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UK Column News Podcast 23rd October 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twenty third of October twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm Mike Robinson joining me today. We've got Vanessa Billy
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Speaker 1: from Damascus. We've got Charles Mallett and as you could hear,
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Speaker 1: I've called the same Lurgie that Brian has had over
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Speaker 1: the last week or two. So anyway, we shall get
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Speaker 1: started straight away with the British German Defense pac. This
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Speaker 1: is the latest in a number of defense pacts and
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Speaker 1: as Charles will be talking about in a minute, long
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Speaker 1: range weapons being part and part of this, part and
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Speaker 1: parcel of this. They are describing this as a landmark
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Speaker 1: defense agreement, new long range strike weapons being part of it.
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Speaker 1: John Healey and Boris Pistorius signing this today may have
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Speaker 1: already been signed, I'm not certain, but they're saying that
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Speaker 1: this is working jordanly to rapidly develop a new system
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Speaker 1: that can fer even further and more precise in it's
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Speaker 1: targeting than any current system. They're going to, however, boost
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Speaker 1: the British defense industry with four hundred jobs, so that's exciting.
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Speaker 1: New cooperation to strengthen the Eastern Front. They call it
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Speaker 1: the Eastern frank Flank, but let's face it, that's what
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Speaker 1: it is. Eastern Front. Land Industrial Corporation, so cooperational boxer
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Speaker 1: armed vehicles and kickstarting collaboration on land based drones protecting
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Speaker 1: critical underwater infrastructure that one had been stitches because of course,
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Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, the only people that have
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Speaker 1: been damaging underwater infrastructure is allegedly the British and the
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Speaker 1: Americans with Nordstream Tube. But anyway, they are going to
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Speaker 1: place German aircraft in Scotland. This is P eight aircraft.
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Speaker 1: They're going to period periodically operate out of lass A Mouth,
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Speaker 1: so we're going to be occupied by the Germans. That's good,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. New drones working towards drones that could operate
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Speaker 1: alongside our fighter jets, exploration and development of new maritime
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Speaker 1: uncrude air systems capabilities. And the next one is new
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Speaker 1: support for Ukraine because of course it needs more, and
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Speaker 1: that includes new joint work to enable German seeking helicopters
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Speaker 1: to be armed with modern missile systems, as well as
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Speaker 1: work on capability coalitions whatever that means. And finally, joint
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Speaker 1: work with partners to integrate air defense systems. Now, I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to remind everybody what the situation is with
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Speaker 1: respect to the sort of bilateral agreements of the moment,
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Speaker 1: particularly with France and Germany. So with France we have
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Speaker 1: the twenty ten Lancaster House Treaty and the twenty eighteen
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Speaker 1: Sandhurst Treaties. We had the Joint Vision Statement between Britain
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Speaker 1: and Germany and twenty eighteen and now this latest one
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Speaker 1: which they're describing as the Trinity House Agreement, and of
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Speaker 1: course between France and Germany we have the all encompassing
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Action Treaty. So this is all about defense
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Speaker 1: union and merging defense capabilities in Europe between European countries.
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Speaker 1: Because of course Needle is well perhaps if Trump becomes
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Speaker 1: president going to become less important as far as Europe concerned.
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Speaker 1: As a concern is it re oients towards China and
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Speaker 1: the Europeans having to pick up some of the load
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Speaker 1: on that. So more and more of these types of
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Speaker 1: agreements being put in place. This is just the latest one.
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Speaker 1: But Charles, if I could welcome you to the program,
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Speaker 1: you have more on this.
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Mike and Esa good afternoon all. Yes, indeed,
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Speaker 3: now there's plenty going on to work sort of alongside
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Speaker 3: what Mike's been discussing, specifically the specter of the threat,
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Speaker 3: the air threat. And indeed there has been a piece
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Speaker 3: in the E News suggesting that our air defenses are
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Speaker 3: not where they should be and how is it that
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Speaker 3: they are attempting to justify this? But the article here
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Speaker 3: says that there are concerns over gaps in the protection
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Speaker 3: of British skies and they were hiding this month when
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Speaker 3: it emerged that RAF typhoons were unable to shoot down
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Speaker 3: ballistic missiles fired from Iran into Israel. Now, if you're
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Speaker 3: wondering why they'd be trying to do such a thing
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Speaker 3: in the first place, that's because, as discussed many times
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Speaker 3: before on UK Column, Operation Shader, which started in Iraq
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Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, has crept and crept, first of all
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Speaker 3: in Syria, and now of course it's been pushed into
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Speaker 3: defense of Israel, or at least augmenting Israel's inherent right
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Speaker 3: to self defense, which, of course, as Peter Ford was
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Speaker 3: reminding us on Saturday at UK Column on Location, this
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Speaker 3: is of course double speak. So in order to stop
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Speaker 3: escalation apparently, except when it's concerned with actions that Israel
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Speaker 3: may want to take. Nonetheless, we look further at the
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Speaker 3: Telegraph here also reporting in effect the same thing and
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Speaker 3: saying that typhoons are not up to defending Israel from
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Speaker 3: missile attacks. But as I said at the beginning, all
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Speaker 3: this behind the specter of a threat, which I have
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Speaker 3: to say is reminding me very much of what was
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Speaker 3: happening in September two thousand and two, and the claims
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Speaker 3: that we were in mortal peril from an attack that
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Speaker 3: could be launched by Sadamussain within forty five minutes, as
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Speaker 3: reported here by the Evening Standard and the Sun. So
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Speaker 3: we'll just look at the threat levels. Admittedly this is
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Speaker 3: written up as being the terrorism threat levels here on
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Speaker 3: the Security Services page, but of course this is part
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Speaker 3: of the Joint Task Force that devises these things, and
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Speaker 3: of course worth noting that here we are in the
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Speaker 3: middle ground with the threat level labeled as substantial, and
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Speaker 3: of course for many many years it has not dropped
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Speaker 3: below substantial. Occasionally it bounces up to severe, and if
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Speaker 3: you think about the reasons for why, it will of
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Speaker 3: course be that if the threat is reduced below substantial
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Speaker 3: and then something does happen that in effect puts egg
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Speaker 3: on the faces of the Security service.
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Speaker 4: So it is a backside covering exercise.
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Speaker 3: Now, as I say, John Healy has been out and
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Speaker 3: about doing business all over Europe, and as Mike was
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Speaker 3: just alluding to, NATO of course is a big part
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Speaker 3: of this and therefore the Eastern flank. Now, NATO is
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Speaker 3: an alliance and not a geographical area, so really shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have any reference to having a flank in the first place.
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Speaker 3: Again as discussed many times, But from this we hear
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Speaker 3: about the new Diamond initiative, which seeks to integrate NATO's
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Speaker 3: missile defences, specifically long range cutting edge missiles. But the
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Speaker 3: bit I've underlined here, of course, is that it concerns
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Speaker 3: collective air defense and offering opportunities to the UK defense industry,
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Speaker 3: as it will be they that are the winners in
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Speaker 3: future years. The Army will deploy its most advanced tanks,
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Speaker 3: the Challenger three, to NATO's eastern border. We see that
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Speaker 3: reference again, along with armored vehicles such as Boxer. Now
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Speaker 3: there are two interesting points there. First of all, all
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Speaker 3: this points to the future as opposed to a current
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Speaker 3: capability Challenger three we've reported about in the past, still
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Speaker 3: an unproven main battle tank, and indeed their reference to Boxer,
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Speaker 3: but not to Ajax. Ajax of course being the platform
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Speaker 3: the government are trying to show off at the moment,
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Speaker 3: but not to the degree of actually suggesting that it
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Speaker 3: might have a capability in this theater.
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Speaker 4: Of future operations.
