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S3 E5: Job For Life? · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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Fifteen degrees. You can see your breath out here in the lake effect,
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breaking tables like a tree. Where else would you have to be? And
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to Ron Elvis and the lay Panchow remember that you need to know told you
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out here now your family? Where else would you happy? Where else would
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that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo Bills and NFL content Again today,
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and as always, these are my Bill's thoughts set out loud. It's
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about so ridiculous, destroy the say thing was sick the show? Where else
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would you want to be? All right, let's get straight to it.
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I am really excited about tonight's episode. M One of the you know,
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the main reasons that I actually started this podcast was because of the fact that
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it was literally that that little outro right there, like Bill's thoughts set out
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Loud, I would constantly talk to myself about the bills in my own head
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and constantly come up with different ideas for the team and different ideas for the
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direction of the team and what I wanted to see happen. And it was.
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It was just something where I just had to kind of get this stuff
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out there into the atmosphere, and I again stopped being scared, and then
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I started recording and stop caring about what people think. And then obviously one
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thing led to another where we our season three into this whole thing, and
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I'm so happy. Now I've got my my co host with me and one
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of my good friends who we've grown closer throughout this entire process joining me as
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always tonight my co host Adam Dump truck rupsick Holla at the crew DT.
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This has been interesting, man. We have started a little bit of a
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topic on w GR these last couple of days. I know these are we're
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not even in the dog days of summer yet, but it's coming up before
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you know it. And man, this has been a topic and something that
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has been you know, near and dear to our heart here on Nickel City
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Crew about you know, Sean McDermott in the direction of the team and where
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we're going hollow at the Crew DT. What's good, Adam dump truck rupsick
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holl at the Crew DT. Nicol City, gonna be back, Rob?
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How are we doing? Another week? Another dollar? That's how we do
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always we're in the dog days of the off season, as as you said,
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and looking forward to to getting in tonight. For sure, I was
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a little you know, during the week. It was not concerned because we
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can always find something to talk about with this team and our fandom, and
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you know, if anything, we can just sit here and shoot the ship.
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But when you when you hit me up today about being on GR and
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whatnot, which I'm surprised. I usually get some local Nickel City Crew listeners
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that if they hear you on there, they'll they'll let me know, Hey,
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Rob was on that Rob was on GR so they must have not been
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on night. But I'm excited to kind of hear it, see what it
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sounded like. And yeah, I mean it touches the topic of you know,
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really the burning topic of something we can really focus in on, and
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and it starts up top with Sean, so we'll get into it. Yeah.
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Man, it was interesting because you know, yesterday they were talking about
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Sean McDermott on WGR show from the Bulldog, and it was a situation where
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I just kept, you know, I was hearing some things, and then
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all of a sudden, I just felt kind of compelled to just call in
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because I wanted to make sure that, you know, Nickel City Crew was
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represented. We have not called for Sean McDermott's job here at Nicols City Crew.
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Now. One thing that we have always, uh, you know,
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kind of tried to shine a light on is the fact that I want him
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to kind of, you know, hold himself to the same accountability that he
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holds his players to, you know, growth mindset and all the other catchy
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phrases, you know, and trust the process, all these different you know,
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phrases that come up for the Buffalo Bills and under his tutelage, I
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wanted him to kind of practice what he's preaching, so to speak. And
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it was a situation where they were kind of just talking about him DT and
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all of a sudden I just couldn't help it. I called in. I
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talked to the screener and he said, hold on, we'll try to get
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you on. And this is kind of what happened thereafter, because not only
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was it a conversation that percolated really and started a great conversation, but it
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kind of carried over it to Today with Jeremy White Show with you know,
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Joe Dibiazi Sneaky Joe, and then even the afternoon show thereafter chopping the Bulldog
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again. Today started off their afternoon show kind of talking about a work recording
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these old Wednesdays, and it was just it was crazy, DT, because
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you know, I don't think that Sean McDermott has done enough to kind of,
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you know, just get carte blanche. I don't think that he's done
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enough to where he's he's just a made man, so to speak, you
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know what I mean, goodfellas, you know, I you know, I
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just don't think that he's in that type of situation. And I'm I'm watching
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him closely. I want to to shine a light on the fact that I
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think that he has kind of changed his stripes when it comes to the big
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Games, DT. I think that it's just a it's just a fact.
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The way that the reason that I started to call on the show was because
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Chope was laying out all of the you know, playoff defeats and all of
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the different progression as we've gone through and we've done the same thing on our
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show and Sugar Hi Josh and all of the different things and the transition,
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and it was a situation where listen, man, Sean McDermott is responsible for
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this team. He's got the reins of the team now Leslie Fraser is out,
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so obviously the defense is all on him, and I just I just
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don't want it to be a situation where we're giving this guy a pass because
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um, you know he doesn't eat dog biscuits, you know, you know
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quite frankly dt. Yeah, well, the old Rex Ryan not label there
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and strong, strong excitement because the Bills needed something in on top of conservative
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coach. At a conservative coach, you get Rex Ryan in here and spice
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it up a little, and then Sean McDermott comes in and he kind of
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reaps that happy medium of you know, definitely conservative and and and hard nosed
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and you know, not about flash or anything like that, but he does
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seem like he is, you know, a player's coach, and he the
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players do kind of feel like he's he relates to them in a way.
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As there's been some under grumblings of you know, coordinators or whatever. The
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case is nothing out public, nothing proven, you know, it's all speculation
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at this point when it when it comes to Sean mcderman and rightfully show that
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nobody the organization isn't gonna you know, be condoned anything that you know looks
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at him in a bad light by any means. But uh, yeah,
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I mean we we talked about a time and a time out and again,
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like you mentioned earlier, we're not you know, calling for his head or
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anything like that. But you know, but the fact that he doesn't go
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on trial enough, I think is a is a good talking point. And
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um, you know the no hide reference, the no hide reference this year,
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this is this is uh, you know, all in, all out.
