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Trump Vows to Root Out "Vermin" · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tim Scott's girlfriend's gay friend, Jon Levin.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitora.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Donald Trump says Americans who disagree with
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  Speaker 1: him are vermin and plans to put immigrant families in camps.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe Biden starts to fight back as he gets
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  Speaker 1: plenty of unsolicited advice from increasingly nervous Democrats. But first,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina Senator Tim Scott became the second major candidate
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  Speaker 1: to drop out of the Republican primary. after a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: night announcement on Fox that shocked even his own campaign staff.
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  Speaker 4: But when I go back to Iowa, it will not
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  Speaker 4: be as a presidential candidate. I am suspending my campaign.
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  Speaker 4: I think the voters, who are the most remarkable people
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  Speaker 4: on the planet, have been really clear that they're telling
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  Speaker 4: me not now, Tim.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to process this information and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: do it on live television.
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  Speaker 3: So forgive me.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Romans 8, 28, such an important scripture. It
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  Speaker 4: says that all things work together for good for those
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  Speaker 4: who love God and are called according to his purpose.
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  Speaker 4: I think the message is clear for me right now.
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  Speaker 1: That was Tim Scott speaking on Trey Gowdy's show on Fox.
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  Speaker 1: Trey Gowdy, former congressman. I didn't even know he had
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  Speaker 1: a show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's great. It's a great show. Are you like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you watch it a lot? Yeah, every Sunday night. What
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  Speaker 3: are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, Tim Scott and Trey Gowdy are close, though, and
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  Speaker 1: he was pretty surprised. Pretty surprised.
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  Speaker 2: It's a small thing, but I find it, like, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually very obnoxious to surprise your campaign staff.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I find that to be so fucking rude. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: so these people that devoted their lives to you, like,
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  Speaker 2: even if it was an hour, I'm not saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: the sooner the better, but like, even if it's right before,
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  Speaker 2: to show these people the respect of giving them the information.
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  Speaker 1: Do a conference call. Jump on a quick conference call
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  Speaker 1: with the HQ.
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  Speaker 2: Let them hear first. Thank them for everything they did
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  Speaker 2: for you. They're taking low pay to come help you,
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  Speaker 2: Tim Scott, run this fucking Don Quixote mission.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good look, Tim Scott.
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  Speaker 3: It is so unbelievably shitty to do to your staff,
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  Speaker 3: to do to your donors, to the people who volunteered
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  Speaker 3: for you. What's the upside of surprising Trey Gowdy on
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  Speaker 3: Fox News with the news.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for content. It was good for us.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he just decided literally in the moment at the interview.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I thought like watching the campaign or watching
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  Speaker 3: the last debate, it seemed like he was going to
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  Speaker 3: drop out the whole time. He just didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: be there.
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  Speaker 1: So Tim Scott and his super PAC spent millions and
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  Speaker 1: millions on ads and staff. He couldn't even break 7%
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  Speaker 1: in the early states, including in South Carolina, his home
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  Speaker 1: state that he represents in the U.S. Senate. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of big donors and pundits from across the political spectrum
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  Speaker 1: had high hopes for Tim Scott. Here's one of them.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the speech was really good. There's a coherence
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  Speaker 2: to what he's doing that makes him a legitimate alternative
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  Speaker 2: in a way that no one else, not even DeSantis,
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  Speaker 2: can really offer. He did better than I expected. I
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  Speaker 2: really was impressed by it. Yes, obviously he's trying to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we don't need to do grievance politics to a group
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  Speaker 2: of people that have become enamored of grievance politics. But
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  Speaker 2: it took someone like Trump to drag them this far down.
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  Speaker 2: And whether or not it works this time Like this
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  Speaker 2: is very clearly to me, the best and only person
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  Speaker 2: I've seen make a case for a way to kind
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  Speaker 2: of drag Republicans back over time. And if it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: work now, it might work in the future. I stand
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  Speaker 2: by that.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to Tim Scott?
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  Speaker 3: Who is that famous fund it? Did I recognize that voice? Um,
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  Speaker 3: like good politics, but with like a comedy edge.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, if you see the video, you can
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  Speaker 2: tell that Tim Scott's campaign lasted exactly as long as
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  Speaker 2: my Manjaro journey, just like exact length of time. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was like day one, but, uh, So I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about what happened to Tim Scott because I
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  Speaker 2: thought I might be confronted by my words.
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  Speaker 1: Your irrational exuberance?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes. And I know there was a moment where
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  Speaker 2: you guys gave me shit at the time. And I
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  Speaker 2: did say, look, I'm not saying it's going to work.
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  Speaker 2: I just like him better than I like the other ones.
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  Speaker 1: I won't say it wasn't just us. I remember after
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  Speaker 1: that podcast, I got a text from Tim Miller, who
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  Speaker 1: was just on our show in New Orleans. And Tim
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  Speaker 1: was like, what's going on with Love It? liking Tim
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  Speaker 1: Scott so much. I, and by the way, here's the
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  Speaker 1: crazy part. I still kind of like him, but the,
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  Speaker 1: so I was thinking about it. I was like, well, what, what,
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  Speaker 1: what happened here?
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  Speaker 2: I think first of all, like when you see Tim
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  Speaker 2: Scott on the stump, he just like, forget like the
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  Speaker 2: message and all the rest. He's just kind of a good,
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  Speaker 2: like he has like, he's, he's got a Senate brain problem.