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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, they go on, the Diamond led initiative will improve
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Speaker 3: NATO's integrated air and missile defense. So this is all
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Speaker 3: about putting the capabilities of all the separate nations together
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Speaker 3: and enhancing therefore in order to be able to operate
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Speaker 3: better and more jointly across Europe. And then they say
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Speaker 3: that they'll be working alongside international allies, and they name
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Speaker 3: a number of the countries, again referring to long range
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Speaker 3: missile capabilities, with the project expected to play a key
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Speaker 3: role in Europe's defense by the twenty thirty So as
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Speaker 3: I say this looking to the future as opposed to
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Speaker 3: being able to demonstrate any sort of capability now. And
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Speaker 3: the other point to draw from reference to the other
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Speaker 3: countries that are involved is a course that of the NATO,
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Speaker 3: those in the NATO Alliance, ten of them have some
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Speaker 3: form of conscription, and that's not something that gets talked
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Speaker 3: about very much, but of course it has been discussed
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Speaker 3: in the UK in an oblique sense, so I think
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Speaker 3: we need to keep watching very intently on that to
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Speaker 3: see where it goes. Now, another thing, slightly more updated
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Speaker 3: part from John Healey is a statement that he gave
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Speaker 3: on the War in Ukraine, so called the War in
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Speaker 3: Ukraine on the twenty second yesterday, and really the only
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Speaker 3: bit I want to draw out from it, especially with
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Speaker 3: the forthcoming budget in mind, and Rachel Reeves stating that
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Speaker 3: she needs to find forty pounds. We see heally here
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Speaker 3: referring to new money. He says this is new money,
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Speaker 3: by which he means it's being drawn from thin air,
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Speaker 3: new money which will be delivered under the Extraordinary Revenue
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Speaker 3: Acceleration Loans to Ukraine. Scheme doesn't really roll off the tongue,
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Speaker 3: but it does describe what it does, I think especially well.
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Speaker 3: It certainly is extraordinary, and like all things in the
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Speaker 3: post COVID era, it concerns acceleration. It says that it's
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Speaker 3: part of the fifty billion dollar loan package from G
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Speaker 3: seven countries to support Ukraine's military budget and reconstruction needs.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I've highlighted reconstruction because this is an area
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Speaker 3: that is going to be burgeoning in the not too
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Speaker 3: distant future, and indeed is underway. And of course the
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Speaker 3: whole purpose of the exercise really is to be able
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Speaker 3: to reshape not just Ukraine but other parts of the
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Speaker 3: world based on the premise that we are effectively in
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Speaker 3: a situation of facing an existential threat from hostile actors
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Speaker 3: such as Russia. So therefore, with that in mind, Ministure
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Speaker 3: of Defence has also launched the announcement of a new
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Speaker 3: capability to be fitted to aircraft. Note the future tense,
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Speaker 3: So we've got a picture of something that looks rather
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Speaker 3: like it's come out of the nineteen sixty But nonetheless
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Speaker 3: it says that it has defeated one hundred percent of
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Speaker 3: targets in recent live fire trials, of course, not actually
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Speaker 3: against anything that's trying to shoot back. Designed to be
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Speaker 3: fitted to a range of orif aircraft. Again notes that
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Speaker 3: it has not yet been done yet. But it detects,
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Speaker 3: identifies and tracks missile launchers, and that of course involves
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Speaker 3: the defense companies or at least consortiums. Leonardo and Tales.
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Speaker 3: Leonardo involved with the dragon Fire laser, the ground mounted
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Speaker 3: or indied ship mounted laser system. And again further developments
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Speaker 3: or an announcement on the Global Combat Air Program the GCAP,
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Speaker 3: which is to be a future platform. And again this
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Speaker 3: is an arrangement between the United Kingdom, Italy and Japan,
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Speaker 3: represented by BAE Systems Leonardo as I've just mentioned, and
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Speaker 3: indeed Mitsubishi. So they're describing it as a next generation
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Speaker 3: stealth fighter aircraft and again looking ahead rather than to
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Speaker 3: the present. It's to deal with threats beyond twenty forty.
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Speaker 3: Now how they know what the threat are going to
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Speaker 3: be beyond twenty forty They do not explain, and I
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Speaker 3: would venture that they cannot explain. Nonetheless, they say it's
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Speaker 3: going to be in service by twenty thirty five, so
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Speaker 3: we will wait and see. It's due to be a
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Speaker 3: replacement for the FGR for Typhoon airframe, which is worth
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Speaker 3: noting went double over its budget, and therefore I think
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Speaker 3: it's pertinent to point out that the funding for this
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Speaker 3: remains unclear at the moment. Exactly how much resource it
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Speaker 3: will suck in is remaining to be seen. Now, what
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Speaker 3: I would suggest that you do with air defense in
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Speaker 3: mind is to go to the UK column website and
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Speaker 3: look up the interview that I did with Tim Davis
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Speaker 3: some months ago called winging It, Why is the UK
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Speaker 3: training Ukrainian pilots and his view on the Russian capability
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Speaker 3: versus ours, And of course, with Russia having the upper
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Speaker 3: hand at the moment, it seems reasonable to assume that
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Speaker 3: they will continue to develop, at least at the same
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Speaker 3: pace that we are seeing any of the things I've
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Speaker 3: just been referring to developing. So it's hard to see
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Speaker 3: as we review this is the beneficiaries as being anyone
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Speaker 3: other than the defense industry, the military industrial complex, and
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Speaker 3: of course the government who are able to assume a
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Speaker 3: great deal of control by the specter of the emergency
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Speaker 3: of war. I don't know if there's any time, Mike
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Speaker 3: for any comment on that, but there's a lot going on.
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Speaker 4: Ment.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Charles, thanks for that. We will be talking a
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Speaker 1: little bit more about Ukrainian pilots a little bit later
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Speaker 1: in the program. But Vanessa, let me welcome you to
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Speaker 1: the program, and you've got an update on what's going
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Speaker 1: on in Gaza.
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Speaker 5: Yes, increased ethnic cleansing in Gaza under the label of
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Speaker 5: the General's plan, which while Israel is denying that it's
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Speaker 5: following such a plan, it has sealed off all.
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Speaker 6: Humanitarian aid to northern Gaza.
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Speaker 5: For the last I think, almost three weeks, while of
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Speaker 5: course destroying what is left of the infrastructure, destroying the
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Speaker 5: refugee camps, the schools, sieging hospitals, and basically picking off
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Speaker 5: civilians at will, including with robot explosive devices that are
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Speaker 5: that are that are targeted just roll into neighborhoods and
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Speaker 5: are detonated. So I just wanted to show just an
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Speaker 5: excerpt of what it looks like for the people in
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Speaker 5: Jabalia who are trying to flee from one area to
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Speaker 5: the other constantly under the threat of drones. And you
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Speaker 5: will hear if the sound is up, the sound of
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Speaker 5: the drones, which I have to say, having been in Gaza,
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Speaker 5: is one.
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Speaker 6: Of the most.
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Speaker 5: Sinister sounds you can ever experience, particularly when it's twenty
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Speaker 5: four to seven for the last year.
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Speaker 6: So let's just play this video.
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Speaker 7: The heart of a month ago Smam and Hazaro here
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Speaker 7: on probably oh well, the alphabet.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, there are many more gruesome videos
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Speaker 5: that are circulating at the moment, but I think that
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Speaker 5: one captures that feeling of panic and helplessness perfectly. The
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Speaker 5: images that are also coming out very reminiscent of the
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Speaker 5: Nazis rounding up their undesirables, men being separated from women,
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Speaker 5: Reports that men are being taken away, buried, alive, executed, abuse, tortured, kidnapped, etc.
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Speaker 5: Very much what we've heard in multiple other areas. There
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Speaker 5: again is the comparison that I made. It's very difficult
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Speaker 5: to not make that comparison right now.
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Speaker 6: And what the.
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Speaker 5: Israeli forces of course are doing or are conducting, multiple
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Speaker 5: forms of execution of Palestinians, from drones, from sniping by
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Speaker 5: drone and then bombing people that came to rescue a
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Speaker 5: young kid that had been mortally wounded, people being displaced endlessly, tanks, shelling, helicopters.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's endless.
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Speaker 5: And this is twenty four to seven as people are
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Speaker 5: describing and what I wanted to do, Sorry is the
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Speaker 5: next slider right, sorry, And basically what they're doing or burning,
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Speaker 5: as I said, the schools, the shelters, the refugee centers,
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Speaker 5: the places where many hundreds of people.
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Speaker 6: Were taking shelter, and of course filming themselves and celebrating
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Speaker 6: the raising of Javalier are in particular to the ground basically,
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Speaker 6: and I just wanted to play this video.
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Speaker 5: I mean Natanier, who has made a similar statement multiple
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Speaker 5: times as I discovered, but this I think was about
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Speaker 5: eight years ago. Let's just listen to Natania, whose definition
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Speaker 5: of terrorism.
