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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of Planet of the Spiders (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blump.
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  Pen Knife for doing quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to our hamster with a blump pen knife.
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  A Doctor Who Commentaries podcast.
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  Pete Lambert I am here today with two of the finest gentleman
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  that I know, Mr. Fraser Gregory and Mr. Simon Hart.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Hello. Hello, I'd like to talk to you
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  gentlemen about padding. And that's not the padding
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  around people's waist, but you know, gratuitous material in
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  Doctor Who's stories. Why am I asking that in Planet
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  of Spiders episode 2, I hear you ask?
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  It's just a coincidence, isn't it it?
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  Might. Be Is this the ultimate example
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  of padding in Doctor Who? Can you think of a a more
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  gratuitous example than this? Sigh.
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  No, Aaron, it's it's indulging your star who is leaving the
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  show. And even Barry Letts says in the
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  commentary that, yeah, you get to the end and think, well, why
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  didn't he just do that at at the start of this chase?
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  But actually, actually, I never noticed because you get swept
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  up, you know, it's it is what it is.
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  To coin that horrible, I really hate that phrase.
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  I don't know why I've said that. I don't like that phrase, but
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  it's, it's all right. You know, it's for, for this
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  story. It's allowed.
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  Right, either. It's the mother of all padding,
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  isn't it? It's the mother of all padding.
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  It's the mother of all chasinges.
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  And that is exactly what we want in this story.
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  Going back to what I said in episode one, this is everything
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  you want from a Pertwee story You know on drugs.
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  It's Bessie and The Who mobile and the helicopter and the
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  speedboat and the hovercraft and a police car.
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  Not just a hovercraft, it's a hovercraft going over a tramp.
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  Exactly. This is what you want from the
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  purple era. This is what you can't expect.
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  So this is when you are celebrating this era.
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  You do this. You have a chase in there.
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  But you don't just have any chase.
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  You have the biggest chase you can possibly think of.
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  And if it's padding, so be it. But my word, this episode is
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  glorious, Because we have a. Turned off to the right
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  Brigadier. In C and it's got Stuart Fell,
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  it's got Pat Gorman, it's got fucking everything.
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  Chubby oats? Then you've got chubby bloody
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  host. I know.
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  Well, my second. Question was going to be why is
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  it so enjoyable? Given that the plot doesn't move
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  on at all, but I think Mark Gatiss is it best.
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  He says a lot of very clever things about it in the
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  documentary. In the there's no sort of
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  narrative to the chase. It's not like, you know, you
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  have to in order to get to the next piece of equipment in the
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  chase that they have to go through anything.
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  It's like a relay race right there we go across the sea.
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  Oh, it just happens to be that that handy car just waiting
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  there, you know, It's almost like a relay race of vehicles.
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  Fuck me. I mean, have we ever had this
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  much location work in in an episode before this?
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  I mean probably if you look again at something like
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  Ambassadors of Death where they have that giant, you know,
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  ambush of the, the low loader with the space capsule on and
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  all the. Sea devils.
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  Yeah. But all of those, I think all of
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  those set pieces do have sort of plot functions, yes, you know.
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  Yeah, we've not done it just because we've queued up all this
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  stuff that pert we've seen while he's been out and about and
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  said, oh, I'd love to get this in the show, I'd love to get
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  this in the show, you know, and and so well, of course they do.
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  They're they're giving it to their leading man.
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  It's his prize. There's a glorious.
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  Thing on YouTube a video of Jon Pertwee to a stable colour to I
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  Need A Hero by Connie Tyler, right?
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  And it's all the things of him, you know, doing his James Bond
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  throughout the era. And about 10 minutes of this
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  episode's in there, because it's all in here, isn't?
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  It I mean that that was that sequence, wasn't it?
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  In more than 30 years in the TARDIS, wasn't it?
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  With all of these sort of perk wee bits with the with the James
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  Bond theme up to who theme mash up going on at the same time
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  that. Turned off to the right
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  Brigadier. Brigadier, Yes, we all remember
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  that line because of that montage.
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  But I think it's what I said in the last episode that I think
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  Barry let's his direction is strongest when he's sort of
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  focusing on the actors. Actually.
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  I think his film work in this is really, really strong.
