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Moore History - America Prior to The Great War · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: And so we begin howur number three Morning Ruminators. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show with Preston scottis Osey. I'm Preston and this
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  Speaker 1: is doctor Ed Moore. Time for a little more history.
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  Speaker 1: How are you from I'm great. Yeah, it couldn't be better.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I warned everybody we were surprised. Well, I just
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  Speaker 1: never am quite sure. You've been the bionic Man of late.
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  Speaker 1: You've been going through a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot, just donated a gallbladder as use.
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  Speaker 2: But you're feeling better.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking last time we visited about the Spanish
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  Speaker 1: American War, and let's kind of pick up where we
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  Speaker 1: left off.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The interesting thing to me about that phase of
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  Speaker 3: history is if you go back into I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: was the end of the eighteen hundreds, so the end
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  Speaker 3: of the nineteenth century. What did the world look like then?
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  Speaker 3: And there were still monarchies all over the place and
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  Speaker 3: countries that people perceived as powerful and having influence and whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and we really weren't one of them. We were a
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  Speaker 3: giant market. The United States was a giant market that
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  Speaker 3: emerged and my view emerged from the Spanish American War.
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  Speaker 3: As we're here now, Hello, look at US.
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  Speaker 1: There's still a lot of remnant of the post Civil
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  Speaker 1: War America at this point, right.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I mean and it still is today, so
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  Speaker 3: with regional differences and whatever. But the Industrial Revolution was
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  Speaker 3: taking place, or had been taking place. We had goods
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  Speaker 3: to manufacture, we needed stuff from overseas. So all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, Spain had been a world power for centuries,
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  Speaker 3: they were not anymore. Here's the United States like, well
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  Speaker 3: what do we do? And this is about a decade
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  Speaker 3: right up to World War One where we were trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out what's our role on the world stage.
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  Speaker 2: Were we like a big kid that didn't know how
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  Speaker 2: strong he was?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Basically, Okay, I forget who said it in history
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  Speaker 3: about Japan bomb Pearl harder, but we fear that.
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  Speaker 2: We've awakened the sleeping giant.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how that probably right up to World
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  Speaker 3: War two, not just World War One. During that time frame,
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  Speaker 3: we were feeling our outs, trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: is our role and we weren't trying to police you
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  Speaker 3: or bureaupe had always been a mess, I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: had always been a mess. They were all fighting with
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  Speaker 3: each other all the time and preparing for this I
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  Speaker 3: went back and looked up and said, how many times
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  Speaker 3: did England and France go to war against each other?
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  Speaker 3: You lose count and when you if you google that
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  Speaker 3: and you look, it's you know, they had one hundred
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  Speaker 3: years war they had, I mean truly, and then like
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  Speaker 3: in the thirteen hundreds, but every third year France and
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  Speaker 3: England were back at war.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what though?
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  Speaker 1: Informed our founders all of that turmoil of Europe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well and people leaving it going, yeah, we got
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  Speaker 3: to get the heck out of here. And so when
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  Speaker 3: you look at that time frame right around nineteen hundred
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  Speaker 3: that they're different countries that you wouldn't identify as today
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  Speaker 3: as really having much info. Bulgaria and Italy and its
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  Speaker 3: world powers, well you know, the Austro Austro Hungary monarchy
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  Speaker 3: and Germany. There's Germany and Germany's sitting there watching all
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  Speaker 3: of this go on, right and figuring, hey, we can
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  Speaker 3: leverage some of this. So you had some crazy alliances
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  Speaker 3: that started being formed during this time frame, and there's
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  Speaker 3: eight or ten things we can run through in the
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  Speaker 3: next segment of what led to World War One? Why
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  Speaker 3: did this become a kind of a worldwide battle? Not
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  Speaker 3: so much. In the East. Japan was a little bit
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  Speaker 3: involved in it because Japan and Russia had been at war.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's you know, there's all these little wars
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  Speaker 3: going on all over the world. It's an interesting time
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  Speaker 3: frame to study, and very little of it is studied.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if I asked you what started World War One,
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  Speaker 3: you would probably say the Arts Duke Ferdinand getting assassinated. No.