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Speaker 8: Terrorists do is target the innocent deliberately, and therefore my
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Speaker 8: definition of terrorism is the systematic and deliberate attack the murdered,
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Speaker 8: naming and menacing and innocence civilians for political goals. You
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Speaker 8: can tell a lot about terrorists when what happens when
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Speaker 8: they come to power. Those who fight for freedom and
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Speaker 8: come to power do not impose terrorism. Those who do,
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Speaker 8: who fight the terrorist techniques, end up as being masters
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Speaker 8: of terrorist states.
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Speaker 6: I don't think I really need to add any comment
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Speaker 6: to that. I think people can interpret it as they will.
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Speaker 5: So this was an article back from March in twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty four War on Gaza, while isa on Rafa is
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Speaker 5: Israeli is cementing control of northern Gaza. But I think
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Speaker 5: what's important here, and I've actually written about this myself,
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Speaker 5: is that what is being imposed upon Gaza right now
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Speaker 5: is what Ariel Sharon created as a project called the
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Speaker 5: five Fingers plan. So it's israel As in the process
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Speaker 5: of reinstating its occupation of Gaza by taking control of
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Speaker 5: the main roads, corridors and streets until it's unilateral withdrawal
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and five, Palestinians were denied access to
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Speaker 5: these areas. The idea of dividing the Gaza strip into
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Speaker 5: areas that are accessible to the Israelis and restricted to
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Speaker 5: the Palestinians dates back to the nineteen sixty.
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Speaker 6: Seven occupation in one Ario.
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Speaker 5: Sharon, the Islready Army commander of the Southern Region who
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Speaker 5: later became Prime Minister, prepared a plan to divide Gaza
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Speaker 5: and North Sinai into five settlement areas that prevent geographic
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Speaker 5: contiguity between Palestinians in the north, center and south, and
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Speaker 5: that clearly seems to be what we're heading towards in Gaza.
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Speaker 5: The systematic destruction of these five areas, the basic displacement
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Speaker 5: of people that will not be allowed to come back,
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Speaker 5: and the ethnic cleansing of others. And just to reinforce this,
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Speaker 5: very recently, there was a gathering held very close to Gaza,
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Speaker 5: and people should remember Daniella Weis, the head of one
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Speaker 5: of the settler organizations, one of the most extremists who
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Speaker 5: worked with the Ario Scharon in the seventies to steal
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Speaker 5: Palestinian land through settlement. Here she's talking again about resettling
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Speaker 5: back in Gaza.
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Speaker 6: So let's just play this.
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Speaker 9: They will not stay in Khaza.
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Speaker 7: By no means.
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Speaker 9: To convince the world. It is not only good for Israel,
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Speaker 9: it is not just for the Jews. It is for
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Speaker 9: the benefit of the world. To cling to the gold
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Speaker 9: and to put the evil away, to put an end
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Speaker 9: to Hamas, to put an end to Thisbela, to put
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Speaker 9: an end to see the Russia, as.
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Speaker 7: We say, the evil power.
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Speaker 9: I give your advice to to to the United States.
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Speaker 9: Let's not go into who will be the president. I
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Speaker 9: give here the advice to the United States, to Britain,
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Speaker 9: to friends, to the European Union, be with us. It
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Speaker 9: will be good for you. I assure you. City of Ghaza,
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Speaker 9: we will settle, settle the northern part, we will settle
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Speaker 9: gus Kative, and we will be many more new cities
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Speaker 9: and community. We will bring life to the place now.
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Speaker 6: The place that they have now reduced to hell.
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Speaker 5: I would correct that, and I would correct a number
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Speaker 5: or other of her statements, maybe we can talk about
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Speaker 5: it an extra but this was a story that also
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Speaker 5: caught my eye and that has been cited across much
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Speaker 5: of the Arabic media, as well as among the resistance
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Speaker 5: factions who have put out various statements contesting it. American
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Speaker 5: businessman proposes two hundred million mercenary plan for Gaza.
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Speaker 6: So let's have a look at what this actually means.
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Speaker 5: A Zionist American businessman, Martyrhana, who was also heavily involved
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Speaker 5: in Israel's attempts through smart power and soft power to
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Speaker 5: occupy the south of Syria, he's pitching a two hundred
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Speaker 5: million plan to deploy US mercenaries to the Gaza Strip,
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Speaker 5: according to reports from drops News, which appears to be
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Speaker 5: a huge followed hub for other journalist articles. The proposal,
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Speaker 5: which Gahana claims is under consideration by the Israeli government,
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Speaker 5: would establish gated communities controlled by private mercenaries in Gaza.
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Speaker 6: Kahana, the CEO of.
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Speaker 5: Global Delivery Company, describes his firm as the uber for
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Speaker 5: war zones. His proposal involves deploying well trained operators from
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Speaker 5: US security companies largely CIA of course, including Constellis and
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Speaker 5: I'll come back to that in a second, a successor
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Speaker 5: to the infamous Blackwater to manage these gated zones. So
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Speaker 5: constellis if you remember Mike James Lemezuo who created the
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Speaker 5: White Helmets, the operation that was working alongside al Qaeda
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Speaker 5: in Syria. He worked for Olive Group that then got
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Speaker 5: merged with Constellus. And so basically what is suggesting it
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Speaker 5: includes biometric screenings for Palestinians in these gated communities, with
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Speaker 5: humanitarian aid distribution contingent on passing these tests. He envisions
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Speaker 5: a future where the private security forces would maintain order
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Speaker 5: while allowing Palestinians to come and go freely under the
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Speaker 5: oversight of local leadership. So that sounds very much like
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Speaker 5: the smart cities that they're developing in the Guna Carabacy.
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Speaker 1: Yes indeed, Okay, thank you very much for that, Vanessa.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going to come back to the UK and well,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put this up from the BBC because
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Speaker 1: the bad news this morning is that Richard D. Hall
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Speaker 1: has lost his kiss on the Manchester Arena bombing. And
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Speaker 1: the reason, of course I'm putting the well, no, in fact,
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Speaker 1: you probably don't know the reason. One reason I'm putting
22:39
Speaker 1: the BBC article up on is because when Richard on
22:43
Speaker 1: his telegram channel was saying that this judgment was to
22:48
Speaker 1: be released, it was to be released at ten thirty
22:50
Speaker 1: in the morning. And well, apparently the BBC not only
22:54
Speaker 1: god the judgment, but we're able to write an entire
22:58
Speaker 1: article on it in eleven minutes because they published this
23:02
Speaker 1: at ten forty one this morning. So the question is
23:05
Speaker 1: did the BBC receive this judgment prior to it actually
23:09
Speaker 1: being released to Richard D. Hall And because he certainly
23:13
Speaker 1: didn't seem to know about it at ten thirty on
23:15
Speaker 1: the dot, or least he wasn't saying anything, So this
23:18
Speaker 1: is all very unclear. And of course the other question
23:21
Speaker 1: that still remains to be answered is where the family
23:24
Speaker 1: that brought this case got the money to bring the
23:27
Speaker 1: case and where they got the encouragement to bring the case,
23:29
Speaker 1: because it seemed to us at the time that they
23:32
Speaker 1: only brought the case after Marianna Spring and the BBC
23:36
Speaker 1: had engaged with them in order to highlight the work
23:40
Speaker 1: that Richard Hall was doing and to criticize it. So anyway,
23:44
Speaker 1: we will keep an eye on how this develops and
23:47
Speaker 1: we'll bring you more no doubt on Friday. In the meantime,
23:50
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention this situation. So this is the
23:53
Speaker 1: Internet Archive, which of course runs the way back Machine
23:57
Speaker 1: and a host of other archive material from the Internet.
24:02
Speaker 1: Way back Machine a fantastic resource for anybody that's doing
24:06
Speaker 1: research because we can get to see what web pages
24:09
Speaker 1: look like at various points in the past. But this
24:14
Speaker 1: organization has been under significant cyber attack for the last
24:17
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, So beginning on the ninth of October,
24:21
Speaker 1: they were confirming that they were experiencing denial of service,
24:25
Speaker 1: distributed denial of service attacks, site defacement, and also a
24:30
Speaker 1: data breach. And this was apparently being organized by an
24:33
Speaker 1: activist group or what's being described as an activist group
24:36
Speaker 1: here sn Black Meta, and they seem to have claimed responsibility.
24:42
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's the IRA or something claiming responsibility
24:46
Speaker 1: for stuff that way. But anyway, it's been reported that
24:49
Speaker 1: thirty one million user accounts have been released by this hack.
