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Sharri | 3 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond filling
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Speaker 3: in for Shari Markson tonight, the pro Palestinian protest debarkle
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Speaker 3: takes a new turn, with police withdrawing the court application
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Speaker 3: to cancel the rally or on that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, the biggest pre election blunder that could further
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Speaker 3: damage the Queensland Labor Party. I'll show you what happened
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Speaker 3: a little later. Plus the internal polling Stephen Miles doesn't
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Speaker 3: want you to see and has origin energy burst, Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen's Green Dream bubble. Well, the carry on with these
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Speaker 3: disgusting October seven protests, these plans to celebrate terrorism on
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Speaker 3: the anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel. Well it
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Speaker 3: continued today and there were a few interesting developments. The
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Speaker 3: first was that the New South Wales Police withdrew their
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Speaker 3: action in the Supreme Court to stop rallies in Sydney
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Speaker 3: on the sixth and seventh because the organizers, the Palestine
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Speaker 3: Action Group, agreed to change the roots so it wouldn't
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Speaker 3: go past the Great Synagogue.
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Speaker 4: Big deal.
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Speaker 3: I maintain, as I said last night, that I will
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Speaker 3: defend your right to protest if you do it within
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Speaker 3: the bounds of decency, no matter how much I might
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Speaker 3: disagree with you. But what we are talking about here
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Speaker 3: is not legitimate protest. It is the glorification and support
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Speaker 3: of terrorism, which is potentially dangerous and could incite violence.
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Speaker 3: They will now have a protest on the sixth, but
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Speaker 3: they've withdrawn their rally on the seventh. I'll get to
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Speaker 3: that in a moment. It is a joke that the
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Speaker 3: police pulled out of it. We have a serious problem
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Speaker 3: if you can walk around the streets of our capital
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Speaker 3: cities supporting terror attacks. But the other thing we learned
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Speaker 3: was that the organizers of the Sydney protest are a
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Speaker 3: pack of gutlers squibs now. As I told you last night,
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Speaker 3: Their spokesman Josh Lise said that even if we were
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Speaker 3: to lose that case, we would go ahead with our
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Speaker 3: protest on the sixth. As for their rally on the seventh,
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Speaker 3: which they called vigil, he said this, it's outrageous that
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Speaker 3: the authorities would attempt to ban people's right to grieve
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Speaker 3: for their loved ones and family members who've been killed,
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Speaker 3: forty two thousand of them in Gaza, nearly two thousand
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Speaker 3: in Lebanon, except that they rocked up to court today
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Speaker 3: and agreed to scrap their rally on October seven, presumably
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Speaker 3: in the hopes it would convince the police and the
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Speaker 3: court to let them have their protest on the sixth,
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Speaker 3: and maybe that was part of what helped get them
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Speaker 3: over the line in the end. I mean talk about
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Speaker 3: week as piss. Yesterday it was an outrage that the
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Speaker 3: police were quote unquote attempting to ban people's right to grieve.
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Speaker 3: But today you were happy to sell those supposedly grieving
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Speaker 3: people up the creek so you could hold a protest
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Speaker 3: the day before. It proves my point again this isn't
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Speaker 3: about showing any genuine grievance against the war.
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Speaker 4: It's not about concern over the loss of Seville life.
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Speaker 3: You can protest any other time of the year and
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Speaker 3: they have been. The demonstrations this weekend are about supporting terrorism.
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Speaker 3: It is signaling that they support the terror attack by
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Speaker 3: Hamas on Israel, more than a thousand people killed in
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Speaker 3: a day on October seven last year. They didn't withdraw
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Speaker 3: their October seven event because they realized it was insensitive
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Speaker 3: to hold a rally on the anniversary of a terror attack.
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Speaker 3: They withdrew it because they want to hold a rally
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Speaker 3: supporting the October seven attacks, and if they have to
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Speaker 3: do it on the sixth, then so be it. They're
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Speaker 3: still going to hold a standing event on the seventh, though,
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Speaker 3: which they call a vigil, just not a moving rally,
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Speaker 3: which means it doesn't need police approval.
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Speaker 4: But we know they.
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Speaker 3: Won't be commemorating the lies of the live sorry of
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Speaker 3: the Jews and Israelis, the people who actually lost their
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Speaker 3: lives in a terror attack.
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Speaker 4: On that day.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in Melbourne, the president of the Islamic Council of Victoria,
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Speaker 3: Adel Salman, told The Herald's son that pro Palestine events
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Speaker 3: on October seven were quote unquote needed.
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Speaker 4: He said, holding a vigil.
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Speaker 3: On October the seventh for the more than forty thousand
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Speaker 3: lives lost in Israel's genocidal war on Gaza is needed
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Speaker 3: for the community to come together to share its deep
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Speaker 3: grief and anguish and to remember and honor the victims. No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: October seventh is a day to share deep grief and
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Speaker 3: anguish over the one thousand, one hundred and thirty nine
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Speaker 3: people killed on that day in Israel again. You are
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Speaker 3: allowed to hold events commemorating the civilian lives lost in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: You're allowed to hold protests against Israel, but for Heaven's sake,
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Speaker 3: there is no reason to do it on October the
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Speaker 3: seventh unless you support Hamasa's terror attack and you're trying
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Speaker 3: to rile up I suppose the friends and family of
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Speaker 3: the victims of that terror. But I guess it's no
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Speaker 3: surprise because this Grubb has previously refused to condemn Hamas
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Speaker 3: for October seven. And for what it's worth, Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 3: said today that to protest on October seven is shameful
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Speaker 3: and disgusting. Even Daniel Andrews can see straight through it.
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Speaker 3: And in Adelaide, where I am tonight, there'll be a
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Speaker 3: rally on the steps of Parliament House on October seven. Now,
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Speaker 3: protests at Parliament House need approval and they got it
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Speaker 3: Independent South Australian Upper House in p Frank Pangalo will
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Speaker 3: join me to talk about that soon. But again, anyone
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Speaker 3: who rocks up to a pro Palestinian protest this weekend
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Speaker 3: is not there out of genuine concern about the war.
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Speaker 3: They are there because they support terrorism and every single
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Speaker 3: one of them ought to be put on a watch list.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Police Commissioner Karen web is in trouble
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Speaker 3: again because The Daily Telegraph got hold of emails suggesting
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Speaker 3: she knew about the ordering fifty bottles of gin on
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Speaker 3: the taxpayer dime from her friend's business, despite previously denying
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Speaker 3: she had any knowledge of the order. Now, when all
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Speaker 3: of this started and there was a big fuss over
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Speaker 3: the fact she was giving bottles of gin to dignitaries
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Speaker 3: as gifts, I didn't think it was that big of
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Speaker 3: a deal. Giving official gifts of alcohol is common in
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Speaker 3: both the public and private sector. I have no particular
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Speaker 3: problem with that. But this story has changed significantly. The
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Speaker 3: Commissioner told two GB's Chris O'Keefe that the gin was
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Speaker 3: used as gifts for foreign dignitaries, as.
