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Speaker 2: Thank you all for joining us on this emergency episode.
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Speaker 2: You have Dustin Ross and myself where we are going
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Speaker 2: to talk about what has been trending on Twitter since
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Speaker 2: last night, and that is the Basketball Wives situation that
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Speaker 2: happened between Jackie Christie and her daughter Chantelle. I said,
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Speaker 2: before we get into that actual moment, you and I
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Speaker 2: have been watching Basketball Wives for so many years, the
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Speaker 2: Miami version, the La version.
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Speaker 3: They decided to collapse both and just make it into one.
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Speaker 2: And Jackie Christi to me, is like the face of
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Speaker 2: this new sort of like reboot.
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Speaker 3: If you will love the show.
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Speaker 2: And what I want to talk to you first about
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Speaker 2: is what are your thoughts on this season overall? Because
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Speaker 2: I'm fully caught up this is one show that I
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Speaker 2: have made sure to maybe not watch live because we
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Speaker 2: tape our show on my day, so I do watch
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Speaker 2: it the next day. But Basketballise this season has been
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Speaker 2: appointment television.
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Speaker 4: It absolutely has it. Not just this season, Carlos last
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Speaker 4: season as well. They're on a two season run and
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Speaker 4: two seasons high. There were things I like and things
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Speaker 4: I didn't like. But it's been good nonetheless. And last
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Speaker 4: season I really took a pause and was like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: Basketball Wives again, this shit was good.
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Speaker 5: Brooke was there last season.
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Speaker 4: The ladies looked like Basketball Wives like we remember them looking,
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? It just was good last
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Speaker 4: season and this season has been good too, So I
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Speaker 4: haven't missed an episode. I've watched Basketball Wives, even through
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Speaker 4: the weird pandemic episodes where they were filming in two houses.
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Speaker 4: I've watched Basketball Watch Miami from season one, episode one.
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Speaker 4: I watched Basketball Wives La from season one episode one.
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Speaker 4: And I've definitely kept up with the new iteration of
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Speaker 4: the show. So hell yeah, I remember every Yeah.
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Speaker 2: When you saw that Jackie Christie's daughter was joining the show,
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Speaker 2: what did you think we were expecting? Because Dustin, when
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Speaker 2: I interviewed Jackie Christie. No one knows this, so this
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Speaker 2: is my first time saying this. Okay, exclusive exclusive, you
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Speaker 2: guys get Tuesday exclusive. I interviewed Jackie Christie. This is
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Speaker 2: no live rain drops. I interviewed her ten minutes before
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Speaker 2: the trailer came out.
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Speaker 5: Wow, okay, okay.
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Speaker 2: And in the trailer we saw the sort of friction
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Speaker 2: between her and Chantelle, her daughter, and we saw how
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Speaker 2: the trailer ended with Jackie, you know, doing that and
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Speaker 2: it faded to black. So I'm on the way to
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Speaker 2: the interview to see the legend Jackie Christie, and I'm
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Speaker 2: watching the trailer and I could tell that Jackie just
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Speaker 2: watched it too. If you watch my interview with Jackie,
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Speaker 2: you know, Jackie's a fire, cracking all those things. But
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Speaker 2: I could tell she was. She was in a different space,
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Speaker 2: a different kids space. And that's why, guys, if you
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Speaker 2: watch my Jackie Christie exclusive, you would see a woman
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Speaker 2: that wasn't to me herself.
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Speaker 3: It was a fun interview.
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Speaker 2: She was right, but she was very careful with her words,
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Speaker 2: and she also just she was very distracted. And I
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Speaker 2: do believe it was because when you're filming, you don't
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Speaker 2: know what's going to be shown. And I think her
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Speaker 2: surprise was the fact that, oh shit, this is about
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Speaker 2: to go down. But Dustin, when you saw the trailer
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Speaker 2: and you love her daughter was joining the show, what
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Speaker 2: was your initial thoughts?
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Speaker 5: This is a recipe for disaster. That was what I thought.
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Speaker 4: I knew it was only one place that that could
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Speaker 4: go her being cast on this show, and that was
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Speaker 4: straight to hell. Remember Chantelle, this is not her first appearance.
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Speaker 4: First of all, Chantela is absolutely beautiful, right, that gorgeous,
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Speaker 4: beautiful girl. She's articulate, she knows how to express herself clearly,
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Speaker 4: and you can understand the words that she's saying. And
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Speaker 4: she arrives at the point of her conversation, whatever the
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Speaker 4: point is, she gets there right, So we appreciate that.
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Speaker 4: She also has a beautiful, beautiful baby boy that we
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Speaker 4: got to see this season.
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Speaker 5: She's married.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is a new version of Jackie Christie's daughter.
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Speaker 4: This is Chantale and the fullness of her personality. Right,
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Speaker 4: But I remember when Chantelle was on the show previously.
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Speaker 5: We all know.
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Speaker 4: Jackie has a checkered past with a lot of rumors
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Speaker 4: and allegations and shit. When it comes to her relationship
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Speaker 4: with her oldest daughter, Takari and also when it comes
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Speaker 4: to her relationship with Chantale. And I remember when Chantelle
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Speaker 4: appeared on Basketball Wives and had a full sit down
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Speaker 4: with Laura Govin where she was discussing her relationship with
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Speaker 4: her mother and discussing her mother's character and speaking negatively
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Speaker 4: about her mother to Laura. And last season, Laura Govin
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Speaker 4: actually apologized to Jackie about having that conversation and filming
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Speaker 4: that scene. This isn't the first introduction we had to Chantale,
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Speaker 4: nor is it the first introduction had we had to
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Speaker 4: Chantelle having a problem with her mother.
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Speaker 5: So I already.
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Speaker 4: Knew when I saw her being cast, I saw no
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Speaker 4: positive outcome whatsoever.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, I knew that if you got her daughter on
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Speaker 2: the show based on the scenes that Dustin has outlined.
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Speaker 2: Because what we're no stranger to if you are true
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Speaker 2: Basketball Wives fans is Chantell has been on the show before.
