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Episode 56: Sjana Elise Earp, Yoga Instructor & Blogger · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hurdlers, You are listening to episode fifty six of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 1: a podcast that talks to everyone from top CEOs to
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and athletes about how they got through tough times
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  Speaker 1: hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Emily Abodi and I am feeling good today.
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  Speaker 1: Finally, I'm writing the high from watching the Brooklyn Half
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  Speaker 2: Congrats to all of those who ran, and I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode, I am chatting with Sianna Elise Erp.
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  Speaker 1: She's a yoga instructor that's made a huge name for
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  Speaker 1: herself on Instagram. She has more than one point six
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  Speaker 1: million followers. She also has a highly popular YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 1: and she's on the Sweat app. If you've never heard
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Sianna. She grew up in
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  Speaker 1: Australia and as a teenager she had pretty tough time.
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  Speaker 1: From the outside looking in, everything was great. She was
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  Speaker 1: from a loving home. She's a beautiful girl. She's super active,
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  Speaker 1: but in reality she was dealing with severe depression caused
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  Speaker 1: by what doctors told her was a chemical imbalance. She
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  Speaker 1: tells me that literally she had nothing in her life
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  Speaker 1: to be upset about, but still had such negative thoughts
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  Speaker 1: consuming her, so much so that at age sixteen, she
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  Speaker 1: even attempted suicide. She got the help she needed to
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  Speaker 1: deal with the disease and soon leaned into journaling and
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  Speaker 1: moving her body to move forward. And that's when she
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  Speaker 1: started her Instagram account at Siana Elise SJA na E
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  Speaker 1: li Se, which spread like wildfire, sharing photos of herself
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  Speaker 1: trying different yoga poses and beautiful places. When I met
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  Speaker 1: Siana in Miami at the retreat By Function, which is
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  Speaker 1: essentially fitness, wellness fashion festival of sorts. They have it
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  Speaker 1: in Austin in Miami the one that we went to,
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  Speaker 1: and also there's one in September in New York. And
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  Speaker 1: when I met Siana there, she was so welcoming right
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  Speaker 1: from the get go. She's one of those people that
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  Speaker 1: walks up to you gives you this huge hug, a
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  Speaker 1: kiss on the cheek. Seriously, she's such a positive example
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  Speaker 1: for so many people that keep up with her, and
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  Speaker 1: I just feel really awesome about today's conversation and about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I get.
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  Speaker 2: To bring her story to the hurdlers.
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  Speaker 1: with that, Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today. I'm sitting here with Sianna Elise or don't I
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  Speaker 2: know I'm gonna get it. No one can get it. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: you actually nailed it, nailed well.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like because most of your followers know you
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  Speaker 1: as a lease, it's like when I throw your last
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  Speaker 1: name into the world, they're like, whoa, yeah, who's that curveball?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sianna, what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: I am an international yoga teacher. I'm a full time
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  Speaker 3: traveler fun sake of frolica, I suppose, And I kind
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  Speaker 3: of just tried to live my life in a way
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  Speaker 3: that can live by example for other people, especially other women,
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  Speaker 3: to live their best life and to learn to love
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  Speaker 3: themselves and embrace whatever that means for them.
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  Speaker 1: I love this idea of like international yoga teacher. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like International Woman of Mystery. I'm rich, so by
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  Speaker 1: your accent. Obviously. We are recording this right now in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Both here this weekend for the retreat By function. We've
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  Speaker 1: had a nice bit of fun.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of fun and a lot of sweat.
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  Speaker 1: But now we're here to record a pod and I'm
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  Speaker 1: super excited that we were able to connect while we're
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  Speaker 1: here this weekend. But you're not from Miami, You're not
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  Speaker 1: from the States. No, you're from quite far from here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from Australia, the land down under the land
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  Speaker 2: on under the land of vegemite. Oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I've actually ever had it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it depends on your taste, Bud. Some people
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  Speaker 3: really like it and other people hate it. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 3: I like it, But I'm also Celiac, so I'm not
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  Speaker 3: allowed to eat vegimitees. I have to have like the
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  Speaker 3: gluten free version, yeah, which is it's the same kind
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  Speaker 3: of taste, just a little bit different, but with avocado
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  Speaker 3: it's bomb like.
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  Speaker 2: Bomb bomb all right.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to rewind back as we as we
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  Speaker 1: usually do here on Hurdle and kind of get into your.
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  Speaker 2: Backstory, and I wanted a little bit about how you
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  Speaker 2: grew up. So were you always super active?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, my whole family was. We just grew up
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  Speaker 3: with it in our blood. Like both of my parents
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  Speaker 3: were super active when they were younger as well. And
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  Speaker 3: then we just we didn't know any different like we did,
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  Speaker 3: like probably I didn't even know five hours of sport
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  Speaker 3: a day, different stuff like team sports as well as
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  Speaker 3: individual sports, and we just frothed it like that's just
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  Speaker 3: we We loved moving our bodies and we had so
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  Speaker 3: much energy that that was the only way that we
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  Speaker 3: could actually sleep at night.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of sports were you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Swimming, netball, gymnastic, surf, life saving aerobics. I tried tennis
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  Speaker 3: for a while, soccer for a while. Yeah, Like everything
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  Speaker 3: that you can think of want the sun pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: And if I wasn't doing one of those, I'd be
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  Speaker 3: like running around the house, like bounting a tennis ball
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  Speaker 3: on a tennis racket while seeing how many steps I.
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  Speaker 4: Could do all my left light or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Like really random stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And how many siblings do you have? Two older brothers? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the little baby. How was that it was?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's good, I'm really thankful.
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  Speaker 3: They're super protective and have been my whole life, but
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  Speaker 3: in like a fun Aussi way, So like you know
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  Speaker 3: that you're close with someone when you live in Australia
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  Speaker 3: because you can like pull fun at them. So like
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  Speaker 3: the more banter you have, the better. So my brothers
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  Speaker 3: and I would just like we would like fight, but
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  Speaker 3: in like a funny way kind of thing. And but
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  Speaker 3: they were the only ones who could do it. Like
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  Speaker 3: if anyone else was to like like shut me down,
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  Speaker 3: to like insult me, it was like no, like you
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  Speaker 3: don't say that to her.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a special thing about having a brother or too, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I have a brother and I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: was to happen to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also about to be an FBI agent, So
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  Speaker 1: I know, I don't know, like being nine, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's fine. I think I won't say I know
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  Speaker 1: not like anybody who instagram is exactly okay. So growing
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  Speaker 1: up in Australia, how was that? I mean you were
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  Speaker 1: obviously super active, but enjoyable time.
