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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-27-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 3: NHL Playoffs for signed Mammoth gear. So, if you don't
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  Speaker 3: have a ticket tonight at the Delta Center to watch
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  Speaker 3: Game four of Mammoth Versus Vagus, go down to seventeen
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  Speaker 3: seventeen South Maine and cash in on the giveaway opportunities
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  Speaker 3: down there. I have not hold on just a second,
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  Speaker 3: let me pull something up because I have not looked
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  Speaker 3: up the get in price for tonight.
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  Speaker 2: At the Delta Center.
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  Speaker 3: Now you can try to convince Ryan Smith, who's giving
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  Speaker 3: away another eight seats in his owner's suite, you can
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  Speaker 3: try and convince that you're the right person to hand
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  Speaker 3: those off to, but I don't know how successful that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be for you. He might have already given
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  Speaker 3: them away. I'm not sure. I do think it's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I know that, you know, there are some people who
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  Speaker 3: roll their eyes, there's some people who cringe. There are
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  Speaker 3: some people who just don't like anything that that guy does.
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  Speaker 3: Don't put me in that category. I'm really happy that
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  Speaker 3: we have an NHL team here. We wouldn't have an
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  Speaker 3: NHL team here if it weren't for Smith Andertainment Group.
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  Speaker 3: It weren't for Ryan and Ashley deciding that they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to use some of their billions to give back to
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  Speaker 3: the community, and they built a lot of infrastructure and
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  Speaker 3: Little League hockey is a thing in Utah now.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, I just.
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  Speaker 3: Billionaire status I suppose is problematic for everyone. But wow,
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  Speaker 3: how about this. The get in price tonight is criminally low.
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  Speaker 3: You want seats eleven and twelve in row twenty one
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  Speaker 3: of section one thirty seven. That's something going to be
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty nine dollars per ticket for NHL playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Lower Bowl is gonna cost you five hundred ish, But
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  Speaker 3: up there at the top of four fifty six three
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  Speaker 3: fifty eight is the lowest in the lower Bowl. That's
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  Speaker 3: a great ticket section thirteen, row fourteen on the attack
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  Speaker 3: side for the Utah Mammoth. It's like behind the goal,
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  Speaker 3: that's a great seat. People, come on, that's you're getting
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  Speaker 3: priced tonight Game four, very much looking forward to it
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  Speaker 3: Friday nights. The atmosphere was phenomenal, incredible, maybe too good
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  Speaker 3: because there were some situations where coach Tourney and his
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  Speaker 3: team had a hard time communicating on the bench. There
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  Speaker 3: were some line change issues and what ultimately was a
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  Speaker 3: four to two victory for the Utah Mammoth over and
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  Speaker 3: a Las Vegas Golden Knights team that looked awesome so far,
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  Speaker 3: has looked awesome for one period of play in this series.
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  Speaker 3: They looked dominant in period three of Game one. That's
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  Speaker 3: where the Vegas Golden Knights and look, I was overreacting
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  Speaker 3: to it the same way a lot of you were.
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  Speaker 2: That's where they.
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  Speaker 3: Were imposing their will physically, they were imposing their size,
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  Speaker 3: they were slowing the game down, they were making it dirty,
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  Speaker 3: they were pinning the Mammoth attack against the boards, depending
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  Speaker 3: the Mammoth defense against the boards, and it was a
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  Speaker 3: twenty minute period of really dominant hockey for Vegas. But
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  Speaker 3: since then, the Mammoth's response has been exemplary.
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  Speaker 2: He has been incredible.
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  Speaker 3: You went up for nothing in this game before giving
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  Speaker 3: up a late period two goal on a power play,
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  Speaker 3: and then another one in the third, but it felt
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  Speaker 3: like it was never really in doubt. Excuse me the
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't a power play goal in any case, Mackenzie
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  Speaker 3: Wieger gets you on the board at the thirteen minute mark.
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Gunther scores on the power play, assisted by Logan
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  Speaker 3: Cooley and Clayton Keller. Then lost in Krause, who's been
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  Speaker 3: absolutely awesome in this period or in this series, I
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  Speaker 3: should say. He gets two in the second and you're
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  Speaker 3: off to the races, and this Utah Mammoth team has
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  Speaker 3: the series lead two to one. They have home court,
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  Speaker 3: home ice, home field advantage now because of stealing one
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  Speaker 3: in Vegas, and you have an opportunity to actually close
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  Speaker 3: it out in five. I don't know if anyone should
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  Speaker 3: get their expectations that high, but the postgame messaging for
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  Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Knights was really interesting in this because
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  Speaker 3: if you were if you were listening to the conversation
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  Speaker 3: that they were having on like their Twitter spaces, if
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  Speaker 3: you were listening to John Tortorella and his team and
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  Speaker 3: the postgame comments giving respect to the Mammoth but mostly
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  Speaker 3: lip service and saying things like all we got to
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  Speaker 3: do is play our game, don't have to make any changes,
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  Speaker 3: got to stay the course. Of course, if you're in
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  Speaker 3: the in the Vegas media, you're saying, what do you
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  Speaker 3: have to do differently? Because you know you're now down
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  Speaker 3: and you've lost home ice advantage in this one? What
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  Speaker 3: do you have to do differently to make sure you
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  Speaker 3: win this series? And the verbal answer from Vegas is,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have to do anything differently, We just have
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  Speaker 3: to stay the course.
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  Speaker 2: Well, after they make that.
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  Speaker 3: Announcement, not really an announcement, after they make that statement,
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  Speaker 3: we find out that they're calling up two rookies. We
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  Speaker 3: find out that they're tweaking their top three lines, we
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  Speaker 3: find out that they're changing their power play lines. So
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  Speaker 3: Vegas is not going to try to stay the course.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to give it something else. They're trying to
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  Speaker 3: give it a different look, and it's real easy if
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  Speaker 3: you're a Mammoth fan right now to start pounding your
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  Speaker 3: chest and saying, all right, we got this. This is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: We've got incredible home ice advantage. This atmosphere at the
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  Speaker 3: Delta Center lived up to those olden days of Utah
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  Speaker 3: as basketball, just crazy, loud, bedlam, insanity, and that's all wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: That's all good.
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  Speaker 3: If you're trying to nitpick and you're trying to really
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  Speaker 3: drill down as to how you make sure you close
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  Speaker 3: out this series, and there's plenty of hockey left to play.
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  Speaker 3: You got to win two more games, and hopefully one
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  Speaker 3: of those is tonight. One of the big answers I
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  Speaker 3: think is you got to make sure that you can
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  Speaker 3: do it for sixty full minutes. The dominance of Utah
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  Speaker 3: in the first period was largely based on Veggie playing
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  Speaker 3: out of his mind and goal. All right, There was
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  Speaker 3: the early portion of the game, the very very first
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  Speaker 3: five minutes or so, Vegas had something like eight shots
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  Speaker 3: on goal and Utah had won and Veggie was just fresh, dialed, focused,
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  Speaker 3: looked awesome, and that he ended up being one of
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  Speaker 3: the players of the game when it was all said
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  Speaker 3: and done, because he had a really great night in
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  Speaker 3: the crease. Thirty two shots, saved thirty of them. Right
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  Speaker 3: at that nine to thirty eight saved percentage. I think
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  Speaker 3: his playoffs save percentage right now is nine thirty seven
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  Speaker 3: or something like that. So he's just he's playing exactly
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  Speaker 3: where he needs to be.
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  Speaker 2: Carter Hart.
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  Speaker 3: Carter Hart gave up four goals on the official this
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  Speaker 3: can't be right in the box score. He gave up
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  Speaker 3: four goals on twelve actual shots on goal.
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  Speaker 2: To borrow from the soccer folks.
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  Speaker 3: On frame shots, carter Hart gave up four goals on
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  Speaker 3: twelve that were in his wheelhouse. If you're the Mammoth
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  Speaker 3: and you're looking to close out this series, you find
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  Speaker 3: whatever was working in the second half of period one
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  Speaker 3: and all of period two. You watch that film, you say,
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  Speaker 3: this is what we need to do. We keep getting
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  Speaker 3: our speed, carrying this puck rapidly through the neutral zone.
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  Speaker 3: We move the puck when we're in the ozone with
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  Speaker 3: the same kind of efficiency. And honestly, I thought that
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  Speaker 3: Logan Kooley in this game probably passed a little too much.
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  Speaker 3: There were a couple of situations where he's charging towards
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  Speaker 3: the Vegas net and instead of giving something for Carterhart
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  Speaker 3: to look at, he tries like a backdoor kind of
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  Speaker 3: a backhanded drop off pass to give someone behind him
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  Speaker 3: a cleaner shot. I'd like to see Logan Cooley take
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  Speaker 3: that instead. But the puck movements and the aggression on
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  Speaker 3: the boards and the for check for this Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 3: team looked incredible again. And now they're up to one
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  Speaker 3: and we're gonna be talking about it. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: walking through it. We're gonna to be getting into it
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  Speaker 3: with Brogan Houston on the show a little bit later today. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The other big news this weekend Thursday night, Friday Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: of course, was the NFL Draft. I put a question
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  Speaker 3: out on Twitter, how you feel about your favorite team's
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  Speaker 3: NFL draft?
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  Speaker 2: Right now?
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  Speaker 3: Here's something that look, you guys know, I'm a Niners fan,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to talk about the utes that got drafted.
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  Speaker 2: Uh H.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel about Dallon Bentley being
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  Speaker 3: one pick shy of mister irrelevant. He's another ute going
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  Speaker 3: to the Broncos. That's been a successful pipeline. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna have a really nice NFL career.
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  Speaker 4: Is that a Is that a devastating thing for Dylln Bentley. Maybe,
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  Speaker 4: oh Man, I was one pick away from getting all
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  Speaker 4: the prizes and all the notoriety that mister irrelevant gets.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not almost irrelevant? Can we call him that? Almost Irrelevant?
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  Speaker 3: Picked two fifty six out of two fifty seven in
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  Speaker 3: this NFL draft, h Jack, Kelly Carson Ryan both drafted.
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  Speaker 3: There were some things that you saw in this draft
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  Speaker 3: that were reflective of the changes.
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  Speaker 2: In college football.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think we're going to see more of
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  Speaker 3: this or we're getting the tail end of it. But
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  Speaker 3: my San Francisco forty nine ers, four of their seven
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  Speaker 3: draft picks had played six years in college football.
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  Speaker 2: Let me say that again.
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  Speaker 3: Four of the guys drafted by my favorite team had
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  Speaker 3: played six years of college football. One had played five
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  Speaker 3: and the other had played all. The other couple had
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  Speaker 3: played all four. That's crazy six years of college football
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  Speaker 3: for Romelo Height and Kaylon Black and some of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's just me paying attention to my favorite team.
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  Speaker 3: On the opposite end of that spectrum, you've got Spencer Fano,
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  Speaker 3: who now gets to play with his brother Logan Fano
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  Speaker 3: in Cleveland. I actually really dislike the way that Cleveland
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  Speaker 3: handled the whole situation because they traded back and still
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  Speaker 3: took Spencer Fano, who again go have a great offensive
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  Speaker 3: lineman career in Cleveland. But the total value difference between
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  Speaker 3: pick number six and pick pick number nine, what do
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  Speaker 3: you think that is in this NFL draft? Like you
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean by value? It's structured right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So the total value of your rookie contract. It like
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  Speaker 3: pick number one, Banana Mendoza, it's laid out in collective bargaining.
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  Speaker 3: His total rookie contract value is fifty seven million, two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy one thousand, five hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Over multiple years. Yeah, over four years, four years.
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  Speaker 3: Now the negotiation comes in with how much of that
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  Speaker 3: gets delivered in an immediate signing bonus, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 3: the structure right now for Fernanda Mendoza's number one overall
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  Speaker 3: contract is laid out very carefully and it goes that
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  Speaker 3: way on down the draft. So what do you think
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  Speaker 3: the difference between pick number six and pick number nine
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  Speaker 3: is when it comes to the total value of the contract? Uh,
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  Speaker 3: like six million pick number six forty one million, nine
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one thousand, nine hundred and ninety two.
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  Speaker 3: All right, to avoid making you listen to me do
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  Speaker 3: mental math on air for the beginning of a show
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  Speaker 3: on a Monday. All right, So forty one million, nine
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty one thousand, nine hundred ninety two dollars
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  Speaker 3: at pick number six, pick number nine, thirty two million,
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty six thousand, twenty six dollars. Make
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  Speaker 3: sure you get that twenty six at the end. Don't
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  Speaker 3: short me the twenty six dollars. It's almost a ten
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  Speaker 3: million dollar difference. At nine point seven million dollar difference,
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  Speaker 3: and you still ended up in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: Dammit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I texted you, not really believing that it would happen,
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  Speaker 4: but like, hey, the Chiefs traded up. I wonder if that.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if they really want Spencer Fano. And we'd
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  Speaker 4: heard Hey, obviously you got a witting Ham on staff there.
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  Speaker 4: Andy Reid has ties to the area and knows Ky Whittingham.
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  Speaker 4: Well beyond that, I'm like, okay, maybe the Chiefs really
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  Speaker 4: like Spencer Fano. Then we hurt right after I texted you, like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: they are they trading up to get Fano? Then I
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  Speaker 4: hear the ESPN guys say, oh, they're they're moving up
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  Speaker 4: to get this guy, like, okay, great, Yeah, that would
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  Speaker 4: have been a much better spot obviously.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at what the what the Cleveland Browns. Again,
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  Speaker 3: my default setting on the Cleveland Browns is I think
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna screw up all of this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that somebody that we really are invested
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  Speaker 3: in seeing some success. I don't want to see that
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  Speaker 3: guy stuck in some sort of like purgatory of no
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  Speaker 3: win football with the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: But I like their draft.
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  Speaker 3: Their second pick in the first round, and we talked
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  Speaker 3: about how they had to and we thought they'd be
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  Speaker 3: picking at six and twenty four and said they picked
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  Speaker 3: that twenty four Spencerfonal still goes there. They got Casey
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  Speaker 3: Concepcion from Texas A and m addressed the wide receiver
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  Speaker 3: need that they have. Then they got Denzel Boston in
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  Speaker 3: the second round with pick number thirty nine. They got
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  Speaker 3: a safety out of Toledo with pick number fifty eight.
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  Speaker 3: He was one of the highest picked mid major guys
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  Speaker 3: in the entire draft. They went offensive tackle again in
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  Speaker 3: the third round with pick number eighty six. Got a
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  Speaker 3: guy named Austin Barber out of Florida. He played fifty games,
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  Speaker 3: he started thirty nine games. Parker Brailsford, the center from
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  Speaker 3: Alabama who was considered one of the best offensive linemen
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  Speaker 3: over the last several years in college football. He's a really,
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  Speaker 3: really good player. They got Justin Jefferson, not that one
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  Speaker 3: in the fifth round that you gotta be excited about
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  Speaker 3: getting Justin Jefferson.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Royer.
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  Speaker 3: Remember down to Pack twelve media if not packed, what
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  Speaker 3: big twelve media days, and we were talking about how
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati randomly nobody expected big things from Cincinnati, but Cincinnati
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  Speaker 3: had like five guys on the Bruce Feldman Freaks List
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  Speaker 3: in the athletic They had these crazy athletes all.
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  Speaker 2: Over the roster, and Joe Royer was one of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: So Cleveland got Joe Royer, who will stay in state
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  Speaker 3: going from Cincinnati to Cleveland. Taylor Green, the former Boise
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  Speaker 3: State quarterback, most recently from Arkansas.
