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S5 E16 - How Did One Man Burn a City for Years_ The Thomas Sweatt Case🔥 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 4: Tonight we're going to be discussing the case of Thomas Sweat,
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  Speaker 4: a serial arsonist whose love language is setting fires. To Holmes,
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  Speaker 4: He's been called many things, a sociopath, a pyrophiliac, and
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  Speaker 3: All the Ohio roommates are here.
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  Speaker 2: I know, right, all right? And what are you drinking tonight, babes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, tonight, I am drinking my current drink obsession, which
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  Speaker 4: is a vodka tonic with homemade strawberry chili shrub.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: It's like you.
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  Speaker 4: Cook straw like a strawberry puree with chili peppers and
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  Speaker 4: balsamic vinegar and sugar.
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  Speaker 3: Why sugar there? But yeah, it's just like this interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just one kind of shrub.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just generally ask to have vinegar and
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  Speaker 4: sugar probably, but and it's like a concentrate, so you
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  Speaker 4: just put a little bit in the bottom of something else.
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  Speaker 3: But it's Uh, we had a really good strawberry crop
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  Speaker 3: this year up here.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, we had like too many to use, so I
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  Speaker 4: had to get a little creative with it.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't she look amazing? Yes, everybody's cap how amazing.
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  Speaker 3: There's a reason for this madness.
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  Speaker 2: There always is. Yeah. No, that sounds delicious. We whack
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  Speaker 2: at hot. Oh boy, I don't know about that compliment.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh oh, things are gonna get weird to know. Hi,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just getting so for me, there's no wine for
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  Speaker 2: me tonight. I know it's true crime and wine time,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm still in the process of going through my
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  Speaker 2: astral tequila and mango margarita mix. So that's what I'm
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  Speaker 2: drinking because I don't really drink near as much. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: seems something I do. I'm not that young anymore. Where
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  Speaker 2: you know a bottle would be gone in a day. No,
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  Speaker 2: it takes it takes time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it's no wine in crime time.
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  Speaker 2: No, wine in crime time. But it is a very strong,
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  Speaker 2: very strong mangarita, so you'll still have a good show,
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  Speaker 2: I promised. Hi, Teresia, welcome, Welcome everybody that's coming into
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  Speaker 2: the chat. So happy to see you guys tonight. Love
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  Speaker 2: this all right? So do you want to kick which
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  Speaker 2: you have for us?
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  Speaker 3: Let's going to do it. So when was the last
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  Speaker 3: time you had a crush on someone?
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  Speaker 2: Literally thirty minutes ago when I saw you pop up
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  Speaker 2: in here.
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  Speaker 3: So then, well there's a visual gag here. Okay, because
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  Speaker 3: it's supposed to be Karen's defense team. But I'll take
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  Speaker 3: it if. I mean, I don't know how I'm I'm obsessed.
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  Speaker 2: I got crushes on the defense team. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: all of them, including Eliza. Yes, you two, babe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah No, they're all hard, bad, they're all hot in
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  Speaker 3: their way.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yes, but so remember the excitement when you see
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  Speaker 4: your crush. You get like a glittering feeling that maybe
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  Speaker 4: you hope that you.
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  Speaker 3: Might see them sometime soon.
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  Speaker 4: So what if you could make that sometimes soon happen
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  Speaker 4: on your terms in a really creepy way.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, But before we talk about the man and
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  Speaker 2: his motives, what's.
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  Speaker 3: Set the scene?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, all right, take us down tonight.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to take a little trip to the nation's capital, Washington,
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  Speaker 3: DC and the surrounding area.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's this way, this way, I think so,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know which way. Yeah, I mess it up
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  Speaker 2: every time.
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  Speaker 3: I messed it up every time too. So George W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush was president.
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  Speaker 4: Eminem's Lose Yourself was at the top of the charts.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe just maybe you're on your way to go see
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  Speaker 4: how to lose a guy in ten days.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, folks. It's early two thousand and three and
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  Speaker 3: things are about to get hot in.
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  Speaker 2: Her, hot in her this is the fire. We're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to take our clothes off. I don't think it's second
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  Speaker 2: to show.
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  Speaker 3: The second show I've worked Nelly into that is for the.
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  Speaker 2: Un It is Hello, cavvy, Hello, welcome, every bost just
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  Speaker 2: come it in. So happy to see you, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you guys. So in the spring of two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 2: two fire officials from neighboring counties in DC and Maryland
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  Speaker 2: got to chatting at a promotional exam, as it often goes,
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  Speaker 2: they started talking shop what case are you working on?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't until that unplanned meeting that they realized they
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  Speaker 2: shared a common problem, multiple multiple suspicious fires with similar
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  Speaker 2: evidence and black thereof, they made plans to meet up
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  Speaker 2: and share information, and they had no idea what they
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  Speaker 2: were about to discover. So along the county border, occupied
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  Speaker 2: single family homes were being set a flame the early
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  Speaker 2: morning hours. Look at that, Oh my goodness. The fires
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  Speaker 2: were started on porches or at doors, and more fueled
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  Speaker 2: by gasoline held in a plastic container with a cloth wick.
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  Speaker 2: Four fires were definitively linked by evidence, and fifteen more
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  Speaker 2: had enough similarities to make them wonder The fires were
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  Speaker 2: happening at an astonishing rate too. Now we didn't discuss
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  Speaker 2: all of them tonight unless you want to be here
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  Speaker 2: till tomorrow, which again, I love hanging out with you all,
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  Speaker 2: but like my mom has got to sleep. Sometimes, you guys,
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  Speaker 2: let the lama sleep. But if there's ever a gap
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  Speaker 2: in our timeline, you can sadly assume that there were
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  Speaker 2: more fires. Just all the fires are happening.
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  Speaker 4: So neither fire department had the manpower to work on
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  Speaker 4: such an overwhelming case, so they asked for home. A
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  Speaker 4: task force was assembled, led by Baltimore Atface Tom Daily
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  Speaker 4: and Scott Fulkerson and eventually there were members of the
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  Speaker 4: task force from every area fire and police department in
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  Speaker 4: the like in the Vicinity. They were like the Avengers
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  Speaker 4: of the DMV area, which is DC, Maryland and Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: I purposely did not look at the slideshow for today
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  Speaker 2: before we continue on. You should know that Captain and
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  Speaker 2: the script made everything Avengers theme, which I love because
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  Speaker 2: I'm a huge Marvel nerd. And I was like, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just wait to look at the slide show in real times,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry for the outburst of laughter.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we we call Karen Reid's defense team the
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  Speaker 4: dream Team.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as I started writing this, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: these are the Avengers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love this so much, and.
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  Speaker 3: There's far more than I could photoshop ads on, just.
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  Speaker 2: So everybody, there's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so early on, all they really knew was the
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  Speaker 4: similarities in the types of houses, the time of day,
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  Speaker 4: and that all the fires were set in working class
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  Speaker 4: African American neighborhoods. And also just to remember, it's two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and three, so you know they're talking on next tells.
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  Speaker 3: The entire story, like all their communication.
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  Speaker 2: Those were the Yeah, those were the walkie talkie like ones, right,
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  Speaker 2: that were so obnoxious. They were so obnoxious. Oh it
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  Speaker 2: was something you guys. Oh, somebody's honk being at us
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  Speaker 2: for our show. Apparently they were like, yeah, next too,
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  Speaker 2: let's hear more. So they enlisted the help of seasoned
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  Speaker 2: ATF profiler ron Tunkle, who told the team that he
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  Speaker 2: thought the arsonist was an African American male, which is
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  Speaker 2: rare for artists. By the way, is about ninety percent
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  Speaker 2: of arsenist are male, and he figured a woman might
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  Speaker 2: not feel safe out in the neighborhoods late at night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's Ronald F. Tuncle. Okay, Oh where was I?
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  Speaker 2: But most I can do the aventures. Oh good, we
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  Speaker 2: finally picked a nerdy thing that Terry can get in on,
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  Speaker 2: like all of them. But most arsenists are also white
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  Speaker 2: and argued some argued some members of the task force.
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  Speaker 2: Tunkle explained violent crime tends to be ter racial in nature.
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  Speaker 2: The majority of these victims were in the African American community.
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  Speaker 2: And then another thing we talk about is an arsenist
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  Speaker 2: working in a comfort zone, and this offender had operated
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  Speaker 2: there for a long time without being noticed. He blended
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  Speaker 2: in he fit in. I don't know if that's that
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  Speaker 2: guy's voice, but that's I decided to give him tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So you're welcome. Ron tunkle.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, sunny, hey, funny.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. So, with very little to go on by July,
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  Speaker 2: they decided to try to communicate with the arson. It's
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  Speaker 2: through the press.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I love when they do this, but they feel like
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  Speaker 2: they don't do this anymore. No, there was something in it.