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And I think in today's world, everything you know, from ordering a
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coffee to you know, win in the Super Bowl is a lot less patience
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than it was you know, even five years ago. Uh and that might
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be some determ with social media, with you know how everything is so everybody's
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right on everything right away, you know, sensitivity, everybody sees it all,
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everybody has an opinion. The heat the fire feels hotter now than it
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definitely did five years ago when it comes to stuff like that where you may
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be able to skate through and you may be able to fly under the radar,
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and you may be able to get you know, a situation where you
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can be a long term, you know person in a position. Even in
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my company, you know, there there was when I started, you know,
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nine nine years ago, there was people in their roles for for twenty
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plus years and had not even thought about getting out of them. And now
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as the new age comes, it's turn and burn for me lately. And
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you know, we see it in coaching in all the sports, which we'll
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get into tonight. So I think just society has changed a little to a
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little more act now reaction now what have you done for me lately, which
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you know, kind of diminishes the idea that he is going to be a
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forever type of coach and let's start seeing some rings right. Yes, it's
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funny because one of the words that you used in that was patience, and
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patience was one of the big things that they were talking about on the morning
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show this morning. Again it's we were you know, we record these on
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Wednesday, So the Wednesday Morning Show with Jeremy and Joe Dbias, they were
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talking about how patient and Joe was talking about how patient he's going to be
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and different things like that, and like, you know, he wasn't quite
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there, but you know he might be there next year. So let's set
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the table again. This is just something where again this was kind of the
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impetus of the show. The whole point to be starting the podcast was to
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get my bills thoughts set out loud. So I'm just a little bit in
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a great mood tonight, just kind of bragging on Nickel City Crew and bragging
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on you and I because this is a conversation that you and I have had
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back in season one, back in season two, not calling for his job
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once again, but but making sure that we were shutting the spotlight on some
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of the tendencies that we saw that could be a little bit troubling. So
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here is me yesterday on behalf of Nicol City Crew calling of w GR during
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the five o'clock hour, w g R. If you don't have their app,
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or if you're on they've got one of their apps out of the case,
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maybe you can go on Odyssey check it out. It was the five
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o'clock hour, around five fourteen in I'm a little worried about the fact that
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they haven't won a yet. Of course that would vary meeting wildly around here.
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Here's a Rob with us. Hi, Rob, Hey, thanks for
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taking McCall appreciate it. Rob, thanks for calling us. Yeah, I
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just wanted to say that, Um, you know, I enjoyed the way
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that you just broke down like the season progressions have gone through the playoffs.
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I think that the one linked been to the whole entire situation has just been
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the coach in respect to the badfield, please come up and changed and strike,
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so to speak, in the biggest games, and I feel that he
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coaches not to lose. I've talked about it before many times, and I
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just love the way you laid it out because I have laid out the progression
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as well, because we did have that sugar high jash and nobody was upset
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after the Houston game of Kyle Bran comes out, you know, with that
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coin phrase, and everybody understood that we were on the tractory going upwards,
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and it was it felt great, and then it's just I just feel like
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letdown after letdown, and I just I don't know how I'll feel after another
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letdown because thirteen seconds in my crystal opinion was, you know, one of
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the best shots until obviously we won the Super Bowl, and then obviously it
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wasn't you know, you know, And I just kind of feel that about
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the play, the coach, coaches and the biggest games. Thanks Rob.
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And if we have talked before or you know what I'm thinking, probably because
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I'm not sure I've changed my position at all on this. I can't find
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peace in talking about here. We have Doc Rivers today talking about a coaching
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change to a team that wins seventy five percent of his games in the NFL,
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where like nobody keeps that pace. That to me, if you told
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me put it to a vote, if you told me they went thirteen and
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four, sorry, how stupid that sounds. If you told me they went
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thirteen and four and lost in the second round, to anybody, I doubt
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I'm gonna want a coaching change. And if you want to tell me exactly
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how it happened, you want to tell me that he forgot how many guys
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line up on the field for a play, and there were fifteen guys on
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the field and they still got scored on and the penalty flag was just adding
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to the embarrassment. I don't know that I would take that to mean they
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should have a new coach. Now, DT, let's unpack that man,
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because listen, that's a situation where you're almost given this guy carte blanche.
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Like. Now, obviously he was being you know, facetious, and he
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was obviously you know, hyperbole with the fifteen players in the field. But
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I don't think that this like McDermott doesn't just get like this this leash and
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this golden leash where he's just able to do whatever he wants to do just
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because of the fact that he is a professional and that he you know,
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he's brought a sense of camaraderie to the Buffalo Bills, and he's brought a
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sense of culture, if you will. That word always gets be stuck up
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because culture is based on winning. If you win, then you have a
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great culture. If you're losing, then you have a shitty one. So
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I'm not going to give him too many merit badges for the fact that he
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has not ran a frat house like Rex Ryan did. I just I just
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I push against that whole narrative that he is in a situation where he is
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untouchable, and I was really wondering what you thought about it because of the
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fact that obviously you just heard on Western New York's number one sports talk rate
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D show, I call in and we're met with you sound crazy if if
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you even want to bring it up, And eventually that's what you know,
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the poetic justice in it was that you know, eventually it didn't sound crazy
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because it sparked an entire worth of conversations later in his show. It's sparked
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conversations this morning on Jeremy and Joe Dibias, and then it sparked more conversations
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on the afternoon show once again. So this is on the fans minds.
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This is percolating if the Buffalo Bills go out again in the playoffs in similar
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fashion, and it's under this situation where we're looking at Sean McDermott cross side,
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I think that it's perfectly reasonable to start looking at him and to start
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saying, you know, maybe there's a situation where we can find an offensive
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coach, specifically because I want to go offense, you know what, I
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mean, to replace this guy, because I'm not okay with just being okay
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the same way that we just saw Doc Rivers handled in Philadelphia. You know
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it looks crazy, but listen, man, sometimes it just seems like you
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might you might hit a ceiling. You got to graduate, Rob, You
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hard done that at the end of the season. You got to you gotta
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graduate fandom, you know, and you gotta graduate as an organization too.