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  Yeah, there's some very interesting shots.
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  So particularly when they're on the on the on the river shore
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  before the boat chase and some some really nicely lined up
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  shots of the the the location. So yeah, it's it's interesting.
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  It's good, yeah. Well, are you just prepared to
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  watch this chase in action then? Yep.
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  You might not get much commentary out of us because I'm
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  just going to be watching it, but yeah, let's go.
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  OK. We've got 20.
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  Minutes of adrenaline ahead. Ourselves while we go round and
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  round and. I'm.
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  Just we're the greatest hits. Yeah.
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  Especially that Homer. Bill.
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  My God. Well, somebody counters in then.
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  God, I'll count you as in this one in 54321 fly.
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  Concentrate. Concentrate.
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  I think there's a couple of scenes towards the beginning of
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  the episode, isn't there? Before we get into the chase in
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  uni. Yeah, because the Doctor and
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  Sarah Jane finally meets. Yes, right.
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  Yeah, I'll get this. Doesn't she say to him?
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  You never listen to what I'm saying.
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  Yeah, there's that lovely scene where she's she's sort of
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  talking about. So if the giant spiders on
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  Metabolis free are. Metabolis.
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  Sigh. There aren't any giant spiders
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  on Metabolis 3. Or at least they weren't do.
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  You think Do you think this, this story would have worked
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  back on Mars? No, I think it would.
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  Have been as inadequately realized.
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  I think because Metabolis, even I was going to do it metabolis,
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  because metabolis free is so much a part of two seasons of
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  Doctor Who and it had lots of mentions and things like that.
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  I think it is it. It feels kind of right that they
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  they go back. Yeah, but come on, Ziggy, Perky
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  and the spiders from Mars now. It's.
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  One of the most brilliant decisions of this story to give
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  the spiders female voices. Yeah, that's a great choice.
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  It. Means you get to bring in these
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  fabulous actresses, don't you, Maureen Morris and.
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  Kismet Delgar. Yeah, that's.
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  And that's a lovely and Usain Churchman as well.
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  I think the fact that they can lead those great heights and
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  nano people back was a savvy move.
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  I think you know we've talked or certainly I have.
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  This is the greatest hits of Pertwee and and there is just
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  that one thing missing, isn't there?
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  And that is the master. Yeah.
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  And it would have been the. The final game.
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  Yeah, it would have been the showdown between the mole them
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  both. But I wonder if if that would
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  have changed Doctor Who. If they'd done that and they'd
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  actually killed the Master off. I don't think anyone would have
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  brought the Master back. I think he might have stayed as
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  a pert. We era only thing.
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  Possible. I think probably.
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  Not. I mean, they kill him off a lot
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  in the 80s. Yeah, but they weren't doing
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  that. My God, this.
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  You bastard. Yeah, I think.
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  I'm not. I'm not necessarily sure that
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  killing off, killing off the Master would have been, you
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  know, to be on an end. All because certainly, yeah,
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  people are keen to bring him back.
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  I think if they went ahead with the plan to make The Master the
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  Doctor's brother, that might have been a bit more impactful
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  because we don't all know how how fans love, you know,
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  continuity bombs like that can. You imagine the show, though,
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  without, you know, Beavers and and Ainley and Gomez and Sam and
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  Dewan and and Pratt all right? World without Eric Roberts
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  dressing for the occasion in a boat.
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  It would be a sorry place. The question I was going to ask
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  is, is how much do you think Lupton fills the role of the
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  Master in this story? I think really interesting
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  villain. I.
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  Think more interesting than the master is?
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  Yeah, I would absolutely agree. I think the the motivation of
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  Lupton, because he's a middle manager who's been passed over
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  for for promotion, is so down to earth and prosaic and all of
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  that happens because he's an angry man at his lot in life.
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  I think that's. Very scary, yeah.
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  Doesn't I always feel like he's just on the verge of snapping,
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  of punching someone of you know, and I've kind of I've known men
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  like this. I've certainly known middle
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  managers that you know have been passed over for promotion.
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  I've been super angry about it. I'm not talking about me there
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  and. He's there to get in touch with
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  his feelings, yeah, in a way that that men in the 1970s
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  didn't and. Well, he's not.
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  That's the thing. I mean, no.