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  Speaker 2: That's who they picked up in the sixth round.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I remember I remember him doing
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  Speaker 4: showing some flashy stuff at Arkansas on mediocre teams, not
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  Speaker 4: being very consistent.
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  Speaker 2: That and then would pick two forty eight.
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  Speaker 3: The Cleveland Browns select former Utah tight end, former BYU
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  Speaker 3: tight end, former UCLA tight end Carson Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: Former American four.
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  Speaker 3: American fork cave man Carson Ryan. Look, it's the hill
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  Speaker 3: that some Utah fans didn't like me dying on last
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  Speaker 3: two years ago. I really did not want to see
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  Speaker 3: Carson Ryan leave the roster, and he did.
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  Speaker 2: And this is why.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's an NFL caliber player. But you get
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  Speaker 3: a little reunion between Spencer and Logan Fano and now
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  Speaker 3: Carson Ryan, who of course is their former teammate as well,
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  Speaker 3: and a guy that they grew up close to, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, competing against all the way through Spanish fork
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  Speaker 3: and Tim Feu and American fork. They're all in that
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  Speaker 3: Utah cattle of forks down.
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  Speaker 2: That's asu.
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  Speaker 3: So now, as much as my default setting has just
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  Speaker 3: been like man, the Browns are finding a way to
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  Speaker 3: screw this up. I like that draft. I'll admit to you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about the Toledo safety. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know a ton about the Florida tackle that they grabbed.
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  Speaker 3: But the rest of those guys, we've seen some good
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  Speaker 3: things from Carson Ryan, is very much like a lunch pale,
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  Speaker 3: blue collar I can fit in with whatever your offense
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  Speaker 3: is type guy the same way that Spencer Fano is.
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  Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, if you were doing what I did
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  Speaker 3: this last weekend and you were just absorbing as much
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  Speaker 3: as you can of the Fano family content, because that
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  Speaker 3: draft party looked like the most fun ever jumping.
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  Speaker 4: In the pool, everybody, no one in swimsuits, just in
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  Speaker 4: their nice clothes, like not quite Sunday Best, but like
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  Speaker 4: it's like a Catholic church Sunday Best. There's a couple
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  Speaker 4: of couple of women were in dresses that you might
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  Speaker 4: see it at your local ward here the obviously Spencer
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  Speaker 4: was in Hawaiian Hawaiian shirt and everything, but yeah, people
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  Speaker 4: were not dressed down for this party.
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  Speaker 2: They're jumping in the pool, they're celebrating.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not here to tell anybody how to
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  Speaker 3: handle their own draft party. But if you have the
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  Speaker 3: kind of network of people that the Fanos have, the
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  Speaker 3: absolute right call is to avoid going to the draft itself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and to celebrate with your people.
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  Speaker 4: Do you see how many people they packed into their
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  Speaker 4: house like that You're not and that's is.
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  Speaker 2: Or is that like a country club. It could have been.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been a country.
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  Speaker 3: Club because it looked like a clubhouse and then a
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  Speaker 3: massive pool.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 4: It Maybe they rented the place out to fit everyone
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  Speaker 4: everyone in, but that's still not a gigantic space for
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  Speaker 4: that many people.
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  Speaker 2: They looked comfortable in everything.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's why you don't go to the draft
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  Speaker 4: because I think you can only take like up to
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  Speaker 4: five or six people, maybe ten peoples.
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  Speaker 3: However, people fit around one of those stupid round tables
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  Speaker 3: that they put out at every bank in cubicles.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: They're just like, yep, here they are.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: You want to celebrate, especially people like Spencer Fano want
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to celebrate with a lot more people than that. On
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: the day that he his life's changed like that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And look, it was beautiful to see. It was incredible.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And to have his brother get signed by the same team.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: To have a former college teammate and Carson Ryan get
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: drafted by the same team.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Now hated rival, now teammates again, they probably love each
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: other again.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: They're probably they probably love each other again. Probably a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: lot of smack talk too. We'll see if the Browns
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: also draft Keanu Tanuvasa next year, please make that happen,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: because remember we talked with Keanu at last year's Big
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: twelve media days and he was like, there were a
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: lot of guys on the team that were like, yeah, man,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: you're kind of dead to me right now.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: They didn't they didn't want to talk to him for
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: they didn't really you know. So he was remarkably open
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: about that. In particular, I'm like, man, that's awkward. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: don't know if i'd share that with that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Everybody just such a beautiful thing to see, and then
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the final family deserves it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: There.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: It's top to bottom is every one I've talked to
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that's associated with the Fanal family. They're really really incredible.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: And to see the NFL dream coming true for the family,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: for both boys, for them to be able to do
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: it together. I mean, I don't know how much thought
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: the Browns put into because it's not like Spencer is
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the kind of guy that like, if we want to
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: get the best out of him, we need to make
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: sure we also bring his brother. If we want him
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to stay out of trouble, we also got to bring
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: his brother.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That's not what this is about.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: The probably the Browns organization in rubbing elbows and talking
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: to these guys was just like, these are the type
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of people that we want involved in our organization.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I wish Logan Fana would have stayed in college another year.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I think it would have served him in his future
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: NFL prospects best. I think it would have served the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: universe see if you tah to have him come back
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: and hopefully have another healthy year. But the fact that
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the final brothers get to do this whole thing together
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: is a story book. It's beautiful, it's wonderful to see.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, Lander Barton got signed to a free
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: agent deal. Tyn know, Tony I got signed to a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: free agent deal. Jared Kump got signed to a free
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: agent deal. Like we talked about. I thought, Moka Fisi,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: we will wait for an announcement on him. Maybe perhaps
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: he gets an opportunity as well. Bryce Duke got invited
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to the forty nine Ers rookie rookie camp. Bryce Duke,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: who saw very very very limited reps a lot in.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: The utah U teams. If I'm not if I'm not mistake.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And by the way, the forty nine Ers are one
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: of those NFL teams that every single year has at
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: least a guy on the roster who that's what he is.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: He's a special teams guy. They value that. They don't
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: expect him to do anything else.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: That's been a forty nine ers thing that you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: teams like the Ravens, the forty nine Ers, the Patriots,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: a bunch of these odds about just like one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: those guys. And speaking of the Patriots, how about Caleb
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Lomu going viral for the funniest reason possible. He gets
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: drafted by the Patriots and then immediately people start overanalyzing
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: his little.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Dance moves that he was doing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the thing in the draft video that they
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: film all the prospects doing the draft video for the.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Bro he's wearing like a track suit and he's being
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: real zesty about it, and a little bit he's like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: he's not trying to look tough and masculine at all.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You know why he's not trying to because he doesn't
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: need to try to. Okay, it's already that because he
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: is a massive and intelligent and very very secure individual.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Who's like, man, I'm having a little bit of fun.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I'm goofing around and to see just do yourself a
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: favor and go look, go search it on Twitter, just
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: search Caleb Lomu honestly, and you'll see a bunch of
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: posts about it. Just the people Patriot fans just be like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, no, like we can't have this
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: kind of guy. Drake Mays being predicted by this guy,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and Will Campbell, I don't think it's like, dude, relax,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: call him down.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Plenty I did.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I did see plenty of like, oh yeah, that's my
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: tackle too.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Like they you had the whole You had the whole.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Range of things from from Patriots fans and presumably Patriots
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: media reacting to that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: My favorite one is, uh, the Will someone. I'm laughing
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: at it looking at it again because he's clearly just
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: he's being silly, and maybe that's not what people want
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: from a six foot six inch, three hundred and thirteen
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: pound offensive tackle, but guess what, that's a man who
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: knows what he's made of and can goof around even
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: in NFL circles, and they're gonna have he's gonna have
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: to do this again for you know, rookie hazing and
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's gonna live odd.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: The fact that he gets to laugh at himself while
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: his dream is I love what we saw from Caleb Blum.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I saw it at least one message saying, just based
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: off that little dance move, not anything else. He's gonna
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: fit right in with Mike, with Mike Rabel's culture because
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Mike Rabel.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Likes to likes the good vibes.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Right, That's one of the that's one of the reasons
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: why they went from worse to first in the NFC
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: East and all the way to the Super Bowl. Uh
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: this season is because it is because of that. But
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: it's just funny to me that that's the that you
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: have that strong of a take based on a a
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: meeting with dance two seconds dance for the ESPN broadcast.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: If Caleb Love was comfortable enough to do this, he's
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: going to be an all pro right away. Yeah, yes,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: so great. Oh my goodness, it's so funny.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I think you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I also think you have to do some other things
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to fit in with Mike Rabel's culture, but I'll just
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: leave that there.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, Caleb man, I'm I'm gonna act like I didn't
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: see this for people, just like not knowing, not knowing
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: how uh and how about this report. Several teams attempted
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: to trade up for Utah offensive tackle Caleb Loman before
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the Patriots also traded up three spots to get him.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I wanted him to end up in a forty nine
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Ers uniform. I was very much looking forward to that possibility.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But the Niners traded out of the first round.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, how close to the Niners pick
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: was he to pick after?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: But they'd already traded out. They traded out, So his
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: wife is excited about it. He's excited about it. And uh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: for all of you haters out there, guess what Caleb
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Lomu was wearing when he got the phone call from
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the New England Patriots that he was being drafted in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the first round.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't pay close enough attention. What was he wearing?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Geene shorts? He's wearing shorts.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a guy like you guys, a guy that big, strong,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: scary wearing jeorts and like that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a fun guy.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: That's a future Hall of famer actually, and then you
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: know what, just based off of that, he's the perfect
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: guy for Mike Frable's offensive line for fifteen years.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, interesting take. I did.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Also, there's lots of there was lots of like this
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: git not even not even on the commenting on the
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: dance video, but just like, oh man, this guy who's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: who's a little smaller like needs to put on more
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: weight and more strength. And Will Campbell that's who we
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: got protecting Drake Man like KUIs, this is his starting weight.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: He's going to They plan on getting him bigger, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: he has the ability in the frame to do so.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I think I think it's gonna be okay.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: If you're worried about Caleb Lomu because you just haven't
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: watched Caleb Lomu's tape.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You haven't talked to offensive line insiders.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: About Caleb lomo Our own guy, Jeff Schwartz and his
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: his crew of you know, Joe More Award people or whatever,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: his buddy Midi or his buddy Duke Merriweather, Aaron Taylor,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: these guys that talk about offensive lineman for a living,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: at least half of them think that Caleb Lomu is
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: going to be the better of the two tackles that
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Utah just put into the NFL Draft in the NFL,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And that's not the disparage.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Spencer Fono he's a top ten draft pick. People.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: You heard the Browns tell him on the phone call, Hey,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we think you're gonna be a foundational left tackle for us.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: That's what the that's why they plan on using him.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: After all that hullabaloo, after all that noise about is
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: he going to have to move inside? Is he gonna
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have to play center? The Browns want him to be
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: their starting left tackle. He played right tackle in college.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It made me think that all that was smoke screens,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because it really felt like the day before and the
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: day of the draft, all of a sudden, we're hearing, oh, yeah,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: he's definitely a tackle.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: After a couple months of is he a tackle?
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: It made me think teams were trying to get him
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: to fall back so they could get him later maybe,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and they they ended up when it came down, so
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, we're gonna have to take him in
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: the top ten.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: None of this is working. Caleb Lomo's pseudo official.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Stats three hundred and eighty three pass blocking reps in
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five season, eight total pressures allowed, zero sacks,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: and number two overall pick David Bailey from Texas Tech.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Guess who he rushed against most of that game. Caleb Lomo,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: so guys, he's a good player. Congrats to the Utes.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Congrats to Spencer Fono, Logan Fano, Caleb Lomo, Dallon Bentley,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know what. Congrats to Jack Kelly, the former Weaver
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: State Wildcat, to Carson Ryan, anyone who's getting this opportunity.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: It's really exciting that we get to talk about it
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and then we get to follow it as these individuals
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: move on to NFL futures. Lindsay Roads from Sumer Sports
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: is going to join us on the other side. Devin
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Jackson in a little draft post mortem. So we'll index
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: heavy on the now completed NFL draft for the next
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: little bit here. Broken Houston has already mentioned is going
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to join us at one o'clock. We got a robust
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: collection of random stories in the Daily Dump today, so
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: don't go anywhere.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: We're just getting started.
• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:37
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• 31:50
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• 31:52
  Speaker 3: A Monday, post NFL Draft Monday, we're lucky enough to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: welcome in Lindsay Roads from Sumer Sports, her and the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: rest of the crew working hard on draft and draft
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: analysis all through the weekend, and she's still kind of
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: have to give us a few minutes here on a Monday.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Lindsey, welcome back to the show. How are you?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Hey? I'm great?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: How are you?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So, you know, did you take a nice deep breath
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: on Sunday and give yourself, give yourself a chance to,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I guess, get away from all this draft stuff that
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: occupied everyone's life for three days.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: I tell you what it's. I'm excited to no longer
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: be asking the questions. I feel like I spent like
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: three months just asking the same questions over and over
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: again in my head and had definitely overthought.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: It by the end.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: And like that last week prior to the draft, it
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: couldn't get here fast enough. So I'm happy that it's
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: now passed and we can start evaluating with the different
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: you know what the moves mean for the different teams,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: and we've essentially got our rosters. So that's a fun pivot.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, because you used the word overthought. One of the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: things that interests me most in the NFL draft is
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: when I see a pick and I'm like, oh, they
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: overthought that one, or that one might have been the
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: result of some overthinking. Was there any pick, doesn't even
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: matter what round where you thought, or maybe it's not
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: a pick, maybe a team skipped on somebody they really
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: needed because maybe they were overthinking it. Did anything jump
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: out for you that would be in your mind overthinking?