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  Speaker 2: He just like answers every question in the most like
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  Speaker 2: roundabout fucking way. But there's a, like one thing we
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  Speaker 2: talked about at the time was, is, is there an
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  Speaker 2: appetite for someone attacking grievance politics when the king of
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  Speaker 2: fucking grievance is their leader. And when someone like Tim
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  Speaker 2: Scott isn't willing to go after Trump, like Scott minimized
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  Speaker 2: Trump's responsibility for January 6th. He claimed the justice system
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  Speaker 2: was being weaponized and dismissed Trump's efforts to overturn the
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  Speaker 2: election in Georgia. When he was asked if he would
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  Speaker 2: make the same kind of perfect phone call Trump did,
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  Speaker 2: he refused to say he wouldn't. He raised his hand
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  Speaker 2: and said he would support Trump as a nominee, even
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  Speaker 2: if Trump were convicted. And there was this moment on
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  Speaker 2: the campaign trail in August where some person, some podunk diner,
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  Speaker 2: went up to him and said, How are you running
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  Speaker 2: and not being able to stand up to Trump? How
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  Speaker 2: are you going to stand up for America as president
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  Speaker 2: if you can't stand up to Trump? He got into
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  Speaker 2: this back and forth. And that was when he said
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  Speaker 2: he didn't really hold Trump responsible for January 6th. He
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  Speaker 2: held the rioters January 6th. And the voter responded by saying,
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  Speaker 2: your leader did nothing to help you out for two
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  Speaker 2: hours and kind of got the better of it in
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  Speaker 2: this moment. And if you look at what Tim Scott's
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  Speaker 2: message was, It is not possible to have that message
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  Speaker 2: and believe it if you're not also going to repudiate Trump.
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  Speaker 2: But he was such a kind of weaselly politician about Trump.
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  Speaker 2: The Venn diagram doesn't overlap.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just, though, that he didn't go, like, full-throated
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  Speaker 1: repudiation of Trump. Like, I think only Vivek Ramaswamy has
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  Speaker 1: been more deferential to Trump than Tim Scott of any
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  Speaker 1: of the Republican candidates. And none of them have been, like,
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  Speaker 1: big heroes. I mean, Christie's obviously gone after him pretty hard,
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  Speaker 1: Asa Hutchinson. But, like, DeSantis has gone after him more.
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  Speaker 1: Haley has gone after him more. Tim Scott is fundamental. Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, good speaker, decent speaker, bad debater, terrible debater.
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  Speaker 1: He was bad in all the debates. But the more
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  Speaker 1: fundamental problem is he couldn't consolidate the anti-Trump or post-Trump
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  Speaker 1: people who were looking beyond Trump. He couldn't consolidate that
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  Speaker 1: vote because he offered no critique of Trump whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 1: he also couldn't get any of the MAGA vote like
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  Speaker 1: DeSantis has been able to get a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: his style isn't MAGA at all. Even if most of
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  Speaker 1: his positions are MAGA, his style isn't MAGA. So like
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  Speaker 1: he had no home. Yeah, he was a man without
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  Speaker 1: a home. He was nothing to no one.
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  Speaker 3: He was even corny in his like honest moment of
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  Speaker 3: dropping out. Like, listen, man, you're quitting the race. You
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  Speaker 3: don't have to pretend you like loved the process or
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  Speaker 3: loved the voters. We know you didn't. You didn't do well.
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  Speaker 2: Even when he was asked, like, would you want to
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  Speaker 2: be vice president? He never says no, but he goes like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be president. It's not on my to
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  Speaker 2: do list. It's like there is a there's like a
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  Speaker 2: political caginess in every facet of what he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, he had high approval ratings with voters
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  Speaker 1: even as he dropped out. I think he's people Republican
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  Speaker 1: voters thought he was a nice guy, but he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a message. He didn't have a message to win. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know Love is trying to backtrack here. I think
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  Speaker 1: we actually have one.
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  Speaker 3: More Love It clip.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about Tim Scott is that he's not just compelling,
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  Speaker 2: he's inspiring. He has a voice, a vision, a plan
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  Speaker 2: for the future that is working with voters in Iowa and, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: working for me. The question isn't, will Tim win or not?
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  Speaker 2: Tim has already won. The question is, will I, John Lovett,
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  Speaker 2: famously liberal podcast man, fall in love with him? I
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  Speaker 2: guess time will tell.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what we're... That didn't age well, did it? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's shocking. That did not age well.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize you guys were able to pull that.
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  Speaker 3: Is that from Love or Leave It? That sucks. That
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  Speaker 3: was a good oppo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. Nice work.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking Tim Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Your voice is sounding pretty.
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  Speaker 3: It's getting too good. That's getting pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, then it's going to be not so funny.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty good. There was one other one that Saul flagged.
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  Speaker 2: We stopped recording, right? Okay, cool. God, I am so
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  Speaker 2: sick of these fucking Beyonce and Taylor Swift fans. What boring,
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  Speaker 2: basic bitches.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I can't believe you said that. That is...
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  Speaker 3: Via my $ 5 a month AI software. Too far.
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  Speaker 2: Too far.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I obviously regret it. I didn't know we
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: were still rolling. I thought that was another thing. And
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  Speaker 2: that's in Milo's retirement folder from back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: To be clear, that was all fake news. Those were
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  Speaker 3: fake clips. Fake news.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, do you think Tim Scott's exit has the potential
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  Speaker 1: to change the race at all. He says he's not endorsing,
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  Speaker 1: but his fellow South Carolinian Nikki Haley is reportedly planning
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  Speaker 1: a $ 10 million ad blitz in Iowa and New Hampshire
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  Speaker 1: all the way through the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire
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  Speaker 1: primary that's apparently five times more than what DeSantis is
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  Speaker 1: spending in the same time period.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: She's putting some money on the line now. I mean,
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: the short answer is Tim Scott didn't have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of support to begin with, so it won't go very
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  Speaker 3: far if it gets redistributed. I think he was at
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  Speaker 3: about 4% in the most recent national polls. He had
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  Speaker 3: 7% in the last Des Moines Register poll, and that
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  Speaker 3: was down from 9% in the August one. So I
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  Speaker 3: think if Scott's Iowa numbers get split evenly between DeSantis
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  Speaker 3: and Haley, it probably doesn't change the race because those
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  Speaker 3: two are tied. If Scott's voters go overwhelming to one
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  Speaker 3: or the other, I think it helps narrow the primary
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  Speaker 3: into a two-person race. But again, the big problem for
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  Speaker 3: all of these candidates is that Trump is running away
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  Speaker 3: with the election. He doesn't show up at the debates
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  Speaker 3: and none of them have decided to run against him.