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And that's what we've been doing. You know, as you start with seven
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years ago, coming in nine to seven, turning that team around, taking
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him to the playoffs, you get your franchise quarterback, go through the growing
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pains in year one, and then it's been pretty much, you know,
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solid until the playoffs every year after that with dominant fashion. But as as
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you turned this, I think society has changed just hyper sensitive. There's no
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patience anywhere. Doug Peterson won the Super Bowl with the Eagles and got fired
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the next year. Rob. I mean, this is a serious game of
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you know, what have you done for me lately? And and that's you
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know, everybody knows that at this point. I think, you know the
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I don't. I think Sean mcdermot's doing a good job. I think he
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you know, it's he's not just in the in the driver's seat, right
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now because oh wow, we're running regular season game. How could we ever
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go with somebody else. I think the organization truly believes he's our best fit,
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you know, as head coach. And I'll believe that right now and
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probably until I'm on my last one. Rob, I'm on my last one.
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I'll give it to you there if it If the same thing happens this
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year, I think my tune changes, and you know, it's time to
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get after it, like it's time to time to move on, time to
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change it up. You only got Josh Allen for so long. And that's
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that right now. That's my key to the super Bowl is Josh Allen.
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And until you know, if we waste him and do this every year,
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it's gonna be something we can never forgive for So I think I'm up to
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one more. I don't think he's a made man. But you know,
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with with the patients in society right now, it's you know, as as
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they would kind of say like, yeah, I'll take thirteen and four and
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I have a coaching change. But you do it again. People are kind
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of murmuring about it. Now you do it again, Rob, It's gonna
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be a whole different story. I mean, the whole mafia itself, I
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think will revolt and get close to our side then, you know shows,
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yeah, man, I mean it'll be interesting because you know, like how
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the Morning Show started, you know, was just like they were talking about
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when they actually got to the topic. This morning was just about how like
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you know, you know, how much is like one is good not good
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enough it you know, And Jeremy was great, and he's a you know,
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I love listening to Jeremy White, you know, and he was great
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with his you know, rebuttals, and one of his main rebuttals was like,
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well then if it's not going to be Sean, then who is it?
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You know, and what's the name? And and kind of you know,
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Joe was trying to get along, you know, to the to the
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point that we've already made, you know, last season was that like it
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doesn't matter when you have a revolving door at offensive coordinator, it always is
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going to put you at a disadvantage to a certain extent because every year the
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continuity is not there. And that's that's good or bad. If Josh Allen
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is an MVP candidate and he is tearing it up and he is you know,
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lighting the league on fire. Then they're going to give credit as well
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to the offensive coordinator, just like they did with Dable, and eventually Dorsey
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leaves and he gets his own head coaching job, or the inverse is that
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if he's shitty, then eventually is gonna get fired because we're not gonna want
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to have, you know, a crappy offense, and we're not gonna want
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to see him go out and score ten points in the playoffs like they did
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against Cincinnati this past year. So eventually we'll be calling for changes regardless.
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It doesn't really matter whether it's positive or negative of the result. Because of
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the fact that we're going to get to the same place, you're always going
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to be churning over these guys. And I just look at it in the
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situation where let's get some continuity. Let's make sure that we have something on
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the offense side of the football where we always know what's going to happen.
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Josh Allen is our quarterback seventeens leading the offense, and then we have the
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Andy Reid to the Patrick Mahomes, we have that same type of you know
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what I mean, Tom Moore to you know, Peyton Manning, and Indy
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we have we have that type of continuity where everything is kind of staying the
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same, you know what I mean, Like everything is staying in the same
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in respects to the play caller and the scheme and the different types of variations
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of the offense. We can add wrinkles and different things like that. Like
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I have no idea right now if Ken Dorsey knows what the hell he's doing
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now we're gonna find out. We've already talked about that. There's gonna be
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nowhere to hide for him war McDermott this year, But like I don't know,
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and how you hurt me when I ended that call. I don't know
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if if that game against Kansas City was the best chance, thirteen seconds might
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have been the best chance. I started an entire episode off one time talking
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about Dan Marino and talking about how everybody thought after his second year in the
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league he was going back to the super Bowl and he was so primed because
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of such an ultra talent that he was. And Aaron Rodgers has got one
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ring even to this point, like you just never know, and I just
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I just want to I don't want to count these seasons. It just keep
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sweeping them under the rug where it's like, oh yeah, we got really
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close. But you know what I mean, it's okay, we'll get him
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next year. I just don't know how often that's gonna fly, man,
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I really don't. And I think that's kind of what's flying currently. But
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I don't think we're far away from the change up, rob And that's you
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know what I was My point earlier was I think we're getting close to a
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changeup. If it does happen again, I don't. I mean, I
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definitely don't remember. I don't know how you kind of, you know,
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as a as you were a lot younger as well, back then of when
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the Bills were making the Super Bowl runs and they were the dominant team in
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the NFL, and they lose four super Bowls in a row. Obviously,
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firing Martin Levy was not, you know, on top of people's priority list
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here. But what was the end of the by the end they were you
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know I heard, you know the right, yeah, by the end.
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So I mean, obviously this team hasn't gone to four super Bowls. You
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know, this current team hasn't gone to four super Bowls or anything like that.