24:54
Speaker 1: They all appeared in a single file which was dated
24:57
Speaker 1: the twentieth of September twenty twenty four, and inside that
25:01
Speaker 1: file were users' email addresses and also encrypted passwords. On
25:07
Speaker 1: the fifteenth of twenty twenty four, the website, or at
25:10
Speaker 1: least up until the fifteenth, the website was mostly offline,
25:13
Speaker 1: but after that they started bringing back on in a
25:15
Speaker 1: read only format, and then yesterday it was back down
25:19
Speaker 1: again because apparently they've been experiencing more attacks. So they
25:25
Speaker 1: say that they're continuing to work hard to bring this
25:28
Speaker 1: fully back online. But I just wonder who is actually
25:31
Speaker 1: behind this, because of course the way back machine inconvenient
25:35
Speaker 1: in many ways for the authorities as people do the
25:39
Speaker 1: kinds of research in order to hold these people do accounts.
25:42
Speaker 1: So we will watch with interest how this develops. But
25:45
Speaker 1: I wonder whether this is really a activist group or
25:48
Speaker 1: whether this is state sponsored by Western States. And then finally,
25:53
Speaker 1: I want to mention something that we launched at the
25:57
Speaker 1: event on Saturday with respect to the online see the act,
26:00
Speaker 1: and I've got a short piece of video here. If
26:03
Speaker 1: I can remember where that is, I will bring up. Yes,
26:07
Speaker 1: here we go, So if we watch this video, we'll
26:10
Speaker 1: discuss this briefly afterwards. But we've had a minor success.
26:15
Speaker 1: Many of you, if not all of you, may be
26:17
Speaker 1: aware of this, but this idea of news publisher and
26:21
Speaker 1: journalistic content we've discovered applies to us because US and
26:28
Speaker 1: some other independent news publishers, because they have scoped the
26:32
Speaker 1: idea of news publisher, what a recognized news publisher is.
26:36
Speaker 1: It's actually not that hard to do.
26:38
Speaker 10: So what you see introduced in Online Safety Act are
26:42
Speaker 10: two specific provisions, or actually three. You've got Section seventeen,
26:47
Speaker 10: which is the duty to protect journalistic content, and you've
26:50
Speaker 10: got section nineteen, which is the duty to protect democratic content.
26:54
Speaker 10: I may be switching them up, but just like Mike said,
26:58
Speaker 10: they have to apply evenly. Now as everyone knows here
27:03
Speaker 10: they're not applying it evenly at all. But this is
27:06
Speaker 10: now UK statute, this is now the law within England
27:11
Speaker 10: and Wales that they have to provide this, So suddenly
27:14
Speaker 10: it's a bit of a double edged sword. Within there,
27:16
Speaker 10: there is also section eighteen, which is the concept of
27:19
Speaker 10: a recognized news publisher, and the idea of becoming a
27:23
Speaker 10: recognized news publisher is basically when you become that, when
27:26
Speaker 10: you become this elite class that they set up, you're
27:30
Speaker 10: protected from most of their censorship.
27:33
Speaker 1: A small victory that we have from YouTube at the
27:35
Speaker 1: moment gives us an expectation the challenging this can work.
27:45
Speaker 1: The worst organization for censorship is TikTok by far right,
27:51
Speaker 1: so YouTube as as it is TikTok, can they many
27:54
Speaker 1: tektok channels have we had shut DOWNE? So we've lost
27:57
Speaker 1: kind of how many TikTok channels we had shut DOWNE.
28:00
Speaker 1: So this isn't just about challenging YouTube. It is about
28:03
Speaker 1: challenging every platform. And so what we want to say
28:06
Speaker 1: tonight is that we want to invite every independent news
28:11
Speaker 1: organization in this country, big or small, so long as
28:14
Speaker 1: they're independent and not these corporate model, you know, horrible
28:20
Speaker 1: things to contact us and get involved with an effort
28:25
Speaker 1: to challenge these platforms using the Online Safety Act as
28:30
Speaker 1: a basis for the challenge. This might result in us
28:34
Speaker 1: attempting some kind of legal procedure because ultimately it may
28:38
Speaker 1: have to be challenged in court, but we think probably
28:42
Speaker 1: it's going to be much better to have a group
28:44
Speaker 1: of us working together on this challenge to see whether
28:48
Speaker 1: we can get the platforms to move without needing to
28:51
Speaker 1: take it that next step.
28:52
Speaker 10: And we really do need everyone to come on board.
28:55
Speaker 10: So if you have journalists who you follow aside from
28:58
Speaker 10: UK column, aside from me, who are out there doing
29:02
Speaker 10: journalism that you believe needs to be unsensored. Go contact them,
29:06
Speaker 10: ask them if they know about this, ask them if
29:08
Speaker 10: they know about what we're doing, and try and get
29:10
Speaker 10: them on board with us, because the more people we
29:13
Speaker 10: have on side, the more we can achieve.
29:15
Speaker 1: You know, We've we've made this invitation. There are plenty
29:18
Speaker 1: of independent media organizations out there that I couldn't possibly
29:21
Speaker 1: agree with at any point in time. Let's just mention
29:24
Speaker 1: the Canarrea as one. But they are independent and I
29:27
Speaker 1: don't agree with them, but I don't I would work
29:30
Speaker 1: with them on this, on this project because because they
29:33
Speaker 1: are suffering the same thing that we are, they have
29:35
Speaker 1: the right to say what they say, whether I agree
29:37
Speaker 1: with it or not. And and we are all, we
29:43
Speaker 1: are all suffering from this, from this censorship regime. It's
29:46
Speaker 1: time to take the fight to the to the to
29:49
Speaker 1: them and to the front. So that's that's what we're
29:51
Speaker 1: encouraging everybody to do. Okay, So we are going to
29:56
Speaker 1: be talking about this much more at one pm tomorrow
29:59
Speaker 1: live So Charles and that was Wilsy from Resistance GB
30:03
Speaker 1: with us as well. We're going to talk about that
30:05
Speaker 1: at one pm tomorrow, So join us live for that
30:09
Speaker 1: if you possibly can. Now, let's just remind everybody that
30:13
Speaker 1: if you want to support the UK Column you can
30:15
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30:17
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30:20
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30:23
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30:27
Speaker 1: extremely helpful. But as we've just discussed, sharing material and
30:31
Speaker 1: trying to get over this censorship regime would be fantastic
30:35
Speaker 1: as well, that support is needed. Just a reminder that
30:39
Speaker 1: if you want to still watch the live stream, the
30:42
Speaker 1: recording of the live stream from the nineteenth of October,
30:45
Speaker 1: that's still possible, head over to the front page of
30:48
Speaker 1: the UK Column website and you can do that now.
30:52
Speaker 1: At the moment, the Bricks Summit has begun, so let's
30:56
Speaker 1: just bring it on screen if we can. There we go,
31:00
Speaker 1: So Brick Summit has begun, and well, what can we
31:04
Speaker 1: say Russia the BBC going nuts about it on the
31:07
Speaker 1: radio yesterday. Very upset that Putin was shaking the hands
31:11
Speaker 1: of so many world leaders yesterday because of course they're
31:14
Speaker 1: trying to BBC. In the meantime he's been trying to
31:17
Speaker 1: persuade us all that Russia is isolated completely. So anyway,
31:22
Speaker 1: that is the situation. Let's just have a look then
31:25
Speaker 1: at what Putin was saying yesterday.
31:29
Speaker 11: Very briefly, we are brought closer together by the values
31:35
Speaker 11: and worldview. It would be fair to say that breaks
31:38
Speaker 11: unite like minded countries, sovereign countries that represent different continents,
31:43
Speaker 11: models of development, religions, civilizations and cultures. All our states
31:51
Speaker 11: stand for equality, good neighborly relations, and mutual respect, for
31:59
Speaker 11: high ide deals of friendship, for the global prosperity and
32:03
Speaker 11: well being in.
32:07
Speaker 1: So that's at least what they're claiming, that it's all about.