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Speaker 5: I said, dignitares. We had an international delegation mid last
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Speaker 5: year that a dozen went to, and other international guests etc.
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Speaker 5: The Minister has said in Parliament today that she received
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Speaker 5: one and then there's been others for corporate etiquette where
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Speaker 5: there's been in exchange of gifts.
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Speaker 3: Note she said corporate exchange of gifts at the end
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Speaker 3: well on the list of people who received a bottle
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Speaker 3: is Alan Joyce when he was running Quantus. He's listed
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Speaker 3: as a dignitary on what grounds, I'm not sure. There's
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Speaker 3: also another name from Quantus listed as Luke Blanche. Will
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Speaker 3: ben Forden revealed on two GB this morning that there
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Speaker 3: is no one at Quantus named Luke Blanche. Also listed
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Speaker 3: were Michael Henderson and a Guarter Kenna from DEECPR. Now
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Speaker 3: mister Henderson has done work for a McLaren dealership where
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Speaker 3: the commissioner's husband was dealer principal, and she was photographed
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Speaker 3: next to Ms Kenna at a Women's Day event at
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Speaker 3: a Maserati dealership where her husband worked. She said today
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Speaker 3: that she engaged DECPR for media advice before she became
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Speaker 3: police commissioner. I mean I would have thought that the
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Speaker 3: payment they were given for their work would be thanks enough,
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Speaker 3: and if she wanted to give them something else, thank
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Speaker 3: them for going above and beyond, she could have done
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Speaker 3: so out of her own pocket. I mean, Sky News
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Speaker 3: doesn't pay me for any gift, so I give my
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Speaker 3: producers at Christmas time. I pay for them because it's
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Speaker 3: a gift from me, a show of my personal gratitude.
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Speaker 3: Not that of the company. But the biggest problem is
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Speaker 3: that she said that she had only found out about
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Speaker 3: the ordering of the gin after the fact.
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Speaker 6: Just reading the lacc's findings here it says that Commissioner
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Speaker 6: web should have disclosed her association with the supplier of
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Speaker 6: the Commissioner's gin.
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Speaker 4: What does it mean, Well, it means that.
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Speaker 5: Well what it means, well, it's difficult to talk about
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Speaker 5: because there is a non publication order. So the statement
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Speaker 5: that the Lecker put out is all I can say
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Speaker 5: about it. But if you read that sentence in full,
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Speaker 5: it means that I became aware after that I knew
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Speaker 5: the supplier, and you know I should have said so.
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Speaker 5: But certainly I didn't organize a purchase, and so I
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Speaker 5: became aware after.
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Speaker 3: Except that emails obtained by The Daily Telegraph suggests that
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Speaker 3: the Commissioner had instructed staff to buy jin from Hope Estate,
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Speaker 3: which is owned by her friend. One of her staff
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Speaker 3: emailed Hope Estate in October twenty twenty two to say
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Speaker 3: that the Commissioner wanted the blue labeled gin. Subsequent internal
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Speaker 3: emails show that a police employee questioned to Webb's then
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Speaker 3: chief of staff, Christine McDonald, how the media would respond
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Speaker 3: if it found out that the police force was buying
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Speaker 3: gin and advised against the purchase. McDonald then replied that
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Speaker 3: she'd discuss it with the commissioner. But Web maintained today
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Speaker 3: that she had no knowledge of the fact that gin
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Speaker 3: had come from her friend's distillery until after it had
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Speaker 3: been ordered, So she was certainly involved in the purchase
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Speaker 3: at some point. But you heard Webs say before that
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Speaker 3: she didn't organize the purchase. Something isn't right here. You
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Speaker 3: can't have this kind of thing hanging over your head
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Speaker 3: as a police commissioner. This is the same woman, by
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Speaker 3: the way, who said she hadn't watched and wouldn't watch
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Speaker 3: the bodycam footage of one of her officers tasering a
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Speaker 3: ninety five year old dementia patient, clear Nowland, who then
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Speaker 3: died after she walked towards him slowly on a walking
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Speaker 3: frame holding a stake knife. She said, I've heard what
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Speaker 3: is in the body worn and I don't see it
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Speaker 3: as necessary that I actually view it. I mean, you're
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Speaker 3: the police commissioner, for heaven's sake, of course you should
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Speaker 3: view it. And a police commissioner, of all people, should
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Speaker 3: be beyond reproach even the width of lying or misleading
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Speaker 3: the public, even if it's about Gin is a big problem.
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Speaker 3: If Weeb isn't considering her position, the state government certainly
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Speaker 3: should be. But first let's get a reaction from my panel,
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Speaker 3: National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Mayor Basil Zemplss. I mean,
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Speaker 3: these protests going on this weekend. I cannot believe Matt
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Speaker 3: that the New South Wales Police actually pulled away from
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Speaker 3: the bid to have that protest on the sixth stop today.
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Speaker 3: I just can't see how it can be done safely.
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Speaker 3: Even if it's not going past the synagogue, surely it
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Speaker 3: is willing for a fight.
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Speaker 7: Look, I have some sympathy with the New South Wales
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Speaker 7: Police here. I don't know all the details of what's happened,
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Speaker 7: and obviously I believe they only have limited powers to
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Speaker 7: stop public gatherings of this kind. I'll save my condemnation
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Speaker 7: for the organizers of the event rather than you. Soevel's
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Speaker 7: police or I think are put in a tough position.
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Speaker 7: I I you just you wonder sometimes whether the so
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Speaker 7: called Free Palestine movement or the officials that put themselves
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Speaker 7: out as the figureheads of this movement to secretly actually
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Speaker 7: doing the business of Israel. I mean, they act in
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Speaker 7: such a way as to deter reasonable people from having
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Speaker 7: sympathy with the Palestine cause, and count myself as one
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Speaker 7: of those people of the more Over the last year,
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Speaker 7: I've learned more about the situation over there, and I
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Speaker 7: have been a ghast at the death of Palestinian civilians
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Speaker 7: and the circumstances they find themselves in. It's terrible, it's tragic,
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Speaker 7: but their so called advocates here in Western countries do
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Speaker 7: them no favors by constantly kicking sand in other people's
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Speaker 7: faces totally unnecessarily. This is obviously going to be a
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Speaker 7: week of great grief for the Jewish community, and if
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Speaker 7: they were serious about helping the Palestinian people, they'd put
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Speaker 7: out an olive branch to those people who are suffering
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Speaker 7: from a great atrocity a year on, rather than Srina's
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Speaker 7: choice score cheap political points for their own I think
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Speaker 7: domestic purposes and selfish purposes at the end of the day.
