5: CIA had only quote minimal information about Oswald before JFK
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Speaker 5: was killed. One hundred and ninety eight pages of information
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Speaker 5: cannot be truthfully described as minimal. The second CIA officer
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Speaker 5: who lied was George Joannedes, chief of the Covert Action
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Speaker 5: branch of the Miami Station. In nineteen sixty three, his
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Speaker 5: agents in the top secret AMSPELL program generated propaganda about
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Speaker 5: Oswald's pro castro activities both before and after the president
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Speaker 5: was killed. Fifteen years later, in nineteen seventy eight, the
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Speaker 5: CIA inserted Joannedes into the House JFK investigation, and he
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Speaker 5: blocked any investigation of contacts between Oswald and his AMSPELL agents.
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Speaker 5: Obstructing Congress cannot be considered evidence of incompetence.
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Speaker 3: And this is what I believe.
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Speaker 5: In summary, one false statement might be incompetence, a second
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Speaker 5: false statement might be cya for the first false statement.
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Speaker 5: But three false statements by top CIA officers about Kennedy's
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Speaker 5: accused killer, that is a pattern. It's a pattern of misconduct.
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Speaker 5: It's a pattern of malfeasance. If three police officers lie
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Speaker 5: about their knowledge of a homicide defendant, that cannot be
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Speaker 5: considered exculpatory evidence. To the contrary, it shows guilty knowledge
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Speaker 5: and criminal culpability. It is, in a word, incriminating. The
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Speaker 5: new fact pattern leads to a new conclusion. We know
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Speaker 5: now what they knew about Oswald and when they knew it.
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Speaker 5: We know now that Richard Helms, James Angleton, and George
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Speaker 5: Joannedes were responsible for or complicit in the death of
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Speaker 5: the president, either by criminal negligence or covert action. My
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Speaker 5: recommendations to the task Force are one, secure and release
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Speaker 5: the personnel file of George Joannedes, and two ask the
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Speaker 5: CIA to provide a public statement answering the question why
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Speaker 5: did these three men lie to JFKA investigators. The answers
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Speaker 5: will help fulfill the task force goal, the President's goal,
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Speaker 5: and the people's goal of full and complete JFK disclosure.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, I now recognize mister Stone for an opening statement.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Chairman, Luna, chairwoman.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a pleasure to be here. You know, I
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Speaker 7: was here thirty three years ago. I was sat in
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Speaker 7: one of these rooms in Washington, and I told the
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Speaker 7: congress men and women about this movie I just made JFK.
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Speaker 7: And half of them were wondering what all the fuss
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Speaker 7: was about.
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Speaker 6: It was just a movie.
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Speaker 7: And the other half we're passionate in responding to the
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Speaker 7: cries of their constituents that demanded no more national security
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Speaker 7: reasons preventing this from getting to clarity on our president's assassination.
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Speaker 7: The Warren Commission of nineteen sixty four, as it turned out,
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Speaker 7: got us to second base with a lot of unknowns
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Speaker 7: and what was that obfuscations, and it all got crazier
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Speaker 7: and crazier sides taken on this and on that, and
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Speaker 7: what happened that awful day wasn't clear as to who
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Speaker 7: the heck did this? Killed the president a high noon
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Speaker 7: in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, and November twenty two, and
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Speaker 7: then year by grudging year we learned increments a little,
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Speaker 7: but not much more often one step forward and two
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Speaker 7: steps back. And now it's twenty twenty five, fifty eight
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Speaker 7: years since Jack Kennedy was killed in sixty three, repeat
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Speaker 7: almost sixty years, that's about two generations, let's say, from
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Speaker 7: nineteen hundred to nineteen sixty. As a result of the
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Speaker 7: nineteen ninety two hearings that resulted from my film in
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Speaker 7: which I participated, Congress passed the JFK Records Acted, which
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Speaker 7: firmly said, which firmly said, all the records out unless
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Speaker 7: you have a strong reason to protest our national security,
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Speaker 7: all the reasons, all the records out, which is exactly
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Speaker 7: what this case was.
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Speaker 6: A national security matter. Resident was killed. What is more.
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Speaker 7: Important than that, Well, the Assassination Records Review Board really
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Speaker 7: tried for about for a few years till nineteen ninety
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Speaker 7: eight to get those records out, but they didn't get
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Speaker 7: any cooperation although mandated by law from the Central Intelligence Agency,
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Speaker 7: which operated and still operates as a taxpayer funded intelligence
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Speaker 7: agency that arrogantly considers itself outside our laws. They say
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Speaker 7: things like we will get back to you on that,
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Speaker 7: and they never do, or they give me a day
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Speaker 7: and I'll come up with a reason why this matter
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Speaker 7: is a national security matter, etc.
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Speaker 6: Etc.
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Speaker 7: Nothing of importance has been revealed by the CIA in
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Speaker 7: all these years, although we know from other records that
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Speaker 7: there's a illegal criminal activities in every facet of our
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Speaker 7: foreign policy in practically every country on Earth, just to
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Speaker 7: begin Cuba, Vietnam, Indonesia, Egypt, South America, the Middle East.
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Speaker 6: We could write a whole.
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Speaker 7: Separate history of our country from the viewpoint of the countries.
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Speaker 7: Yet we do not know and are not allowed to know,
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Speaker 7: anything about the CIA's true history of the United States,
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Speaker 7: which is almost I believe, the real story.
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Speaker 6: There are many people, some in.
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Speaker 7: This room today who do care and remember the details
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Speaker 7: and the clues. There are real people alive with the
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Speaker 7: integrity of a true detective like that of the fictional
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Speaker 7: detective Sherlock Holmes, willing year by year to track this cold,
23:19
Speaker 7: cold case, to not so much prove it or debunk it,
23:25
Speaker 7: but essentially to know if this so called democracy of
23:33
Speaker 7: ours has a foundation or a future, a meaning or
23:39
Speaker 7: a purpose for our country to mean something more.
23:43
Speaker 6: Than its wealth or its military might to.
23:47
Speaker 7: The people here and all over the world who loved
23:51
Speaker 7: President John Kennedy, who know he really wanted peace in
23:56
Speaker 7: our time, And by that he said clearly in one
24:01
Speaker 7: of his greatest speeches, not a Pax Americana enforced by
24:08
Speaker 7: American weapons of war, but a genuine piece, a piece
24:14
Speaker 7: he described so beautifully that we could all share in
24:17
Speaker 7: because we all live on this planet, we all breathe
24:21
Speaker 7: the same air, we all cherish our children's futures, and
24:26
Speaker 7: we are all mortal. Can we return to a world
24:32
Speaker 7: where we can trust our government to level with us.
24:37
Speaker 6: The people for which this government exists. And if some
24:42
Speaker 6: people in.
24:44
Speaker 7: Power betrayed our constitution and chose the path of war
24:49
Speaker 7: over peace, let them Let the rest of us see
24:54
Speaker 7: past the lies and let us hear what we think happened.
25:01
Speaker 7: And with that knowledge, let us forgive, but not forget,
25:07
Speaker 7: the transgressions and let us praise the representatives, the Democrat
25:13
Speaker 7: and Republican, who believe, with the vast majority of the
25:18
Speaker 7: American people, that the truth is the greatest treasure a
25:23
Speaker 7: socratic soul can attain in this lifetime. I asked the
25:28
Speaker 7: committee to reopen what the Warrant Commission failed miserably to complete.
25:37
Speaker 7: I ask you, in good faith, outside all political considerations,
25:42
Speaker 7: to reinvestigate the assassination of this President Kennedy, from the
25:47
Speaker 7: scene of the crime to the courtroom, which means which
25:51
Speaker 7: ever happened, but which means the chain of custody on
25:56
Speaker 7: the rifle, the bullets, the finger prince, the autopsy that
26:04
Speaker 7: defies belief, and then and that if it were a murder,
26:08
Speaker 7: we'd have given to the poorest man dying in a gutter.
26:16
Speaker 7: Let us reinvestigate the fingerprints of intelligence all over Lee
26:20
Speaker 7: Harvey Oswald from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty He's
26:24
Speaker 7: violent death in nineteen sixty three, and most importantly, this CIA,
26:30
Speaker 7: whose muddy footprints are all over this case.
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Speaker 6: A true interrogation.
26:42
Speaker 7: James Angleton, before he died, who was one of the
26:48
Speaker 7: original members of the CIA, was talking about dulles and
26:54
Speaker 7: helms and the others what he called the grand Masters,
26:59
Speaker 7: and he's a Catholic. Angleton was a Catholic in search
27:01
Speaker 7: perhaps of repentance. Before his death, he did say, quote,
27:06
Speaker 7: if you were in a room with the with them,
27:10
Speaker 7: you are in a room full of people that you
27:13
Speaker 7: had to believe would deservedly end up in hell. I
27:18
Speaker 7: guess I will see them soon. This is our democracy,
27:25
Speaker 7: this is our presidency. It belongs to us. Treat us
27:31
Speaker 7: with respect.
27:33
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, mister Son. I now recognize mister
27:39
Speaker 1: Diugenio for an opening statement.
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Speaker 8: Thank you, and thanks for having this hearing. I think
27:46
Speaker 8: it's an important subject and I spent about.
27:49
Speaker 9: Two years on sir.
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Speaker 2: Please turn on your microphone.
27:53
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, sir, a red BUTTONKA.
27:59
Speaker 9: Why are we here?
28:00
Speaker 8: Why are we dealing with this subject that occurred over
28:03
Speaker 8: sixty years ago. Well, the JFK cases one that simply
28:08
Speaker 8: will not go away, no matter how much the MSM
28:11
Speaker 8: tries to minimize it or make it disappear. Sixty five
28:15
Speaker 8: percent of the public does not buy the warre commission
28:17
Speaker 8: burder of Oswald as a lone assassin.
28:21
Speaker 9: But even more startling, and this is very important.
28:25
Speaker 8: I think it speaks to the point that mister Garcia
28:27
Speaker 8: was talking about over ninety percent of the public believes
28:33
Speaker 8: that something monumental happened after the Kennedy assassination, that the
28:38
Speaker 8: United States went from a country that was bathed in
28:42
Speaker 8: triumphant optimism after World War Two to one that was
28:47
Speaker 8: now covered with cynicism and skepticism.
28:50
Speaker 9: All right, so as you can.
28:52
Speaker 8: See me, Oliver and Jeff are not alone in those feelings.
28:58
Speaker 9: Right now.
29:01
Speaker 8: What's the immediate reason why we're here today is well,
29:06
Speaker 8: according to a congressional statute, we should not be here.
29:10
Speaker 8: And I'm sure you're aware of this, because the JFK
29:12
Speaker 8: Records Collection Act said that in October of twenty seventeen,
29:17
Speaker 8: everything on the Kennedy case should be declassified, no matter what.
29:25
Speaker 8: And President Trump actually talked about this about a week
29:28
Speaker 8: and a half before it was supposed to be done,
29:32
Speaker 8: and he said he was looking forward to doing this.
29:37
Speaker 8: And by the way, if you know this statute, he
29:40
Speaker 8: was the only one who could stop it from happening.
29:44
Speaker 8: So on a day this was supposed to occur, he
29:47
Speaker 8: was visited by some higher ups in the Intel community,
29:51
Speaker 8: and under there I believe unwise advice, he reversed what
29:56
Speaker 8: he had said he did declassify some DONC documents, but
30:01
Speaker 8: not all. But before anybody jumps on me, I don't
30:04
Speaker 8: want to say that this is a part is an issue,
30:07
Speaker 8: because President Biden was pretty much the same thing, all right,
30:13
Speaker 8: and some would say, like my friend Andrew Eiler here,
30:16
Speaker 8: that he might have been even worse on this subject. Now,
30:21
Speaker 8: during the last presidential campaign, candidate Trump was reminded.
30:27
Speaker 9: Of this reversal.
30:28
Speaker 8: It was not by the MSM, of course, it was
30:31
Speaker 8: by two independent broadcasters, Joe Rogan and Andrew Napolitano. And
30:37
Speaker 8: I think this was the impetus for him to sign
30:41
Speaker 8: the executive order, which he did, and to his credit,
30:45
Speaker 8: he added the much ignored King case and the RFK case.
30:50
Speaker 8: Now this committee has decided to back that executive order up,
30:54
Speaker 8: which I think is salutary. So hopefully we will now
30:58
Speaker 8: see the final documents on the JFK released over sixty
31:02
Speaker 8: years after his assassination, and hopefully the beginning of an
31:06
Speaker 8: excavation on the RFK and the MLK cases. It's a cliche,
31:13
Speaker 8: but it's true. Secrecy is the enemy of democracy, it's
31:18
Speaker 8: the enemy of the republican form of government, and misinformed
31:25
Speaker 8: or uninformed public cannot make good decisions, and a compliant
31:30
Speaker 8: press helps cushion the public from that fact. And this
31:35
Speaker 8: process leads to a loss of belief in both the
31:39
Speaker 8: government and the media. And you can examine every poll
31:42
Speaker 8: out there, okay, and they'll tell you that when President
31:45
Speaker 8: Kennedy took office, seventy five percent of the public believed
31:49
Speaker 8: in what the government was saying. By the nineties, it
31:53
Speaker 8: was down to nineteen percent.
31:55
Speaker 3: All Right.
31:56
Speaker 8: The biggest, the biggest year drop was the year the
32:00
Speaker 8: Warren Commission was issued.
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Speaker 9: All right.
32:05
Speaker 8: Now, from the beginning, the f behind the CIA, as
32:09
Speaker 8: these two gentlemen have mentioned, have refused to divulge all
32:12
Speaker 8: the information they have had about the murder of President Kennedy.
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Speaker 9: And I want to.
32:19
Speaker 8: A popular example, which I'm sure everybody here is familiar with.
