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The Kenny Report | 21 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Ross, I'll be picking up on some of those issues.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. With the Israel Australia relationship
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  Speaker 3: probably in its worst shape ever, Israel's ambassador.
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  Speaker 2: To Australia will join me live.
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  Speaker 3: Oppositionally to Angus, Taylor lashes out at the decision to
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  Speaker 3: free an alleged ISIS terrorist sympathizer on bail. Federal public
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  Speaker 3: servants growing like topsy and working from home, no wonder
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  Speaker 3: the country is losing the productivity race. Donald Trump reaches
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  Speaker 3: out to the new British Prime Minister, also Barnaby's dog
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  Speaker 3: Obedient School, plus Tim Blair, Cuzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Timpey,
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking. We talked last week with author, commentator
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  Speaker 3: and political historian Paul Kelly about his new book The
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  Speaker 3: Twilight of Exceptionalism, assessing the past decade, or so Kelly
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  Speaker 3: rightly says, Australia's blow and the good work of the
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  Speaker 3: hawk keeping Labor government and the Howard Costello coalition government
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  Speaker 3: that made this country a standout in economic and budgetary performance,
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  Speaker 3: not to mention the social and diplomatic dividends of all
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  Speaker 3: of this and what it delivered.
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  Speaker 2: For us, this thesis is dead.
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  Speaker 3: Right, of course, We've gone from surplus budgets to endless
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  Speaker 3: deficits with no discernible gain.
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  Speaker 2: We've gone from a government.
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  Speaker 3: With net savings to a trillion dollars of government debt,
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  Speaker 3: again with nothing to show for it. Our productivity growth
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  Speaker 3: has plummeted as real wages have often fallen, chasing runaway inflation.
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  Speaker 3: Government spending is out of control. We've destroyed industries and
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  Speaker 3: vandalized our cheap energy advantage in a delusional folly to
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  Speaker 3: please the United Nations and pretend that a country with
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  Speaker 3: about one percent of global emissions can change the world's
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  Speaker 3: climate and labor. Administrations now see government programs and spending
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  Speaker 3: as the answer to everything.
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  Speaker 2: They are not. They are often the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Our only road back to prosperity is to be more
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  Speaker 3: efficient and productive. But there was a warning today from
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  Speaker 3: former Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe. He said that interest
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  Speaker 3: rates are likely to remain higher for longer given years
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  Speaker 3: of sustained wages growth coming without a productivity dividend. Without
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  Speaker 3: a productivity dividend, that's the key point. We all want
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  Speaker 3: higher wages, but if they don't come off the back
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  Speaker 3: of higher productivity, they only fuel inflation, making costs higher
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  Speaker 3: and most of us poorer. We need to get back
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  Speaker 3: to improving productivity so we can then have sustainable wage
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  Speaker 3: rises and increase our standard of living. Yet under labor
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  Speaker 3: governments led by their union masters, we're seeing working from
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  Speaker 3: home become the new norm, especially in the public sector,
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  Speaker 3: where AI should be allowing them to do more with less,
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  Speaker 3: but instead we have added forty five thousand public servants
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  Speaker 3: since labor came to power. That's thirty percent more federal
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  Speaker 3: public servants in just four years. And have you noticed
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  Speaker 3: government services getting any better? Well, no, of course not.
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  Speaker 3: And one reason is this. Even in Services Australia, the
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  Speaker 3: part of the public service most focused on dealing with taxpayers,
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  Speaker 3: with serving the public, nearly half the staff work from home.
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  Speaker 3: As revealed in the Senate and reported in The Australian,
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  Speaker 3: almost fifty percent of the thirty three thousand, five hundred
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  Speaker 3: staff in Services Australia have an approved working from home arrangement.
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  Speaker 3: This means that ten three hundred employees in the pay
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  Speaker 3: bracket from seventy grand to one hundred and thirteen thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars work from home three or more days a week. Incredibly,
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  Speaker 3: around three point six percent of the staff never go
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  Speaker 3: into the office at all, and over fifteen hundred executive
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  Speaker 3: level workers who are paid between one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: work from home three days or more a week.
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  Speaker 2: And how about this one.
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  Speaker 3: Three members of the senior executive service those paid more
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  Speaker 3: than one hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year or
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  Speaker 3: they work from home three or more days a week,
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  Speaker 3: three of them. So there you have it, more public
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  Speaker 3: servants than ever before during a cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 3: and the public servants are eating up tax dollars with
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  Speaker 3: wages and conditions much more generous than the private sector
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  Speaker 3: that funds them through its taxes.
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  Speaker 2: And even those who are supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Deal with customers are doing it mainly from the comfort
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  Speaker 3: and privacy of their own homes. The government is having
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  Speaker 3: a lend of us. It just doesn't have the spine
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  Speaker 3: to deliver efficient government because it's contra rolled by the unions.
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  Speaker 3: Next time you hear Albanezi or Charmers talk about the
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  Speaker 3: cost of living challenge, or budget pressures or economic headwaters.
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  Speaker 3: Just remember they're the ones making all of it worse. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let me lighten the mood a little bit. Even as
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  Speaker 3: dire as things are in this country, our national political
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  Speaker 3: debate often presides provide some light relief.
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  Speaker 2: Remember when Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Katter delivered perhaps the greatest news grab of all time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, people are entitled to the sexual proclimities,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, let there be a thousand blossoms blooms.
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  Speaker 4: So but I ain't spending any time warrant because in
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  Speaker 4: the meantime, every three months a person is torn to
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  Speaker 4: pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
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  Speaker 3: How we got from there to there, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But Katta has been given a run for his money
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  Speaker 3: now by the former Nownational's leader, former Deputy Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: and now Star one Nation recruit Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at how he handled the.
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  Speaker 3: Pressure in a serious ABC Live interview last night.
