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Fired. Smeared. Now Free. Why This Doctor Has No Regrets About Walking Away | Dr. Sam Bailey · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Hey friends, James here. Just popping in to give you a little bit of an intro to our next guest,
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  Dr. Sam Bailey. So you're going to hear Dr. Sam bring up some what could be seen as controversial topics
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  and you're going to go like, why did James do not ask questions about X, Y or Z? Well, here's why
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  because I interviewed her husband, Dr. Mark Bailey in a previous episode. If you hear some of these
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  topics and you're like, well, I want to dig deeper into those, just go check out that episode.
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  This episode with Dr. Sam is more about, okay, what happens when I do take the red pill?
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  And now I wake up and I see that I've been in a matrix like, how does my life change? What
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  actions do I take to make a difference now that I see the world differently? So sit back, listen,
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  watch, enjoy this episode. I really enjoyed both Dr. Mark and Dr. Sam. I find them extremely
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  inspirational. I hope you will too. Enjoy and welcome again to every day, ancestral. He sat me down
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  and he said, once you say that, you're out of the club. I got fired from the TV show. I got smear
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  articles. I got cut off from friends and colleagues. You don't want your kids to be prey as they
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  become adults. But I'm also thankful. I'm glad that it happened and I would do it all over again.
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  It really was a blessing. It was a chef of 20 plus years. I've always been about taste,
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  My guest today is Dr. Samantha Bailey. Sam, welcome to everyday ancestral.
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  It's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you James. Yeah, now you spent years. I mean years inside
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  the conventional medicine, emergency rooms, cardiology rate, clinical trials, but at some point the
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  questions you were asking stopped being theoretical. Was there like a specific moment, patient interaction
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  or contradiction you experienced where you realized something about the system no longer fully made
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  sense to you? There was I guess two moments. So the first was a general unease with when things would
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  go wrong when you'd see patients. I couldn't help the person no matter what I did. That was a general
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  unease, but the real moment of truth, as it were, happened in 2020 when I really woke up. In 2020,
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  when coronavirus was coming around, Mark, he woke up first, my husband. He was a doctor too,
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  and he was always my canary in the coal mine. He found this book called Virus Mania, which was
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  about pandemics, and he'd been reading it and he sat me down and he said, fam, I don't want to
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  freck you out, but I think that viruses don't exist. And that was the moment where I really thought,
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  oh my goodness, the foundations of everything that I've taught has just been flipped on its head.
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  I can't even tell you how massive that what he said to me was because I wouldn't have heard it from
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  anybody else. It was just from Mark. None of us really do the research ourselves. We're just trusting
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  what we're being told. I mean over the last few years since 2020, like how do you even look at
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  the science anymore? Because in my unscientific mind, I look at the science and I don't feel any
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  trust around any of it. All the science that's coming out, at least from mass, from the mainstream
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  media, feels co-opted. I'm so glad you said that, James. I know. I feel that too. And it has been,
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  and you have to go into things with a very critical eye. A lot of what we do now is going back to
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  source publications from quite a long time ago. So, 1800s time, 1900s, depending on what we're
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  researching. There's usually one or two foundational papers, and I go to that, and I read it, and I see
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  what it says for myself. Contagion studies, you'd go back to the 1900s or so, 1800s. There's some
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  amazing books that have been written where people have done all the work for you. Like, can you catch
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  cold? Fantastic resource. They're what's happening right now with antivirus. I know this play,
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  because I've seen it so many times now, and I understand the production of it. You notice, I think,
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  particularly in the media, when everyone's saying the same thing all at once, you know that this is
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  too good to be true. Like, why is this happening? Why are they trying to focus my attention on this?
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  And that's when I just have those little doubts in my mind, and then I start going into it. And
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  usually you can find, well, at least with science, older papers that are the original. You're
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  totally correct in saying that most of the research now, it's just rubbish. It's absolute rubbish,
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  and I don't trust it. And so you have to be a bit careful. So, that's what I guess Mark and I
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  specialize in, because we're trained doctors, and we understand how to do it. So, we try and make
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  it presentable for people so that they can understand it. And hopefully, trust that what we're saying
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  is correct. But, and we provide the source references so people can look at themselves if they
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  want to. I mean, in a sense, for us non-doctors is the solution really just, because most of us don't
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  have the time to go to the sources, right? I mean, and you're so right, like, you have to,
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  you can't just go to the paper that they're necessary reference, and you have to go to the source
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  source. Even sometimes the references are incorrect. But for those of us that just don't have the
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  mind, don't have the time. How do you think people should guide this kind of new world we're in,
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  of mistrust? I do believe that a sign of someone that's trust worthy, as it were, will reference
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  everything. So, they should put it, give that information to you, and you can look at it for yourself.