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But you know, they've been super Bowl caliber in the years and haven't
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been able to at least touch it. You know, I think it'd be
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a little different if we went to the super Bowl and lost. Um,
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I think that would kind of buy him a couple more years of Yes,
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I heard that today. They were talking about, you know, like they
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were trying to they were talking about on showing the bulldog, like they acknowledged
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the fact that, you know, the Morning Show had talked about this topic
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this morning, and they were talking in saying like basically, you know,
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they were talking about our show, the Tire Show on the Morning Show,
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We're for a nice little segment, and like one of their things was that,
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like, you know, this is about super Bowl or bus right,
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And I'm like, I, what have I always said? DT? What
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have I always said? Nicol City Crew Bills Boffi up always said, get
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be the AFC representative and I will let the chips fall if we go to
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over five. I will show up at the barbershop every week every other week
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with my kings, will get our hair cut and I'll get my and I'll
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get ripped. And oh man, your boy, I love lose a super
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Bowl. Like that's what the Bills were when I was growing up, so
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it's nothing new for me. So if I've got to endure some more jokes
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and what are the case may be than our do or some more jokes,
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we'll be oh and five and how could you lose all five? But I
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just want to represent. I want to be in that spot. It doesn't
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matter if we went or not in respects to leading up to Super Bowl Sunday.
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I want the Bills to be represented in the American Football Conference in the
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Super Bowl. I'll let I'm okay with it, and so I'm definitely will
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get a huge pass for me if he's able to get us to that,
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to that to the actual level, not in a situation where I'm calling for
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this guy's head just for no reason. I think that he changes his stripes
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in the playoffs and it is a major problem for me. Joe Dibias this
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morning said that he has no reason right now to be mad at McDermott.
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I do, like I think that we missed out in a Super Bowl opportunity
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a couple of years ago, and I still think that he's hurting us the
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same way that he sucked the life out of his team when he kept punting
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against the Bengals right before half. We're down, we have a chance to
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tie the game. Who knows what's going to happen after that if you if
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you don't punt, and you you punt again. And it's just like,
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man, you are sucking the life out of your team, just like you
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did against Kansas City when you kept kicking all those field goals. Man,
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like you're you're you are negatively impacting your own team. It's a fine line
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of real verse fake diamonds here, Rob. You know, the real diamonds.
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The fake diamonds look just as good as real ones. Yes, you
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know, you can't you can't tell until the until the pressure starts, right,
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yeah, And the pressure starts, you know, in the playoffs and
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that and consistently, you know, even even the Josh Allen Sugar High game
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and against Houston. It just seems like every matchup they've lost in the playoffs
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has been some sort of coaching blunder, you know. And that's the issue
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we're talking about here, Rob, you know, And that's what you keep
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keep going in in on, is the fact that the coaching blunders are You
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could probably get most of Bill's Mafia and these guys on gr to somewhat agree
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that these three losses came down to coaching at one point. Even the losses
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during the regular seasons on these runs, you know, have come down to
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something similar to that. The Vikings game this year was was kind of all
22:37
over the place, and you know, and some other things happen. Right
22:41
you're gonna lose games in the NFL whatever, but right when the when the
22:45
pressures on, are you a real diamond or a fake diamond? And so
22:48
far he's been crushed every time the pressure gets to him, and it's gotta
22:52
you know, it's got to change. You gotta make yourself a little harder
22:55
going in. But I don't think society or MAFI is going to give you
23:00
many more chances route this is. And we're not you know again, and
23:04
I know our listeners don't need us to reiterate this, but we're not calling
23:08
for him yet. But we have to be open to the fact that it's
23:12
not good enough currently. So you know, don't be accepting with what we've
23:18
had. You got to take it the next level, take it the step
23:19
up. Will His demeanor hasn't shown us that he will do that. That's
23:23
why we're concerned here on Nickel City Crew. The demeanor is the demeanor,
23:29
you know, stick to the process, team conservative, this is how we
23:33
do it in and eat and now, and then you go get your ass
23:36
kicked in the playoffs and it's still kind of that body and then you win
23:38
the thirteen games. He's probably shooting himself in the foot for winning all these
23:42
regular teaple games, you know, like go go nine and seven and then
23:47
lose in the in the playoffs and you probably be a lot more safe than
23:51
you are right now being you know, thirteen and three and then thirteen and
23:53
four and losing in the playoffs. So uh, that's you know again and
23:59
again it's we're not it's calling out the situation of it's not good enough because
24:07
of you. So what are you going to do to change? Yeah?
24:10
Man, you know, and it's interesting because you know, like I again,
24:14
I respect the conversation, and I understand that there's a certain section of
24:18
Bill's Maffia and Nickels City crew that will think that we sound crazy to even
24:22
discuss the fact that he could possibly be replaced. My main thing is that
24:26
like you know, Philadelphia, you know, as a prime example, and
24:30
they tried to compare Sean McDermott to Doc Rivers, and you know, in
24:33
respects to the fact of how he's you know, he's maxed out at the
24:37
second round these last three years, and Sean mcdermot's coming up on that same
24:40
thing, and like, but he's won so many games and you heard Mike
24:44
Show even talk about how many games does he wanted the percentages of being you
24:47
know again, it's just more for me. It sounds like a clutching of
24:51
pearls now. You know. One of the main points I heard this morning
24:53
that I that I really agreed with from from Sneaky Joe was that he doesn't
24:59
believe that if we do change coaches down the road to it off it's a
25:02
coach that the drop off will be that dramatic because of seventeen. I totally
25:07
agree. I know that you do as well, and I don't even have
25:10
to speak for you, but I know you do because of the fact of
25:11
how much we have faith in Josh Allen, and I just I'm in a
25:15
situation where I want everything to be on the table, and if it comes
25:21
to a situation where he is going to consistently change his stripes in the biggest
25:26
moments. Then that is a character flaw period. Now you may not want
25:30
to agree with it. You may want to, you know, speak to
25:33
his regular season and success. You may want to speak to the fact that
25:36
he's changed, you know, on his aggressiveness and different things like that during
25:38
the regular season throughout his tenure, and he's gotten better and better. And
25:42
we we've acknowledged that DT we said that we've given him as flowers that he's
25:45
gotten better on that. But it really is the diamonds part that you're talking
25:49
about, Like when the pressure is the greatest, I need you to do
25:55
what you're asking your team to do. I need you to exemplify those same
25:59
things. I need you to have those same traits in your coaching style.