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  Speaker 4: No, there was something that I hate to bring it
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  Speaker 4: up because it's a real downer. But the d the
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  Speaker 4: dad that killed.
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  Speaker 2: His kids, reached one last.
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  Speaker 3: Week or two weeks ago, the three little girls.
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  Speaker 4: The statement they made to him, I felt like was
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  Speaker 4: exactly the same with this, where it was just like
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  Speaker 4: trying to be like, we're not judging you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just want to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Travis Becker right, because his wife put out an ex
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  Speaker 2: wife put out a statement too, like it's fine if
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  Speaker 2: it happened, we all understand, and it's like, do we
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  Speaker 2: do know?
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  Speaker 3: It's not fine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they've caught him yet. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: still out there. But that's a whole different Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: Tuncle suggested that Prince George's county Fire Chief Ronald Blackwell
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  Speaker 2: be the face of the task force as an older
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  Speaker 2: American father figure. Look at him, he kind of looks
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  Speaker 2: like detached from family matters. I love that guy, I
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  Speaker 2: think Mary is.
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  Speaker 4: I can see why the face of the task force, right,
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to punch that face.
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  Speaker 2: Blackwell delivered a speech written by Tuncle in an attempt
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  Speaker 2: to add a non judgmental plea for the arsonists to
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  Speaker 2: turn himself in. Tuncle later said, one of the ultimate
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  Speaker 2: motives for arson is power. The fire setting becomes a
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  Speaker 2: means to obtain power, regain lost power, demonstrate power. So
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  Speaker 2: we put that in there that he has the power
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  Speaker 2: to control how things go. I don't think they're prepared.
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, it does have some power. It didn't work.
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  Speaker 4: The arsonists did not turn themselves in, so a reward
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  Speaker 4: was offered for eleven and a half thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Not bad for two thousand free money.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we'll see where that goes. Tips did rolling,
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  Speaker 4: but none of them gave any leads. So the ATF
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  Speaker 4: Lab investigators started experimenting with how to recreate the fires.
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  Speaker 4: They found that when a wick was added to a
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  Speaker 4: container of gasoline, the gasoline itself did not ignite. The
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  Speaker 4: fumes from the gasoline fed the fire slowly, kind of
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  Speaker 4: like a gas lamp. Oh okay, before the container holding
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  Speaker 4: the gasoline could melt, the fire would ignite and a
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  Speaker 4: home sighting.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, finding Dory excited. You're here, it's kidding.
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  Speaker 4: So with with these findings, it became clear to the
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  Speaker 4: investigators that this was the work of pretty experienced arsenists,
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  Speaker 4: and that suggested that maybe the timeline they were operating
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  Speaker 4: on was off by many years, and that the arsenists
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  Speaker 4: could be responsible for many more fires and potentially more deaths.
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  Speaker 4: And learning, yeah, learning the arsenists methods also helped the
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  Speaker 4: police confirm that they were indeed responsible for the June
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  Speaker 4: death of eighty six year old lou Edna Jones.
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  Speaker 3: That you know it was previously a maybe that is all.
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  Speaker 2: Where I know? I love her well.
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  Speaker 4: This delta blow through the police as another fire connected
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  Speaker 4: to the arsenist had been set that same night and
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  Speaker 4: only about fifty minutes earlier. They also assumed that the
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  Speaker 4: arsenists followed their crimes on the news and therefore knew
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  Speaker 4: that they had killed Jones, but continued to set fires.
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  Speaker 4: So whoever was starting the fires was capable of setting
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  Speaker 4: two in quick secession, and they were not deterred by killing.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, which is not great.
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  Speaker 3: Not what you're hoping for in an arsen case.
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  Speaker 2: Is not great. That is not great. Okay, So let's
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  Speaker 2: go back a little bit to June fifth, two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and three, when lou and Edna Jones died when a
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  Speaker 2: fire consumed her dream home. Her two grandchildren, ages thirteen
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  Speaker 2: and twenty four, managed to escape by jumping out of
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  Speaker 2: a second story window. Jones was known as my Mulu.
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  Speaker 2: She'd been the matriarch of the neighborhood and that neighbor
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  Speaker 2: who knew everyone and would call you over to share
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  Speaker 2: dinner if you walk by when she was grilling. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, she's so so awesome. She'd bought the large
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  Speaker 2: white house on the corner years ago for its basement
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  Speaker 2: so her son could play with his trains without having
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  Speaker 2: to pick them up every night. Oh I love that,
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  Speaker 2: and her family had lived there for over fifty years. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is awday detrimental to the family. Her now grown
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  Speaker 2: son got the call while at work, arriving at home
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  Speaker 2: in time to watch the house burn. Police physically restraining
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  Speaker 2: him when he tried to get to the house, not
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  Speaker 2: knowing if she was inside. Unfortunately, she never escaped her
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  Speaker 2: bedroom that night. She tried, as evidenced by the burns
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  Speaker 2: on her feet, but she died of asphyxiation. Now the
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  Speaker 2: neighbors left at memorial for her years afterwards to celebrate
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  Speaker 2: Mama lu Oh gosh. Yeah, it's so sad.
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  Speaker 3: It is really sad.
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  Speaker 4: Like everything you can find about her as just every
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  Speaker 4: like the whole neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: This was the matriarch, So.
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  Speaker 4: This guy already, Yeah, get used to that feeling.
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  Speaker 3: In September of two thousand and three, investigators got a break.
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  Speaker 4: Three teenage brothers coming home around three am from a
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  Speaker 4: late night at work, found a strange man sitting on
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  Speaker 4: their front porch. When they approached him, he asked them,
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  Speaker 4: does mister Harris live here? They told him no, and
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  Speaker 4: he left, and when they told their parents what he
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  Speaker 4: had left behind.
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  Speaker 3: They called the police.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the boys had found what they called a bag
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: of gas and they had thrown it into the sewer
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: across the street.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think that's the best place to dismiss.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not the best way to handle evidence.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: But they're thir teenage kids at three am, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: trum Arriving at the house on Anacostia Avenue northeast, the
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: police fished a plastic shopping bag out of the sewer
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: containing a gasoline filled juice drug. A piece of cloth
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: was tied to the handle. The bag also contained a single.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Strand of hair mm interesting.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: The task force built a tend around the porch and
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: scoured it for any additional evidence, like, bogged it for fingerprints.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Didn't find anything.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Metro the house. I'm sorry, Well, okay.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: That's the house with I don't know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: That's not the house then okay, it's modern, Okay, it could.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: A lot of the images in this lunch so I
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: will say are either like as far back as Google
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Maps went or like for people them now it's right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: there are some pictures you can tell or them then
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: get you get ready for the Oakley sunglasses.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But boy, okay, spoilers.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. The house could have been
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: rebuilt in a lot of them.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, but sure you can kind.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Of see the footprint of the vibe hopefully so. Metro
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: ped Homicide detective Frank Melino interviewed the three teens and
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: had a composite sketch made from their memory.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Oh the boys.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: The boys were not happy with the sketch, which the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: task force referred to as mister Potato had.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: But and remember the sketch when y'all saw the thumbnail,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: gotch is not great? They all the boys had slightly
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: different memories of the encounter. It had been dark.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: They were able to firm that he was a blackmail
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and that he had salt and pepper hair, light skin
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: and no accent. But it is like, it's very normal
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: for multiple people in a situation to remember everything differently
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: because it's also subjective. So that's our sure more believable
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: than everybody remembering the exact same thing.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Jen McCabe ooh, Shild's fire come about me? Bro, Yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you guys totally just heard elbow p laugh and then
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: for the sketch. So interestingly enough, though the lab was
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: able to get DNA for root tissue on the hair,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: though they didn't really know for certain that the hair
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: belonged to their arsonist. The intact device was studied by
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the ATF lab. Well, okay, who knew exactly how the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: fires are being set. They've been close. But the wick
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't in the gasoline. It was wrapped around the handles
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: so that the plastic slowly melted to release the gasoline.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: He could start a fire and get away before it
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: became noticeable. That sounds like somebody who's been doing this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a lot. So officers began to have stakeouts with groups
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: strategically positioned in ours in its most active areas, in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the hopes of responding quickly enough to a reported fire
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to catch the culprit in the act. Another fire was
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: linked in October of two thousand and three. An agent
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: arrived just minutes after the fire started, but the perpetrator
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: had already gotten away. Another in November, this time in Alexandria, Virginia,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: an area outside of his usual range. Not only were
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: they unsure how long this fire starter had been operating,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: they were now unsure if they'd cast a wide enough net,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: because that's some distance.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: To the other side of town, it is, but they
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: have great subways there, so yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So more fires burned in the same way. But in
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: February two thousand and four, something different happened. A fire
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: was set on the porch of an apartment building. Until then,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: they had all happened in single family detached homes, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: less than two weeks later, on Valentine's Day, Sorry Terry tucrime,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Oh no, a fire was started inside of an apartment
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: building on Blair Road in Montgomery County. This fire was
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: started in the building stairwell, forcing tenants on the second
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: floor to run through the blaze or try to escape
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: through the windows. But as horrible as it was, the
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: task force got a break when the incendiary device did
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: not fully melt. There were parts of another shopping bag,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: an empty plastic drug, and an improvised wick made from
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: a scrap of black pants. That scrap was sent to
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: the lab and came back as a positive DNA match
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: for the hair found on the porch on Anacostia Avenue.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, so they're like peace and some stuff.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: They're like, okay, this was that's connected. It wasn't just