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  I know most people don't want to do it and can't. They don't have the time. And you do have to
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  focus your energy, because there's so much of a distraction, negativity online. It's just
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  information overload that you think, well, where do I want to focus my time and my energy? And I
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  think it's being quite dissoning about, okay, I'm going to focus my energy right now on sunscreen,
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  or I'm going to focus my energy on something that's directly affecting me and go, okay, I want to
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  know about this and get into it. For everyone, it'll be slightly different. The people that tend to
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  follow us, like it's a real mixture, actually, I love that too, that feedback, that dynamic
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  relationship that you get, where people will call you out and say, Sam, I think you've got this
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  wrong. And I'm like, okay, yeah, let's have a look at this. Thank you, you know, is there something
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  I need to look into more here? Or something that you're completely unaware of? And it's just that
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  real growing that happens because it's a two-way street. The wake-up for me was reading that book
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  virus mania that Mark first showed me, and then later on in September of 2020, I was making my videos
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  on the theme of that of that book. The authorities came down very hard on me, so the medical authorities
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  said basically, I lost my, I couldn't work any more in this job that I'd had for 12 years. I got
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  fired from the TV show, I got smear articles, the medical council that regulates doctors
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  came after me, and they still are, you know, to this day. It's been a very challenging journey.
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  But then the author of that book, virus mania, who had no idea, I'd never mentioned the book
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  contacted me and said, can you interview my co-author, the German guys? And then I became an author
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  of that book, little things like that have happened across my journey, and I felt like this is the
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  right way. And sometimes it's hard, like I'm learning a lot of what I believe to be true about
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  health has been the hardest thing because it makes you reflect on the patients that you saw
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  on the choices that you'd made for your own family, anything. I wish I'd looked into this.
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  Why did I just accept it at face value? Sometimes the hardest part isn't that you're learning
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  your information, it's the reactions you get from your communities, you're at the time.
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  Was that the hardest part emotionally for you stepping outside of the conventional medical system?
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  The thing is when you're a doctor is that all of your friends are doctors. It's just the way it is.
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  I had very close friends who are all doctors. And as soon as I started questioning,
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  it was really COVID in jumes and talking, speaking, counter narrative to that. I got cut off
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  from friends and colleagues. And of course, people think I'm completely crazy. I thought that
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  the hardest part was probably what everyone else experienced at that time where you thought that
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  you had years and long, you know, this history with someone and that that would trump the authority
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  saying a different story, but it doesn't. They defer to that authority from whoever's saying that
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  narrative, whether it's 20-fouche or I don't know the government, I found that really upsetting.
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  It's just thinking, I've known you for 12 years and I've looked into this why wouldn't you trust me.
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  But I did also not really appreciate until I did it when I said I wouldn't get a vaccine if and
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  when it comes about, this is the coronavirus COVID vaccine before it had come. I said that in a video
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  and I didn't realize what a land mine that was. I thought I could just say that. And I know that's
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  really high topic. Yeah, but I thought you could say that and that people would go, okay,
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  that's her opinion, but I didn't appreciate that once you say that, you're out, you're out of the club.
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  How do you find inspiration and hope when you are somewhat isolated and bombarded with specific
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  emotions from people that just don't believe you? I used to worry more what people think about me.
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  And now I really don't care. The only person that matters to me, the opinion, and I can say this
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  truthfully, is Mark. I don't care about what anyone else says or thinks. It just doesn't affect me
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  now. And I don't know if it's just been exposure where people will go crazy and write emails to you
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  and say things. And I'm just like, oh yeah, I don't really have scars or anything from that time.
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  It was just, it changed me in a positive way. I'm so thankful that that happened because
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  there really was a blessing. It brought so many good things to me and my family. We live in a
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  completely different location. Our lives are completely different to what they were
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  six years ago. And I think I needed that. I don't think I would have worked in any other way.