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  Everyone else is there. That's it.
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  He's not. Not do we get any of the stuff,
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  really. He's there.
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  For that I came half our power. But there is an aggression to
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  his performance, like where Delgado's all charm, you know?
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  Yeah, there's like. A lion?
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  Yeah. And that's he's not a man you'd
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  want to get on the wrong side of at all.
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  And you know, like he's quite violent as well, isn't he?
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  Yeah. And Barry, let's again in the
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  commentary he said there was a lot of John Deere in that
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  character where he was a man who'd been passed over for
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  something that that made him bitter and angry, and there was
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  always that element to him as well.
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  We got a row in a film, didn't he?
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  A big and he looked like James Mason.
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  Yeah, and some. And the direct.
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  The director cast him and the producer said no, we're not
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  having him. And so he was quite a bitter
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  man. Never.
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  Never. Recovered from it so.
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  It's so different from his performance as boss as well,
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  isn't it? Which is?
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  Playful and fun and but again, a great voice.
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  But what I like about it is it isn't like the clash of the
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  equals. It is in no way the doctors
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  equal like the master is no. But the spiders give him that
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  power. Yeah.
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  And a bit like, like you said, the bit on the banks of the
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  river in a minute where that fella's just there with his boat
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  and he comes along and and just. Jumps in, yeah.
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  I think he's great and and how they sort of prey on his lust
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  for for power and just or just to feel important, you know,
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  he's a bit pathetic, yeah. I think the thing that makes him
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  most like the master of my book is it's that classic.
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  You know he throws his lot in with an alien power which then
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  double crosses him. But then you get that brilliant
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  scene where he double backs and starts torturing the spider it.
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  Does. But after that, he's very much
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  just like, yeah, oh, I'm now just under the two leg and you
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  know, I'm just going to be like fodder for the for the spiders.
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  As the story goes on, he kind of Peters out and I'll think all
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  that's missing is. He's not needed to drive the
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  plot anymore, is he? No, that's.
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  All that's missing is the bit where he actually needs to team
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  up with the Doctor to save his own ass, which will be classic
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  Season 8. Is he killed?
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  I mean, I can't even remember. Yeah.
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  Yeah. He's killed at the end.
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  The spiders kill him. Sorry, the eight legs.
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  I wanted to say as well, you know, at the beginning of this
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  episode when the spider appeared, does Eddie Companion
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  do fear better than Elizabeth Slayden?
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  That sort. Of wide eyed fear.
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  She does. That's what she auditioned for,
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  though, wasn't it? Classic tale that, you know, the
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  one that would be. What was it?
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  What was her audition? Was it brave?
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  And brave and scared at the same time with Stephen Fawn.
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  Oh, it was Katie Man in that hat they were.
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  Imagine the, the, the. Oh, the hat stands.
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  Yes, that is right. Yeah, turning into a snake or
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  something. Yeah, and that's what.
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  One of the part is that she was able to play, you know, brave
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  and and terrified at the same time.
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  I like the fact that the story of Barry let's calling in John
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  Purway after he's already decided like yeah this famous
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  good and John Purway walks behind Barry let's and gives the
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  thumbs up like yes, let's have a.
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  So he cast his shadow, I think John Purway.
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  Well, yeah. Well, we've had a whole Sarah
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  Jane that was was sacked because she didn't get on with John
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  Purway. So was any of that filmed?
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  I've. Never know quite how far it got.
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  I'd be so interested, of course. Somewhere, yeah.
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  I'll see. Look, look.
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  And they're together. They're brilliant, yeah.
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  Which is in her second costume of the story.
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  And he's going, Oh, sympathetic. Resonance, yes, I'm.
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  Paying attention, Tommy went down in the cellar and Do.
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  You remember that? Analogous to the laser.
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  Dinosaurs where he's trying to get on with making his dinosaur
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  machine and then everyone comes in and he's like, oh.
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  Yeah and this is, well this is very like that scene where she's
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  been investigating the the people in who who've invented
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  time travel and and the doctor said Oh well there's also Sky
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  but no, he hasn't been born yet and yeah.
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  I think they're great. Can we be most repelled all
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  week? Grabs our ear and goes in you
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  go. Oh, look at her hat.