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Speaker 2: Chantelle has always made accusations that she didn't have the
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Speaker 2: best childhood. Chantale spoke, they were in a therapy session,
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Speaker 2: right Dustin, with Chantale, the other daughter and Jackie. They
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Speaker 2: were talking and of course I'm paraphrasing, but Chantelle felt
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Speaker 2: that Jackie wasn't present as a mother. Jackie felt, you
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Speaker 2: have a great place to stay, your Grandma's down the
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Speaker 2: hall or whatever.
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Speaker 3: You know, you have food on the table, you have everything.
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Speaker 2: And Chantelle's gripe at that time, this is years ago,
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Speaker 2: was we didn't feel like you were a present mother.
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Speaker 3: We wanted you, we didn't want the material.
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Speaker 2: Things, and Jackie was like, I thought, that's what you wanted,
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Speaker 2: which Dustin, I want to dissect there. I think for
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Speaker 2: a lot of parents, especially in our community, when you
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Speaker 2: do grow up with lack, you do overcompensate it when
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Speaker 2: you have children by giving them everything. And I do
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Speaker 2: believe that what Chantal was trying to tell Jackie at
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Speaker 2: the time, this is not this week's episode.
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Speaker 3: God, we were talking.
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Speaker 2: About years ago because we have to get the backstory
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Speaker 2: to understand where things led up to the altercation and
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Speaker 2: tells gripe to me was always about Jackie not being
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Speaker 2: a present mother to her and that's all I got
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Speaker 2: from it. Yes, she did talk about some colorism, how
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Speaker 2: she felt that her oldest sister was dark skinned and
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Speaker 2: at the time was not, in her words, in shape,
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Speaker 2: and she ed that Jackie. She said to so Laura
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Speaker 2: that Jackie would have the oldest daughter run on the
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Speaker 2: treadmill and Chantaba have to watch her sister do it.
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Speaker 2: And she said that to Laura, but she did not,
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Speaker 2: and you're talking, I'm wrong, Dustin. She never said those
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Speaker 2: things to Jackie's face.
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Speaker 5: We never saw her say them on the show.
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Speaker 4: We never saw her say them to Jackie's face, but
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Speaker 4: we did see her express that there was some problems
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Speaker 4: or a rift in their relationship. Obviously, and listen the
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Speaker 4: shit show that we saw last night, because that's what
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Speaker 4: that was. That didn't just come out of nowhere. That
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Speaker 4: type of behavior, right, that type of communication that we
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Speaker 4: saw last night is rooted from something. So whether I
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Speaker 4: agree with what she said or not, I do recognize
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Speaker 4: that it's coming from somewhere. There's a problem, a serious
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Speaker 4: problem somewhere in their relationship.
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Speaker 5: But heard what you just asked.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that is what happened back when we previously saw
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Speaker 4: Chantel on the show.
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Speaker 2: So Raindrops, the reason why wanted to bring that up
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Speaker 2: is because I'm trying to start the history of what
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Speaker 2: the television show audiences I've seen, and that was it.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm going someplace with that.
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Speaker 2: So again, that's the only thing we saw with Chantelle's
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Speaker 2: presence on the show was accusations of colorism and accusations
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Speaker 2: of Jackie being an absent mother. Fast forward to Chantelle
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Speaker 2: being a full time cast.
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Speaker 3: Member this season.
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Speaker 2: The season started off with Jackie being this doting grandmother and.
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Speaker 3: Chantelle have this very interesting dynamic.
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Speaker 2: Albeit you know, they they it's not joyous, but it
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Speaker 2: wasn't dark, but they were They were fine. Everything appeared
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Speaker 2: to be fine and Dustin I'm trying to reflect on where.
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Speaker 3: Did things go from from.
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Speaker 5: Bad to hell?
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Speaker 4: Well, listen, first of all, based on this season, I
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Speaker 4: can't tell you. I think that what we saw was
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Speaker 4: Chantelle come on this show with an agenda. Chantel came
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Speaker 4: on this show to challenge her mother in some sort.
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Speaker 5: Of way, whatever way it was. She came on this
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Speaker 5: show to embarrass her mother.
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Speaker 4: If conflict did arise, I don't think she set out
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Speaker 4: to sort of start anything, but if it went there,
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Speaker 4: she was willing to take it to hell and cross
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Speaker 4: boundaries of disrespect.
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Speaker 5: That were shocking to watch. Right.
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Speaker 4: We also saw her she broke a lot of black codes,
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: With the way that she kind of engaged with her mama.
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Speaker 4: This season letting these people have strong opinions about problems
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Speaker 4: between you and your mama. Letting these girls sit up
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Speaker 4: here and not only have an opinion, voice the opinion,
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Speaker 4: and then challenge and confront your mama about some shit
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Speaker 4: between you and her. When they're by girls, I mean
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Speaker 4: Britney Renner okay, and the girl Denise right, both of
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Speaker 4: them set up there all seasoned and disrespected the fuck
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Speaker 4: out of Jackie Christy in front of chantal. Listen, I've
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Speaker 4: been upset with my parents before. I've had tough conversations
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Speaker 4: with my parents before. But that shit right there, letting
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Speaker 4: somebody cuss your mama and your daddy out, Carlos, I
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Speaker 4: love you with all my heart, bro, and you know
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Speaker 4: I got your back to the end, But me being
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Speaker 4: your friend does not look like me cussing your father
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Speaker 4: or your mother, you know, for the sake of our
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Speaker 4: conversation out if you had a problem with them, That's
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Speaker 4: not what friendship looks like. You have a respect and
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Speaker 4: a reverence for other people's parents. That's just black code.
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Speaker 4: That's the way it worked. Also, when you do have
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Speaker 4: an issue with your adult you and you're an adult
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Speaker 4: child and you have an issue, that you want to
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Speaker 4: discuss that may be kind of tough to talk about
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Speaker 4: with your parents. There's a way that you do it,
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. There's a way that you
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Speaker 4: do it. There's a way that you can say things
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Speaker 4: and assert yourself and do all of those things without
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Speaker 4: crossing certain lines of disrespect.