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Speaker 3: But this is the point Basil, right. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: can have your protest about ditsing Gaza any other day
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Speaker 3: of the year. They've been having those projes for the
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Speaker 3: better part of a year. There is no reason to
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Speaker 3: do it this weekend on October the sixth or October
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Speaker 3: the seventh, unless you're trying to signal that you liked
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Speaker 3: what happened on October the seventh.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely correct, or at least at the very least being
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Speaker 8: particularly inflammatory with your choice of this weekend for those
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Speaker 8: protesters to gather. I mean, let's not forget we should
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Speaker 8: not forget this point. It is the anniversary, the twelvemonth
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Speaker 8: anniversary of the biggest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 8: That's what this date and this anniversary represents for the
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Speaker 8: Jewish people. And so anyone with any common sense or
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Speaker 8: any common decency would know that is not the time
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Speaker 8: to protest. It is and can only be considered as
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Speaker 8: totally disrespectful to the people of Israel. And so it is. Yes,
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Speaker 8: it's been moved away from the synagogue. Most unfortunate that
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Speaker 8: it continues to happen. A bit like Matt, I have
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Speaker 8: sympathy with the police of New South Wales. What you
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Speaker 8: do hope, what you sincerely hope is that this gathering,
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Speaker 8: let's not even call it a protest, but this gathering
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Speaker 8: will be conducted peacefully. But there are no guarantees. That
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Speaker 8: is the problem.
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Speaker 3: No, I think it's highly unlikely to be perfectly honest.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the Queensland election. They're three days into
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Speaker 3: the campaign up there and Queensland Premier Stephen Miles. My god,
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Speaker 3: he had a stinker of a day. I think I'll
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Speaker 3: just let this clip speak for itself.
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Speaker 1: I'll find out where the.
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Speaker 9: Candidate.
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Speaker 1: I don't have that detail in front of me.
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Speaker 10: You don't know the name of the candidate that's running
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Speaker 10: for your team in the set that you're in today.
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Speaker 9: Susan, Yeah, of course it's Susan.
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Speaker 1: I was with it.
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Speaker 9: The other names.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Matt, it's so bad, isn't it.
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Speaker 7: Look it's not his best day. Obviously I'm not always
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Speaker 7: the best with names. But keep in mind. My understanding
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Speaker 7: is that press conference was in the electorate where he
15:19
Speaker 7: couldn't remember the candidate's name. I mean, if the guy
15:22
Speaker 7: was serious about the Bruce high was there notionally to
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Speaker 7: talk about this issue the Bruce Highway for viewers around
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Speaker 7: another parts of the country. I'm not far from where
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Speaker 7: he held his press conference right now, and that highway
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Speaker 7: is an absolute go track at the moment. Massive potholes.
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Speaker 7: It's a shocking state of disrepair under this government. And
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Speaker 7: he's notionally there to say he's going to do something
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Speaker 7: about it. And he doesn't even know the name of
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Speaker 7: the candidate who is meant to be representing the area.
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Speaker 7: And I mean he has been a premier I think
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Speaker 7: over the past year. That's just all for show, not
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Speaker 7: a serious attempt to deal with the challenges facing this state.
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Speaker 7: He has tried to put a pretty weak veneer on
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Speaker 7: a decaying and and tied government. And when you chip
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Speaker 7: away at that paint just a little bit your seat
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Speaker 7: that decaying underbody. And I think the coinsand people saw
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Speaker 7: that again today. They see it in the state of
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Speaker 7: their roads, they see it in the delays at their hospitals.
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Speaker 7: They just want to stay government, to focus on getting
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Speaker 7: those basic services right. They don't have that right now.
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Speaker 4: Now Basil your state of Wa.
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Speaker 3: You've obviously got the former ALP senator Fatima payment. She's
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Speaker 3: now reportedly weeks away from registering her own political party.
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Speaker 3: And the suggestion is that it would go beyond just
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Speaker 3: the state of Western Australia into marginal seats elsewhere. And
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Speaker 3: of course you know that the Albanezi government is a
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Speaker 3: little bit worried about shoring up support in areas with
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Speaker 3: a high Muslim population, particularly in Western Sydney. You've already
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Speaker 3: got Independent saying that they will go into those seats
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Speaker 3: and this party allegedly is not going to be religiously based.
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Speaker 3: But we know why she left. It was over the
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Speaker 3: whole gaza thing, and you'd have to think she's going
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Speaker 3: to try and get a piece of this part.
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Speaker 8: And it's a very strategic play, There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 8: I mean, any senator is free to do what they want,
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Speaker 8: especially once they have left the political party. The problem,
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Speaker 8: of course, is that when Senator Payment was elected, she
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Speaker 8: wasn't elected as an independent, and she wasn't elected as
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Speaker 8: somebody who was going to go off and start her
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Speaker 8: own party and run candidates in other seats around the country.
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Speaker 8: So that is the issue, and it is why it
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Speaker 8: is so important that every Australian absolutely understands that this
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Speaker 8: next federal election, who it is they are voting for
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Speaker 8: and what the ramifications of that vote will be, especially
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Speaker 8: when we consider and face or contemplate the prospect of
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Speaker 8: a hung parliament. Who is it that is going to
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Speaker 8: have the balance of power and that is something that
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Speaker 8: should both worry and have on high alert every Australian.
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Speaker 3: Here here bat in Basil.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 3: Well, South Australian Parliament, as I said before, has greenlit
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Speaker 3: a pro Palestinian group to protest on the first anniversary
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Speaker 3: of the October seven terrorist attacks. Now the decision has
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Speaker 3: left the Premier, Peter Malanowskas scrambling.
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Speaker 4: He said it's inappropriate and.
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Speaker 3: The police don't seem keen to cancel the event. Instead,
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Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Grant Stephens warned that any material that condones
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Speaker 3: or supports promotes a terrorist organization or terrorism can be
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Speaker 3: the subject of prosecution under state law. Will I'm join
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Speaker 3: now sorry by South Australian Independent MLC Frank Pangelo. You've
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Speaker 3: written to the Premiere, You've written to the Police Commissioner
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Speaker 3: to voice your concerns about this. How did this get through?
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Speaker 3: Who actually approves a protest to occur.
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Speaker 4: On the steps of Parliament House?
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Speaker 11: Well, applications need to be made to the Parliament through
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Speaker 11: the Procedures and Protocol Office, and the the organizers of
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Speaker 11: this protest have been doing this for almost a year
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Speaker 11: now and look I acknowledge that their protests have been
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Speaker 11: peaceful to date, but this one got through to the
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Speaker 11: keeper right because what had happened. They not only booked
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Speaker 11: the steps of Parliament House for Sunday, October sixth, but
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Speaker 11: they also booked Parliament on October the seventh for fifteen
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Speaker 11: hours from six am to nine pm.
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Speaker 4: Now, I think this.
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Speaker 11: Is deliberate, it's provocative and also probably intended to prevent
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Speaker 11: any other groups, particularly members of the Jewish community, from
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Speaker 11: going to Parliament and conducting a vigil. So it's all intended,
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Speaker 11: as you've pointed out, to essentially promote hate speech, anti Semitism,
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Speaker 11: which we've seen throughout the country, and at the same
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Speaker 11: time glorify terrorist leaders as heroes. And that's what they'll do.
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Speaker 11: And on Sunday, you know they hope, well they've told
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Speaker 11: part they expect about one hundred people. I can't see
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Speaker 11: that happening. One hundred people, that's what they put on
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Speaker 11: the application and it's outrageous. And look, what is also
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Speaker 11: concerning Caleb is the Premier's attitude today. So he's come
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Speaker 11: out and you know he said he doesn't approve of it,
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Speaker 11: and you know it shouldn't be held the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 11: Penny Won has said the same thing. But what have
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Speaker 11: they done about it?