32:23
Speaker 8: I'm sure you're all familiar because it actually made it
32:26
Speaker 8: in the d MSM about the Schleschinger memo. This was
32:30
Speaker 8: the memo written by Arthur Schleschinger, a JFK's request to
32:35
Speaker 8: do a top down reorganization of the CIA because he
32:39
Speaker 8: believed that he was deceived and lied to about the
32:42
Speaker 8: Bay of Pigs invasion. All Right, now, I'm sure you
32:46
Speaker 8: also know that that was censored. About two of the
32:51
Speaker 8: most important pages were censored by the CIA.
32:56
Speaker 9: Okay.
32:57
Speaker 8: These dealt with a very important sub which is the
33:01
Speaker 8: control of the State Department by the Central Intelligence Agency.
33:05
Speaker 8: That many of these State Department employees overseas are not
33:08
Speaker 8: really State Department employees, they are really CIA guys undercover.
33:14
Speaker 8: And Schleschinger cited the Paris Office, all right, which is
33:18
Speaker 8: very important because these guys are trying to overthrow the
33:22
Speaker 8: gall at the time. And JFK gets on the phone
33:24
Speaker 8: with the ambassador and says, look, I don't know what
33:27
Speaker 8: these guys are doing half the time. Okay, so I
33:30
Speaker 8: don't even know if we're involved with this covertly or not,
33:33
Speaker 8: all right, And he was trying and Schleschinger's memo was
33:35
Speaker 8: trying to get control of that.
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Speaker 9: Now, my friend Andrew.
33:39
Speaker 8: Gave me it's bad enough that the two pages were cut,
33:44
Speaker 8: but the CIA version of the Schleschinger memo, and you
33:48
Speaker 8: should all know this, the CIA version of the Schleschinger
33:51
Speaker 8: memo cut it by sixty percent, all right.
33:56
Speaker 9: And of the.
33:57
Speaker 8: Remaining pages, about forty percent of those pages were totally redacted.
34:02
Speaker 8: And this is what I mean, how can you be
34:05
Speaker 8: an informed person when you don't even know this stuff?
34:08
Speaker 9: You know, when you have a first gatekeeper in.
34:10
Speaker 8: This case, is that your intelligence agency keeping you from
34:13
Speaker 8: the wishes of what JFK and Archerschlessinger were trying to do?
34:17
Speaker 9: All right?
34:19
Speaker 8: All right, now, any attorney, which I'm sure we have
34:26
Speaker 8: some here, and any investigator will tell you that you
34:30
Speaker 8: cannot conduct a full investigation unless you have the whole
34:34
Speaker 8: case file. Well, here we are in twenty twenty five,
34:38
Speaker 8: still looking for the end of that case file, you know,
34:41
Speaker 8: on the JFK case. Now, let me relate in closing
34:45
Speaker 8: two episodes from the last attempt of getting all these
34:51
Speaker 8: documents out there, the which I'm sure you're familiar with,
34:54
Speaker 8: the AR and B, the Assassination Records and Review Board,
34:58
Speaker 8: which my friend here said, I said, from nineteen ninety
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Speaker 8: four to nineteen ninety eight, when the board had this
35:06
Speaker 8: first meeting with the CIA, they flashed a memo on
35:11
Speaker 8: the wall and they said, we're going to declassify this
35:15
Speaker 8: unless you have a humdinger of an excuse, all right,
35:19
Speaker 8: And the CI Lison said, well, I don't have anything,
35:24
Speaker 8: right now, give me a couple of minutes and I'll
35:26
Speaker 8: think of something. This is what these guys have gotten
35:29
Speaker 8: away with. This is what they're used to now. When
35:33
Speaker 8: the FBI came in for their first meeting, the review
35:37
Speaker 8: board did the same thing. You know, unless you give
35:40
Speaker 8: us a great excuse, we're going to declassify this document.
35:44
Speaker 8: The CI liison came in with this excuse me. The
35:46
Speaker 8: FBI lison came in with the lawyer. The FBI lieson
35:51
Speaker 8: was so shocked. He turned to the lawyer and said,
35:54
Speaker 8: can they really do that? The lawyer said yes, they can't.
35:59
Speaker 9: All right.
36:00
Speaker 8: So this is the kind of arrogance that you're going
36:02
Speaker 8: to be dealing with, all right. So I really hope
36:09
Speaker 8: that people will learn from the past, learn from these experiences.
36:14
Speaker 8: You've got a difficult roative ahead of yourselves, and I
36:17
Speaker 8: congratulate you on trying to change things. The FBI and
36:21
Speaker 8: the CIA should not have the last award on JFK's murder.
36:25
Speaker 9: You should.
36:28
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
36:28
Speaker 1: I'd like to now recognize mister Davison for an opening statement.
36:34
Speaker 10: Cher excuse me, Chairwoman Luna, ranking Member Garcia, and members
36:38
Speaker 10: of the task force, thank you for the opportunity to
36:40
Speaker 10: testify today about the privacy transparency and accountability issues raised
36:45
Speaker 10: by the recent release of documents from the President Kennedy
36:47
Speaker 10: assassination records Collection. My name is John Davison. I am
36:51
Speaker 10: the Director of Litigation and Senior Counsel at the Electronic
36:54
Speaker 10: Privacy Information Center or EPIC. EPIC is an independent, nonprofit
36:58
Speaker 10: research organization establish to nineteen ninety four to protect privacy,
37:02
Speaker 10: freedom of expression, and democratic values in the information age.
37:06
Speaker 10: As this task force knows well, the assassination of President
37:09
Speaker 10: Kennedy was an event of surpassing historical and political significance,
37:13
Speaker 10: one that has engendered more than sixty years of investigation, analysis,
37:17
Speaker 10: and debate. Today's hearing highlights the critical role that open
37:21
Speaker 10: government laws and in particular, the JFK Records Act, have
37:24
Speaker 10: played in informing that discourse. As the Supreme Court has written,
37:28
Speaker 10: open government laws are one of the key mechanisms for
37:31
Speaker 10: holding the governors accountable to the governed. With that in mind,
37:35
Speaker 10: Congress has rightly established a robust array of public disclosure
37:38
Speaker 10: requirements for federal entities, including the Freedom of Information Act,
37:42
Speaker 10: the Federal Advisory Committee Act, and the JFK Records Act.
37:46
Speaker 10: Having spent decades to secure the transparency of government Records
37:51
Speaker 10: Epic firmly supports the objectives of the JFK Records Act
37:54
Speaker 10: and the fulfillment of its disclosure mandate, but given that
37:58
Speaker 10: many federal records contain and sensitive personal information, Congress has
38:02
Speaker 10: also made it clear that government transparency must be balanced
38:05
Speaker 10: with the protection of privacy. Disclosing personal information is inherently
38:09
Speaker 10: invasive and can expose individuals to a broad spectrum of
38:12
Speaker 10: secondary harms, including identity theft, fraud, reputational harm, psychological harm, stalking, harassment, doxing,
38:21
Speaker 10: and vigilanteism. Accordingly, the FOYER, the FACA, and the JFK
38:25
Speaker 10: Records Act all established that the disclosure of records is
38:28
Speaker 10: not required to the extent that such dissemination would constitute
38:32
Speaker 10: an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. Together with the Privacy Act,
38:36
Speaker 10: these provisions ensure in principle that the federal government only
38:40
Speaker 10: disseminates personal information to the extent that the public interest
38:43
Speaker 10: and disclosure outweighs the privacy interest of the individual.
38:46
Speaker 11: To whom the information pertains.
38:48
Speaker 10: To fulfill this dual mandate of transparency and privacy protection,
38:52
Speaker 10: federal agencies consistently conduct a detailed review of documents prior
38:56
Speaker 10: to release, redacting personal information, or sometimes of holding record
39:00
Speaker 10: in full where disclosure would cause unwarranted privacy harm. For example,
39:04
Speaker 10: when processing Foyer requests, the National Archives is ordinarily careful
39:08
Speaker 10: to withhold records about a living individual that, if released,
39:11
Speaker 10: would cause a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. In
39:15
Speaker 10: the past, NARRA has also conducted extensive reviews of document
39:18
Speaker 10: subject to the JFK Records Act to identify and request
39:21
Speaker 10: the withholding of any social Security numbers or financial information
39:25
Speaker 10: of living persons. By all appearances, these procedures and safeguards
39:29
Speaker 10: were completely bypassed in last month's hurried release of sixty
39:32
Speaker 10: thousand pages from the JFK Records Collection, which led to
39:36
Speaker 10: the public disclosure of social security numbers and other private
39:39
Speaker 10: information of more than four hundred former congressional staffers and
39:42
Speaker 10: other former officials, some of them still living. The shocking
39:47
Speaker 10: violation of privacy has compounded a national trauma and distracted
39:51
Speaker 10: from Congress's stated goal of informing the public through the
39:54
Speaker 10: JFK Records Act. Security experts as well as those directly
39:58
Speaker 10: harmed by the breach, have deemed it out rage ageous, sloppy, unprofessional, astonishing, foolish, incompetent, egregious,
40:06
Speaker 10: almost criminal, and a breach of a first grade elementary
40:09
Speaker 10: level rule of security.
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Speaker 9: NARA has reportedly.
40:13
Speaker 10: Begun to reach out to individuals affected by the breach,
40:15
Speaker 10: and the White House has promised free credit monitoring services
40:18
Speaker 10: and new social security numbers to those affected, but these
40:21
Speaker 10: steps are too little, too late. The bell can't be unwrung.
40:25
Speaker 10: There are several lessons to draw from this episode. First,
40:29
Speaker 10: Congresses mandated that agencies take steps to prevent unwarranted invasions
40:32
Speaker 10: of privacy resulting from records disclosures for good reason. This
40:37
Speaker 10: incident illustrates why those procedures must be followed even when
40:40
Speaker 10: logistically or politically inconvenient. Congress should explore updates to the FOYA,
40:44
Speaker 10: the Privacy Act, and other federal record statutes to ensure
40:47
Speaker 10: that such procedures are both readily enforceable and followed without exception. Second,
40:53
Speaker 10: while prompt disclosure of public records is essential, fire drills
40:56
Speaker 10: that make it impossible to ensure the redaction of sensitive
40:59
Speaker 10: personal information are a threat to privacy and.
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Speaker 6: To the public.
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Speaker 10: Although it is difficult to see how any agency could
41:05
Speaker 10: have completed an ongoing review of sixty thousand pages within
41:08
Speaker 10: the twenty four hours abruptly allotted. This incident serves as
41:11
Speaker 10: a reminder of the need to adequately fund public records
41:14
Speaker 10: offices throughout the federal government to ensure that they can
41:17
Speaker 10: carry out their weighty and growing responsibilities in a timely fashion. Third,
41:23
Speaker 10: this breach, while deeply serious, is a drop in the
41:25
Speaker 10: bucket compared to the wrongful disclosure of personal information now
41:28
Speaker 10: occurring within and between federal agencies. Failing to reign in
41:32
Speaker 10: the ongoing government wide misuse of systems of records by
41:36
Speaker 10: largely unaccountable actors risks far more dangerous consequences. Thank you
41:40
Speaker 10: for the opportunity to testify today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. I now recognize myself for some questions.
41:52
Speaker 1: Mister Morley, why do you say that the Oswald file
41:55
Speaker 1: was sitting on the desk of James Angleton a week
41:58
Speaker 1: before the assassination?
41:59
Speaker 2: Can you really with that?
42:01
Speaker 12: Oh?
42:01
Speaker 3: Yes, I can.
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Speaker 5: In the Oswald file on page two hundred and fifty
42:06
Speaker 5: four and on page two hundred and seventy five, you'll
42:09
Speaker 5: see a routing slip on two FBI reports about Oswald
42:13
Speaker 5: and on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty three, and November fourteenth,
42:17
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three.
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Speaker 3: You'll see the.
42:19
Speaker 5: Initials JAAR on the routing slip that stands for Jane
42:24
Speaker 5: Atherton Roman. She was the liaison officer for mister Angleton,
42:29
Speaker 5: so when she signed for those two FBI reports, we
42:32
Speaker 5: have proof positive that they were on mister Engleton's desk.
42:36
Speaker 1: Are you saying that the three men Angleton, Helms and
42:39
Speaker 1: Joan Eidis plotted to kill the president?
42:42
Speaker 3: No, I am not saying that.
42:43
Speaker 5: I'm saying that they were engaged in covert activities related
42:46
Speaker 5: to Lee Harvey Oswald that have never been disclosed, and
42:50
Speaker 5: that's the imperative for the task force to obtain those
42:53
Speaker 5: records of that secret operation real quick.
42:56
Speaker 1: I'd like to enter into the record a document that
42:59
Speaker 1: was actually one of these declassified documents of the CIA
43:01
Speaker 1: rejecting the lone gunman theory with that objection, So ordered
43:07
Speaker 1: mister Morley. Who was George joann Edes? And why do
43:10
Speaker 1: you emphasize the importance of getting this file?
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Speaker 5: George Johannedes was a career CIA officer. In nineteen sixty three,
43:19
Speaker 5: he was chief of the Covert Action branch of the
43:21
Speaker 5: Miami Station. His agents had contact with Oswald before the assassination.
43:28
Speaker 5: His agents in the top secret program MSPELL generated propaganda
43:32
Speaker 5: about Oswald's procast activities both before and after the assassination.
43:39
Speaker 5: When mister Joannedes was questioned by Congressional investigators here on
43:43
Speaker 5: Capitol Hill in nineteen seventy eight, he was asked who
43:46
Speaker 5: was running these Cuban students who had all this contact
43:49
Speaker 5: with Oswald. The investigators had no idea that they were
43:53
Speaker 5: looking at the answer to their question, and mister Joannedes,
43:57
Speaker 5: who had been running that Cuban student group, told congressional investigators,
44:02
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'll get back to you. That was
44:05
Speaker 5: obstruction of Congress. That was an obstruction of an investigation
44:09
Speaker 5: of the president's assassination. His records have never been fully
44:13
Speaker 5: released by the Central Intelligence Agency, and they obviously should be.