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  Speaker 2: Super active and always outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's the best thing about being from Australia is
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  Speaker 3: that it's such a beautiful place, and like we're so
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  Speaker 3: blessed to have grown up there. But it's super safe
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  Speaker 3: everywhere that you go. And yeah, like we just grew
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  Speaker 3: up with the beach.
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  Speaker 2: We grew up.
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  Speaker 3: Our house is really close to the beach as well,
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  Speaker 3: so we're really lucky that way. So that was pretty
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  Speaker 3: much our backyard. And then if we weren't like at
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  Speaker 3: the beach with our friends or something in outsurfing or
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  Speaker 3: just like exploring rock pools or whatnot, we'd be doing
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  Speaker 3: the same thing, like in trees or the bush or
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  Speaker 3: a park, or like down the park, like playing netball
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  Speaker 3: or basketball or.
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  Speaker 2: Something with our mates. Or yeah, and obviously you still
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  Speaker 2: live there now. So I feel as like we were
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  Speaker 2: talking with Christy earlier and she's like a die hard
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  Speaker 2: staying in America now going back kind of situation, like
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  Speaker 2: do you feel the same way about Australia. I do.
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  Speaker 3: In the summer, so I just love the warmth, like love.
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  Speaker 3: I hate the cold. I'm a different person when I'm cold,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I just sit the shower and like want to cry.
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe eventually I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Probably end up half the year in Hawaii, probably Kawaii
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  Speaker 3: and the other half the year in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a bad place today, three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: five days of summer all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so super active growing up. You listed a ton
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  Speaker 1: of different things that you were into. Did you play
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  Speaker 1: sports in high school or how did that work for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I kept doing sports up until I was probably sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: By their just sixteen, I'd pretty much quit everything.
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  Speaker 3: I went through bad depression at fifteen, and like on
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  Speaker 3: top of kind of growing out of everything that I
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  Speaker 3: used to do, I didn't have the motivation, the drive,
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  Speaker 3: the energy, and like you don't have much, you really
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  Speaker 3: depressed and so I kind of just dropped everything by
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  Speaker 3: that stage.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so fifteen, it really depressed.
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  Speaker 1: Was there anything going on in your personal life or
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  Speaker 1: at home that made you really get into that?
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  Speaker 3: Small things like I was getting bullied by like my
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  Speaker 3: best friends and stuff like that, But in retrospect, that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't what caused it. Like, I think that was probably
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  Speaker 3: tolerable if it was on its own, but the fact
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  Speaker 3: that I had a chemical imbalance, like an underlying cellular
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing that was going on, was the real
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  Speaker 3: cause of it. Because everything else in my life is perfect, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: best family education, living situation like always was safe, comfortable,
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  Speaker 3: was smart. I had a lot of friends, like very
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  Speaker 3: well supported, and it was just that I had everything
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  Speaker 3: that I could ever want, and I still felt like
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  Speaker 3: I had nothing to live for?
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  Speaker 2: Was what made it worse? How did you find out
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  Speaker 2: that you had a chemical imbalance?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like, I mean, obviously with something like
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  Speaker 1: seasonal depression disorder, people can peg it to something like
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  Speaker 1: even if everything's going well but you're feeling super just
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  Speaker 1: not yourself. It's like, well, it's gray and cold and
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  Speaker 1: disgusting outside, but you're living in this beautiful, beautiful place
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  Speaker 1: and you're still feeling this way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess it's kind of the same thing,
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  Speaker 3: like you can understand that nothing in your life's going
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  Speaker 3: on wrong, and so like that wasn't self diagnosed.
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  Speaker 2: It was diagnosed through doctors.
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  Speaker 3: My mom's also a psychologist, so she was well onto it,
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  Speaker 3: like even before I realized that I was depressed. So
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  Speaker 3: she picked up kind of science and symptoms here and there,
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  Speaker 3: and then she kind of made sure that I got
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  Speaker 3: the help that I needed.
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  Speaker 2: And what did that look like in your day to day?
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  Speaker 2: What did what look like like being depressed. Oh it's I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, it doesn't look different necessarily to anyone else, because
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want people to.
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  Speaker 4: Know, so I really tried to hide it.
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  Speaker 3: So to a lot of people, I guess I would
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  Speaker 3: still appear happy. But then at night, like at as
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  Speaker 3: soon as school was finished or whatever, I would just
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  Speaker 3: go home. And even at school, like I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: able to interact the same way with my friends that
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  Speaker 3: I used to because you just don't have the energy
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  Speaker 3: and you just don't care. You analyze things a lot,
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  Speaker 3: like from a like a different perspective.
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  Speaker 2: You can kind of sit back and be like why
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  Speaker 2: are you all doing that? Like what's you?
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  Speaker 3: Just kind of think, what's the point? Like you're not
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  Speaker 3: even going to be here? And how many years time?
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  Speaker 3: Like why do you even care what anyone thinks or anything?
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  Speaker 3: So right, it's a big it's a big contrast, but
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, it was subtle, So a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the people around me didn't know until I began
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  Speaker 3: shutting them out. When it got really bad, I just
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  Speaker 3: shut down completely. I wouldn't even like leave my room.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't answer the door, I wouldn't answer my phone.
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  Speaker 3: I just slept like sleeping was what I used as
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  Speaker 3: a tool for I guess avoidance.
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  Speaker 2: It was my avoidance technique, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's honestly how I got through just every day, Like
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  Speaker 3: getting out of bed was the hardest thing in the
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  Speaker 3: whole world.
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  Speaker 4: Like literally just getting out of bed to go on
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  Speaker 4: pee or to go and.
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  Speaker 3: Like brush your teeth felt impossible, Like showering was like
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  Speaker 3: that's never going to.
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  Speaker 2: Happen, right, And your mom, being a psychologist, was she
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  Speaker 2: she was obviously, I mean you were talking to her
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  Speaker 2: about this, which I think is probably something that can
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  Speaker 2: be hard, whether at your parents or a friend, to
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  Speaker 2: even open up about the fact that you're feeling this way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I didn't actually open up to her.