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Speaker 5: And I don't care what nobody says.
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Speaker 4: Jackie Christy has irritated the fuck out of me from
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Speaker 4: day one of my introduction to her on Basketball Wives La.
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Speaker 5: She has gotten on my last nerves.
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Speaker 4: Great TV, polarizing figure, can't take your eyes off of her,
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Speaker 4: but she's gotten on my last damn nerves. Okay, However,
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Speaker 4: right is right and wrong is wrong. And Chantelle Christy
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Speaker 4: sitting on that television screen last night, calling her mama
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Speaker 4: all kind of bitches and holes, telling her mother that
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Speaker 4: her man getting on a woman a woman level with
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Speaker 4: her mama, telling her that's why your man is gonna
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Speaker 4: leave you and he don't love you, talking about her
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Speaker 4: own father, telling her her kids don't love her. All
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Speaker 4: that shit was unnecessary. I didn't like her calling her Jackie, Okay,
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Speaker 4: I didn't like that. I didn't like her getting up
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Speaker 4: and again I'm not saying that she doesn't have a
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Speaker 4: valid reason to be upset with her mom.
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Speaker 5: It's okay to be upset with your mama.
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Speaker 4: But what we saw last night that was so typically
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Speaker 4: associated with white people. Shit, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: She was on there acting like one of the fucking
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Speaker 4: Menindez brothers last night. What's next? You know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 4: how far are you gonna go with this? Getting up,
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Speaker 4: chasing your mama down hallways, cussing her out? And I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna tell you one more thing, Jackie Christy, don't mind
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Speaker 4: showing her ass on that camera cussing whoever, however the
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Speaker 4: fuck out wherever? She held back all season and she
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Speaker 4: never engaged with her daughter in that way on the show.
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Speaker 4: She disengaged and was walking out of scenes. That's not
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Speaker 4: anything we've ever seen from Jackie Christie before. And I
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Speaker 4: don't have children, but you can't tell me that was
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Speaker 4: not her saying, you know what, I'm not finna do
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Speaker 4: this with my.
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Speaker 5: Daughter on TV.
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Speaker 4: Her being cast was not a good idea unless she
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Speaker 4: was gonna come on here and give these ladies hell
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Speaker 4: with her mama as a duo.
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Speaker 5: We don't.
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Speaker 4: It didn't look right. We didn't like seeing it. Nobody
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Speaker 4: enjoyed it.
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Speaker 5: Nobody.
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Speaker 4: Nobody watched that scene and said, that's right, girl, talk
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Speaker 4: to your mama like that.
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Speaker 5: Nobody Carlos and my I mean no, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean listen, okay, I mean, just like last night, I
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Speaker 2: agree with everything you're saying. I don't know Chantill based
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Speaker 2: on what I've seen. Chantill has trauma based on whatever
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Speaker 2: her experience was with her mother, and I accept that
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Speaker 2: that's her experience.
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Speaker 3: What I realized through therapy and.
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Speaker 2: Just talking to people working on these shows is you
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Speaker 2: can grow up in the same house and have a
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Speaker 2: different experience.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, other siblings.
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Speaker 2: Siblings can grow up in the same household and have
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Speaker 2: a different experience.
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Speaker 3: I'm with Dustin. My father and I.
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Speaker 2: Did not have the greatest relationship growing up. I was
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Speaker 2: very honest to you guys that you know I'm the first.
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Speaker 2: I'm not the first gay person, honey, I'm the first
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Speaker 2: one who came out.
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Speaker 3: I was another story child. I'm the person. I don't
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Speaker 3: don't have drama.
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 3: Let's get back into the show. I'm the first gay
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Speaker 3: person my family to actually come.
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Speaker 2: Off the closet okay, and my father, being a very disciplinarian,
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Speaker 2: extremely masculine, alpha black man, was was that. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: the bate the greatest. But for the record, ever beat
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Speaker 2: me for being gay. I want to make that clear.
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Speaker 2: But we we definitely weren't close growing God. Despite all
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Speaker 2: of that, I would never disrespect Gregory King Senior on
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Speaker 2: any You can't pay me enough money to disrespect my father.
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Speaker 2: I had a huge platform and I I can say
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Speaker 2: what I want to say at my big age. I'm
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Speaker 2: never going to talk crazy about my experience with my father.
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Speaker 3: For anyone's money.
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Speaker 2: No money can pay me to do that to my parents,
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Speaker 2: my siblings, my niece and nephews. I mean, you could
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Speaker 2: pay me for a few cousins to be exposed. But
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Speaker 2: you know, but what I'm saying is this, as much
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Speaker 2: as I grew up with my nine siblings and we
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Speaker 2: all had a different experience with our father, I had
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Speaker 2: a very tough one. However, I actually spoke to my
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Speaker 2: dad and said, this is our issue. I'm in my thirties, Dustint,
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Speaker 2: and my father said to me, I never knew you
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Speaker 2: felt that way, and I'm sorry, and we've been good
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Speaker 2: Man so Dustin's cooking in the sense of to Jackie's credit.
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Speaker 2: For the past five episodes, Jackie has got up and
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Speaker 2: left any sort of indication that there was going to
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Speaker 2: be an altercation with her daughter. And I'm as much
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Speaker 2: as I love the girls on the show, I am
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Speaker 2: disappointed that no one said, guys, this is a family shit,
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Speaker 2: and you have to stand up and say I'm.
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Speaker 3: Not getting involved in this.
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Speaker 2: Brittany, I don't know you personally, I love you, but
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Speaker 2: I felt like you were trauma bonding with Chantale, and
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Speaker 2: based on your own situation with your mother, I felt
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Speaker 2: that you you added some hot soft Paprika Lori's garlic
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Speaker 2: to the gumbo of mess that Chantelle is dealing with
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Speaker 2: her daughter, and you empowered, I'm gonna call it, Britney,
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Speaker 2: empowered Chantal to be disrespectful more to Jackie because and
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Speaker 2: the reason why I had to bring off up to Steve,
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Speaker 2: because I was going to some place with this Chantelle.