44:17
Speaker 1: Mister Morley, you actually had written an article specifically addressing
44:23
Speaker 1: a whistleblower that had reports at the CIA potentially showing
44:29
Speaker 1: information that Oswald was in Mexico City.
44:30
Speaker 2: Can you speak more to that.
44:33
Speaker 5: I was approached a few years ago by a man
44:34
Speaker 5: who had worked inside the CIA and had a very
44:37
Speaker 5: high security clearance, and in twenty eighteen he came to
44:41
Speaker 5: me and said he was concerned that there was a
44:42
Speaker 5: JFK assassination document that.
44:44
Speaker 3: He had read while he was working.
44:46
Speaker 5: At the CIA, and he was afraid that it would
44:49
Speaker 5: never become public. The man was taken considerable legal risk
44:53
Speaker 5: by talking to me. He was talking about classified or
44:56
Speaker 5: potentially classified information. So I published his story last year
45:02
Speaker 5: without his name, which is not something that I usually do.
45:04
Speaker 5: I don't like stories with anonymous sources, but I felt
45:07
Speaker 5: that it was important to get out, and he felt
45:09
Speaker 5: it was important too.
45:11
Speaker 3: I have spoken with him and.
45:12
Speaker 5: He says he is willing to come public and tell
45:15
Speaker 5: his name under his own story, with assurances that he
45:18
Speaker 5: will not face legal retaliation. I hope that's something that
45:21
Speaker 5: can be arranged in the near future.
45:24
Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Stone.
45:26
Speaker 1: If you could for a moment you had mentioned earlier
45:29
Speaker 1: about some anomalies in the autopsy, would you be able
45:32
Speaker 1: to speak to that. I have about a minute in
45:34
Speaker 1: nineteen left.
45:37
Speaker 7: One of the things that we did in our documentary
45:42
Speaker 7: JFK Revisited in twenty twenty one would show as much
45:46
Speaker 7: as we could about the autopsy, including the fact that
45:50
Speaker 7: there are living forty people still alive as far as
45:54
Speaker 7: I know, who witnessed at Parkland to Bethesda, a large
46:02
Speaker 7: gaping wound in the back of President Kennedy's right head,
46:08
Speaker 7: indicating a shot from the front that blew out the
46:12
Speaker 7: rear of his and they all point if you look
46:16
Speaker 7: at there's a picture, they all point to the same
46:18
Speaker 7: place on camera.
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Speaker 6: Right here in the back of his head. That's one
46:24
Speaker 6: very disturbing point.
46:26
Speaker 7: Additionally, there is a lot of inconsistencies in what was
46:30
Speaker 7: seen and done, the tracking of the bullet, the concept
46:37
Speaker 7: of a magic bullet, which deserves a lot of your
46:41
Speaker 7: deserves your re examination. And I think Jim is more
46:48
Speaker 7: expert in this than I. If I can point to him,
46:50
Speaker 7: he's my researcher.
46:52
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I'm sure that will be in the
46:54
Speaker 1: next line of question. I'd like to now recognize mister
46:56
Speaker 1: Garcia for five minutes.
46:58
Speaker 4: Thank you, madam, sure into our witnesses for all of
47:01
Speaker 4: your testimony. Just want to run through a few a
47:04
Speaker 4: few questions. It might bring some clarity on some of
47:06
Speaker 4: the opening statements. And I do want to just recognize
47:10
Speaker 4: also and restate the concerns that we should all have
47:14
Speaker 4: about over classification over the last few decades, especially when it.
47:18
Speaker 3: Came to the to the CIA and the FBI.
47:21
Speaker 4: Mister Morley, I just I know you didn't say this
47:24
Speaker 4: explicitly in your testimony.
47:25
Speaker 3: I just want to clarify. I think it's good for
47:26
Speaker 3: the record.
47:27
Speaker 4: Now we know that your research, of course, is very
47:29
Speaker 4: focused on what the US government knew about Lee Harvey Oswald.
47:32
Speaker 3: I think that's you made that also very clear.
47:35
Speaker 4: You believe Lee Harvey Oswald fired the shots who killed
47:37
Speaker 4: President Kennedy?
47:39
Speaker 3: Is that correct, sir? He was responsible a microphone?
47:45
Speaker 5: H No, I don't believe that President Lee Harvey Oswald
47:48
Speaker 5: shot President Kennedy. I don't think the evidence supports them.
47:50
Speaker 3: You don't think the evidence supports he fired the shots.
47:52
Speaker 5: That's might he might have fired a gun. He was
47:54
Speaker 5: not the intellectual author of the president's death.
47:56
Speaker 9: Okay.
47:56
Speaker 4: Now, I wanted to clarify because I think the firing
47:59
Speaker 4: of the shot. Just wanted to Claire for that. You
48:01
Speaker 4: do believe that he fired the shots?
48:02
Speaker 3: No, I don't. That's not that has not been determined
48:05
Speaker 3: by the evidence. Okay, Well, I want to just get
48:07
Speaker 3: you to Claire for that.
48:08
Speaker 9: Now.
48:08
Speaker 4: I want to also just just say a few points.
48:11
Speaker 4: Are you mister Mortle youev said that the CIA was
48:13
Speaker 4: not forthcoming with Congress and past investigations, correct sir, Yes, okay,
48:19
Speaker 4: I know you.
48:19
Speaker 3: Have said that.
48:20
Speaker 4: You you also you have said that this that that
48:24
Speaker 4: CIA counterintelligence was also either new information or could have
48:27
Speaker 4: been responsible in some sort of broader plot.
48:31
Speaker 3: Is that correct, sir?
48:31
Speaker 6: Correct?
48:32
Speaker 4: Okay, but you have said, I think, just to correct
48:36
Speaker 4: what you said, you have said though, that there is
48:38
Speaker 4: no direct evidence as of today that the CI committed
48:41
Speaker 4: the assassination.
48:43
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
48:44
Speaker 5: I would say that the fact pattern that has emerged
48:47
Speaker 5: in last month shows uh culpability or complicity in the president.
48:51
Speaker 3: But but no direct evidence. Is that correct, sir?
48:54
Speaker 5: We have very direct evidence of the CIA surveillance of Oswald.
48:57
Speaker 3: No, I'm not asking about that.
48:59
Speaker 4: I agree with I am direct evidence that the CIA
49:02
Speaker 4: is connected with the assassination.
49:04
Speaker 5: All of these events connect the CIA to the assassination,
49:06
Speaker 5: and I understand that.
49:07
Speaker 4: So I'm just telling my interpreting of what's been presented.
49:10
Speaker 4: Is I have not seen direct evidence. I'm not saying,
49:13
Speaker 4: by the way, that there haven't been that the CIA
49:15
Speaker 4: or the FBI haven't been involved in a variety of
49:19
Speaker 4: covering up information in the past.
49:21
Speaker 3: We know that to be true.
49:21
Speaker 4: But I just want to make sure that I'm very
49:23
Speaker 4: clear that I have not seen direct evidence yet.
49:26
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
49:28
Speaker 4: I want to just recognize again the over classification issue
49:31
Speaker 4: is an issue, and I appreciate that clarification. I also
49:36
Speaker 4: think it's important that we're very clear with the public
49:39
Speaker 4: that we shouldn't be No one should be defending the
49:42
Speaker 4: CIA or the FBI, particularly from this period of time.
49:44
Speaker 4: I think they were involved in very questionable practices, not
49:47
Speaker 4: just on this issue, but on a variety of issues.
49:50
Speaker 3: So I understand that.
49:53
Speaker 4: I want to also just show that I note that
49:55
Speaker 4: we should follow, of course, the facts wherever they go.
49:58
Speaker 3: Mister Morley.
49:58
Speaker 4: In the run up to this hearing, I know that
50:00
Speaker 4: there was some public reporting about this video that has
50:04
Speaker 4: been a referenced it's never before and seen video of
50:06
Speaker 4: the shooting. That now that video itself is not a secret.
50:10
Speaker 4: I mean JFK researchers have known about this video for
50:12
Speaker 4: a few years, is that correct?
50:14
Speaker 3: For decades?
50:14
Speaker 6: Yes?
50:15
Speaker 3: Okay?
50:15
Speaker 4: And the film is not definitive about Oswald's whereabouts at
50:19
Speaker 4: the time of the incident. I don't know, it is
50:22
Speaker 4: not okay, and it's not regarded as overly important by
50:26
Speaker 4: serious JFK researchers. Would would you agree with that?
50:29
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay?
50:30
Speaker 4: And it has never been a factor in major analysis
50:33
Speaker 4: and the causes of JFK assassination.
50:35
Speaker 3: Is that also correct?
50:36
Speaker 5: Not in mind and not in any of the researchers
50:39
Speaker 5: I work with, Okay, thank you.
50:41
Speaker 4: And I think it's important to clarify that because I
50:43
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of speculation and interest in the video,
50:46
Speaker 4: but I think we did be very clear about what
50:48
Speaker 4: the video actually is. Also, I know, as relate to
50:52
Speaker 4: the role out of the JFK files, it also included
50:55
Speaker 4: a lot of I think personal information and mister Davison,
50:58
Speaker 4: I just want to turn to you for it. One
51:01
Speaker 4: of my concerns is, of course, has been that a
51:04
Speaker 4: lot of personal information was actually released and as go
51:06
Speaker 4: actually cause harm to certain folks. Can you just kind
51:09
Speaker 4: of speak to some of the concerns about the way
51:11
Speaker 4: that was released, that would be helpful.
51:14
Speaker 13: Sure.
51:15
Speaker 10: So, the National Archives was aware, as was the National
51:21
Speaker 10: Security Council from public reporting, that these records contained a
51:26
Speaker 10: substantial amount of personal information, including social security numbers, which
51:30
Speaker 10: are consistently redacted in public records requests and in prior
51:35
Speaker 10: disclosures under the JFKA Records Act and proceeded to complete
51:42
Speaker 10: this rollout with the sort of abrupt twenty four hour
51:44
Speaker 10: deadline at the end, without taking the steps that are
51:48
Speaker 10: ordinarily taken to redact that information and to ensure that
51:52
Speaker 10: privacy is protected. And as I indicated in my initial statement,
51:55
Speaker 10: there's a whole host of harms that can come from that. Obviously,
51:58
Speaker 10: it's deeply inconvenient for.
51:59
Speaker 3: Your social Security number to be published.
52:02
Speaker 9: It is.
52:02
Speaker 10: You know that the White House has said they will
52:04
Speaker 10: issue new social Security numbers, but there's a lot of
52:08
Speaker 10: harm that can happen in the meantime, and updating that
52:11
Speaker 10: information for an individual is tremendously Thank you.
52:13
Speaker 3: My time is it concluded.
52:15
Speaker 4: I just just want to add to that point that
52:16
Speaker 4: as we declassify and work with the archives and others,
52:19
Speaker 4: we've got to make sure that people's personal information are,
52:22
Speaker 4: of course, is being using in a way that's negative.
52:24
Speaker 3: In conductor family, So.
52:25
Speaker 14: Thank you, thank you, mister Garcia, and I will now
52:28
Speaker 14: recognize myself for five minutes. First of all, I want
52:31
Speaker 14: to say thank you to all of our witnesses who
52:33
Speaker 14: are here today. I also believe I want to say
52:37
Speaker 14: that the American people deserve transparency, not just on JFK
52:41
Speaker 14: files MLK Epstein list all the things. I also want
52:46
Speaker 14: to say, I'm grateful to President Trump for keeping good
52:48
Speaker 14: on his promise for transparency. This is a man who
52:52
Speaker 14: literally also took a.
52:53
Speaker 2: Bullet for his country.
52:56
Speaker 14: And I agree with you, mister Stone, on your testimony
52:58
Speaker 14: and your opening statement, giving our country, giving our democracy
53:02
Speaker 14: meaning in a purpose for a nation, and that to
53:05
Speaker 14: me personally means getting to the bottom of the truth,
53:09
Speaker 14: getting the truth out of whatever three letter agency is
53:14
Speaker 14: hiding information, whether it's from Congress, whether it's from the
53:18
Speaker 14: American people. But sunshine literally is the best medicine. And
53:22
Speaker 14: we've just seen over the last few years, regardless of
53:24
Speaker 14: your politics. But we saw fifty one intelligence leaders sign
53:30
Speaker 14: a letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was fake. Turns
53:35
Speaker 14: out that was a cover up. We saw presidential candidate
53:39
Speaker 14: and Donald Trump spied on by the political opposition. We
53:44
Speaker 14: saw Biden's healthcare, his health. This submit the previous administration
53:50
Speaker 14: lied to the American people about the President's health. They
53:53
Speaker 14: called his falling down cheap fakes. We saw the origins
53:58
Speaker 14: of COVID, it up by a government. We saw documents
54:05
Speaker 14: after documents, you know, like you know, hidden from the
54:07
Speaker 14: American people. Donald Trump was treated differently when they found
54:10
Speaker 14: documents at mar A Lago, versus the way the way
54:12
Speaker 14: Joe Biden was treated when they found documents in his garage.
54:16
Speaker 14: The government tried to cover it up, tried to cover
54:18
Speaker 14: from him. We were lied to about drones just in
54:21
Speaker 14: the last few months, and so when we talk about
54:25
Speaker 14: this the deep state, not only was it around during
54:27
Speaker 14: JFK's assassination, but it's here today.
54:31
Speaker 2: It is right before our eyes.
54:33
Speaker 14: And they are doing this in real time with regards
54:37
Speaker 14: to the Epstein list, which the government still has not
54:41
Speaker 14: released today, and the American people deserve to know who
54:44
Speaker 14: rich and powerful is on that list and who the
54:47
Speaker 14: government is covering up for so for decades we've seen
54:53
Speaker 14: this happen. And I'll get to a few questions. Mister Morley,
54:55
Speaker 14: I want to start with you first, you said, according
54:59
Speaker 14: to your testimony and asking what did the CIA know.