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Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing.
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Speaker 4: What's the recourse here?
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Speaker 3: Right, So the Parliament makes a decision that they can
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Speaker 3: have it, but the Premier is not doing anything about it,
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Speaker 3: the Police Commission is not intervening.
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Speaker 4: What can actually be.
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Speaker 3: Done well to stop this process short of trying to
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Speaker 3: do what U South Wales tried to do the copp
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Speaker 3: has tried to do and have it stopped in court.
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Speaker 11: Well that's because they were head of the game and
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Speaker 11: knew what was going on, but here they got caught unaware.
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Speaker 11: I mean I only found out about it yesterday when
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Speaker 11: I had a look at the list of protests that
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Speaker 11: had been booked at Parliament House. A few people knew
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Speaker 11: about it and that's how we found out about it.
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Speaker 11: But of course the Police Commissioner cannot act on it
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Speaker 11: unless something happens. And of course now they're going to
21:07
Speaker 11: have to have additional police on duty on Monday, which
21:12
Speaker 11: they didn't expect but now they have to, and they
21:15
Speaker 11: will monitor it and make sure that if there is
21:18
Speaker 11: any breaches of laws, Commonwealth and state laws. If they
21:23
Speaker 11: do happen to show the Hesbeala flag or any placards
21:27
Speaker 11: showing these slain terrorist leaders. They say that they'll move in.
21:31
Speaker 11: But you know the premier who says, you know, politicians
21:35
Speaker 11: shouldn't interfere in political activities lot this and democracies, Well,
21:41
Speaker 11: I think that's quite disingenuous because they do. I mean,
21:44
Speaker 11: what would you have done if there were a group
21:46
Speaker 11: of neo Nazis that had planned to erect a march
21:50
Speaker 11: in the streets, or Nazis or whatever, of course you
21:52
Speaker 11: would act right now, it's disingenuous a premier. You should
21:56
Speaker 11: have picked up the phone, called the organizers and said
21:59
Speaker 11: to him, look, this is insensitive and please reconsider and
22:04
Speaker 11: call it off, just like they've done in Sydney. But
22:07
Speaker 11: he hasn't done that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look something needs to be done about it. Frank Pangelo,
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Speaker 3: thank you for joining me. And he makes a very
22:12
Speaker 3: good point there. You know, if it were an event
22:15
Speaker 3: being held to commemorate the beginning of the Holocaust, you
22:18
Speaker 3: wouldn't allow that to happen. But you have an event
22:20
Speaker 3: to commemorate the day a terrorist attack occurred against Jews,
22:25
Speaker 3: and you know, because it happened a year ago, we
22:27
Speaker 3: don't treat it in the same way. I don't know.
22:29
Speaker 4: It just doesn't seem right to me.
22:31
Speaker 3: While we're on the topic, the alban Easy government's all
22:33
Speaker 3: over the shop again on Iran's attack on Israel. Here
22:37
Speaker 3: were Deputy PM Richard Miles and Foreign Minister Penny Wong today.
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Speaker 2: We are not about to deny country's rights to defend themselves.
22:47
Speaker 2: That said, we have added our voice to an international
22:52
Speaker 2: call led by the United States for a twenty one
22:55
Speaker 2: day ceasefire. This is the moment for diploma.
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Speaker 12: Israel has a right to defend itself against these attacks.
23:04
Speaker 12: We have virtual parties to show restrain and de escalate.
23:10
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Australia has secured some seats on flights out of Lebanon,
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Speaker 3: despite the fact Australians have been worn to get out
23:16
Speaker 3: of there for months. Here's Wong again.
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Speaker 12: We have secured eighty seats on flights that are leaving today.
23:23
Speaker 12: We have secured an additional five hundred seats for Australians
23:28
Speaker 12: Australian permanent residents, and there are a few immediate family
23:32
Speaker 12: members on two flights to Cyprus which will be leaving
23:35
Speaker 12: on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by the former chair of Parliament's Foreign
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Speaker 3: Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, Michael and the government
23:45
Speaker 3: just flip flops on this all the time. In one breath,
23:48
Speaker 3: that's yes, they have the right to defend themselves, in
23:51
Speaker 3: the other's but we want to cease fire. As I've
23:54
Speaker 3: been saying for some time, it's all good and well
23:57
Speaker 3: to call for a cease far. I don't think anyone
23:59
Speaker 3: worn swore to be ongoing. But to have a ceasefire
24:03
Speaker 3: it requires two sides to agree to put their weapons down.
24:07
Speaker 3: You're not going to get terrorists to put their weapons down.
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Speaker 13: Albo, Wong and Miles sound like they're still playing student politics, Caleb.
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Speaker 13: In the adult world, this is the biggest ballistic missile
24:19
Speaker 13: attack on between two states. In fact, it's the second one,
24:24
Speaker 13: remember the one that took place in April. The International
24:27
Speaker 13: Toomic Energy Agency has reported that Iran has six lots
24:32
Speaker 13: of fissile material for a nuclear bomb. There are a
24:35
Speaker 13: few weeks away from that. What happens if you're in Israeli,
24:40
Speaker 13: Richard Miles's Penny Wong or Anthony Albanese if the next
24:44
Speaker 13: loss has a nuclear warhead. So let's stop playing student politics.
24:49
Speaker 13: Let's stop mouthing stuff about seaside. Let's deal with real situations.
24:53
Speaker 13: And it's funny, Caleb when even Justin Trudeau sounds militant
24:58
Speaker 13: compared to our se ad lost. This is a socialist
25:02
Speaker 13: left government. I disassociate myself from them. I'm so ashamed
25:07
Speaker 13: that a Labor Party would not react to a serious
25:10
Speaker 13: situation like this with an adult way that a Bob
25:14
Speaker 13: Hawk or Kim Beasley would have.
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Speaker 3: Well, Michael, as a former Labor m P, are you
25:22
Speaker 3: still a member of the Labor Party?
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Speaker 13: I am, yeah, and I believe in continuing the fight
25:28
Speaker 13: and I'm not going to leave it to these guys
25:31
Speaker 13: and their childish mouthing of slogans when the situation changes.
25:36
Speaker 13: The ceasefire thing, I remind Richard Miles was considered weeks ago,
25:41
Speaker 13: but there's been this ballistic missile attack. Richard, have you
25:45
Speaker 13: watched the news? Do you have a TV at home.
25:50
Speaker 3: Now? Peter Dutton, he responded to all of this today,
25:53
Speaker 3: take a listen.
25:56
Speaker 10: If Richard Miles wants to go down the appeasement path
25:59
Speaker 10: of Anthony Obniici, that's an issue for him. Paddy Wong's
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Speaker 10: out there calling for restraint, the Prime ministers calling for
26:05
Speaker 10: Israel to step back, Israel is facing an existential threat
26:10
Speaker 10: of extinction.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's essentially said the same thing as you there.