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Speaker 2: If you felt that way about your mama, you had
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Speaker 2: opportunity tying to say that five seven years, five seasons ago.
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Speaker 3: You had opportunity to say that to her in the
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Speaker 3: opening scene.
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Speaker 2: To me, it wasn't until you were a gone by
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Speaker 2: Brittany and Denise that you thought impover and the other
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Speaker 2: girls were. Y'all were so mean to Jackie that whatever
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Speaker 2: Jackie did as a parent is between her and Chantel.
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Speaker 2: But y'all should never have gotten involved.
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Speaker 5: Say Carlos, stay the funk out of it.
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Speaker 4: Brittany, you made it and it wasn't your place, and
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Speaker 4: somebody should have checked Brittany Renner the minute she ended
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Speaker 4: up opening her mouth and opining on a situation between
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Speaker 4: that mother and that daughter. I respect Brittany's personal story right, Obviously,
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Speaker 4: she has a fractured and broken relationship with her mother,
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Speaker 4: who she referred to as toxic and was visibly crying
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Speaker 4: and shaken and affected by thinking about those experiences.
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Speaker 5: Respect that give you room for that.
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Speaker 4: That does not give you license to cuss Jackie Christie
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Speaker 4: out because you mad at your goddamn mama. That was
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Speaker 4: fucked up. That was wrong, and she had no place
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Speaker 4: doing that. Not only did she have no place opining
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Speaker 4: on it, she had no place standing up cussing Jackie
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Speaker 4: Christie out trying to fight her because she had an
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Speaker 4: opinion on something between Jackie Christie and her daughter Shantale
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Speaker 4: that was completely out of line. That girl Denise too.
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Speaker 4: That's why I was so glad when Evelyn checked her
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Speaker 4: ass last week at that table. Finally, finally, somebody had
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Speaker 4: to tell her to shut the fuck up. You got
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Speaker 4: so much to say about something that you should not
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Speaker 4: be involved in, and it's so infuriating to watch again.
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Speaker 4: Jackie Christie Haint never been my favorite person on this show.
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Speaker 5: But it's a way to do it. Chantale.
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Speaker 4: You want to check your mama, you want to talk
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Speaker 4: to your mama, you want to work your issues out
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Speaker 4: with your mama on camera, do it, but do it
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Speaker 4: with you and her. Don't involve these other women in
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Speaker 4: this matter that is deeply personal to.
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Speaker 5: Me, who don't like her, who can't stand her, and
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Speaker 5: are using you. You such a market. We don't even
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Speaker 5: realize how they're using you in.
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Speaker 4: This case, and on a show where family daughters, children
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Speaker 4: especially have always been the line that you don't cross.
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Speaker 4: Evelyn and Jackie were at odds for years because the
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Speaker 4: comments that Jackie made concerning Evelyn's daughter Snise. I was
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Speaker 4: surprised by Evelyn having such a strong opinion.
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Speaker 5: Oh, if Jackie come down here is gonna be war.
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Speaker 4: Having anything to say, because Evelyn is so close with
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Speaker 4: her daughter, so why would you even involve yourself in
20:29
Speaker 4: this shit that's going on between Jackie and Chantale.
20:32
Speaker 5: We'll give Brandy her credit.
20:34
Speaker 4: Brandy did speak up throughout the season and say, yeah,
20:36
Speaker 4: I need to stay out of this. This is between
20:39
Speaker 4: the mother and daughter, and then Chanteal would argue with
20:41
Speaker 4: her or whatever.
20:42
Speaker 5: But that shit was fucked up.
20:44
Speaker 4: Brittany made it one hundred percent words. She was totally
20:47
Speaker 4: out of line speaking to Jackie Christie like that, totally
20:50
Speaker 4: out of line, even involving herself period, Totally out of line, completely, Chantel,
20:56
Speaker 4: You're entitled to your feelings about your mama. We don't
20:59
Speaker 4: know what happened other than what we saw on camera,
21:02
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna take your word for it, right because
21:04
Speaker 4: people do have real issues with their parents as an
21:08
Speaker 4: adult child. However, how the fuck ever, fucking Basketball Wives
21:14
Speaker 4: is not the stage to work that out on, and
21:16
Speaker 4: if you do so, choose to do it there, do
21:19
Speaker 4: it just between you and your mama. Y'all can fight
21:21
Speaker 4: and argue like cats and dogs within certain boundaries, of course, alone,
21:25
Speaker 4: but once you involve these other people just for the
21:27
Speaker 4: sake of a show, come on man, that was wrong,
21:30
Speaker 4: and I just I'm from a certain I just I'm
21:34
Speaker 4: just that just violated my personal the constitution of my blackness.
21:39
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, It violated it because we
21:42
Speaker 4: just don't do We do not talk to our parents
21:45
Speaker 4: about that. We just don't. We don't talk not about
21:47
Speaker 4: We don't talk to our parents like that. And then
21:51
Speaker 4: even if you lose control and the heat of the moment,
21:54
Speaker 4: if you into with your parents, you might get passionate
21:57
Speaker 4: like that and lose control. But the getting up, following
22:01
Speaker 4: her out of scenes, cussing her out, following Jackie down hallways,
22:05
Speaker 4: cussing her out, going downstairst, inviting everybody to discuss it,
22:09
Speaker 4: and then painting yourself the victim when you went up
22:13
Speaker 4: there and antagonize your mama.
22:16
Speaker 5: Let's not even talk about getting physical.
22:19
Speaker 3: Who knows? Well, yeah, who in.
22:23
Speaker 5: The fuck pushes they?
22:24
Speaker 2: Mama?
22:27
Speaker 5: When did we start doing that?
22:29
Speaker 2: And I think before that we get to that dust
22:31
Speaker 2: stat because I do want to harp on what you
22:33
Speaker 2: said too, because I agree with everything you're saying. Let
22:38
Speaker 2: the record show I'm with Dustin. I believe Chantelle's experience
22:45
Speaker 2: as a child. I believe her when she said this
22:49
Speaker 2: that has been her experience.