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  This should look cute. Oh, right.
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  It's Pat Gorman. Sam the Pat Gorman Klaxon.
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  Now, listen. To me, Fraser, I want to hear
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  the story from the very beginning.
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  Come. On oh, here we go, the chase
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  begins Here, Oh, Bessie, they're.
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  Given Pat Gorman lines they have and a close up.
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  Excuse me. In the word, this is Peter
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  Miles. Pat Gorman is not an actor, Sir.
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  It's. It is just that sort of end of
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  term feeling of give everyone a go and but.
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  I do love the feeling that unit is now just the Brigadier
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  Sergeant Benson and Pat Gorman to Polish all the cars and
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  that's it. There is no one else around.
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  But I do like. I think there's an end of turn
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  feel well, we miss. Monster.
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  As well. And yeah, there's a very
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  different feel to this from the time.
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  What did we miss, Fraser? We missed.
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  The mention of. The Yeah of.
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  Political officer when the doctor was in the trance until
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  of Sullivan. Woke him up.
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  The Brig was on the phone to the MO.
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  A chap called Sullivan. Never heard of him.
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  He's going to be very important. Who also missed a mention of the
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  doctor's old teacher. Yes.
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  Who he's seen in the crystal. All these things are going to be
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  coming along soon, you know. This is lovely.
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  This this scene is is wonderful. It's just so intimate with the
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  two of them crouched down, looking at the crystal.
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  It's it's really lovely and they're.
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  Basically doing that thing we do in TV now, it's like, oh, you
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  didn't watch that story, right? Well, we're going to catch you
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  up on what happened in the class.
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  There aren't any giant spiders on metabolis.
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  Free metabolis. Oh God, look how cheap.
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  That corridor looks. That's dreadful.
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  That's a dreadful flat, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it serves. Its function though.
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  Paul. Benton.
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  Well, he's always getting knocked out, isn't he?
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  That's what you want to see, that's.
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  Great. Though.
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  Look at them talking with him coming in in the background.
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  Yeah, and. Just in the background and
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  looking through the window and. There's some more good Duddy
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  Simpson music here, as he's sort of creep.
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  Who's playing the Queen spider here?
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  The. Queen Spider I think is Kismet
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  Delgado is. This the queen spider though.
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  Yes, no. Or is it queen?
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  Because no. Because the Queen possesses
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  Sarah, doesn't she? And she is on them the.
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  Queen still on Metabolis 3 and the strip box is trying to tell
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  me this is the Queen's. That's what I was.
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  Going to say I've got the subtitles on, yes.
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  I've got the same and it's not the Queen.
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  The Queen is Queen who possesses Sarah.
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  This is the other one. This is.
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  The other one that wants to arrival.
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  Of the Queen, yes. There's a.
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  Perfectly lounging in his chair there.
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  On the back. This is this is the oh, he's
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  Benton again. He's got thumped again.
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  He'll be up. He'll be fine.
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  Come on. I made a trap thankless role for
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  him. That's it, then.
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  That's enough plot for one episode we do now.
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  I think we should go running around now.
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  You know, I've just got a genre copter out here for me.
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  I've got the Hoover bill for you, Psy, right?
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  I'm fine. I'll take that.
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  You're going on hovercrafts well here.
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  Comes Dead Eye Lethbridge Stewart like a Stormtrooper.
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  Blasting away as usual. Yeah, you know that.
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  Sort of comment that Lethbridge Stewart got a bit dense as the
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  Pertwee era went on. I do think they started to turn
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  a corner with the green death and with invasion of dinosaurs
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  as well. I think they they they were they
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  were trying to sort of characterize him a bit smart
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  again or smarter. The nadir is the three doctors.
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  I think where he's just he's not.
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  That's the idiot. Look at that car.
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  Look at perk. Way look at that car.
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  Perk. Way standing up, I said.
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  Zoom in. Benton.
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  'S driving says Every time I drove Bessie, when it wasn't
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  driven by Perk way, every perk we was telling them off for not
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  driving it, right? It was a slight look of fear on
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  his face. There.
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  Yeah, Courtney was behind the wheel.
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  I love that. Benton's driving Bessie until
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  the Brexit move over, Benton are driving.
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  Why? Look at that date and it looked
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  dreary. It does I.