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a random hair in that bag.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So Agent Tom Daily said, it gives you a great
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: feeling for twenty four hours, but then the next day
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: it's like, what's his name?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, right, just big old mystery. As
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Buffy says, pants, it's the pants in today's name is pants.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So Later that year, during a particularly stressful week with
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: four literally pants are on fire. Yes, yes, okay, you
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: guys are the greatest.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: This is not pants off dance, but that does seem
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: very two thousand and three.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes it does. Later that year, during a particularly
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: stress a week with four fires, the police got another break.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: The black plastic shopping bag for one of the devices
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: had not fully melted and it had riding inside, made
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in China for the Cornelius shop. That is oddly specific
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: for a freaking plastic bag like okay, okay. It didn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: take long to find the Cornelius shopping bag company in Richmond, Virginia.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: The company only provided black plastic bags to two Circle
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: seven stores in the DC area, which are kind of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like seven elevens or bodegas if you don't know what
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a Circle seven is. Desperate for a lead, the task
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: force installed surveillance cameras in the two stores and got
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a bit creative. They knew that the fire starter had
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: shopped at one of two stores and that they were
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: using plastic jugs, so they came with inflammable ways to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: mark the jugs and the bags. The hand wrote alphanumeric
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: sequences on the bottom of all products sold in plastic jugs,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: since they usually left an unmelted bit behind. That's that's
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: something well to track that. It's a lot of work.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of work to track the bags. They
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: put small metal tags inside with alphanumeric codes usually used
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to tag birds. The tags were loose, so they had
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to be placed just so in the hopes they wouldn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: be noticed. I don't know how that's useful in a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: plastic bag. How are you gonna like beat a screep
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: about something in the sight of a dime in a bag?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: That's okay, dream team, Okay. If a customer purchased something
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that came in a plastic jug, whether it's juice, water, milk,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the cashier needed to use a bag from the special pile.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Then if a metal tag or plastic scrap was found
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: at a crime scene, they could use the ID numbers
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and cameras to get a glimpse of the culprit. This
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: meant every taskboard meeting involved stuffing bags while they spoke,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and agents went by the two stores daily to record
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: what tags were the first in last of the day.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That seems so tedious.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: It's very like I applaud their creativity because this, to
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: me showed how desperate they were getting.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It's like they had no leads other than these plastic bags.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And yes, so I mean.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: They're trying.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But in December of two thousand and four, they still
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: hadn't found one metal tag or a plastic scrap from
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the shoperation. But they did find another clue, and it
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: was a Marine Corps hat and a gasoline soaked pair
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: of dress pants more pants, more pants with DNA that
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: matched the other scenes. So of course it made them
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: wonder could the serial arsenists be a marine, and if
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: they were, maybe they could find a DNA match within
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: the military's database.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: For some reason. Yeah, but I don't really know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I don't understand this time gap year because that was
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: December two thousand and four. They don't go to NCIS
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: until April of two thousand and five.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Now it's the government. They work slow. We don't know that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I think they're too busy. Stuff in those bags, Oh
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: my god.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: A marine in hot pants? Ooh, you don't even know
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the picture.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Oh my, the picture.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous. He's going to make you what Oh gosh, Oh,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to change that real quick. Here
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes, but money.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: So so yeah, it took them till April of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: next year, two thousand and five. Uh for members of
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the task force, along with US Attorney Jim Trustee. Yes
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: that Jim Trustee. But we're going to keep going. Pay
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: to visit to NCIS Naval a criminal investigative service.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Now a drink napping, my microphone picks up. I'm just
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: see here's the bottle. I just want to make that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: perfectly knowing to those that are listening to us.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Sure, okay, sorry, well podcast an ASMR. So by that time,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the reward for information had been raised to one hundred
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars. So the last time we chucked in it
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: was eleven and a half thousand. Now it's one hundred thousand.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: They mean business and they're still not getting anything. So
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: in CIS informed the team the DoD database didn't work
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: that way. It was a collection of DNA samples for
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: potential identification in case of serious injury or death.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: It wasn't profiles and names like cotis.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: That's a great yeap and the n CIS people, I
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: just noticed. Sorry late to the party, but that's great.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: The building scene too boring, I needed Mark Harmon there.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I've never watched that show.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I think I've watched one episode.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I love Mark. The movie Summer School with Mark Carmon is.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Dyed to on TV all the time when I was younger.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I love that movie.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Will always be obsessed with that movie. That dog. So
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I should have put them in instead of in CIA.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: That would have been good.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: But they did mention multiple fires and military barracks in
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: the area. So in CIS is like, we can't help
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you with DNA, but also there's these fires going on
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: where we work. So surveillance footage from one of the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: fires had a clear view of a car leaving the scene.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: It was a light colored nineteen eighty eight or eighty
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: nine Toyota Corolla with a distinctive oval sticker on the
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: back windshields, which oval doesn't sound that distinctive.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, look at her flashback. That's crazy. Yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like how cars used to look you guys.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: My dad drove a Toyota Corolla back then, was right.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: And it was in DC too, So interesting anyway, the military,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: So once again we've got a case that I was
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: like around it's funny. So in cis Special Agent Matt
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Butler actually tailed this car in March of two thousand
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: and three.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Wow, So what's in saying is that two years before
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: this incis meeting. That's right, two years that's months before
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Mama lu was killed. And you know, it's really heartbreaking
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to think that if there had been like a form
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: of communication place between all of these organizations, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that some of the destruction and lives lost, it could
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: have been avoided. You know, Butler had gotten a plate
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: number before losing the car, and that car was registered
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: to an address on Lebaum Street in Southeast DC, just
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: locks away from one of the Circle seven stores that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: used the bags found at the scene. And the owner
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of that car was named Thomas Anthony Sweats not the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: candy maker.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: What Sweats?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: It's a I don't know if that's just an Ohio thing.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Have you guys heard of Thomas Anthony candy chuck? Let's
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: oh okay, well, never mind, moving on. Sweat was surveiled,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't doing anything suspicious. Frustrated and desperate atf
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Scott Fulkerson eventually walked into Sweats work a KFC in
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Northeast DC and asked him if he was a serial arsonist. Yep,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that's what you do. You just walk up to somebody You're.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Like, this is the one I made iron Man just
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: for Oh, all.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Right, that's fair. It would be a tell anything to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: do so Fulkerson later said, if a person is innocent,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: the answer has to be no. Anything else is considered decepted.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I mean I'd probably be like, uh what.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I am making chick right now.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Also, look at how normal the top of his head
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: is compared to that sketch that was just like, you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: know what, no forehead or top of head? Forget about it?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: My god?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: What?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Oh? I love I love bad sketches. I mean I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't do that job. I'm sorry I couldn't.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: But still, what Terry is confused?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: What you confused? Harry?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: We answer some questions for you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Or maybe the candies are called Anthony Thomas candies. I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. But anyway, so he asked,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you know, he asks Sweat, like, oh, are you the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: serial arsonist? So Sweat responded, why would I set those
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: beautiful homes on fire when I'm trying to become a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: homeowner myself? So deceptive? But also calling the homes beautiful
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: implied that he had seen them, so Scott asked Sweat
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: for a DNA sample and Sweat a blood. She was like, yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: here you go, get it. So a swab of his
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: salaga was sent to the Montgomery County Lab, where an
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: analyst worked that weekend to turn it around as quickly
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: as possible, and guess what, say it together? It was
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a match, all right. The tax force and prosecutors started
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: scrambling for Warrence. I mean about damn time. Yeah, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, okay, I made fun of you, Folgerson, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: brazen going in there, all accusatory, but you're right. Good call,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: good call, good call.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Well, something that's kind of interesting about this is a
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: bunch like half the task force still did not believe
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: that it could be a black man. So a lot
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: of them were like, there's no way this is the guy.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: They're following him around, he's driving to KFC, he's living
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: his life.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: They're like, this isn't the guy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And then written working at a KFC. I'm sure you
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: know they didn't take that very respectfully.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was the guy. Scott got it. Uh.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Sweat was arrested on April twenty seventh of two thousand
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: and five, when I.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Just want to pull up one of elbow Feat's comments
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: here so we all remember what the sketches.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly what I mean. Boys at
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: three am or whatever.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just w ross nice Betty. Yes,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I say, try not to laugh too hard because things
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: are melting. It wild.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weirder.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So. Uh.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: He was arrested April twenty seventh of two thousand and five.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: He had driven out of DC into Maryland and they
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: weren't planning on arresting him then, but they were tailing