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  Speaker 2: I would not have said that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, most that's what they teach you it was.
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  Speaker 1: I would have sat here with a very silly look
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  Speaker 1: on my face, going, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 3: No idea. I actually had the privilege to I did
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  Speaker 3: some work in Bosnia after the after that war, you know,
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  Speaker 3: between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia major war. But while
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  Speaker 3: I was in Sarajevo, I went and stood on the bridge.
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  Speaker 3: There's a bridge right there in Sarajevo, across the small
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  Speaker 3: one across this little river, where the Arts Duke actually
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  Speaker 3: was assassinated right on this bridge by by six Serbian Bosnians.
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  Speaker 3: Principe I think was the guy, the main guy that
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  Speaker 3: actually shot him, uh, and that triggered that gave Austria
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  Speaker 3: Hungary the opportunity to invade Serbia because they blamed Serbia
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  Speaker 3: for the assassination that took place in Bosnia. It's this
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  Speaker 3: is how complex all stuff, but they wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: it anyway. Well, when they invaded Servia, that was the
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  Speaker 3: last trigger for the beginning of World War One.
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  Speaker 1: Where unpacking it This Morning with Doctor Ed Moore a
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  Speaker 1: cleverly entitled segment called more History here on The Morning
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  Speaker 1: Show with Preston Scott, Doctor Ed Moore said, when he
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  Speaker 1: grabbed a bottle of water out of my fridge, he said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm only gonna open it if I need it. We're
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  Speaker 1: one segment in and he grabs the water. One segment in.
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  Speaker 3: One it's medication. I'm honest, it makes me thirsty.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about that time frame between the Spanish American War.
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  Speaker 1: Give us a context from an age perspective.
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  Speaker 2: What year are we talking here?
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  Speaker 3: From eighteen ninety eight to nineteen fourteen. We really didn't
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  Speaker 3: get involved in the First World War until seventeen eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Were we dragged in pretty much? Yeah, So let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the events that got us there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a whole bunch of them. There was the
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  Speaker 3: Franco Russian War, you think of the powers that be
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  Speaker 3: at that time, Russia, this is pre revolution. Russia was
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  Speaker 3: the cizarre running stuff, very poor country, ad country, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people starving, but they still wanted to project
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  Speaker 3: themselves as a world power. England and France had been
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  Speaker 3: not great alliances. But here comes this upstart Germany and
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  Speaker 3: Austria Hungary, this triumvirate. There of folks that are much
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  Speaker 3: more militant. The result of around eighteen ninety or so,
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  Speaker 3: maybe is eighteen seventy, that group, the Austria Hungary Empire,
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  Speaker 3: took Alsace Lorraine from France in another small, small war.
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  Speaker 3: There were no kinds of small wars going on at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the annexing two big regions of France
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  Speaker 3: that were big for industry and industrial development. And so
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  Speaker 3: Germany and with their allies looked at this and that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to grow. And we started growing a bigger
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  Speaker 3: military and getting more militant. Russia was sort of floating
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  Speaker 3: around there by themselves. The growth of Germany made Russia go,
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  Speaker 3: we need some better allies because they had actually been
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  Speaker 3: at war in the Franco Prussian War. France had been
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  Speaker 3: at war with Prussia what was called Prussia, which is
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  Speaker 3: really Germany, Austria, Hungary. So Russia said, well, we'll ally
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  Speaker 3: with France, and then France and England had reached sort
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  Speaker 3: of a dtente and they were together, so the three
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  Speaker 3: of them became the Western Powers, and then other little
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  Speaker 3: countries joined them. And then on the east side you
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  Speaker 3: had Italy trying to figure out what it wants to do.