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: To be honest, It's also it's all such a blur
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: at this point in terms of trying to figure out
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: team's strategies because we're trying to look at all thirty
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: two and obviously there's a high emphasis on the guys
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: that are going in like the top three rounds, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: so I'm still going a team by team to try
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and figure out if they were able to because there
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: were definitely picks in the first round where I went.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: I did not think that that was going to happen,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: or I wouldn't have done that. But then what you
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: have to do on the back end is sort of
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: look at now once they put all seven rounds together,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: and then even sometimes there were some under drafted free agents,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: like there were some guys that hit free agency that
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: we really liked and had really high scores on as
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: SUMER Sports, and so sometimes it's you're able to address
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the position you thought that they were going to get
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: early on with somebody a little bit later and maybe
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: get some value at some of those positions. There was
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: a draft that I and I know this is definitely
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: not what you asked, but like the Browns ability to
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: maneuver the board in this draft when you look at
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: the whole class is kind of fascinating. They got so
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: many good players. According to our grades at SUMER, which
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: are made up by former NFL evaluators that are longtime
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: NFL scouts who provide US scouting reports, they're very similar
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: to the kind that they would have provided for teams.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Plus we have a mix of analytics and can kind
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: of put all that information together to come up with
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: our own version of a big board that kind of thing,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: and the Browns just crushed it. I think that they
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: may be walked away with potentially six starters, and so
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the depth of their draft is one that I think
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: when you start to look at it, you might like
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: if Denzel Boston, if somebody had taken him earlier and
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: that had been the only wide receiver that they've added
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: to their room, then I would have been a little
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: bit wary of that because I think there's a contested
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: catch element that in my brain goes a little bit
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: sounds a little bit too close to like Keon Coleman's
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: profile coming out, which has not worked out yet for
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: the Bills, and so I have some concerns about Denzel Boston.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: But then when you put him in a room where
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, this is the second wide receiver that
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: we're adding, also adding a casey conception on who's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: very different kind of wide receiver, And now you put
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: them all together in a group of wide receivers, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: now I really like what they were able to do
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: from a value standpoint. So it's kind of a bigger
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: process for me where I try and limit those initial
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: reactions and then kind of look at the class as
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: a whole and whether they were able to accomplished the
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: things that we think that they needed to.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the Browns because obviously the first
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: pick for the Browns draft is a guy that we
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: are very familiar with here in Utah, and they took
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Spencer fondo, not at six where they initially held the pick.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: They dropped down to nine and still got the guy
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: they wanted there. And the interesting thing for me was
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: if you watch, you know the conversations they were having
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: with him, and I get it. It's just a coach
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: calling and saying, hey, we're going to draft you. They said,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: we think you're a foundational left tackle for us, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it's three years since he's played left tackle. Yeah, should
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I read too much into that? Should I not read
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: anything into that, because that's a transition. I think he's
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: an amazing athlete, he's a great player. He's a wonderful,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: hardworking person. But that's a big that's a big ask.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: It very much is. I think that the Browns are
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: a good place for him to go for the questions
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: that our scouts had attached to his profile. And there's
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of upside by the way, but I think
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: that our scouts had concerns about like the what he
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: was the guy amongst the offensive tackles that our scouts
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: consistently were like, I can't quite totally put my finger
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: on him. And part of it is what you said
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: that you'd played right tackle for his last few years
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: at Utah and and you know, so is he an
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: NFL left tackle? We haven't really seen him do that
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: consistently at a high level. We haven't seen him pass
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: protect at a high level consistently because there were such
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: a ground based attack and then there there were we
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: had once got used the word tweener to describe him,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: because just from a size standpoint, he wasn't sure if
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: he was long enough to play offensive tackle, but he
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: wasn't sure that he had the density to anchor on
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: the inside, and so there are questions about where he plays.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: But Mike Mayock pointed out that it's a senior Bowl
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that kicked him into the center and had him taking
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: snaps at center, and he was impressed with his ability
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: to do that and thought that he might actually be
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: a guy that ends up at center in the NFL.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I guess this is a long winded way of saying
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: that there's a lot of versatility attached to him. Now,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: if you're going to take him at nine, which I
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: very much like the trade back and still able to
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: get him, that makes me like the pick even more
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: than I would have at six, which sounds silly because
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: it's just three picks. But the fact that they maneuvered
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: the board and were able to add picks in order
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: to get a guy that they wanted but in a
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: slightly better spot, and they improved their lot in terms
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: of their ability to pick up even more players and
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: take more shots. I just think that the whole thing
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: was really smart. He goes to an offensive line that
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: really needs a lot of upgrades, frankly, and so you
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: ideally want that to be at offensive tackle. The fact
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: that they say that they see him as a left
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: tackle is a really good sign. Even if he turns
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: out not to be a left tackle in the NFL,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: there are so many different areas where he could potentially
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: play for them, And you know, if he turns out
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: to be a long term Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: guard or even center, if that's where they end up
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: putting him, that's not where you would have drafted him
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: at nine.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: If that's what it ends up being.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: But the goal is to make the team better with
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: your pick, and so you give yourself a wide variant,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Like I think that the floor maybe is raised a
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: little bit more when you draft study like him in
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: that spot and he goes to a team where it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: not just like Hey, we just need a left tackle
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: and that's all we need, and that's going to put
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: us over the top and everything else we've got stacked.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I think that the Browns could use help in a
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: lot of different positions. So he is good and he
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: can get on the field that will help them, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: so I like that pick a lot for them.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I'm a Niners fan, and the Niners didn't get any
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: guys in this draft with local connections in terms of
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: their college ball. I liked the draft, but one thing
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that really stuck out for me was how many guys
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: they drafted with six years of college football experience. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I'm curious if that's a by design thing, if you
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: in the scouting departments, if anyone said anything about, like, yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: we really like these guys that have extra years are
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: more developed, or I mean, for we've always talked about
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: that is like a bad thing in the NFL draft.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: He's long in the tooth, he's already had twenty four
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: year old by the time you get him. The Niners
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: drafted four guys with six years, one guy with five years,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and a couple of guys that played all four years,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And that surprised me.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: What do you make of it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure exactly what to make of it, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: they think from a number standpoint, you do want to
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: get some guys that you're getting earlier in their career
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: because the goal is to maximize the value of the pick. Obviously,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: you want players that can hit the field and that
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: can compete right away, and you want to add starters
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: up and down the board as many as you can
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: is ideal, but you also want to maximize the value
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: that you're getting for them at their pick, on their contract.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: And then you want to be thinking about guys that
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: you can get to play for you for the longest
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: duration of time. And so if you're picking a bunch
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: of guys that are already older, then you're just limiting
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: the amount of time that they will be able to
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: play at a high level for your organization. So I
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: think I see it a little bit more like you do,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: but it might also be you know, the Niners have
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: have a lot of holes, more than we're used to
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: seeing them have. But at the positions that they don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: have holes, they have some high end players, so they're
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: in a weird position of being like ready to compete
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: if they can fill those holes. You know, you can
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: go make a run if you're the Niners, but if
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: you don't fill those holes capably, then you kind of
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: might be screwed. And so they might just be looking
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: for guys that are high end producers where they feel
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: really confident they know where the floor is. Like if
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: you produce consistently for a period of time in college,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: then from a data standpoint, there's less There might be
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: less upside, there might be less room for growth, but
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: there might be more of a we know what we're getting,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: And it might be that the Niners are a team
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: that's looking specifically for that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: There's been a lot of talk about body language, facial expression.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Who made this choice around the ty Simpson pick?
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: And I know it's already been talked about a lot,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: and you've probably already talked about it a lot. But
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: where do you net out on the Rams using pick
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: number thirteen for a quarterback that had fifteen college starts?
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: I was.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: I was surprised by it. And I am a huge
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: fan of the Rams organization, the way that their front
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: office works. This is the one them and Howie Roseman.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: These are like the two organizations that I feel the
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: least comfortable ever questioning in any way, shape or form,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: because everything that they do seems to work, so they
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: clearly have a really solid process in place. What it
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: tells me is that people in that organization think that
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: ty Simpson is the quarterback of the future. And that
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: was the big question attached to ty Simpson for the
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: whole draft was you know, he only had the fifteen
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: starts and there is and the red flag that you
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: attached to that is that there is a long history
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: of guys quarterbacks in particular, coming to the NFL with
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: one year of starting it experience and we get excited
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: about them and then it just doesn't work out. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: this is like the opposite of the Niners conversation we
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: just had, right like, there's just not that much data
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: and so you're going off a small sample size. We
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: can think of there are quarterbacks in this draft who
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: if we'd taken them after last year, they were being
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: discussed as first rounders, and then they came back and
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: then they didn't have the years that we were expecting
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: them to have, and then they plummeted in the draft.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: So that one year of experience is kind of a
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: scary proposition. Less need is somebody who I know, it
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: had been reported, was one of the general managers that
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: advised his family that he was going to be a
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: first rounder, that he liked his game. I would imagine
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: that they see him as the heir apparent. You do
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: not take somebody at thirteen if you're just throwing a
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: dart at your dartboard, which is what I kind of
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: thought most teams would be doing with regards to ty Simpson,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: just because the evaluators that I talked to were like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: we really like him, but there was always a butt
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: attached to it. And sometimes the butt was just fifteen starts,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: you know, and we just don't have that much of
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: a sample size, and so you don't know. And that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: scary proposition. But I love the fact that he's able
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: to go to a team where he's going to sit
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: on the bench for a year in a really healthy organization,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: with a quarterback and a coach that's going to really
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: be able to develop him. That is the one thing
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: that this league talks about all the time, is developing guys,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: and then it just doesn't happen. I roll my eyes
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: every time we talk about a quarterback whose skill set
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: and upside and athleticism and stuff like that. There's always
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: like an athletic quarterback like Milroe last year is a
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: perfect example where you go, oh yeah, and then draft
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: him in the third round and develop him because he
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: does need work. But man, once he develops, it's going
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: to be exciting. They don't get developed, They just don't.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: These coaches don't have time. So he does go to
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: the perfect situation there where he can afford to sit
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: without any pressure for one year and then kind of
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: do what the packer have always done, like get that
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: guy early and then we get the best version of
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: them once they are able to hit the field. So
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I like, I love the idea of getting a quarterback
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: before you need one. That is the perfect situation. The
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: only thing that surprised me about them taking him at
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: thirteen in that sense is that the guys that they
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: passed up and so if you are trying to make
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: a run at a Super Bowl this year, which inarguably are,
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: and have the horses to do it, maybe don't even
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: need the thirteenth to pick in order to do that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: They're so healthy as an organization. But the guys that
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: they passed up on, I was like, ooh, that guy
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: would be real fun to have right now, you know
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: they're passing on like offensive tackles. They I'm mineral freeling
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: they passed on Mikaye Lemon, who I thought would have
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: been just fascinating in that organization, and so that was
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: really the thing for me, was just what they were
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: passing on. But in terms of process, taking a quarterback
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: that you think has the tools to be your franchise
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: quarterback and letting him sit for a year, that's best practice.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Our last thing before I let you go, and I
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Have you settled on a favorite pick
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: or a favorite fit, like the marriage that you think
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: is going to work out best between player and organization.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I really like, Gosh, there's so many of them. To
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: be honest with you, I'm a huge MacKaye Lemon fan
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: from a tape standpoint, and I think that there must
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: be some you know, it's like where there's smoke, there's
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: fire kind of thing. Like we heard some stuff after
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: the combine about his meetings not going well. I am
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: likely to believe that that was actually the case, that
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: something went wrong with his interactions with teams, because what
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: we saw on tape was a wide receiver who just
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: from a pure evaluation standpoint, was a game changer. You
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: put the ball in his hands and he picks up yards,
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: turns into a running back as just an exciting guy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: And the type of versatility to go inside out and
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: what a a creative offensive mind can do with that
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: type of wide receips I think is just fascinating. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: the fact that he falls to the Eagles, and then
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: frankly that Stours also was available to them at fifty four.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: My colleagues and I have had a lot of back
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: and forth about what the Jets did versus what the
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Eagles did, just from a comparison standpoint, because they both
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: took a high end wide receiver and a high end
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: tight end and frankly similar wide receivers to a degree, right,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: the guys who could go inside out. The Jets took
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Sidiq and Omar Cooper Junior, and I really I like
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: that combo for them when you put it into the
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: whole package of an offense. But then you also have
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: the Eagles who took Lemon and Stours. We had Stours
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: with the same grade as Kenyon Sidik, and they have
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: very different strength, like literally opposite skill strength, Sadiq is
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: a better Blockertours is a better pass catcher. Sadiq's athleticism
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: is off the charts, so you kind of have to
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: respect him in a lot of ways when you have
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: him running a route. But I just think that that
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: combo of those two guys is such a fascinating example
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: of drafting and prioritization because I think that I think
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: those will be interesting ones to compare as the years
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: go on, like which combo ended up better, because I
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: really like all four of those players. And then the
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: other guy that I really like to go back to
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: the Browns is Casey Concepcion. And I know I'm highlighting
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of offensive offensive playmakers here wide receivers, but
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: he had very high end production. He's very versatile, top
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: fifteen percent targets to every depth of the field. He
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: had a versatile route tree, great with the ball in
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: his hands, average seven point two yards after the catch
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: per catch.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Was a guy who.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Actually played more out wide with a sixty five percent
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: wide receiver ratio thirty five percent slot will probably flip
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: that in the NFL, but his air yard chair is
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: target share, his yards per route run, all of these
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: numbers that are really sticky at the wide receiver position,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: were incredibly high, so I think he was a good
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: value pick for the Browns and somebody that they should
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: be very excited about.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Lindsay, appreciate you giving us some time. Also love that
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: you guys brought Mike Mayock back into the draft analysis thing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I think he's so good, So well done on.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That, and appreciate the work that all of you do
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: over there at SUMER Sports here a great resource for us.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you so much.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Appreciate the chat Lindsay Rhodes from Sumer Sports. By the way,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have the same like cache as ESPN from
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: like a brand recognition standpoint, but if you appreciate the
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: overlap of statistical analysis, game tape study, that kind of thing,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: SUMER does a wonderful, wonderful job of it. And they
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: did bring Mike Mayock back on the draft analyst stuff
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: and their draft show was awesome, So big thanks to
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Lindsay for swinging by. Gotta take a quick one here
• 50:01
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• 50:11
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• 51:05
  Speaker 3: He'll tell you how loud it is. Maybe too loud
• 51:08
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• 51:12
  Speaker 7: Well, I've been in a loud building, but.
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: Let that way.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: We talked last week about how this.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Vegas versus Utah rivalry could actually organically grow into being
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: a real hockey rivalry. Proximity is there playoff matchup now
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: is here? There could not be two more opposite like
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: reputations for cities. If we're talking about Sin City versus whatever.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: The most straight laced, clean cut. The only vice we
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: really embrace here is sugar, cookies and sodas. Another thing
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that's going to help this grow into a real rivalry
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: is when you know guys like John Tortorella, who of
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: course is the coach of this Las Vegas Night team,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: which we did not talk enough about, by the way,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: the fact that the Knights made a coaching change with
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: like eight games left in the regular season when they
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: were headed to the playoffs. If that happened anywhere else,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: with anyone else, it would have been a major, major,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: major store.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, we talked we're not even in the Denver market,
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: And we talked a ton about Michael Malone getting fired
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: basically the same time in the Nuggets season, which we
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: see mid season firings in NHL all the time. Maybe
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: not that late in the season for a playoff team,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: but it happens all the time. You never hear of
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: that for winning teams in the NBA. So, just to
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: your point, we talked a ton about that. In the NBA,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: we didn't even talk about this, And.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I think part of it is because right it's it's
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: still a new sport. Here in Salt Lake City, so
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to be like, if it ain't broke,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: don't fix it, Denver Nuggets. A lot of us hadn't
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: watched enough Vegas Knights hockey to be like, well, this
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: is obviously an upgrade for them, or this is a
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: terrible idea for them, but that's what they did and
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: now towards before this series, by the way, before this
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: series with the Utah Mammoth, everyone was like singing his
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: praises and talking about how this was the right thing. Anyway,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: he was asked about Dylan Gunther and a little bit
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: of a salty response, it's gonna help this become a
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: rivalry potentially.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: From the Desert News. Just when you see Jill and
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: Guther rip the buck like that is there are there
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: many guys in the league that can threw the buck.