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  Speaker 6: Are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, it's a dog absolutely outstanding, wasn't it. I think
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  Speaker 3: that reaction suggested that the short answer to the question
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  Speaker 3: was yes, well, perhaps Barnaby was using the dog as
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  Speaker 3: a body double for the ABC interviewer Sarah Ferguson.
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  Speaker 7: I have to apologize for this dog which has decided
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  Speaker 7: to bail up.
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  Speaker 6: Don't worry about the dog. Just answer the question.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be rude.
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  Speaker 7: Don't be rude, otherwise this interview will come to a
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  Speaker 7: grinding Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: Either way, just like his One Nation leaders, please explain
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  Speaker 3: or Paul Keating's get a job or scow Moo's I
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  Speaker 3: don't hold a hose. This comment might end the annals
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  Speaker 3: of political debate.
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  Speaker 1: Frown, Sorry, it's a dog.
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  Speaker 3: Most of us found that pretty amusing. While some nutters
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  Speaker 3: out there have been saying that Barnaby was mistreating his dog,
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  Speaker 3: but his leader didn't seem to mind.
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  Speaker 6: I laughed, it's funny, that's Barnaby. You know, this is
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  Speaker 6: why I love the people around me.
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  Speaker 5: We're just human.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it got me thinking that this sort
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  Speaker 3: of admonition might be just what we need when people
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  Speaker 3: do the wrong thing in politics. I mean, our politicians
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  Speaker 3: need sharp words, don't they when they break promises.
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  Speaker 8: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Frown, Sorry, yeah, indeed the PM ought to be sat
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  Speaker 3: down on that one.
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  Speaker 2: What about this?
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  Speaker 8: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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  Speaker 8: capital gains tests? How hard is it for the fiftieth
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  Speaker 8: time frown?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Really who could disagree with that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean this is a government that needs some firmer instructions.
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  Speaker 8: There won't be major changes to superannuation. Where made no
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  Speaker 8: decisions about changes to superannuation?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, broken promises time and time again unless someone sits out,
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  Speaker 3: but Easy down, He'll never learn.
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  Speaker 8: And I commit here that every single year, as that
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  Speaker 8: I have the great honor to be Australias Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 8: I will be here and engaged with you.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry yeah, almost broken that promise too.
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  Speaker 3: Like an old dog trying new tricks, this Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: has just not learned. Alban Easy has never made a promise.
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  Speaker 3: He isn't prepared to break. It's high time someone set
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  Speaker 3: him down. Now back on to deadly serious matters. And
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  Speaker 3: it's now seven months since the Bondai terror massacre, when
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  Speaker 3: fifteen innocent people were murdered on a sunny Sunday at
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  Speaker 3: one of our most famous beaches. They were slaughtered in
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  Speaker 3: what police allege was a terror attack. Inspired by Islamic
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  Speaker 3: State shot dead because they were at or near a
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Huneker celebration. Since then, of course, our government, in
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  Speaker 3: its wisdom, has allowed people into this country from the
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  Speaker 3: terrorist badlands of Gaza, and has even allowed Australians who
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  Speaker 3: left here to join the blood curdling Islamic State Caliphate
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  Speaker 3: in Syria and Iraq back into this country.
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  Speaker 2: This has to be a security concern.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the returning women were arrested and charged upon
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  Speaker 3: their return, but yesterday another woman, Rayan Lahuli, a thirty
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  Speaker 3: four year old mother of four, who legedly joined the
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  Speaker 3: ISIS Caliphate a decade ago before returning to Australia last year,
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  Speaker 3: then being charged with terrorist offenses and taken into custody.
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  Speaker 2: Well yesterday she was freed on bail.
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  Speaker 9: She's accused of secretly traveling to Syria in twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 9: with her husband and their two children and joining ISIS.
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  Speaker 9: It's alleged she showed her children ISIS propaganda videos. One
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  Speaker 9: police image appears to show them with a gun. The
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  Speaker 9: now mother of four is also charged with remaining in
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  Speaker 9: a declared area of terrorist activity. The prosecution argued she
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  Speaker 9: hasn't changed her views and hasn't participated in a deradicalization program.
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  Speaker 9: Magistrate Brett Sonnett granting bail citing her being the primary
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  Speaker 9: care of four children. She's among four so called ISIS
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  Speaker 9: brides who've returned to Australia in recent months facing serious charges.
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  Speaker 9: Each of her two charges carried ten year maximum jail terms.
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  Speaker 3: This decision has generated widespread public concern and even high
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  Speaker 3: level political criticism. Federal Opposition leader Angus Taylor has made
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  Speaker 3: a strong intervention, taking to social media to say it's
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  Speaker 3: an utter disgrace that an accused ISIS bride has been
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  Speaker 3: granted bail by a Victorian magistrate. This decision fails the
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  Speaker 3: security test, the values test, the fairness test, and the
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  Speaker 3: pub test. The woman allegedly filmed herself indoctrinating her children
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  Speaker 3: with terrorist propaganda. No ISIS bride should have been allowed
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  Speaker 3: back into our country in the first place. The fault
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  Speaker 3: lies with the weak, morally compromised and politically expedient labor government,
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  Speaker 3: especially Anthony Albanezi and Tony Burke, who rolled out the
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  Speaker 3: red carpet for these ISIS brides. Wow, strong words, and
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  Speaker 3: I dare say most Australians would agree with them. We'll
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  Speaker 3: let the courts do their work on these and other issues.