26:02
Um. You know, listen, the field goals were the field goals,
26:04
and that was very frustrating to watch that game against Kansas City because you knew
26:10
that we had to keep up with Patrick Mahomes. So every time you kick
26:12
a field goal, even though you thought after the game he talks about the
26:17
field goals and trying to give a boost to the team, you're you're zapping
26:19
the energy, you're taking the energy from your own team. So whatever you
26:22
even thought that you were doing positive is having a negative effect on the team.
26:26
Because you know what I thought the other day, DT, And I
26:30
want you to I want you to think about this and two on this.
26:33
When when When when Stefan Diggs got his hands over his head and he's looking
26:37
at the confetti, It wasn't a close game. That game was bow was
26:41
a blowout by the end. He was he had his hands on his head.
26:45
In my opinion, this is my humble opinion, he had his hands
26:48
on his head because he was looking at the field and seeing all of the
26:52
meat that was on the bone, DT, all of the plays that were
26:55
missed out on on that field that they left out there, that like,
26:57
man, if my coach, if our coach, would have had our back
27:00
well and this third down, this fourth down, that like we were inside
27:04
the ten a few times in kick field goals, DT, keep it real
27:07
now, like Nicol City crew, We're not gonna We're not gonna supercoat it.
27:11
He kicked field goals inside the fifteen, inside the ten multiple times that
27:15
game. What kind of message is that sending to your team? What kind
27:18
of message is that this is the biggest game, This is the you know,
27:22
this is the AFC Championship right the door step right share too. We're
27:26
looking at, you know, players like Stefon Diggs who have always been boisterous,
27:32
but this year in particular, you're seeing visible frustration from him, you
27:37
know, on a regular basis. And you know, not that he wasn't
27:40
a competitor, didn't have that frustration in the previous years when they were losing
27:42
those games, but visual frustration from him this year because they didn't do it
27:47
again. You know, So what four years in a row happens? Is
27:51
it just Stefon Diggs? Is other players? Is it Josh Allen himself?
27:53
Like does this start you know, chain reaction? And that's you know,
27:56
then you lose the whole team at that point and then you're really screwed.
28:00
Right, So the point is, I don't think, you know, defensive
28:04
coaches can win a Super Bowl. It's happened, you know, but the
28:07
way of the league obviously he's going offensive. And you look at the best
28:11
team in the Kansas City Chiefs. Who sits next to Pat Mahomes on the
28:17
bench after a series, right, Andy Reid? He's right, Andy Reid,
28:19
He's talking the next sequence, getting making sure, it's absolutely perfect.
28:23
On the offensive side, they go into the Super Bowl, play the best
28:26
defense, it's the eighty five Bears, right, and the Eagles can't.
28:30
The Eagles don't even don't touch a sack, and it's what's the final score,
28:36
thirty eight forty two the Super Bowl? Yeah yeah, thirty five up
28:41
like that? Yeah, yeah, So we look. You know, I'm
28:44
not saying a defensive coach can't win it, but the teams that have won
28:48
it most previously with franchise quarterbacks such as Josh Owen coaches sitting next to him
28:53
after every series, offense, offense, offense, defensive matters. But it
28:59
sounds like offense when's championships. So you gotta think of that too if we
29:03
see another similar situation issue. Yeah, man, I mean, it's just
29:08
such an interesting topic, you know, and it's something that it percolates throughout
29:12
the fan base because I know that I'm not the only person that feels this
29:15
way. I know you're not as well. I know there are other members
29:18
of Nicols City Kreue Bill's mafia who feel this way in respects to just I
29:22
mean literally, the caller after me DT was like, you know, praising
29:26
my call for the fact that I was, you know, echoing what he
29:29
felt, and like you know and told me, you know, told show
29:32
up with the Bulldog yesterday that I was hitting on the head of some of
29:34
the you know, the actual the points of it. And like my crux
29:38
of my argument was that I want to look at him. I don't want
29:41
to keep looking for other reasons to wonder why we're not getting over the hump.
29:45
I want to look at him. I want to examine him. I
29:48
want to examine some of the decisions that he's making because it makes me seem
29:52
like we're at a disadvantage when it comes to the biggest games. Because regardless
29:56
of whatever you want to say, again, we've already talked about it at
30:00
nauseum. Thirteen seconds was a communication breakdown of epic proportions and whether you want
30:06
to lay it all at Sean McDermott or you don't. He runs the ship,
30:10
so I don't care whatever Leslie Frasier was calling on first and second down
30:15
or whatever. First you know, the first two plays of that drive after
30:18
the kick, so people are hung up on the kick, and we talked
30:22
about that three decisions thirteen seconds. We've talked about all of it. The
30:25
kick would have been nice, you would have drained some more time off the
30:27
clock. Irregardless of not squibbing it, you still had an opportunity with the
30:32
game. Teams do not lose the game up with thirteen seconds to go and
30:37
they're up. They don't lose that game. So there's something that's wrong with
30:41
the actual, you know, execution of the team. And I just want
30:45
him to take the bull by the horns. I want him to take the
30:48
buffalo by the horns, so to speak. I want him to be more
30:52
assertive. So that's why I had never got mad at Leslie Frasier because he's
30:56
his boss, and I've always talked about that. We've always talked about that
30:59
DTD is the boss. So if there was something that looked wrong on those
31:02
plays, then make an adjustment because I don't want to be embarrassed. When
31:06
Patrick Mahoons yells on National TV to Travis Kelsey to do it, do it,
31:10
do it because he sees what everybody else sees that we're seven eight yards
31:12
off the same thing with the Cincinnati game, same thing DT. So like,
31:18
I don't care, I'm not letting. I'm not gonna just I'm not
31:21
gonna kick Leslie Fraser's ass on the way out the door. And we've already
31:25
talked about that with that episode that was dedicated to him, the DT where
31:27
I'm not gonna let everybody just blasphemy with this guy and say it was all
31:30
his fault and different things like that. Listen, who's his boss, who's
31:34
in control of every single play call, who hears every single play called offense
31:38
and defense? It is the head coach. Step up, say something,
31:42
do something to help affect your team in a positive way, because energy is
31:47
real, and I feel like he's zapped the energy from this team year after
31:51
year after years since Sugar, Hi Josh, Because even you heard me on
31:55
the call DT, I was not mad after Houston. It was crappy,
31:57
you know. I thought we had an opportunity with that game. Obviously,
32:00
up sixteen nothing and we're all at a party, We're having a great time,
32:04
and he's, you know, ladling back to Dawson Knox. Obviously he
32:07
was, you know, going through some shit, eating all those runts and
32:09
skittles. I get it, but we all still felt like we were going
32:14
up. We still felt like we were going up. I feel like we've
32:15
plateaued. Man, I feel like we're plat we've plateaued, and plateauing here
32:21
is not good enough, not without until a rings on your finger, it's
32:28
not good enough. And so I'll ask you this, Rob, Do you
32:30
think Doc Rivers was surprised when he got fired? No? Of course not.