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: him and they thought he was running. So it turns
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: out he just had a regional meeting for KFC employees.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: That happens, But while he was in the meeting, the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: press somehow leaked the confidential information that an arrest was
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: going to be made.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Of course they did so.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: The man tailing him was Chief Deputy Fire Marshall Robert
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: and m Luckett, and he was told to arrest him
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: before he could leave the parking lot.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know Fire Marshal's can to arrest people.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't either. Yeah, he had like an undercover cop. Car.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: It might have been part of this task force. I
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: don't know, because they all it seems like everybody was
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: The avengers.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going on, must be honest.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: So Luckett did cut off sweats car when he tried
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: to leave, and he made the arrest, which is pretty
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: embarrassing to get arrested in front of all your KFC coworkers,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: like of the area, the.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Region, but the region.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I guess that's what you deserve.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So after, it's not the drugs, Terry, I promise it's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: not the drugs. It looks weird, okay.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Was she confused about the sketch?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: We yes, okay, okay, yeah, we all were.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: So after about an hour and a half of questioning,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: he can pass to setting fifty fires. He cried as
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: he discussed the death of lew Enna Jones and another woman,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: eighty nine year old Annie Brown, who had died in
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: two thousand and two and a fire.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: The task force hadn't tied to the case.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: The government jumped at the chance to profile him and
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: tried to discern what made him cause so much destruction.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Sweat requested to meet Chief Blackwell, telling him sorry for
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: all the headache.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, So that's all the buyers and that map there,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: those are the ones he confessed to. That he confessed to. Wow,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: that is interesting.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Made me hold onto your horses.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Kelly P. But was the chicken fingers looking good? Asking
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: for our friend a girl?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, As I said in the intro, he was
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: considered the best fry cook in DC.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Like legit interesting? Okay, not just KFC.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: But we'll find out more.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes we will here, guys, oh boy. In
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: searching his car, police found no considerary devices, but they
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: did find a leather bag with a hole cut in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: it and a camcorder. They learn sweat and another hobby,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: secretly filming men on the street that he found to
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: be attractive. When the task course asked him about it,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: they learned another hobby. It's going to come up multiple
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: times tonight.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: So where are my mod's at. Let's go ahead and
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: drop that trigger because the other hobby.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Is pleasuring himself to these videotapes and to fires and
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: two shoes and to let me just check my list here,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: funky walks.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh boy, oh boy, we got a
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: lot of got a lot to go, you guys, and
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: don't worry you guys, don't worry. He also likes home renovations. Actually,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: maybe this is a good time to jump timelines and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: learn a little bit more about Thomas Sweat and how
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: he ended up a serial arsonist, which is really, I
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: think the least interesting thing about him, which is a wild.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting, it's so interesting.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: The Thomas Anthony Sweat was born on November one, nineteen
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: fifty four, in North Carolina. Oh yeah, probably friends with Annie,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: we can assume in nineteen fifty four. He knew from
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: an early age that he was different from other people.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: He didn't want to play sports or ride a bike
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: like the other boys. He daydreamed about playing with dolls,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: and he liked playing house with his brother as long
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: as his brother kept things very neat. He also recalls
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: being sexually aroused by shoes from a young age. He
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: later wrote about masturbating while looking at large, shiny shoes
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: his uncles, his father's someone who came over for a
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: prayer meeting, like anyone with shiny shoes.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Okay they're big enough.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, Okay, that's a dress. That's a weird time.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: That's weird timing for that comic all right, So he
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: never felt truly loved as a child, nor does he now.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: He may tell a family member stop it. Okay, he
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: may tell a family member he loves them, but as
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: he put it, it's very hard to feel in my heart.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: He would, decades later be diagnosed with an undisclosed personality
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: disorder and depression. Maybe that's why he didn't understand why
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: he did the things he did, saying, I look for
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: answers to many questions, but I'm only left with more
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: question marks. That's kind of sad when you think about it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: It is very sad. There, No, there's a lot about
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: this that's sad. Like we're we're going for the jokes
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: because it's foot stuff and whatnot. But but no, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: mean this is this is another person with a mental
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: disorder and.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: That I'm sure being you know, African American and what
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: it sounds to be gay, Okay, in that time period,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: in that time period, and Carolina is not a good
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: time for that. But also you don't need to become
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: an arsonist. But Danny d anyway, let's keep going. And
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: some people did die, so we can only have so
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: much sympathy, is all I'm saying.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Exactly. We've got the closing thoughts too. It's really gonna
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay. So Sweat tried to enlist in the Navy
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six at the age of twenty one.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: In a way it made sense. He liked things to
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: be very orderly, and believe it or not, wanted to
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: be a hero. While he passed the app to test,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: he failed the physical and the rejection stung and he
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: never got over it. He noticed men's walks when he
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: went cruising for men years later, down by the Navy
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: yard or by bases in barracks. He liked a man
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: in uniform, but strange gates and large shoes attracted him
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the most.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Now, Dave, did you really have to leave right then? Because,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: as Thomas Wat considered a clown, Dave called it. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: would say that he would should work in McDonald's, but
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: he'd never get anything done because he'd be so horny
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: for Ronald an officer, Big Mac and that freaky little Hamburgler.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I love that. Maybe our staff is kind
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: of peasing in the little things you've been putting in
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: our chats for the week, and maybe that'll make more
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: sense now.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Sometime, I love it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Eventually, though, he met a man that he went out
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: with most knights, but after the man dropped him at home,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: he would go looking for younger men. He met a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: man named Tyrone, a handsome boxer with size twelve feet
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: who had come over to watch Dynasty. But Tom, Oh wow,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: what a time capsule we're in. But Tom later recalled
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: we became the best of friends until I became obsessed
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: with him, which drove me to set his house afire,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and actually his aunt's house on Peabody and Third. She
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: was slightly injured and else was damage, just the basement
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: where he lived. I was glad she didn't get hurt. Now,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: before he set the fire, he snuck into Tyrone's basement
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: room and stole all of his clothes and tennis shoes.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: He later slept with the shoe on a pillow.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: We all took a moment to think about the aroma
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: of sleeping with Tyrone's shoe.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Tyrone a handsome boxer.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, he wants to watch Dynasty.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Come on, I mean, Tyrone sounds great, don't get me wrong.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, oh, you're surprised he didn't want to hang
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: out with you more after you burned his aunt's house town.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: But okay, well this is where we're starting to see
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: where he's coming from here how he thinks. So that
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: was the early eighties, about two decades before the police
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: even knew to look for him, and that was when
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: that's what began to feel like there was another person
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: inside of him. In nineteen eighty four, he was arrested
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: for stealing twenty five hundred dollars in jewelry.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: From a man he went home with.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Oh after that, despite the uniforms, he had mixed feelings
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: about police officers, and the case against them was dropped
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: when he agreed to participate in court ordered diversion program.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty four. They had those in nineteen 's.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I mean, yeah, I don't know, twenty five
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: hundred dollars of jewelry, I don't know.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe that the victim was part of that. I don't know.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: So, of course, he was not diverted from his love
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: of fires, and by January eleventh, nineteen eighty five, he
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: had developed an early form of the method that would
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: become his pattern, and this is what he called his fantasy.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: So a man Roy Piacot caught his eye on the
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: way home from his shift as a fry cook at
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Roy Rogers. What followed Peacot home and watched him go inside.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: He wanted to see him again, so we walked home,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: changed out of his uniform, borrowed his sister's car, and
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: stopped at a gas station, filling in a plastic bottle
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: with gasoline.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Oh. He returned to Peacock's house and gently poured gasolene
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: under the front door, dropping it there with a towel.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: That's when it does when you got a crash.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? He lit a match and
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: the vapors caught fire, so the fire spread quickly inside
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: of the entryway where the gasoline sweat. Got back in
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: his sister's car and drove around. Before he looped back,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: the man he wanted to see again was standing in
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: front of his house in his underwear, ignoring the severe
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: burns on.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Most of his body and the smoke in his lungs,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: shouting that his wife and kids were still inside. What
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: could hear one of the boys calling for help from
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: the basement.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, try You want to feel bad for this guy,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: but then you're like ef, You buddy, Okay, wow. Now,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: part of Sweat's fantasy is that a man would run
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to him to be rescued from the fire. And I
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: guess fantasy is a good word for it because it
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: literally never happens. In all hundreds of fires never happens.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: So what would imagine helping his victims, but instead would
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: sit and watch the fires burn and maybe touch himself
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: a little move were heading home for the evening. Freaking weird. No.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Roy Peacot died from his injuries and his partner, Bessie
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: may Duncan, never escaped the fire. Their four children were