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  Speaker 3: But as you know, I've been deeply worried for almost
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  Speaker 3: three years now that our federal, GARVM state governments and
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement authorities haven't been doing enough. These issues are
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  Speaker 3: crucial for our national security and we all ought to
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  Speaker 3: be concerned. But put yourself in the shoes of Jewish Australians,
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  Speaker 3: our fellow citizens, going to synagogue behind cement barriers and
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  Speaker 3: armed guards, sending your kids to schools protected by concrete
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  Speaker 3: barriers and armed guards, and someone who allegedly subscribes to
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  Speaker 3: the ideology that wants to kill them and others is
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  Speaker 3: freed on bail. How secure would you feel now in
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  Speaker 3: your own country? Like all Australians, they deserve protection not
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  Speaker 3: only from terrorism, but from hatred. I want to go
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  Speaker 3: now to doctor Hillel Newman, who's Israel's ambassador to Australia,
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  Speaker 3: joins me live from Canberra. Thanks for joining me, Ambassador,
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the country. I know you've been here a
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  Speaker 3: few months now, but it's the first time we've caught up.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask you first up with this alleged
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  Speaker 3: isis bride being freed on bail your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 3: security concerns of Jewish Australians in this country.
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  Speaker 10: Hi, Chris, thank you so much for hosting me. It's
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  Speaker 10: really my pleasure to be with you. Our thoughts are
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  Speaker 10: that one should always do the utmost to keep people
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  Speaker 10: safe and secure and try to avoid people who dipardize
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  Speaker 10: our security. But I think the issue of the Isis
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  Speaker 10: Prize is a complex issue with legal applications, so it's
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  Speaker 10: not relevant to our embassy to make an opinion on that.
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe that the Australian government has done enough
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  Speaker 3: to combat anti anti Semitism in this country since October
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  Speaker 3: the seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 10: I'd like to commend the government for taking dramatic steps
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  Speaker 10: setting up the Royal Commission, which is I think you're
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  Speaker 10: doing wonderful work.
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  Speaker 2: We heard of the past week.
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  Speaker 10: Our people who appear before the Royal Commission and are
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  Speaker 10: free to state their opinions, to state what they have
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  Speaker 10: been through as an important process for the Australian public
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  Speaker 10: to also understand what we're talking about. In this aspect
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  Speaker 10: of anti Semitism. There's always more one can do. I
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  Speaker 10: think one aspect which is important is one needs an
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  Speaker 10: understanding that anti Zionism is just a manifestation of a
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  Speaker 10: modern anti Semitism. You know, some people try to draw
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  Speaker 10: a wedge between hatred of Jews and the hatred of
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  Speaker 10: the Jewish state, but the truth is that it's the
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  Speaker 10: same phenomena. It's just a manifestation of that same anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 10: The way they operate to double standards and demonized Israel
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  Speaker 10: and singled out Israel in one sided fashion, this is
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  Speaker 10: just a manifestation of anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a trick.
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  Speaker 3: It's a dividing trick if your posionism, your post Jews
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  Speaker 3: having a safe homeland in the Middle East, which of
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  Speaker 3: course goes against what not only the United Nations, but
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  Speaker 3: most countries have decreed in the past. I do want
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  Speaker 3: to go back to the horrors of October the seventh.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you weren't in Australia at the time, but
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  Speaker 3: you'll be aware of these scenes just two days later
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney. Now, were you meaning the Israeli government surprised
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  Speaker 3: that there was no police action after that event, There
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  Speaker 3: were no arrests, there were no charges. Do you fear
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  Speaker 3: that that gave the wrong signal?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 2: At the outset.
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  Speaker 10: You know, this demonstration which you just showed right now
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  Speaker 10: is one of the prime proofs of the fact that
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  Speaker 10: these demonstrations against Israel i'm not legitimate criticism of any kind.
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  Speaker 10: You know, this demonstration took place two days after the
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  Speaker 10: Kamas attacked Israel, and they demonstrated against Israel even before
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  Speaker 10: one Israeli soldier went into Gaza to start the counter
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  Speaker 10: offensive against Hamas. So what you have here is a
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  Speaker 10: demonstration celebrating the slaughter of Jews. And this is something
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  Speaker 10: which is so important for the Australian public to understand
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  Speaker 10: that this criticism that we hear out there all the
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  Speaker 10: time is not legitimate criticism of the State of Israel
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  Speaker 10: for its policy. Anyone can criticize the policy of the
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  Speaker 10: State of Israel. You know, Israel is not going to elections,
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  Speaker 10: and we are full of criticisms and self reflection. But
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  Speaker 10: these demonstrations and these calls like genocide and starvation, of
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  Speaker 10: these false accusations, they are just a manifestation against of
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  Speaker 10: this deep seated hatred.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to go back to the response to
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  Speaker 3: that demonstration as well, because the points you might are
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  Speaker 3: absolutely valid, but this was also a threat to Jews.
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  Speaker 3: They were chanting f the Jews and where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 3: And some people even heard gas the Jews. So no
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  Speaker 3: matter which interpretation what you heard, this was threatening to
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  Speaker 3: Jews in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Yet there was no government action.
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  Speaker 3: Did that set the wrong tone, send the wrong signal
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  Speaker 3: from government and police authorities right at the outset?
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  Speaker 10: You know, General Burgess of a CEO said himself that
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  Speaker 10: there was some demonstrations that went beyond the red lines,
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  Speaker 10: and I think this was awakening up even for Australia.
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  Speaker 10: The more you tolerate these type of demonstrations, the more
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  Speaker 10: you tolerate hate speech, it doesn't go away, It just
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  Speaker 10: increases and accelerates, and then you have in the end
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  Speaker 10: things like Bondai and other attacks. So when I'm saying
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  Speaker 10: this also because it's so important now, when we hear
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  Speaker 10: this hate speech against the state of Israel, we must
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  Speaker 10: understand that this is again a repeat of the same
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  Speaker 10: hatred and we must act against it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to drill down into this, and
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  Speaker 3: because I really want to focus on Australia's response, so
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  Speaker 3: I want to show you what our own Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: said almost exactly a year ago now here's the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 8: My government has taken a series of actions to crack
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  Speaker 8: down on anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things.
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  Speaker 8: That we did last year, a year ago, it was
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  Speaker 8: to appoint Jillian Siegel as a Special Envoy to combat
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  Speaker 8: anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 3: You've managed, You've mentioned the Royal Commission. But has this
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  Speaker 3: government done enough to stamp out this hatred.