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  Think this has. Been a shot on different days
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  because the weather's changing from scene to scene.
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  Oh my God, look, really obviously.
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  See Bessie with Her Hood Up 3. Different vehicles already in
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  about two minutes. There we.
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  Look here with that helicopter. Clearly.
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  Jon Pertwee in that helicopter. Absolutely, these are.
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  Fabulous shots though from another car's point of view of
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  Bessie Gansk down those country roads, yes.
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  Yep, that's great direction. They're.
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  Clearly not driving there though us the Brigadier of Benson.
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  I'm not sure Pertwee's off the ground either, no.
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  But it's enough to convince you, and that's all you need was it.
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  Trenton who? There was a Fury from the Deep
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  where you know, he was supposed to be shot in the helicopter.
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  He was like, Nope. Nope, they're not going off the
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  ground. Nope.
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  In the wheel and spin it if you want, but you know, Nope,
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  remember. That Have you guys seen The
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  Avengers? Yeah.
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  Do you? Remember that one?
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  Where they're all in cars and they're going around?
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  Oh. Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Dead man's treasure. I'm.
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  Hearing that, I love that one. Comedy policeman I.
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  So I've got iron. Man in it.
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  That's. It or was it?
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  Was it like Thor or Hulk? No, Fraser, no.
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  Is he being clever? He's.
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  Trying to be funny. OK, it won't.
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  That bad lip balloon. Sorry.
• 21:56
  One does not try to be as funny as me or you.
• 21:59
  Know you, absolutely. Could speed some of this.
• 22:02
  Up and have the Benny Hill theme tune, couldn't you?
• 22:05
  Oh, I'm sure that's been done. Oh, here goes chubby oats.
• 22:12
  Yep. Apparently he has sort of a line
• 22:15
  in blue humour. I don't approve.
• 22:27
  I'm glad that got Oh dear, Oh dear.
• 22:34
  Even though I'm not that DRY, you imagine.
• 22:36
  Someone kind like taking their dog for a walk and saying all
• 22:39
  this shit. Fraser's there, You know, to
• 22:43
  walk in the dog to see the cows, and there's a hovercraft and the
• 22:46
  Homerville zooming boss. Oh dear.
• 22:52
  That. That is what's it called?
• 22:53
  A gyrocopter. Yep.
• 22:55
  Yep, it's. Very comical, isn't it?
• 22:57
  Turned off. To the right Brigadier.
• 22:59
  Again, he's turned off to the right.
• 23:04
  Have you been in any of these vehicles, guys?
• 23:07
  I've. Been in Bessie.
• 23:08
  Oh, back in the day. The Yeah, yeah, actual Bessie.
• 23:14
  Where? Is the home mobile now the home?
• 23:17
  Mobile was actually out last weekend.
• 23:20
  Someone brought it down to an event.
• 23:22
  Did you go? In it, no.
• 23:23
  No, I I I wasn't at the event, but that I saw pictures of it on
• 23:27
  Twitter the other day. I've been in a police car.
• 23:31
  Does that count? I've been in well, I've been in
• 23:33
  a police. Car razor.
• 23:36
  I love how Lupton can just hide in a ditch and run up to the
• 23:40
  gyrocopter. I mean, that's what good two
• 23:43
  and. They're literally. 200 yards
• 23:45
  about a meter away from them put.
• 23:50
  His Put his helmet on, get everybody, do all his checks,
• 23:52
  and then before anyone actually realizes that he's nicking, he's
• 23:56
  necking me. Plain be.
• 23:58
  Close. Well, that's.
• 23:59
  It well, he's well, he's he's getting away now because there's
• 24:03
  nothing else that can fly that's going to catch him, yeah.
• 24:06
  Of course. Do we have no hint of that
• 24:09
  invasion of the dinosaurs, though?
• 24:10
  Did we? That it got fly?
• 24:13
  Mind you, we've given the special effects.
• 24:15
  We've got no hint that it can fly.
• 24:18
  No, no, no. I think you'll find CSO or
• 24:20
  Chroma Key as it's known in the rest of the world outside of the
• 24:23
  BBC. It can do anything.
• 24:27
  Oh, I. Bless you, Brandon says.
• 24:29
  That every time. Doesn't she?