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  Speaker 3: They're all running against each other and trying to destroy
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  Speaker 3: each other. So it does clear the field for Haley
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  Speaker 3: in South Carolina. If there is sort of like a
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  Speaker 3: favorite son, favorite daughter vote, I don't know that there
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  Speaker 3: will be. I do think that she is the most
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  Speaker 3: sort of interesting, viable path, but it's a very challenging.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like with Haley, it's not much, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not nothing. Like you could see her getting a
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  Speaker 1: lot of his donors to the extent that he had,
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  Speaker 1: whatever donors he had, especially because they're both from South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: And so if he had some South Carolina-based donors, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they go to Haley. You know, you got 7% to
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  Speaker 1: throw around in Iowa, New Hampshire, maybe... South Carolina, exactly
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  Speaker 1: like you said to me, though, if they split evenly,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. So she'd have to really get that.
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  Speaker 1: I think if Christie drops out at some point and
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Vivek keeps losing steam, now you're getting closer to like
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  Speaker 1: the three-person race where a Trump to Santa's Haley thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in our fantasy scenarios that we've sketched out
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  Speaker 1: many times now, this is all what she would need
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  Speaker 1: to have that happen, even though it still seems highly unlikely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's, if you left either Trump or
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  Speaker 2: DeSantis to go to Tim Scott and now Tim Scott's gone,
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  Speaker 2: all the reasons to not be with Ron DeSantis remain.
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  Speaker 2: So like maybe there's some way in which this redounds
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  Speaker 2: to Haley kind of helping her get to that true
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  Speaker 2: second position, which has so far been like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is she, isn't she?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the question is, does money matter at all?
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  Speaker 3: We don't, it hasn't so far, but we now live
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: in an era of campaign finance where the laws are
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  Speaker 3: a joke. And basically you run for president by finding
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  Speaker 3: yourself a special billionaire to finance seed your super PAC
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  Speaker 3: and then you run with that person. Tim Scott's billionaire
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  Speaker 3: was Larry Ellison, who I think cut him $ 35 million
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  Speaker 3: worth of checks and then, you know, turned it off.
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  Speaker 3: So if Larry Ellison decides to go with a Haley
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: or go with a DeSantis or go with an anti-Trump
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  Speaker 3: super PAC and put some more money on the table,
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  Speaker 3: that could be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see right before we started recording, there was
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  Speaker 1: a New York Times piece that Larry Ellison didn't, before
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  Speaker 1: Scott ran, he put a bunch of money into like
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: aligned Scott super PACs. but he didn't actually cut the
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  Speaker 1: check once Tim Scott got in the race.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that seems like a good decision.
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  Speaker 3: From 2020 to 2022, Ellison donated $ 35 million to Scotland
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  Speaker 3: groups and then just didn't. Tough. Afterwards. Tough, tough, tough.
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  Speaker 1: I do think, I hate to say this about friend
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: of the pod, Chris Christie, but because I do think
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  Speaker 1: he's been more courageous than the rest of that field
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  Speaker 1: in calling out Donald Trump. But at this point, if
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  Speaker 1: you're really in this to make sure that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: doesn't become president or doesn't become the nominee of your party. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think Chris Christie has to look at Nikki Haley
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  Speaker 1: and be like, she's probably a better bet than me
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  Speaker 1: because he just, it hasn't caught on what he's, I
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  Speaker 1: thought he would go harder at Donald Trump in some
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  Speaker 1: of these debates and he really hasn't. So like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing. Christie being in the race,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what that does except
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  Speaker 1: make it more likely now that Donald Trump wins the nomination.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a, it'd be a, it'd be a
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  Speaker 2: nice little bookend when, He was one of, if not
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  Speaker 2: the first, major establishment figure to line up behind Trump
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  Speaker 2: and say the nomination was over for him to get
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  Speaker 2: out of the race and get behind Haley.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: All right, so back on Earth, the probable Republican nominee
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  Speaker 1: and possible next president... celebrated Veterans Day by pledging to, quote,
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  Speaker 1: root out Americans who disagree with him, who he referred
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  Speaker 1: to as, quote, dangerous vermin. Trump's entire speech in New
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  Speaker 1: Hampshire was fairly deranged, even for him. Here are the highlights.
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  Speaker 5: Like tens of millions of people within our nation, I'm
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  Speaker 5: proud and strong. Election, I'm a very proud election denier.
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  Speaker 5: We had no terror during my administration. The only terror
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: we had was Nancy Pelosi, who's a crazed lunatic. She
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: is a crazed lunatic. What the hell was going on
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  Speaker 5: with her husband?
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  Speaker 2: Let's not ask. By the way, she's got a wall
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  Speaker 2: around her house. Obviously, in that case, it didn't work
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  Speaker 2: very well, did it?
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  Speaker 5: Deranged Jack Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of him?
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  Speaker 5: He's lovely. His wife and family despise me much more
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  Speaker 5: than he does. And he decides, I think he's about
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  Speaker 5: a 10. They're about a 15 on a scale of 10. Today, especially,
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  Speaker 5: in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, We
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  Speaker 5: pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists,
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  Speaker 5: and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within
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  Speaker 5: the confines of our country.
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  Speaker 2: They'll do anything, whether legally or illegally.
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  Speaker 5: To destroy America and to destroy the American dream. The
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  Speaker 5: threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and
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  Speaker 5: grave than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and
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  Speaker 5: anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy
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  Speaker 5: our country, we will make America great again.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, New Hampshire. God bless you.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I can't believe Tim Scott's sunny optimism didn't work on
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  Speaker 1: this party. The Washington Post headline about the speech said
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  Speaker 1: Trump's use of the word vermin was, quote, echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of folks on Twitter were wondering why I
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: didn't get as much coverage and headlines like the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Post as Hillary Clinton's deplorable gaffe. Tommy, what was your
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  Speaker 1: take on the speech?