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: injured but lived. A fire investigator ruled it to be
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: an accidental fire caused by a drop cigarette mere hours
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: after the fire occurred, even though no one in the
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: home smoked cigarettes. I'm not going to say why I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: think they went ahead to rule that, but we all know.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Bessie may Duncan was described by a neighbor as generous
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: and friendly, bringing her a homemade cake every Christmas. She
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: also enjoyed tending to her vegetable garden and gifting fresh
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: tomatoes to her neighbors. Roy Pecott was thirty nine years
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: old and worked for the Washington Post. I didn't even
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: know who this guy was. That's what's crazy.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: No, he like gay him, like the hay on the street,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like he just like he acknowledged somebody that
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: passed him on the street and because he yeah, I
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: guess he was cute and had a funky walk.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Whatever that means.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So uh so sweat.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: He did have different motives for different fires, but more
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: often than not, they were part of this sexual fantasy.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: He said.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Fire is a tool to destroy, and somehouse fires also
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: become my fantasy of people scrambling to exit windows and
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: sort of feel like they need my help, so I
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: stay and watch. Then I masturbate over the fire while
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: driving away from the scene.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: And never helping, not helping, although like not safe driving.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, you can't see producer Amy.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: She read the script. I know she read the script.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Thomas had been living in short term rentals around DC
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: for years before settling into the Southeast neighborhood in nineteen
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: ninety two. He found an affordable apartment in an old
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: two story brick house on the Bomb Street Southeast. It
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: was a bit of a rough area, but he grew
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: to love it eventually, writing I feel like that was
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: my world. The people were friendly. Not a lot of
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: money in the neighborhood, but everybody was happy, go lucky,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: if you know what I mean. But that was the
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: good part of Tom that people saw and only knew.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Then when darkness fell, it was the other person living
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: inside of me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Not great, not great Tom as the neighborhoods knew him,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: was said to be kind and soft spoken. He worshiped
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: God and how to support family, and he took pride
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: in his job as a fry cook in fast food
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: in an industry with a high term of our rate.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: He worked at Roy Rogers for twenty years and KFC
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: for twelve, being promoted to the manager, which is why
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: he went to the regional conference. He did and listen,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: he excelled in it. So it hurt his feelings when
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: people told him that it wasn't a real job. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like that when people say that either.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is no time.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: You're doing your job, you're paying your bills. Get over it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: For those people, he's doing a good job at the job.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly, like who cares, Come on, exactly.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: He wasn't in a que department. You don't know what
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: he's doing at night.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: That's true, and it's time off from work, speaking of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: which he read di y books, took pride in his
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: interior design skills and learned home renovations with his sister.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: He would help out around the apartment building, mowing the
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: lawn and picking up trash. Look at that, he's a
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: friendly neighbor ish Just don't look at him. Don't walk
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: fungi or be a man. KFC co worker Jermaine Bryant
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: saw him as a mentor. Everybody complains, but he didn't,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Bryce went shared. Bryant once shared he'd be there at
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: six am every morning doing inventory. Everything he did was
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: so neat. He knew where everything was. He'd bring in
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: coffee and donuts for everyone in the morning. Just the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: sweetest guy. You know who else did that? The fictional
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: character Dexter, who was a serial killer. That's who.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And Dexter also was like my dark passenger,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: like right, extionalizing the bad parts of himself when it's
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: like no, that's just you, like.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Right, as Tom put it himself, KFC was very stressful
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and I had little time for anything else. When coming
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: and leaving that restaurant, I put on a mask to
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: hide the other person who took over after closing because
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: he had two different sides, much like this, KFC is
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: also a pizza Oh my god, that's so perfect.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they still exist. I'm pretty sure. Well we
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: have a Pizza Hot Taco Bell.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: This this particular location turned into a Pizza Hot Taco
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Bell or a KFC Talko bet and then close.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Wow. I wonder in their lane tacos and breadsticks at
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: the same time. Yes, please, I don't know.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think Taco Bell needs help. Okay, talk about
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: them stand alone like the cheese.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Like cheese. I wonder if you met Colonel Sanders. I mean,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: have you seen his the size of his shoes or
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: his gait? I have it sexy?
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I found some weird Colonel Thanders stuff when looking for him,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: just for this episode.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: By the way, I'm so sorry. I don't know what
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that means, but I'm sorry.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I knew there was the like Mario
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Lopez movie like romance movie where he's Colonel Sandards, but
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I didn't know there was like anime games where he's
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: hot and you're romancing him.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Apparently Colonel Sanderds. Oh my god, you know there has
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: to be like weird fan fiction of Colonel Sanders. I'm
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: not saying it needs to be a member only reading,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: but I think it should be.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of members only fan fictions to read.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Anyhow, So after Tom arrived on the bomb Street, so
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: did the fires. A garage, a restaurant, a laundromat, and
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: the barber who gave him a bad haircut burned twice.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Oh well, that's fair. Have you ever had a bad haircut?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I've cried before.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe that was like when he got that sketch done.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, took off the whole top of his head. I'd
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: be burning savage.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Welcome are you calling us weird? Lady and Gray?
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, she knows us.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: It's going to continue. He's got other things too enjoy.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: So, as he later wrote, after doing it for so long,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: it just became easier and easier. But the fear of
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: getting caught was always there. Each fire was like the
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: first time, and I'd always take a deep breath and
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: ask the Lord to forgive me for what I'm about
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Right that works? Yeah? Yeah, cool?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Real, he's a good Christian man.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: He bought the Toyota in two thousand and one, and
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: the radius of his terror grew blazing and to northeast DC,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: near his work, and across county lines in New Maryland,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: where the houses were bigger the rent steeper. He set
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: fire to a construction site and was proud that it
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: could be seen burning from a mile away.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Whoa, it.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Hit a gas pipeline and yes, bikes over a million
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: dollars in damage.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, that'll do it. That explains that he's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: in federal jail. This explains it. Okay, yike, okay, Well,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: you guys, Colonel Sanders's fetishes are not normal.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: That's I mean.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Do you know what his gate is? Do you know?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I mean I was talking about weird, weird anime dating games,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: and I would argue that almost every one of those
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I've seen is not normal.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Like, no, there's one where you date tanks. So there's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: one where your date a pigeon. Yeah, oh, they're all weird.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Too much Internet, too much Internet. We're not gonna go
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: with that. So he didn't have any romantic relationships by then.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: As he told it, there were a few one nice stands,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: so to speak, but nothing to hold on to. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: don't look to have a romantic relationship as a normal
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: human being would love roses and red wine sort of thing.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Mine was more of choosing the person for crazy reasons
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: like h he has a nice, funky walk, or maybe
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: enjoy their companionship but don't come by often. Most of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: these experiences, though ended violently, some involve police, and some
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I took in the matters in my own hands hands.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I bet he did. Are you. Are you mathematized by
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: that funky walk?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I am sorry, I am sorry, I was I was
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: looking at something else distracted. Sorry anyway, but dare you?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I was memorized by the funky walk and just sitting
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: here daydreaming about it. I never have you ever looked
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: at people's walks and been like, that's a good walk?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I think, well, I am very self conscious about my walk.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: I think you don't notice other people's walks unless they're
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: like super weird.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: And I noticed my own walk because I'm like, oh, well.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I stick it up. Let's say I'm in a restaurant,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: right and I had to get up to the bathroom.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: It's like the most embarrassing. Why It's like, I don't
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: even know how to walk, because I think everyone in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the restaurant is watching me walk from the table to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the bathroom, even though nobody is. It's like I've forgotten
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: how to do. It'll be like hands straight, like weirdo.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I don't know what's a funky walk.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I need to know. I mean you did, Kelly, of
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: course you did. I love you, Kelly. Don't change.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: I was a way Yeah, it's it's a funky walk
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: to me is the beginning of Saturday night fever.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: All right, touchhae to sche all right. So his relationships
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: with men were more likely to end in fire. If
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: you wanted to see someone again, he had his method.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: That's how the fire started that killed lou Edna Jones.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: That's right, Mom Jones, alright. P Sweat followed her grandson home,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: watched him check the mailbox. He wanted to see him again,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: and he was part of sweats fantasy. Mama Lewis Son
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: or a Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority uniform. I mean,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: what is hotter than those sweater vest? Nothing?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I mean it probably is hot, Like if you're the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: one wearing it, you're like Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Well, look at his time. That guy has a time
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: just saying he had the thing for uniforms. Interesting, interesting,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: and sw sure hadn't forgotten his love of men in uniform, No,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: he has not. He also enjoyed visiting different military barracks,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: stealing uniform parts and whatever he could from unlocked cars,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: and of course setting cars and buildings on fire, because
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: why on He'd videotape men coming and going from bases