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  Speaker 10: There's always more that one can do, and I wish
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  Speaker 10: to stress the actions that have been taken. I'm not
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  Speaker 10: focused on the past, on the actions that haven't been taken,
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  Speaker 10: because we must look forward towards the future. And I
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  Speaker 10: think there has been an awakening, especially after Bondai. But
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  Speaker 10: one must understand that this hatred does not go away
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  Speaker 10: on its own. One must act against it. This is
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  Speaker 10: not just criticism, this is hatred, deep seas at hatred.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me show you then what Anthony Albernezi again,
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  Speaker 3: This was again last year. This was September last year
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  Speaker 3: at the United Nations General Assembly in New York City,
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  Speaker 3: and this is when Australia made a very significant decision
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  Speaker 3: when it came to the Middle East situation.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 8: We must choose a different path. We must break this
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  Speaker 8: cycle of violence and build something better. Yesterday Australia recognized
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  Speaker 8: the state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 3: Given what was occurring at that time with attacks on
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  Speaker 3: Israel from Hamas, from Hesbalah, from the Hutis and directly
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  Speaker 3: from Iran, Was that not the worst possible time to
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  Speaker 3: recognize a so called Palestinian state And did it not
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  Speaker 3: reward terrorism?
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  Speaker 2: In Israel's eyes?
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  Speaker 10: That was a mistake. We said so clearly at the time,
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  Speaker 10: and we continued to see so because it was perceived
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  Speaker 10: as a prize for terrorism. Taking such a step just
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  Speaker 10: after Israel had been attacked was certainly perceived in the
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  Speaker 10: Araban Muslim world, radical Arab Muslim worl that was seen
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  Speaker 10: as a prize for terrorism. And it's as if that's
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  Speaker 10: the way to get things done instead of talking directly
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  Speaker 10: like Israel did through the Oslo process, we were trying
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  Speaker 10: to reach a resolution of the conflict going forward and
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  Speaker 10: unilaterally recognizing a Palestinian state when the Palestinian entity does
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  Speaker 10: not stand to any international standard of a state and
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  Speaker 10: continues to glorify terrorism and even pay terrorists through the
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  Speaker 10: pay for Slay a program that they have and I
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  Speaker 10: can enumerate many other aspects of why the Palestinian entity
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  Speaker 10: cannot be recognized right now as a Palestinian state of
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  Speaker 10: any kind.
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  Speaker 2: We believe that it was a mistake.
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: You know, Israel, since it's a re establishmenteen nineteen forty eight,
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: extended its hand in peace and friendship with the entire
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: international community, including the Arab and Muslim world, and our neighbors,
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: the Palestinians. It was they that rejected our hand of
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: peace time and time again. They rejected, they rejected the
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: existence of Israel in any borders, and that is the
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: root of the conflict in the Middle East. It takes
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: time for people to understand that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Apparently, if that decision by Australia was rewarding terrorism, does
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: it bear any connection to the worst terrorist attack on
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Australian soil three months later at Bondai.
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: I cannot draw a direct correlation, a direct line between
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: the two. One thing is a policy and the other
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: thing is anti Semitism. I think the policy aspect of
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: recognizing a Palestinian state at such a stage was a mistake.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: I cannot draw a direct line and say that's what
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: caused Bondai. But I think that tolerance for anti Semitism
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: a prolonged tolerance of anti Semitism can bring Bondai, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: a prolonged tolerance also for anti Zionism can also bring
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: about difficult circumstances in the future.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Your country has a deserved reputation for admirable intelligence on
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: terrors matters and for counter terrorism actions. Are you cooperating
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: with Australia. Have you been involved on either assisting Australia,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: advising or sharing information in response to the Bondai terrorism
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and attack and into and in efforts to make sure
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: it's not repeated in this country.
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: Yes, you know, we're on the cutting edge of technology
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: in general, in innovation which touches every aspect of every
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: human life, from health to agriculture, to water to defense systems.
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: Our defense systems are the most sophisticated, I think in
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: the world right now, and they're proven to be one
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: hundred percent above ninety percent capable and adequate. We are
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: willing to share our knowledge and experience with Australia because
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: we see Australia as a share value orientated country. We
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: share the same values we go back in time. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: the ANZAC forces fought together with Jewish leagues in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: redemption of the Ottoman Empire, which paved the way for
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: the Jewish state. Again, we see Australia as a close
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: ally and friend, and therefore we are prepared to share
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: of knowledge and experience in the defense systems which Australia
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: needs either Australia canlo.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Are you hoping to combat terrorism in Australia now, though
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: we know that you've shared intelligence in the past which
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: has thwarted an airline tech connected to Australia. Are you
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: sharing intelligence with Australia now to combat terrorism post BONDI.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: We don't usually go into specific details of what we
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: do and don't do, especially in the intelligence field, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: I can just tell you that we are willing and
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: ready to share in any way we can with Australia.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Has the relationship between Australia and Israel ever been in
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: a worse state than it is now?
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: Well, I think it's no secret that the relations have
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: gone down over the past two years, especially we spoke
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: before about the aspect of the recognition of the Palestine
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: in state, which was taken by Israel as an offense
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: and a mistake. But I believe that we can go
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: back to the fundamental relationship, the shared values. We must
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: go back to that. Les look at the big picture
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: of the fundamental relationship of the shared values. You know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: Israel is now going to elections. The one and only
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: state in the entire addle least which has genuine elections
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: and is a genuine democracy and upholds the values that
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: Australia believes in.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Is Israel.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: The only state in the entime atle least where the
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: Christian population grow and prosper is Israel. So we are
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: the friend and the ally of Australia.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I just want to show you the front page of
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: today's Australian newspaper and the story there suggesting that Israel's
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: very concerned about motions to go to the weekends IOP
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: national conference, that there could be even more anti Israel
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: pro Palestinian policy directives given to the party, and that
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Israel is prepared to retaliate against Australia.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Would you like to expand on that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: I tell you.