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  Speaker 3: She knew, and so she was actually sleeping out side
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  Speaker 3: of my bedroom every night for like four months on
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  Speaker 3: a bean bag, which I had no idea about for
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  Speaker 3: the four months up until I had a suicide attempt.
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  Speaker 3: And it was the one night that she didn't when
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  Speaker 3: she was just exhausted. She'd been doing it for months,
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  Speaker 3: and my dad was like, dude's just come to bed,
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  Speaker 3: like you need some sleep. And it was that night
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  Speaker 3: that I decided to sneak out and do something, so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well she's staying outside of your room because she
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  Speaker 1: was scared that you were going to do that. Yeah wow,
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  Speaker 1: yeah how I can't even imagine the inner dialogue that
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  Speaker 1: she had after that.
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  Speaker 2: I know she like and that's the worst part.
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  Speaker 3: Like I had no idea that she was sleeping outside
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  Speaker 3: my room, and I wish I had, because, like, my
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  Speaker 3: mum is the best mum in the whole world. She's
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  Speaker 3: so caring of all of us kids, it's ridiculous. But
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  Speaker 3: at the time, I didn't want to be careful. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't felt like I deserved it, and I just I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be left alone and I wanted people. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's why I created the distance as well between
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  Speaker 3: my friends and even my family. I pushed everyone close
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  Speaker 3: to me away because I knew that they would care
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  Speaker 3: most if I wasn't here, and so I guess I
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  Speaker 3: kind of wanted to ease their pain for them. And
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't sound rational now also anyone healthy in a
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  Speaker 3: healthy mindset, but at the time that seemed like it
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  Speaker 3: would it would make it easier for them if I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't here, for them to not be as close to.
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  Speaker 1: Me, definitely, And I mean, we won't get into that
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  Speaker 1: particulars of that night. But after that incident, like, how
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  Speaker 1: does one even move forward?
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  Speaker 2: It took a long time.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously Mum was like adamant that I was going
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  Speaker 3: to get help, and she was made sure that I
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  Speaker 3: got all the help that I needed. But that meant
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  Speaker 3: for me that I was I saw about twenty different psychologists,
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  Speaker 3: like so many different people, and trying to find someone
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  Speaker 3: who I could resonate with. But the only problem is
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  Speaker 3: with depression, you're not going to The only way that
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  Speaker 3: someone's going to be able to heal is if they
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  Speaker 3: want to help themselves, and I wasn't at the state
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  Speaker 3: where I wanted to help myself. So like everyone that
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  Speaker 3: I met, every psychologist or psychiatrist, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: they're just not right, which was just my excuse for
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to heal.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was comfortable where I was.
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  Speaker 3: It was safe, and it wasn't physically safe, but it
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  Speaker 3: was it felt like a place that I knew and
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  Speaker 3: I could hide. Yeah, which is the worst part of depression.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it becomes something familiar.
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  Speaker 2: And did you find finally someone that you felt like
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  Speaker 2: you clicked with? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: And no.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up in a long term kind of psychiatric
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  Speaker 3: ward in Sydney. So I was there for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks or a month or two, I'm not really
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  Speaker 3: too sure. It was so long ago, and I've kind
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  Speaker 3: of blocked out most of the memories, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: but I remember waking up one day and just thinking, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be like this, Like seeing all
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  Speaker 3: the people around me as well, I wasn't even like
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  Speaker 3: there was a lot of different people there for different
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  Speaker 3: reasons like bi polar, and different levels of the facility
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  Speaker 3: had different I guess impatient. So like one level was
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  Speaker 3: like eating disorders, and then like one level was mental
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  Speaker 3: health and yeah, and so I guess everyone around me
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  Speaker 3: was just it was very eye opening that it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: what I wanted to be like for the rest of
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  Speaker 3: my life. And I wanted to remember what it felt
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  Speaker 3: like to be happy and to be able to smile genuinely,
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: like I hadn't laughed in years. Yeah, and so I
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: just I wanted to be able to feel that again.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's the moment where you realize
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: like that you truly want to be better.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like you're saying that first step toward recovery. Yeah, yeah,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: hundred percent.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: And so it was an instant definitely not instant, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: it took a lot of work. But as soon as
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: I set my mind to something, I can do it.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: And I think that, like call it's true for a
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: lot of different goals. Right, It's like when I was
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: really overweight. I knew for months and months and years
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: even that I was like needed to make a change.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: But one day it finally like a switch clicked. It
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: was like literally the moment I can't live like this anymore. Yeah,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: And you just have that moment and you're like, okay,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: like it's time to change the dialogue, it's time to
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: make a change.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: And it's always the hardest things, but the most rewarding,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Like was that your hurdle?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, hurdlers know it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: If you need to listen to my hurdle again.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: You can tune into episode one.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you make this the switch? Okay, so the
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: switch flips.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: In your head and you know you want to get better,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: And so does that happen at the treatment facility or
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: do you get out or what happens here? Yeah?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I was at the treatment facility and that took it
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: took another while to get through it because the whole
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: time that I'd been in any kind of psychiatric facility,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I'd been convincing them pretty well as well, Like I'm
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: pretty a pretty convincing person that I was okay, And
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: so my mom would have to like go in and
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: talk to them, be like she's not okay, Like she
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: does this to everyone. She convinces you that she's fine,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and then she goes and like hurts herself again, like
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: it's not it's not okay.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah it was.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Once I managed to get out, Mom obviously had like
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: an eagle Eyeami, Yeah, she still does, even though I'm
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: totally fine. That's just a mother's bay. I'm her baby bird.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: And after you get all of the treatmentsillity, you go
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: back home. Yeah okay.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Once you like they say that you're healthy enough, right,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: mentally healthy enough right?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And you had left school, So what happens now, like
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: do you have any interesting going back to school or
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: what are your goals?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: At this point i'd left, I'd been away from school
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: in the impatient's stay for too long to be able
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: to finish that year of school, so I would either
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: have to repeat that year of school and they'd be
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: like the oldest one there, or I didn't really know
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: what my options were, and I wasn't in the right
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: state to be able to figure out.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: What my options were.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So thankfully that's where family and support came in and
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: they figured out that I could do and I'll try
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to entry test into university. So I ended up getting
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: accepted into our local university in Newcastle, and I went
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: there at sixteen, did a year and a half studying
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: just random subjects under a Bachelor of Arts. So like
