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- Lucas: So Sephora. When you walk into one of their stores, the first thing you notice is that there are no salespeople hovering over you. You can touch everything, test everything, there's no glass cases. That open-sell model sounds simple, but it was a radical bet when they started back in France in the seventies. Luna: Right, and it still feels different today. Most beauty counters at department stores are still behind a counter, you have to ask for help. Sephora flipped that. Lucas: And that physical experience is just one piece of it. The real engine of the brand is the community they've built around it, especially through their loyalty program, Beauty Insider. They launched it in 2007, and by now it's got tens of millions of members. That's not just a rewards card, that's a data goldmine. Luna: And before we get deep into the numbers, quick honest thing. This show is ad-free and it's only possible because a small group of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, that's literally what funds making this many of these. Lucas: Yeah, and we don't say that to push, just to be transparent. It keeps us independent, and that matters for a show like this. Luna: Exactly. So let's get back to Beauty Insider, because that's where the brand really started to feel personal. Lucas: So the program gives points for purchases, but the clever part is that it tiers. You have Insider, VIB, and Rouge. Rouge is for people who spend over a thousand dollars a year, and they get early access to products, free shipping, exclusive events. That creates a sense of status, and it makes the most loyal customers feel seen. Luna: And it's not just about the rewards, it's about the data they collect. Every purchase, every sample request, every online click. That lets them personalize recommendations in a way that feels almost intuitive. Lucas: Right. And they use that data to drive their online business, which is now a huge part of their revenue. In 2025, Sephora's e-commerce sales were up double digits year-over-year, and a big chunk of that came from personalized product suggestions and targeted emails based on past purchases. Luna: I remember when they first started doing that, it felt a little creepy, but they made it feel helpful. Like, 'Hey, you bought this foundation, you might like this concealer.' Lucas: And that's the line they walk. Too much personalization and it feels invasive, too little and it feels generic. They've managed to stay on the right side of that for most people. Luna: But the community angle goes beyond the app, right? They have the Beauty Insider community online, where people can post reviews, share their own looks, ask for advice. It's like a social network for beauty. Lucas: Exactly. And that's where the brand becomes sticky. It's not just a store, it's a place to belong. They have over a million user-generated reviews on their site, and those reviews are a huge trust signal for other shoppers. Luna: And they were early on influencer marketing too. Their #SephoraSquad program, which they launched around 2019, brought in micro-influencers to create content and connect with customers. That was before a lot of other retailers figured out how to do it authentically. Lucas: And they scaled it carefully. They didn't just grab the biggest names, they chose people who actually aligned with the brand, who were real beauty enthusiasts. That made the recommendations feel more genuine. Luna: It's interesting because that's the same approach they took with stores. They partner with local influencers in each market. So when they open in a new city, it feels local, not like a big box chain. Lucas: Right, and that's been key to their global expansion. They're in over thirty-five countries now, and they adapt the product mix to local preferences. In Asia, for example, they focus more on skincare and K-beauty brands, which are huge there. Luna: But there's another side to brand building that Sephora has had to navigate, and that's diversity. They've made a real effort in recent years to expand shade ranges and highlight Black-owned brands. They even committed to dedicating fifteen percent of their shelf space to Black-owned brands back in 2020. Lucas: And that's not easy. It's a real commitment, and they've been challenged on whether they followed through. But the fact that they made that public promise is a brand statement in itself. Luna: They also have a program called Sephora Stands, which focuses on supporting women and underrepresented groups. It's not just a marketing thing, they have concrete initiatives around entrepreneurship and mentorship. Lucas: And that kind of social purpose can be a double-edged sword. If it feels performative, consumers will call it out, and that can damage trust faster than not doing anything at all. But Sephora has done a decent job of backing it up with real actions. Luna: Let's talk about the competitive landscape for a second. Ulta Beauty is their biggest rival in the US, and they've done well with a similar model. But Sephora has the edge in terms of brand prestige, I think. Lucas: Ulta has more stores, and they capture a wider price range with mass-market brands. But Sephora positions itself as a premium experience, and they've been able to maintain that even as they've grown. They're also in a lot of JCPenney stores, which gives them a broader footprint without diluting the brand too much. Luna: But doesn't that create a risk? Like, being in a department store makes them more accessible, but does it cheapen the brand? Lucas: It's a balance. They've designed those shop-in-shops to feel like a mini Sephora, with the same visual language and testers. So it extends the brand without compromising it. And it gets them into smaller markets where a freestanding store might not be viable. Luna: Makes sense. And what about the online experience? Because that's where a lot of the personalization magic happens. Lucas: They have something called the Color IQ system, which uses a scanner to match your skin tone to a foundation shade. It started in stores, but they've integrated it into the app, so you can do it at home. That kind of tool builds confidence in online shopping, which is huge for beauty. Luna: Because you can't exactly try before you buy online, at least not the same way. Lucas: Right. So they use augmented reality for virtual try-ons, and they've partnered with tech companies to make that really accurate. It's a way to recreate the in-store experience digitally. Luna: That's the thing about Sephora. They're not just a retailer, they're a tech company in a way. They're constantly innovating with the customer experience. Lucas: And that's what keeps people coming back. They make it easy, they make it fun, and they make it feel personal. That's the essence of a strong brand. Luna: But there's a risk too, right? When you scale this much, you can lose that personal touch. How do they keep it feeling boutique? Lucas: That's the big challenge. And they've had some missteps. A few years ago, they were criticized for a lack of diversity in their executive ranks, and they had to address that publicly. But they've also made changes, and they're trying to be more inclusive at every level. Luna: It's a learning process. And I think that's a lesson for any brand. You can't just focus on the surface, you have to do the real work. Lucas: So let's zoom out for a second. What can other brands learn from Sephora? I'd say it's the combination of a strong in-store experience, a data-driven loyalty program, and a genuine community. They've built trust at every touchpoint. Luna: And they've managed to stay relevant for decades. They started in 1970, and they're still seen as a leader. That's not easy in any industry, especially beauty. Lucas: Yeah, and part of that is their willingness to evolve. They were early to e-commerce, early to mobile, early to social media. They're not afraid to try new things. Luna: Like their in-store events. They host workshops, meet the founder nights, masterclasses. It's a way to bring the community together in person. Lucas: And those events create memories and connections that you can't get from an app. That's the experiential layer of the brand, and it's powerful. Luna: So, what do you think is the biggest lesson for our listeners who are building their own brands? Whether it's a product, a service, something digital. Lucas: I think it's the balance between scale and intimacy. Sephora has thousands of stores and millions of customers, but they've found a way to make each interaction feel personal. That's the holy grail. Luna: And it starts with listening to your community. Sephora is always asking for feedback, and they act on it. That's what builds trust. Lucas: And trust is the ultimate currency for a brand. Once you lose it, it's really hard to get back. Sephora knows that, and they're vigilant about protecting it. Luna: So, as we wrap up, what's one thing you'd say to a brand manager who's trying to build this kind of community? Lucas: I'd say start with your most loyal customers. Understand who they are, what they love, and what they need. Then build your brand around them. Don't try to be everything to everyone. Luna: That's a good note to end on. Thanks for joining us on Building Brands with Fexingo. Until next time.