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  It had to be kind of harsh. And I found my new tribe as it were, people that inspire me and
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  are truthful and good. I don't want to mean this to be horrible, but I'd surrounded myself with
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  kind of sycophantic people. People that weren't actually good for me didn't really force me to say
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  the truth didn't support me at times when it was really bad. I don't want that life that I once had
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  anymore, but I'm also thankful. I'm glad that it happened and I would do it all over again
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  if it meant that I can be where I am today. You guys go down this new path of questioning things
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  you're now leaving your careers as you knew it and forging new paths. But how did that play out
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  in your home and with your family? We lived in the city and like a city of 400,000 people just
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  in the suburbs kind of thing. We were trained medically so we used to at one point have nannies
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  for our kids. We'd both work as doctors and we'd see our kids you know they went to school
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  all that sort of stuff. I thought kind of what I ate was really healthy. Oh my gosh James that's
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  embarrassing in itself. I used to go to the supermarket and I'd buy the food and I was the
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  difference. What's organic? All this kind of stuff it's embarrassing and I wouldn't look at
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  packets or anything like that. What was in them? I was into medications for our children that was
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  if they had a fever I would give Tylenol or Paracetamol in New Zealand. That was a normal thing that
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  I do. So I assumed in infectious diseases you needed really good you know not masks but you'd be
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  coughing and stuff with your arm and all that kind of thing. At one point we were thinking of leaving
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  New Zealand because it was getting really bad. Just the authoritarianism that was happening and it
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  was really overt and we thought every week something's changing what are we going to do? How are we
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  going to survive this? And so we thought about moving to Mexico and all seriousness like that
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  was a plan that we had. You couldn't hide from it. This was everywhere. We thought okay we can't
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  do that. We have to we have to just dig deep and just work out what we're going to do. And I had
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  been wanting to live on our own place like a block of land for a long time and but Mark quite
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  rightly sort of saying we've got young kids. How's this practically going to work? I don't think
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  that's a good idea. So it was going to be pushed to the light down further till we were in our
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  50s maybe and then we'll do that. We really wanted our own water so it finally looked into water
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  and what that meant. That was that was the beginning of it and that was from Tom Cowan that really
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  pushed us into looking into water and we thought okay we need our own water. So we thought we'll
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  start looking for places and so that was in 2022 and by 2023 we had our own little farm. So a
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  little ten acre block and we didn't have any animals yet and that was that was all coming and
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  kind of exciting. We also wanted to homeschool and this again had been a slow kind of process. It
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  wasn't an immediate thing but it was the realisation that the control of what kids are taught at
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  school. It's really just a preparation for how to be like a slave and it's kind of harsh to say
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  that way but it is the truth and I didn't want that for our kids and in 2020 with Bill Gates kind
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  of saying these things I said to Mark well if Bill Gates said we can't have any more kids I think
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  we should have another one. From Doctor to Homesteader. Yeah decided to have another child and he was
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  our first real experiment of no medications, no vaccines, nothing, no blood tests, no just he
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  was fully out of the system and it was so empowering because another thing I did with a reflection I
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  can't even believe this was so normalised for a doctor and general society woman mothers I see
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  this all the time. They're obsessed with monitoring numbers and how tall their kid is, how much
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  they're speaking. They talk like doctors do about their development and I realised I'd really
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  bought into this and with our youngest son I never measured him I didn't care about the weight
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  I didn't care about the height I just let nature do its thing and it is so empowering not
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  monitoring everything and doing this process so it's only a couple of years ago James that I
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  woke up to organ meats you know your territory this is this is new for us and it has been amazing
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  I can't believe how how far it had to come raw milk that was completely new and again I don't
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  want to be blaming it on other things all the time but you sort of you don't know what you don't
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  know I didn't even know to think about that about where what our milk was where our meats come from
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  I had never thought about it until it was others it was the recent price foundation Tom Cowan
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  others that were kind of working with it I'm like this is really important and so we thought
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  actually we're not just going to talk about it we're going to do it and that was a really
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  positive step for our family so yeah I'm sure this is going through everyone's mind so you make
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  these changes it's now been a few years so what are you seeing from these changes our family is so
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  healthy James just so healthy they don't get sick they don't get colds and flows like they did
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  they're just very strong and healthy it's not just that they're eating differently they're
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  thinking and they're talking differently the way we communicate as a family we we don't hide