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  Speaker 3: So that line, we pledge to you that we will
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  Speaker 3: root out the communist, Marxist, fascist, and the radical left
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  Speaker 3: thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,
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  Speaker 3: was delivered one hour and 44 minutes into the speech.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: It was an hour 45. So he riffed for an
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: hour and 44 minutes, and then that was his I guess,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Stephen Miller prepared close?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was definitely prepared because it was also,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: he truthed it. He truthed that exact riff after the speech.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: So it was clearly a set. And you could tell
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: when he's reading off the prompter, you know, and he's
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: not doing his freewheeling performance. He's definitely reading it.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: The rest of it, it was a mix. It was
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of like greatest hits. It was a lot of,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: you know, in Afghanistan, they left the equipment behind and
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: the generals told me not to. There was the death
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: penalty for drug dealers. He talked about, again, how hot,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: The pilots on Air Force One are hotter than Tom
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Cruise and taller was my takeaway. The funniest part of
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: the whole speech was he did a bit making fun
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: of DeSantis walking off the stage at the debate. Did
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: you guys catch this?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: No.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We talked about he looked like he was wearing
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: on ice skates. Yeah. That's good. Pretty good stuff.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: That's good for a guy that's that. Listen, I've done
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: my my what's it called? Defamation training. So I don't
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: know that Trump wears lifts or not. But sometimes Trump
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: looks like he's wearing lips to me.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, to you. To me. I do think that ending
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: was written in the hopes that, you know, it would
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: get picked up and that progressives like us would freak
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: out and say that, you know, could be the owning
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: the lips part of the speech.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: At a time when they know, knew that what we'll
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: talk about next, this big immigration story was also coming
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: out because they knew that, you know, that they'd sent
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: them to Stephen Miller to talk about it. When a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: spokesperson for Trump was asked about the comparison to Vermin
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and Mussolini and Hitler, and that spokesperson said, you're all
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of snowflakes. and your existence will be
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: crushed in a Trump second term, which is sort of like.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: First he said your entire existence.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: And then he clarified. And then they clarified to... Sad,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: miserable existence. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: How dare you wonder if calling your opponents vermin evokes
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the darkest chapters in our political history. You'll be destroyed
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: upon our victory on a pyre of vengeance. The woke
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: communists compare us to Nazis again. You're going in the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: camps with the foreigners and the fags.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, referring to Americans who disagree with you as vermins, like,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Americans that you want to represent as president is dehumanizing language.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It is the language of dictators. Hitler used the words
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to describe Jews and the left, not once or twice,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: often Hitler used that word. Now, the most charitable explanation
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: is that it was designed to provoke and troll liberals
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: and get attention. Even if you go with that explanation,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It is incredibly dangerous to do, considering that there have
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: been so many instances where his supporters, who include neo-Nazis
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and white nationalists, take that as a call to violence.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: But there's also a darker possible explanation, is that it's
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: not just a provocation, but it's a threat that he
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: intends to follow through on if he becomes president.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's sort of a root-out situation. This
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: is not a policy critique. He's going to root them out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: We all lived through January 6th, right? A bunch of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: his supporters violently assaulted the Capitol, violently assaulted police officers,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and now he's talking about vermin.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that he does this
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: hoping to get the story he got in the Washington
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Post where a bunch of historians compare it to the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: language used by Hitler and Mussolini, and most people read
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: that and they don't really have a basis to draw
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: from to know if that's right or wrong, but they
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: do probably think it sounds a touch alarmist and a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: touch extreme, so then this the spokesperson gets to call
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: a snowflake. It's dangerous rhetoric. It's bad. I think there's
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: like much more on the speech that is worthy of
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: focusing on. I mean, I do think the comparison to
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's basket of deplorables quote is imperfect because she
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: said that in September of 2016, right? We were like
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: a couple months out from the election. It was the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: heat of the campaign. She was the nominee. Everyone was
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: paying a lot of attention. And so it became a
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: big thing, but mostly because Republicans made it a big thing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Every single one of them brought that up. the right
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: wing media ecosystem brought it up. Like they made that
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: a story. It didn't just happen. So that's, that's the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: opportunity for Democrats. That also was a gaffe, right? That
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: was like, she, she like stumbled into that. It was that,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: that statement.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: This was like you said, this was designed to do
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: something either, either provoke or, or send a warning.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: It's also, I mean, there's also just, there really is a, um,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: an asymmetry in what is allowed in our politics. Uh,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Republican politicians are allowed to mock and deride and, describe
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: as terrible, whole parts of the country, Americans that they
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: don't like as not being real, as their cities being
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: overrun and being terrible, urban areas are terrible, but the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: reverse is not true. A Democrat cannot say, cannot insult
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: rural America, cannot insult all the many problems that exist
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: in rural America that is seen as beyond the pale
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and they pay a price and they have to apologize.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And Trump benefits from that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But it's also the type of language Democrats use versus
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: what Trump's doing, right? Which is like Democrats who are
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: insulting rural America or insulting Trump supporters are like, they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: rubes or they're deplorable, like vermin that need to be
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: rooted out. It is, it is dehumanizing language, whether he
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: intends to use it just as troll or not. And like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, we've had people send fucking pipe bombs to people.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: We've had like the, I mean, there's just, it's a,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it's a dangerous thing to do at this point.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: On that point. Okay. So we heard that bit he
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: did where there were, there were no terrorist attacks during
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: my administration, except for Nancy Pelosi. Ha ha ha. Of
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: course there were terrorist attacks. Yeah. I didn't get when the,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the ISIS linked ISIS, guy mowed down like eight people
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: in New York City with his car. That was a
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: terrorist attack. There was a Saudi service member who shot
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: up a base in Florida and killed a bunch of U.S. airmen.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: The shooting in El Paso, right?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: He doesn't include white nationalism. Right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Even though that language was directly linked to Trump's rhetoric?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Again, so like the days of fact-checking Trump until he
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: loses are long over. But I do think highlighting things
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: like that, it's like, I'm sorry, do you not remember this?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: The worst terror attack since 9-11 happened on your watch
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: in New York City, your home city. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I will say, too, to your point, Tommy, about deplorables
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was a thing because Republicans made it a thing. So