32:35
No. Stephen Nay Smith said the night before, they just cost Doc
32:37
Rivers the job. He said, James Arden just cost him his job.
32:42
And do you think he was surprised? No. Do you think Doug Peterson
32:44
even after that Super Bowl? Do you think he was surprised after the year
32:46
they had the next year and he got kimned. No, No, because
32:51
the mismanagement of Carson Wentz and how everything went to I mean, Sean McDermott's
32:54
unless he's literally living under a rock and not and only the blinders are on
32:59
the organization. He looks at nothing else. He's got to know it will
33:04
eventually happen to him if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, you know.
33:07
So this is something that like also for his you know, mentality, he
33:12
probably you know, it be tough to go get a head coaching job right
33:15
out of this. He'd be back to a coordinator role again, and you
33:20
got to know that I think person I mean, I mean he might get
33:22
picked up, but you know it doesn't. I mean, he is on
33:24
the defensive side of the ball. I'm not listening. I'm not. This
33:28
is not a person person got He's got to know that it's not good enough.
33:35
This is a results based business. So anytime I hear fans talking about
33:38
you know, everything that that Jeremy White said this morning was about patience and
33:43
you're really just impatient. And I just want to put my hand up in
33:46
the corner of the room as a season ticket holder, as somebody who has
33:51
survived the drought, just like you and so many other Bills Mafia fans and
33:54
Nickel City crew. We've all been here together as Bills Mafia. I'd like
33:58
to put my hand up and say, hell, yes, I am inpatient.
34:00
Like I'm yes, I'm in patient. Like I don't know, I
34:02
don't know any other way to sugarcoat it. I'm not. I don't feel
34:06
bad for it. I don't think that that That's the actual crux of the
34:09
actual episode. From a couple of weeks ago, DT when I told everyone
34:14
to grow up like you just talked about like I want everybody to be okay
34:17
with it. Somebody on Twitter said that, you know, yesterday they said,
34:21
like, you knowing Bill's fans are confusing, you know, being happy
34:23
with their team actually being good every year with you know, also not being
34:28
okay with just being okay and like I told them to, you know,
34:30
preach like you're you're telling the truth. Like that is a true statement.
34:35
We've talked about it all the time. I am very appreciative that he is
34:38
professional. I want to win a Super Bowl. I want to parade.
34:44
I want to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl and I'll let the chips
34:46
fall. I wonder if he can get us there DT And it's I think
34:52
it's okay to ask those questions, especially after the consistency to me that I
34:58
see that he is. He shrivels when when the when the lights are brightest.
35:02
Man, I just don't know. I don't know any other way,
35:05
like when I heard on the radio, Man, I don't know any other
35:07
way to like, I just I just shake my head. He anybody who
35:09
doesn't think that he has. He has changed the stripes throughout the playoffs when
35:13
he coaches, in the decisions he makes. I just don't think you're making
35:15
you know, you're paying much attention. I really don't think you're paying attention.
35:19
I agree to your point. Screw being patient here. I mean I
35:22
didn't have as much experience in the drought as you know, as you would
35:25
say and some of some of the other people I know, but you know,
35:30
yet we were patient. We've been patient. This is our deal now.
35:32
And I'm not saying just fire them and you'll you'll be still be good
35:36
and move on. As the Eagles dropped Doug Peterson, they flip back and
35:38
they're in the super Bowl last year with you know, with the new coach.
35:42
That's not guaranteed to happen either, but it seems, you know,
35:45
good players and good teams. I think if Andrew Reid retired, you know,
35:50
moms and them would still be uh absolutely, they'd be super Bowl contenders.
35:55
They would definitely be super Bowl contenders. Because the point I'm saying,
36:00
you know, it's the coach, but at the at the reverse end of
36:04
that, it's it there can be changed. We don't have to be patient
36:07
because things happen for other teams that aren't patient at all. You know,
36:12
they had the Indianapolis Colts had Peyton Manning and then the next year draft at
36:16
Andrew Bluck, Like, look at the Spurs, Look at the Spurs.
36:20
They go through ten years of no player. You know, I think it's
36:22
been seven years, no playoffs, ten years since they won a playoff series.
36:27
They go from from the Admiral David Robinson, they go right to Tim
36:30
Duncan, and now they get you know when Banyana and like everything is fine,
36:35
like why did that guy? Why did that? Executives scream so much
36:37
because you think about all the money that they're getting ready to make them,
36:39
about the print money down there at San Antonio, because you know, talents
36:43
help. I agree, screw the patients and you know, back to our
36:46
main point of no, there's no place to hide anymore, especially now it's
36:50
all your d it's all you one more year, if it's another loss,
36:53
if it's another similar situation, because this team is going to the playoffs,
36:57
rob I mean, no matter even this, this, this schedules, top
37:00
everything, whatever, barring seventeen not getting hurt, this team's going to the
37:05
playoffs. So what, I don't care how many games if we go,
37:08
you know, if we have a wildcard and sneak in with eight losses whatever,
37:14
we were going to the playoffs. We have the opportunity to win a
37:15
Super Bowl. How are you going to change that? And there's no place
37:19
to hide, and we keep going back to that. Keep screw patients.