• 24:31
  Or CSO as it is. Doctor, we're flying.
• 24:34
  Well, of course we're flying. Well, why doesn't this work?
• 24:38
  Is it because it's been keyed in against yellow rather than blue
• 24:42
  and I? Think it's videotape against
• 24:44
  film, which never works well anyway.
• 24:47
  But so how did they get the footage of, like, someone's
• 24:51
  filming in the air there? Yeah.
• 24:53
  So, like, I get, I wonder if they filmed something from the
• 24:57
  gyrocopter while it was up in the air.
• 24:59
  Attach a camera to it. You've got the right, right
• 25:01
  area, or else it's stock footage.
• 25:04
  That's probably about right. The travel is.
• 25:06
  Right, it's a special effects don't really work.
• 25:08
  Perk is so cool. Be on the wheel.
• 25:10
  I'll just believe it anyway, exactly.
• 25:14
  And if Liz Slayden tells you you're flying, you're definitely
• 25:16
  flying. Exactly.
• 25:19
  So yeah, I mean, because I've got the footage of the car was
• 25:21
  flying, something must have been filming, yeah?
• 25:27
  Crazy I've got the. Next film Now Something.
• 25:29
  You could play the you could play the policeman.
• 25:31
  You've got that proper deadpan voice, you know?
• 25:35
  I'm just going home. I don't feel well.
• 25:41
  See, The Chasers got comedy. If nothing else, he's running
• 25:46
  out of fuel. It has.
• 25:47
  Got a bit of character too, but think back to Invasion of the
• 25:50
  Dinosaurs site that we did where the Doctors on the run.
• 25:53
  Yep. And that chase has got a lot of
• 25:55
  suspense. I don't think this has got a lot
• 25:56
  of suspense too. No, no.
• 25:57
  No, it is like you said, it's a relay race from one vehicle to
• 26:02
  the next vehicle. Do you know what props to Barry?
• 26:06
  That's for trying though. I know how he pioneered see it.
• 26:12
  So it's how we make TV now, you know?
• 26:15
  Yeah. Just a remarkably more
• 26:18
  sophisticated way of doing it. Yeah.
• 26:23
  Oh, I love these shots now as we go down on the bank.
• 26:27
  Love looked and running around with these like weed jacket and
• 26:31
  he's jumping on but look. At how we look, he looks like a
• 26:36
  desperate man and a bit dangerous, absolutely.
• 26:38
  And he's and he slips over. And I like the fact they keep it
• 26:42
  in. Yes, it's like hamster, a blunt
• 26:47
  penknife. You know, all the mistakes go
• 26:48
  in. Warts and all.
• 26:51
  It's a nice, it's a nice shot with the with the sort of
• 26:54
  rotting boat and the bits of words and all of that.
• 26:56
  It's lovely. And oh, it's Terry Walsh.
• 26:59
  They're. All here stunts.
• 27:01
  Coming up, I don't know, is someone going to fall in the
• 27:05
  water? And this is nice because the guy
• 27:07
  on the on the hovercraft is the guy who owned it.
• 27:11
  But he's not an actor, no. No, you could tell.
• 27:17
  Look out. Oh, no.
• 27:20
  Terry's in the water. He.
• 27:24
  Didn't even punch him. We just pushed him in.
• 27:26
  Mr. Hopkins has been zapped. Oh.
• 27:29
  No where. Is this this looks like a
• 27:32
  Christmas show. Ah, OK, the river.
• 27:34
  Seven, apparently. Oh, it's.
• 27:35
  Miserable in that water does. But there's some, there's a
• 27:38
  lovely, a lovely thing that they found some news footage.
• 27:42
  Fallen in the from the. Recording of this and he's
• 27:44
  falling in again. Oh.
• 27:46
  Bless him, poor. Terry Walsh Never.
• 27:50
  Mind him, he'll be fine. Nikki's of a craft.
• 27:53
  I think someone's done a super cut of Terry Walsh.
• 27:55
  And Pat Gorman dying. Oh.
• 27:57
  I hope so. I hope it's out there.
• 28:01
  Swim, Terry. Swim after your boat.
• 28:03
  That's. Right.
• 28:04
  Because Terry will be doubling properly shortly.