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: We see the ALP convening and there are aspects on
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: the agenda which are of concern, especially the fact that
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: there are thoughts even to remove the requirement of disarming
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: the Hamas or the reforms in the Palestinian authority we
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: lay the paper just in order to inform. We're not
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: starting to argue with anyone or trying to slam anyone
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: or criticize anyone. We're just laying the facts down informing
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: the public so that they make and educate the decision.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: Sometimes people are fed the misinformation, disinformation lies in fabrications,
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: and they don't really understand the real situation. They believe
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: false slogans like genocide in Gaza or aspects like that,
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: which are totally false, and therefore they come to wrong decisions.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: So we decided just to put down a paper which
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: lays the facts down for their consideration to make an
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: educle the decision.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just want to show you something that the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: chairman of the ABC told me on this program last
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: week when it came to the ABC's Middle East coverage.
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: Have a look, the ABC has bent over backwards to
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: try to reflect the diversity of views in relation to
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: really really unpleasant conflicts that persist in the Middle East,
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: and to do so in a way that reflects the
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: best principles of objective journalists.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: There's so much else I'd like to ask your Ambassador,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: but we are running out of time.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: So in summery.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I wonder if you could answer the question related to that,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: that is, are you happy with the way that the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: national broadcaster in this country has covered Israel and the
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Palestinian conflict with some of its errors and the accusations
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of bias and then more generally given there is so much,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: in my view, misinformation directed against Israel about genocide and
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: starvation and targeting civilians and the like. Why has Israel
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: lost that propaganda war so convincingly in Western media?
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: Well, no, I'm not happy about the way things are
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: covered in the media. Many outlets that just swallow up
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: false information. They quote Ramas sources as if Camas is
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: a reliable source. One of our problems you asked about
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: our problem in the in the pr or in the media.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: Our problem is that we are trustworthy.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: We are a state.
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: We will only say something unless we are one hundred
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: percent credible in what we say, and we have enemies
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: out there who are prepared to spread lies and fabrications
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: when they're when someone is injured, for instance, a Palestinian child,
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: for instance, is injured, injured, that immediately spread a massacre.
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: Israel killed, Israel did this, Israel did that, and it
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: takes time until we find the exact facts of the
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: situation and release them. In most cases, it was not
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: Israel's fault at all that that brought about that circumstance.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: So you have a situation where you have an underhand
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: in that it takes you time to check the fact.
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: But our enemies don't have credibility at all, They don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: need transparency at all. They just spread their lives freely.
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: The same goes for genocides, starvation and other accusations which
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: they just shoot out there. You know, A good example
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: of ABC you mentioned before is the fact that they
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: just quoted that fourteen thousand babies are going to die
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: within forty eight hours in Gaza. Of course, it was
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: no truth, completely false. And this is an aspect where
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: we have to battle all this time, not only the
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: physical front, but also the public front, where people just
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: spread lies and fabrications and we have to go and
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: prove that it's incorrect.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Ambassador, thanks so much for joining us. So I appreciate your.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Time and I hope your time in Australia is prosperous
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: for both.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Of our nations. I appreciate it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: Thank you very much, Chris, best wishes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Doctor Hillel Newman there, who's the ambassador to Australia from Israel.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: We better get to a break on the other side
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: of to catch up with Tim Blair check in on
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: some of Chris Bowen's latest spending spree when it comes
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to the cop.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Climate change talk fest. Lat's catch up with.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair and his real man cave in the wim
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Or district of Victoria. Tim, I'm just thinking with the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: news today about Chris Bowen getting ready to splurge millions
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: on climate talks in Fiji. He might give you a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: call to see if he rubb you through your shirt collection.
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: Well, I am dressed like a politician on a bad junkut,
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: aren't I. But it's a look and I'm working with it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: I love how Chris Bowen is always telling us, how,
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: you know, renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: But Bowen and his mates can't even an organize a
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: chat in a hall, which is all that COP is,
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: without it costing tens of millions of dollars. They can't
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: organize a conversation without everyone suffering a massive financial hit.
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: It's the way this thing goes every single time. Follow
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: the money and nothing greed ever works.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they try and pretend that the Pacific nations are
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: going to be flooded by rising seawaters, so they jump
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: on jets and all flight to Fiji and play two
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: pay up to twelve hundred dollars a room to talk nonsense.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: It's inconceivable, and he just does it shamelessly on our money.
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, I do love as well in the time that
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: we've heard repeatedly in recent decades that these Pacific islands
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: are going to be swallowed up by the oceans, that
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: they've opened new airports. So you know they don't believe
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: it themselves, Chris, You know they don't believe it. It's
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: just a really convenient way to get some extra cash.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It's a way to put the pressure on us for
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: more cash. There is no doubt about that. Meanwhile, our
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: electricity prices keep going up, and there's a ripping yarn
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: in your own paper today in the Daily Telegraph saying
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: that there's a push on to increase put a lot,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: effectively a levy on all of our power bills to
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: help pay for EV chargers. So anyone who's driving electory,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: so we subsidize the EV drivers even more than we're
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: already subsidizing them.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: I call this sort of thing the Teal tax, where
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: you get, you know, we get to pay for very
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: wealthy people to indulge their climate climate credentials. So your
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: Teal voters, your Teal candidates for that matter, pumps around
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: in EV's and have a ton of money to spare.
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: But instead of them investing in EV charging technology, instead
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: of them investing perhaps in the modern equivalent, they would
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: have us believe of pederal stations. They want all of
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: us to pay for it instead, you know, money, we
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: your mouth. These guys like, if you're going to believe
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: in EV's, spend on the infrastructure yourselves.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's the best way to go, the cheapest energy,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: the best cars, the just knock yourself out. Just don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: send the bill to me. Hey, I want to jump
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to us politics. Are going to get back into it
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: with Kristen Tate later in the show, but you've brought
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: into it suggesting that Marco Rubio could be the perfect
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: successor for Donald Trump. Let's have a listen to the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Secretary of State.