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  stuff from them we we're quite honest about what's going on and I think that you have to do that
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  to prepare them that they don't want your kids to be prey you know as they become adult
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  so it's been a realization that we can have these conversations with our kids and say you know
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  this is what you need to eat this is what it is to be healthy and particularly our middle son
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  is just he's been so curious and it's to watch him change towards this kind of cusp of
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  flipping over to the good side the light the I noticed he'd go he'd get invited to a birthday
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  party and he'd eat nothing there or drink anything there and I was like my goodness like this is
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  quite powerful that he could see he didn't want to have the fizzy color drinks in them it was just
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  all height he wanted to be there but he didn't want to be part of that what the food was and
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  like he was young by the time he got home to us I said oh do you need something to eat he was
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  starving he made that all his choice you I mean this was he imposed this you didn't tell him not
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  to eat anything he just chose yeah and everything that we do that they're part of it when we do
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  like the home kill they want to be out there and I'm not I kind of for me I find it quite hard
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  and confronting I'm like I don't know if I can watch this but they want to be in it and part of it
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  and like we just had some sheke done last week it's all normal for them of what this is and it's
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  being more resilient that that's what it is it's the resilience and health and the way they are
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  their lives the way they see the world the way they live their their general health is just amazing
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  another example my four-year-old again it seems to revolve around birthday parties he got invited
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  to a birthday party maybe he was three at the time and it was like a crazy birthday party like
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  bouncy castles you know full-on madness and he didn't really have much food there he might have
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  had a few things and then when we got home as soon as we walked in the front door he vomited
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  all over the floor and I was like what is going on here and I realized I don't even think it was
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  the food I think it was just the whole hype in the whole environment it was just crazy and that
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  was his reaction to it he vomited and then he was fine that that's kind of an event that happens
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  so now I see it from a different lens like I would have thought oh my gosh has he got food poisoning
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  da da da da has he caught something from it someone else that was my old medical school brain
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  now I realized no something else is going on why am I feeling like this why do I have a headache
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  rather than just accepting that I just take some Tylenol for it I go okay maybe it's that I haven't
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  been having enough sleep I've been worried about something you know it's a tension headache
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  and just instead of taking reaching for pills and tablets I go okay I might just go and lie down
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  for a little bit or just be somewhere dark and quiet go to bed a little bit earlier we don't use
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  medications anymore at all like I've got a big bucket like a big container oh build up
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  of pharmaceuticals mark wants to keep it in case it becomes like I'm a get in and we need to trade
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  I'm like I don't I think that's smart we almost sounds like you went from becoming you know
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  symptom seuthers to root cause crusaders definitely and then you reflect back on your own health
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  and your kids health things that happened to you like I had a perforated appendix when I was
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  10 and I think why did that happen that didn't just happen to me you know that was the reason I
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  decided to become a doctor strangely enough but it was the realization my diet wasn't great
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  you know we had what would be a very traditional western diet but full of junk and preserve it
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  you know basically the fridge was open bar for juice and fizzy drink it just didn't stop and I
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  think maybe that was one of the reasons I got sick when I was 10 my own children don't get sick
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  at all they're just the only thing that might happen to them is accidents because they're
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  they're physical and they're outside but that's it there's nothing going on I love hearing that
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  so there's a lot of people though listening and as we mentioned earlier they're feeling overwhelmed
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  by the conflicting health information they're they're disconnected from their own instincts around
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  health so for someone who wants to take more ownership over their health without becoming fearful
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  or obsessive where do you think they should begin it's such a good question Jones but it's quite
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  hard to answer because it so depends on where they're at themselves one of the things I found
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  over my own journey has just been slowly cutting things out and this might be too much for some
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  people but de-registering from your doctor because it's the externalisation it's this constant
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  reliance on someone else making decisions for your health and I know people kind of criticise
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  me when I say that and say well you are a doctor so you know I don't use any of the stuff that I was
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  taught on myself or my family at all it's stuff that I've learned since is what I use now so it
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  wasn't what I was taught at medical school I think you've got to stop doing things like screening
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  tests and blood tests and there's reliance of external validation of what your health is we all
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  sort of do that where we think we need someone else to tell me that I'm healthy you know when you're
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  healthy it's what your grandma you know would say you need to go to bed just lie down and have some