55:02
Speaker 15: And when did they know it?
55:03
Speaker 9: What do you think that is?
55:04
Speaker 11: What is the answer to that question.
55:06
Speaker 3: I just want to say.
55:08
Speaker 5: I want to preface my remarks by saying I'm a
55:11
Speaker 5: liberal Democrat and I don't shy away from that. That's
55:16
Speaker 5: part of my reporting, and that's part of my reputation
55:18
Speaker 5: for shoot straight shooting.
55:20
Speaker 3: What did the president? What did the CIA know about
55:22
Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald? And when did they know it?
55:25
Speaker 5: A whole lot, one hundred and ninety eight pages worth
55:29
Speaker 5: of information. We're on the CIA's desk when President Kennedy
55:32
Speaker 5: left for Dallas. So that foundational fact should guide us
55:37
Speaker 5: in understanding what happened.
55:38
Speaker 2: So who do you think fired the shot?
55:40
Speaker 14: I don't know, You don't know, but you don't believe
55:42
Speaker 14: it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
55:44
Speaker 5: Oswald was not the intellectual author of Kennedy's death, even
55:47
Speaker 5: if he fired a gun that day.
55:48
Speaker 14: Who do you think was the intellectual author of Kennedy's death?
55:52
Speaker 5: Kennedy's enemies high in his own government is as specific
55:55
Speaker 5: as I can be based on the available evidence.
55:58
Speaker 3: Probably CIA in pent gun.
56:01
Speaker 14: How long had the CI been surveying Lee Harvey Olswell
56:03
Speaker 14: before the assassination attempt?
56:05
Speaker 3: Four years?
56:06
Speaker 11: Four years?
56:07
Speaker 14: And what are some of the highlights of the CI's
56:09
Speaker 14: pre assassination file on Lee Harvey Oswald.
56:12
Speaker 5: They started reading his mail in November ninth, nineteen fifty nine,
56:16
Speaker 5: and they intercepted a number of letters between him and
56:18
Speaker 5: his mother. Those letters were forwarded to James Angleton in
56:22
Speaker 5: the summer of nineteen sixty two. In the summer of
56:25
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three, Oswald attempted to infiltrate the CIA's favorite
56:29
Speaker 5: Cubans in New Orleans.
56:31
Speaker 3: He was arrested.
56:33
Speaker 5: The FBI sent reports on Oswald's arrest to Angleton's staff.
56:38
Speaker 5: They knew that he had attempted to infiltrate a CIA
56:41
Speaker 5: funded group, that he had been arrested, and then they
56:44
Speaker 5: learned that he had attempted to travel to Cuba, a
56:47
Speaker 5: violation of US law at the time, and he had
56:49
Speaker 5: made contact with a KGB officer in Mexico City.
56:53
Speaker 14: Okay, mister Morley, did the CIA or FBI have intelligence
56:56
Speaker 14: prior to the assassination of President Kennedy Lee Harvey Alswald
57:00
Speaker 14: intended to kill him?
57:01
Speaker 9: No did.
57:02
Speaker 14: The FBI did not either, No, no one did. And
57:06
Speaker 14: then how do we, mister Davison, how do we?
57:08
Speaker 3: How do we?
57:10
Speaker 14: How do we make sure the government is more transparent?
57:13
Speaker 14: With Congress, you have twenty seconds.
57:16
Speaker 6: Good luck.
57:18
Speaker 10: I think in general, the most important thing is to
57:22
Speaker 10: provide the resources to agencies to process public records. Requests
57:27
Speaker 10: or requests from Congress so that this information can actually
57:31
Speaker 10: be reviewed and disclosed in a timely fashion. Whether you
57:36
Speaker 10: are concerned about the truth of the statements that you
57:38
Speaker 10: raised at the top of your presentation, or if perhaps
57:43
Speaker 10: you want to understand more about the Trump administration's hateful
57:46
Speaker 10: campaign against trans individuals. Either way, you would require more
57:52
Speaker 10: resources for public records disclosure and requests.
57:56
Speaker 14: Okay, and just for just for clarification system or least
57:59
Speaker 14: about as non partisan does this committee get so?
58:02
Speaker 15: Good job?
58:02
Speaker 14: Thank you all now recognized Congressman Christian Morphy.
58:04
Speaker 2: For five minutes.
58:07
Speaker 3: Thank you, madam.
58:07
Speaker 16: Chair President Kennedy's grandson, Jack Schlossberg said, conspiracies surrounding JFK's
58:15
Speaker 16: death have shifted focus away from the important lessons of
58:19
Speaker 16: his life and the critical issues of the moment. So
58:21
Speaker 16: I'd like to focus a little bit on some of
58:23
Speaker 16: those lessons and issues. Mister Di Eugenio. It's the start
58:26
Speaker 16: of baseball season, Go Cubs. So let's begin with JFK's
58:31
Speaker 16: nineteen sixty letter to Jackie Robinson, in which JFK highlighted
58:36
Speaker 16: Robinson's role in the civil rights struggle. JFK said, quote,
58:41
Speaker 16: I believe I understand and appreciate your role in continuing
58:46
Speaker 16: the struggle to fulfill America's promise of equal opportunity for all.
58:51
Speaker 16: Just last month, President Trump bizarrely ordered DoD to purge
58:55
Speaker 16: its website of all references to black history, black veterans,
59:00
Speaker 16: and even the reference to Jackie Robinson's own military service.
59:04
Speaker 16: In response, mister Di Eugenio, you posted that what Trump
59:09
Speaker 16: did was quote really sick.
59:12
Speaker 12: That's what you said, and that's what you believe, right, sir? Yes?
59:20
Speaker 3: Did I say that?
59:21
Speaker 12: Yeah?
59:24
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm sorry, I don't recall saying that.
59:28
Speaker 8: Okay, maybe I did, Maybe I didn't, Okay, Yeah.
59:31
Speaker 9: I wish you had given force so I could have
59:33
Speaker 9: looked at it.
59:35
Speaker 16: Mister mister Morley, you said that JFK quote took great
59:40
Speaker 16: risks on behalf of all Americans and resisting the forces
59:44
Speaker 16: of militarism and racism.
59:46
Speaker 6: Yes.
59:47
Speaker 16: Donald Trump, on the other hand, recently eliminated, believe it
59:51
Speaker 16: or not, the prohibition on federal contractors using or maintaining
59:57
Speaker 16: racially segregated facilities JFK. I would have rejected what Trump
1:00:01
Speaker 16: recently did.
1:00:02
Speaker 12: Correct.
1:00:07
Speaker 5: You know I was invited here to talk about the
1:00:09
Speaker 5: JFK files, and I don't want to make a partisan
1:00:12
Speaker 5: political issue of it. Like I said, I'm a liberal Democrat,
1:00:15
Speaker 5: and if in general I had to choose between a
1:00:17
Speaker 5: conservative Republican like Donald Trump and a liberal Democrat like JFK,
1:00:22
Speaker 5: I would choose JFK.
1:00:24
Speaker 16: Well, let me talk about USAID for a second, because
1:00:27
Speaker 16: that was something that JFK actually established, sir. Recently USAID
1:00:35
Speaker 16: is now being shuttered again. That is something that is
1:00:40
Speaker 16: a very important part of his legacy, and that's something
1:00:43
Speaker 16: that he would have opposed, obviously, correct.
1:00:46
Speaker 5: I think President Kennedy would have said that no government
1:00:48
Speaker 5: agency is sacrosanct, and I'm sure he would have said
1:00:50
Speaker 5: that any federal agency that should be abolished should be
1:00:53
Speaker 5: done in consultation between the President and Congress.
1:00:56
Speaker 16: And that hasn't been done here, yes, sir, not that
1:01:00
Speaker 16: I know of. Let me turn to another topic, mister Stone.
1:01:07
Speaker 16: Some of your films, such as Platoon and Born on
1:01:10
Speaker 16: the Fourth of July were inspired by your own military
1:01:13
Speaker 16: experiences in the Army when you deployed to Vietnam in
1:01:17
Speaker 16: the sixties.
1:01:17
Speaker 6: Right, that's great.
1:01:19
Speaker 12: We have this picture here of you in Vietnam.
1:01:24
Speaker 6: Thank you.
1:01:24
Speaker 12: I thank you deeply for your service.
1:01:26
Speaker 16: We actually found a picture of you in Vietnam and
1:01:30
Speaker 16: you were awarded the Bronze Star for valor.
1:01:33
Speaker 6: Correct.
1:01:34
Speaker 16: You've written that your bronze Star was because of your
1:01:37
Speaker 16: actions during a quote mean little ambush which had cost
1:01:43
Speaker 16: you a lieutenant, a sergeant and even your scout dog.
1:01:47
Speaker 3: Correct.
1:01:48
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Why didn't hear that?
1:01:51
Speaker 5: He said lieutenant and your scout dog the ambush.
1:01:57
Speaker 7: No, that's another incident that was later on in another
1:02:01
Speaker 7: infantry unit. That's the reason that led to my bronze star.
1:02:06
Speaker 7: Bronze star came in August of that year. This wound
1:02:09
Speaker 7: occurred in October sixty seven.
1:02:15
Speaker 12: Can I ask you about that?
1:02:16
Speaker 16: It's ambush is like this where sometimes people are waiting
1:02:19
Speaker 16: opportunistically to fire upon you, but sometimes they have some
1:02:25
Speaker 16: type of information that allows them to lie and wait
1:02:28
Speaker 16: for a surprise attack, and part of that information could
1:02:31
Speaker 16: be your whereabouts or the timing of your arrival.
1:02:34
Speaker 6: Correct, you're talking about friendly fire or fragging.
1:02:40
Speaker 12: Is just what you're in, Ambushed from the enemy.
1:02:42
Speaker 6: Ambushed to be ambushed by your own man, your own troops.
1:02:47
Speaker 6: Is that what you're saying.
1:02:48
Speaker 12: Ambushed by the enemy, the adversary.
1:02:50
Speaker 6: The adversary.
1:02:52
Speaker 7: Well, I'm a little confused, but I just want to
1:02:55
Speaker 7: make the point that yes, there was a tremendous amount
1:02:58
Speaker 7: of friendly fire casualties in Vietnam, and there's in any war.
1:03:02
Speaker 7: I believe, in my experience, ten percent doesn't even describe it.
1:03:07
Speaker 7: I think it's closer to fifteen or twenty percent in
1:03:09
Speaker 7: terms of mister, friendly fire deaths and wounds.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Stone, we'd like to thank you for your
1:03:15
Speaker 1: service to this country.
1:03:16
Speaker 2: You are a war hero.
1:03:17
Speaker 1: You have a bronze and of purple heart, and I
1:03:19
Speaker 1: think this committee reflects that.
1:03:21
Speaker 2: Thank you. The Chair would like to now recognize mister Burchett.
1:03:25
Speaker 3: Thank you, cher lady.
1:03:26
Speaker 17: For over fifty years, the assassination of President Kennedy has
1:03:29
Speaker 17: been shrouded in secrecy and corruption. The American people have
1:03:32
Speaker 17: been lied to repeatedly by this federal government. President Trump's
1:03:36
Speaker 17: executive orders declassified the critical documents. I think as a
1:03:41
Speaker 17: step in the right direction. The Congress must ensure that
1:03:44
Speaker 17: the bureaucrats in Washington, d c. Don't get away with
1:03:47
Speaker 17: what they've done, and they don't get in the way
1:03:49
Speaker 17: of transparency. Mister Stone, I know you've talked about chain
1:03:54
Speaker 17: of custody, and i'd like to hear your thoughts on
1:03:56
Speaker 17: some of the NBC videos. And I know that you
1:03:59
Speaker 17: since you've already talked about your service to our great
1:04:02
Speaker 17: country from sixty seven to sixty eight.
1:04:05
Speaker 9: You're twice wounded in action.
1:04:06
Speaker 17: You received a Bronze Star, a purple Heart, an air
1:04:09
Speaker 17: Metal and the Combat Infantry Badge, and we salute you
1:04:12
Speaker 17: for your service, sir. Today is the eightieth anniversary the
1:04:15
Speaker 17: invasion of Okinawa, and that's an island my dad was
1:04:18
Speaker 17: on and he told me he said the purple Heart
1:04:21
Speaker 17: was one medal.
1:04:22
Speaker 3: He was glad he never.
1:04:23
Speaker 17: Got, mister Stone, I'm gonna ask for the indulgence of
1:04:26
Speaker 17: the chair Lady and the members if I could just
1:04:29
Speaker 17: yield my time to you and you to discuss anything
1:04:32
Speaker 17: you would like to pertaining to this subject, and to
1:04:34
Speaker 17: ask any of the other men up here on the
1:04:38
Speaker 17: dias with you any questions you would like.
1:04:40
Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to point out that in our film
1:04:45
Speaker 7: JFK revisited twenty twenty one, which isn't important. I hope
1:04:49
Speaker 7: members of the committee have a chance to look at
1:04:51
Speaker 7: it because it is a follow up to the original
1:04:54
Speaker 7: film and it's a documentary made with mister T.
1:04:58
Speaker 6: Eugenio as a writer tweet.
1:05:01
Speaker 7: We take the evidence from the aar B and we
1:05:05
Speaker 7: examine as much of as we can, including in that
1:05:07
Speaker 7: is the concept of chain of custody. We interviewed Henry Lee,
1:05:12
Speaker 7: who is one of the countries.
1:05:15
Speaker 9: Leading he's the leading criminalist in America.
1:05:20
Speaker 7: Ok a criminalist whatever? Okay, he was saying to us, repeating,
1:05:24
Speaker 7: and he's on camera. I say, a chain of custody
1:05:26
Speaker 7: has to go from the scene of the crime to
1:05:29
Speaker 7: the courtroom. Otherwise it doesn't You cannot bring the charge
1:05:33
Speaker 7: on Oswald or anybody. Well, that doesn't exist in this case.