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I studied German, I failed that hardcore.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not good at languages and like photography.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I studied Marite biology for a while and then realized
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: that I'm really bad to science. Wanted to work with
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: dolphins and yeah, and so I ended up in psychology.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Actually it was surprisingly so interesting, Like I always thought
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: that I wouldn't do that because my mum does it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: but it was like, even now, if I was to
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: ever go back to UNI, I would study sych just
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: because it's so relevant to everyone.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fascinating totally.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and then I found that I like photography,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: and then I kind of used up all the resources
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: at Newcastle University for photography, and so I decided to
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: move into state up to Queensland and go and study
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: photojournalism up at a university up there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and that's how I got into doing what
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I do now as well. So let's talk a little
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: bit about what you do now.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I travel a lot, I teach yoga, I take photos,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people assume that most of the
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: photos on my Instagram are like taking by a photographer,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: but unless they'd stayed otherwise, they're all just taken like
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: self time it on like a phone. Yeah, maybe not
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: even my dar Sola.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like we should tell the audience that you
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: have a pretty significant Instagram following. Well, I mean like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes people are like people assume that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: things on my Instagram. I'm like, yeah, I say the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: same sentence, and I have like no followers.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You, on the other hand, have quite a bit of followers.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Where are we at now? I think it's one point
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: six million.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Was there a point in your like instagram journey so
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to speak, that like it just went from like zero
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to one hundred? Did you feel I guess so back
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: when the you know, how like now we've got the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Explore page.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember when it was the popular page? Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that used to be like a game.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: So you used to be able to get like ten
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: thousand followers a day on when there was a popular page,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: because it like worked on an algorithm, like a formula thing,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: and if you knew how to work with that algorithm,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it just like it was like a game.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: That you could play. Yeah, and I loved playing it. It
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: was really fun.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's when I had a more unhealthy approach
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: to social media. Actually, but like I remember getting to
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: ten thousand and thinking that was ridiculous, Like it is ridiculous, right,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know ten thousand people like no, Like, imagine
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: having ten thousand people in your house, Like that doesn't work.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what house rely on. I have a tiny,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: little one budge of a pup like head up during it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like we need some realm.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I don't even think we could fit twenty people in
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: my my mom like shoulder to shoulder.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It's like the size of this hotel room.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and I remember my mom was up staying
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: with me in Queensland at the time, and she she
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: was saying to me, like, like having a little giggle.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: She was like, maybe one day you leaven get to
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, and I was like, don't be stupid,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: like that's just no, don't be no, that happened, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: then yeah, it just blew up. Yeah, but the number
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: thing doesn't. It's just like it literally is just a
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: number now. And I don't do it because I have
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: so many followers. I do it because one it's therapeutic,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it's cathartic and it's healing, it's expression, it's art. And
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: two it's it's like if I can help literally just
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: one other person, I would be doing it. So whether
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I have one follower, sixteen followers, or one point six million,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it regardless.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Do you talk openly often or at all about like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: your past history with mental health struggles?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeahh yeah, No, I've I've realized from experience that
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: talking about it is firstly so healing to your own soul,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: but secondly, so many people relate. It's like one in
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: four people in Australia release I'm not sure what the
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: stats are in America. Stuff are from mental health of
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: some sort, and so whether it's to you personally or
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you know someone, everyone can relate in some way, shape
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: or form.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Right, And I mean it's a public health problem here
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: for sure, and it's interesting, like I know in England
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they have government officials specifically that deal with mental health.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is just so important and I think.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: It's especially it's come to that, but it's so necessary.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I think, especially in this age of social media where
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: like more and more children these days are actually like
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: not as interested in like living the life that you
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lived when you were growing up and being.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Outside outside, getting dirty, not wearing shoes.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, because they feel like they're getting their socialization
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: behind a screen.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: And so that all the.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Mental health parents do now if their kids being noisy,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: they just put like a screen in front of them
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: and expect them to be quiet, right, right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I ad at airports and restaurants all the time. Yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: You walk into the terminal at LaGuardia and like every
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it has an iPad in front of it, and it's like, oh,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so you're not supposed to talk to anybody anymore. Y
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: You're back home and you're starting to discover that you
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: have an interest in yoga. Okay, so talk to me
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: about the beginning of your interest in yoga.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: It started from I guess my history with sport when
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I was little, so one of the sports that I
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: did was gymnastics. And then once I quit gymnastics, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: think I was probably twelve wish when I quit Jim,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I went straight to do American style cheerleading, which was
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: really new in Australia, and it was a really fun thing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It was just like a really like team social thing. Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and then I quit that when I was eighteen, when
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I moved up to Queensland to go to UNI up there,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: and then I wasn't doing anything and so I just
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: missed moving my body like I missed I don't know
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the flexibility this. I've always had a really big, like
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: soul attachment to body movement, like it's been something so
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: healing for me that I only realized how I feeling.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: It was when I wasn't doing it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So once I realized that I wanted to heal myself
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: from depression, I figured that that was probably the first step,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: like starting to have some kind of routine, especially movement.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So I'd get up every morning and I go for
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: a run.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Living close to on the beach, it was beautiful around
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: burly heads and stuff, it was just divine, So it
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: was hard. I'm not actually a morning person as in
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I love. I always get up early if I can,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't come naturally, like I have to set
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: so many alarms. Yeah, and in Queensland the sunrises really early.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: It's like an hour earlyer than everywhere else. So in
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: summer it would be bright at like four thirty am.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'd be like up and running.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But is that like if you had to offer someone
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: who also would say that they're not a morning person,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like some sort of takeaway on how to become one,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Like what would you offer them as a pet?