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: I got to talk about.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, Broken joins us later on we'll we'll ask him
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: about the vibe when he asked that question, and Broken
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I was sitting right behind him in the press ofference room.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: He was he turned around as like, I think maybe
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: that was my welcome to the playoffs moment. I'm not
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: gonna talk about him all right towards relaxed man. You
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: And the reason I think Brogan felt comfortable bringing it up,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: we can, we can check with him when he's on
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: here from himself.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: But it's because he told a.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Vegas reporter right before Brogen asked that question about in credit.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: He said something like incredible shot by the Gunther kid there,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: and so Brogan's like, okay, let me see if Philix found.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Nope, that's fine, that's fine, that's you want to be.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: This is the time of year to be cantankris if
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: you need to be, especially after a loss on Mammoth Ice.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: By the way, Dylan Gunther, it the management of the
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: contracts that this team has done. Where you got Gunther extended,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: you got Coolly extended, you got Schmaltz extended.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: You've really not only down your young core.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: You bring in Mackenzie Wager, you get him to stick
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: around a little bit longer. It's a masterclass right now
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: because for a lot of the league, not insiders in
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: the league, not like true hardcore hockey like personnel people,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: but for the league itself, the league in general, there's
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: still an introductory period happening with the Utah mammoth and
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: when Dylan Gunther is firing ninety mile an hour shots
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: with precision, there's a lot of people watching that going.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: This guy's got like a top five shot in the
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: NHL and he's still young, and he's climbing this ladder.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: What's his contract status? And it's like, oh, dang it,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: he's locked up for a while. So oh, Bill Armstrong
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  Speaker 3: got us with that again. If you want, if you
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: want to pry him out of Utah, you're gonna have
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: to give some big time assets.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Look, Gunther's game is not perfect. I would like some
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: more physicality from him. I know that that's something he's
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: growing into a little bit. Uh, He's not as natural
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: of a scrapper as like Kooley has proven to be
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  Speaker 3: in this playoff hockey. But from a just like a
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: pure offensive, beautiful shot standpoint, there are very very few
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: guys in the NHL that you would pick over Dylan
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Gunther if you were just sharpshooting. And that's a huge
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: advantage for a team that has to like when you're
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: going up against a Vegas team, when you're going up
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: against Colorado potentially in a series, and they are just
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: shoving you around the closer and closer.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: You get to the net.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: All right, put a guy out there right at the
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: edge of the zone and watch him go three hole.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Beautiful stuff from Dylan Gunther.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I will give you more sound on the draft, will
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: give you more sound on the Utah Mammoth. We'll also
• 57:01
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  Speaker 3: dot Com. Starting our number two with Devin Jackson, who's
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: been a major resource for us leading up to the
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  Speaker 3: draft and obviously now we'll dissect it with him. Devin Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: NFL Draft in the books, Utah for the first time
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  Speaker 3: ever with two mutes taken in the first round, Dyald
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  Speaker 3: Lomu number twenty eight to the Patriots. Spencer Fono ended
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  Speaker 3: up going to the Browns after all, but they traded
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  Speaker 3: back to the number nine pick and got him, and then,
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  Speaker 3: of course, as all of you know, they signed his
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  Speaker 3: brother Logan as an undrafted free agent, so double finnel
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  Speaker 3: treatment for the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about all things NFL draft.
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  Speaker 3: A man who served as a great resource for us
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  Speaker 3: leading up to the draft, and now we get to
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: unpack some of what we saw this past weekend. Devin
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Jackson joins us once again. Devin, welcome again. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Doing great? Thanks for having me on, And I'm definitely
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: well rested after a very busy draft weekend. Was there
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  Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh and a lot of late nights, you know,
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: a lot of analyzing and breaking down picks, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: excited that that's all behind us, and glad that all
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: these players finally landed in They're enough homes.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So before we get into anything Utah related, I'm always
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: fascinated by regional rivalries city versus city hate, in state
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: hate whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And we saw the the Philadelphia.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Eagles slide in slide it in snags, and that the
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers were on the phone with tell me how
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: this all played out in draft weekend?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was insane, you know. And Makayler had talked
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: about a little bit afterward. But yeah, the Steelers were
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: dead set on getting McKie Lemon. You know, they had
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: kind of made it pretty much known, you know, from
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: the media aspect of things. Everyone could kind of tell
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: us the route they were going, and you know, obviously
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Steelers thought so too. So you know, Cowboys are on
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: the clock at twenty and you know the Steelers may
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: get called Mkayelemon. They've done this before in the past.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: I think they were on the phone with Derek Carman
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  Speaker 6: before they picked them. I think Troy Fatano as well
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: a few years ago. And yeah, Philly traded up to
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: twenty with the Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles also called
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: Makaylain at the same time. And Leomen was talking to
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: the Steelers. His agent, you know, took a phone call
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: from Philly and to Philly is trained up to take,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: so he had the in the call. You know, he
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: was on the phone and asking Omar Con, the GM
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: for the Steelers, why he's Philly calling me right now? So, yeah,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: very bizarre circumstance. Also, Pittsburgh being the home, you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: obviously the host of the draft and having that happen.
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  Speaker 3: It was pretty insane, just wild and a little soap
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: opera unfolding there on first round of the draft night
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  Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. Now, now let's talk if you don't mind
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: the I am my default setting when we're talking about
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns is I'm just like, it's not gonna work.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Whatever they're trying to do is not gonna work. And
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: now I have to try to change that because Spencer
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Fono and his brother and another guy with local ties,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Carson Ryan, who played at Utah and at PYU, they're
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: all headed to Cleveland. And uh, you know, Fano is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a guy that we talked about plenty leading up to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the draft as maybe a tweet er. Maybe you're gonna
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: move him inside it. Does he play guard? Does he
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: play right tackle? Does he play set?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland drafted him with the number nine overall pick, first
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman off the board, and then on the phone call,
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  Speaker 3: they said, we think you're a foundational left tackle for us.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me what you think of this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, with Fano's skill set,
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  Speaker 6: you know, if you're going to use him and utilize
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  Speaker 6: his athleticism in space and uh, you know, you utilize
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  Speaker 6: a lot of play action and kind of insulate him
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  Speaker 6: a little bit where you know, early in his career,
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  Speaker 6: he's not taking a ten of one on one uh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, one on one blocks and one on one opportunities.
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  Speaker 6: I think it makes a lot of sense. You don't
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  Speaker 6: take a player, you know, inside the top ten, especially
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  Speaker 6: offensive lineman, if you don't plan on playing them at
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: tackle and making them kind of a foundational piece of
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  Speaker 6: your offensive line. So I think the move is great.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I evaluated Fano as a tackle because I thought, uh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, all along that he was an offensive tackle.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the only uh, you know, really qualms
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  Speaker 6: that people had about was like, if you're going to
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  Speaker 6: play him as interior, you know, how high do you taken?
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I love the pick. You know, seemed like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: meeting up to the days of the draft that Fano
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: was was their guy, and they went out and got
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  Speaker 6: him and got someone that they can build around off
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  Speaker 6: into line.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of an aging offensive line a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the guys that they had there as foundational
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  Speaker 6: pieces are starting to get older, so this gives them
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  Speaker 6: opportunity to kind of start over a little bit and
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  Speaker 6: have someone in Fano that you know, is such a
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  Speaker 6: great athlete, someone that you know, understands and plays a
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  Speaker 6: position really really well. And I think he's only going
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  Speaker 6: to get better with Ton.
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  Speaker 3: The the trivia fact that they decided that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to sign his brother as well. We have seen in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: the past where professional athletes kind of need to be
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  Speaker 3: handled right, and so maybe you you build a little
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: infrastructure around that person because big brother or little brother
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: can keep so and so out of trouble. That that's
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  Speaker 3: not the case with the Fanos. What did the Browns
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  Speaker 3: expect from Logan from a players standpoint, because he's not
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  Speaker 3: just there to babysit his younger brother.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's He's a really strong player too in his
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  Speaker 6: own right. And and I love that he landed, you know,
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  Speaker 6: with with you know, Spencer, and yeah, he is an
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  Speaker 6: edge rusher in college, someone that you know, heavy handed,
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  Speaker 6: players of power, you know, someone that is a really
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  Speaker 6: good run defender, you know, plays and plays a good
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  Speaker 6: technique and is able to slip past blockers. So he's
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  Speaker 6: someone that you know, I think really the only reason
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  Speaker 6: that he's at this point and decided or ended up
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: not getting drafted is because you know, he suffered knee
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: injuries in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and as I'm sure we'll talk about in some of
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  Speaker 6: these other prospects that you know, maybe fell a little
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  Speaker 6: bit further or reflect a little bit higher than we thought.
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  Speaker 6: You know, injury history kind of plays a big part
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  Speaker 6: in your draft projection, especially if it's knee injury. So
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  Speaker 6: I think we found out the or Logan found out.
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  Speaker 6: The talent was always there the productions, especially in twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty five, but I think it's just about the injury
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: aspect of his game. And yeah, I think he's someone
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  Speaker 6: that has a literate chance to Carlodo with Cleveland. You know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's just a guy that's you know,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: around just because his brother is there. You know, I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: think you know, a Logan. I think there's a good
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  Speaker 6: chance that he pushes for a roster spot, you know,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: if he could show out on special teams and show
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  Speaker 6: that he could be a nice depth player in the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: edge rushing room. Obviously that's top heavy with Miles Garrett
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  Speaker 6: there in Cleveland, I think Logan has a legit chance
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  Speaker 6: to make the roster as Udfa.
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  Speaker 3: The other first rounder for the utah Utes, of course,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Caleb Loma, who I was hoping would go to my
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers. They move out of that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: first round and instead he goes to the New England Patriots.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: He has a bit of a viral moment with his
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: zesty dance moves. But beyond that, why do you like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the fit of Caleb Lomo with the New England Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it'll be interesting because I'm kind of
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: curious to see where they're going to play him. You know,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: obviously they have Will Campbell uh there with the New
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: England Patriots already, and he's a guy that that they've
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: consistently said it's going to stay at left tackle. So
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: at right tackle you have a guy like low move
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: that you know could take some time to develop. He
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: doesn't have to come in right away and start from
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  Speaker 6: day one. And I think that's been the big thing
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: that you know, I've kind of talked about a little
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: bit on on the view is that I think he's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: going to be a guy that you know, people see
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: the trades, see the the pathwalking ability, the athleticism, the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: light feet, and they're going to be intrigued by a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: skill set. But I also think, you know, they have
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: Morgan Moses already uh there for New England that's going
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: to start on the right side. He's a little bit
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: older and a little bit toward the end of his career.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: So I think this gives them insurance that, all right,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: you know, if you know, we want to kind of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: rearrange our offensive line a little bit, if we want
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: to move Will Campbell, if he's continued to struggle a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: struggle at left tackle, you have someone like Logan that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: can step in. Or if Morgan Moses go down and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: goes down with the injury or isn't playing well during
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: the course of the year, they have a guy like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: Loman that can step in. So I already like the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: opportunity for him, uh to to sit you know, kind
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: of learn and develop a little bit more. But also uh,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: you know, being maybe one or two steps away you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: from from being in the game and obviously having the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: ability to play tackle, and you know, if he has
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: to play the right side, it is obviously going to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: be a little bit of a learning curve. But you know,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: I think this gives New England some opportunity and some
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: insulation that you know, if you know, say, well Campbell
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: doesn't play well to start the year. Morgan moses, it's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: banged up or doesn't play well. You know, he has
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: someone like Lomu that has opportunity to step in at either.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Spot, staying in the first round and then we'll expand
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: things from there. But was it did you have a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: favorite pick in the first round? A guy ended up
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: somewhere you thought would be perfect for him.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the first round was really interesting because I didn't
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: expect like Carnel Tate to go fourth over we're all
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: to Tennessee. You know, I knew that that they were
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: interested in receiver, but but wasn't expecting him him to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: go that early mansar of delaying being traded up for
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: for Kansas City.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the best, the best fit or
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: my favorite fit is Ruined Bain in Tampa Bay. You know,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: I think, uh, looking at what Tampa Bay has struggled with,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: they struggled to get it to the quarterback over the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: last few years, and they haven't had a premier edge
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: rusher that's someone that could come in immediately, uh and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: and be you know, potential star for them. So you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: I think Ruined Bain, you know, is fit with Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very excited to see, uh how we ll turns out,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: you know, him being disruptive force. They already have some
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: some really good pieces on on that defensive line already.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: Elijah can't see the interior defensive lineman Vita Vea there,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: their big run stuffer in the middle of the defense.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: You at Ruin Bain, someone that can rush the passer,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: you know, push the pocket, uh, and then also be
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: be a style run defender as well. I'm really excited
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: to see that fit someone that that I thought lasts
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: a little bit longer than I was expecting, but he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: lands in a great spot. Uh. And the defense that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: you know desperately needs needs a skill set.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Did he land a little later because of that arm
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: length conversation?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the arm length a little bit too.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: There have been for uh in the weeks leading up
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: to the draft that he was involved in uh kind
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: of a fatal crash as well from a couple of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: years ago. That begins circulating to those NFL teams that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: they've done in their due diligence already. But but yeah,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: I think it's a little combination of both where Yeah,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: I think uh, the arm link consideration. Uh, definitely from
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: from a team perspective, I think, uh, those teams that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: passed on weren't as comfortable with it, And yeah, he
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: ended up lasting a little bit longer. Even a team
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: like the Baltimore Ravens that you know, typically pounds on
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: guys that are falling down the board a little bit
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: ended up not taking him. So uh So, yeah, I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: think it's a little bit about there with being lasting
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: a little longer than we expected.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Who are you surprised to see fall out of the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: first round?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: If anyone, Yeah, falling out of the first round, I
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: mean I had I have to say Jamal McCoy. He
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: lasted all the way to the fourth round, and that
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: was especially surprising, even with you know, there were some
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: from ports le enough to a draft that you know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: his knees and maybe degenerative and maybe a condition where
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: it kind of wears away over time. But but still
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: you would thought you would have thought, you know, he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: tested really well at his pro day, looked really good
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: doing drills. So that was a big surprise. You know,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: someone that people were like kind of trying to figure out,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: all right, he fits probably fits somewhere in the first round,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: but probably. Uh, you know, with the with the knee
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: reports coming out, you thought that, you know, maybe he
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: lasts to the end of first round, early Day two.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: He lasts to the fourth round. So I think that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: was one of the biggest surprises of the weekend, just
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: seeing how far East lived from a potential first rounder
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: office twenty twenty four. Tap ended up being a fourth
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: rounder when it was all done. So yeah, you feel
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: bad for him because the skill set says he should
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: be a first rounder, but just the way that things
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: have gone pre draft wise, didn't work out the combine
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: after sitting out all year, you know, really wayed to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: his pro day to really do things, and then yeah,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: I think the medical concerns there just you know, I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: think led to everything to him falling not only out
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: of the first round, but all the way down the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: day three.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Did one team for you have a marketly better draft
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: and maybe you expected or even then their peers.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Did somebody win this draft truly?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you have to say, it's hard not
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: to feel good about what the Giants did in their draft.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: In the draft class, you know, I think, obviously get
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: a guy like rvl Ree kind of log ins their
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: edge rushing room a little bit, but I think overall,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, you get a player that you can can
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: kind of figure out and define a position, probably plays
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: off ball linebacker at this point. Uh, if you're going
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: to continue to keep kave On Thibodeau, Brian Burns, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: uh you know obviously have Dual Carr who'd be drafted
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: in the first round last year. I love the Francis
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: maloa pick. I think he is a guy that helps
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: her off into line no matter where he plays, whether
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: he plays at tackle, whether he plays at guard. I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: think that it really helps solidify their offensive line and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: you know, continues to build it toward being a more
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: sustainable group. You know, they add a weapon and Malachi
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: Fields in a third round, got a defensive back in
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: Colton Hood, and then you add some some day three
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: picks in sixth round as well that that can be
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: contributed as Jack Kelly from e Yu, JC Davis from
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: Illinois that can play daughter tackle, Bobby Jamison Travis defensive
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: tackle from Auburn that can be kind of a depth
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: piece there. So I really liked what they did. I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: like how they approached the draft and how everything turned
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: out in general. You know, I thought Tampa Bay also
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: had a really strong draft as well. I think they
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: got guys that could potentially have pat the playing time,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: and I think almost in all of their picks, whether
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: this group and Bay, Josiah Trotter you can play linebacker
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: for them, you're one, Ted Hurst can be an ex
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: receiver for them on offense, Key Anty Scott is like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: have a nickel safety hybrid. And then Billy Shraf in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: the fifth round. I think he's a guy that starting
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: games for them offensive guard. So I think those teams
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: stand out to me is really strong drafts. I like
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: what Cleveland did as well. I thought they had had
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: a strong draft as well. But yeah, I don't think
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: anyone wanted per se. But I definitely feel good about
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: like those three teams specifically, especially the Giants Buccaneers, because
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: I think there are teams that, you know, with this
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: draft they can really continue to build on and you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: maybe they may both make a playoff push this year.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: A lot of conversation, Maybe the most talked about pick
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: in the entire draft was Ty Simpson going to the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Rams with number thirteen.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wasn't really sure about the pick. And I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: still am not sure in a few days after the draft,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: you know, to me, like, I understand that you never
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: want to be in a situation where all of a sudden,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: your quarterback, your franchise quarterback in Matthew Stafford ends up,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: you know, falling off a cliff and no longer playing
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: at the way that he was playing before. But he's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: coming off the MVP season. He talked about an extension
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: this offseason. I think they came to one right before
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: the draft, and then you select the quarterback. I just
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: didn't understand the process there. For the Rams. I will
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: understand they're like, hey, we don't want to commit long term,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: you know, money and long term resources to Matthew Stafford
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: as he's getting older. But they did the opposite and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: then took Ty Simpson, and I'm just not sure that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: was the best use of the resources, especially with the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl window that they have open right now, with
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: other potential needs on offense, you know, and even the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball. I was stunned by the pick.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: You know, it seemed like receivers the way they were
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: going to go, maybe the offensive tackle. They decided to
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: go quarterback, and I'm just not sure that Tys Simpson
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: becomes the quarterback of the future. You know, I'm sure
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: they're going to give him opportunity to do so, but
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: how soon is he going to play? You know, kuld
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: wait two years, kuld wait three years potentially if Matthew
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Stafford continues to play at a high level, I just
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: don't see a path of playing time for him for
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: at least two years, and then after that, you know,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: there's no guarantee that he's actually going to be the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: quarterback that was worth taking thirteen No. Overall in this
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: draft class. So I just I just don't agree with
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: the pick and agree with where they are right now
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: and trying to keep the Super Bowl window open, especially
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: as Matthew Stafford's career starts to wind down a little bit.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: If less Need had called you and said, hey, you're
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: going to make this pick for me, what would you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: have done in thirteen instead?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have took a receiver. I mean, you
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: could have taken Mackay Lemmon there. You could have Tooken
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: taken off the tackle there. I know the and had
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: started there. I believe I think Kateen Proctor was taken
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: after Marianoa went ten, and then since the final went nine,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: you know, Kate and Proctor went twelve. Man you could
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: have went Monroe Freeling. You could went you know, Blake Miller.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: If you want to continue to keep the offensive trend going,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: you could have took Kenyon Sadig. You know, you could
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: have took any number of those guys, Casey Concepcion. You
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: could have traded back and waited a little bit to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: see who was going to be available, because I truly
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: feel that Ty Simpson would have been on the board
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: if they traded back, you know, if they waited until
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: day two and trade up and trade up to get
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: to get him, maybe into round one. You know, I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: just didn't feel like the you know, especially with the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: trade that they made. They had two first round picks,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: they traded one of their first round picks to get
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: Trent McDuffie. All the moves that they made this offseason
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: seemed like they were going all in into trying to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: win now and getting a guy like Ty Simpson to me,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: just didn't signal that.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: That's where I met out on it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Also, especially with if you needed Ty Simpson or he
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: wanted Ty Simpson in the first round, it didn't have
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: to be at thirteen, like you just mentioned.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: You could have had him in the twenties somewhere most likely.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: But you know, they pay these guys the big bucks
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: to figure it all out, and the Rams have been
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: a good example recently of roster management, so maybe we shouldn't.