• 28:06
  So I'm. Not sure, Fraser.
• 28:08
  You know, I think this might be the single most amount of
• 28:11
  location work in an episode to this point.
• 28:14
  You reckon? Yeah.
• 28:16
  But you should have an. Episode, isn't it?
• 28:18
  They had. About 5 minutes usually, didn't
• 28:20
  they? And there's I think.
• 28:22
  I think The thing is is like all the location is doing one thing,
• 28:26
  you know, where was you think sometimes it's you're going to
• 28:29
  spread it out across members a couple of episodes you're going
• 28:31
  to have. I mean, obviously we've had the
• 28:33
  train station and like making Sarah Jane in the car and then
• 28:40
  we've got the house, yeah. But then again, we're not going
• 28:45
  to get a lot of location filming after this episode at all.
• 28:49
  They're basically. Using the the budget for the
• 28:51
  store this. Is it This is.
• 28:53
  You've got four episodes in the studio after this, so it's kind
• 28:56
  of like we'll do all of this and we'll Chuck it all this.
• 28:58
  So that's Mebes. Why it feels like this is the
• 29:00
  most is because we're we're watching sort of 10 minutes
• 29:04
  straight of it. I do think attempts are made
• 29:07
  unsuccessfully to suggest that Metabiglia is free is outside.
• 29:12
  You know those sequences. Fabulous.
• 29:14
  Thank you. But do you guys think then
• 29:18
  perhaps that some of this location work should have been
• 29:21
  saved for those scenes? No.
• 29:23
  Because looking at the dreary weather, it would have been
• 29:27
  awful. Why would you swap Mesabilis
• 29:31
  free for for a tramp being run over by a hovercraft?
• 29:35
  Who's the. Tramp against Stuart.
• 29:36
  Fell Stuart. Fell.
• 29:37
  They're all in this one, didn't they?
• 29:39
  They are. There's a question, then, Should
• 29:41
  this be Pig Bin Josh? Oh.
• 29:44
  You are. Are we ticking off the era?
• 29:47
  Yes, that would have been. I think that would have been so
• 29:48
  good if they just bought that one.
• 29:50
  What? What?
• 29:52
  Look at his comedy look to camera.
• 29:55
  It's very Hannah Barbera, isn't it?
• 30:01
  Simpson is is going to go for it and giving us some chase music
• 30:04
  and keeping it moving. You know what?
• 30:08
  I don't care how it looks so cool.
• 30:11
  Even though he's soaked to the bone, yeah.
• 30:14
  What was froughing around him? He's going a hell of a lick.
• 30:20
  I mean, he owned the show, didn't he?
• 30:23
  Oh, he. Did is was he?
• 30:24
  He remade Doctor Who in his own image and there are a generation
• 30:32
  of fans, and I know it it sounds difficult to believe now, that
• 30:35
  didn't take to Tom Baker because he wasn't Jon Pertwee.
• 30:39
  Yeah. Fans didn't like the new Doctor
• 30:41
  huts. I know.
• 30:45
  Where's Nocton gone? I think Tarasik should have
• 30:49
  covered that with a line of like, you know he couldn't
• 30:52
  before because dot dot dot. No, no.
• 30:56
  Sometimes you don't think of things that you can do until the
• 31:01
  moment is there, do you? You know, we all had moments
• 31:04
  where you think, well, if I'd thought of that earlier, then I
• 31:06
  could have done this, couldn't I?
• 31:07
  Bet I. Think it's just, I mean,
• 31:11
  obviously, yes, he could have done that.
• 31:12
  It's like you could have flown the the ring into Mount Doom on
• 31:16
  the back of Eagles, but it's not, you know, the best way of
• 31:20
  doing it. It's kind of like you were your
• 31:22
  last resort, isn't it? Yeah, because what happens is
• 31:25
  obviously in episode 3 has to have a lie down because of the
• 31:28
  knackered. Now we're in the spider and
• 31:29
  knackered because they've had the, you know, magically
• 31:31
  teleport from. I think the best thing would
• 31:34
  have been it was escape, but then they would have all their
• 31:36
  magic spider powers still. But now we need this little
• 31:38
  snooze. Well then I started with a
• 31:42
  question. I'll show end with a question.