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  Speaker 3: You had this group really wanting to so many wars
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  Speaker 3: that they get jumbled in your head. Russia actually went
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  Speaker 3: to war warre Japan got their butts kicked, lost most
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  Speaker 3: of their fleet came back, so then they're looking for
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  Speaker 3: something to do. Germany's looking for something to do. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: trusts anyway, And mentally I went back to try to
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  Speaker 3: figure out why why are there wars? Why have we
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  Speaker 3: had all these wars all the time? And I come
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  Speaker 3: up with four reasons. Basically, one is man being man.
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  Speaker 3: We're just inclined to do stupid things. You know, that's easy,
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  Speaker 3: no argument. Greed and coveting. Then your neighbour's assets, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's just pure land.
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  Speaker 2: Or see previous statement on man on man.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, hurt feelings. They actually came up with
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  Speaker 3: a French term for this, that's called ravancism, which is
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  Speaker 3: basically in a translation, means revenge. But somebody does something.
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  Speaker 3: You might have a little battle or something going on
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  Speaker 3: in during this time frame, and I remember wars. Then
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  Speaker 3: they could have a war and it didn't threaten the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world. And the last is access to transportation.
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  Speaker 2: And materials resources.
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  Speaker 3: What we're seeing now with Russia and the Ukraine, the
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  Speaker 3: anex Crimea. They want access to the sea, those kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things. So it's not always understandable as to why
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  Speaker 3: countries go to the war. Like I said before, the
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  Speaker 3: trigger and the ultimate trigger in World War One was
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  Speaker 3: Austria Hungary invading Serbia because they thought Serbia had something
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  Speaker 3: to do with their air Archduke Ferdinand being assassinated. Think
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  Speaker 3: of the world during that time frame, there was lots
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  Speaker 3: of little monarchies all over. They weren't all democracies. One
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  Speaker 3: of the benefits of World War One that occurred was
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  Speaker 3: all those monarchies pretty much got tossed to the side.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah they did, and you know, you had the
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  Speaker 3: Russian to Russian revolutions during that time frame, but the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world went more democratic. They had elected parliaments,
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  Speaker 3: and the world got more stable. Try to create the
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  Speaker 3: League of Nations after that? Uh than quite work, But
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  Speaker 3: then the United Nations came out of that that was
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  Speaker 3: needed at the time. Not so good.
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  Speaker 1: Now back with doctor ed Moore one two minutes past
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  Speaker 1: the hour. Time flies when you're having fun. Here we
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  Speaker 1: are the final segment.
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  Speaker 3: Already have we've gotten past my first page of thought? Here?
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  Speaker 1: When do you ever we are not going to cover
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  Speaker 1: World War One today. We're dealing with the time frame
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  Speaker 1: and the events leading to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, if you think of those four points I
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  Speaker 3: made before too, and then think of the map of
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  Speaker 3: the globe Africa for example, Well, all of those monarchies
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  Speaker 3: and they were all had gone aground the world and
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  Speaker 3: taken land. We're off the area we're talking about. How
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  Speaker 3: the US really never was that way. We didn't We
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  Speaker 3: had our land, we didn't have to go get us.
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  Speaker 3: But all these countries that are kind of landlocked or small,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the Dutch and the French and the English.
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  Speaker 3: They Africa was split up. Yeah, well then they started fighting.
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  Speaker 3: This also led to the They had a Moroccan crisis
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  Speaker 3: in a North African crisis during this fourteen years or so,
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  Speaker 3: where Germany would poke France and their little territory and
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  Speaker 3: they'd have these little minor battles and skirmishes, but it
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  Speaker 3: just kept adding to the temperature. The temperature slowly, slowly
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  Speaker 3: kept rising. There was a Bosnian annexation crisis. I did
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  Speaker 3: work in Bosnian. It's an interesting place. In the nineties, Bosnia, Serbia,
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  Speaker 3: and Croatia were all at war with each other. Still
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties, go back one hundred years, they
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  Speaker 3: were all fighting. Serbians have always been very militant, always
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be bigger than they were. Austria Hungary didn't
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  Speaker 3: like that. They feared a Balkan nation being formed back
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  Speaker 3: during this time for it.