26:16
Speaker 4: You know I've said this before.
26:18
Speaker 3: The government on this issue have had more flip flops
26:21
Speaker 3: than Bondai Beach. You know, they cannot make their mind
26:24
Speaker 3: up because they're sitting on the fence. They're trying to
26:27
Speaker 3: appease both sides. They don't want to be seen to be,
26:30
Speaker 3: you know, not supporting an ally, but at the same
26:35
Speaker 3: time they're really worried about Muslim votes in Western Sydney.
26:39
Speaker 3: You can't have it both ways.
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Speaker 13: Australia is a proud sovereign country, the twelfth richest country
26:47
Speaker 13: in the world. We should behave like adults. Mouthing slogans
26:53
Speaker 13: of the socialist left are just rubbish in the current situation.
26:57
Speaker 13: What do you do if you're in Israeli and the
27:00
Speaker 13: third missile striker is coming with a nuclear warhead on it?
27:04
Speaker 13: These people are crazy. Did you see the people that
27:06
Speaker 13: Andrew Bolt showed pressing the button and doing Allah alakbara
27:10
Speaker 13: incantations before they did it. I mean, would you, if
27:15
Speaker 13: you were a rational, laid back left wing Israeli academic
27:19
Speaker 13: worry about that? If you were wandering around the streets
27:21
Speaker 13: at Tel Aviv. I would and defy all the clarences
27:26
Speaker 13: from Richard Richard Marleson and Anthony Albanese and Pennywong. It's,
27:31
Speaker 13: you know, something that any normal and rational person would
27:35
Speaker 13: be concerned with. And that's why even the recalcitrants and
27:39
Speaker 13: reluctant Biden administration, that's why countries around the world had
27:43
Speaker 13: said Israel has a right to take military action. You can't,
27:46
Speaker 13: Anthony Albanie, say that Israel has the right to self defense,
27:50
Speaker 13: but then in every case where they do it, you say, oh,
27:52
Speaker 13: they shouldn't do it that way. We have to have
27:54
Speaker 13: diplomacy and ceasefire. You know, sometimes, as we did in
27:58
Speaker 13: the Second World War, these things have got to be fought,
28:01
Speaker 13: and I'm afraid Israel is that the sphere point of
28:06
Speaker 13: Western democracies fighting irreconcilably fanatical regimes that would like to
28:12
Speaker 13: destroy not just is Rab but all of us.
28:16
Speaker 3: Indeed, Michael Danby, thank you for your time.
28:19
Speaker 5: Well.
28:19
Speaker 3: Jd Vance's beard, Yes, his facial hair is having its
28:23
Speaker 3: own moments in the headline, apparently for being negative and aggressive.
28:27
Speaker 3: You can't make this stuff up. My panel will join
28:29
Speaker 3: me later in the show. But first, is Queensland Premier
28:33
Speaker 3: Stephen Miles really on track to lose his seat? Demographic
28:37
Speaker 3: profile of John Black will break down, which voters have
28:39
Speaker 3: had enough of the Labor government don't go away? Well,
28:45
Speaker 3: the Queensland election is edging closer and it's becoming clearer
28:48
Speaker 3: by the day that the Males government is steering down
28:51
Speaker 3: the barrel of a landslide loss. I think we all
28:54
Speaker 3: knew it was coming in some way, but new internal
28:56
Speaker 3: polling revealed in the Australian points to an even big nightmare,
29:00
Speaker 3: which is swings against the party are so bad in
29:03
Speaker 3: the outer suburbs that they might just clip Premier Stephen
29:06
Speaker 3: Miles and his Health Minister Shannon Fenderman, of course, the
29:10
Speaker 3: woman who famously does know what a woman is, and
29:13
Speaker 3: Fendomin is actually tipped to become the opposition leader in
29:16
Speaker 3: the likely event of an l NP win, which you know,
29:19
Speaker 3: without her, what the hell is the party going to do?
29:22
Speaker 3: Former Labor senator and demographic profile of John Black joins
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Speaker 3: me now to break it all down, John, walk us
29:29
Speaker 3: through these numbers. How bad does this look for Labor?
29:33
Speaker 14: Well, would appear that Labour's definitely going to lose around
29:36
Speaker 14: about twenty seats based on the polling that we have now,
29:40
Speaker 14: so there's no chance of them surviving, which is fair
29:44
Speaker 14: enough after you spent the best part of the last
29:46
Speaker 14: thirty five years in government.
29:48
Speaker 9: That's to be expected. But the swing is likely.
29:51
Speaker 15: To range from an average or around an average of
29:54
Speaker 15: around about eight percent up to about sixteen to twenty
29:57
Speaker 15: percent in some of the outer suburbs and also in
30:00
Speaker 15: some of the provincial city seats.
30:02
Speaker 14: So what's been happening over the last twenty years or
30:04
Speaker 14: so caliber is that the vote for labor amongst working
30:08
Speaker 14: class men has been declining, and now the position is
30:12
Speaker 14: the work that women who are professionals more likely to
30:16
Speaker 14: be professionals.
30:17
Speaker 9: Much more like to vote labor than working class men.
30:20
Speaker 14: You're more likely to find a working class bloke in
30:22
Speaker 14: Australia in a Conservative coalition seat now than in a
30:26
Speaker 14: labor seat.
30:27
Speaker 9: That means the swings are going to be much greater
30:29
Speaker 9: in the provincial.
30:30
Speaker 14: Cities where you see a lot of working class jobs,
30:33
Speaker 14: a lot of old fashioned manufacturing jobs, and also in
30:36
Speaker 14: the outer suburbs.
30:40
Speaker 3: What about the inner city. I mean, the Greens are
30:42
Speaker 3: threatening to go gung ho like they did last time
30:45
Speaker 3: and in the federal election.
30:47
Speaker 9: Yeah, look they're working hard.
30:50
Speaker 14: I live in one of those seats, and clearly they
30:52
Speaker 14: are knocking on a lot of doors and they're very enthusiastic.
30:54
Speaker 9: I think I've been doorknocked twice. I live in Green.
30:56
Speaker 14: Slabs from the Greens has been aimed specifically at Labor
31:03
Speaker 14: rather than at the coalition. So the problem for the
31:07
Speaker 14: Greens is that whilst they might take some primary votes
31:10
Speaker 14: from Labor, that leaves the voters who are more inclined
31:15
Speaker 14: to vote for the coalition with their second preferences. So
31:18
Speaker 14: we're expecting to see a smaller leakage of preferences from
31:24
Speaker 14: Labor to the Greens and a much smaller labor votes.
31:28
Speaker 14: So the swings that the Greens are getting in primary
31:31
Speaker 14: votes in the inner cities looks like about three percent
31:34
Speaker 14: directly from labor, but Labour's losing a lot more to
31:38
Speaker 14: the coalition. So the coalition I think has its chances
31:42
Speaker 14: improved a bit compared to what it would have been before.
31:48
Speaker 3: Now I'm not going to say that if the LNP
31:50
Speaker 3: wins this and games twenty seats or Labor loses twenty seats,
31:54
Speaker 3: that that means the lnp's got three terms of government.