1:05:38
Speaker 7: We went through this in the documentary. The rifle itself
1:05:42
Speaker 7: is not the one that is described in the in
1:05:46
Speaker 7: the film as shown of a man a detective walking
1:05:50
Speaker 7: out with a rifle in his arms raised. That rifle
1:05:53
Speaker 7: does not resemble the one that was bought by Oswald
1:05:55
Speaker 7: out of the Chicago supposedly bought by Oswalt Hiddel was
1:05:59
Speaker 7: his name.
1:06:00
Speaker 17: The one held up was a mouser and the one
1:06:02
Speaker 17: he allegedly shot him with was a Manlaker Italian.
1:06:06
Speaker 8: The difference is that the one in evidence is longer
1:06:09
Speaker 8: it's about four inches longer, it has a sling to it,
1:06:13
Speaker 8: and it has a screw in the butt of the rifle,
1:06:15
Speaker 8: which I consulted with some rifle experts, and they said
1:06:19
Speaker 8: Oswald could not have done that at by himself.
1:06:24
Speaker 9: All right.
1:06:24
Speaker 8: So those are the differences between the one that the
1:06:27
Speaker 8: Warning Commission says Oswald actually purchased versus the one that
1:06:32
Speaker 8: they put into evidence.
1:06:34
Speaker 7: No rifle and no bullets. I said, now the bullets
1:06:37
Speaker 7: is even more ridiculous. As you know, there's been a
1:06:40
Speaker 7: long amount of controversy about the C three ninety nine,
1:06:44
Speaker 7: the magic so called magic bullet, which came out apparently
1:06:48
Speaker 7: undamaged after wounding.
1:06:50
Speaker 6: Seven or eight seven or eight wounds.
1:06:54
Speaker 7: We don't have a chain of because proving that those
1:06:57
Speaker 7: bullets were ever used, those are not that they do
1:07:01
Speaker 7: not match the ones at the sixth floor that were
1:07:05
Speaker 7: set pictured.
1:07:05
Speaker 17: And that's the bullet that was found on the garney, correct,
1:07:08
Speaker 17: besides one of.
1:07:09
Speaker 8: The hot yes, except we don't know which gurney was found. Okay,
1:07:14
Speaker 8: And then if you go to the chain of custody
1:07:16
Speaker 8: from well, let me use this as an example. According
1:07:21
Speaker 8: to the evidence, all right, that bullet was turned over
1:07:25
Speaker 8: to the FBI at nine to twenty that night.
1:07:29
Speaker 9: Okay, nine, Well, here's the problem.
1:07:32
Speaker 8: Frasier, who was the FBI ballistics expert, had.
1:07:36
Speaker 9: The bullet at seven thirty five.
1:07:39
Speaker 8: How on earth can you have a bullet that hasn't
1:07:41
Speaker 8: been delivered into the into the White House because that's
1:07:45
Speaker 8: where the exchange took place. So that's one of the
1:07:48
Speaker 8: big problems. And I could go on for two hours
1:07:51
Speaker 8: on what's wrong? Would see three ninety nine as a
1:07:54
Speaker 8: piece of evidence. I don't think any just attorney in
1:07:58
Speaker 8: the United States would even try and submit CE three
1:08:02
Speaker 8: nine nine because it would blow up in your face.
1:08:09
Speaker 8: I'm concerning the medical that he mentioned. In the House
1:08:14
Speaker 8: Select Committee Volumes, volume seven, page thirty seven, you will
1:08:18
Speaker 8: see a quote saying that the witnesses at Bethesda did
1:08:25
Speaker 8: not see this blown out back of the skull which
1:08:29
Speaker 8: the witnesses at Parkland Hospital saw, which is strongly indicative
1:08:32
Speaker 8: of a shot from the front. All right, well, this
1:08:35
Speaker 8: is what happened when the LARB declassified all the medical
1:08:39
Speaker 8: files from the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That turned
1:08:43
Speaker 8: out to be a lie because as many people at
1:08:47
Speaker 8: Bethesda saw this blown out back of the skull, as
1:08:51
Speaker 8: saw it at Parkland. There's I think twenty one and
1:08:55
Speaker 8: twenty one, so you have a grand total.
1:08:56
Speaker 9: Of forty two people. Can forty two people all be wrong?
1:09:00
Speaker 9: You know? I mean that just defies imagination.
1:09:05
Speaker 17: Four hundred and thirty five people are often wrong, But
1:09:08
Speaker 17: that's Congress.
1:09:11
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Burchette, Miss Lee, you're now recognized for
1:09:14
Speaker 1: five minutes.
1:09:15
Speaker 18: Thank you, Madam Chair and our ranking member Garcia for
1:09:19
Speaker 18: convening today's hearing, and thank you so much for the
1:09:21
Speaker 18: witnesses for being here. I don't want this task force
1:09:25
Speaker 18: to get drawn too far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
1:09:31
Speaker 18: We convene these hearings because the reality of the CIA's
1:09:33
Speaker 18: past action is troubling.
1:09:35
Speaker 15: On its own.
1:09:36
Speaker 18: This dump of documents alone showed evidence of illegal surveillance,
1:09:40
Speaker 18: break ins, overstepping of authority. We've even got specific instructions
1:09:44
Speaker 18: on how to wire tap, including how to use certain
1:09:47
Speaker 18: chemicals to create markings on phones to tip off spies.
1:09:51
Speaker 15: But we already knew this was happening.
1:09:53
Speaker 18: We knew that the CIA Committee human rights abuses.
1:09:56
Speaker 15: And illegally surveiled people, which is why the.
1:09:58
Speaker 18: Work did Classifying these documents is so important We've got
1:10:03
Speaker 18: to have transparency right so that we can learn to
1:10:06
Speaker 18: do better, so that we can hold agencies accountable. But
1:10:11
Speaker 18: being reckless with this sensitive information is also not the
1:10:15
Speaker 18: way to do it. Declassifying documents around the assassinations of
1:10:18
Speaker 18: President Kennedy and Martin Luther King Junior is a serious matter,
1:10:21
Speaker 18: and we owe it to the American people to get
1:10:23
Speaker 18: it right. Unfortunately, the rollout of documents we've seen so
1:10:26
Speaker 18: far has been sloppy and rushed.
1:10:29
Speaker 15: The release didn't.
1:10:30
Speaker 18: Really give us a smoking gun, but it did produce
1:10:32
Speaker 18: a plenty of collateral damage. Trump's actions have jeopardized the
1:10:36
Speaker 18: safety and security of hundreds of formal, congressional and federal
1:10:39
Speaker 18: employees by releasing their Social Security numbers in personal information
1:10:43
Speaker 18: to the public and for what to score political.
1:10:47
Speaker 15: Points by rushing the release.
1:10:49
Speaker 18: Many of the people whose personal information has been exposed
1:10:51
Speaker 18: are rightfully afraid about their identities being stolen and about
1:10:55
Speaker 18: threats to their personal safety, and people identified in the
1:10:58
Speaker 18: documents are already being forced to get new Social Security
1:11:02
Speaker 18: numbers at a time when President Trump is literally dismantling
1:11:05
Speaker 18: the agency that administers them. Mister Davison, President Trump ordered
1:11:09
Speaker 18: the classification and release of tens of thousands of pages
1:11:12
Speaker 18: within twenty four hours.
1:11:14
Speaker 15: Do you think that that was problematic?
1:11:15
Speaker 9: And if so, why thank you for the question.
1:11:19
Speaker 6: It was.
1:11:22
Speaker 10: Going back to January, of course, was the executive order
1:11:26
Speaker 10: requiring the disclosure of all the records in the collection.
1:11:30
Speaker 10: My understanding is that the process was playing out, that
1:11:32
Speaker 10: the Archives was conducting the review it needed to determine
1:11:37
Speaker 10: what few bits of these records needed to be redacted
1:11:40
Speaker 10: to protect, among other things, the privacy of individuals whose
1:11:43
Speaker 10: information was contained therein and then that process was short circuited,
1:11:47
Speaker 10: and despite awareness at the National Security Council and the
1:11:51
Speaker 10: Archives that the disclosure of these records would cause tangible
1:11:54
Speaker 10: privacy harm, the rollout was conducted without redactions all the same,
1:12:00
Speaker 10: leading to the situation where you know, hundreds of social
1:12:03
Speaker 10: Security numbers have been disclosed, creating a quite scary, an
1:12:07
Speaker 10: alarming situation for those whose numbers were implicated, who now
1:12:11
Speaker 10: have to rush to place freezes on their credit accounts,
1:12:16
Speaker 10: to if there issued new social Security numbers, to update
1:12:19
Speaker 10: all of that information with all of this their various
1:12:21
Speaker 10: accounts and creditors and so forth, so that it is
1:12:24
Speaker 10: it is a serious issue for the people affected, and
1:12:28
Speaker 10: it could have been avoided with just a little bit
1:12:30
Speaker 10: more due diligence of the sort that the Archives normally exercises.
1:12:34
Speaker 18: Yeah, so is there a way that Trump could have
1:12:35
Speaker 18: protected that personal information?
1:12:38
Speaker 10: Is there a way that the president could have protected
1:12:40
Speaker 10: that information by going through the ordinary process of reviewing
1:12:45
Speaker 10: these documents and dictating that this, you know, these particular
1:12:49
Speaker 10: social security numbers and other sensitive financial pieces of information
1:12:53
Speaker 10: would not be disclosed with the records.
1:12:55
Speaker 15: Certainly, thank you, mister Morley.
1:12:56
Speaker 18: As someone is read through all of the documents, do
1:12:59
Speaker 18: you think that the docum could have been better organized
1:13:01
Speaker 18: so it was more accessible to more people.
1:13:04
Speaker 5: I want to say that the release of the social
1:13:09
Speaker 5: security numbers and other personal information was unprofessional, reckless, careless.
1:13:15
Speaker 5: I'm the vice president of the Mary Farrell Foundation, which
1:13:18
Speaker 5: sponsors the largest online archive of JFK, RFK and MLK records,
1:13:24
Speaker 5: and I was authorized by the President to release this
1:13:26
Speaker 5: statement about the social security numbers. While the MFF is
1:13:31
Speaker 5: an advocate of full transparency and the JFK Records Act
1:13:34
Speaker 5: make no exception for such information, we are electing to
1:13:37
Speaker 5: redact all the social security numbers in these records. Unlike
1:13:42
Speaker 5: even seemingly mundane document details which sometimes do add to.
1:13:46
Speaker 3: The history of the case.
1:13:47
Speaker 5: Social security numbers add nothing of value and expose their
1:13:50
Speaker 5: holders to possible identity theft. Accordingly, when we put these
1:13:54
Speaker 5: particular documents online in the coming weeks, we will be
1:13:57
Speaker 5: adding our own redactions to them. We will not be
1:14:01
Speaker 5: redacting other information. Most other data is long.
1:14:04
Speaker 18: Certainly, thank you so much for adding that.
1:14:09
Speaker 15: Yeah, I just want to be clear.
1:14:11
Speaker 18: Then, open and transparent federal government is essential for public trust,
1:14:14
Speaker 18: and the classification is a good thing.
1:14:16
Speaker 15: There is a way to do this.
1:14:17
Speaker 18: It is important that we are not sloppy, that we
1:14:19
Speaker 18: are not rushing things, that we are not doing things
1:14:22
Speaker 18: in just a haphazard way, as we've seen with so
1:14:24
Speaker 18: many things that those in the administration has touched. What
1:14:27
Speaker 18: we want is for this information to be out. We
1:14:29
Speaker 18: want people to understand the past, our agencies, the CIA.
1:14:32
Speaker 15: We need to do it right.
1:14:33
Speaker 2: With that, io back, thank you very much.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: Without further I'd like to recognize miss Bobert for five minutes.
1:14:45
Speaker 19: Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to our witnesses for
1:14:47
Speaker 19: being here today. Hopefully we can stay on topic for
1:14:50
Speaker 19: the rest of this hearing. We seem to be wrapping
1:14:52
Speaker 19: up pretty close here. Mister Stone, you wrote a book
1:14:58
Speaker 19: accusing LBJ of being involved in the killing of President Kennedy.
1:15:07
Speaker 19: Did these Did these most recent releases confirm or negate
1:15:11
Speaker 19: your initial charge being involved in the assassination of President Kennedy?
1:15:21
Speaker 6: No, No, I didn't.
1:15:28
Speaker 7: If you look closely at the film, there's no look
1:15:31
Speaker 7: it accuses the President Johnson, okay, of part being part
1:15:35
Speaker 7: of a complicit and a cover up of the case,
1:15:39
Speaker 7: but not in the assassination itself, which I don't know.
1:15:41
Speaker 19: What what do you think that he was complicit with? Yes,
1:15:43
Speaker 19: or I'll get to you the cover up?
1:15:44
Speaker 7: Well, how about for starters appointing Alan Dallies ahead of
1:15:48
Speaker 7: the CIA. It was fired by Kennedy to the commission itself,
1:15:52
Speaker 7: to the Warren Commission, and he goes to almost every
1:15:54
Speaker 7: meeting and he's pretty much in charge of the Warren
1:15:57
Speaker 7: Commission from the beginning. Alan Dulles, that's a part of
1:16:01
Speaker 7: the evidence that points to President Johnson's either incompetence or involvement.
1:16:07
Speaker 19: Mister Morley, I think you had something to add on that.
1:16:10
Speaker 5: I think you're confusing mister Oliver Stone with mister Rogers.
1:16:13
Speaker 3: Stone yet.
1:16:15
Speaker 5: Sorry, it's Roger Stone who implicated LBJ and the assassinators
1:16:20
Speaker 5: of the President.
1:16:20
Speaker 15: It's not my friends were there.
1:16:22
Speaker 19: I may have I may have misusterpored that, and I
1:16:24
Speaker 19: apologize for that.