• 1:16:20
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• 1:16:27
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• 1:16:34
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• 1:16:45
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  Speaker 3: Houston is going to join us at one o'clock. Brendan Soorsby,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: the former Cincinnati quarterback, and we saw how good he
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: is as an individual performer. If Cincinnati had depth, if
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: they had like a well balanced roster. Instead they had
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: like five six unbelievable players and they just didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the presence in the trenches for the most part. But
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  Speaker 3: Brendan Soorsby was one of the He was the top
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: available quarterback in the transfer portal. This last offseason, he
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: goes to where else, Texas Tech, allegedly being paid over
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: five million dollars to finish out his career with the Raiders,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: and Brendan Soorsby is checking into a residential treatment facility
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: for addiction. Not for opiates, not for alcohol, not for
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: any illicit drug, but for gambling. Brendan Soorsby is checking
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: in for a gambling addiction.
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  Speaker 2: This is.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I hate to be cynical. This this reeks the screams
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: of pr move. What happened here is that people caught
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: wind of and I say people, investigators, This is not
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: a law enforcement situation. This is not BET's being flagged
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: for corruption. This is not somebody who's got to fix
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: in And this is why we have to stop these
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: things from happening. This is somebody close to Brendan Soresby
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: probably dimed him out, told a reporter, hey, this guy
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: bets all the time, whatever, and so reporters started to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: into it. Pete Nakos seems to be the one who's
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: done a lot of the legwork here, but it's been
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: confirmed that Brandon Soresby is gambling all the time. He
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: gambles on live pitches. He's sitting at Cincinnati Red Games.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: And putting it.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I bet a dollar that this pitch is going to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: be a strike. I bet two dollars that this is
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: going to be a ball. Whatever, it gets problematic for
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech and for Soresby, and that's to me, that's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: why they've decided to go the extreme measure here of
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: a residential treatment facility. But I don't know how you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: detox from gambling. I'm ignorant to the process for this,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: but checking into a place I guess to limit your
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: internet access and you probably don't have your phone with
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: the gambling app on your phone or whatever in order
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: to stop you from gambling. If it's really truly gotten
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: that bad, or maybe he's lost a ton of money
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: and he's squandered all of these nil opportunities and the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: head start that he should be getting, because it's not
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: like he was making zero dollars at Cincinnati. He was
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: paid well at Cincinnati too. And now I mean he's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: in a position where he could leave college even if
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: the NFL doesn't work out for him as a multi millionaire.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: If the gambling got so bad that he really needs
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: to figure that level out, then I will eat Crow.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: But this reeks to me of a pr move because
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: there's there's an important detail here. Brandon Sooresby, before it
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: being at Cincinnati, was a two year player at Indiana.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: He played one game his true freshman year at Indiana.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: He red shirted that year. He used the the out
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: to get the You know, you could play it up
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: to four games at that time and not have it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Burned your eligibility. Year he played.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: He did not bet on the game in which he played,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: another important distinction, But he was betting on Indiana games
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: while he was a student athlete at Indiana. That could
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: take eligibility away from Brendan Soorsby. That could put him
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: out of competition for Texas Tech this year. If I'm projecting,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: if I'm predicting, I will say it probably won't. They'll
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: hire the best possible lawyers. They'll say, look, he really
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: just was trying to get out ahead of this thing.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: There was no criminal investigation. There is no suggestion that
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: he was fixing games, that he was trying to influence
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: the outcome of games. But Brendan Sorosby was betting on
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: games that he participated in or sorry, he was betting
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: on games for a team he played for.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 7: That is.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: That's a no.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that the NCAA has, Even as they've
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: kind of welcomed the betting world in, they've said, we
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: don't want this.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: To have Yeah, and I'm at least how it's stuff's
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: written on the books as I understand it. It does
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: not say it's okay if you're a red shirt player
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: you're not actually playing. It's it's it's pretty clear about
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: if you're on the team and you're placing bets about
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: the team that you are on, that is a violation, violation.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: If you're a student athlete, you're not allowed to if
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: you're not allowed to bet at all. Yeah, on college
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: you're not allowed to bet on college sports at all.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: They did just recently say that you can bet on
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: pro sports, which I think, like that's ridiculous. Don't let
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: him bet at all, the slippery slope. But but college
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: sports is the big no.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Look, here's the thing that is the important detail.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, he bet on Indiana to win, and he didn't
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: bet on the game that he played in Okay.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: But that is.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: If you're trying to throw a book at him. Here,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: if you're the NCAA and you want to make an
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: example out of break and Soresby, you're the college sports commissioner,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: you whatever made up organization that doesn't have any power anymore,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: and you want to seize some back, and you want
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: to say no, Texas Tech is right now, they're a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: college football Playoff caliber program. They're a big story because
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: of the money and the resources and what that has
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: done for them on the basketball front, on the football front,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: on the softball front. Right, if you want to make
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: an example out of him, you're you're honing in on
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: that exact thing. Hold on, this is a student athlete
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: who knew the rules and decided he was going to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: skirt the rules.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: He's betting on.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: College sports, even college sports for a team he played for,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: and by the way, for him personally, this is something.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 7: This is a guy.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much money he's won or how
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: much money he's lost, but this is a guy who's
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: got a pattern of betting. He can't there's no case
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: for him to go forward and say, well, just every
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: once in a while, I get a little bit bored.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: So I throw.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: He seems like he bets on everything baseball, basketball, football,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: college ball, whatever. That is a no, no.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: That is a rule in the.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Excessively permissive landscape of college athletics right now, where you
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: can do pretty much whatever you want.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: This is one thing that they might try to make
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: an example out of.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: But even if they do, I don't think they're going
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: to be able to because if he were just a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: student at Cincinnati with sports betting legalized now, if he
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: were just a student at Texas Tech with sports betting
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: legalized now, he could do it. And the thing that
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: the litigation that every school fears is that, well, I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: got a fight to maintain my right as an institution
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: to treat student athletes different than regular students. Regular students
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: can transfer whenever they want, student athletes were not allowed to,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: and student athletes finally said, you know what, if anyone
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: can do it, so can we. And the NCAA realized
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: that they can't win that battle anymore. They can't win
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: that fight. We we'll do our best and we'll put
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: windows in where you can do it. We'll try to
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: punish the ghost transfers. If you try to skirt those rules.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: This is one of those things that Texas Tech saying
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: all the right things right now. Hey, we care about
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: him as a person, we care about his mental health,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: we care about They want Brandon Soresby desperately to be
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: eligible for this upcoming season. The timing of this springball
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: is over. Practice is done. Coaches can't really do anything
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: to work with you anyway. All you're gonna miss here
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: while you check in for a month to your residential
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: gambling treatment facility is like, he's probably taking one class
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: at Texas Tech right now.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: This is a big deal.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: The starting quarterback of the presumed number one team in
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve might not be eligible next year because
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: of gambling, because of betting on college sports and betting
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: on college football more specifically, and by the way, even
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: if you're not betting on your own team and games
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: that you're playing in. If you're a college football player,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: if you were at Indiana, you're at Cincinnati, your old
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: high school buddy is playing for Notre Dame. You have
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: insider information that nobody else can get. That really shouldn't
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: matter that he wasn't playing.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna try to throw a book at
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: him here.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know how good his lawyers have to be
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: to get him out of it. But man, if he
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: is not eligible, remember, they can't go to some transfer
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: portal and get somebody else to come in.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: They can try to they can try to do a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: very sneaky ghost transfer, I suppose, But I don't know
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: about that either.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Is that kid?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Is that kid who just wrecked everything for the Utes?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: The backup quarterback?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Oh Hammon? He is Hammond still on their roster? Think
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: he left? I think he was in the portal. I don't.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know where he ended up. Let me check here,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm looking it up too.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Let's see scrolling down to the QBS on the roster
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: Brendan soorsby Lloyd Jones.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Will Hammond was on the spring roster.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: So okay, so he so maybe maybe you got the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: wrong information there. All right, Well, never mind, they might
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: be fine.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Everything I just said they're gonna be fine, will happened
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: was an absolute killer?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Wow? What if he turns into a pumpkin?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you never know.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, uh So, just keep an
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: eye on that developing story. Brendan Soresby checking into a
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: residential treatment facility for gambling addiction and h he's temporarily
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: he's on pause with the Texas Tech men's football team
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: right now. We got this announcement over the weekend. The
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: Winter Classic is actually not gonna be twenty twenty seven
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: like we were promised, because it's gonna be New Year's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Eve twenty twenty sixth December thirty first at Rice CycL Stadium.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Gary Betman Ryan Smith made the announcement before Game three
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: that the Winter Classic will be played at Rice CycL
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Stadium on New Year's Eve.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so this year it's happening this calendar year technically
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: and Ryan Smith. While they were making that announcement, Ryan
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Smith added that this is this.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Is on a on a weekend.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: New Year's goes over a weekend here, and he wants
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: to have activations similar to what we saw NBA All
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Star weekend what two years ago, So he wants to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: do something like that where the whole city is there's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: stuff to do, hockey related, NHL related because of the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: Winter Classic. He also mentioned we're gonna have the' there'll
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: be some kind of concert at the Delta Center. This
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: same day, So he's like, go to the game at
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: Rice Cycle Stadium, and he's like, it's not one ticket
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: gets you to both events, but.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: You've got a ticket.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: If you're able to get a ticket to whatever the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: concert is, whoever it is, it's playing Delta the Delta
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: Center later that night, you'll be able to do both.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: So it sounds like it'll be at least Ryan Smith
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: intends to plan a huge like weekend party around the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Winter Classic, which sounds pretty cool.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of how you should do it,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: right if you're hosting. This is besides the Stanley Cup playoffs.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: This is the showcase event every year for the NHL. Now,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't say that because we had the Olympics
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: this last year and we had four nations, and maybe
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: four Nations is gonna become more of a staple and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: become an even bigger deal.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure that'll be an every year thing.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: They didn't really at least maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I missed.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: It didn't really announce how often the four nations will
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: be when after or during that first four nations, But
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be it obviously wasn't this
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: year because he had the Olympic break instead. I'm not
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: sure it'll be every year that they won the gold medal,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: by the way. Yeah, by the way, just in case
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: you forgot gold medalist. I actually would like the Four
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Nations to be an every year thing, but she had
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: to be not an Olympic year.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Have it be a different four nations?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Usa, Canada, and then like you know, Chechia gets
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: involved this time or whatever it was, Germany, Sweden and Finlandland.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, Sika, it's gotta get Russia back into it. Yeah.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: I know that they're not because of the political problems,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: because of the the war in Ukraine and trying to punish.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Russian representation on a global stage right
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: now because of that.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's important for the NHL to be like,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: we're not the Olympics, though, so we can do something
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: like that if we feel like we want to.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: I feel, I mean, I don't know how people feel
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: about this. I performative politics is like my least favorite
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: thing in the world. So I promise that's not what
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: I'm doing here. When it comes to we're talking about
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: in this case, we're talking about Russian athletes in the NHL. Okay,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: we're not talking about amateurs that are living in Russia
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: for the most part, Like most of these guys at
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: least especially I mean obviously during the season, they live
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: in the United States of America, right, And most of
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: them all year round live in the United States.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: And we're Canada, depending on the team they're on, and.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: We're Canada, Like, I would not be averse to a
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: Russian team competing and trying to win for the sake
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: of themselves, for the sake of their like, hey, we
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: are the best collected group of hockey player and I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: understand why you wouldn't want to give a platform to
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: a regime that you don't support.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's like for me.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: You have to especially professional sports, like you said, James,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: is not the Olympics. Professional sports, you have to be
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: able to like extricate one from the other, even if
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: they were just like, hey, come up with your own
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: flag Russian athletes, and will like have you play under
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: that so that Vladimir Putin can't wave it around and
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: say our guys did this whatever.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's also something you can't control.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're punishing You're punishing Russian athletes for being
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: from a country that they may or may not support
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: the leaders of anyway.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: You had a lot of like, bellow, rush you say Belarusian,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but players like tennis players from that
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: region who not from Russia but from a region that
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: Russia still kind of controls in some way.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, being banned from Wimbledon the.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: First year was at twenty twenty two, the first year
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: that the war war broke out in Ukraine, and a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: lot of like, wow, really, I can't I'm not I'm
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: not in the Russian government. I'm just like, I'm just
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: an athlete. That happens, and and some of them, like
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: I said, not even from Russia, just from that region.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a tough deal. I understand.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I understand how complicated it can be. It can get
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, so we're gonna be per we
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: don't want to look like we're gonna be too permissive here.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: But also like, I don't know, if you punish professional athletes.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Just just how thing we would think, how we would
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: feel in the United States of America if the Olympics
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: or some like or Wimbledon. I think Wimbledon's a good example, right, Like,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: what if Wimbledon was just like, hey man, we really
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: don't support what's going on with this Iran conflict. American
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: athletes are not welcome at Wimbledon this year. Imagine how you're, like,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: our country would feel about that, the athletes from our country,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: how they would feel about like, how.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Many of them expect what are you talking about?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: I don't support any of this either, especially because we
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: live in a country where these where there's a lot
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: of these athletes that are saying I don't support this
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: publicly where because Russia is not necessarily that kind of place,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: so we didn't hear that.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: I think that it's safe to assume that even though
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: they're not as allowed to have that kind of free
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: speech in a place like Russia as they are here,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: that it's safe to assume that there's a lot, if all,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: if not all, of these athletes probably disagree or like,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: that's not me making that choice.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: I I truly have no idea the politics of whatever athlete,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: And by the way, they're not all the same. If
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: you went and you grabbed twenty five guys to put
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: on a Russian four Nations roster for an NHL showcase.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: There's probably ten of them who love Putin. There's probably
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: ten of them who hate Putin. There's probably five of
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: them who don't care and just don't want to be
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: asked about it. Who knows, right, the same cross section
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: that exists in American athletics, I would imagine on some level,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: I won't have to imagine. I can tell you this
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: is true. We have a grip of Russian fighters that
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: I work with on a regular basis in the sport
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: of MMA and in the PFL specifically, And the few
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: times we have gotten into conversations politically about certain things,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: like you're sometimes I'm sometimes surprised by what their reactions are,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, gro I know, and these are fighters,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: like these are some of them who've been like former
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: military dudes, and they're just like, please, we just need peace.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: We want like a guy we had a guy from Iran.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: We have a guy from Iran who told us before
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: any of this stuff broke out, how needed a change
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: was in Iran. And I was like, I'm distant from
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: international politics, geopolitics or whatever, and he was explaining it
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: to us in Dubai why he was not wearing the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: Iranian flag on his shorts because he didn't want to
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: represent that regime. So maybe the Russian players would not
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable with the Russian flag on their uniform. I
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: don't know, but it feels to me like in professional athletics,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: not the Olympics, which they try to pretend it's not political,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: but it very much is. Russian athletes have to compete
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: under a neutral flag right now for the Olympics, right
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: in the NHL, you could do it however you wanted to.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: There's great players, not good players. There are great players
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: from that background, from that nation. In a four nations
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: I would like to see Canada, USA blank flag.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: We know what it is.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Nudge, nudge, wink wink and check yah boom there you go. Yeah,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: and like you say, Russia.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Right now the the hockey world is the perception is
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: it's it's Canada in US right now we're on top.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: Suck at Canada, But for for a long time it's
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: been Canada, right and before that it was Russia and Canada.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: I think, if not for this, if not for this band,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: because of what's going on over there, Russia would be
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: in that mix right next to us and Canada. Is hey,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: any given year in the Olympics or these international competitions,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: they can come away with the gold. We've kind of
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: forgotten that because they've been kind of banned from these
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: kind of things. So it would be cool to have
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: them back just for the pure competition part of it.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: But circling back to the hockey story that belongs here
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: in the Daily Dumb, Yeah, New Year's Eve Winter Classic.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: Do we want a fifty degree winter day like we
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: had so many of this year or do you want
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: it to be cold, blustery, snow, a real mountain winter
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: day for that Winter Classic.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's the answer.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: I think, I think absolutely, especially because it's it's outside
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: and it's hockey.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: You want it.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: You don't want it to be You don't want it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: to be like the the game that was just in
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Florida where they had to like put a dome over
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: it to keep to keep it the ice actually frozen
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: before the game started. You want to you want Utah
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: to show, hey, we're still a winter climbing out here.