22:52
Speaker 3: The problem is this based on the structure of a
22:58
Speaker 3: TV show.
22:59
Speaker 2: Jackie Christie is the force multiplier, a legend, and she
23:03
Speaker 2: knows how to work those cameras and work the system.
23:05
Speaker 3: She understands what.
23:06
Speaker 2: This is and and Chantill, in my opinion, I do
23:12
Speaker 2: believe Chanteal wanted to expose her mother by any means necessary, because,
23:17
Speaker 2: in Jackie's defense, she kept asking her, well, baby, what
23:21
Speaker 2: is it.
23:24
Speaker 5: You don't know what it is?
23:27
Speaker 3: Yep, I think Jackie.
23:29
Speaker 2: To me, Jackie was like, they don't know what it is,
23:32
Speaker 2: so I'll give you the opportunity to say it. And
23:35
Speaker 2: I think Chantal Chantell doesn't have the best way of
23:40
Speaker 2: expressing herself to her mother. So unfortunately for Chanteale, a
23:44
Speaker 2: lot of people shockingly doesn't.
23:46
Speaker 3: And you're one of them.
23:47
Speaker 2: Two who are on Jackie's side because we saw Jackie
23:50
Speaker 2: leave the situation. We saw you, Chantel chase after your mother.
23:56
Speaker 2: Justin's right, My mama makes you rest in police, black woman.
23:59
Speaker 2: I've never called my mother Gail what.
24:03
Speaker 3: I've never called my mother by her first name.
24:06
Speaker 2: I was a mama's boy, dusted another story for you.
24:12
Speaker 2: I'm I'm be quit to sincial Mama's boy. One day,
24:15
Speaker 2: dust I'm nineteen years old and I had a cousin
24:19
Speaker 2: who had to live with us because he was in
24:20
Speaker 2: trouble child. All story short, my cousin, you used to
24:24
Speaker 2: steal my clothes, and I've always been fresh.
24:27
Speaker 3: So I'm nineteen years old.
24:29
Speaker 2: Working at the Touchy Fried Chicken and part time at
24:31
Speaker 2: missus phil Cookies at the east Land Mall in Detroit, Michick.
24:35
Speaker 5: Yes, uh huh huh, So, Dustin.
24:40
Speaker 2: I'm looking for my black leather jacket. I couldn't find it,
24:46
Speaker 2: I said, Mom, was my jacket? Oh, your cousin took it,
24:50
Speaker 2: dust It, I said, And you let him take my jacket?
24:55
Speaker 3: I and your son and you are my mother nesting?
24:58
Speaker 2: I know. I had a a hand on my throat
25:02
Speaker 2: by my father, Yeah, who choked me, put me down
25:06
Speaker 2: and said, don't you ever speak to your mother that way.
25:09
Speaker 2: I'm like teen, and I'm like, get off for me,
25:12
Speaker 2: And he said, you will never speak to your mother
25:15
Speaker 2: that way. And guess what, at nineteen years old, I
25:17
Speaker 2: never did.
25:19
Speaker 3: Was the first time and the only time.
25:21
Speaker 2: The constant words of bitch that Shantelle used to her mother.
25:29
Speaker 3: Was too much for me, if that's youall dynamics off camera,
25:38
Speaker 3: maybe it is.
25:39
Speaker 2: But again, Jackie is smart enough to know if that
25:43
Speaker 2: is y'all dynamics behind the scenes calling each other bitches,
25:46
Speaker 2: because that that may be your relationship. Jackie was smart enough,
25:50
Speaker 2: in the words of Meani, not to.
25:52
Speaker 4: Do it right if I did choke somebody, yeah, you know, I.
25:57
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm a person who believes in sane
26:00
Speaker 5: what you have to say.
26:00
Speaker 4: If you have a voice, especially as an adult, you
26:03
Speaker 4: have a right to voice your opinion, even to your mother, right,
26:06
Speaker 4: But there's a way that you do it.
26:08
Speaker 5: And that what we saw last night, that just wasn't it.
26:11
Speaker 5: That was not cool.
26:11
Speaker 4: Chantelle was wrong as hell, and I don't know what
26:14
Speaker 4: she thought was gonna happen after literally provoking Jackie NonStop,
26:19
Speaker 4: and just the scenes that we saw those, you know
26:21
Speaker 4: that they shot way more than what we saw, right,
26:24
Speaker 4: So there was obviously more antagonizing going on, and you
26:28
Speaker 4: decided to push your mama.
26:31
Speaker 5: Jackie rocked her shit, as she should have.
26:35
Speaker 4: That's what happened to me when I saw Jackie here her,
26:37
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, it's about time. It's
26:40
Speaker 4: about time, because you cussing your mama out like that,
26:43
Speaker 4: putting your hands on her, coming back to start more
26:47
Speaker 4: of an argument. When Jackie blew her shit out, I
26:49
Speaker 4: was like, now let's start the conversation.
26:55
Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. So what we saw rain
26:58
Speaker 3: dropped was.
27:01
Speaker 2: Jackie tried two times in her leopard pajamas too.
27:10
Speaker 3: Does that they changed clothes? Jackie said, I'm keeping this on.
27:13
Speaker 5: Okay, she was hot.
27:17
Speaker 4: She wasn't even thinking about she was pacing in that
27:19
Speaker 4: room before we saw her. Jackie was upstairs mad than
27:22
Speaker 4: the motherfucker, chewing gum, cussing on the phone to somebody,
27:25
Speaker 4: you know she was.
27:27
Speaker 5: That's why she ain't changed.
27:30
Speaker 3: She didn't change cloth. Jackie said, I'm saying my room.
27:33
Speaker 2: The thing for me was the fact that again I'm
27:38
Speaker 2: like Dustin said, yes, they shot hours of rain jobs.
27:41
Speaker 3: We're only talking about what we saw.
27:43
Speaker 2: What we did see was one attempt of Jackie and
27:47
Speaker 2: Chantelle trying to talk about it, and Jackie said, I'm
27:51
Speaker 2: doing this for you.