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  Speaker 2: When you say Austria Hungary is Germany part of that
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  Speaker 2: part of it, okay.
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  Speaker 3: But it's the Empire. When they would call the empire,
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  Speaker 3: those three countries or three areas, three monarchies, and Bismarck
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  Speaker 3: and all of that group from out of Germany Kaiser
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  Speaker 3: Wilhelm he emerged. Bismarck was more of a reputation as that,
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  Speaker 3: but he was more of a diplomat figuring out a
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  Speaker 3: Wilhelm wasn't. He was very aggressive. He wanted Germany to
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  Speaker 3: become the Joe Biden knew him. I think he worked
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  Speaker 3: for him at one time, or actually he was on
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  Speaker 3: the payroll. Anyway, They they feared the development of a
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  Speaker 3: Balkan state that would have been all of these areas
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  Speaker 3: but together plus Macedonia which is in Albania, these countries
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  Speaker 3: that are all in that giant peninsula. So there was
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  Speaker 3: that fear going on and coveting their neighbors, goods and land.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so you had that going on. You had
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  Speaker 3: an attack Italian war with Turkey that that part Mesopotaate
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  Speaker 3: what used to be Mesopotamian, the Bible studies and all.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they divided up. Turkey wanted to be a
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  Speaker 3: world power and actually Britain invaded Turkey. Was it Gallopy
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  Speaker 3: or Gallup the big battle there where they got their
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  Speaker 3: butts kicked. Mel Gibson made a movie about it and
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  Speaker 3: as a soldier from Australia going to fight in Turkey.
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  Speaker 3: Turkey pushed them back, but then Turkey got weakened. Then
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  Speaker 3: somebody else attacked them him. It was this is going
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  Speaker 3: on all the time during this time frame. The biggest
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  Speaker 3: business to be in during that timeframe was munitions because
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  Speaker 3: somebody was always at war and you were going to
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  Speaker 3: do well. So then you had the Balkan Wars, after
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  Speaker 3: the Italian Turkish War. Think of all. Think of the
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  Speaker 3: map of Europe and Eastern Europe, and there's always some
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  Speaker 3: flame going on somewhere all around there, all coming down
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  Speaker 3: to the archde Ferdinand and his wife. I think Sophie
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  Speaker 3: traveling in a car in Sarajevo, driving across the bridge
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  Speaker 3: and bam got assassinated. Sometimes all it takes is that
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  Speaker 3: one giant explosion that happened that causes a bigger and
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  Speaker 3: that was spark. Yeah, the assassination was used as leverage
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  Speaker 3: to get into war. In battle, the United States sat
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  Speaker 3: back of World War One started in nineteen fourteen. My
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  Speaker 3: grandfather out of Gainesville, Florida. They pulled people together. Nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventeen he went in the army and went to France.
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  Speaker 3: And there was the old saying, how are you going
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  Speaker 3: to keep him down on the farm after they've seen Perri. Well,
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  Speaker 3: my grandpa did that out of a small southern family,
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  Speaker 3: went to France and didn't really come back till he
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  Speaker 3: retired to Florida. Because he came he saw the big
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  Speaker 3: world and went to New York and went in business.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what changed the nature the United States. When
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  Speaker 3: we were sending people had never been to Europe. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't travel. You didn't jump on the boat plane.
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  Speaker 3: Now we've been there, we've done that. It changed the
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  Speaker 3: nature of interesting expectations. What people came back wanting to
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  Speaker 3: do and where they wanted to go. And my pop
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  Speaker 3: with and my uncle Rufus, they were two of those.
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  Speaker 3: They went and did that and then came back and
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  Speaker 3: never came back to Florida until much much later. Because
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  Speaker 3: there was opportunity