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: This is a distinctive and unique evil. It has always
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: been driven by a hatred above all else. A hatred
• 32:07
  Speaker 13: for civilization itself. It is a revolt of the worst
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: against the best, a revolt of the weak and the
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: cowardly against the strong and the good. It is perpetrated
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: by those who cannot build, who cannot create, who cannot
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: achieve great things, and take their revenge upon the world
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: for their own inadequacy by seeking to destroy those who can.
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: This is what radical leftism is.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Maka Rubio thereon radical leftism. I mean, I think this
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: is the key point. Then you're onto it. You like Rubio,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I think he's very good as well. I also think jd.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Vance is very is a strong performer either way. If
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Trump has to disappear in two years, sure, but a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: lot of those policy trends can continue for some time
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: on the back of one of those two.
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, it's a pretty solid bench when you think about it,
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: especially when you compare it to the Democrats, where Kamala
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: Harris is still considered the number one contender. I mean,
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: you know, the Republicans would be quite happy for that matchup.
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: The thing that impresses me a lot about Rubio is
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: we certainly did need Donald Trump to use his battering
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: ram ego and energy to smash Aside a lot of
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: left wing lunacy. But I think a great way to
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: follow that up is with a lot of intellectual and
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: ideological muscle, and I think Marca Rubio represents that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, spot on, Rubio advance both big intellects and both
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: great life stories as well. But just in case they
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: get off track, if in case anyone wanders off peace
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: in the US, so maybe they need this blake to
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: help them out a bit.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think, sorry, it's a dog.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be one of the great moments, Tim' he
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't mess around with the navy Pamby, you know who's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: a good boy.
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: Like, it's straight to that sit down with a bit
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: of effort in it. Australian television is great and this
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: sort of stuff sells massively well overseas, where it just
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: makes everyone smile. In Australia it's like, oh my god,
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: he's so unstates been, like yelling at a dog. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: kind of think it's good. I think it's an illustration
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: the man as he is.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's great.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: And you can stand down now, Tim, Thanks, we'll catch
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: up with sit down, sit down.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Blair, I believe telegraph, and.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up with him on Thursday as well. We
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: better get to a break. After that, we'll be crossing
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to the US and I'll catch up with Kristen Tate.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Don't go away. I'll cross to our US analyst Kristen
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Tate in just a moment.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: But first, the US has pounded a run for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: tenth night straight.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Now, he's the latest from ABC America.
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: Tonight, US Central Command identifying two of the soldiers killed,
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: the youngest, nineteen year old Private Isabella Gonzales of Texas
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: and twenty five year old First Lieutenant Tyler Fihen of Hawaii.
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: President Trump vowing retaliation, warning Iran will pay many times
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: over for every American soldier killed. And tonight the US
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: launching new attacks on Iranian military targets for the tenth
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: straight day.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, this war is getting ever more deadly.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And as I put to Christian with the Hudis threatening
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: shipping out of Saudi Arabia now it could increase the
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: pressure on oil tride around the world, and that'll be
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: of great concern to Americans.
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: Of course, even before the news about the Americans killed,
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: only about twenty eight to thirty three percent of Americans
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: supported the war in Iran, and it's just looking like
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: this could drag on much longer than we were originally told.
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: And you know, we cover really important midterm election coming
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: up here, midterm elections where the Republicans' majority is at stake,
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: and it puts Republicans up for election in a really
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: bad position because right now, Republicans in Congress, they're being
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: asked by the administration to fund a war which they
• 36:18
  Speaker 15: never voted to approve. The administration just last month they
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: requested I think eighty seven billion dollars and in supplemental
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: funding that would include I think sixty seven billion dollars
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: in funding for military spending this year. But look, we
• 36:33
  Speaker 15: still don't know what's going to happen here. Anything could
• 36:36
  Speaker 15: happen when it comes to the Middle East. Everything will
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: depend on whether Americans believe this mission has clear objectives
• 36:43
  Speaker 15: and whether progress is being made towards those objectives. So
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: this comes down to clear communication from the administration and
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: a willingness to show the people that were willing to
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: do what needs to be done to end this in
• 36:57
  Speaker 15: a way that puts us in a stronger position than
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: we started in yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I think the important thing to keep in mind here
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: is how this is broadening out into a Shia versus
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Sunni war. This is not just about America or the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: West against Iran.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: With the Hoodies.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Getting involved now and threatening Saudi Arabian oil shipments, that
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: is the classic Shia Sunni divide. We've got the same
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: whether of Iran are attacking the Gulf States, and you've
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: all got the same with the Hesblara and Hamasa who
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Hamasa Sunni, but they're funded by the Shia in Iran.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: It's very much a regional conflict, not simply America versus Iran.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Here's the latest from the President yesterday.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: We had him very hard again today and we did
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that in honor.
• 37:44
  Speaker 16: Of the probably three it's probably three, as opposed to
• 37:48
  Speaker 16: to great patriots.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: This is the issue for the President. He couches it
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: very much as America versus Iran. But this is very
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: much growing into a regional conflict.