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: and rec fruitment offices, and we know, we know what
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: he did with the footage later. What it's so weird.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: It is very weird. I will say. Every time the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: word coming is written.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I bet, I bet carry right now
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: is like, thank freaking gad. I don't feel good. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to read this stuff.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: I wondered about the timing of this, but hmmm, never,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just shoking you, Terry. So he also set police
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: cruisers on fire.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: He didn't like what they stood for.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: He later wrote, I burned police cruisers parked at the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: station and some that were at their residence to me,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: to me, they seem to have power because of their
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: badge and gun, and I felt powerful through when they
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: lost their vehicles. Some of the burned cars would remain
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: at the spot for many days, and I'd drive back
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: that night and just stare and smell the smoke.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we're just staring and smelling the smoke.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: One know.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: He began to watch Transit authority employees park their personal
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: cars in a liquor store parking lot and walk into work.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: He would wait till the lot got more full, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: then torch the cars he found to be the sexiest,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: like the Metro instructor Wade Powell's white.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Mustang sixiest cars. Okay, walker and cars and shoes. What
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: is happening?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: If a funky walk is going to do it for you,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I think a white Mustang's going to do it for you.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Like Kelly, I am drinking tequila and margarita with more tequila,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: so mango margarita. I don't know if it's enough. I'm
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: just saying so.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: The owner of the liquor store got used to a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: riving to work to smoldering cars and fire trucks, and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: between the videotapes and diaries that he kepped of as fires, he.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Could relive the moments whenever he wanted. As the task
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: force suspected.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: He also enjoyed following news coverage of his work, though
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: he didn't care for people who suggested he needed mental help, saying,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: it's too bad I don't.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Know where you live, for you'd surely be on the list.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Yikes. Do you think he thought fire fighters were hot too?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Their uniforms were? Because I feel like he probably did.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: How big are their feet?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Well? Look they do? They also?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Also? How dare he pretend to have a list?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: But right suggests a uni mental health grow?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Okay? Like, all right, this isn't outlandish. Okay, So for
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the record, Tom, you don't need to put us on
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: your list. Our feet are totally normal sized, so it's fine.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Don't call were fet it now? It does elbow feet
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: count as a large foot?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe? Well, it's more about the shoes than the feet.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I suppose, I don't. I don't How big were his feet?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a good question.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Do we know the size of his feet?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I couldn't swind out where he was from other than.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how does this either? How does someone get to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: this point? Is what I want to know. I'm so
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: curious now, you guys, When he didn't pick a house
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: or a vehicle because of a sexy man or sexy car.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: He said he had his reasons a bike on the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: porch that caught his eye, or houses that he found
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: to be designed poorly. Houses he thought looked like a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: mechanic might live there. I mean, heaven forbid if a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: mechanic lived there, Oh my gosh. And when all else failed,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: he just picked a house with aluminum sighting because it
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: burned faster than the alternatives.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: I think he assumed the mechanic would be hot.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Only if he's in the uniform, right the the uh
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: jumper that they wear with oil.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I hope he's not listening. I don't want to turn
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: him on. He often watched the fires burn for as
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: long as he could, and yes, that meant he might
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: have had some close calls with police, especially once they
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: targeted thet their targeted stakeouts began. He enjoyed that, writing,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I like the attention from setting fires, the blue and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: red light lights flashing from the fire trucks and police cars,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: the rushing of firefighters hooking up the hoses to put
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: out the flames, and people gathered to watch. They were
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: an arms length to rest me. Sorry, I don't know
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: why I chose.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: To read it like that.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I apologize for our audience or making them all
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: very uncomfortable. Right then, So what never said why he
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: agreed to the DNA test? I guess what do you
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: say when asked for a bucle swab while trying to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: keep the bride chicken moving? Yes, that's right, buckle, I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: say bucle.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: I was wondering. She said buckle today and Lori vallo
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: and I was like, it's that. No, I didn't assume
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: what was that? Okay, Yeah, I'd said.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Before, that's buhcle, it's buhcle. He did say he got
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: rid of his fire journal in two inciderary devices in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: its car after the police visit. It had work. That
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: makes me sad because I don't want to read his
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: fire naughty journals, but I do at the same time.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Well, if it makes you feel any better, members of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: the task for us think he's lying about that, okay?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Probably? Okay? When did he have the time to write anything?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Here said like five fires day filling people walking? He
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: had a free hand, but one thing has to hold
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: the cam quarder, then the other one was busy. Sil
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how talented he is.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know anyway. Task Force officers who have been
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: working around the clock for over a year said that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: when they arrested Sweat, he seems more exhausted than they did.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he's he's open in the KFC at
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: six am, he's getting donuts on the way, and he's.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Up all night.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Setting fires, setting.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Fires and then thinking about it for a while.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Getting a crotch fire. I guess that's what we can
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: call it. I don't know.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Sounds like you just go to the doctor.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Oh God, why is Alafe sending me pictures right now?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know is he getting? Is the end of
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: this a bunky walk?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: It's just another car that went into a building. So
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Folkswagon crashed into the Volkswagon dealership in Westerville. That's right, Sorry,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Just finding its way home. So we have now folded timelines.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: We're back to April two thousand and five. Sweat had
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: been arrested and he confessed to setting fifty fires to homes,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: apartment complexes.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: And vehicles.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: That also included two fatalities, Mama lu and Annie Brown.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Part of his plea agreement was two debriefings with the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: US Attorney's Office, and four ride alongs with the task force.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Wait, question, why did it not include Peacock and his
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: white because or is this a spoiler?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: He's going to find out about that later.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Sorry, No, it's okay.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: We were so remembering that.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: The story structure is a little weird. Here we went
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: through the path of the detectives, then his path. So
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: he's confessed to fifty fires at this point.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, but.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: He's going to do these ride alongs.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I just want to adjust this for the Peacock family,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: that's all.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: They'll have to wait a while for it, but we'll
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: find that out.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: All right. Because that is the fire chief and the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: pink shirt.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: There, that's Luckett. That is our boy, Bob Lockett. And
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: then Scott Fulkerson, our iron man, is the one with
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: the Oakley's.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so the ride along van team always included
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Scott Fulkerson, Tom Daily, Bob Bluckett, and of course Thomas Sweat.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: A fire investigator named Brian Rudinsky rode along with the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: laptop with database access to corroborate Sweat stories, and depending
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: on what area they were touring, they would invite localized
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: Task Force members to join so they could hear the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: stories firsthand. Now, two additional agents would follow in a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: chase car in case Sweat tried to make a run
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: for it and he did not.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean we knew that he didn't get Why
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: is there an ant on my computer screen? That's weird? Sorry,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: and buy an weird? I mean we know he didn't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: pass this physical for the military. I don't think it's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: get running.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Soon, saying no, he's We're about to find out he's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: having the time of his life.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I bet he is. Sweat would point out locations he'd
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: set fire to and give details with startling accuracy. The
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: fires that the database already held match his description based
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: on time and part of origin. The fires that weren't
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: in the database would later be found elsewhere, sometimes ruled
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: as accidental. He originally confessed the fifty fires, but that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: number continued to grow. Bob Luckett joked around with Sweat,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: fostering a friendly relationship that helped keep Sweat talking. Tom
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Dally said Sweat couldn't catch his breath, laughing luck it's nonsense.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: That guy is so funny. It shows the bonds and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the bridge and then the ability to cross. That's how
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: profound luck It understood the mission when we were driving around.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Luck It's mission was to get as much information regarding
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: all of these prior fires from Sweat to build a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: wall would be a disaster. That Lucky guy. I want
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: to know how funny he is.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I made him the hulk nice nice, which doesn't really
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: fit his character that much, but he is. He's like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: a kind of he's a football player.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Where's black weddes? Say? Is going down?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: What's happening?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Nothing? Don't worry about me, am I with Sweats cooperation,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: the task force closed three hundred and fifty three cases. Yeah, guys,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty three. That is wild. Yeah, And
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's not even all of them. To
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: be honest, I think he probably forgot about a bunch.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: She'd be quite right, no, because there's yeah, that's most
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: of them that we're aware of. But okay, And he did,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: like they were saying, that guy that was checking the database.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: It was like.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: He would say, oh, I did this at two am,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: and then like thirty minutes later he'd be like, you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: know what, I'm sorry. Actually it was five am, and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: he'd look it up and it was like it was
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: at four or fifty eight am. Like interesting, he really