31:57
Speaker 3: We can't forget what happened to Campbell Newman. It will
32:00
Speaker 3: be a long road back for Labor if indeed they
32:03
Speaker 3: lose twenty seats.
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Speaker 16: Yes, look, a lot depends on how competent the Chrysiphunity
32:11
Speaker 16: government is over the next seven months or so until
32:13
Speaker 16: the federal election, and in the longer term over the
32:16
Speaker 16: next three years. The federal Labor government would be hoping
32:20
Speaker 16: that he makes a mess of it and that he's
32:23
Speaker 16: already achieving the depths of unpopularity that were achieved by
32:27
Speaker 16: Campbell Newman after the first year or so of his government.
32:31
Speaker 16: If that doesn't happen, then we're unlikely to see any
32:35
Speaker 16: gain of seats federally in Queensland by the Labor Party
32:39
Speaker 16: and they're likely to stay down at the fed Rock level.
32:41
Speaker 16: So the coalition government of the LNP government would have
32:46
Speaker 16: to operate pretty competently in order to hold that hold
32:50
Speaker 16: the majority that they have.
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Speaker 3: John Blackett's can to be interesting to watch. Thank you
32:56
Speaker 3: so much for your time. Now. You might remember at
32:58
Speaker 3: school is last year that Australian Police Commissioner Grant Stephen's
33:02
Speaker 3: eighteen year old son Charlie was killed in a hidden
33:05
Speaker 3: run well. Mister Stephens and his wife Emma went to
33:08
Speaker 3: court today in Adelaide to give their victim impact statement
33:11
Speaker 3: ahead of the sentencing of the driver who hit Charlie.
33:14
Speaker 3: He pleaded guilty to aggravate a driving without due care
33:18
Speaker 3: and to leaving the scene of an accident after causing death.
33:21
Speaker 3: I wanted to read you some of what mister Stephens
33:24
Speaker 3: said today in court because his strength through losing his
33:28
Speaker 3: son and staying on as police commissioner, I just have
33:31
Speaker 3: to say, is remarkable. He told the court, you cannot
33:35
Speaker 3: possibly understand what you have taken from us. He's talking
33:38
Speaker 3: to the driver. Your actions that night have changed us
33:42
Speaker 3: and our family forever. We could not begin to describe
33:45
Speaker 3: the loss, and even if we could, we would not
33:48
Speaker 3: truly You would not truly appreciate what the words mean.
33:51
Speaker 3: Losing Charlie just as he was becoming a man has
33:54
Speaker 3: taken so much of the color out of our lives.
33:57
Speaker 3: Not a single day goes by where we don't think
33:59
Speaker 3: about Charlie. The important days are not the same anymore.
34:03
Speaker 3: Where we smile and spend time together as a family,
34:05
Speaker 3: there's a deep sadness that's so much more acute than
34:09
Speaker 3: every other day. Charlie would have been nineteen this year,
34:12
Speaker 3: instead of celebrating, it took all our efforts just to
34:15
Speaker 3: get through the day. We know that the grief is
34:18
Speaker 3: with us for the rest of our lives. Charlie won't
34:21
Speaker 3: be part of those important days other than as a
34:23
Speaker 3: memory and an emptiness we all try to deal with.
34:27
Speaker 3: We see the changes in our children as they try
34:29
Speaker 3: to deal with their grief, and that adds to our sorrow,
34:32
Speaker 3: our heartache. When our two year old grandson calls out
34:35
Speaker 3: Charlie's name when he sees a photo of him, you
34:38
Speaker 3: cannot possibly comprehend how much pain you have cost so
34:42
Speaker 3: many people, pain that doesn't go away. There are songs
34:46
Speaker 3: we no longer listen to without tears. We see the
34:49
Speaker 3: pain in those boys Charlie's friends, particularly the ones that
34:54
Speaker 3: were with him that night when you left him injured.
34:56
Speaker 4: On the road.
34:57
Speaker 3: We were at Goolwa when you took our son from us.
35:00
Speaker 3: Will never be able to go back there again. We
35:02
Speaker 3: acknowledge that you have taken responsibility for what you have done.
35:06
Speaker 3: We are sure this has been difficult for you, but
35:08
Speaker 3: you get to move on. The people close to you,
35:11
Speaker 3: still have you in their lives.
35:14
Speaker 4: We don't have Charlie.
35:15
Speaker 3: We want you to remember Charlie and how your actions
35:18
Speaker 3: have taken him from us. Now we have are memories
35:21
Speaker 3: of him, and that's not enough. I mean the strength
35:25
Speaker 3: to get up and say that in court today and
35:27
Speaker 3: to continue as police commissioner through all of that. I
35:30
Speaker 3: have to say, Grant Stephens, but my thoughts are with you.
35:33
Speaker 3: I don't know how you've done it. Still to come,
35:36
Speaker 3: Labour's net zero targeting further and further away from reality
35:39
Speaker 3: after a major energy operator ditch their plans for hydrogen
35:44
Speaker 3: gas and energy expert Sulkovonicle tell me what all that
35:47
Speaker 3: means through Albanezi later in the show. Plus one body
35:51
Speaker 3: language expert's bizarre take on JD Vance's aggressive beard. That's
35:56
Speaker 3: coming up with my panel next. Lots more to get through,
36:03
Speaker 3: so let's get straight into it with my panel, Scar
36:05
Speaker 3: News commentator Jason Morrison and Liberal MP Zoe McKenzie. I
36:10
Speaker 3: can't get over the sickening, delusional take on the October
36:16
Speaker 3: seventh anniversary of the attacks. I read it out earlier
36:19
Speaker 3: in the program, But the Islamic Council of Victoria President
36:22
Speaker 3: claimed that Muslims need to rally next Monday at El Salmon.
36:27
Speaker 3: He told the Herald Son that holding a vigil on
36:30
Speaker 3: October the seventh for the more than forty thousand lives
36:33
Speaker 3: lost in Israel's genocidal war on Gaza is needed for
36:37
Speaker 3: the community to come together to share its deep grief
36:40
Speaker 3: and anguish and to remember and honor the victims. Jason,
36:44
Speaker 3: they need it. I mean, there's three hundred and sixty
36:46
Speaker 3: four other days of the year, but they need to
36:49
Speaker 3: do it on October the seventh.
36:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you've been quite polite by saying you
36:54
Speaker 6: cannot get over it, because I'm not even shocked at
36:58
Speaker 6: it anymore. I don't think any is really shocked at this.
37:01
Speaker 6: These groups exist for reasons which are very loosely defined
37:07
Speaker 6: as to what their titles often say. And when it
37:10
Speaker 6: comes to the crunch, they're tribalists and this is tribal
37:14
Speaker 6: behavior and they have decided that they've picked aside here
37:19
Speaker 6: that is nothing to do with any morality. It's not
37:21
Speaker 6: to do with any decency. It's got nothing to do
37:23
Speaker 6: with Australian values. It's got everything to do with ancient
37:25
Speaker 6: hatreds that should not even be in this country, but
37:28
Speaker 6: have been imported into this country.