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: So many people ask this, Okay, if you want to
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: become a morning person, don't worry about your morning, get
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: to bed early the night before.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That's where it starts.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Like you can't expect to go to bed at midnight
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: or one am and then wake up at five, right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Like unless you're one of those crazy people.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. If you're want
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: those people, well done, you need to old star. But
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: if you can.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Function on like four hours sleep, then good for you.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Like how healthy is that? Well?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I mean everyone needs different amounts of sleep, so for
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: some people, it's fine.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: For me, it's definitely not like I need like eight minimum,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: probably like nine hours. Yeah, every night.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So I get to bed really early, Like I me
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: in bed most nights by eight, nine o'clock latest, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: then asleep by like ninth and ten o'clock in the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: absolute latest.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Like if I'm awake at ten, I'm like, whoa big night,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Like I'm going to need to get to bed at
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: six tomorrow. No, totally, no, I can totally relate.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the only way that you can get
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: up early.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So you're getting up early, you're moving your body.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And then I will That's when social media kind of started.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: So I had a personal Instagram that wasn't anything at
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the time, and I would find photos of yoga posas,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and because of my history with gymnastics, I was like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I wonder whether I can do that, So I would
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: try it, and then because I was studying photojournalism, I'd
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: get up even earlier and go to a private beach
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and take photos of the said pose in sunrise at
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the beach, and then those just kind of took off.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of where social media started as well.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I just.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Kind of became known as the girl who was doing handstands,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: so yoga at the beach really early at sunrise, like
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: beautiful places, and then on like cliff edges and stuff,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: not like crazy cliff edges, like I'm still safe.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I definitely don't suggest that anyone does that. That's how
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: social media, I supposed started. And then I got offered
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to go and take photos for like a fitness retreating bali.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And then once people saw me on that, they were like, hey,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: come to Perth and do one with us since I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: went to Perth and took photos for.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: This other event.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, just like resorts, airlines, travel tourism boards anywhere,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: like people would just brands of contact. You would say, hey,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: do you want to come here? And of course I
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: was young and I was like, yes.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I would love to.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: So they don't often pay, but a lot of the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: time they're paid for right, And so being young, I'm like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: of course I'm going to take that opportunity to travel, right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And so a few follow up questions, was there anyone
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: specific that you were following that you were like, wow,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Be just like them.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: No, And it was the explore page. Yeah, I've never
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: looked at anyone in particular, I don't think and wanted
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: to be them, mainly because we had a really good
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: upbringing in the way that I know that our individuality
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: is to be embraced. So I've never thought of it
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: as a realistic thing to try to be like anyone else,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Like right, just be you and be the best version
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of yourself.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's what Mum always instilled in us. And so, yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: so you just wanted to be you were creating your
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: own method.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: To the madness exactly exactly, And I mean, I guess
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the second follow up question to that is at the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: time when you're you know, accepting all these opportunities to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: kind of travel the world, like, did you have any
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: insight into what was becoming I guess like the business
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of Instagram because you said you were taking this like
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: these just these free trips.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, no idea.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone back then knew like the og
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Instagram influencers, like we didn't know that it could be
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: a career. I remember, like I had the most supportive
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: family ever, Like I was really close with my brother
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: as well and my mum, and they both said to me.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: They were like, you can't do this as a job,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: like it doesn't pay, like stop putting some I was
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: getting really stressed because I was working like forty to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: sixty hours a week at a restaurant job as well
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: as doing full time UNI, and then I was trying
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to get all these photos all the time, and my like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I was really like stressed, calling home to mom being
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: like I can't do it and I'm so overwhelmed. And
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: she was like, just take a step back, like you
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: don't need to take these photos, like it's not your job,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: you're not getting paid to do it, like, don't worry
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: about it. And I was like yeah, but like I
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: don't know, I really loved it, and I had this
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: intuition kind of feeling that was like no, like I
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: should do this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I need to do this. Whether it was just an
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: artistic thing or whether I was just stubborn, I don't know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm very stubborn.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a brand I actually got contacted by an agent,
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  Speaker 3: a modeling agency in Brisbane, which is near the Gold
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• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Know that you can be getting paid for these posts
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: and I was like what.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, how much are you going to pay me?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: They're like, well, we don't pay you, like we would
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: actually get a commission and then like brands would pay
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: us and then we'd pay you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like that sounds kind of cool.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And that was kind of how I realized that it
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: was lucrative and it did have potential. And then yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I guess that was also back in the day when
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: everyone was like Instagram's temporary, do you know what I mean?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Everyone thought it was just going to be like the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: next MySpace and then I kind of disintegrate.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, my stairs. Yeah yeah, but how day
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: throw back?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you start understanding that there's money in this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: at the same time doing all of these yoga pit poses,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: are you teaching classes? Like how is this going down
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: or is it just really for the moment at the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: time just for the ground.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I had no idea what yoga was.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I thought I did because I could do a couple
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of the poses, and then it kind of got out
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: of control where I had I almost had imposter syndrome.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I think that's an actual term, like a psychoagical term,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: where you feel like someone's going to pull you up
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and be like you don't actually know this, Like who
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: were you to tell other people what to do?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't that I was telling other people what
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: It was just that there was such an assumption around
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the fact that I knew yoga and that I was
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I think I'm maybe the second followed yogi on Instagram.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It was the first.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's yoga girl, and yeah, and I I
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: had no idea what actual yoga was. I could do
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: an individual pose, not even many of them, just a
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: couple of them and handstands, and so people just assreamed
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I knew what I was doing. I was like, Okay,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go learn something, so I want to
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: did my teacher training for yoga. I did a two
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: hundred hour teacher training in Byron Bay. Beautiful place to
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: do it. It's I love Australia. I'm especially Byron and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: so I was there for three weeks I think it was,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: and got two hundred hours certified and then began teaching
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: classes just at my local yoga left which has now.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Become like my second home.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Like it's such a family there, it's so community based,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: it's beautiful. And then over the last year and a
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: half two years, teaching retreats as well. Yeah, I only
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: taught like one and then I had like a year
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: of gap and I loved it. I just didn't. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: wasn't as motivated back then. And then I think the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: business side of stuff is starting to creep up on
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: me now where I'm like, I actually want to do that,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Like I want a business baby, right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And did you when you taught your first retreat, was
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that in collaboration with anyone specific or were you kind
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: of the one that was called diivating the entire experience?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: No, it was I get contacted by a lot of
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: hotels and resorts to do yoga retreats. And it is
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: a beautiful resort in Somba. It's called Nihiwatu.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Where is that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's in Indonesia, so it's close to Bali, but it's
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: on its own island, and it's just like Untouched. It's
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: got its own surf break. It's the number one hotel
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: in a row too, is.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: In a row.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Like when I did the retreat, so I was like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: how can I not? Yes, I went and did that.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: It was it's a very expensive place obviously, like the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: number one resort. So it was a really intimate kind
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: of retreat. But I got a taste for it and