• 1:40:25
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• 1:40:28
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• 1:40:34
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• 1:41:03
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• 1:41:08
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• 1:41:11
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• 1:41:14
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• 1:41:18
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• 1:41:33
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• 1:41:36
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• 1:41:41
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• 1:41:48
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• 1:41:52
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• 1:41:55
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• 1:42:43
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• 1:43:28
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• 1:44:07
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• 1:44:16
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• 1:44:20
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  Speaker 2: Broken Houston, Welcome back to the show. How are you sir?
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  Speaker 7: Hey guys, I'm doing really well.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Are you doing awesome?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: Before we get to anything that happened in the game,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: let's go to postgame press conference. You asked John Tortorella
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: follow up question about Dylan Gunther's shot, and he shut
• 1:44:39
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  Speaker 7: That's right. I think a lot of reporters over the
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: years have had that exact question. Problem. He's a little
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: bit known for being a little bit fiery, especially after
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: a loss, and apparently he doesn't like to pump the
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: tires of the other team, So I'll take that out.
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  Speaker 2: That's on me.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: It's totally fine. I thought you asked a good question.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: If he wants to be grumpy about it, that's on him.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: So that's right.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the game itself.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: Obviously, this Mammoth team coming back to the home ice
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: one to one was massive in its own right, but
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: then they started hot against Vegas, and even after a
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: slight push late second early third from the Golden.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: Knights, it just was wired to wire.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: A really nice game for the Mammoth and weirdly, we'll
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: get to this not with a lot of shots, but
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: they scored four goals. So tell me what you saw,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: especially early in that game against Vegas on home ice.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think I think the shot clock is
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: a little bit deceiving. And here's why. I was talking
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: to one of Utah veterans last night yesterday, sorry, I practiced,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: and he was telling me like, yeah, we had like
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 7: eight or nine shots that were taking off the board
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: because they go back afterwards and review them and see
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: if they were after the shot tu goal. And so
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 7: I think it's a little bit misleading in the sense
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: that if the if the folks that are doing the
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: stats believe that the puck would have missed the net
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: when like it had the goalie not shopped it, Like,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: if they believe it would have missed the net if
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 7: the goalie hadn't gotten in the way, then they take
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: it off the shot clocket. And so Utah had a
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: ton of instances of that where you know, they maybe
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: would have missed by a couple of inches and it
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: went wise. And so you know, I think I think
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: it's a little bit deceiving. It's not that they couldn't
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: get pucks on net. It's just maybe their shot was
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: a couple inches off and whatever. Who cares, right, So, like,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 7: I don't think that Vegas dominated possession. I don't think
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 7: Vegas dominated the shots. Utah had forty three attempted shots
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 7: somewhere around there, but only twelve of them I think
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: hit the net for the SATs people. So, you know,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: I don't think that the stats are the entire story.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: What is the story is. You know, obviously the goaltending
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: wasn't there for Vegas, but Utah also capitalized on all
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: of chances. And that's what you have to do in
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: a playoff series. It's a long series and a lot
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 7: of things can happen, and so you got to take
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: your opportunities when you get them, and that's exactly what
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 7: Utah did a good job at this last game.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: So after that third period in Game one, it was
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: pretty clear that those twenty minutes were disastrous for Utah
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: and that whatever the response was going to be had
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: to make sure that those twenty minutes didn't replicate themselves
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: over the next few games in the series. And look,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: it's been successful since that third period. Utah a close
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: game in Game two, but they get to win.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Obviously.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: Game three, they looked really, really good and they jumped
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: out to a big lead. What were the adjustments if
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: they made real adjustments. I mean, you're at practice, you're
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: watching this team, you're talking to these guys. What adjustments
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: were made if any?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's I mean, I'm sure your journey if you
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: if you pumped him full of truth, truth, thereum and
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: and ask them what happened, I'm sure he would have
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 7: a lot of good answers for you. But it's it's
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: a situation where and he was just explaining this today
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: at practice where you know, he doesn't want to tell
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 7: us anything because he doesn't want the other team to
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: go and say, oh, well that's what they're gonna do.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: So here's what we have to do to count, right,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 7: And so it's you know, from a from the standpoint
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: of talking to people and asking what are you doing differently?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 7: The answer is always, well, it's a playoff series. We
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 7: can't we can't tell you that right now. But what
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: I have seen is a lot more tendency to play
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: Utah's game rather than play Vegas' game, if that makes sense.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: So in game one, I wrote about how Logan Cooley
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 7: turned into this monster and he was punching people in
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 7: the face and he was getting death threats, death threats,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: and you know, he was he was playing like a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 7: Matthew Kachuck style playoff game and it was good. But
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: that's not Logan Cooley's style, and that's not Utah's style
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: in general. And the two games that Utah has won,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: they've stuck to their things that have gotten them to
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: the playoffs in the first place. It's especially their speed,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: the way they can move the park. Obviously Dylan gun
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 7: the doing what he can do with that shot that
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: Torts didn't want to talk about. All those all those
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: things that made Utah successful in the first place. I
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 7: think they've they've gotten back to that. Whereas in the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: in Game one, it was all physical and it was
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: all getting into the into the corner battles and the scrums.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: And Utah is just not a big team. They're not
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 7: a physically matured team in terms of muscle and that
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 7: kind of thing. Like a lot of the guys are
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: young and small, and so they they aren't going to
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 7: win the Stanley Cup if they have to play, you know,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: up to twenty eight games or whatever it is. That
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: it takes to win the Stanley Cup, and so they
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: have to stick to what got them there in the
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: first place. And I think that's what they've done these
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: last couple of games that they've won.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: That speed advantage that they have, especially when you get
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: yet guys, you know, skating anywhere eighty to one hundred
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: and ninety feet with it and it doesn't happen a ton,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: but when we see it, we usually see it from
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: guys like Connor McDavid, and you see it from these
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: megastars in the league that have the ability to navigate
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: through traffic while they're going full tilt, And it seems
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: like there's a couple of Utah Mammoth players that are
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: capable of this. Is that something that you can continue
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: even in Game four? Is that something that can continue
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: for the rest of this series, however long it goes.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Is it something that you can carry through the whole
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: Western Conference playoffs? Can Can this Mammoth team lean on
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: its speed and maybe, for lack of a better term,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: finesse instead of the physicality that seems to dominate playoff hockey.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: You definitely need a lot of bulk, and Utah has
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: some bottom six guys that are capable of playing that game.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: We saw how effective Leo m'brien has made his minute,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: even though he's only playing seven minutes a game. Maybe
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: you know, you notice him every one of those seven
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: minutes that he plays, and I think that, like, they
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: have guys that will play that role, but you can't
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: necessarily have Logan Foley, you know, bomping somebody in the
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: phase every other shift. You know, it's it's good for
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: the manas that he can step up and play that
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: way when necessary. But if he's playing the entire playoffs
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: like that, he's going to get worn down. And he's
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: already beaten up from the regular season. He had that
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: that Team three that took him out for twenty nine
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 7: games I think it was in the in the regular season.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 7: You know, he's already banged up. He's already not the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: biggest guy in the world and not maybe not the
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: strongest guy in the world. Forgive me, Logan, if you're
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: listening to this, which I know you're not, but you
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: know so, I think that you know you do. You
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: always need a little bit of that in the playoffs.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: But like I think back to I watched the Vancouver
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: canuts a lot as a kid, and they had some
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: really deep playoff runs. They lost in Game seven in
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: the Samley Cup final in twenty eleven. And they're offensive
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: players were Hendrick and Daniel Sedin, a pair of Swedish
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: twins who played a Swedish style of hockey. Like they
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: just they were excellent passers and they would not get
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 7: in any strums, you know, in front of the net,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: not them, like, didn't play in the corners, didn't do
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: any of that stuff that you think of as playoff hockey.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: But they had some playoff success and that was just
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: their style of play. And I think that's kind of
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: how uties to the They're a lot faster than that
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: that team was that I was talking about, but they
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: had that same finesse type of style. And if they
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: can stick to those things that got them there and
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: the things that have made them successful, that's how they're
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: going to win the Seamon Cup. Maybe not this year,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: it could happen this year, but you know, eventually, once
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: they're in that top contention window, you know, that's that's
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: what it's going to take, is sticking to what they
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: do well rather than trying to change their games when
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: they get to the playoff.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: Brogan Houston is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: shell Talk and Utah Mammoth as they get ready for
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Game four tonight against the Las Vegas Golden Knights. The uh,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: the role that JJ Paterca is playing. Are they getting
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: as much out of him as they thought they would
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: when they made the trade?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 7: You know, he's he's been a bit of a one
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: eighty type of player this year. So last year, and
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: I wrote about this a little bit at the end
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: of the season. Last year, JJ was a seventy plus
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 7: point player, almost a point per game, and he was
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: a spebi and he could shoot the puck like nobody else.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: You know that that was the solid game that he played.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: This year, he didn't have quite the same offensive season.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: I think he ended up somewhere around sixty points. Maybe
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: right around there. Still a good productive season, but maybe
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: not exactly what you expect out of a top six.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Forward I sat in the regular season, okay, so yeah, even.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: Even fewer than I thought. But you know, it's okay,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: but it's not necessarily top six productions. But what he
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: has done is last year, he was giving up more
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: than a goal per game while he is on the neuse,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: and this year he cut that in half. So he's
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: much more responsible defensively now and that makes him a
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: more valuable player all around. Now, does that mean that
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: you want your top six guys to only be scoring
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 7: fifty points a year? You know you want more out
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: of them, not for sure, and he's going to have
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: to find that balance. But he is a more complete
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 7: player than he was last year and that's worth something
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: for sure. And if he can now add the offensive
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: component back into his game, then that's where you're going
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: to see Utah wins this grade. And right now, I
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: think you know, Joshillen had an excellent season in Buffalo.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: JJ has had a decent season here. You know, I
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: don't see a winner quite yet. It's pretty even as
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: a break now. But if if JJ can get back
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: to kind of that seven years points, then not when
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: UT's really gonna run away with the same.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: Is Clayton Keller's I mean, he's the captain. Is he
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: a facilitator now more than a goal scorer for this
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: this utail man a team? Because that's that's what the
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: numbers have done especially lately.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, if you if you watch him, especially on
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: the power play, he's very good at distributing the pop.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: He's an excellent playmaker. He you know, he can score goals.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: And when you put him in a position where you
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: know you need him to wire one time we're on
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: the power play something like that, he is more than
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: capable of doing it. But you know, I think his
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: primary asset is his playmaking and he kind of saw
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: that in Game three, the first game at the Deelta Center,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: and you finally saw him starting to, you know, make
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: an impact offensively in the playoffs. And now that he
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: kind of has that taste of what it takes, we'll
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: see if you can continue that and you know, really
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: make an impact for the team every.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: Time that you've joined us throughout the season. I think
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: we talked special teams at some point, and it's gone
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: kind of up and down. And in this last game,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: the penalty kill was awesome. In Game two, the penalty
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: kill in timely situations down the stretch came up big.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: What has happened with that particular unit that's allowing them
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: to be so successful and so effective.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: just how many guys they have available right now. You know,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 7: Alexander Kurbert missed more than half the season with his
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 7: poor injury, and he missed a large portion and then
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: and then he came back for a couple of weeks
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: and then he went out again, and he's one of
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 7: their key penalty killers. And so now that he's really
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: pulling back into his rhythm, I think that really helps.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: And you saw that in Game three at the end
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 7: of the game. I don't remember if it was a
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: penalty kill or just a six on five or something
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: like that. Right at the end of the game there,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 7: Vegas was certain to make plays. They were trying to
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: make a push to tie it up, and an alexandriker
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: Foot saw an opportunity to intercept the pass and he
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: dove on his stomach to be able to poke that
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: puck away and throw that play from happening. And that
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 7: was the game saver of a play like that could
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: have very easily ended up in the back of Utah's net.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: And then you know, there are only one goal down
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: at that point, and so things like that I think
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: really helped, just you know, having your top guys available.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: But then also Utah is in a unique situation where
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: they have a lot of guys that kill penalties. Like
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 7: if you look up and down the lineup, you've got
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 7: Kevin Sanlam, That's his main job is to kill Penley's
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: Alexandricher butt He's right there as well, and then Nick
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: Schmaltz and Laws and Crows like they are both very
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 7: capable of playing a top penalty kill unit as well.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 7: And then all of the defense then as well. They
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: all chip in on the on the PK here and there,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 7: and and that's kind of what you have to have
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 7: to be able to stay successful in the nhllenge. It's
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 7: it's that depth, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 7: They're a deep PK team. They I think it was
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 7: the month of November maybe they were almost perfect on
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: the penalty till and then they they've receded since then.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: But if they can continue that in the playoffs and
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: get back to how they were earlier in the season,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: you know, that's a that's a really good skill to
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: be able to have.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: Has anyone been more valuable in this playoff series than
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: the guy you just mentioned then lost in Krous, I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: don't I don't know that we give him the credit
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: he deserves, especially in these last couple of games, has
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: been amazing.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we've lost a couple of games, for sure. He
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 7: had a really rough Game one, as did his entire line.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 7: The line as a total was a minus eight in
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: their even strength gold differential, which is awful, Like that's
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 7: like absolutely terrible. But since then, you've really picked it up,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: and you know, he he recognizes that too. It Boston
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: is a very accountable person. He will take the accountability
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: for whatever is going wrong if it's if it's on him.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: And and I think you know, he recognized that Game
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 7: one was not good enough on his part and on
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 7: the part of his mind mates, and they've you know,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 7: they stepped it up. In game two. They were on