37:30
Speaker 4: And you know, here's it.
37:32
Speaker 6: Remember and as much as we talk about October seven,
37:36
Speaker 6: remember October the ninth when in Sydney we had a
37:39
Speaker 6: rally at the Opera House where there were chants about
37:43
Speaker 6: killing Jews and things spoken in Arabic that are just
37:47
Speaker 6: beyond mentioning on open airways. And the joke of it
37:51
Speaker 6: was joke, stupid word. The ridiculous nature of it was
37:57
Speaker 6: is that there hadn't even been any fighting at that stage.
38:00
Speaker 6: There'd only been one terrorist attack and that was the
38:03
Speaker 6: one committed. So look, are you shocked. I'm not even
38:06
Speaker 6: remotely shocked at this, not one bit.
38:10
Speaker 3: No A fair point, Zoe. What's the Allen government doing
38:14
Speaker 3: about this? At least in New South Wales the police
38:16
Speaker 3: made an effort to go to court.
38:19
Speaker 17: Indeed, And also I think Chris Means has generally been
38:21
Speaker 17: much more frank in his language and his expectations. I
38:25
Speaker 17: would like to see a similar frankness from our Victorian government.
38:30
Speaker 17: I would like to see a similar frankness from the
38:33
Speaker 17: Prime Minister. On Monday evening, I will be at a
38:35
Speaker 17: memorial in Melbourne for what happened on October seven. Josh
38:39
Speaker 17: Burns will be there. He's shown some moral courage on
38:41
Speaker 17: this topic. Michael Danby goodness, the Prime Minister could do
38:44
Speaker 17: with a page out of his book, having watched him
38:46
Speaker 17: on your show just a few minutes ago. It's an
38:49
Speaker 17: outrage that these protests will go ahead, whether that's Sunday,
38:52
Speaker 17: whether that's Monday. Twelve hundred people were killed. Jewish people
38:55
Speaker 17: were killed, Arabic people were killed. They were people who
38:59
Speaker 17: were living close to Gaza Strip, were employed, people from
39:02
Speaker 17: the Gaza Strip, who believed in peace, who believe in
39:04
Speaker 17: a two state solution, and they were slaughtered in their beds.
39:07
Speaker 17: Their children were slaughtered in their beds. Babies were slaughtered
39:10
Speaker 17: in their beds. Two hundred and fifty people were taken
39:12
Speaker 17: into the tunnels in her Mass, and one hundred of
39:14
Speaker 17: them is still there. This is not a day the
39:16
Speaker 17: celebrating or protesting with her Mass or has been our
39:20
Speaker 17: flags flying overhead. It's a day for sorry, remembrance and
39:24
Speaker 17: hope for the peace in the future.
39:27
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, here is your beautiful, rich, multicultural Australia.
39:30
Speaker 4: This is the reality of it.
39:31
Speaker 6: And as much as people want to dance around and
39:34
Speaker 6: pretend that these issues are just little isolated pockets.
39:37
Speaker 4: They are not.
39:38
Speaker 6: We have imported too many horrible, ancient hatreds into this
39:42
Speaker 6: country and they're being allowed to be mainstream by this
39:45
Speaker 6: and anyone who thinks there's going to be a lovely
39:47
Speaker 6: vigil there won't be. It'll be the same hideous crap
39:50
Speaker 6: that we're put up with for the last year. And
39:52
Speaker 6: it's not a place in this country.
39:55
Speaker 3: It's just there needs to be an intervention now, and
40:00
Speaker 3: every state government needs to do it right now. You
40:03
Speaker 3: know that the weekend is just a few days away.
40:05
Speaker 3: Get the hell on with it now, Victoria.
40:07
Speaker 6: They won't because they're as weak as water.
40:09
Speaker 4: But they're all as weak as water.
40:11
Speaker 3: I know they are. Victoria gets the title probably of
40:14
Speaker 3: the worker state in Australia, but South Australia mightn't be
40:17
Speaker 3: too far behind. Of course, I'm back there tonight. It's
40:21
Speaker 3: been reported in the Advertiser today. Apparently this has been
40:24
Speaker 3: on the books for years and no one really took
40:26
Speaker 3: any notice of it, that public school teachers must use
40:30
Speaker 3: a child's preferred pronouns even if their parents don't want
40:34
Speaker 3: them to. Well, finally someone has taken notice of it.
40:37
Speaker 3: One nation, Upper House in Pice. There again, she's going
40:40
Speaker 3: to put in a bill now to reverse it. I
40:42
Speaker 3: mean the fact that it is there in the first place. Jason,
40:45
Speaker 3: You know, it seems in these cases that the state
40:48
Speaker 3: is trying to subvert the rights of the parent.
40:51
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, they're slow learners, aren't they. When did it
40:55
Speaker 6: ever get decided that governments, officials, bureaucrats were the custodians
41:01
Speaker 6: of ethics and morality. That's a parent's job. And if
41:05
Speaker 6: you can't find your way through all of that, and
41:07
Speaker 6: you think there is any recoverable situation, then you go
41:12
Speaker 6: to a higher authority the things called courts for that,
41:15
Speaker 6: But not the local head master, head mistress. We're not
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Speaker 6: looking for the morality of the teacher, and we're certainly
41:21
Speaker 6: not looking for the local social workers input on this one. Parents'
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Speaker 6: first parents always, and if the parents are dead beats
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Speaker 6: or hopeless, go somewhere higher where proper judgments can be made.
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Speaker 6: But I don't know where they're going to get off
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Speaker 6: on thinking that they've got some kind of role or
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Speaker 6: responsibility in all of this. Get out of the way.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you've already tried it on in Victoria,
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Speaker 3: haven't you. ZOI not you specifically.
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Speaker 17: Look, do you know what I think parents are worried about.
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Speaker 17: I've actually spent the last three days in camera on
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Speaker 17: social media inquiry, listening to parents' concerns about what's happening
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Speaker 17: to their children online, what's happening in the world of
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Speaker 17: social media. I think they've got that very front and
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Speaker 17: center reflection on is my child safe in my laundroom?
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Speaker 17: Let me hear what they're also worried about. They're worried
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Speaker 17: about the cost of education going up by eleven percent
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Speaker 17: in the last year. Fruit and vegetable seven point five
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Speaker 17: cereals four point four year and year to July. That's
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Speaker 17: what's keeping parents awake at night. And I do believe
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Speaker 17: what you've just said before. Parents first, right, parents get
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Speaker 17: to send their children into the world, send them into schools,
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Speaker 17: and to make sure that their children are safe. The
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Speaker 17: schools sit in the shoes of the parents for the
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Speaker 17: school day, and they want to know that their kids
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Speaker 17: are safe. So I also backed the will of parents,
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Speaker 17: but I think to some extent, mister Bate has moved on.
42:37
Speaker 17: Most children I know don't know good grammar and just
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Speaker 17: call everybody there and then whether it's a here or
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Speaker 17: a she, so to some extent, I think the boat
42:43
Speaker 17: has sailed on that. But I do believe parents get
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Speaker 17: to right.