27:52
Speaker 3: You want to want to want what is it?
27:54
Speaker 2: And Chantelle did not verbalize what the issue was because
27:58
Speaker 2: Jackie said, after Vegas, we're still beefing. I'm confused, what's
28:02
Speaker 2: going on, Talk to me, tell me it didn't happen.
28:04
Speaker 2: Then she proceees to go to dinner. And in my opinion,
28:07
Speaker 2: based on what I saw, was egged on again by
28:10
Speaker 2: the girls. And I'm rich on the Evelyn piece in
28:17
Speaker 2: the sense of, you can't say nothing about Evelyn's daughter
28:21
Speaker 2: before you see, you know, another side of her. Uh,
28:25
Speaker 2: you'll see the Liberty City side of Evelyn Lozado if
28:28
Speaker 2: you say anything about her daughter. And that's why I
28:32
Speaker 2: think for the audience justin it is kind of hard
28:36
Speaker 2: to digest them being real friends because the gold post
28:39
Speaker 2: is always moving all of those women. I'm gonna say it,
28:43
Speaker 2: none of us girls will ever talk about Evelyn's daughter
28:46
Speaker 2: and they know not to. But when it comes to
28:49
Speaker 2: Jackie's daughter, I understand she's a part of this show.
28:53
Speaker 2: But the same ruthe shall apply in sense of Chantelle. That'sha, Mama,
28:57
Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved in it. Pass the pork chop.
29:00
Speaker 4: Who the first person needs to play by them rules
29:02
Speaker 4: is Shantel Christie. Chantel Christie opened the door for that
29:05
Speaker 4: disrespect wide open for the cast to disrespect her mother
29:10
Speaker 4: and have an opinion and involve themselves in their business.
29:13
Speaker 5: Chantal did that. Chantale introduced that conversation.
29:17
Speaker 4: Chantal when she didn't check the first person that had
29:21
Speaker 4: something to say about her and Jackie beefing.
29:24
Speaker 5: She opened the door when.
29:25
Speaker 4: She started those conversations who discussed Jackie with those other
29:29
Speaker 4: women on the cast. She opened that door. Chantal did that,
29:34
Speaker 4: and she did it on purpose. It did not seem
29:37
Speaker 4: to me. I'm not even gonna be nice about it.
29:39
Speaker 4: Chantel wasn't there to resolved nothing. Chantel came on that
29:42
Speaker 4: show to embarrass her mother and to challenge her mother,
29:46
Speaker 4: which is why when Jackie asked her for more context
29:49
Speaker 4: her to go deeper, she was unable to because all
29:51
Speaker 4: she was focused on was the confrontational element.
29:54
Speaker 5: She wanted to confront Jackie and be the one that's
29:57
Speaker 5: my mother. I know her for real. She and fucking
30:00
Speaker 5: with y'all for years. I'm the one that's gonna come
30:02
Speaker 5: on this show and get her ass.
30:05
Speaker 4: That's what she did. That's what that was her m
30:07
Speaker 4: O coming on that cast this season.
30:11
Speaker 2: I'm reminded now, And this is why you guys have
30:14
Speaker 2: to make sure before y'all recap reality shows, you can
30:20
Speaker 2: actually watch everything.
30:22
Speaker 3: Anyways, I digress, So.
30:24
Speaker 2: I'm gagging rain drops because I with Dustin said he
30:30
Speaker 2: feels that Shanta came on the show to expose Jackie,
30:34
Speaker 2: and even with Jackie's like what's going on, she had
30:36
Speaker 2: nothing to say, but she would talk about her to
30:39
Speaker 2: the other girls. I'm reminded that remember when Chantelle told Brandy, oh,
30:45
Speaker 2: y'all think, y'all friends, she talks about you before we
30:47
Speaker 2: got here. My mama said this about you.
30:50
Speaker 5: Don't you like her? Now?
30:51
Speaker 3: Y'all cool?
30:52
Speaker 5: And I'm like, way mmm mmmm.
31:00
Speaker 3: So even when Jackie isn't, oh, my god's that said? Okay, guys, she.
31:05
Speaker 5: Had been holding that. She had been holding onto that.
31:09
Speaker 4: And remember, if you paid attention, Brandy kind of tried
31:11
Speaker 4: to deflect. Brandy never really took that bait, you know
31:14
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And even Brandy she wasn't really responsible
31:18
Speaker 4: responsive rather to that, and Chantelle doubled down mention that again.
31:23
Speaker 4: She kept mentioning that to Brandy in that scene that
31:26
Speaker 4: Jackie talked about her to try to sway her to
31:29
Speaker 4: have a different, you know, position in the situation. All
31:34
Speaker 4: of that was intentional, and it reflected an aim of focus.
31:38
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, It reflected somebody who had
31:41
Speaker 4: a mission who came on this show to embarrass her mama.
31:44
Speaker 4: That's what she came on the show to do. And
31:46
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to say about why she's mad
31:49
Speaker 4: at her mom, because that's we weren't exposed to that, right,
31:52
Speaker 4: we haven't seen the things that happen again. Obviously she
31:56
Speaker 4: arrived at that point from something taking place. But what
32:00
Speaker 4: we saw is what I have something to say about.
32:03
Speaker 4: And I did not like that ship we saw. I
32:05
Speaker 4: did not like that, not actually for the first time
32:09
Speaker 4: in over a decade, right, I feel sorry for Jackie.
32:13
Speaker 5: Christie on TV.
32:16
Speaker 2: Tell me, well, let me let me get to the altercation.
32:18
Speaker 2: And I do, but Dustin, don't let me forget asking
32:21
Speaker 2: why you felt sorry for her. But what I do
32:23
Speaker 2: want to get to first is so the first attempt
32:27
Speaker 2: of a one on one between Jackie and Chantella failed.
32:30
Speaker 3: Chantaa has dinner.