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I really liked it. And so now I think I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: want to do at least like a couple maybe three
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: or four retreats every year from now on.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, And I'm doing one in September.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I think it is in Greece. And like that booked
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: out so quick it wasn't funny.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's awesome. I mean it means that there's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a thirst for what you're putting down.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Also, I mean a lot of people ask all the time,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: like you've seen these people doing these crazy yoga posas
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on Instagram or IRL. And the thing about it is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that when you start doing handstands and stuff like, it
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: takes a lot of crazy strength to be able to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: do that. So is this just like legacy strength that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you had as an athlete handstands.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't remember this, but Mum said that
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: as a kid, I would just like walk around the
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: grocery center on like on my hands and she would
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: just be like, can you just walk in your feet
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: like a normal person please?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Like are all these other kids in the hands?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: No?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well they will be if they
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: see me doing it. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And then the flexibility stuff definitely not like that's I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: could do the splits on one leg on a good
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: day maybe, but a lot of flexibility has been learned
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: over the past couple of years.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: When you work with new students when you practice, do
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you find that they're kind of asking you the same
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: questions over and over?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Like from a beginner point of view, a lot of.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: People say that the first thing that you get is
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: like the first comment that you hear is often the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: most tipe common as well, it's I'm not flexible, therefore
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I can't do yoga.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: And that's so it's so counter like intuitive.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, if you can't, if you think that
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: you're not flexible to do your you have to do
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: yoga to get flexible, right, And that's not the point
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: of yogur at all, And that's what I'll tell them.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: It's it's not about how far down you can reach
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: to the ground. It's not how deep you can go
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: into a stretch. It's what you feel and what you
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: learn along the way. And it's literally just about connecting
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: to your breath, to your body and then surrendering to something.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Bigger than yourself. And it's so humbling and grounding.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I know when I was teaching spen thinking about things
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that you're telling your students, I had like a set
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of like five to ten inspirational mantras or like maybe
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a story or something that I would like return back
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to time and time again. Do you have like those
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: set of things that like you kind of come back
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to or is it always just like new stuff all
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I think you'd have to be regular in one of
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: my classes to tell me. I think I keep it
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: very lighthearted, like I want my classes to be fun
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: and interactive, and I want no one.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: To take it so seriously.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the time yoga, especially everyone
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: kind of rocks up with a game face on their
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: like in their eye mind they're.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: On their mat and then they kind of.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: There's almost like an ego attachment to westernize yoga, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I want it to be light.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Harded and fun.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I want people to be able to laugh at themselves
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and have a little giggle and connect with other people
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: around them. So a lot of time when they get
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: on the mat, I'll be like, turn to your neighbors,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: say hi, telling your favorite color, give them a hug,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: give me squeeze. Like even after class when everyone's sweating,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, there's any one way to make friends, guys,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: hug your sweaty neighbor.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Just get it done. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I do love what you said yesterday, asking us in class,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you said, is your mindful?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Are you being mindful? Yeah?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the time I personally definitely
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: head to my yoga mat because my mind is full
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and it's hard to flip that switch. And I don't
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: necessarily always think there's like a time where you consciously
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: are like all right, I'm ready to be mindful. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: think it's just the act of it that kind of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: makes you able to let go.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's about training your mind too. So now
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: every time I head to my mat, like you get
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: into a different state of mind. Like I get onto
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: my matt and I breathe, and I'm like, like, that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: what it means to take a breath. That's what it
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: feels like this whole morning, I've just been chest breathing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And then I get into my mat and I breathe
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: from my belly and throughout my whole limbs and body.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And that's that's the beautiful part. I think, how do
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you unwind? Is it always through yoga? Definitely yoga, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: other ways too. I mean, like, my partner is really
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: good American. Every time I.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Say partner, it must be austrailing thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Every time I say partner, I mean boyfriend, but like
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know why, Like to us, that's normal.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And then someone the other day was like, oh, I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: thought that meant.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: That you might have been like bye, or a lesbian,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: or like maybe you're talking about a business partner.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: So I apologize. I mean a boyfriend. I think I
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of different interpretations to that. Yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I recognize it. There's nothing wrong with any of them. Yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean my boyfriend. Okay, so your boyfriend, Yeah, he's.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Very good at reading mine the g and he knows
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: when I need to wind down a little bit, so
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: he'll come and give me a foot.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Rob or a massage or something like that, and that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: always really nice.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Or he'll read your book and or we listen to
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: podcasts a lot, audiobooks, go for walks in nature. That's
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: probably the biggest grounder, like maybe even more so than
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: yoga actually, because if I can do yoga in nature,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: that's even better, Like just not even having a mat,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: like just going to the beach or even a strong
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: grass and just taking issues off earthing, which means literally
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: connecting your energy your feet with the earth and allowing
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: your energy to transfer with with muma Earth's.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: People think that because I do yoga and I'm I'm
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a yoga instructor, that I must be super ZM. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hell no, Like I do yoga because without
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: it I am crazy. I feel about running like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: but I mean that's I do running as well. My
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: runs are more so walks and then I run down
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the hills because it makes me feel really fast.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: That's fine your practice, but just yeah, every morning, getting
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: out getting some sunshine or something like that.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you feel We were talking about this yesterday
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit about this idea of mindfulness, that when
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you became a certified yoga teacher, did you feel that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: suddenly you were more open to being mindful because you
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: had a better understanding of what that really meant. Because
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I think and hand in hand with mindfulness is meditation,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people have a hard time getting
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: into meditation.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm just.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Wondering for you, with your journey with being mindful, maybe
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: integrating more meditation in girregular practice, was there a time
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that it kind of felt more natural to you than others?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Meditation is it's a process. There's like eight limbs of yoga.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Meditation is one of them. The assign of the physical
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: practice is another one of them. And that's another misconception.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: People think that yoga is just what you do on
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: your mat but it's actually it's not like it's so much.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's a whole lifestyle. Meditation is included in that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And for a while I was, even once I learned
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: more about yoga, I was just more heavy on the
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: physical practice. And that's to me, was a meditation. It
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: was something that I could get my mind out of
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: my own mind.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: If that makes any sense.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: And I yeah, like it was very centering as well,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: but meditation has recently become something that I've grown to
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: love more and more and again, like there's no right
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: or wrong with it, Like that's what every meditation practitioner says,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: like is there's no don't complain about not being able
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: to do it. Just close your eyes, breathe, and no
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: matter what comes up, that's not wrong. Like you did it,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that was completely successful. It's one hundred percent exactly what
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: you were supposed to do and feel. And then the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: more you do it, the more that you'll grow and
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: learn from yourself. So I guess, don't give yourself expectations
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: about what it should look like. It doesn't need to
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: be sitting cross legged on the ground in like lows position,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: hands on the knees making a woodra eyes closed, hands
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: at her hands, by you had like headlong in the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: wind on the like in the breeze.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: On the sand and the beach.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: It can, it honestly can be whatever it means for you,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and for a lot of people, I think the misconception