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: remembered these things, and I guess having the journal maybe helped.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know how long he kept the journal.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: But I mean, can you forget when you see a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: walk that you have to funky walk that you have
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: to follow home and burn their house down? You just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: don't really forget, or a bike or a bike or
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: looking at your wrong.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: A wrench, maybe mechanic clubs there, I don't know, might
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: as well born in designs. That is kind of my
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: favorite of the motives.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: Like the example given was like the front of the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: house looked exactly like the back of the house, so
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: I thought.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It was shit, so I burned it down. Okay, Okay.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: So Thomas Sweat pleaded guilty on June sixth, two thousand
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: and five, So hey, yeah, this that hour in two
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: thousand and five. This case kind of started in two
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: thousand and three, but then they found out it had
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: been going on for decades really, so two thousand and five,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: he plied guilty. On September eleventh, he was sentenced to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: life in prison, which was not a surprise, as Jim Trusty.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Said, this is the long one, guys, so bear with me.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Eventually, the sentencing was almost anti climactic because we had
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: backed up these charges called eighteen USC. Nine twenty four C,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: which is use of a destructive device in connection or
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: in furtherance of a crime of violence. So it's a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: five year mandatory for the first defense, it's twenty five
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: for the next one. It's consecutive, and then it's life.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: So when you get to three or more of these,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: you know that the judge has almost no discretion. Yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: they have to enroll license.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: And then we also had murders from DC and standalone
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: urs counts, So his overall numbers sentencing were life plus
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: sixteen hundred months, which is kind of nonsensical in terms
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: of what he's really going to do. But again, we
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: had federal statutes that applied to serial arson, and when
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: there's death resulting from it, and when there are multiple
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: uses of devices, then the stakes get astronomical. So his
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: attorney knew early on, Look, the best we can do
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: is ask for which prison we're going to.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Pretty much at that point you're at so, oh.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Good night, Terry, I'm sorry I'm putting you to sleep
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: of my federal statutes.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: That's sweet dreams.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: So add his sentence thing we said, I'm very sorry
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: for all of the harm that I've caused you. To
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: those who have lost loved ones, I share your hurt
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: and I share your pain every day. That wasn't enough
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: for Mamulu's daughter, Caroline Jones, who later said that he
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: deserved the same fate he'd given her mother.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: No, DC Mayor Anthony Williams said after Sweat's arrest, in
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: a sense, all of us were victims of the serial arsonist.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: All of us were on edge, not knowing when this
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: person would strike next.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Any fare that many fires, I mean all over the place,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: I'd be a little and literally you could like not
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: even have known this guy. You passed them on the street.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: You didn't even know he's filming you, and they decided
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: you want to burn your house down because the way
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: you walked, Or maybe you're a little too small, or
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: they're too shiny, I don't know. Maybe is that why
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: shoe shiners went out in the style this guy?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: No, I bet you in DC they still have them.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: Also, Amos, it's interesting that you say the DC sniper
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: because our boy Tom daily or as I've made him
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Captain America. He worked on that case and he was
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: brought to d c uh to work in the Pentagon
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: after nine to eleven and then Sniper. He did the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: anthrax mailings in this case, and I realized it's probably
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: not like a good wording to say he did the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: anthrax mailing.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: That's true, but he investigated them.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: That's very interesting. So he retired yet so he can
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: talk to him.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: He has retired. He is teaching crew at high school
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: in DC. That is the only lecture of him on
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: the internet.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. Well, I mean he's so uh no, that's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: three hundred fifty three fires I think for decades, not
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: just in the yeah, two years. But I feel like
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: there's probably a load. Yeah, like you had to have
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: been doing this since he was a I mean major probably. Well,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: he's funny, is.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: He says the first he said, the first one is
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: that Tyrone with the where they watched Dynasy together, and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: that was like a guy he got obsessed with, like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: a friend of his who got obsessed with and.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I'm blame it on Tyrone. Okay, So but and that
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: was you know, he was a young adult.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I guess that was the eighties, early eighties.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting. So from federal prison in terry HoTT, Indiana,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Thomas replied to a letter sent by journalist Dave Jamieson.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: It was less than six months from his sentencing, maybe
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: he was still in the mood to confess, and their
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: correspondence was the basis for Jamison's award winning articles Letters
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: from an Arsonist. The motives that Sweat had kept under
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: wraps in courts he now put out for the world
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: to read. And that article also brought a bit of
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: closure to the family of Roy Pecott and Bessie may Duncan.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: They finally learned the truth about what happened in their
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: house why they bear emotional and physical scars. In thirty
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: three years after the fire that killed their parents, their
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: desks were reclassified as homicides. Well, but I'm still so
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: mad about the investigation.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: But yeah, well, and that's the thing. That's why there's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: probably all these all these fires that weren't attributed to him,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: because everybody was just like, yeah, it's a cigarette. The
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: whole family said, you know, nobody smokes cigarettes here. So
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: if his writings can be believed, it's what himself does
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: show signs of regret for the death he caused, and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: maintains his faith in prison. God has been merciful and kind.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: I want to obey and keep his will, for I'm
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: no longer worried about this life, but the life afterwards.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: There's still hope for us all. No matter where we are,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: this old, mortal body will soon be no more, but
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: the soul will go to heaven or hell. I'm glad
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: to know God as a forgiving God, and there is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: no sin so great he will not forgive. Isn't that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: a wonderful thought?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Right? And as a counterpart, in the words of Mamulu's
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: oh this grand Darlene, it would be better if he
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: sat down and kept his mouth shut. He's not sorry.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Well on that. What a wild story, you guys. I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: kind of tried to warn you guys that it wasn't
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: necessarily what you thought it would be about. But yeah,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: go ahead and put your thoughts of what you've heard
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: tonight in the chat and we might read some of them.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: But wow, you guys are doing that. How we give
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: our closing thoughts? Capn what are yours?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: So this is the first time I really dug into
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: an arson case, and I hadn't really thought about how
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: difficult it is to convict arseness, Like it's a crazy
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: low rate of conviction.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Interesting, and.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: It's crazy that this guy got caught and that they
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: had the opportunity to talk to him. So it's like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: then there's also his motives, which are also very unusual.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: It's been said that he's the only known arsonist with
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: predominantly sexual motives.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: So interesting.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: This guy is a unicorn and he's also a creep.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: And I'm surprised he didn't kill more people given his
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: mo of starting fires in the middle of the night
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: when people would be asleep, but that.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: We even know of. Even that was of, Yeah, they
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: could have died later from smoke in elation or something.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Well he yeah, actually he didn't know that Roy Peacock
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: died because he died like, uh later in the hospital,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: so he found out later. He also called him Roy Peacock.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: I will say all of his quotes were heavily edited
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: because his spelling is crazy. He spells fantasy with a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: pH two. So yeah, and I'm I mean, I don't
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: know if I can say what I want to say.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: He should have just sucked a clown.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, big feet, funny walks.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: He could have saved everybody a lot of trouble. Yeah,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: got a therapist and tucked a clown.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, look how easy that solution was, right. You know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: I've found that cereal arsonists are hardly talked about in
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: the true crime world, Like you never hear about them
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: hardly ever, And so I've always found them very fascinating
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: to an interesting to like learn about. And you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I've often wondered, like what makes them tick to set fires?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: And usually the ones I've heard have been people that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: are firefighters. But you know, I they do say that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: if you're going to ask a question, you better be
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: for the answer. And I was not prepared for any
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: of the answers in the story, and not a single one,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: not even I thought the fire was pretty, and I
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: just like the way it looked. No, No, the answers
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: we got some of the craziest things I have ever heard.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: And you know, it did remind me a little bit
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: a little bit of Jeffrey Dahmer because this would have
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: been earlier, around the same period as the two as
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: two gay men, during a time when it wasn't quite okay.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: They had to live a different life, they didn't feel
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: comfortable about it, and then they developed a very weird
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: sex and attraction things, and you know, you kind of
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: have to wonder like, yeah, okay, there's already something a
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: little bit effed up about them, you know. But then
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: at the time, especially during the eighties, with the AIDS
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: crisis and everything going on, they couldn't even be themselves,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: let alone be their weird ass selves, you know. So
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: in some way I do have a little sympathy there
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: of like, what if they live today, where it's a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: more open world, more accepting world, maybe we didn't need
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: fires in, you know, killing a bunch of people.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: But whenever it is, yeah, it's easier, it's easier to say, oh,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: fuck a clown. The answer is really let kids. Let
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: kids be who they are.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Now. I must say, if if you look on his
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Wikipedia the page, it's fairly there considering all we've said tonight,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: because I looked at it tonight because I wanted to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: see if he was still alive. And when I looked