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: White House put out a statement from Deputy Press Secretary
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Andrew Bates attacking Trump for this language, for the speech.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I kind of think Joe Biden should call it out
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: next time he has a chance. Like it, I know
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: they need to set up the right thing. It needs
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to be a campaign environment or you don't want to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: do it from the Rose garden or whatever it is.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But some reporters going to ask him about it. If
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that either do it then or do it at the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: next campaign stop. But like, I think the few things
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: lay out the stakes of the race better than making
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: sure every person and not just news junkies know that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: this is what Donald Trump is saying out there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And I do think the, like, If Joe Biden were
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to say, you know, I saw Donald Trump out there
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the other day. He said he's a proud election denier,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and he said Americans he don't like, they're vermin. He
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: called them vermin, and that's not the America I know.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: That's not the America I believe in. I love all Americans,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: even the ones that vote against me, and I think
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: we want to get past the kind of chaos and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the cruelty and the divisiveness that we've been dealing with.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That's what Iran, the soul of the country. It's right,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and you know he cares about it. You know he's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: passionate about it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And it has the benefit of both being a great
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like attack on Trump and just a contrast because it is,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it's such a strength of Joe Biden's because that's always
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: who he's been.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Back when, uh, back when the truth meant something, people
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: used to talk about something called a Kinsley gaffe, which
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: is a gaffe when you accidentally tell the truth.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Hillary, Hillary calling the, the MAGA voters deplorables with a
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Kinsley gaffe. Trump's saying he's an election denier is a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Kinsley gaffe. If we, if we see that clip over
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and over again, that will get through to people. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: am an election denier. Like he's so, he is so
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: confident in the, in the, in the kind of fractured
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: media environment and the fact that a lot of what
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: he does is just noise, that people aren't paying attention,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that only his people see it. He's gotten so cocky
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: about that that he's forgotten that you can't go in
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: front of the cameras and say, I'm an election denier,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that there is still a way to make someone pay
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: for something like that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: You could use that in a clip.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, he's also got crazy plans to go along
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: with his crazy speeches. The New York Times ran a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: long story that included an interview with Stephen Miller about
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the extreme immigration crackdown Trump will carry out if he wins.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: The piece says he's, quote, preparing to round up undocumented
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: people already in the United States on a vast scale
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and detain them in sprawling camps while they wait to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: be expelled. Trump will carry out what he's calling the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: largest deportation in American history without Congress, without due process hearings,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and with the help of local police and National Guard
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: troops from Republican-run states that are deputized to work along
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with ICE officials to.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Do these raids.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: The raids will also target undocumented families and children known
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: as DREAMers, many who've lived and worked here for decades.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And Trump and Miller both feel confident, according to the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: story and according to Miller's interview, that this Supreme Court
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: will uphold all these actions. Were you guys as terrified
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of this story as I was? Like, obviously, some of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Trump's immigration proposals are more popular in polls than we
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: would like. And I think some of Biden's worst polling
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is on the issue of immigration. But how much do
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you think he and the Democrats can make Trump's plans
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: an issue in 2024?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is it's notable that they are taking
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: some of the things that they were criticized for the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: most and amping them all up. The Muslim ban, like
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you mentioned, they want to eliminate political asylum, reinstating Title 42,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: which is what Trump and then Biden used to keep
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: asylum seekers out of the country during COVID. They want
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to use that for diseases like the flu or tuberculosis,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: basically just broad based getting rid of asylum. They want
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: to kick all the refugees out. Afghanistan out who came
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: here after the Taliban takeover and even revet the ones
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: who helped U.S. forces. So like this is incredibly extreme.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I think one important note for listeners is this didn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: come out because of a leaked document or someone saying
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: something they should have. This was Stephen Miller laying it
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: out on the record to the leading, you know, mainstream
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: media progressive publication. Right. So what this says to me
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is Trump wants immigration to be the focus of the
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: primary in the general election. And so I think we
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: hear these proposals and we find them horrifying, but you
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: also need to realize that I think the polling on
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: immigration is so bad at this point and people's feeling
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: about the handling of the southern border is so bad
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: that some of these things might be more popular than
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: we think. We just don't know. Like 73% of the
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: country thinks the government is doing a bad job at
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: the southern border. 52% of respondents say it's very important
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to require people to apply for asylum before they travel
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: to the border. 70% of Republicans say illegal immigration is
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: a very big problem. 47% of the country total thinks that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: This is from a Pew poll in 2023. So what
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I think President Biden needs to do is lay out
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: this comprehensive immigration plan of his own, show that he's concerned,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: that he's tackling the issue. Because I think what people
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: are seeing on the news is constant stories of crisis
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: on the southern border, chaos. If they're watching Fox News,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: they're seeing worse. And then highlight some of the least popular,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: most alarmist and scary things that Trump laid out and
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: lift those up. But you got to do both. You
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: have to show that you have a plan. You're on it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: This is something that's important to me. This is the alternative.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to your point about the polling and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: obviously Trump is trying to conflate a whole bunch of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: things here. A lot of people worried about the border,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: worried about the influx of migrants coming to the United States.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: They want more border security. They want an immigration system
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that is orderly and fair and But this is not that, right,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: what Trump is laying out here. Imagine police officers, National
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Guard from Republican states conducting raids, rounding up immigrant families
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and children who are suspected of being undocumented, suspected, putting
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: them in camps. They're building new camps in Texas. That's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: what they want to do. And then deporting them without
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: due process. Imagine how that could go. He's going back
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to the idea of mass deportations of the 10 to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: 15 million undocumented immigrants that who are currently in the
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: United States, many of whom who've been here for decades,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: who are the vast majority of whom are working, which,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: by the way, deporting them wouldn't just be inhumane and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: difficult to pull off. It would be devastating to the economy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And in all the polling that you cited was right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: When you ask people, and this is from a June