• 31:46
  Is that the best episode of Planet of the Spiders?
• 31:51
  I I think the six might might edge it, yeah.
• 31:56
  I think it's the best episode with the chase in it.
• 32:00
  Yeah, I think you're. Right, so I think 6 is it's not
• 32:07
  a. Bad episode though.
• 32:09
  No. Jesus Christ, no.
• 32:10
  I mean, if all Doctor episodes were that fun, we'd be in good
• 32:13
  shape, won't we? But is there a reason why we
• 32:19
  pushed away from this, you know, in Tom Baker's first season?
• 32:25
  Yes, because it's been done. Everything has been done with
• 32:29
  UNIT and an Earthbound set of stories.
• 32:33
  They've done five years of this and you've got to change and
• 32:36
  you've got to keep moving and you've got to keep moving on.
• 32:41
  We all say it's a show that it never stays the same.
• 32:44
  And that's what makes the show something that we come back to,
• 32:47
  because each era does something different.
• 32:51
  So you know, it's like season five.
• 32:54
  Most of it is bases under siege. So what you do the next year,
• 32:57
  something different. You open the stories out a bit
• 32:59
  and go into space and you do do this or so.
• 33:03
  So here they haven't done a lot of space opera.
• 33:07
  Well, they've done a bit of space opera, but they haven't
• 33:09
  done lots of stories set on alien planets in a row and
• 33:12
  things like that and old monsters.
• 33:14
  So we're going to do that big time and then we're going to do
• 33:16
  some something horrific and and things like that.
• 33:20
  You've got to keep moving. I think the reason is also
• 33:24
  because this isn't just Jon Perkley leaving.
• 33:28
  This is Terrence Dixon Baroulettes leaving.
• 33:30
  And you know, it's and not just Tom Big coming in, It's Philip
• 33:35
  Pinchcliff and Bob Holmes coming in.
• 33:36
  And for all that the the star of the show has changed behind the
• 33:40
  scenes. We now have two guys who want to
• 33:42
  tell different stories. Yeah.
• 33:44
  But they do go back to the unit. Well, three times.
• 33:47
  Terror, the Zygons Android invasion, and Caesar Doom.
• 33:51
  But you don't get, you know, long protracted.
• 33:54
  The only time I think you get protracted action sequences on
• 33:57
  location like this is when Barry Letts comes back for the Android
• 34:00
  invasion. In those Are those really Unit
• 34:04
  stories though? Because.
• 34:07
  I'd say Terry Zygons is. Definitely is Terry Zygons.
• 34:11
  Definitely is, but let's not forget that is technically a
• 34:13
  season 12 story which is handed over from that's.
• 34:17
  Very true. Let's and.
• 34:19
  Dicks. You know the start off with the
• 34:20
  unit story and that would have ended with one if if the
• 34:23
  production had went that way. You know Android Invasion is is
• 34:29
  a bit of a it is, it's Unity, but it's not actually Unity.
• 34:33
  You look at Seeds of Death and that is also it's not got unit
• 34:38
  and it's got the Air Force. So there's no actual unit in
• 34:41
  that the way it's no. It's got Major Beresford, hasn't
• 34:46
  it? And yes, sorry.
• 34:47
  But it does feel. Sort of like a perfunctory end.
• 34:50
  That's it for you. Yeah.
• 34:51
  Yeah. But that wasn't the original end
• 34:54
  of Season 13. The original end was a big unit
• 34:57
  story, The Hand of Fear. Yeah, of course.
• 35:00
  And they were trying to get Courtney back as well, weren't
• 35:02
  they? Yeah.
• 35:03
  And they they considered killing him off.
• 35:06
  Oh, sure mighty well fellas, that was a fun chase through the
• 35:13
  English. It was.
• 35:15
  But now we are going. Well, it's shocking, but we're
• 35:18
  going to go back to the plot. What?
• 35:20
  No, there's there's no plot going on.
• 35:22
  It's not. Otherwise, if there is a plot
• 35:25
  going on, I'll probably go on for a couple of episodes yet,
• 35:27
  well, actually goes anywhere. Well, let's see what it's got to
• 35:30
  offer, shall we? OK, OK.
• 35:34
  OK. Boom.
• 35:35
  I'll come there.