37:22
Do it now? What have you done for me lately? It now?
37:25
I mean this professional sports. I think it is a little bit fair these
37:29
guys. You know, he's compensated quite well, that the coaching staff's compensated
37:32
quite well. They're paid millions of dollars. This is their profession, and
37:36
I just want to be okay with questioning if we can do better. It's
37:38
not about necessarily having a name. I don't have a offensive course, you
37:43
know, I don't even know who's going to be available. So like having
37:45
a name right available for you right now, it's not it's not quite the
37:49
point. My point is that I think the continuity should come from the offensive
37:52
side of the football. In this day and age, with the way that
37:55
the league is run, with the way that the rules are set up to
37:59
be advantageous for offense, I think that it's a situation where you would love
38:02
to have an offensive coach that's with your quarterback and they're kind of just paired
38:07
and they're married at the hip Allah Reid and Mahomes. They're just gonna be
38:10
together and they're gonna grow together, and Sirianni and and Hurts are going to
38:15
grow together, and you know what I mean. And it's just a situation
38:19
where it just makes your makes the room better because you don't have to worry
38:22
about cycling in and out coaches. And I would much rather find a defensive
38:27
coordinator than I would have to find an offensive coordinator all because now it's a
38:30
new offense and some guys have new terminology and some guys have different types of
38:35
things that you know that they're looking for, and just you'd never know what
38:38
it's going to be like. And again we're in the midst of that with
38:40
Ken Dorsey. We're hoping that he's going to work out. We don't know.
38:44
You've last year had mixed reviews. Obviously, the stats say that he's
38:47
he was great, you know what I mean. But listen, you have
38:50
no idea until you get a chance to see exactly what's going on. So
38:53
I'll be watching. I think it's something that that everybody and doing. I
38:59
just think it's a that everybody should be paying attention to. It's not about
39:00
firing your coach. It's about being okay with saying that, you know,
39:05
hey, I mean, maybe we can get better. And I'm one hundred
39:09
percent fine with McDermott being the guy if he can make the change and we
39:14
can get over the hump and do this thing. I'm one hundred percent cool
39:16
with Sean McDermott in the face of this. You don't, I have one
39:20
hundred percent supported him, so I supported the whole deal. I'm cool with
39:22
him being the face of a super Bowl winning team and going down in the
39:27
history books. Is our guy, our Marvel legal problem, I'm all about
39:30
that. He's got the mojo for me to be cool with that. But
39:34
you know he has it, so it's it's and it'll be a good story
39:37
of change and growth. And if you start of the tire, I got
39:42
a little better. I got a little better, and now we kind of
39:44
we finally pulled through because you see it a little bit. You know,
39:46
he's going for a little more. That's right, but when it matters,
39:51
it hasn't changed yet. So that's the next step he's got to take.
39:53
And and I'm one hundred percent comfortable and cool with him be in the face
39:58
of this change in the deal. Like I don't I don't want him to
40:01
leave. I don't need him to leave, but we're saying he's you know,
40:05
it's it's not good enough if it continues this and he shouldn't be a
40:07
made man and a coach forever just because he got us out of the drought,
40:10
and want of us would be it would be comparing him to the past.
40:15
And we already talked about we need to stop doing that. We can
40:17
probably damned if if Josh Allen goes down as another Philip Rivers in this league,
40:22
I'll be damned. He's way too good for that. Come on,
40:25
yeah, that would be way that would be horrible. I mean, that
40:28
would be horrible, another damn Marino, another you know, to be another
40:31
Rivers, you know, like that would be horrible. Another Jim Kelly.
40:35
Unfortunately, that would be horrible. Now obviously, you know again, you
40:37
know, I can't speak on us both sides of my move. I'm looking
40:40
for success. I'm looking to be in the super Bowl. I want to
40:44
represent that, you know, the conference in the super Bowl. I really
40:46
do. I will let the chips fall you know after that and if McDermott
40:50
takes us to the Promised Land and takes us to the super Bowl, I
40:52
will be okay. If we lose it, we go to OZ and five,
40:54
I won't call for his job because I will. I will. I
40:58
will never forget that Sunday as an adult. It'll be my first time.
41:00
You know, I was five to six, seven and eight for the Super
41:02
Bowl run. I am jealous of the older Bills Mafia fans that were able
41:07
to experience that as adults, because I just can't imagine what it would have
41:09
been like to watch those guys behind me. As you see all my posters
41:13
like Dermot Thomas is one of my favorite Bills and you know Bruce Smith and
41:16
I like those are my guy like those are like they impression. They've left
41:21
such an impression on me as a Bills fan like that. I would have
41:23
loved to been able to experience those games as an adult. I wasn't.
41:27
I I was a kid. I've got vague memories. I cried, you
41:30
know, super Bowl twenty five, they had super Bowl twenty six we kind
41:32
of got blown out a little bit. Well, twenty seven we definitely got
41:36
blown out. I cried. And Super Bowl twenty eight, we were up
41:37
at halftime and I thought that we were gonna win, so I cried.
41:40
Man, Like, there was this, there was no escape from it.
41:43
So like it's a situation where I would love to be able to experience that.
41:46
And if Sean McDermott takes us there, absolutely I'll be in his corner.