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: 2023 Gallup poll, when you ask people whether they're sympathetic
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: towards undocumented immigrants who are here today, 64% are very
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: or somewhat sympathetic. 61%, oppose or strongly oppose mass deportations
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of undocumented immigrants. Support for Dreamers still polls in the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: 70s or 80s. Even when Trump won in 2016, the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: same exit poll that had him winning also gave voters
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a choice between offering, would you offer legal status to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants who are already here, or would you deport
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: them back to their home country? Legal status won by
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: 70 to 25 percent. So it's totally about lifting up
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the mass deportation side of things, which is not very popular,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but also taking seriously that people are pissed off about
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: what's going on on the border.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's worth remembering the three biggest drops that Trump ever
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: had in his approval rating were January 6th, health care,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the effort to repeal Obamacare, and the chaos around issues
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like the Muslim ban and the incredible fear of what
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump would unleash in the early days of his presidency.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: This is not also just about undocumented immigrants. This is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: about the American citizen children of people that might be undocumented.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: This also, one thing they talked about in that article
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: is about attempting to deny citizenship to the American born
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: children of undocumented people. That is illegal and not, it
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is no more Trump's decision who is an American than
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it was Mike Pence's decision who won the electoral college.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It is just a made up right wing, birthright citizenship.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It is in the constitution. It is a made up thing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: They're trying to abuse the fact that when a diplomat
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: from another country comes to this country, they are there
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: as a representative of a foreign country to try to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: deny citizenship to Americans because of the wrong color. But
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: the thing that I also think is just the amount
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of chaos they want to unleash in the early days
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: of this administration, the cruelty and chaos that this would cause,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the disruption to the economy, the disruption to businesses, the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: protests and divisiveness that this would cause is exactly what
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: people dislike the most from the Trump era. And I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: think highlighting that, talking about the fact that this would
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: be a brutal, cruel, divisive, polarizing, and ultimately unsuccessful effort
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to disrupt the lives of millions of people and the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: economy is, I think, the thing we have to do.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So the part that I was sort of thinking about
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: as I read the piece was, what are the guardrails
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to protect us from this? And which are still there
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and which would be gone? And I just sort of
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to take us through what some of those were.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So Donald Trump wins and he decides he's going to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: implement this broad plan. I was just trying to think
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: through some of the things that stood in the way
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of Trump doing these kinds of things in the first term.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: One is just Trump's incompetence, right? The other is just
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: with judges. There were a ton of judges that stepped in.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: There were Republican squishes in the administration that refused to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: go along with it. There were nonpolitical bureaucrats that refused
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to go along with it. And then there was political
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: pressure from congressional Republicans that who were either a problem
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in and of themselves or as a weather vane for
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: political pressure the Republican felt. And the incompetence will still
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: be there, but the judiciary shifted to the right. This
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: whole thing is about a plan to make sure there
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: are no more Republican squishes in the second term. This
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: is a plan to put, what, 50,000 right-wingers into positions
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of the bureaucracy. And a lot of the Republicans that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: stood in the way of Trump in any way, rhetorically,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: any kind of criticism, many of them are gone and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: most of them have brought them to the fold.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, I mean, to your point about the plan
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to put all the, all the Trump loyalists in, there's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that Axios did a pretty well reported story today about
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: these ideological screenings that they're doing right now for federal employees.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And they, they're sort of breaking them into tranches, right?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Like there's the ones that they could, like they get,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: they want to get rid of the civil service protections
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and insult everyone. But they also, for just the political appointees, right,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: which they know they're going to get, they're going through
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: these ideological screenings. It's like Stephen Miller's running this operation
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and Johnny McEntee, who was the head of personnel, and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: they're basically going through, they're combing through their social media histories,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: asking them questions, and they just want, they want Trump loyalists,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: but they also want, like, experts. And they don't want
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the incompetent buffoons. They want to actually get people who
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: just don't love democracy and the rule of law, but are, like, smart.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's this whole, like, I think, Heritage
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Foundation plan to cobble together the most right-wing possible government
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: they can find. They're also going to try to fire
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: all the civil servants and replace them with political hires.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, this whole thing is just a piece of
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: a broader accelerationist puzzle where they're not going to be
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: building the plane on the fly this time. They're going
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to have some scary shit ready to go on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: first day he's in office.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Chris Christie was ostensibly supposed to run
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the transition last time. That is not going to be
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in charge.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: No Jared and Ivanka either.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Or like Pat Cipollone, right? The White House counsel who
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: was like a real lawyer who would say, no, we
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: can't do that. That's illegal. That's unconstitutional. Like those people
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: are gone.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Like a lawyer that is going to sign off on
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: denying social security numbers to the American born children of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: undocumented immigrants is a lawyer that will sign off on
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: fucking anything.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And then say, fight it out in the courts we
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: packed last time. Right.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And also, yeah, exactly. And, you know, is this Supreme Court,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: is John Roberts and, you know, going to, Round up
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a majority to stop some of this shit? Yeah, some
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of it, maybe. Probably not all of it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the majority that existed where John Roberts could
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: join Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the other liberals is gone
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: because Ruth Bader Ginsburg famously died.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's true.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: One big thing we can do to avoid this, elect
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a Democratic president, Jill Biden, current Democratic president. In the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: New Orleans show we just had, we talked about how
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Biden showed a little more fight in last week's speech
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to UAW workers. NBC is reporting that Biden personally made
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the decision to hit Trump harder in that speech and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that he's planning to, quote, shift more into campaign mode
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: with plans to increasingly attack Trump after some of his
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: allies have urged him to do so in recent days.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: He's apparently getting lots of advice these days. Politico's Jonathan
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Martin just spoke to dozens of Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Some of their suggestions, so Jay Mart writes this column,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and it just basically, it voices, it sort of like
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: summarizes all the suggestions he got from these dozens of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: people he spoke to. Some of the suggestions included enlisting
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney in his re-election fight, making