1:16:26
Speaker 2: But there there's seems.
1:16:27
Speaker 19: To be some alluding of, like you said, incompetence or
1:16:31
Speaker 19: or some sort of involvement there on the back end.
1:16:34
Speaker 19: So not not a sorry. I'm going to move on,
1:16:36
Speaker 19: mister Morley. I would like to talk more about the
1:16:41
Speaker 19: C three nine nine and and this file. I want
1:16:46
Speaker 19: the American people to know what's in there that what
1:16:49
Speaker 19: was recently released, how that lines up to this, and.
1:16:54
Speaker 2: How we could get more clarity there.
1:16:56
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not familiar with the number that you mentioned.
1:17:01
Speaker 8: Mister d Are you talking about Commission Exhibit three nine nine?
1:17:04
Speaker 3: Yeah?
1:17:04
Speaker 5: Okay, uh, I yield my time, Tom.
1:17:09
Speaker 2: I have more questions for you to the commission.
1:17:12
Speaker 8: Exhibit three has a very wild trajectory, which I think
1:17:18
Speaker 8: any person familiar with ballistics, you know, would would question.
1:17:22
Speaker 8: In the first place, then the second place is it
1:17:26
Speaker 8: has a very very dubious UH chain of custody all
1:17:32
Speaker 8: right from UH. It was first captured at the Parkland
1:17:36
Speaker 8: Hospital Tomlinson and Wright, who worked there, turned it over
1:17:40
Speaker 8: to the Secret Service. Then the Secret Service turned over
1:17:43
Speaker 8: to the FBI. Any investigator would want to interview mister
1:17:49
Speaker 8: Wright because he was the security guy who turned over
1:17:53
Speaker 8: the bullet to the Secret Service. Well, Wright was not interviewed.
1:17:59
Speaker 8: And there's a good reason he was an interview. When
1:18:02
Speaker 8: Josiah Thompson was writing his book Six Seconds in Dallas,
1:18:06
Speaker 8: he interviewed oh P.
1:18:07
Speaker 9: Wright, who was a director.
1:18:09
Speaker 8: Of security at the at Parkland Hospital, and he said, yeah,
1:18:14
Speaker 8: I'm the guy who gave it. And Thompson put up
1:18:17
Speaker 8: a picture of C. Three nine nine in front of
1:18:21
Speaker 8: him and right said, they say, that's the bullet that
1:18:25
Speaker 8: I turned over to the Secret Service, and he said yes.
1:18:28
Speaker 9: He says, no, I did not turn over that bullet.
1:18:31
Speaker 8: And he opened up the drawer, okay, and he because
1:18:34
Speaker 8: he was in charge of the whole security thing, and
1:18:37
Speaker 8: he pulled out a bullet and says, this is the
1:18:39
Speaker 8: kind of bullet that it wasn't a hunting round, Okay,
1:18:43
Speaker 8: all right, And so he said, and he was, by
1:18:46
Speaker 8: the way, he was so stupefied that after the interview,
1:18:50
Speaker 8: he chased Thompson down the hallway and he said, are
1:18:54
Speaker 8: you sure that's the bullet? I said that, They said,
1:18:57
Speaker 8: I turned over and he said yes, and he just
1:19:00
Speaker 8: shook his head.
1:19:01
Speaker 9: You know, I can't believe he couldn't believe it.
1:19:04
Speaker 15: Thank you.
1:19:05
Speaker 19: I would love to go into that deeper. But mister Morley,
1:19:08
Speaker 19: before my time is up, why why do you believe
1:19:10
Speaker 19: that the CIA was a surveilling Lee Harvey Oswald in
1:19:14
Speaker 19: the years before JFK's assassination and what methods did the
1:19:17
Speaker 19: CIA use in the surveillance.
1:19:20
Speaker 17: One of it?
1:19:22
Speaker 5: One of the documents that was released last month revealed
1:19:25
Speaker 5: that when Angleton put people on the on the list
1:19:28
Speaker 5: for intercepting their mail, his purpose was to approach them
1:19:33
Speaker 5: to be a contact or a source. So I believe
1:19:36
Speaker 5: that Angleton, when he put Oswald under male surveillance, was
1:19:39
Speaker 5: considering using him as a contact as a source. The
1:19:43
Speaker 5: means of surveillance that were used were first male surveillance
1:19:46
Speaker 5: and then Oswald came under a photographic surveillance, wiretap surveillance,
1:19:53
Speaker 5: and contact with CIA funded groups.
1:19:57
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mountain Chair, I yelled, I now recognize miss
1:20:03
Speaker 1: Crockett for five minutes.
1:20:11
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
1:20:13
Speaker 20: There often isn't too much agreement when it comes specifically
1:20:18
Speaker 20: to Congress, let alone to this particular committee. And I
1:20:22
Speaker 20: will tell you that y'all have given me all the
1:20:25
Speaker 20: feels as someone who had an opportunity to practice law.
1:20:29
Speaker 20: So when you start talking about things such as chain
1:20:32
Speaker 20: of custody, these are the things that I used to
1:20:35
Speaker 20: challenge all the time as a defense attorney. And the
1:20:40
Speaker 20: reason that I had to make sure that I was
1:20:43
Speaker 20: here and specifically on today is because on November twenty second,
1:20:49
Speaker 20: nineteen sixty three, Texas thirtieth Congressional District, the district that
1:20:53
Speaker 20: I represent, became the site of one of the most
1:20:56
Speaker 20: tragic events in American political history. After being struck by
1:20:59
Speaker 20: the blok of an assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald's, President Kennedy
1:21:04
Speaker 20: was rushed to Parkland Hospital, where hardworking physicians from the
1:21:08
Speaker 20: ut Southwestern Medical Center worked tirelessly to resuscitate him. During
1:21:13
Speaker 20: the forty eight hours between the moment President Kennedy was
1:21:16
Speaker 20: shot to the moment when Oswald was pronounced dead, Texas
1:21:20
Speaker 20: thirtieth Congressional District became the temporary seat of the US government,
1:21:24
Speaker 20: the temporary seat of the Texas government, the site of
1:21:28
Speaker 20: the thirty fifth President's death and the center of the
1:21:31
Speaker 20: world's attention. While I value government accountability and transparency like
1:21:36
Speaker 20: most of my colleagues. Nearly all the previously classified JFK
1:21:40
Speaker 20: assassination files are now public and show no evidence of
1:21:44
Speaker 20: a CIA conspiracy. But what I find funny about this
1:21:47
Speaker 20: hearing is that the Republicans are here relitigating whether CIA
1:21:52
Speaker 20: agents lied sixty years ago, but aren't doing anything about
1:21:57
Speaker 20: the CIA director lying to Congress just six days ago.
1:22:01
Speaker 20: We should be having a hearing on the fact that
1:22:03
Speaker 20: the unqualified Secretary of Defense and other senior Trump officials
1:22:07
Speaker 20: were carelessly discussing classified military plans over an unsecured signal
1:22:13
Speaker 20: group chat. And instead of providing oversight over the administration's
1:22:17
Speaker 20: handling of classified information, the Republicans have spent a week
1:22:21
Speaker 20: trying to convince the American people that the military plans
1:22:24
Speaker 20: were not classified. So instead of giving a platform to
1:22:28
Speaker 20: conspiracy theories, and let me be clear, there are holes.
1:22:31
Speaker 20: I don't want y'all to think that I don't think
1:22:33
Speaker 20: that there are holes. But when we're looking back, we
1:22:37
Speaker 20: need to look back so that we can look forward
1:22:39
Speaker 20: and hopefully do better. So that is why I am
1:22:42
Speaker 20: bringing us to present day it might be helpful if
1:22:45
Speaker 20: we walk everyone through the classification and declassification process, since
1:22:50
Speaker 20: the Republicans have decided to do it this way. Federal
1:22:54
Speaker 20: law defines classified information as quote, information or material requiring
1:22:58
Speaker 20: a specific degree of protect against unauthorized disclosure for reasons
1:23:02
Speaker 20: of national security. Federal law also defines disclosure as quote, communicating, providing, transmitting, transferring, conveying, publishing,
1:23:10
Speaker 20: or otherwise making available. Congress has loan and acted classified
1:23:14
Speaker 20: information laws that forbid the disclosure of classified information separately.
1:23:19
Speaker 20: Executive Order one three five, two six puts in place
1:23:23
Speaker 20: a uniform system for classifying and declassifying national security information.
1:23:28
Speaker 20: According to the Executive Order, classified information includes the following
1:23:33
Speaker 20: quote military plans, weapons systems or operations, intelligence activities including
1:23:38
Speaker 20: covert actions, intelligence sources or methods, and foreign relations or
1:23:43
Speaker 20: foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources. Under
1:23:47
Speaker 20: the quote general responsibilities provision of the Executive Order quote,
1:23:51
Speaker 20: heads of Agencies shall ensure the agency record system are
1:23:55
Speaker 20: designed and maintained to optimize the appropriate sharing and safeguarding
1:24:00
Speaker 20: of classified information and help facilitate is declassification, not to
1:24:04
Speaker 20: mention that it's also illegal under federal law. To destroy
1:24:08
Speaker 20: classified documents and information. So this administration is breaking law
1:24:11
Speaker 20: by discussing classified information over unsecure channels and breaking the
1:24:15
Speaker 20: law by destroying the evidence of the conversations. We wouldn't
1:24:18
Speaker 20: be able to have today's hearing if the CIA destroyed
1:24:22
Speaker 20: the records associated with the assassination of President Kennedy. So,
1:24:27
Speaker 20: mister Morley, wouldn't it be impossible for you to accurately
1:24:31
Speaker 20: report on the JFK assassination if the CIA and FBI
1:24:35
Speaker 20: deleted all documents like the Trump administration officials planned to
1:24:39
Speaker 20: do in the Signal group chat.
1:24:43
Speaker 5: The CIA destroyed a lot of records related to President
1:24:45
Speaker 5: Kennedy's assassination. Again, I didn't come here to engage in
1:24:50
Speaker 5: the debate about partisan politics. I think everybody agrees about
1:24:53
Speaker 5: the JFK files, and I want to endorse mister Davison's
1:24:57
Speaker 5: call for full funding of public records offices and the.
1:25:00
Speaker 20: I understand, And mister Stone, wouldn't it be nearly impossible
1:25:03
Speaker 20: to produce a film if there was not a legitimate
1:25:06
Speaker 20: record of these events taking place?
1:25:14
Speaker 7: Well, that's a very buck question.
1:25:18
Speaker 6: Not really, But oh that's a very good question. Not really.
1:25:23
Speaker 7: I mean, the events unfolded as they did, and right
1:25:26
Speaker 7: away from day one, people were pointing out inconsistencies, way
1:25:30
Speaker 7: before there was an official official record of this.
1:25:33
Speaker 15: Thank you.
1:25:34
Speaker 21: With that, I will yield, mister Morley, mister Stone, mister D. G. D.
1:25:44
Speaker 13: Eugeniu.
1:25:45
Speaker 21: I just want to say thank you for being here,
1:25:48
Speaker 21: taking time out of your day, and I want to
1:25:50
Speaker 21: apologize that not everyone on this hearing seems to want
1:25:54
Speaker 21: to use this time to its fullest extent, and so
1:25:57
Speaker 21: I want to start by saying thank you, mister Stone.
1:26:00
Speaker 21: Shortly after your film's release, the United States Congress passed
1:26:05
Speaker 21: the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act of nineteen ninety two,
1:26:09
Speaker 21: and you did something that I don't know that I've
1:26:12
Speaker 21: done in my career.
1:26:13
Speaker 13: It passed unanimously.
1:26:16
Speaker 21: I want to give you an opportunity to talk about
1:26:19
Speaker 21: how it felt and the impact of having a movie
1:26:24
Speaker 21: that not only has spurred multiple hearings of Congress, but
1:26:28
Speaker 21: unanimously passed a bill through Congress.
1:26:33
Speaker 6: Sir, I was at the time.
1:26:35
Speaker 7: I was told that by many people who were involved,
1:26:39
Speaker 7: and they were very happy and thought that this was
1:26:42
Speaker 7: a great public duty.
1:26:46
Speaker 6: I didn't feel that way.
1:26:47
Speaker 7: I felt like I was being skewed the whole time
1:26:51
Speaker 7: in the media, and many people volunteered, important people volunteered
1:26:57
Speaker 7: negative impressions that were not based on I don't think
1:27:00
Speaker 7: on reality that the people didn't bother to see the film,
1:27:04
Speaker 7: for example, and we're saying that he's got Lyndon Johnson
1:27:06
Speaker 7: and all that involved in blah blah blah, and he's
1:27:09
Speaker 7: got fifty five people different agencies involved.
1:27:12
Speaker 6: I mean, this is nonsense.
1:27:13
Speaker 21: I just want to say, on the behalf of the
1:27:15
Speaker 21: American people, thank you for what you did. Because because
1:27:18
Speaker 21: of your work, we now have documents like this one.
1:27:21
Speaker 21: Matta Chard like to enter into the record a CIA
1:27:25
Speaker 21: document that ends.
1:27:26
Speaker 13: In number one zero zero.
1:27:28
Speaker 2: Five to six with that objection so ordered.
1:27:31
Speaker 21: In this document, it describes that the I mean, it
1:27:35
Speaker 21: dispels the narrative that when Oswald visited Mexico City that
1:27:39
Speaker 21: he only met with Sylvia Durant. In fact, in this
1:27:43
Speaker 21: document he met with a KGB official. Remarkably, the individual
1:27:52
Speaker 21: by the name of Costakoff was actually a member of
1:27:57
Speaker 21: KGB and Department thirteen.
1:28:00
Speaker 13: Because of your work, we now have this kind of evidence.
1:28:04
Speaker 21: He actually met with a member of the KGB who
1:28:08
Speaker 21: was part of the wetworks the Assassination team. I also
1:28:11
Speaker 21: want to say thank you because because of your work,
1:28:14
Speaker 21: we have another document that I want to enter into
1:28:16
Speaker 21: the record.