32:31
Speaker 2: I felt she was aged on again by some of
32:33
Speaker 2: the girls, not all not all brittant Denise, thank you,
32:38
Speaker 2: and then she changes her clothes and goes back to
32:41
Speaker 2: see her mother and Jackie.
32:45
Speaker 3: I've watched this scene ten times.
32:46
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure I look at the nuance,
32:49
Speaker 2: Jackie said, I'm giving you pretty much. I'm giving you
32:53
Speaker 2: the scene I'm giving. So what Jackie was doing is
32:57
Speaker 2: my daughter's on the show. I'm gonna say this, but
33:01
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Jackie said this to herself. But Jackie
33:05
Speaker 2: wanted to give her daughter a moment like get you
33:08
Speaker 2: get your TV moment on. You want to have a
33:10
Speaker 2: conversation with me, fine, and the and and you guys
33:13
Speaker 2: have to look at the at the at the nuances,
33:16
Speaker 2: Jackie asked her tell me what's wrong that opened the
33:21
Speaker 2: door and the floor for if Jackie has something to hide,
33:26
Speaker 2: in my opinion, she would not have said tell me
33:30
Speaker 2: what's wrong?
33:30
Speaker 3: What did I do? Tell me?
33:32
Speaker 2: And that's when Chattel said, it's a rhetorical question.
33:36
Speaker 4: Jackie, she said, it's a rhetorical yes or no question
33:44
Speaker 4: if it's a rhetorical question. But anyway, yeah.
33:47
Speaker 2: So I was like, your mother is pretty much saying
33:50
Speaker 2: to you your only show with me, you need this
33:53
Speaker 2: moment where you're on TV.
33:55
Speaker 3: I'm a og, I'm the face of this show. Where
33:58
Speaker 3: she is to me, what is it, I'm gonna give
34:01
Speaker 3: you a moment? What is it?
34:04
Speaker 2: And she she kept trying to egg herund and Jackie said,
34:07
Speaker 2: I would like for you to leave, because jackieaid at
34:09
Speaker 2: the beginning, I'm not gonna leave this high.
34:11
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get.
34:11
Speaker 2: Up at this point, you leave, she exited. She tries
34:15
Speaker 2: to leave, Jackie does say the exit looks good on you.
34:23
Speaker 5: This time.
34:24
Speaker 2: She turns back around and then she calls her bad
34:28
Speaker 2: mother and and listen, I'm not a mother. I don't
34:32
Speaker 2: know what it would feel like to constantly be told
34:35
Speaker 2: by your daughter your bad mother.
34:36
Speaker 3: Jackie gets up and like, can you leave.
34:39
Speaker 2: That's when Chantelle first put hands on her and pushed her,
34:44
Speaker 2: and in my opinion, Jackie gave a reflex, and whether
34:49
Speaker 2: it was gave a reflex because remember Dustin when your
34:54
Speaker 2: black mother and mine did too, said I will slap
34:57
Speaker 2: you in the middle of next week, and I told
34:59
Speaker 2: I'm other, Mama is Monday, and I would like to
35:03
Speaker 2: live to see another week. I don't I don't want
35:05
Speaker 2: to go to Wednesday today, Mama, it's Monday. Please don't
35:08
Speaker 2: slap me in the middle of next week. I don't
35:10
Speaker 2: like Wednesdays. And my mama said, try me again. I
35:15
Speaker 2: won't and I'm sorry. I believe and for the black
35:20
Speaker 2: mothers in the group chat. Let me know, I believe
35:23
Speaker 2: that was a reflex, right or wrong.
35:26
Speaker 3: I get it. You should never put your hands your child,
35:30
Speaker 3: I understand that. And as a child, you should never
35:33
Speaker 3: put your hands on your mom.
35:35
Speaker 2: They both were wrong. But what I'm saying to you
35:37
Speaker 2: guys is Jackie got pushed by her daughter. And I
35:45
Speaker 2: never pushed my mother to know what she would do.
35:47
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure if I pushed my mother, I
35:52
Speaker 2: would be on I will, I will, I would be
35:54
Speaker 2: at Wednesday.
35:56
Speaker 4: Jackie got pushed by her daughter. After Jackie got cussed
36:00
Speaker 4: out relentlessly by her daughter, okay for a long time,
36:05
Speaker 4: got caught all kinds of again, bitches, dumb ass bitches,
36:09
Speaker 4: stupid ass, bitch, your bad mother, your man gonna leave you.
36:14
Speaker 4: That's the kind of shit that Chantelle was hurling at
36:16
Speaker 4: her mother, over and over and over again, right on camera.
36:21
Speaker 4: So this is gonna make the cut because this is crazy. Okay,
36:26
Speaker 4: So Jackie was I think dealing with all of that.
36:29
Speaker 4: We've never never seen Jackie not take an opportunity to
36:33
Speaker 4: defend herself verbally. Until Chantel came on the show. Jackie
36:38
Speaker 4: kept disengaging. Person can only take so much, and I
36:43
Speaker 4: think Jackie said, you know what you've grown. I'm gonna
36:45
Speaker 4: let you say what you have to say. But her
36:47
Speaker 4: putting her hands on Jackie was too much, and I
36:50
Speaker 4: believe it was a natural reflex for her to rock
36:53
Speaker 4: her shit the way that she did.
36:55
Speaker 5: Jackie robbed her as she should have. I don't think
36:59
Speaker 5: she was wrong.
37:01
Speaker 4: I think it's wrong to be violent with any adult,
37:04
Speaker 4: especially between a mother and child, father and child siblings.
37:09
Speaker 5: Those are the last people that you need to hit.
37:11
Speaker 4: But after she had already crossed so many lines of disrespect, Okay,
37:18
Speaker 4: saying the worst shit you can say to a person
37:20
Speaker 4: on the street, to your mama, and then you're gonna
37:24
Speaker 4: fucking push me.
37:25
Speaker 5: That was it.
37:26
Speaker 4: Jackie saw red and she locked in and laid her out.