32:11
Speaker 1: That seems to be the case. But in the meantime
32:14
Speaker 1: then we have comments from various bricks personnel sorry apologies
32:21
Speaker 1: for that, this particular comment on telegram, making the point
32:25
Speaker 1: that at basically the if we look at the US
32:31
Speaker 1: election they're saying, and not at all the results of
32:34
Speaker 1: the vote kind in the US, as the American and
32:36
Speaker 1: other global liberal media are trying with all their might
32:39
Speaker 1: to present and impose on anyone, But instead it's really
32:44
Speaker 1: all about the cooperation between the various states that are
32:49
Speaker 1: going to be the major influence of the world. And
32:51
Speaker 1: forget about the US election is the point here. And
32:54
Speaker 1: then we have put in saying, you know, we're going
32:56
Speaker 1: to move as fast as they can on the question
32:59
Speaker 1: of international financial reform, but that means proceeding incrementally, step
33:03
Speaker 1: by step. We believe any rush should be inappropriate, meaning
33:07
Speaker 1: both that there is no unanimity sorry within the bricks
33:12
Speaker 1: and so on. So basically there is dissent within bricks
33:15
Speaker 1: about exactly how quickly in what way they're going to overhead.
33:18
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, what they have done is created
33:21
Speaker 1: this bricks pay system. So this is an attempt to
33:25
Speaker 1: deal with the situation with international payments and the fact
33:29
Speaker 1: that everything is so closely tied to the dollar. And
33:32
Speaker 1: so I just want to highlight a piece of video
33:35
Speaker 1: here from Richard Werner which might give us a clue
33:39
Speaker 1: as to why they might be concerned about this and
33:42
Speaker 1: might want to set up their own payment processes.
33:46
Speaker 12: I'd like to make you aware that I wrote a
33:48
Speaker 12: new sub stack in late September twenty twenty four on
33:52
Speaker 12: the national debt explosion, and of course it's mainly about
33:56
Speaker 12: the US national debt and the implications. And I note
34:00
Speaker 12: that we had reached thirty five trillion US dollars, a
34:03
Speaker 12: new world record in world history in real terms of
34:08
Speaker 12: the size of absolute size of national debt, but also
34:11
Speaker 12: the fact that the interest payments on this debt had
34:15
Speaker 12: now become so large it's now exceeding the entire military budget,
34:21
Speaker 12: you know, the military industrial complex spending, which of course
34:25
Speaker 12: is much larger than many other countries, including Russia and
34:28
Speaker 12: China and European countries together. The US military spending is
34:34
Speaker 12: much higher, but the interest on the national debt is
34:37
Speaker 12: now higher than that. So it's quite astonishing, and it's
34:40
Speaker 12: very clear that national debt has been growing exponentially in
34:45
Speaker 12: such a you know, we're in this phase that the
34:48
Speaker 12: time period it's taken to have another trillion, and that's
34:54
Speaker 12: a big number of the trillion dollars of national debt
34:58
Speaker 12: used to be decades, but more recently has become years.
35:03
Speaker 12: And actually this year it's become months to have another
35:08
Speaker 12: one trillion in national debt. And when they wrote this
35:11
Speaker 12: in late September, it was warning, well it was thirty
35:12
Speaker 12: five trillion, but you know, if you just read this
35:15
Speaker 12: a few weeks later, it could well be thirty six trillion. Well,
35:18
Speaker 12: we're already rounded at thirty six trillion now just a
35:22
Speaker 12: few weeks later.
35:25
Speaker 1: It is quite incredible. They link to that. Full video
35:28
Speaker 1: will be in the show notes, of course, and I
35:29
Speaker 1: do recommend everybody watches that. So I can't imagine under
35:33
Speaker 1: those circumstances why bricks want to get away from the
35:36
Speaker 1: dollar system as quickly as they can a bit of
35:39
Speaker 1: sarcasm there. But in the meantime, people getting very upset,
35:44
Speaker 1: particularly in Britain, that the first meeting between she and
35:48
Speaker 1: Mody has taken place, because of course Britain in particular
35:51
Speaker 1: is very keen to see China and India split apart
35:54
Speaker 1: if they possibly can. But just and this short segment
35:58
Speaker 1: on Bricks, we'll talk more about this extra. I just
36:00
Speaker 1: thought this was quite appropriate from the Bricks News twitter feed,
36:05
Speaker 1: which is out bricks Infu and they are comparing West
36:08
Speaker 1: versus East. I think that graphic speaks for itself. But
36:13
Speaker 1: in the meantime, Charles will come back to you and
36:15
Speaker 1: look at the situation because bricks, of course is all
36:18
Speaker 1: about investment. Well what's going on with investment in the UK?
36:25
Speaker 4: Thanks?
36:25
Speaker 7: Right?
36:25
Speaker 3: Yes, this follows well actually, especially as there is now
36:28
Speaker 3: chatter about the rules on the national debt in the
36:31
Speaker 3: UK being changed in order to allow the Labor government
36:35
Speaker 3: to pursue their own agenda. And I think as we
36:37
Speaker 3: always have to ask question who will benefit. And on
36:41
Speaker 3: the theme of investment, they've announced recently on the tenth
36:44
Speaker 3: foc table there's to be a new investment Minister. So
36:47
Speaker 3: let's take a look at how that has been bolstered.
36:50
Speaker 3: That's the word they're using. The mail put it as
36:53
Speaker 3: tech tycoon who sold her four billion cybersecurity company to
36:58
Speaker 3: a foreign private equity firm is appointed Keir Starmer's new
37:02
Speaker 3: investment Minister. And if you don't recognize the girl in
37:05
Speaker 3: the picture, she is Poppy Gustavson and she has recently
37:09
Speaker 3: handed over as chief executive of dark Trace, the cybersecurity
37:14
Speaker 3: company that has been involved in many extraordinary incidents over
37:19
Speaker 3: the past few months, not least the extraordinarily coincidental deaths
37:23
Speaker 3: of Stephen Chamberlain and Mike Lynch almost effectively on the
37:27
Speaker 3: same day they set up the company with the proceeds
37:31
Speaker 3: from Autonomy's sale to Hewlett Packard. The relevant part here,
37:36
Speaker 3: of course, concerning her ministerial appointment is that on the
37:39
Speaker 3: dark Trace website when she stood down, she said, I
37:42
Speaker 3: am profoundly grateful to have had the privilege of leading
37:44
Speaker 3: such an exceptional team, and I look forward to remaining
37:47
Speaker 3: engaged in this citing next chapter of the business as
37:51
Speaker 3: a non executive director after the transaction complete. I remain
37:56
Speaker 3: dark TRACE's number one fan. Well, I bet she does,
38:00
Speaker 3: but does that really suit her position as investment Minister?
38:04
Speaker 4: Now?
38:05
Speaker 3: The Guardian has a photograph from some years back of
38:09
Speaker 3: a chap called Benjamin Wegg Prosser, who was touted to
38:13
Speaker 3: be taking this job, and it's interesting to note that
38:15
Speaker 3: he too has an intriguing past. He was the director
38:18
Speaker 3: of Strategic Communications at Downing Street during the Blair years,
38:22
Speaker 3: having worked initially as an advisor for Peter Mandelson, and
38:26
Speaker 3: he decided he didn't want to do it, which is
38:28
Speaker 3: why Gustofsen has stepped in. But her name will be
38:31
Speaker 3: familiar not just because of her dark Trace history, but
38:34
Speaker 3: also because she is on a panel of what's so
38:36
Speaker 3: called tech experts to shape government digital vision, to drive
38:40
Speaker 3: innovation and boost public services that's being shaired by Martha
38:44
Speaker 3: Lane Fox of Last Minute dot com fame. So everybody's
38:47
Speaker 3: getting a slice of the pie so speak, no more
38:50
Speaker 3: so than a couple of people meeting with the Prime
38:53
Speaker 3: Minister and the Chancellor.
38:54
Speaker 4: Here the Prime.
38:56
Speaker 3: Minister tweeting that investment is fundamental to growing ouronomy and
39:01
Speaker 3: that we can unlock further opportunities. I think the question
39:04
Speaker 3: to be asked is further opportunities for whom Here we
39:07
Speaker 3: see Larry Fink headman at black Rock, which has an
39:12
Speaker 3: estimated worth of eleven point five trillion dollars, and Bill
39:16
Speaker 3: Gates reckoned to be worth upwards of one hundred and
39:20
Speaker 3: five billion dollars. What on earth do they have to
39:23
Speaker 3: do with policymaking or indeed investment in the United Kingdom.
39:27
Speaker 3: You might be forgiven for asking.
39:29
Speaker 2: Now.