1:28:17
Speaker 13: This this is ends in one zero nine.
1:28:21
Speaker 21: I'm sorry one zero one ninety one, but that objection
1:28:25
Speaker 21: so ordered. In this document, we have a testimony that
1:28:29
Speaker 21: an individual named Francisco Tamayo, otherwise known as the El Mexicano,
1:28:35
Speaker 21: accompanied Lee Harvey Oswald into Mexico City for his meetings
1:28:41
Speaker 21: in both the Cuban Embassy and the Russian Embassy. Mister Stone,
1:28:47
Speaker 21: I just I'm shocked that this narrative has only really
1:28:52
Speaker 21: been something that we've seen only in the last few years.
1:28:55
Speaker 21: You would think that the Warren report would have reported
1:28:59
Speaker 21: the fact that Oswald had met with a KGB individual
1:29:03
Speaker 21: in the Department thirteen of.
1:29:07
Speaker 13: The basically the Assassination Division, and that he was.
1:29:10
Speaker 21: Accompanied by an individual known as El Mexicano. That later
1:29:14
Speaker 21: an FBI report indicated that this individual, L Mexicano was
1:29:20
Speaker 21: captured in Venezuela for attempting to assassinate another individual. Mister Morley,
1:29:28
Speaker 21: I want to ask you about mister Angleton.
1:29:32
Speaker 13: Who is mister Angleton.
1:29:34
Speaker 5: James Angleton was the Chief of CIA counter Intelligence from
1:29:37
Speaker 5: nineteen fifty four to nineteen seventy four. In that period
1:29:41
Speaker 5: he was one of the most influential men in the CIA,
1:29:44
Speaker 5: serving under one, two, three, four four different directors.
1:29:50
Speaker 21: And what did he tell the Warren Commission in nineteen
1:29:53
Speaker 21: sixty three and sixty.
1:29:54
Speaker 5: Four when the Warren Commission came asking Oswald came asking
1:29:58
Speaker 5: Angleton for information about Oswald's visit to Mexico City, Angleton
1:30:02
Speaker 5: wrote a memo or told his aides that he wanted
1:30:05
Speaker 5: to and this is.
1:30:06
Speaker 3: A quote, wait out the Commission. He did not cooperate.
1:30:10
Speaker 5: And like James Angleton, like Richard Helms, they both basically
1:30:14
Speaker 5: fooled the Warrent Commission and deceived them about what they
1:30:17
Speaker 5: knew about Oswald.
1:30:19
Speaker 21: And later we now have, because of the work of
1:30:23
Speaker 21: mister Stone and others, we have mister Engleton's testimony that
1:30:26
Speaker 21: he gave to the Assassination Committee of the House Select
1:30:32
Speaker 21: Committee on Assassinations.
1:30:34
Speaker 13: What insights did we gain from that?
1:30:37
Speaker 5: This document was not fully declassified until March eighteenth, and
1:30:41
Speaker 5: in there we learned for the first time that Angleton
1:30:44
Speaker 5: had lied to the House Select Committee when he testified
1:30:47
Speaker 5: in October nineteen seventy eight in an office building about
1:30:50
Speaker 5: two blocks from here, and that was never known before
1:30:54
Speaker 5: until March eighteenth, that he had done that, And that
1:30:57
Speaker 5: is one of the most significant revelations to come out
1:31:00
Speaker 5: of this. People will say, oh, well, there's nothing new here. No,
1:31:04
Speaker 5: there's something new here. The New York Times, the Washington
1:31:06
Speaker 5: Post have never reported that one of the top that
1:31:09
Speaker 5: three top CIA officials lied to the JFK investigators.
1:31:14
Speaker 21: Yeah, and we the fact that we have three CIA
1:31:19
Speaker 21: officials that lied to Congress for decades and that it
1:31:22
Speaker 21: took decades to get documents that should have been released
1:31:26
Speaker 21: that had very compelling information and it took sixty years
1:31:30
Speaker 21: to get that information released is appalling. And that's why
1:31:33
Speaker 21: I want to say thank you to all of your
1:31:35
Speaker 21: work in helping to get this information released.
1:31:39
Speaker 3: Thank you.
1:31:40
Speaker 2: I'd like to now recognized, mister creature. Five minutes.
1:31:45
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you need us to consent without objection suppordered.
1:31:48
Speaker 21: So I have some more documents I want to enter
1:31:49
Speaker 21: into the record. Here's from the National Archives and NARA
1:31:53
Speaker 21: letter dated twenty seventeen that the ciay we held docs
1:31:58
Speaker 21: regardless of the.
1:31:59
Speaker 2: JFK Act with that objection, so ordered.
1:32:03
Speaker 21: Another document from the Archives that the Warrant Commission did
1:32:05
Speaker 21: not have original classification.
1:32:07
Speaker 2: Authority without objection, so ordered.
1:32:09
Speaker 21: And then another document from the archives that the FBI
1:32:12
Speaker 21: is reasoning for reactions dated twenty seventeen in the.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: NARA letter without objection so ordered. I'd like to now
1:32:19
Speaker 1: recognize mister Crane for feminins.
1:32:21
Speaker 22: Thank you, Miss Chairwan, Thank you guys for coming out today.
1:32:27
Speaker 22: You guys have probably forgot more about the jfk assassination
1:32:30
Speaker 22: than I'll ever know, so I'm still going to ask
1:32:32
Speaker 22: you some questions and I appreciate your You know just
1:32:36
Speaker 22: how dogged you guys have been on this for decades.
1:32:40
Speaker 22: Mister Morley, I want to start with you, what is
1:32:41
Speaker 22: the most interesting information you found in this newest release
1:32:44
Speaker 22: of documents on the assassination of President Kennedy?
1:32:48
Speaker 5: The nine memos about James Angleton that were fully declassified
1:32:51
Speaker 5: on March eighteenth is the most important collection that I've
1:32:54
Speaker 5: seen so far. There is a lot of information that
1:32:57
Speaker 5: has come out. Jim mentioned the Arthur's Classon memo that
1:33:01
Speaker 5: really sets the stage for the alienation between the Kennedy
1:33:04
Speaker 5: White House and the CIA that lasted.
1:33:07
Speaker 3: For the rest of Kennedy's presidency.
1:33:08
Speaker 5: So I would say that the Angleton memos and the
1:33:11
Speaker 5: Slessondrum memo are the most important things I've seen so far.
1:33:15
Speaker 22: Thank you, mister Morley. Do you believe that Oswald was
1:33:18
Speaker 22: recruited and being handled as a source for the CIA?
1:33:23
Speaker 5: I believe Oswa was an agent of influence who was
1:33:25
Speaker 5: manipulated by the CIA.
1:33:27
Speaker 22: Okay, And as I was going through some research, one
1:33:31
Speaker 22: of the things that I found interesting, and please correct
1:33:35
Speaker 22: me if I'm mistaken here any of you guys on
1:33:37
Speaker 22: the panel, But mister Underhill, who was a CIA agent himself,
1:33:41
Speaker 22: who apparently left DC the days after the assassination in
1:33:45
Speaker 22: a hurry. Gary Underhill then confided in a friend that
1:33:48
Speaker 22: a click within the CIA had assassinated Kennedy. He also
1:33:51
Speaker 22: told his friends that he may need to leave the
1:33:53
Speaker 22: country and that he feared for his life. Mister Underhill
1:33:57
Speaker 22: was then found dead six months later. I'm gonna start
1:34:00
Speaker 22: with you, mister Morley. Do you find those types of
1:34:03
Speaker 22: stories surrounding mister Underhill to be credible.
1:34:06
Speaker 5: Mister Underhill was hardly alone in suspecting CIA involvement of
1:34:09
Speaker 5: the assassination. President Harry Truman suspected it. President Johnson suspected it,
1:34:14
Speaker 5: and President Richard Nixon suspected it. So I think that
1:34:18
Speaker 5: Gary Underhill was a man who worked in the intelligence
1:34:21
Speaker 5: community and was in a position to know something. His
1:34:24
Speaker 5: stories not confirmed, but it's consistent with what lots of
1:34:27
Speaker 5: other people thought was.
1:34:29
Speaker 11: What was his title? Do you remember, mister Morley?
1:34:31
Speaker 3: He was not. He was not a CIA employee.
1:34:33
Speaker 5: He was an arms dealer who assisted CIA in acquiring
1:34:37
Speaker 5: weapons and you know, shipping them.
1:34:39
Speaker 11: Do you know how he died, mister Morley.
1:34:42
Speaker 5: I don't know anything more than was reported in the documents.
1:34:45
Speaker 11: Mister Eugenio, do you know how he died?
1:34:48
Speaker 9: Do you Eugenia?
1:34:50
Speaker 11: Sorry about that.
1:34:51
Speaker 9: You're not the first one.
1:34:52
Speaker 11: Yeah, do you know how he died?
1:34:55
Speaker 6: Sir?
1:34:57
Speaker 11: Mister Underhill?
1:35:03
Speaker 6: Do you know how he died?
1:35:05
Speaker 9: Gary Underhill?
1:35:12
Speaker 8: Gary Underhill was just His body was discovered by his
1:35:15
Speaker 8: friend Asher Burns, who was a magazine writer at the time.
1:35:20
Speaker 8: And the door was opened a jar a little, and
1:35:23
Speaker 8: Burns entered the room and he thought Underhill was sleeping,
1:35:29
Speaker 8: But as he approached the body, he saw that there
1:35:33
Speaker 8: was a hole, a bullet hole in his head.
1:35:37
Speaker 3: All right.
1:35:38
Speaker 8: Asher Burns was so disgusted by the investigation that came
1:35:43
Speaker 8: after that. He didn't even want to talk about what
1:35:46
Speaker 8: had happened. But one of the things about the Underhill
1:35:49
Speaker 8: death is that for him to have taken his own life,
1:35:53
Speaker 8: the gun was in.
1:35:54
Speaker 9: The wrong hand.
1:35:56
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, So that was one of the most
1:35:59
Speaker 8: puzzling things you know about that particular case. You know,
1:36:04
Speaker 8: Underhill has been I believe very much ignored, you know,
1:36:08
Speaker 8: by a lot of people, and I'm glad that this
1:36:10
Speaker 8: memo finally got out there.
1:36:13
Speaker 11: Thank you, sir, mister Morley.
1:36:15
Speaker 22: Are you familiar with Michael Francisi, who's a capo for
1:36:19
Speaker 22: the Colombo family.
1:36:21
Speaker 5: I've appeared with him twice on the Piers Morgan Show.
1:36:23
Speaker 5: That's all I know, Okay, thank you.
1:36:26
Speaker 22: He claims that the Mob was involved in this hit
1:36:29
Speaker 22: since the deal between the Kennedy's and the Mob was
1:36:34
Speaker 22: broken after the election.
1:36:35
Speaker 11: Do you find that to be credible?
1:36:37
Speaker 5: I think mister Franzine's contention that the organized crime role
1:36:42
Speaker 5: in President Kennedy's assassination is very clear, and he said
1:36:46
Speaker 5: that it was common knowledge among the crime bosses who
1:36:49
Speaker 5: he had dealt with that their role in the assassination
1:36:54
Speaker 5: was to eliminate the chief witness Lee Harvey Oswald. Mister
1:36:56
Speaker 5: Franzine said that both times when I was on Piers
1:37:00
Speaker 5: Morgan with him, and I believe him.
1:37:03
Speaker 11: Thank you.
1:37:07
Speaker 22: This question is more based on the future, or I
1:37:11
Speaker 22: should say, the present day. After two assassination attempts of
1:37:14
Speaker 22: President Trump within the last year, and the little that
1:37:17
Speaker 22: we now know about Thomas Crooks and Ryan Ruth, do
1:37:20
Speaker 22: any of you guys on the panel believe that we're
1:37:22
Speaker 22: seeing history repeat itself?
1:37:26
Speaker 7: No, mister Stone, I expressed my own surprised that so
1:37:38
Speaker 7: little do we still know about mister Crooks and the
1:37:43
Speaker 7: other assassination attempts, So I am I would see similarities here.
1:37:50
Speaker 11: Thank you. I'm out of time. I yield back.
1:37:53
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I'd like to now recognize mister
1:37:55
Speaker 1: Gil for five minutes.
1:37:58
Speaker 23: Thank you, Chairwoman Lena. According to Pew Research, trusts in
1:38:01
Speaker 23: the federal government is plummeted from seventy four percent in
1:38:05
Speaker 23: nineteen fifty eight to twenty two percent in twenty twenty five.
1:38:09
Speaker 23: That's a trajectory that is utterly unsustainable in the long term,
1:38:15
Speaker 23: incompatible with democratic self governance. Unfortunately, a lot of that
1:38:20
Speaker 23: decline and trust is justified. The JFK assassination attempt. Excuse me,
1:38:26
Speaker 23: the JFK assassination happened over sixty years ago, and we
1:38:29
Speaker 23: still don't have all of the facts about what happened
1:38:34
Speaker 23: that day. Mister Morley, thank you for being here and
1:38:37
Speaker 23: thank you for all of your work that you've done
1:38:39
Speaker 23: on this. Do you believe that the CIA is in
1:38:42
Speaker 23: compliance with President Trump's executive order to declassify and release
1:38:47
Speaker 23: the JFK files.
1:38:49
Speaker 5: No, they are important records that have not been provided,
1:38:52
Speaker 5: like the personnel file of George Joannidi's I should also
1:38:55
Speaker 5: note that as we go through these records, there are
1:38:58
Speaker 5: still redactions in some of these records, and not a
1:39:03
Speaker 5: huge amount, but we have not had full compliance either
1:39:06
Speaker 5: in producing all the records or in redacted or completely
1:39:10
Speaker 5: releasing all the records that were redacted.