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  chicken so cutting things out and making it simpler the body is so simple really it only needs
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  a few kind of ingredients for thing to be well concentrating on where you get your food from
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  that is massive looking ingredients less and going well can I just make this myself can I just
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  get some pluck thinking about what I can do with my thinking that's another area we have a book
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  called Terrain Therapy it was not written by me it was written by a New Zealand physician
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  in the early 19 30s and we republished it because it was so amazing and he calls it
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  right living and right thinking that's what you need to do is just remove doubts and fear from
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  your mind like if you're making a decision think well what would I do if I had no fear and sometimes
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  that that just takes away the pressure of thinking I need to do what other people expect of me I
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  think back to my own wake up it didn't just all happen at once it was actually a slow process
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  of going okay maybe I won't take paracetamol for a headache that was a first maybe decision I
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  started doing is going I'm not going to do that now and then from there looking at all the food
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  that you get not making excuses because I think that's another thing you can like we used to get
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  takeaways and stuff and then I remember Mark saying to me Sam I don't want to get takeaways
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  anymore if you don't want to cook if you feel tired I'll do it for you and I'm like okay we're
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  going to make this a thing now we're not going to have takeaways and that was big in itself because
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  you're busy you do things because it's easier rather than it's the right decision that one
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  piece is huge and I love how your positioning this is that sometimes it's not about adding something
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  it's about just removing something that you think is not working and in this sense kind of
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  falling your in your first instinct around what's not working I have a couple of kind of quick
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  reflections I want to do as we wrap this up so what's been the most healing part of farm life
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  for you it's being outside in the sunshine and in the in the crisp year planting
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  food and then you know or harvesting it's just a sense of joy what's one thing you think
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  modern culture is getting wrong about health just pick one I don't know why this but this
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  popped into my mind is I really think it's this digital overload that we exposed to I got rid
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  of my smartphone that was a big thing too I have a dumb phone now and I think removing yourself
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  from that forced interaction like something that's attached to you that's a that's a real addiction
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  it's a great tool I'm not saying it's awesome I love the internet but it's just it's taking over
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  our lives in a really negative way in our health I think this is kind of beautifully segues into
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  the final question I now ask everyone which is if you could wave a magic wand and bring back one
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  ancestral practice that would improve modern health what would it be and why I wish that milk
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  was not pasteurized that's a big thing for me we hit our own house care I think pasteurization
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  of milk is just really made us sick yeah because when you look into the history of why we pasteurized
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  and what was going on it's not too different from the current narratives that we're being fed
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  around other things like the viruses basically in a way it's like modern society is trying to
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  accuse nature of being wrong they're using the argument of like oh well the raw milk carries this
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  and this and this but it's carrying that because of the modern techniques of the time which then
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  required it to be pasteurized because they were raising cows incorrectly they were mistreating
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  them you know so it's it's always interesting how the industry position things to justify
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  their actions James you articulate it so well I can't even I can't think that it's so hard to
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  break from the norm for anyone you know a lot of why people do what they do is out of fear right
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  and I think instinctually we want to be a part of community it's just part of human nature
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  and so to break from that and be willing to risk the community that you know and then open
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  yourselves up to brand new communities is really a beautiful and I agree with you a divine
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  journey and so I'm just so grateful that you're willing to come on the show and share yours
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  where can people find because you they can't find you in the normal things because you you
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  probably keep getting shut down for some of the stuff you share so where where can people go to
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  get your truth my journey did start on YouTube and I still have a YouTube channel it's holding on
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  by a thread but it's there um so yeah people can search for me on YouTube doctor Sam Bailey but we
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  have our own website where we have all of the content because there's a lot of content we can't
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  post on there I always love I make a joke to mark my husband I said it's all about me so it's under
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  my name because he came in later even though he was behind the scenes from the beginning so it's
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  under doctor Sam Bailey B-A-I-L-E-Y dot com we talk about all sorts of staff so natural health
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  gym theory some political stuff of what's going on as well um but just generally it's about how
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  to be well thank you for opening up that world to us for this this brief time and I wish you both
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  thank you James thank you and thank you all for joining us and remember stay curious
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