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Rahm Emanuel chair of his campaign, and appointing Bill and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton as Middle East peace envoys. What'd you guys
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: make of all the advice contained in the NBC and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: J-Mart pieces?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: It's no bad ideas in a brainstorm. I mean, look,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: so current strategy not working. Time to get more aggressive. Yes,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I support that. I think Jonathan Martin's story was revealing
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: in that it reflects a high level of anxiety among
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the kind of operative and consultant class, but also the
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: fact that good ideas are hard to come by for
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: how to fix it if you're Joe Biden, right? And
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: so I think there weren't a ton of ideas that
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I think I'd pluck off that Politico shelf. But, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: getting never Trump Republicans out there on the campaign trail,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: not a bad idea. Maybe ditching Bidenomics if it's not
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: polling well, not crazy. Focusing on abortion. Absolutely right. I
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: do think there's been some polling and focus groups recently
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: that show Most voters don't think Trump is as extreme
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: on abortion as he is. And he has given us
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: thousands of judges and quotes and votes to use to
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: put in an ad and get that out there. So,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you know, we've already seen the White House office press
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: office ramp up their messaging. They've you know, there's these
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: new social media accounts that are putting out clips of
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Trump stumbling, getting the name of the president wrong seven
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: times in a month, like things that weren't getting out there.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: six months ago that I think has been effective. I
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: do like to hear that Biden himself is like, all right, no,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: it's time to start punching Trump in the face. Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: There was a third category to add to your two of,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of the kind of advice in the piece, which was
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: please run a campaign in 2024.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of the advice, like you should like
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: make it a choice, not a referendum. Like, yeah, that's
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: like a really good idea. And presumably not something that
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have occurred to the 2024 Biden campaign, make a,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: make abortion an issue. Do stuff to combat the age concerns. Yeah. No,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a really important.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Thing to do.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Every time we say this, I try to like unpack
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it because do something. Well, okay. He can't get any younger.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: That's off the table.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Get one of those machines from Star Trek Insurrection.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: If you know, you know. Well, and they'll say, look,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: he went to Ukraine. He went to Israel. Like he's
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: out there. He's in war zones. Like he's doing real things.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: This is not, you know, someone who's not on top
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of his faculties. A lot of the advice was like
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: super inside baseball stuff about where current staffers should be
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: working out of. Like, should they work in the West
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Wing or should they be in Delaware? I think the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: reality is that Joe Biden is incredibly, he leans on
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: a small group of staff very hard and he's going
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to want them in the White House. sitting with him,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: not in a campaign office in Delaware. So like some
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: of that stuff didn't land with me, like sending Mike
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Donald into the campaign. I just don't think that's... Maybe
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: it works, maybe it doesn't.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I also just like, if Hillary and Bill want to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: go to Gaza, I guess like.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Tommy, what do you think about the Clintons as a
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Middle East peace envoys?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that would work as well.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Thinking about a way to make... The wars in Ukraine
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: and Gaza, not your constant day-to-day focus is a good idea.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: If you can name some envoy or something to kind
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: of like get that off your day-to-day messaging plate and
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: focus on economics or other things, that might be good.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Easier said than done. I cannot think of a better
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: way to bring back disaffected young progressives. then bringing back
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Rahm Emanuel as your campaign chair.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what I took? It's such a strange.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: What?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: But here's what I took from that.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Who gave that advice?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Here's what I heard from that, though.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Here's what I heard.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: What I took from that was someone who's like just
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: sitting in their house, fucking nervous. Be like, we need
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: somebody who's going to really make things. So who's someone
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: who curses? Who's someone who's going to really make things good?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Someone who's going to be, who's going to yell a lot.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I just, well, at one point it was like, bring
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: back Ron Klain for some big role. Yeah, sure.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Love that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they should. And that's probably going to happen. Yeah, exactly.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I also think there was a point about, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it is fun and often warranted to complain about media coverage,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: complain about people underestimating Joe Biden, complain about the polls.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's always the best use of
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: energy and focus. And I don't know that it always
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: moves the needle that much. I think like really focusing
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: on the choice and getting people to think about the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: choice all the time and attacking Donald Trump all the time.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: If you're the campaign, I think that's probably a better
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: use of time, but you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Know, I think, I think that's, I think that's of course, right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I do think that there was like a confusion, the
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: piece between projecting confidence and having confidence. Like, Joe Biden
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: should not be out there being like, I'm really worried
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: about these polls and the age is going to be
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a huge problem. Like, no, he should be out there
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: saying I'm like every president believes his accomplishments are being
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: undercovered and underappreciated. And for Joe Biden, that is a
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: real and serious problem for him as a candidate, but
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: for our country.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Don't know if the polls are real or not, but
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'm going to change the minds if
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I need to. And I'm going to show people what
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the choice is in this race. And I'm going to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: run the race and tell them the stakes and what's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: going to happen if Donald Trump becomes president and what's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: going to happen if I'm president.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I think the job of president is incredibly hard. Every
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: president ever in history feels like they're treated unfairly by
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the media. I think you do, though, have to project
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: a little more confidence. Like there was a clip where
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Peter Doocy from Fox News was asking Biden about the
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: bad New York Times poll. He kind of got in
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: his face and wagged his finger and was like, we'll
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: send you eight other polls. I'm like, that's not the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: way to approach this. Don't send any polls. Don't send any.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: a little less defensiveness, a little less focus on the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: kind of briefing room and more getting out in the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: country with mostly with paid media to reach the voters
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: that you've lost because they're not reading Politico.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, too, is it's like that's a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: moment where whatever you're going to say is going to
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: be newsy and covered. And it's like that was now
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a little referendum that you don't agree with that polling
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: as opposed to what you were saying. But like it
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: is absolutely true that it is Joe Biden and the
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Biden campaign's job to address the fact that vast numbers
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: of Americans have absolutely no idea what he accomplished. But
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: like It frustrates me sometimes when the coverage puts that