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: Many of these regional conflicts have been going on for years,
• 38:04
  Speaker 15: long before we started this particular war, and many people
• 38:09
  Speaker 15: here in the US just find it hard to believe
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: that all of a sudden we're going to be able
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: to resolve some of these conflicts. Many Americans, they don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 15: know anything about these regional issues. All they know is
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: we're sitting here in the United States. Our gas is expensive,
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: Americans are dying, and we have no idea when this
• 38:27
  Speaker 15: is going to end. So a lot of this comes
• 38:29
  Speaker 15: down to messaging by the President to convince the American
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: people this is worth our blood and treasure, and we
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: have a clear objective here, here's how we're going to
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: get it done, and here's when we'd like to have
• 38:42
  Speaker 15: it done by Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, let's go to the UK hi and look at
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the new Prime Minister swarning yesterday, Andy Burnham. Let's have
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: a listen to something he said as he took over
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: the rhines at Number ten Downing Street.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: Let us make this the moment when Written starts to
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: believe again, when Britain.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Starts to believe again. It's a bit of a mega theme,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: isn't it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: I think there are a lot of similarities between Vernon
• 39:12
  Speaker 15: and Trump. Not in terms of politics, of course, Trump
• 39:16
  Speaker 15: is way more to the right, but in terms of
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: style and populism. This speaks to a real hunger from
• 39:23
  Speaker 15: voters across the Western world for politicians who are real
• 39:27
  Speaker 15: and who can tap into that kind of just discontent
• 39:31
  Speaker 15: among average working people who are so fed up with
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: the out of touch elitists who are running their government. Frankly,
• 39:40
  Speaker 15: in both parties, on both sides of the aisle, there's
• 39:43
  Speaker 15: a lot of similarities between these two leaders. But I
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: would say it's more style than substance exactly.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I listened to Burnham's speech last night and it sounded
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: like the usual grab bag of a lefty plans, I think,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: but you're right, that's what they're after in England.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: They're after a new style.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has posted on truth Social He says the
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's got a big job ahead of him, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: he will be able to do it, and of course
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the USA will be there to help.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And he said that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: In their phone conversation and their plans for a meeting soon,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: they discussed North Sea oil trade, the military alliance, the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: d mining of the Strait Ofhillmaws, and many other topics.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: He said the call was interesting, I went.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Very well, and he wished to Prime Minister burn him
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: good luck and godspeed.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: That was from Donald J.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Trump.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Let's go back to Washington, though, and talk about baby news.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I think baby news is always happy news.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And the Vice President JD.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Vance and his wife have welcomed their fourth child, the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: baby boy, Alec Neil Vance and the Vance I should say,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: this is the first baby born to a.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Vice president in over a century.
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right. This is very happy news. Congratulations of
• 40:54
  Speaker 15: course to Jedi Vance and his wife. It's a genuinely
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: happy story at a time where there's so much division.
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: And I think it's significant because Vance is someone who
• 41:05
  Speaker 15: pushes those pro family values. He speaks all the time
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: about the low birth rate in this country and about
• 41:11
  Speaker 15: how that's really harming us. And yeah, this hasn't happened
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: I think since you know, like eight to eighteen hundreds.
• 41:18
  Speaker 15: I think under Ulysses Grants administration. His vice president was
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: the last one who was a sitting vice president who
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: had a child. So congratulations to JD Vance. This is
• 41:30
  Speaker 15: wonderful news.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Just very quickly because we'll come back to this in depth.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But if there's a choice between JD Vance and Maka
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Rubia to get the nomination for the Republicans in two years,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: which will it be.
• 41:43
  Speaker 15: I choose JD Vance every time, But that would be
• 41:46
  Speaker 15: a real, real hard choice for the American public and
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: I don't know that would be a close close primary
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: there between those two guys are both immensely popular with
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: the base.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll come back to that in more detail time. Kristin,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us again.
• 42:03
  Speaker 15: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Kristin Tate there, she's a JD vance gal. We'll see.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting question, isn't it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: We will discuss that with her and others over the
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: next couple of years.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break again. On the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: other side, Susie and Steven will be with me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I want to find out from when from them whether
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: they reckon our public. Our federal public servants are working
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: hard enough from home. Let's bring in our Tuesday chanel
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: now with Susio O'Brien, The News Court National Education editor
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: joins us from Melbourne, and Steven Center, Tempo breakfast radio
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: host to double Ce joins us from Canberra.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty keen to get your thoughts on these numbers
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: about the Services Australia Department. I mean here we are
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: employing an additional forty five thousand federal public servants. Susie,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I mean this is astounding given how we can be
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: more efficient these days with AI and everything else. You
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: don't want to get on this ridiculous sort of public
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: service bashing idea.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: We know we need them and many of them can
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: do a good.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Job, but how on earth are we employing so many
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: extra public servants and half of them are working from
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: home more than half the time. And we're kidding ourselves
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: if anyone thinks they're doing as much work helping the
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: public while they're at home as they would be in
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: the office.
• 43:23
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I think I don't actually mind an increasing staff
• 43:26
  Speaker 17: from Services Australia because a lot of those are people
• 43:29
  Speaker 17: who are answering the phones for sentilling, people getting sentilling
• 43:32
  Speaker 17: and so on. They're absolutely needed and we know that
• 43:35
  Speaker 17: they had massive gaps in terms of their customer service.
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: But working from home, no one learns anything from their cat,
• 43:43
  Speaker 17: you know. And to have half of their workplace working
• 43:45
  Speaker 17: from home at least three days a week, but that's
• 43:48
  Speaker 17: four probably four and a half days a week, it's
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: just bizarre. Like young people need to be in the
• 43:53
  Speaker 17: office and learning from the mature people like myself, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 17: also executives need to be there. How can you be
• 43:59
  Speaker 17: an executive earning two or three hundred thousand and phoning
• 44:02
  Speaker 17: it in from home. I don't get that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: It's astounding and I haste now add we all embrace
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the increased workplace flexibility, and especially someone like you, Susie,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: a working mum.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: No what it's like.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: My own wife's the same, serious job, serious commitments. The
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: ability to be able to work from home when you
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: need to is brilliant and it adds to productivity. But Stephen,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: when you've got half the workforce working at home for
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: more than half the time, when this is a public
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: facing department that's supposed to be in the office answering
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: phones and helping people out, it just doesn't add up.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: No, they're taking the proverbial Chris.
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: There's no two ways about it, particularly when it comes
• 44:39
  Speaker 16: to services Australia, because you need to be able to
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: go into a Senlink office and speak to a human
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: being and unfortunately, if they're sitting on their couch, they're
• 44:46
  Speaker 16: probably not going to let you into their lounge room.