41:50
It's just the fact that I just think that he has He's changed the
41:53
stripes, and I now expect him to coach scare in the games. I
42:00
was not thinking they were gonna lose. I remember, I'll never forget that
42:04
Cincinnati game. You and I drive into that game playoff game, and you
42:06
were full of energy and you were full of bravado, and I remember I
42:09
was more quiet, and I was like, more like, I am now
42:13
starting to expect him to um, to be scared, to be just to
42:16
be quite frank, man, I'm expecting him in big games to punt the
42:20
ball. I'm expecting him to do some of the things he did that day,
42:22
the same way he did against Kansas City the year before, in Kansas
42:25
City the year before that, and I'm just expecting him just to kind of
42:30
come up small. I really I'm I'm expecting it, and that's not I
42:34
don't I don't like feeling that way about my coach, especially not with this
42:37
type of team, especially not with the quarterback that we have, especially now
42:42
let the chips small baby Chip fall. I think that's a fair assessment.
42:45
I think you said that great. I think you said that great. You
42:49
don't expect you don't expect it, and that's that's not good though, Like
42:53
that's not the guy that you were supposed to be keeping up for. Like
42:55
Bill's my field. You know, half of the half of them, you
42:59
know, and over half of them are ready to fight you over mcdarmant.
43:01
And I do understand the whole you know, professionalism. I get it,
43:05
and we've talked about it at DAWs and when we get it and we respect
43:07
it. And I do think that he has a nice sense of the players.
43:12
Sometimes the voice starts don't want want want want wap, and it comes
43:15
the peanut teacher and it want want want want wah wah wah, And sometimes
43:20
the players need a new voice. It happens in the NBA all of the
43:23
time. It happens in hockey wait even more than the NBA, which changes
43:27
out coaches like laundry. I mean, the NBA changes out coaches fairly quickly,
43:30
and you saw that with Doc Rivers and Mike Wootenholzer down there in Milwaukee
43:35
and all these coaches getting fired. At Mattie Williams out West and he's got
43:37
Kevin Durand and Booker and he's fired because listen, man, we've got these
43:42
big time talents. A new owner comes in and he's like, no,
43:45
not good enough, siry man, I'll find somebody else that I want.
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But the Vegas nobody to. The Vegas Nights are in their third UH conference
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championship, yes, yes, and in four years with their third different coach
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cover ship. Yeah I know, I know, yes, the West the
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conference finals. Yes, you're absolutely right. Like it just happens in in
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pro sports way more often. I think that the NFL is more of an
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anomaly where it doesn't happen as much. Obviously, we've got Black Monday where
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all the coaches get fired after the season, but you know those are for
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the bad teams. It rarely happens with a good team. And I just
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wanted to be a situation where we're not scared that, hey, we got
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a good team, but maybe this is not enough, and I want us
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to be able to explore that. That's all DT. How do I mean
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you can crucify me? Man? Everybody, I'm with him. I'm with
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him with the Mafia. You know, we we on the Mafia references.
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You know, Sean McDermott's a nice, nice foot shouldier for us right now.
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But when you when you when are you're robbing us the bank? Baby,
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when you're robbing us the bank, you know, collect collect my money
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from all the corner stores and whatever. But when it when are you stepping
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up? When you when you're when you're giving us the big the big scores
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like Rayley oder Man and Good Fellas. He said you did it, you
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did it? Yeah? Yeah, when they took the when they took the
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the airplane heist. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, man,
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I'm just I'm waiting for it. We'll see if it ever comes DT,
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Man, I really appreciate you, man. It just made me feel good
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again for Nickel City crew. These are conversations that you and I have already
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had again in season two. You guys can fact check us and check us
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out season two. Season one really even goes back to on some of the
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mcdermock talk. We have never called for his job. Even after thirteen seconds,
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we did not call for his job. And that was the toughest part
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and toughest time in my Bill's life, was thirteen seconds. And how much
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of a gut bunts that was. We didn't call for his job. We
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wanted everybody to be on high alert to notice a tendency. And I think
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that that tendency is is still prevalent. I think that it is still a
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part of his nature. And I just I think that it is okay to
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look at it. That's all. I just think it's okay to look at
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it. And I just I thought it was really cool. DT. We
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sparked a show yesterday, this morning and this afternoon on WGR. I thought
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I thought that was pretty cool that the topic kind of lasted that long.
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I thought it was cool. Oh yeah, baby, Ron, have you
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ever heard about us? Get to know it? I like it? Yeah,
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man, I like it a lot. DT. As always been,
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These were my bills thoughts set out loud. Please spread love not hate.
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Hit him with a god bills tonight, DT, Man, We'll come back,
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man. I know we're getting ready for you know, Mini camp just
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uh finished up with rookie Mini Camp and then we've got mini camp for the
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rest of the players. Man, ok Hill out in Rochester right now,
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everybody's golfing and everybody's checking out John rom and all those guys out there,
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and Rory and his wife is from Rochester. So everybody's hanging out and ok
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kill this weekend. Man, are you heading out there? Man? What's
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you go? What you going do? Dt um tbd, TBD for it's
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pretty cool. It's kind of cool. That's cool. Um and playing one
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hundred plus holes of golf last week and okay, so I'm I might be
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taking a little, just a little get right break this weekend, but you
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never know, you know, Enterprise Enterprise being a big sponsor there, there's
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a few tickets laying around, so it depends depends. But you see right
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now, I went, I went ten years ago, I went ten years
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Okay, it was great, it was great, you know, and um,
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you know, I'd like to get dot there, but it's well,
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we'll see. I'll definitely be watching for sure. Yeah, great golf course,
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and I know that all the players love it and talk about how much
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of a great golf course. It is so good luck to those competitors out
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there this weekend. And and you know obviously they'll bring some good business to
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the Rochester area. Uh they're O kill so it would go bills DT well
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and everybody here. We'll keep we'll keep them coming, man. I mean
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we just we just starting shows and then bringing up topics for people to chew
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on, and that's all that. Yeah. Yeah, And again we're not
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calling for anybody's job. You don't not on trial. Enough go bills,
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Go bills, man, I like it a lot, man, Go bills.