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: entirely at the feet of Democrats. Like, yes, practically, in reality,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: we can't just complain about it. We have to live
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: in that environment. But like stepping back for a second, like, yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that's a huge indictment, not just of Democrats, but of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: our entire media ecosystem, about the way politics is covered,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: about our attention spans, about all of it. Like we
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: are on we are we just talked about the Republican
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: candidate referring to his political opponents as a vermin planning
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to set up camps and deport millions of people. And
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it will barely get coverage and most people won't know
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: about it. Trump is so cocky about that. He's saying
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: incredibly unpopular things on the stump, relying on the fact
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that most people won't be able to separate the signal
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: from the noise. Like that's an American problem. It's not
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: just a democratic problem.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, but also you're not going to solve that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Your campaign, what you can control is the ads that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you run, what your candidate says, what all the surrogates say,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and hopefully what most of the party says. And I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: think to that extent, you know, the, the mess, the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: advice that keeps coming up is on, they got to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: figure out the economic message.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And I do think the, here's all we did.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Here's all we did.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Like, I just think it's of limited value when so
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: many people are still pissed about prices that.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Won't go down.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before that it's like, yes,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: inflation has come down, but prices are still high. And again,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: it's a place where you draw the contrast, right? And like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: what is, what is Donald Trump going to do to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: bring prices down? Donald Trump, who ran as a populist
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: last time. And then once he got into office, Listen
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to Paul Ryan successfully cut taxes for the rich, tried
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to eliminate Obamacare and health care altogether, tried to cut
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Medicare and Social Security.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Like you get a promise. Another corporate tax cut already.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: And you just got it. You really got to make
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the economics about a choice.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: It's hard because Trump, his primary message is the economy
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: was better when I was president. And now it's bad.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Gas was cheaper when I was president. Now it's bad.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: There were fewer wars when I was president. And now
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: look at Ukraine and Israel. So, again, like to the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: to the point about immigration. I, the media has covered
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: the hell out of this immigration. Like the Trump people
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: rolled it out to the New York times. Then he
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: talked about it as a rally. Like it's not, not
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: getting covered because they want it to get covered. The
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: problem is there's a policy problem at the border that
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden can't solve in large part because Congress won't
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: help him solve it by passing a law or doing
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: anything constructive here. So that's like the challenge of being
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the incumbent here. I mean, Trump just gets a lot
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: of bombs, which is always the challenge.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And that's, but like, You know, we dealt with that
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: when Obama ran in 2012 and we dealt with different challenges,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: but we, you know, ours was like persistent unemployment from
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the great recession. And yeah, we have the jobs chart
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of all the jobs that Obama created, but he didn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: stop at just being like, oh no, I look at,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I created all these jobs.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It's working.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: It's working. It's working.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It's, he said, what's Mitt Romney going to do? Well, what's,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like, what is this going to, what's his plan?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And to Tommy's point, even Trump does have this like
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: hazy memory of, you know, the economy was better. It's like, okay,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, what are you going to do to lower prices?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: You have any ideas?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And there were so many stories like this, this kind
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: of story, the thing that the reason I bring up
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's not just a democratic problem is like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: there is this, you know, Republicans think that this kind
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of like the mainstream media is biased. And I, and I,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I think it does treat Democrats as the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: protagonist and Republicans as the antagonist. And that often redounds
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to a democratic advantage in the way stuff is covered.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: But in moments like this, that hand-wringing, that hand-wringing, like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It is from the point of view of worried Democrats.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It is baked into the piece that it is a
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: bunch of worried people trying to figure out what Joe
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Biden has to do to fix this problem. And the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: thing is, part of what makes it a problem for
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is he is covered in a different way.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: He is held to a higher standard. The worry and
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: concerns about Biden polling, you will never see a story.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: If there's a couple of weeks of polling, there is
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: no equivalent version of this story on the right. There'll
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: be a version of it, but it doesn't it doesn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: rise to this level. They don't get covered with this
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: level of specificity. There's no one doing staffing recommendations for
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: a Republican campaign in this way. It's just different.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think every side thinks the other side.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Republicans all say, ah, Democrats never do infighting. They don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: attack each other. And our side does. And we say
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: the same thing about that. I just think it's hard
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: to be in charge and it's hard to run. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I also, like the whole standard shit.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Messina, Joe Messina, Obama's campaign manager in 2012 wrote a
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: piece that was like right next to Jay Martz piece
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that was like, you know, no need to panic over
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Biden and don't sweat the doom and gloom polling and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: early polls are unreliable. And then he had some good
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: advice about like economic messaging and stuff like that. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I everyone no one should panic, of course. But like
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: people are worried because fucking democracy hangs in the balance. Well,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: there's like people are going to get worried, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and they're going to want to make sure that Joe
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Biden can pull this off. And it's like super important.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: And the Biden message is the soul of the nation
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: is at stake. The future of democracy is at stake.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: So we're allowed to worry.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: There's one part of the story where he says, the
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: country knows exactly who Donald Trump is. Many are unbothered
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: by it and no amount of scolding will make them say, oh, wow,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I guess he is a bad guy. And I was like, well,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: hold on a second. Like we do like this idea
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that like, again, that like Donald Trump's badness is like
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: so thoroughly baked in that it's not worth talking about. Like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I do think that like it's not maybe people know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: but they may not feel it. And we're going to
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: have to make it present for people like I don't
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I don't agree.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And I really since he buys and it has to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: be perspective because at the end of the day, voters
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: care about like anyone cares about like what's going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: impact my life. What's my life going to be like
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: if Donald Trump is president? I don't want to hear
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: about the past. I don't want to hear about his
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: character in the past. Like, what is he going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Is it going to be so bad? or what's Joe
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  Speaker 1: they want to, when people say elections are about the future,
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  Speaker 1: the vermin comment, right? Like, that immigration, building the camps,
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