39:29
Speaker 3: Gustafson's appointment has come because she's been stuffed into the
39:33
Speaker 3: House of Lords, and we talked about this recently because
39:38
Speaker 3: of the push to do away with hereditary peers once
39:42
Speaker 3: and for all. So I just thought it would be
39:45
Speaker 3: interesting to look at the numbers of life peers created
39:49
Speaker 3: over the years. This graph, although small, shows McMillan at
39:52
Speaker 3: the top going down to Starmer at the bottom. Blair
39:55
Speaker 3: there on three hundred and seventy four life peerages Cameron
39:59
Speaker 3: in a short space of time two hundred and forty five.
40:01
Speaker 3: Also worth noting that Liz Trust in her forty five
40:04
Speaker 3: days in office, did create twenty nine life peers, so
40:08
Speaker 3: they're all at it. And I think the point here
40:12
Speaker 3: to be made is that we have the Advisory Committee
40:15
Speaker 3: on Business Appointments at COBA, which deals with the appointment
40:19
Speaker 3: of people who have been working for the Crown, but
40:22
Speaker 3: of course they have no such control over people who
40:25
Speaker 3: are about to work for the Crown. That should be
40:27
Speaker 3: part of the register of interests of any of the
40:30
Speaker 3: various departments that are going to be employing these people.
40:33
Speaker 3: And she is as Minister for Investment within the Department
40:37
Speaker 3: for Business and Trade. They have not updated their register
40:40
Speaker 3: of interests. I inquired as to what her interests were.
40:45
Speaker 3: I've heard no reply. So again the question to be
40:48
Speaker 3: asked is at a time where the government are claiming
40:52
Speaker 3: to have a twenty two billion black hole, they're now
40:54
Speaker 3: looking for a further forty billion, and that you claim
40:56
Speaker 3: to be investing on our behalf, but of course certainly
41:01
Speaker 3: with our money, but in whose interests?
41:06
Speaker 1: Good question, Thank you Charles for that. Now let's come
41:09
Speaker 1: back onto the issue of war then, and Charles did
41:12
Speaker 1: mention Ukrainian pilots, so let's bring the latest tranch of
41:16
Speaker 1: Ukrainian pilots on screen. Here they are great photograph pushed
41:19
Speaker 1: out by the British government to tell us all about them.
41:22
Speaker 1: Two hundred of them is in the latest lot. Here's
41:25
Speaker 1: another picture of these are the aircraft that has been
41:27
Speaker 1: flying so pretty far away from F sixteen's. But nonetheless
41:31
Speaker 1: Pollard tweeting out that did you know the UK has
41:34
Speaker 1: now trained two hundred Ukrainian pilots. Today I attended the
41:37
Speaker 1: graduation of the latest pilots from RAF's training program. These
41:41
Speaker 1: pilots will soon be flying Ukrainian F sixteen's. Well, if
41:44
Speaker 1: by soon you mean in two or three years, then maybe,
41:47
Speaker 1: but not anytime really soon, because there's quite a lot
41:50
Speaker 1: to do between flying a single engine GROB and flying
41:55
Speaker 1: and F sixteen. So in the meantime, the British govern
42:00
Speaker 1: the Minister of Defense tweeting out to no. Forty eight
42:03
Speaker 1: thousand more than forty eight thousand Ukrainian personnel have been
42:06
Speaker 1: trained in the UK under Operational Interflex, helping push back
42:11
Speaker 1: Russian aggression in the country. So well that there you go,
42:15
Speaker 1: that's all very exciting. Now. In the meantime, David Lammy
42:20
Speaker 1: has been saying some stuff, and well, let's just have
42:24
Speaker 1: a look at it.
42:27
Speaker 2: I'm here at the de miner Tried zone on the
42:29
Speaker 2: Korean Peninsula, right on the border with North Korea, a
42:33
Speaker 2: regen supporting Putin and the leaving war against Ukraine. We've
42:38
Speaker 2: all seen reports of North Korea sending troops to Russia,
42:42
Speaker 2: shipping arms to Russia and providing Putin with political support.
42:47
Speaker 2: This only prolonged war in Europe threatens peace in Asia.
42:52
Speaker 2: This must stop. I've made it my personal mission as
42:56
Speaker 2: Foreign Secretary to use the full weight of British to
42:59
Speaker 2: close the scene constrain Kreminin. That's why I'm here working
43:03
Speaker 2: with our friends in South Korean the safeguard Britain's national
43:07
Speaker 2: and economic security and South Koreans too. Together we would
43:12
Speaker 2: showed Putin the Ukraine's supports from Europe to Asia stand in.
43:17
Speaker 1: Ukraine for stops and tents. Man, if you've all stopped
43:24
Speaker 1: throwing up in a bucket by now, we'll look at
43:27
Speaker 1: the evidence. This is the evidence, apparently of North Koreans
43:31
Speaker 1: fighting alongside Russians. Here we go there it is on screen,
43:35
Speaker 1: and this is from the Korea Herald, Russian North Korean
43:37
Speaker 1: flags displayed together on Ukrainian battlefield. Yes, well less said
43:44
Speaker 1: about that the better perhaps, So anyway, sticking with X
43:48
Speaker 1: David Lammy pushing this out, we've all seen the reports
43:51
Speaker 1: of North Korea sending troops and weapons to support Russian
43:55
Speaker 1: putting the legal war against Ukraine. I went to the
43:58
Speaker 1: demilitarized zone. Bloody, bloody, I just what really wanted to
44:01
Speaker 1: highlight the comments that were under this, because there was
44:05
Speaker 1: nothing really positive. So let's have a look. Yeah, and
44:08
Speaker 1: we've all seen the reality of UK draconian crackdown on
44:11
Speaker 1: free speech North Korean style. What of that? Said Alan Miller,
44:16
Speaker 1: Willie Darling saying, we've all seen reports of US and
44:19
Speaker 1: UK sending weapons to fascist Israeli regime engaged in actual genocide.
44:23
Speaker 1: We've got what about US, Germany and UK sending weapons
44:27
Speaker 1: and nonconditional support to Israel the slaughter Palestinians. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: then underneath that the people's Britain. Yes, we only send
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Speaker 1: weapons to support illegal wars. Well, that's just for it,
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Speaker 1: went on, Now, does do something similar for Gaza? Was
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Speaker 1: another comment. You can send weapons to help support someone
44:45
Speaker 1: else's war that will kill thousands of innocent people. That's
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Speaker 1: our job, Lammy as a clown, other people laughing and
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Speaker 1: saying okay, Rambo and another person saying they must have
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Speaker 1: been on the edge of their seats. Went on, So
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Speaker 1: it just did not end. These meant clearly, if Lammy's
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Speaker 1: paying any attention, he should be getting an idea of
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Speaker 1: how people actually feel about the propaganda that he was
45:08
Speaker 1: pushing out. But just to end this, then let's just
45:13
Speaker 1: let you know the lidist from Celenski himself, who's deeply
45:16
Speaker 1: grateful to the United Kingdom of providing Ukraine with an
45:19
Speaker 1: additional three billion dollars in financial assistance to support our
45:22
Speaker 1: military needs. And that follows on from what Charles was
45:26
Speaker 1: saying earlier. So the continuing war narrative in one sense
45:32
Speaker 1: very very serious, in another sense in an absolute comedy
45:34
Speaker 1: show as they try to justify their actions. But in
45:38
Speaker 1: the meantime, Vanessa bring us up to date with what's
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Speaker 1: been going on in Lebanon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and of course Lammy, you know, enthusiastically supporting Israel's
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Speaker 5: war which is now effectively against the entire region. So
45:54
Speaker 5: this is the latest from the Israeli occupation forces. It's
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Speaker 5: difficult not to smile, but it is leading to the
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Speaker 5: carpet bombing of various areas of Beirut and.
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Speaker 6: All of Lebanon. Nostraula's money bunker. So now it's not
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Speaker 6: only weapons.
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Speaker 5: Apparently, the bunker below the Al Sahel Hospital in Beirut
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Speaker 5: was used for many years by the former leader of
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Speaker 5: Hesbelahas and Osrala as his emergency bunker. The bunker currently
46:26
Speaker 5: serves as Hezbola's central financial facility, where Hezbola stores the
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Speaker 5: majority of its money, money that was stolen from Lebanese
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Speaker 5: civilians and is.
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Speaker 6: Used for its terrorist activities.