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: the ice for one goal, like one goal for and
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: zero against, so you know that's that's something, but none
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 7: of them gone any points. And then game three, obviously
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: he scored the two goals and his whole line was
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: just firing on all cylinders. And and then you mentioned
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: the defensive side of it as well, like we were
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: just talking about, and that's somewhere where he excels as well.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 7: And he's a leader in the room, and he's one
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 7: of the guys that will always come and talk to
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 7: us media folks after the game if if necessary. And
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 7: you know, he's he's just a solid all around guy
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 7: that you can you can rely on him in a
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: lot of different situations.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: So what do you expect from Vegas tonight? What should
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: we expect from Vegas tonight? I saw that, you know,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of messaging from the Golden Knights. Hey,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: we just got to stay the course. We got to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: play our game. We've got to do what we're going
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: to do. Nothing, we don't have to figure any thing out,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: just be who we are. And then they're calling up
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: a couple of rookies and they're they're tweaking the lines,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: and I know that's not completely abnormal in NHL hockey,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: but you don't always see it as a reactionary thing
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: in playoff hockey.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: So what should we expect from Vegas?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would expect them to come out firing right away.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: You know, I expect the first ten minutes of them,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: to expect their first ten minutes to be very very
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: strong tonight. Especially I don't know if you saw John
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 7: John Tiorgerella's media availability today after morning skate, but he
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: was asked I think it was five questions and for
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: four of them he gave the exact same answer, essentially
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: just saying we'll be ready and that's it, like we'll
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 7: be ready tonight. And so you know, we've we just
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 7: we started off this interview talking about how you know
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: Towards is a bold guy, especially with the reporter, like
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: he's not afraid to speak his mind ever, and I
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 7: think that's him in mind is he's not going to
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: tell us what he's going to do differently, but he's
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: going to you know, have the preparations in place to
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: be able to give his seema a fighting chance. And
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 7: you know he's a very experienced playoff coach. He won
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 7: the Stanley Cup in two thousand and four. You know
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: I was I was a baby when he when he
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 7: won the Samley Cup and he's been coaching every year
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 7: since then. Essentially. You know, that's how much experience this
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: guy has. And so you know, he he knows what
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: to do. He's been through it all before, and I
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: expect him to, you know, have this seam going for
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: a game before here.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: I know we already got we already had a conversation
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: about physicality, and I know that penalties and especially potentially
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: major penalties, are a lot more costly in the playoffs.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: How do you balance if you're this Utah Mammoth team
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: Like McNabb, he took his stick to Logan Cooley's actual
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: chin in that last game and it was a dirty shot,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: almost hit his neck. I'm watching, I was in a
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: fan seat, I was just being a fan in that game,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, you got to get someone out
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: on the ice to punish that kind of behavior. And again,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: I know, the dynamics a little bit different in the playoffs,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: and Cola Sar continues to just be an instigator over
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: and over. How do the Utah Mammoth manage that, the tomfoolery,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: the dirty play, the potential enforcement of the unwritten rules
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: in hockey when their main focus is, of course, to
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: win and they're probably not quite as physically ready, especially
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: with McBain out to just like drop the gloves and
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: start throwing. Is this something that we're gonna see manifest
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: itself in the series.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think you said the right word at the
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 7: beginning of that when you said balance, And I think
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 7: that's all That's what it's about. Like you cannot let
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 7: yourself get pushed around every single play, and so you
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 7: have to stand up for yourself in some situations. But
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 7: you also got to picture battles. You can't be getting
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 7: in there every single game, especially when you know, like
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 7: we mentioned, Utah is a very young and fairly small team.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: But you know, if you if you pick your battles
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 7: and you've got your role players, your guys that their
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 7: job is to provide physicality, if you've got them doing
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 7: what they're supposed to do, then you're in a better situation.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 7: And like I mentioned, Liim O'Brien only is playing a
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: few minutes a game, but he's he's really making himself
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 7: known in those few minutes a game that he's playing.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 7: And same thing with Brandon tannev. I mean, how many
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 7: times have we seen Brandon tanne full speed check the
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 7: guy into into the boards, you know, at the end
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 7: or at the end of the ice or anything like that.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 7: You know, these are these are guys that you don't
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: they're not the sexiest names, but they do make a
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: big impact. And I think that's where Utah has to
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 7: give it back to guys like Braden mcdabb and Keet
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 7: and Bulatar and and things, and you know, don't don't
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 7: let Logan Cooley worry about fighting his own battles. You know,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: That's what Leem O'Brien's there for, right and and that's
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 7: the that's the style of player that they'll get expect
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: to play, That's what they like to play. He's talks
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: to Lee O'Brien. He will always tell you he knows
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 7: his role and he knows he's never going to be
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 7: a twenty goal scorer in the NHL, and that's just
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 7: how it is.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: We got an announcement before Game three that the Winter
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: Classic is actually not going to be in twenty twenty
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: seven as initially planned. It's going to be the last
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: day of twenty twenty six New Year's Eve Winter Classic.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: What do you make of the announcement?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: So excited, that's I mean, I remember watching I think
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 7: it was the two thousand and eight Winner Classic when
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and Buffalo played each other, and that's still to
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: this day one of the most iconic ones and ever
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 7: since then. You just you hope that you know your
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 7: favorite team is involved in our Winter Classics, so that
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe you can go or at least you
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 7: can be involved watching on TV and that kind of thing.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 7: And there's just all the festivities that surround it. The
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: teams almost always get one off jerseys that they only
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 7: work for that game, and you know all the like
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 7: the goalies will get matching equipment to match those jerseys usually,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 7: and and there's like the family skate, and there's usually
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 7: a media skate, and there's all like Ryan Sith said
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 7: that they were going to do a big concert at
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 7: the Dulta Center the night before, and you know, they
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 7: just make a huge spectacle about it. It's almost like
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 7: an All Star game. And then you get to the
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: game and it's actually super meaningful, unlike an All Star
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 7: game where you know, the guys are school around. You know,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 7: this is a regular season game between two division rivals,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 7: and so they want to win. And then there's a
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 7: there's the aspects that it is Colorado that they're playing,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 7: and Colorado is only an eight hour drive from here,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 7: maybe seven hour or something like that to Denver, so
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have a lot of fans making the drive,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 7: making the play out and it's just going to be
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 7: the coolest thing. Like I'm so excited I haven't gotten
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 7: the chance to be out of Winter Classic yet, and
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 7: so I'm super excited to attend this one in December.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a heck of a show.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Before I let you go, Stars wild tied to to
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: the oilers, who we were all so worried as Utah
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: was figuring out their wild card position. Every Well, we can't.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: You don't want to play the oilers. You don't want
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: to play the oilers. You don't want to play the oilers.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: They're on the brink of elimination. What has happened with
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: Connor McDavid's crew.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I I don't know that I have the exact
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 7: answer to that, because I haven't paid Moost enough attention
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 7: to that series. I haven't watched every single game of
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 7: I've watched bits and pieces. But there was something to
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 7: do with McDavid having an injury early in the season
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 7: or early in those series rather and dry Sidle came
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 7: into it that it seems like he was playing hurt
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 7: as well, and the fact that McDavid didn't score his
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 7: first point of the series until Game three, Like how
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 7: many times has he been held off with score sheet
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 7: two games in a row?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: Ever?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 7: Like he's he's a guy that scores every game. That's
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 7: how that's how he is, and so you know, it's
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 7: it probably starts from the top and works its way down.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 7: But then at the same time, at Menton's goaltending has
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 7: always been a little bit shaddy at best. That's probably
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: why they lost in the Stanley Cup final two years
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 7: in a row now, And they just kind of always
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 7: had a few problems that they just need to work through.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 7: And so you know, I, like I said, I haven't
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 7: paid post enough attention to the series to really be
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 7: able to diagnose anything, but from a surface level, over
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 7: the things that pop into mind, for sure.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: Colorado sweeps La and Carolina sweeps Ottawa. Are those two
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: teams right now playing like you thought they would in
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: these Stanley Cup playoffs?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, I picked Carolina to make the Stanley Cup finals. Here,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 7: I don't remember if I had them winning the Cup.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 7: It was I, you know, I make my picks and
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 7: then kind of forget about them. But that's how confident
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 7: I am in Carolina, especially this year. Now they they
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 7: don't have to go through the Florida Panthers. That was
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 7: that was what kept getting them year after year, and
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 7: so now that they don't have that in the way,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: I fully expect them to really really make a good
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: push for the Sammy Cup final for the first time
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 7: since two thousand and six. And then on the Colorado side,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: like they won the Cup in twenty twenty two, and
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 7: they haven't really gotten worse since then. Like the only
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 7: big trade that they've made since well, the only like
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 7: monumental trades they've made since n is the Miko Rajman London.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 7: They got martine Yahs back for that, and you know,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 7: he's a similar caliber player. And yeah, I think Colorado
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 7: has said this year they've had obviously they have a
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 7: ton of superstars. They had a ton of players at
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 7: the Olympics, and and just the experience that comes from
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 7: that is super helpful. And you could see just the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 7: way that they tour through that first round series. And
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 7: now they're going to be all rested up for whoever
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: comes out of that Minnesota Dallas series, and whoever does
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 7: come out of that series is going to be a
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 7: super banned up and Colorado is just gonna be sitting
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 7: there waiting for them, you know, fully yield and that
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 7: kind of thing. And uh, you know, I fully expect
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 7: Colorado to do something great this year for sure.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: Brogain, appreciate your time. We'll see you at the game tonight.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: Man enjoy thanks for having me on at Broken Houston.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: You tell Mammoth Insider over at the Dead's News. The
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: puck drops at seven point thirty at the Delta Center tonight.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: It's about one hundred and forty bucks get in price
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: for the upper upper bowl at the Delta Center. If
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: you want to be in the lower bowl, it's gonna
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: cost you three to eighty three was the lowest. And
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: that's a really good price on those tickets because most
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: of them in the lower bowl right around five hundo.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: That's got to be Obviously this isn't the first ever
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: home playoff game, right that that pricing is going to
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: be a lot higher than any other game until probably you.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: Know Western Conference final type thing.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you get really deep in the playoffs. But
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: also it's got to be that it's a Monday night too, right, Yeah,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, like even the.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: First ever, the first ever home playoff game happened to
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: be on a Friday night. It couldn't set up much
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: better than that, right, And then yeah, this one's a
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: Monday night if they all should be packed and still
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: should be super loud if necessary, and they have to
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: come back, it will be next Friday, would be the
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: next home game, if I'm not mistaken.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: So that's right.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: But this coming Friday, actually yeah yeah, sorry, yeah, the
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: next Friday, This coming Friday, not that, Yeah, that next
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: week's Friday. So yeah, I mean, I know, it's like
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: a first world thing to be like, hey, if you
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: can get there, get there. We're lucky enough our jobs
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: allow us access, and I'm lucky enough to have had
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: some tickets as well. Like it is, it's a special environment,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: it's a special thing, and it feels it feels very
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: community based. It feels like, hey, this is our team,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: this is Utah's team. We haven't rallied around. It's you know,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: when Utah it was great, you're rallying around the utes
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: and the BYU fans are all hating it. When BYU
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: looks great in football or basketball, have to stay. It's
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: just like, geez, these guys, it's been a long long
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: time since we were all able to get behind the
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz or in this case, the Utah Mammoths.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: So like it's kind of fun. Yeah, and Obviously RSL
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: had some runs there, but not to the level of
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: Jazz and now Mammoths.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: It's been longer even but yeah, two thousand and nine
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: was the last like mega run for the championship run
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: for RSL.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: Well and I think just we'll break here in a second,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: but just while we're talking about this, we talked about
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: on Thursday, we expected the atmosphere to be similar to
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: maybe the ninety eight finals, as crazy as that sounds,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: because we haven't had a huge a playoff game, pro
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: playoff game as big as that since then. In that building, right,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: I think it kind of was. I think it was
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: up to that standard, like as loud as it was,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: especially in the first period, like it was bananas in there.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: Well got off to a really hot start and that
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: kind of set the tone. It was really fun. So
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: if you have an opportunity, get out there, if you
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: want to make a case for why you should be
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: able to see it. I don't know, call Spence check
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: its and see if he can hook you up with
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: some tickets. Ryan Smith is giving away another He did
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: eight tickets for his personal suite per Game three. He's
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: doing it again for Game four. And I said it
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: earlier on the show. I'll say it again, that is
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: not a necessary thing for an owner to do. He
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: does not have to do that, Like he doesn't have
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: to care enough about winning a PR battle. He doesn't
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: have to be that generous with this fan base. They
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: don't have to do the Jersey Exchange thing that they
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: just did. I mean Portland. The Trailblazers are dealing with
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: this right now. The Nickel and Diming owner that are
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: just They're like, what is this? Why are you making
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: it so obnoxiously hard for us to enjoy this? Well,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: the Smith Entertainment Group is doing everything they can to
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: engage as much of a fan base as they can.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: And whether you like them wanting you know, city funds
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: to redevelop things or not, I think we can at
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: least get behind the idea that they're trying to make
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: this a welcoming environment and let let's get as many
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: people involved as we can.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: All Right, Gotta take a break.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: A Utah I should say, a State of Utah football
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: legend is finally getting his due. I'll tell you what
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: that is next on The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
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  Speaker 2: One am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for a jersey retirement, a statue unveiling.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: I'm a big time fan of the fact that the
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: University if Utah is going to be putting names on
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: the side of the stadium to be in that ring
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: of honor. Coach Mack and Roy Jefferson getting inducted to
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: get their names put up. There was a great moment
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: of this past season, and this is something that Utah
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: State has described as overdue. I don't know if it's overdue,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: but it is something that was an absolute no brainer
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm glad to see that they're doing it. The
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: Utah State Aggies are going to retire Bobby Wagner's number.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: Now that's a single digit number, but they're retiring number nine.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: This is a very popular number. There's a lot of
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: guys who are gonna want to wear this number. Bobby
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: Wagner is going to get a lot of phone calls