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and is believing that it needs to look like that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Whereas the easiest way to kind of ease into meditation
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: is to do your version of meditation. So the things
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: that you can leave your body in your mind for
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: a little while. So for a lot of people that's
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: creativity or art. For other people it's sport and exercise, going.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: For a run or a walk.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it is just laying down for ten minutes before
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: better and just not using your phone.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean, Like just laying there
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and just listening to your breath right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, I guess just enjoy it and trust
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: the process.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that piece of advice.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I was thinking as you were talking about like how
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: it could feel or how it should look. Do you
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: feel as though, because you are open to such a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: wide audience that you have like a certain amount of
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: pressure to be or do or whatever a certain way.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Not at all. Yeah, I think maybe like years ago
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: when I had a more unhealthy approach to social media, maybe,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: but now I'm like, I'm I feel like anyway, I'm
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: just who I am, Like I don't.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Care what people think of me.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: It sounds cliche or cheesy or whatever, but like to
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: y boo, and that's what I do.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how did you shift that dialog because I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: sure no matter if you have like ten followers or
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: if you have millions of followers, I think that in
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: this age of social media and constant feedback and pressure,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that it's it's hard to change that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: You're never going to be able to please everyone, like
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: never ever, And so I think the most important it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: not even about pleasing yourself.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: It's literally just about.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Knowing your values, understanding who you are, and then just
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: living by that. And then if you do that, you
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: won't have any guilt, shame, embarrassment, regret. You'll be a
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: completely open book. You have nothing to hide and more
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: open to sharing with everyone else. And so I'm just
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think also your Vibertractua tribe is
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: something like it's a quote that I had ages ago,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and I guess I live by it unintentionally.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It's it's more just like I'll.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Put out the energy in the universe that I am
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: that I want to give out, and I will attract
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: other people.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: With the same frequency.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: So I don't think I've met anyone in the past,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: like since high school that I haven't gotten along with
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: or I haven't enjoyed being around them, And I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: that's just because I'm open to everything and everyone and
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not judging them for who they are or who
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: they aren't, and so I assume that they're not doing
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the same to me. And if they are, that's not
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the kind of person that I want to be around,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: and it's probably not the kind of person that I go.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: To a trap to be specific, Was there an instance
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in your life because you did reference that there was
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like a pivot point for you with social media? Was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: there a certain thing that happened that kind of made
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you shift the way that you view that platform and
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that platform, I mean Instagram.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's such in general. Yeah, I just I
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: became really addicted to it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is probably twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: couldn't even have a shower without taking my phone in
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: with me because I was obsessed with the the comments
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and creating a safe place for anyone who knows me
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: or is ever seen on Instagram.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I'm quite a slender person. I'm very skinny.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I'm very I'm also fit, Like I love my body wholeheartedly,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: and not because it's skinny, just because it's a body,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Like I have legs that allow me to move.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I have arms that allowed me to hug.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I have a big ass heart and not a big ass,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: but I love that. But my body just allows me
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: to live and to love other people. And that's what
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I love about my body, and that's what I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: everyone should should read their body as it's just a
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: vessel that allows them to be to exist. So even
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: though I am much like very slim, I used to
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: get all sorry because I'm very slim. I used to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: get a lot of negativity from keyboard bowers on the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: fact that I'm skinny, and so people would say, like
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: too skinny, like you look at a rac sic like
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: just a bunch of bones, Like it's disgusting, Which it
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: sucks that people feel like they have the right to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: tell you that your body is.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Right or wrong regardless of what your size is.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: So like if you were bigger, you would obviously get
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: hate as well, which like the fact that that's obvious sucks.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Doesn't like no one's safe. But I would be preaching
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: messages of self love and like loving your body and
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: who you are and accepting yourself for whatever that looks
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: like and whatever you look like, and people would say, like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: you're only saying that because you're skinny, and it's not
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: because I'm skinny, It's because I've literally just learned to
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: accept that this is who I am, and I know
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that I'm doing the best thing for my body and
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: that I'm healthy, I'm living in a way that is
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: right for me, and so it didn't really matter what
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: anyone else did and or said or thought. And so
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I think I just I think that mentality, like the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: realization of that, I then kind of just shifted my mindset.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: And then I don't know whether it was energetically. I
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: know that for some people that's so hippy dippy, but
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I think I literally just kind of shifted my followers
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: as well as in I don't get much negativity anymore,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: if any and if I do, it definitely doesn't bother
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: me because I know that I'm living my truth and
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I'm healthy in myself. And if I do get negativity,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: whether it's aimed at me or anyone else, I'll just
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: instantly block the person delete the comment.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: But it never really happens. Now, how do you even
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: monitor that many people following you? Well, you don't like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you don't get thousands and thousands and thousands.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Of comments on every photo, right right, Yeah, so's it's
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: pretty doable.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I actually read all my comments.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: So if you ever follow me and you leave me
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: a comment, I'll read it and I'll probably.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Give you a little lot of heart, a lotle heart.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, So shift the dialogue better interaction with social media.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: You are traveling the world, you're doing yoguru cheets.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: What else does life look like for you right now?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: It's I guess I'm in a transitional phase where I
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: am realizing that I do you need to I want
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: to invest more time into building a brand from a
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: creative perspective, and think I've kind of just kind of
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: dogdled along. And I've always trusted the universe almost not
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: too much, but like definitely a lot. So like my
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: mum would always be like, well, what are you going
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to do, like like you've just quit your job at
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: the restaurant, Like what are you going to do? And
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it'll be fine, like I trust
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: the universe or whatever, and she was like, that's not
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: how it works, like but it does. Like I'm fine
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: and I know that I'll be fine. I've always just
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: had this deep intuition, intuitive feeling that it'll be Okay.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Mama's got it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, like most people, that sounds really
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: like hippie, but to me it just kind of it
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: feels right.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so yeah, now I'm at the point where
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I still trust her, but I want to
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I want to put more energy into actually making and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: manifesting things. So yeah, I've got a bunch of different
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: things over the next couple of years that I want.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: To work on. And now you work with like a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: management company.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've worked with managers for years.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, since like that's fourteen.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Probably What was that like at first, like even onboarding
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that kind of experience, Like, was it surreal to be like, Wow,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I'm at the place where I think that I need
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to work with someone to help me manage all of this.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: No, because I didn't think I was at that place.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: It was more just like they offered and I was like, okay, yeah, sure,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: why not, Like, oh, I'm down for it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I just kind of go with the breeze a lot
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: of the time. Yeah, I'm a really fine balance between
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: go with the flow and loving structure, Like it doesn't
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: make any sense to me when I'm home. I love
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: my structure, and then when I'm on holidays or trips,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, well I'll just do.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Whatever what I'm meant to do.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: And you said that retreats are on your radar, So
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I mean aside from retreats, like if you had to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: think of like your wish list for the next five years,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: is there anything else like exciting and fun that you
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: kind of want to implement?