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Speaker 5: I'll come on to what that money actually represents in
46:39
Speaker 5: a minute, but let's listen to the spokesperson for the
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Speaker 5: Israeli forces.
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Speaker 13: The IDF will not allow Isabella to regroup and re arm.
46:53
Speaker 13: Not only in this not only is this Iranian money
46:57
Speaker 13: used to kill Israelis, it also threw attends the Lebanese economy.
47:02
Speaker 13: As Ris Bala continues to smugle Iranian money into Lebanon
47:06
Speaker 13: in dollars, it devalues the Lebanese pound, making the economic
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Speaker 13: crisis in Lebanon even worse. Another source of income for
47:15
Speaker 13: Chris Bala is the citizens of Lebanon. Chris Bala makes
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Speaker 13: money for Lebanes citizens by offering them financial services through
47:24
Speaker 13: the Al Kardo Hassan Association. Last night we called on
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Speaker 13: Lebany civilians to move out, move out of arms, way
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Speaker 13: from Chris Bala's financial facilities across Lebanon.
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Speaker 6: Across Lebanon.
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Speaker 5: So what this effectively means, of course, sorts of pretext,
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Speaker 5: as I said, for carpet bombing various areas and killing
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Speaker 5: more civilians in Lebanon.
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Speaker 6: This is by Steve.
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Speaker 5: Sweeney, who's now with RT but based in Beayvoruit at
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Speaker 5: the moment. So he said he visited the Saha Hospital
47:56
Speaker 5: in southern Bayvrou morning after Israel made claims without evidence
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Speaker 5: that hundreds of billions of dollars in gold and cash
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Speaker 5: were stalled in the basement.
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Speaker 6: And used to fund Hezbela.
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Speaker 5: He had unrestricted access to all areas, including the basement,
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Speaker 5: and all I found was the normal things found in
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Speaker 5: any hospital in any country across the world. The hospital
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Speaker 5: director believes it will be bombed by Israel, repeating a
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Speaker 5: pattern scene in Gaza, with attempts to link the hospital
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Speaker 5: to Hezbollah a smoke.
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Speaker 6: Screen to justify an attack.
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Speaker 5: We had to leave the hospital with drawings flying overhead,
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Speaker 5: with the potential for Israel to strike.
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Speaker 6: At any moment. The Health Ministry is called on the international.
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Speaker 5: Community to speak out and break its silence on Israel's
48:35
Speaker 5: war crimes. And at least four people including a child,
48:39
Speaker 5: were killed as Israel bomb the vicinity of the Roughi
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Speaker 5: Career Hospital.
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Speaker 6: Or Monday night, well fourteen.
48:44
Speaker 5: People were killed in Janna, wiping out two families. So
48:49
Speaker 5: again you know very familiar stories. I was speaking to
48:52
Speaker 5: journalists Madhoi OsmAnd last night. She told me four hospitals
48:57
Speaker 5: in total so far have been bombed by Israel. Even
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Speaker 5: Amnesty International has weighed on on this one. Branches of
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Speaker 5: Hezbala affiliated financial institution not military targets, so basically that
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Speaker 5: they say that of course this is a war crime.
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Speaker 6: Not only that, but the banks are actually.
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Speaker 5: Often in shops, in apartment buildings in civilian areas. And
49:22
Speaker 5: if we just look at their next proment or from
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Speaker 5: the director of Amnesty International in the region, Israeli forces
49:30
Speaker 5: have targeted an institution that serves as an economic lifeline
49:33
Speaker 5: for countless Lebanese civilians. This along with an evacuation warning
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Speaker 5: issued less than forty minutes before the start of the
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Speaker 5: strikes shows Israel's disregard.
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Speaker 6: For international human humanitarian law.
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Speaker 5: Even if, sorry, as the Israeli military allegers, the institution
49:51
Speaker 5: does provide financing to Habela, it is not likely to
49:54
Speaker 5: meet the definition of a.
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Speaker 6: Military objective, particularly for.
49:57
Speaker 5: Branches serving civilian cusustomers and from Al Ahba, which is
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Speaker 5: a Lebanese media Sorry if you can go back for
50:06
Speaker 5: one second. In reality, Al Khad Ala Hassan Hassan Bank
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Speaker 5: was established to address leban And severe poverty and lack
50:13
Speaker 5: of state provided aid, offering financial assistance to struggling communities.
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Speaker 5: Its primary purposes to serve individuals seeking financial solutions without
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Speaker 5: resorting to usury, which is condemned in Islam for its
50:26
Speaker 5: exploitative high interest rates. Unlike Islamic banks in capitalist systems,
50:32
Speaker 5: which often serve their own economic interests, Al Khad al
50:36
Speaker 5: Hassan provides interest free loans and savings options to improve
50:41
Speaker 5: social conditions, not to generate profit.
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Speaker 6: And again, I was speaking to Morrow OsmAnd last night.
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Speaker 5: She told me that often what people will do if
50:49
Speaker 5: they need to borrow money, they will deposit a certain
50:52
Speaker 5: amount of gold.
50:53
Speaker 6: For example, they can borrow up to whatever it is
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Speaker 6: ten thousand dollars. They don't pay intes on that loan.
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Speaker 5: They can choose the amount of time they need to
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Speaker 5: pay it off, and when they've paid it off, they
51:04
Speaker 5: get the goal back.
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Speaker 6: So a little bit different to let's say Western banking systems.
51:11
Speaker 6: And in combination with what's going on.
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Speaker 5: In Syria, we keep talking about the border road, and
51:19
Speaker 5: as people were preparing to go on foot past.
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Speaker 6: The original crater, Israel bombed again.
51:27
Speaker 5: It's not such a deep crater, but of course they've
51:29
Speaker 5: destroyed even more of the border road to make it
51:32
Speaker 5: very difficult to pass on foot or obviously by car.
51:36
Speaker 6: And remembering that the Lebanese government is under instructions.
51:41
Speaker 5: By the United States and Israel to not allow one
51:44
Speaker 5: grain of sand to be replaced or any repairs to
51:47
Speaker 5: be done on the road. At the same time, a
51:53
Speaker 5: couple of days ago, at around five o'clock in the evening,
51:57
Speaker 5: there was an Israeli attack on a car which they
52:00
Speaker 5: claimed was targeting the commander of Islamic she had.
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Speaker 6: In fact, that was proven not to be the case.
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Speaker 5: This was outside one of the busiest areas again in
52:11
Speaker 5: Mese in central Damascus, outside the Golden Mesee Hotel. All
52:16
Speaker 5: the windows of the hotels. You can see in the
52:19
Speaker 5: background there were blown out. There were two civilians killed.
52:22
Speaker 5: The rocket actually hit the driving seat of the car,
52:27
Speaker 5: and three civilians who were walking past were injured.
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Speaker 6: So you know clearly.
52:33
Speaker 5: Israel has no intention of throttling back. There are visits
52:38
Speaker 5: of Anthony Blincoln, Amos Watstein going on at the.
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Speaker 6: Moment, and we know that generally once they've been and gone,
52:45
Speaker 6: there is some form of escalation.
52:47
Speaker 5: Many analysts believe that Israel will attack Iran in certainly
52:53
Speaker 5: before the American elections.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you that Vanica Charles, that's come to
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Speaker 1: you then, and finish off with justice.
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Speaker 4: Thanks y.
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Speaker 3: I think we have to apply the word justice with
53:09
Speaker 3: some degree of caution. But we have the Justice Minister
53:13
Speaker 3: attempting to justify why she has released seventeen hundred prisoners
53:19
Speaker 3: as of yesterday and explaining why this is in actual
53:23
Speaker 3: fact a good thing and where.
53:25
Speaker 4: It's going to lead. So we'll just look at a
53:27
Speaker 4: bit of video content from her. Now.