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Speaker 3: I worry about this. I worry about the state of
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Speaker 3: the English language. I have to say if the grammar
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Speaker 3: is going out the window. Hey, we haven't got very long.
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Speaker 3: But before I get to the break, I just want
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Speaker 3: to very quickly talk about jd answers beard. Of course, sir,
43:01
Speaker 3: I have a beard myself, so I'd fell off my
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Speaker 3: chair when I read this. A body language expert was
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Speaker 3: quoted as saying, voter see beards as surprise, surprise, more masculine.
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Speaker 3: That can be positive to some, reading a strength and competence,
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Speaker 3: but to others, especially women, it can be negative, conveying
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Speaker 3: aggression and opposition to feminist ideals. I'll give you each
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Speaker 3: ten seconds. Jason, Beard's a toxic masculinity.
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Speaker 6: Can you please stop frightening me with that beard?
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Speaker 9: Mate?
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Speaker 4: I just it's too much, just too much.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they'll try anything, won't they. I mean, he smoked
43:37
Speaker 6: the guy, right, JD smoked the guy, and the ideological
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Speaker 6: left will look for anything to make him look weird
43:44
Speaker 6: and creepy. And if it's the beard, it's the beard
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Speaker 6: today Politico, the outlet that started all this. How shameful.
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Speaker 6: That's not journalism, that's wishful thinking.
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Speaker 3: Zoey, Does he scare you off with that beard more?
43:57
Speaker 3: It's so scary?
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Speaker 18: No, I think beard's a beautiful and handsome I assume
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Speaker 18: he has one because he has a baby face, and
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Speaker 18: it takes him from looking twenty four to thirty six.
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Speaker 18: And when your running mate is almost in his remember
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Speaker 18: it's good not to look twenty four, right anyway?
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Speaker 17: I have no problem with bids, and they certainly don't
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Speaker 17: present as a question.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and I hope you include me in
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Speaker 3: the handsome bid? Where is Zoe Mackenzie Jason Morris? And
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Speaker 3: thank you for your time?
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Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 3: Has Origin Energy burst Labour's green dream bubble after abandoning
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Speaker 3: the hydrogen project? I'll ask gas and energy experts all
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Speaker 3: Carvonic next, don't go away. Someone has just sent me
44:38
Speaker 3: a photo of JD Evans without a bid. I understand
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Speaker 3: why he has one now, just like I do. The
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Speaker 3: Alban Eazy government's green energy dream is getting further away
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Speaker 3: from reality. It would seem Origin Energy has bowed out
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Speaker 3: of its plans to develop hydrogen energy. That the groups
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Speaker 3: exited their proposed Hunter Valley Hydrogen Hub project due to
44:57
Speaker 3: what they say is pace and timing of development of
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Speaker 3: the hydrogen market. Will guess an energy expert, salk of
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Speaker 3: Onic is.
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Speaker 4: With me now, Saul.
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Speaker 3: This is meant to be a major plank of the
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Speaker 3: government's green energy policy. People are moving away from it.
45:12
Speaker 3: Origins moved away from it. Twiggy Forest is moving away
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Speaker 3: from it. It's a bit of a disaster, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: This announcement by Origin is truly the death knell for
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Speaker 1: Labour's green hydrogen ambitions. So just to give you some context,
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Speaker 1: I just had a meeting an hour ago with one
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Speaker 1: of the largest institutional investors in Australia who have material
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Speaker 1: shareholdings in both Origin and Ourica, who are pursuing this
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Speaker 1: project together, and they told me of all the proposed
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Speaker 1: green hydrogen projects in the country, this was the project
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Speaker 1: that had the best ingredients and that had the best
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Speaker 1: chance to proceed. So the fact that Origin, who's a
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Speaker 1: really serious player I've looked at this in depth, invested
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Speaker 1: a lot of money already and called it quits. That's
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Speaker 1: a signal that there's very little charge for all the
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Speaker 1: other hydrogen projects in this country as well. So we're
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Speaker 1: going to see a long list of cancelations of more
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Speaker 1: green hydrogen projects going forward. And this is the problem
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Speaker 1: from a policy perspective of picking winners, because often, as
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Speaker 1: is the case here, they turn out to be a loser.
46:18
Speaker 1: And what we're seeing is, unfortunately, you know, labor fell
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Speaker 1: for this green hydrogen fantasy and as a result we've
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Speaker 1: lost a whole election cycle worth of good energy and
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Speaker 1: industrial policy development. And you know, it's just ultimately of
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Speaker 1: back the wrong horse.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, what does this mean for net zero targets?
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Speaker 3: We already knew they weren't going to hit them as
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Speaker 3: it was, but this can't help matters.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's abundantly clear that the renewable energy target is
46:53
Speaker 1: not going to be met. The carbon reduction target by
46:59
Speaker 1: twenty can be met, but through offsets, not through industrial decarbonization.
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Speaker 1: And this has got ramifications well beyond the net zero targets,
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Speaker 1: which is becoming increasingly clear is not going to be
47:12
Speaker 1: meant anyway. A lot of this is about Australia's blue
47:15
Speaker 1: collar workers, right, So there was a lot of hope
47:18
Speaker 1: and a lot of political capital invested in the idea
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Speaker 1: that green hydrogen was going to come to the rescue
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Speaker 1: of our manufacturing sector and the thousands of manufacturing jobs
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Speaker 1: to replace gas, because we've seen the Labor government's hostile
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Speaker 1: policies towards gas, which means there won't be enough gas
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Speaker 1: there to keep our industrial jobs going. But it's clear
47:36
Speaker 1: that green hydrogen is not coming to the rescue anymore,
47:39
Speaker 1: and so we now have a very real problem where
47:42
Speaker 1: unless we get very urgent investment in gas again, we're
47:47
Speaker 1: going to see thousands and thousands of jobs lost. And
47:49
Speaker 1: you have cascading effects when you have one industrial customer
47:52
Speaker 1: like an Aurica, like Quenos which is already closed and
47:56
Speaker 1: announced that over the last year, you start to see
47:58
Speaker 1: other instillery businesses all so close off the top of that,
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Speaker 1: and you get a cascading effect of many jobs being lost.
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, despite Labour's rhetoric improving on gas now where
48:10
Speaker 1: they do acknowledge belatedly that we actually do need this
48:14
Speaker 1: not just for our energy, but for feedstock for industry
48:18
Speaker 1: where it's not replaceable, which renew at any cost. Right,
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Speaker 1: despite that rhetoric, in terms of actions, we have not
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Speaker 1: seen Labor remove the significant policy hurdles they put in
48:29
Speaker 1: place to invest in more gas, and they keep funding
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Speaker 1: activist organizations like the Environmental Defenders Office, who are actively
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Speaker 1: trying to build all the new gas investment in the country.
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Speaker 3: Saul, I'm sorry we're out of time, but you're so right.
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Speaker 3: We are heading for real problems. Saul Kavonic, thank you
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Speaker 3: so much for joining me.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for your company up now, Paul Murray