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I don't know how many of
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: these things I should tell.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: You, but give me one spoiler alerte books good.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, if I tell you how soon they're coming or whatever,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: that I'll spoil it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Then I won't be got to make my expectation.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, but that don't you think sometimes that
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that's also the beauty of something like social media is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: like when you put something out into the universe and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: then you have one million people that are following you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Fun fact?
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: You want?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: No fun fact? I would love a fun fact.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Apparently a thirteen three point three percent more likely to
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: stick to something if you tell people about it, love it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: So you guys are now holding me. I'm ready holding
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: me to this. I will personally hold your account. You
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: will be shooting you about it in like two years.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Are you doing it?
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: You up?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Are you doing what you wanted to do?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I interviewed someone once who told me that he has
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a phone call with his mentor every Wednesday at seven am,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and he only he must call him at seven am.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: If he calls it seven oh one, the mentor doesn't answer. Oh,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: we talk about accountability, right, brutal. I'm going to be
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that person, Briya.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: But I like it. We'll talk about the terms on
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that later.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: But you're a little bit more friendly, like you would
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: still handsome, you'd be like, girl, I'm knocking, I'm not wait,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: well you a minute ago.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I know I was on the.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Toilet, Okay, so wait, tell me what the tell me
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm keeping you accountable?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: On books, I'm going to publish a couple of books,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: awesome one. I think the first one is probably going
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: to be a relatable self help book. I think that's
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: that's always what I've wanted to channel my history and
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: my story into.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Now that I've realized it, it can be so helpful
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: for other people.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I can help as
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: many people as possible, And I think a book is
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: a good way to do that. I also enjoy writing,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: so maybe a book of pros and like poems that
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I write a couple of other books, but I'm not.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Going to tell you what those are. Just and yoga mats.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping to do that soon.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Definitely retreats, and then I think eventually I want to
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: do retreat have a retreat space, probably in Kawaii, where I.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Can raise my family.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have dogs, We're gonna have a perpaculture farm.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: We live sustainably off the land, like waste free. And yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: we do like yoga retreats to be a space that
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: we can just come. People can connect and share and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: grow together, which I think is really cool.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a pretty cool.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Is there anything specific that you kind of lean into
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: in terms of service that you want to provide people
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that are coming to you from that angle from this
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: like I'm struggling situation, because I think that it can
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: be a little overwhelming if you're someone that's super empathetic
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and you want to help everyone, and it feels so
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: great when you can help, but it's hard when so
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: many people are looking to you for guidance. So are
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: there any themes or things that you kind of resonate
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: on with the people that reach out to you.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I think the first thing to recognize or understand is
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: that's it's I'm happy and more than welcome and open
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: to guiding them, but I know that it's not my
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: responsibility to change them. That's everyone's personal journey and that's
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: your biggest lesson. Like, that's a blessing and it's an
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: honor to be able to learn that for yourself. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: so like I know that most people probably wouldn't expect
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: me to be able to provide that for them. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: moll just want to serve as a hug I guess,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: like a physical embodiment of a hug or sunshine. Like
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I want to inspire and warm and be there like
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: an older sister, like a big sister. That's just just
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: their open arms whenever you need it, and happy to listen,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: happy to offer support and guidance where I can. But
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: in saying that, I know that I'm not a professional
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: of any sort. So if anyone does need professional support, like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I'm also open to helping them find that person or
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: help them to seek the help that they do need.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And certainly, I mean I can totally relate with that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I think as someone who lost a lot of wheat,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I have people that reach out to me looking for
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: tricks to nutritional advice, and I can give you some
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: of the tips and the tricks that I use to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: lose wheat. But at the end of the day, like
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not a certified nutritionist, I'm not a registered dietitian.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: So everyone's body is different and everybody is different. So
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I can be there for you in the capacity that
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's see for me to be there
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: But I have certainly referred people that have reached out
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: to me. You should.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, that's a scary kind of issue with
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: social media, like having a lot of followers or something.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: People assume that you're a reliant source.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Of facts and information, and the only fact that we
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: know is what's true to us.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: So true. Okay.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: So we're winding down here, and the way that we
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: do that here on hurdle is I want to ask you,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: if you had the opportunity to offer yourself maybe back
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: when you're between the ages of sixteen and eighteen, you're
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: going through that really tough time, one piece of advice
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: during your hurdle moment, what would you say to yourself today?
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: I think it wouldn't be necessarily words.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I think it would be more just offering myself a hug,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Like it would just be like, I'm here, You're fine,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You're going to be fine.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I got your girl.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just letting her slash me. Know that, buck, I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: in the worst. And I didn't have to be the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: fact that I was doing it to myself. What the
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: life that you have is the life that you can
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: create for yourself, and I was just creating.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: The wrong things. Yeah, awesome, I'm so happy we got
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to do this. So my thanks, I know so good.
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  Speaker 3: At Ciana Elise on Instagram. It's so hard to spell, though,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm really.
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  Speaker 2: Spelling for me. S J A N A E L
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  Speaker 2: I S beautiful release. There you go? Anything else? Anywhere else?
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  Speaker 2: I should look for you.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a website www dot dot com dot a you.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, well I'm Australian fancy on YouTube as well,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: and yeah, see you there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also hoping to start a podcast soon, so.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: You'll have to have that's the other thing. You'll have
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: to hold me to that one. Oh goodness, and then
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  Speaker 2: you'll have to come on my partty. This is the bit.
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  Speaker 2: Did you just say party? Yeah, my putty? Oh my god,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: what a way to end amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abadi. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you
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  Speaker 1: guys next time.