1:39:13
Speaker 23: And for the record, how many of the JFK files
1:39:16
Speaker 23: have this has the CIA released since the executive order
1:39:19
Speaker 23: which it was issued.
1:39:22
Speaker 5: The figure of eighty thousand pages is accurate as far
1:39:26
Speaker 5: as we can tell, and that's information from several thousand documents.
1:39:33
Speaker 23: Are those from the CIA.
1:39:34
Speaker 3: Specifically, of the most.
1:39:36
Speaker 5: Of the records that were released last month, about eighty
1:39:39
Speaker 5: percent of them were from the CIA, okay?
1:39:42
Speaker 23: And how many documents do you believe the CIA still
1:39:44
Speaker 23: has that either haven't been released or overly redacted.
1:39:50
Speaker 5: Since we haven't seen them, it's hard to put a
1:39:52
Speaker 5: number on it, but I would put the number in
1:39:53
Speaker 5: the hundreds, hundreds of documents hundreds, okay, And you are
1:39:59
Speaker 5: one of the or most researchers on this topic, in
1:40:01
Speaker 5: your opinion, since the Warrant Commission, has the federal government
1:40:04
Speaker 5: been forthcoming with information related to the jfk assassination. No,
1:40:13
Speaker 5: All of this information could have been released a long
1:40:15
Speaker 5: time ago. By law, all of it should have been
1:40:17
Speaker 5: released eight years ago. So the attitude of obstruction and
1:40:21
Speaker 5: obfuscation from the CIA started on November twenty second, nineteen
1:40:27
Speaker 5: sixty three, when CIA officers started lying about what the
1:40:30
Speaker 5: CIA knew, and that attitude, unfortunately has continued to the present.
1:40:34
Speaker 23: Day, and we've had several congressional investigations related to these files.
1:40:40
Speaker 23: During those inquiries, in your estimation, do you believe that
1:40:43
Speaker 23: any FBI, CIA or other government officials have lied under
1:40:47
Speaker 23: oath or deliberately misled investigators?
1:40:52
Speaker 5: In my remarks, I identified three of them who definitely lied.
1:40:55
Speaker 5: It's beyond reasonable doubt, Counterintelligence Chief Angleton, Director Helms and
1:41:01
Speaker 5: Branch Chief George Joannides.
1:41:05
Speaker 23: And given the amount of uncertainty that we have related
1:41:08
Speaker 23: to these files, do you believe that there's information that
1:41:11
Speaker 23: we'll never know about because, for instance, maybe the information
1:41:15
Speaker 23: has already been permanently deleted or the figures involved have died.
1:41:21
Speaker 5: I'm actually optimistic that we can get to the bottom
1:41:23
Speaker 5: of this matter. We have a new attitude on the
1:41:26
Speaker 5: part of the government. We have President Trump's executive Order
1:41:30
Speaker 5: which strengthens the existing mandates of.
1:41:32
Speaker 3: The JFK Records Act.
1:41:34
Speaker 5: So I think if the Task Force and the public
1:41:37
Speaker 5: and the Congress apply pressure and demand this material, we
1:41:41
Speaker 5: can get it and we can reach a decisive clarification
1:41:44
Speaker 5: about the causes of President Kennedy's assassination.
1:41:47
Speaker 23: Thank you, and I'd like to yield the balance of
1:41:49
Speaker 23: my time to the chairwoman.
1:41:52
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
1:41:53
Speaker 1: Mister Gil Mister Sound, I'd like to ask you specifically.
1:41:57
Speaker 1: In talking with you earlier, you mentioned through women that
1:42:01
Speaker 1: were witnesses that had their testimony testimonies omitted by the
1:42:05
Speaker 1: Warren Commission in regards to seeing Oswald in the book depository.
1:42:10
Speaker 2: Can you speak to that a little bit. Please.
1:42:13
Speaker 7: Yes, it's a very interesting piece of information that we
1:42:16
Speaker 7: put into our documentary. JFK revisited it came out, it
1:42:23
Speaker 7: came out.
1:42:24
Speaker 6: Of the ar. It came out of the ar RB
1:42:26
Speaker 6: or he came out.
1:42:28
Speaker 9: I'm not sure if.
1:42:29
Speaker 7: Anyway, it came out in recent years. Around that time,
1:42:33
Speaker 7: Barry Ernst wrote about it and was interviewed in our
1:42:36
Speaker 7: film in which he says that, in addition to there
1:42:40
Speaker 7: were three women on the fourth floor.
1:42:42
Speaker 6: Who's during the time of the assassination.
1:42:44
Speaker 7: They witnessed it from above and immediately they were headed
1:42:48
Speaker 7: down to see what was going on at a closer angle.
1:42:52
Speaker 7: Two of the women went downstairs quickly. The third woman,
1:42:56
Speaker 7: Dorothy Garner, who was a supervisor, an older woman, watched
1:43:00
Speaker 7: them go down the stairs.
1:43:02
Speaker 6: They were down. All this happened within thirty seconds.
1:43:07
Speaker 7: Oswald was on the if he was on the sixth floor,
1:43:10
Speaker 7: which I sincerely doubt, had to be a track star
1:43:15
Speaker 7: to store the weapon, to run across the floor and
1:43:22
Speaker 7: go down those same stairs, which and appear as he
1:43:25
Speaker 7: did to Marian Baker in the second floor lunch room.
1:43:28
Speaker 6: All of this was highly unlikely.
1:43:30
Speaker 7: And I think that should be addressed.
1:43:33
Speaker 6: Two of the women are still alive.
1:43:35
Speaker 8: See no Victoria Adams passed away. I think Sandy Styles
1:43:39
Speaker 8: are still alive. The Garner it's called the Stroud Document,
1:43:45
Speaker 8: and it has Garner's testimony in it.
1:43:48
Speaker 3: All right.
1:43:48
Speaker 8: This was discovered by writer Barry Ernest in nineteen ninety
1:43:53
Speaker 8: nine as a result of the ar and B all Right,
1:43:57
Speaker 8: and it turned out that the Texas Attorney General Stroud,
1:44:03
Speaker 8: had talked to Garner, the supervisor, and sent this information
1:44:08
Speaker 8: to the Warren Commission in the summer of nineteen sixty four.
1:44:13
Speaker 8: But you won't find it in any of the Warren
1:44:16
Speaker 8: commissioned volumes, even though it's a kind of important piece
1:44:21
Speaker 8: of evidence because Garner said that, you know, she never
1:44:26
Speaker 8: saw Oswald on the stairs, and the two girls went
1:44:29
Speaker 8: down before the policeman and the supervisor Ward truly came up.
1:44:33
Speaker 8: So it's very hard to believe that Oswold was tearing
1:44:36
Speaker 8: down those stairs, you know, and this woman never saw.
1:44:39
Speaker 1: N mister Oswald. All right, mister mister Stone, Sorry, mister Stone.
1:44:50
Speaker 1: One of my last questions for you before we wrap
1:44:51
Speaker 1: up this hearing, would you recommend that the task Force
1:44:55
Speaker 1: send a letter requesting and we see make a copy
1:44:59
Speaker 1: a clear copy.
1:45:00
Speaker 6: Certainly, that'd be very interesting.
1:45:03
Speaker 7: Mister Dean, Eugenie and I saw a film of the
1:45:10
Speaker 7: potential Oswald watching the motorcade go by, which means that
1:45:15
Speaker 7: he was downstairs at the time of the shooting, and
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Speaker 7: that would be very interesting to see, don't We couldn't
1:45:21
Speaker 7: say for sure that that was Oswalt, but it's a
1:45:24
Speaker 7: man who looks like him.
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Speaker 6: So I think it would be a very good idea for.
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Speaker 7: The Task Force to subpoena NBC, which has the original film.
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Speaker 9: Yes, they supposedly have the original.
1:45:35
Speaker 7: Yet they have the original film, they've refused it twice
1:45:38
Speaker 7: to be shown. Yes, and if this task Force could
1:45:43
Speaker 7: easily get that, and American public should should have a
1:45:46
Speaker 7: right to judge for himself who was standing there.
1:45:50
Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I would like to thank our witnesses
1:45:52
Speaker 1: for being here today. There are those in our country
1:45:55
Speaker 1: who may ask why this task Force seeks to pursue
1:45:58
Speaker 1: the truth underlying the facts surrounding these asassination of President
1:46:01
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty three, And the answer
1:46:04
Speaker 1: to that is the truth, even the truth delayed, and justice,
1:46:07
Speaker 1: even justice delayed, is always worth attaining. And the men
1:46:10
Speaker 1: and women who have sought answers regarding the assassination of
1:46:13
Speaker 1: the American President of American President John F. Kennedy for
1:46:15
Speaker 1: all the world to see, have been obstructed and hampered
1:46:19
Speaker 1: by our own government for over sixty years. This hearing
1:46:22
Speaker 1: is not meant to provide a definitive explanation of the
1:46:24
Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination. This hearing demonstrates, however, that the CIA and
1:46:28
Speaker 1: other components of the federal government have not been honest
1:46:31
Speaker 1: with the American people that they are meant to serve
1:46:33
Speaker 1: up until recent efforts, and the American people must hold
1:46:37
Speaker 1: these agencies accountable.
1:46:38
Speaker 2: And they can.
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Speaker 1: I've invited mister Stone, a filmmaker, to this hearing because
1:46:42
Speaker 1: he did just that, motivating Congress in the nineteen nineties
1:46:45
Speaker 1: to pass a law that began with that began.
1:46:47
Speaker 2: The declassification process.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to applaud our President for continuing this
1:46:52
Speaker 1: process as he prompts to do so. Researchers like mister
1:46:55
Speaker 1: Morley and mister Diugenio have provided new information that helped
1:46:58
Speaker 1: bring light to some of the dark days in American history,
1:47:02
Speaker 1: and I would like to think the witnesses again and
1:47:03
Speaker 1: applaud their work. The search for Truth continuers and the
1:47:06
Speaker 1: Task Force will pursue this at any price. I'd also
1:47:10
Speaker 1: like to note that we are planning on sending a
1:47:12
Speaker 1: letter to NBC requesting what you've recommended, mister Stone. Before
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Speaker 1: I wrap it up, I would just like to say,
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Speaker 1: do you guys have any statements in closing for the
1:47:21
Speaker 1: American people.
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Speaker 5: I would just like to thank you Chairwoman Luna for
1:47:27
Speaker 5: your aggressive, action oriented approach to this issue. While we
1:47:32
Speaker 5: diverge politically, it's been a pleasure to work with you,
1:47:35
Speaker 5: and your leadership is important on this. Like I said before,
1:47:38
Speaker 5: I think we are making progress.
1:47:41
Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Stone, or mister Dugenya.
1:47:44
Speaker 6: Thank you chairing Woman.
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Speaker 7: I really admire what you're doing and I wish you
1:47:50
Speaker 7: the best of success.
1:47:53
Speaker 2: Mister Dugenia.
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Speaker 9: It's I think.
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Speaker 8: I think one of the things that the committee should
1:48:01
Speaker 8: do is talk to some of the people who were
1:48:06
Speaker 8: on the AR and B so you can understand just
1:48:11
Speaker 8: how difficult it was for them and why.
1:48:14
Speaker 9: They couldn't complete their job.
1:48:17
Speaker 8: All right, I certainly certainly hope that this committee does
1:48:21
Speaker 8: complete that job, and finally, you know, sixty two years later,
1:48:25
Speaker 8: we'll know everything the government did know about the one
1:48:29
Speaker 8: thing that the gentleman down here asked about. See, very
1:48:32
Speaker 8: few people know there were three attempts on JFK's life
1:48:37
Speaker 8: in November. Okay, there was one in Chicago, there was
1:48:43
Speaker 8: one in Tampa, and then there was the successful one
1:48:46
Speaker 8: you know, in Dallas. The Chicago attempt so much resembles
1:48:53
Speaker 8: what happened in Dallas that if the Secret Service would
1:48:56
Speaker 8: have given all those records over, okay, then the Dallas
1:49:00
Speaker 8: one might have been prevented. At the one in Tampa,
1:49:06
Speaker 8: that one there there there.
1:49:08
Speaker 9: Was just the opposite of Dallas.
1:49:10
Speaker 8: You had Wall to Wall's Secret Service, FBI, et cetera.
1:49:14
Speaker 8: And Kennedy was so happy that he got away that
1:49:19
Speaker 8: he stayed after at the Floridian Hotel and insisted on
1:49:22
Speaker 8: shaking hands with every single officer that was involved in
1:49:26
Speaker 8: that attempt. All right, So these are some of the
1:49:30
Speaker 8: records that are still out there.
1:49:33
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, mister de Genuin and mister Davidson.
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Speaker 10: I'll just thank you again for the opportunity to testify
1:49:39
Speaker 10: and to encourage the Task Force again to take all
1:49:43
Speaker 10: steps possible as this process moves forward to ensure the
1:49:46
Speaker 10: protection of the privacy of individuals who are named in
1:49:50
Speaker 10: these records and to ensure that federal public records offices
1:49:55
Speaker 10: have the resources they need to provide valuable public information
1:49:59
Speaker 10: to the public in a timely fashion.
1:50:01
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I know that, although I do not speak for
1:50:03
Speaker 1: this administration, that I know that, uh, everyone is well
1:50:07
Speaker 1: aware of the social securities and working to the best
1:50:10
Speaker 1: of their ability to ensure that those people are taken
1:50:12
Speaker 1: care of. So that is being looked into on our
1:50:14
Speaker 1: end without further ado, without objection. All members have five
1:50:19
Speaker 1: legislative days within this to submit materials and to submit
1:50:22
Speaker 1: additional witness witnesses or written questions for the witnesses, which
1:50:26
Speaker 1: will be forward to the witnesses for response. If there
1:50:29
Speaker 1: are no further business without objection, the task Force stands adjourned.
1:50:32
Speaker 2: Thank you, M
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Speaker 11: Yeah yeah,