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: But the broader implications of this is particularly here in Canberra,
• 44:52
  Speaker 16: is the local economy is tanking because of it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Civic, the main CBD.
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: Here is an absolute ghost town because public servants don't
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: go to work any more. Small businesses are going broke
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: because they're not buying their sandwiches and coffees anymore. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: the reality is we're not getting the extra level of
• 45:07
  Speaker 16: service from Services Australia that we should, despite all these
• 45:10
  Speaker 16: additional workers we've got. But if you're on over one
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: hundred and seventy thousand dollars as some of these workers are,
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: you're clearly in a leadership position.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: How do you lead a team if you're not with them.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Look, I've got one thing to say to you, Steven,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: about that Canberra Local economy argument, and it's this, sorry
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: it's a dog. No I happen to agree with your argument.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: You're right everybody if he said sit down, buffed. What
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: did you make of Barnaby's intervention last night, Steven. Did
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: you happen to see it live or just catch out
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: with it afterwards?
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: No?
• 45:47
  Speaker 16: I caught up with it afterwards, But I thought of
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: you straight away, thinking imagine what you would.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Have said to the dog. But I mean, I can't
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: believe it's news that well.
• 45:54
  Speaker 16: Firstly, Barnaby needs to learn not to do his interview
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: standing out in the backyard on a farm because animals
• 45:59
  Speaker 16: are going to get in the way. But I mean,
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: hasn't everyone you know what, I'm really disappointed he didn't
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: say get out of the house.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I think we'll just line up a longer version of
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: this before I get your thoughts on this, Susie. But
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: of course I would be the least likely person to
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: do this, because I'm the national president of the Dog
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Haters Association. But I know enough dog lovers and I've
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: been on enough farms over the years to think that
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: that exchange was very unremarkable, Susie. But the thing about
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: it was, it's not very often you see it live
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: on a serious ABC interview.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was brilliant.
• 46:35
  Speaker 17: It was so funny. And then the reporter is saying,
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: Sarah saying, oh, really, Bunnaby, the dog was no problem,
• 46:42
  Speaker 17: and he says it was to me, and.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: You can only just hear.
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: We couldn't even really hear the barking, but certainly he could.
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: I look at anyone who's done a zoom from home
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: and you're going to lock the dogs in the bedroom
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: and then somebody lets the dogs out, and you're just
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: hoping that no one knocks on the door. It's an
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: absolute nightmare. Look, I didn't really like the way he
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: spoke to the dog, but I totally support his right
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: to tell.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Her to shut up.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I have seen him being interviewed on Sky where I
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: think he's yelling at the kids in a gentler tone
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: of voice in his own front yard, and it's typical Barnaby,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: but it's very Australian. Let's have another look at some
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: of it in the more of its context.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: Are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I think, sorry, it's a dog. I have to apologize
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: for this dog which has decided to bail up.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: No worry about the dog.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: Just answer the question.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Don't be rude.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: Don't be rude, otherwise this interview will come to a
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: grinding Sarah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, good onim. She wasn't a bit rude there. But
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: when you watch it, he's really saying it's a dog.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: He's quick to point out, I'm not yelling at a
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: human being like this, Stephen.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Look, I mean that's what happens on farms.
• 47:59
  Speaker 16: As you say, it's unremind but I'm surprised that God
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: all of the column engines that did today. But I
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: think his response to Sarah Ferguson was spot on. Maybe
• 48:07
  Speaker 16: you should have told her to sit down, or said
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: sit down, buff ed. Who isn't that what the Prime Minister.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Says now at the top of the show. I liken
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: this to Bob Katos and some of his comments about
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: crocodiles in the past. But bobcatters back in the news
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: today he's suggesting that one of the ways to get
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: kids off computers and more into the outdoors is to
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: get them back into a bit of shooting. Teach twelve
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: year olds to get out there and shoot some bush,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: chunk or whatever. Here's what Angus Taylor's had to say
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: I think there's better ways to do it than that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 18: I mean, you know, as a kid, I used to
• 48:42
  Speaker 18: be on the bike the whole time. I still love
• 48:44
  Speaker 18: being on the pike. There's lots of ways to get outside.
• 48:46
  Speaker 18: And look here we are on the gold Coase. What
• 48:50
  Speaker 18: a great place for kids to get outside and enjoy
• 48:53
  Speaker 18: the great outdoors of this great country. And that's what
• 48:55
  Speaker 18: we should be doing.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's right, sous.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: There's lots of other things you can do than shoot.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: But I wouldn't mind betting growing up on a farm
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: that young Angus Taylor had a twenty two and went
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: out and popped off some rabbits every now and then.
• 49:09
  Speaker 17: Well, I'd prefer a double dink on the back of
• 49:11
  Speaker 17: a maulven Star and a double barrack shotgun. You know,
• 49:16
  Speaker 17: putting guns in the hands of twelve year olds, I
• 49:18
  Speaker 17: mean it is a bit ridiculous. And look, even on farms,
• 49:21
  Speaker 17: I mean a lot of kids aren't growing up in
• 49:23
  Speaker 17: that way anymore. I mean, kids, even on farms are
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: just as likely be on their phones and playing computer
• 49:29
  Speaker 17: games and taking out the feral rabbits.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: It was bad enough for me on the weekend with
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: my thirty four year old and twelve year old in
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: a nerf gun war, so we keep the real guns.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Right out of it. Thanks for joining us, Susie and Stephen.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Love your work. Catch up with you next week. We
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: are just about out of time. Thanks for watching so much.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: We won't get any of your feedback into the program tonight,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: but keep responding on YouTube and Facebook and on Instagram.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Will include you your feedback more nights than not.
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Coming up next is pre Quitlin and I'll see you
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night.
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: M hm
• 50:09
  Speaker 18: Hm hmm.