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: from big time recruits that are like, Hey, can I
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: wear number nine? I hope he says no to all
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: of them. B wags fourteen year NFL linebacker, a future
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: Hall of Famer in the NFL, and that isn't that
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: is a dead certainty.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: It is going to happen.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: He has been a Pro Bowler, All Pro every year
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: of his career save one. I mean, he is one
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: of the best players to ever play in the state
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: of Utah, and Utah State was his only offer coming
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: out of high school. In the modern day of college football,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner, if he ever did make it to Utah State,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: it would have been impossible for them to keep somebody
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: like him at Utah State for the entirety of his career.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: But I mean, he was all whack three times. He
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: led the Aggies and tackles for three seasons. He started
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: forty six of forty eight possible career games. He has
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: four hundred and forty six tackles in an Aggie uniform
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: that has tied for the school record. I mean, the
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: dude is, if you took all of the players that
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: have ever played in any of the universities in the
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: state of Utah, he's a.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: Starter on defense.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: Merlin Olson and Bobby Wagner. By the way, the last
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: jersey that was retired by the Aggies was Merlin Olson's
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: jersey number seventy one. And that was thirty years ago,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: forty years ago now. So it's not like they're just
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: doing this. They're not handing these things out like candy.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: This is a huge deal and there's nobody more deserving.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner has used his platform, his skill, his success
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: to parlay that for a building community and helping people out.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: And he is just like a great representative of what
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: an NFL player and what a former Utah Aggie should be.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: And by the way, he's still active, he's still playing
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. He's gonna we're gonna have to wait
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: until he's in his forties for him to be inducted
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: into the NFL Hall of Fame because he's thirty five
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: years old and he's still playing. He had, uh, he
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: had one hundred and sixty two tackles last year for
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders. What it's such an insane, insane number
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: for someone who's thirty five years old. He's going to
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: leave the NFL as the greatest tackler in the history
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: of the NFL.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 6: Do you know this?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: I did not know that that is that's crazy. He's
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: sixty tackles away right now. And remember this is a
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: guy who when he's healthy, he gets over one hundred
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: tackles every single year. He had one hundred and sixty
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: tackles last year. He's going to leave the NFL as
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: the leading tackler in NFL history. And some people think
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: that tackles are not like a great stat to measure
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: defensive greatness. And that's probably true when you're talking about
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: certain positions. But what are linebackers supposed to be doing? Yeah, linebackers.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 4: Now are they need to rush the passer a little bit,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 4: They need to stop the run a little bit, They
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: need to they need to do some pass coverage against
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: tight ends a little bit. But like, they need to
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 4: tackle more than any other position, maybe than defensive tackle, right, and.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: More than defensive tackles because defensive tackle is part of
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: their job. A big part of their job is to
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: occupy blocks so that the linebackers can.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: Make the tast That's a good point.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: They don't get the stats as much as the rush
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: ends and the linebackers do because their job is to
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: be decoys and eating up.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: Blocks all the time.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look Bobby Wagner has played with some really
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: good interior defensive linemen. He played with the best, maybe
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: ever interior defensive lineman in his one season with Aaron Donald.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: But Bobby Wagner is the straw that stirs the drink
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: in most of these defenses. And he's currently a free agent.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: By the way, he's thirty five years old. He's been
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: playing back to back years on one year contracts, and
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: he's got plenty of gas left in the tank. It's
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: insane to me that after a year where he made
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two tackles, seventy nine of which
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: were solo tackles, which is a career number for some people,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: and he did that in his thirty five year old season,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: and he had four and a half sacks, two interceptions,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: four passes defended, playing for his third NFL team.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: He is one of the best players to ever come
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: through our state. And Utah State gets to claim him again,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: the ones that gave him the chance, and they're retiring
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: his jersey. It's awesome they get to claim that guy
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: again because Marlin Olsen is probably the best to ever
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: come from our state, I mean from you and he's
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: from Utah State. There's what Okay, so there's a couple
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: of NFL Hall of Famers already. You've got Larry Wilson's
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: an NFL Hall of Famer from our state. Right, You've
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: got or I should say it's a Pro Football Hall
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: of Fame. Yeah, Pro Football Hall of Fame. Marland Olsen
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: is a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Steve Young, Steve Young,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: you've got just as small handful. Yeah, And Bobby Wagner
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: is going to be one, and we hope Eric Weddle
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: is going to be one, and they have similar stories.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: You get one major offer, you get one offer that
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: you really liked, you ride it out with that school,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: and then you become Bobby has not been as active
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: in the Utah State community and like coming back and
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: showing his face as Eric Weddle has, but it's because
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: he's still an active player.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Well Weddle didn't do a ton of that
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: when he was a player either. That the other one
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 4: to think about that we've you've already talked about, could
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 4: he end up being the best offensive lineman from the
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 4: state of Utah, not from a Utah college, but Bene
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 4: Sewell is that is that like a heo not if
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 4: we're talking about that type of player too belongs in
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 4: this conversation. But yeah, it's it's wild that we talk
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: so much about Utah and BYU because they are the
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 4: two most popular football programs basketball programs in the state.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 4: But when it comes to football, there's two players that
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 4: might be the very best to come from the state
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: from a college or high school in the state, and
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 4: they both come they're both Aggies. Because I agree with you,
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner is probably going to be one or two there.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: So right now, the list of NFL or Pro Football
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: Hall of Famers from a Utah school, Steve Young from BYU,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: Merlin Olsen from Utah State, Max Speedy, and Larry Wilson
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: from the University of Utah, and Bobby will be a
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: definitive Hall of Famer. Wettele is for some people kind
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: of a borderline. I've said it many times, we'll say
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: it again. If John Lynch is a Hall of Famer,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: then so is Eric Weddle. Yeah, and John Lynch is
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, So we'll see your guy. Fred Warner.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: Warner is going to be absolutely gonna be all an
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: NFL Hall of Famer who Kinakua is off to a
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: great start and could be an NFL Hall of Famer
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 3: if he gets out of his own way. Part of
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: being in the Hall of Fame, though, is you got it, Like,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: you can't just be great for a couple of years.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: You got to sustain that greatness, like Bobby Wagner has
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: and Utah State is going to retire his jersey number,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: the first retirement of a jersey number since Merlin Olsen's
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: number seventy one was retired. Awesome honor, really really cool,
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: and nobody more deserving. So congrats to Bobby. Congrats to
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: the Aggies for having that.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 4: Get that guy, Oh C do you want to should
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: we should we unveil some of our lists of mammoth nicknames?
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: I don't. Should we save it? We're saving the time.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: We're saving it for the post game celebration tomorrow. Okay,
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: we'll do We'll do those. We'll do those tomorrow. We
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: have some things to give away here. Let's see Red
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• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: I'll give those away. We'll finish out the show little
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: cross talk.
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  Speaker 3: Mammoth tonight against the Vegas Golden Knights. For you, it's
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: a tough game, right, You've got to stay the course.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to continue to find the success that you found.
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  Speaker 3: You do have to be in the ozone a little
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: bit more than you were. You have to throw more
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: pucks to the net. I know that Broken explained it
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 3: actually really well. If you were in the arena and
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: you saw kind of like the shots on goal numbers.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: At first, it was heavily lopsided towards Vegas even though
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: they weren't scoring, they were attacking effectively and Veggie was
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: having to do a lot of work. And then you
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: saw that swing back the other way with more successful
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: Utah attacks. And if you're watching those numbers tally up
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: in the building, you're saying, like, okay, it's about even here.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: And then of course the stat makers they go back
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: after the fact, they review the film and they say, oh,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: that wasn't on frame, that that wasn't a goal that
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: would have hit the net if the goaltender wasn't there.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: So we're not going to.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: Count that that's a shot attempt, but we're not gonna attend.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: We're not going to call it a shot on goal.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: We're not going to call it a real shot. And
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: after they did that retally, the recount, the final the
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: final total for UTAH came out to being twelve shots,
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: four of which went in, which is just if you're
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: Connor Hart Carter Hart, excuse me, you're just like, oh
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: my gosh, that is the worst say percentage of my career.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible, terrible night for the defense and of
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: course for the goaltender for the Vegas Knights.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: We were talking with Brogan Houston about this.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, yeah, but it's not really twelve, Like
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: you know, nine or ten of those got wiped out
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: by the reevaluation, So it's not like you were dominated.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: There was There were plenty of situations powerplay, especially where
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: you held it in the offensive zone, you moved the puck,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: you got some good opportunities. But even twenty two, if
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: you took a full ten away, if you got into
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: the double digits of how many attempts got scrubbed out
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: of the official stat sheet, even twenty two is not enough.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: That's not a big number. Veggie had thirty two shots
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 3: sent his way in this game. That's kind of like
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: par for the course. You're gonna be high twenties, low
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: thirties in a regular NHL game, so you need to
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: see Utah get in that kind of that same neighborhood
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: thirty twenty eight to twenty five, twenty seven whatever. Offensively,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: this team doesn't rely necessarily on the volume proposition, on
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: the dirty stuff, on the battling it out in front
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: of the net and getting the deflections. They don't have
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: the size of the physicality to have that be the
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: highest percentage move for them all the time, especially in
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: the match up with Vegas. But they can lean on speed, precision,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: puck movement, great passing. You saw that in Game three.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we see more of it in Game four. Drops
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: at seven thirty tonight. You can watch it on at
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: UTAH sixteen. The national broadcast has ESPN ESPN two. It's
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: not ESPN, it's not ESPN two. And on top of that,
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: you got NBA playoffs going on. You've got regular season baseball, which,
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: let's be honest, you're not you're not watching that yet.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: The drive with Spence check its is up next. He's
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: about to start the show, and he's here in our
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: Broadway studio.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: Hi, somebody was on the jumbo tron on Friday, Sean.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: I was told. I was told multiple times.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, looking up. I'm like, there's my guy. Because I
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 8: wasn't sure if you're going to be able to make it.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 8: I knew that was a travel day for you.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: We made it back in time. I actually actually made
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 3: it earlier than I thought I was going to.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 3: Good, made it back in time. My wife, My wife
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 3: refuses to do tusks up.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: Good for her. It's so corny. You didn't do any
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: tusks now.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you had great seats to that game
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: and you're going tusks up zero time.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 8: I cheered loudly. I waved my towel. I'm with Kendall
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 8: on this one. It's corny. I'm not doing the tough.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 8: You're not with Ken Kendall shout out.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: No, you're not with Kendl on this. You want to
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: know why. I know you're not with Kendl on this.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: She doesn't want it to be tusks up. She wants
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: it to be some trunk thing. Okay, she's waving her
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: arm in front of her face. That's where's especially seen.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: You do it live.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 8: It's way, it's a million times worse. Okay, I will
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 8: tusks up from now on. If the alternate is the
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 8: trunk things, the.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 3: Dunk trunk thing is, I'm like leaning over, stop trying
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: to make this happen. She got on the jumbo tron
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: doing the trunk thing.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: Are you trying to make fetch happen? It was like
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: I said exactly that.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, well you and I do we just do we
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: just because I said stop trying to make fetch happen?
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she was like, oh shut. Did we just
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: become best friends?
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: Again karate in the garage.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 8: But we haven't released a video. It's not official. If
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 8: it's not as thank you for cleaning that one up.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 8: The knean of the pin to the Santa Maria, don't
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 8: don't don't keep going looking out, keep going looking up
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 8: if you want to know. So, bro, what an atmosphere man?
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: That was so cool? Yeah, it's great.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: It's I When we were talking, we were speculating before,
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 3: like what's it gonna be?
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: Are we going to it?
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 3: Is this gonna be like Glory Days Jazz basketball playoffs,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: and I mean it's close to that, and we were
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: scratching that surface. It's like it's like a Rice Cycles
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: night game, like that level of when the first goal
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 3: went in again, I was there, not in a media capacity.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: I was a fan, Yep, same.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: I got chills with the real like I've got goosebumps
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: from how loud that building got instantaneously, everyone pulling on
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: the same rope.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: Vegas sucks. Vegas sucks. It was awesome.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 8: And you know what, nobody left early, No, not a
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 8: and by early, I mean everybody stayed to see the
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 8: three stars were Yeah, like that game was. Look, they
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 8: allowed a couple in it, but it was mostly over
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 8: ten minutes left and in a lot of buildings fans,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 8: it's a mass exodust like the Miami Heat fans. Okay,
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 8: and Miami is an unseerious sports town because it's not
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 8: a real place, if we're honest. They've left playoff games
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 8: with like a lot on the line, white shirts unbuttoned
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 8: all the way down to the abs and have tried
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: to get back in when they realized maybe the team
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 8: is coming back, Like La Laker fans.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: That is the scene, and that's all it is.
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  Speaker 8: It is people wanting to know what you're doing after
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  Speaker 8: the game, okay, to see that building full and nobody
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  Speaker 8: leave their seat even though the game was pretty much
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  Speaker 8: in hand, and stay to stand and cheer. When the
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 8: three stars were announced, I heard a national broadcaster say,
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  Speaker 8: it feels like hockey's been in Salt Lake for thirty years.
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  Speaker 2: It was an amazing, amazing first home game experience.
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  Speaker 3: And look, it gives you that feel like hockey's our
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: thing now, which it isn't, not yet. Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 3: been a rapid development of the hockey culture and acceptance
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: of it here in the state of Utah. So if
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: you can get there, get there. If not, just watch
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  Speaker 3: it on TV. We'll be talking about it a lot tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're talking about it on the show.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: Teh for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, And of course we'll review the NFL draft and
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 8: twenty seven straight drafts. Utah high school player has been
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 8: selected into the NFL twenty seven straight drafts, so of
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 8: course we'll break that down. NBA playoffs inching towards the
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 8: end of the first round and RSL dropping a couple
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 8: of points. But yeah, I mean busy Monday Show always.
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  Speaker 8: I've always said this, man, I know Mondays suck for
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 8: a lot of people in this business. Mondays are the
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 8: best day because we have the entire weekend kind of
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 8: at our disposal. So historic week last week with Messy
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 8: in Town playoff game, Yeah, a lot to do Monday Show.
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  Speaker 3: Stay tuned for that with Spence check its and yes
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: it was Logan Krause who scored the two goals.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: He's been awesome. What did I say? I said, Logan Krause, yikes,
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: it is not It's Logan Cooley. People, It's lost and Kraus.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: I am losing my mind here. Sean O'Connell Show is done.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive. ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 2: two one FM