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Speaker 14: When this government took office three months ago, our prisons
53:33
Speaker 14: were in crisis. I took the difficult but necessary action
53:36
Speaker 14: releasing some prisoners from their custodial sentences. A few weeks
53:40
Speaker 14: or months early to serve the rest on license in
53:43
Speaker 14: the community. Today, I have set out a plan to
53:45
Speaker 14: ensure that never happens again. That starts by building fourteen
53:49
Speaker 14: thousand more prison places. But we must face the fact
53:53
Speaker 14: with the prison population growing by four and a half
53:55
Speaker 14: thousand every year, we cannot build our way out of
53:59
Speaker 14: this CRISI so today I am launching a review of
54:02
Speaker 14: sentences so we never run out of space in our
54:04
Speaker 14: prisons again. It will be guided by three principles. First,
54:09
Speaker 14: dangerous offenders must be in prison. Second, our jails must
54:13
Speaker 14: make better citizens and not better criminals. And third, we
54:18
Speaker 14: must expand the use of punishment outside of prison. I
54:21
Speaker 14: have appointed David gork to lead this work, a former
54:24
Speaker 14: Conservative Justice Secretary. But let me be clear about where
54:26
Speaker 14: I stand. Crime must have consequences. Prison will always have
54:32
Speaker 14: a place, and we must encourage offenders to turn their
54:34
Speaker 14: backs on a life of crime. And here is my promise,
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Speaker 14: the emergency release of prisoners will never happen again.
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Speaker 3: No, you can tell that she hasn't been in office
54:49
Speaker 3: very long because she made the extraordinary decision to promise
54:52
Speaker 3: certain things, which of course she has absolutely no gift
54:56
Speaker 3: to deliver on. She handled some it well by tasking
55:01
Speaker 3: a former Tory minister with making sure this happened and
55:05
Speaker 3: therefore setting him up as the fall guy. But it
55:08
Speaker 3: is nonetheless discordant to see her referring to punishment rather
55:12
Speaker 3: than justice. And I think one might ask the question,
55:15
Speaker 3: how does she know that there are going to be
55:17
Speaker 3: an extra four and a half thousand people entering the
55:20
Speaker 3: prison system over the next few years. Her sons don't
55:23
Speaker 3: really add up, because, of course, while she says they
55:25
Speaker 3: can't build their way out of it with only fourteen
55:28
Speaker 3: thousand new spaces, it seems that they are going to
55:32
Speaker 3: have a go. Now, how did we get to this point?
55:35
Speaker 3: This is something that she didn't mention. But of course
55:38
Speaker 3: if we cast our minds back to August, very shortly
55:41
Speaker 3: after this government did take office, we see this a
55:44
Speaker 3: statement from the Home Office saying our prison sentence is
55:47
Speaker 3: for rioting violent disorder in citing racial hatred and criminal damage.
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Speaker 3: But the show off bit is that they have arrested
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Speaker 3: more than one thousand people, many of whom were in
55:58
Speaker 3: fact sent into prison spaces that of course had to
56:00
Speaker 3: be given up. And we had the instance of cells
56:03
Speaker 3: being well overcrowded, overpopulated, and generally the situation was very
56:09
Speaker 3: badly handled. Will come onto the specifics in a little while,
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Speaker 3: but just to go to the prison development side of it,
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Speaker 3: it's interesting to note that one of them, HMP mills
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Speaker 3: sorry Millsyche, has been awarded a contract and is going
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Speaker 3: to be the UK's first all green electric prison, sorry,
56:31
Speaker 3: all electric green prison. So it says it will run
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Speaker 3: solely on electricity, making it the first of its kind.
56:36
Speaker 3: It will use solar panels, heat pump technology and more
56:40
Speaker 3: efficient lighting systems to run the prison, saying that it's
56:43
Speaker 3: going to be more efficient by a quarter than traditional
56:48
Speaker 3: Victorian prisons. Again, I think we absolutely have to wait
56:51
Speaker 3: and see. Now, we talked about the instances of what
56:57
Speaker 3: was called violent disorder over the summer and people who
57:00
Speaker 3: offered the consequences of that almost regardless of their actions,
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Speaker 3: and therefore it is very much worth reporting that Peter Lynch,
57:09
Speaker 3: one of the people who was imprisoned on what were
57:14
Speaker 3: extremely tenuous grounds, has died in prison and reckoned to
57:20
Speaker 3: have taken his own life. Now, of course we can't
57:23
Speaker 3: be certain why that was. None of us was there,
57:26
Speaker 3: but it seems unlikely that this wasn't related directly to
57:29
Speaker 3: the fact that he has been imprisoned in the first place.
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Speaker 3: And just a reminder of how the mainstream painted this.
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Speaker 3: This is the Guardian saying that he's a disgraceful example
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Speaker 3: of a grandfather jailed to role in Rotherham riot. And
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Speaker 3: yet the way they described his actions was such a
57:43
Speaker 3: sixty one year old man who waived conspiracy theory placards
57:47
Speaker 3: and screamed abuse at police outside a hotel housing sorry,
57:52
Speaker 3: outside a hotel housing asylum seekers was told he was
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Speaker 3: a disgraceful example of a grandfather, as he was sentenced
57:58
Speaker 3: to two years and eight months in Now, that does
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Speaker 3: not constitute violent disorder, and I will show you why.
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Speaker 3: This is from the Public Order at nineteen eighty six,
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Speaker 3: in which section two covers violent disorder where three or
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Speaker 3: more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence,
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Speaker 3: and the conduct of them taken together, is such as
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Speaker 3: would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the
58:20
Speaker 3: scene to fear for his personal safety. Now, it goes
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Speaker 3: on to qualify this it is immaterial whether or not
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Speaker 3: the three or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
58:32
Speaker 3: So yet another example of legislation being very very deliberately
58:36
Speaker 3: crafted to be manipulated and abused in order to capture
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Speaker 3: whoever is needed to be captured in this case, Peter
58:42
Speaker 3: Lynch and many others. And it finally says no person
58:46
Speaker 3: of reasonable firmness need actually be or be likely to
58:49
Speaker 3: be present at the scene. Now, this really does represent
58:53
Speaker 3: something of a disgrace. And now that one of these
58:55
Speaker 3: people has in fact died in prison, most likely as
58:58
Speaker 3: a result of having been in prison in the first
59:00
Speaker 3: should join the spotlight on the Home Office and indeed
59:03
Speaker 3: the Ministry of Justice. Of course, we remain to see
59:06
Speaker 3: whether that's the case. Separately to this, we have Mark
59:08
Speaker 3: Rowley commentating on the acquittal of Martin Blake, sergeant in
59:13
Speaker 3: the Metropolitan Police Service who shot Chris Carber, firearms officer
59:16
Speaker 3: who fired at a suspect, killing him. And this is
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Speaker 3: Rowley's statement which we'll just have a quick listen.
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Speaker 15: To any fatal use of force and the standardly prompts
59:29
Speaker 15: huge concern amongst communities, particularly black communities. We're trust in
59:33
Speaker 15: policing is low. There remains much of us to do
59:36
Speaker 15: to strength and confidence in our service. And we know
59:38
Speaker 15: the incidents like this can place further strain on a
59:41
Speaker 15: really difficult relationships. No police officer is above the law,
59:48
Speaker 15: but we've been clear that the system holding police to
59:50
Speaker 15: account is broken. I worry about the lack of support
59:54
Speaker 15: officers face for doing their best, but most of all
59:57
Speaker 15: I worry for the public. The we've crushed the spirit
1:00:01
Speaker 15: of good officers, the less that they can fight crime.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: Of course he might make what appears to be a
1:00:10
Speaker 3: good argument, but I think he oversympathized terribly, and also
1:00:13
Speaker 3: he completely ignores the main point, which is that the
1:00:18
Speaker 3: police who are in the system at the moment are
1:00:21
Speaker 3: terribly managed. And this has been addressed in the House
1:00:23
Speaker 3: of Lord's Library, Police Standards and Culture Restoring public trust,
1:00:27
Speaker 3: something that I wrote about last year in an article
1:00:30
Speaker 3: on the UK column website Police Misconduct, Cleaning House or
1:00:33
Speaker 3: clearing the path for a one World Government. So there's
1:00:36
Speaker 3: an awful lot to this, and I would encourage you
1:00:39
Speaker 3: to go and look at that article, which covers the
1:00:42
Speaker 3: many reviews and reports that have been done about police
1:00:45
Speaker 3: misconduct in the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: Brilliant Jarvis. Thank you very much for that, and well,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: with lots to talk from today's program, talk about in Extra,
1:00:55
Speaker 1: which will be in a couple of minutes. Now we've
1:00:56
Speaker 1: got to leave it there, so thank you very much
1:00:58
Speaker 1: to Charles of Vanas for joining me to day, and
1:01:00
Speaker 1: for everybody that's watched. If you're a UK column we'll
1:01:03
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1:01:06
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1:01:09
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