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: at it, I was like, why is there nothing on
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: his Wikipedia page? So I must say that Captain did
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: a fantastic job in researching this case because she did
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: all the hard work. I'm just here as me. I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: guess I don't even know why I'm here, but I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: hear she had a fantastic job researching this case, and
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I know I'm going to be thinking about it for
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: a while, as is our chat. So please show Captain
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: some love in the chat and in our comment section,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: because we have a whole team of people that do
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: all sorts of things and they do a fantastic job
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: at what they do. So before we go into our
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: wrap up, let's just see what some of the other
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: people had to say about how they felt about this case.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Amy Best says that was definitely wild. So any days
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: wants to know how old are you? I don't know
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: which twenty wants us to know, but we're older than
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: probably what you think we are. Kelly p says he
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: was a psycho. Yes, yes, yes he was. That's it's
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: so crazy, so crazy. Lady and Gray says, that was
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: a crazy story. Great job lomming cappin excellent research. Cabin agreed,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: you know, because she was like, I have never even
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: heard this case. I was like me either, it's an arsonist,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: so how about it? And then she starts to feel like.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: But then I'm what is happening?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Immediately I was like, there's foot stuff here, so you
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: know this is the footstuff case.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm like what, Like we were all picking cases
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, it's fine,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: it's just an arsonist whatever.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll take I'll take whatever. I don't care.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: And boy, were we all surprised if it's not just
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: about that. Sam says, what a wild ride? Oh yet
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: not your unicorn? Sam? No, no, no, Kelly says surprised
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: that he hasn't caused a fire in prison. Ooh, that's good.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: But he's in federal prison. So he's still alive. By
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, that's why I looked up before the show.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, is he still lut Yep, he
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: is still lot in federal prison Virginia.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's back in Virginia.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know why he went to tear Hote, Like,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: I know that's a big prison, but I heard that
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: he went from Virginia to Indiana back to Virginia.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like Terry hoats where they put like really
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: not great people. So one of my friends from there, oh, Okay,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: that's like literally all they have is that prison and.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Clapp Girl baking powder. What that means it's a brand
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: of baking powder. There's the baker's in the chat when
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: her No, there's like there's a two big brands of
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: baking powder and one of them is claver Girl and
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: that's from there. Oh all they have? Oh yeah, my friend,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: who's awesome?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, where's for KFC Savage? That's right? And Horry Rogers. Yes,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: if you're like in good place, I mean yeah, big feet,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: funny walk. Ronald McDonald was probably terrified. I mean just
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: his his type. So I don't know what you'all watch.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: You know, we're where, this is us. This is us.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: We look into weird things. I don't know why we
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: do what we do around here, but we do. Hello,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Scott metalhead, a little late to the party, might want
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: to rewind. I don't know if you really want to
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: hear this story. Actually, have you just found us? I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is a good way to introduce
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: you to us, But here we are talking about weird
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: stuff and weird crime. So anyway, I will never look
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: at shiny shoes the same.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: No, why do you think that was, you know, I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: just I think it's like daddy isshoes. Probably he started
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: with his uncle and his dad's shoes, right, yeah, So
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless it's just kind of like.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: An early coming to terms with the sexuality, like conflating
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: those shoes with masculinity.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm major from fashion design.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to read more about this guy,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: to be honest, and surely won't know.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: But Letters from an Arsonist is amazing, and that's that
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: is from his point of view. I mean, because it
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: is this journalist reading letters from this guy while he's
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: in prison. But there's also a six or seven part
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: podcast that's just called Arson and that is all of
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: the task course, like giving their side of the story.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Fascinating. I'm probably going to go read and watch that
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: stuff over the next couple of weeks for sure, because.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: They're both really good.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: The podcast especially like it goes into such minute detail
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: and it's all these different you know, it's like the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: DNA person like that. You know, it's like every there's
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: people that are not in here because we couldn't fit
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: into the time frame. If you were wondering who the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: black widow was, Teresa stoop.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Also, the things she did were a little more removed,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: so she didn't make them the story.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, oh wow, And to have so many different
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: motives and reasons for doing it is very peculiar and weird.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. All right. Well,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: let's go ahead and wrap up because we are a
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: little over time tonight. But I think you guys understand
• 1:35:39
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• 1:35:43
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• 1:35:46
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• 1:35:49
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• 1:35:53
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• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: They're kind of crazy right now. Apparently I said some
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: stuff that Capin couldn't handle this morning, but she was like,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Capin told for you Lola's mom, Well, I'm not gonna
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: finish that.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Oh I remember what I said last night? Yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: I couldn't catch the live stream for the most part,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: so I watched it by myself later with no chat
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: and was just like, what is happening this chat?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Loma's mouth is blue, like Terry possibly fell asleep on stream?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: She did, Yeah, she was on a lot of pain
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: pulling off her.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she had a good reason, but I was and
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: they kept bringing me up talking about I'll defeat something
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: highly questionable I need to talk about I don't know
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: privately with him.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: It was a hot dog from it. Oh. I was
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: just saying, I thought you would like the Ken Allen
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: a Rangon Tang story. Yeah, I feel like you would
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: have an Orain Gang shirt.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. It was kind of
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: freaked me out.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, but you, as I have shared with you, I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: do love Coco. I love Coco and the cat I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: grew up on that.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: That was DC checking.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Savage is our security. He bets everybody that comes in.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. He doesn't do that, but he apparently
• 1:37:20
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• 1:37:26
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• 1:38:15
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• 1:38:23
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• 1:38:26
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• 1:38:30
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• 1:38:32
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• 1:38:35
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• 1:38:37
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  Speaker 3: For I think yeah, I think it should be read
• 1:38:41
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• 1:38:51
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• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, Now, if you need more of Terry
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• 1:39:01
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• 1:39:21
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• 1:39:26
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• 1:39:32
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• 1:39:49
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• 1:39:53
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• 1:39:57
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• 1:39:59
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• 1:40:01
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• 1:40:05
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• 1:40:09
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• 1:40:12
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• 1:40:17
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• 1:40:20
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• 1:40:23
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• 1:40:25
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• 1:40:29
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• 1:40:31
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• 1:40:35
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• 1:40:38
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• 1:40:45
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• 1:40:47
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• 1:40:52
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• 1:40:57
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  Speaker 3: It's a Dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Dynasty, but it does start with a D,
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  Speaker 2: but not the D that We're probably all thinking since
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  Speaker 2: it's a sex case, not freak off de But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to become a member on our YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 2: Terry and I are doing members only live shows every
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday night for the month of June at seven pm
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  Speaker 2: Eastern and they are a lot of fun and we
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  Speaker 2: are going to be doing a lot of stuff for
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  Speaker 2: our members in July. So you can become a member
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  Speaker 2: by clicking the join button and select which tier best
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  Speaker 2: suits you. It is through memberships that we keep the
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  Speaker 2: lights on and the crime stories flowing, and unlike some
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  Speaker 2: other channels, when you actually become a member, we're working
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  Speaker 2: very hard to give you stuff, so we appreciate everyone's contributions.
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  Speaker 2: And if you can't be a member, that's okay. We
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  Speaker 2: have very generous chats who'd like to give memberships. If
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  Speaker 2: you go to join, there's three dots in the top
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  Speaker 2: right click that you're going to see gift membership, the
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  Speaker 2: preferences or something, and you just turn it on and
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  Speaker 2: you might be randomly gifted a membership. Ducks Dinosaurs is it?
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  Speaker 3: Is it the show Dinosaur from the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: No? No, And it's not Ducks or Dingoes or Duck Dynasty.
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  Speaker 3: Is it doctor Odyssey. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's got to watch the members only. How would that
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  Speaker 2: why that's so funny. It is not. It's not doctor who.
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  Speaker 2: Just let you all know it's not Doctor Hill anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's wrap it up, guys. It's lovely true.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, real quick. That's right on, Caucho. You
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  Speaker 2: don't have to pay to have messages read like on
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  Speaker 2: some channels. I do my best to show every and
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  Speaker 2: payments appreciated. Its are nice, but everybody I like to
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  Speaker 2: have them say something. Thank you Sam for gifting membership
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  Speaker 2: as well. Appreciate you. Okay, have thisaf again, Captain, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome Terry CC. We've got that membership. So in closing,
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  Speaker 3: happy June teenth, thanks for being here, have fun, make
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  Speaker 3: good decisions, and grasp a aut the root.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's all right, that's interesting. Well, thank you everyone
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  Speaker 2: for listening and supporting us. Until next time. Take care
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  Speaker 2: of your mind, take care of each other, and never
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  Speaker 2: stop asking the hard questions. Now go forth and be amazing. Bye, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a great night. Bye,