37:31
Speaker 4: And then even after that, Chantelle throwing things at her mother,
37:34
Speaker 4: cussing at her, and then scrambling because she realized that
37:37
Speaker 4: she had just began gotten embarrassed on television. So she's, yeah,
37:41
Speaker 4: let me leave. That's a good idea of just saying
37:44
Speaker 4: random stuff. What you're gonna do, Jackie and already blew
37:47
Speaker 4: shit out. You don't have no power here, little girl,
37:50
Speaker 4: that's your mother okay, and she just reminded you that
37:53
Speaker 4: she's the mama and you the daughter in that moment,
37:56
Speaker 4: no matter how big your bark is, no matter how
37:59
Speaker 4: much cussing you on to do, she fizzled out because
38:02
Speaker 4: there was nothing substantive there to marrit what we saw.
38:07
Speaker 5: And that's why she got our mouth blew out. Simple.
38:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I when I saw that, Dustin
38:17
Speaker 2: for me, right, Look, I do believe they both were wrong.
38:22
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell anybody how to react to something. Right,
38:26
Speaker 2: I too wrong, don't make it right to me, right,
38:29
Speaker 2: But what I will say is this, Dustin. When I
38:32
Speaker 2: saw that for the first time, and I saw that
38:35
Speaker 2: after we went off air last night, yeah, I got
38:40
Speaker 2: emotional because to.
38:43
Speaker 3: Me, it was sort of like.
38:48
Speaker 2: I would have been fine never seeing that image the
38:51
Speaker 2: day of my life. I would have been okay. Never
38:54
Speaker 2: seeing that. I just I would have been okay never
38:58
Speaker 2: seeing that, And it to me shows that unfortunately, that
39:07
Speaker 2: image would be out there for the rest of their lives.
39:10
Speaker 3: And what's sad is Chantell is raising a daughter.
39:14
Speaker 2: And that's why for me, as I spoke to you
39:16
Speaker 2: guys about whatever issues I have with my own father
39:19
Speaker 2: that were so passed now, but I had to let
39:26
Speaker 2: my issues with my father go in order for me
39:29
Speaker 2: to be fruitful in life. I couldn't hold onto the
39:33
Speaker 2: pain anymore. So I set him down in front of
39:36
Speaker 2: my mother and said everything I felt.
39:38
Speaker 3: Since I was five, and I released it. And I
39:41
Speaker 3: did it more so for me than for him.
39:44
Speaker 2: I'm grateful Dustin that he said I'm sorry, but I
39:48
Speaker 2: didn't need that.
39:48
Speaker 3: I needed to release it so I could move home
39:50
Speaker 3: with my life.
39:52
Speaker 2: I would have preferred for Chantelle to answer her mother
39:56
Speaker 2: so that she's able to release it.
39:58
Speaker 3: And because she is raising a dog her and being
40:03
Speaker 3: a mother.
40:03
Speaker 2: I don't know what that feels like, and I don't
40:06
Speaker 2: know what it's like to be a parent. But there's
40:08
Speaker 2: not an instructured manual one receives and how to be
40:13
Speaker 2: a parent. It's either innate, it's either you learn on
40:17
Speaker 2: the job. It's trial and error, but it should never
40:20
Speaker 2: result in physical violence, whether you push your mother and
40:25
Speaker 2: and the reflex. I feel sad for both of them, Dustin,
40:29
Speaker 2: because that image is going to be.
40:31
Speaker 3: Out there forever.
40:32
Speaker 2: And shall Tell's daughter, chan Tell's daughter has to grow
40:35
Speaker 2: up seeing her mother and her grandmama get into it,
40:39
Speaker 2: and and and her and Jackie's children have to see that,
40:44
Speaker 2: and Duck have to see it.
40:46
Speaker 3: And I do want to I do want to get
40:47
Speaker 3: to the dug things, Dustin.
40:48
Speaker 2: That's been a big debate on social media about Doug
40:52
Speaker 2: where a lot of people are saying two things, and
40:56
Speaker 2: I'll start with one, Dustin. Oh, before I do that,
40:59
Speaker 2: I want to get back to your thing. Why is
41:02
Speaker 2: it that you for the first time do feel sorry
41:04
Speaker 2: for Jackie?
41:05
Speaker 5: Because this is the first time. I'll go ahead, what
41:08
Speaker 5: was you gonna say?
41:09
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're saying the first time you felt sorry
41:12
Speaker 2: for Jackie in the history of her presence on the show.
41:15
Speaker 4: For sure, And it's because this is the first time
41:17
Speaker 4: I saw real, something that was real from her on
41:20
Speaker 4: a level where it was just straight up authentic, Right,
41:24
Speaker 4: Jackie not want to argue with her daughter and cuts
41:26
Speaker 4: her daughter out on TV.
41:28
Speaker 5: That was real.
41:29
Speaker 4: Jackie walking away from them scenes with her daughter to
41:32
Speaker 4: avoid those sort of verbal interactions with her daughter.
41:34
Speaker 5: That was real.
41:35
Speaker 4: This is the first time Jackie been on some Let's
41:38
Speaker 4: be real, Carlos. What makes Jackie good on this show
41:40
Speaker 4: is that she's always full of shit, right, lying about something,
41:44
Speaker 4: doing too much being delusion or whatever. This was the
41:48
Speaker 4: first time that I saw something that was relatable, real, understandable,
41:53
Speaker 4: and undoubtedly authentic from her and as a human being
41:57
Speaker 4: right with family that I haven't been happy with before,
42:02
Speaker 4: with challenges I've had, you know before, seeing that on TV.
42:06
Speaker 5: I felt for Jackie. I felt for her. I did.
42:09
Speaker 4: I felt for Jackie Christie. Another thing I want to say,
42:13
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to say about what has taken place,
42:18
Speaker 4: the occurrences that have taken place in the relationship between
42:21
Speaker 4: Jackie and Chantale. I don't have anything to say about
42:24
Speaker 4: Jackie's relationship with her other daughter, none of that. What
42:27
Speaker 4: I have an opinion on is what I saw on
42:29
Speaker 4: that TV last night, which I hope that siren that
42:32
Speaker 4: you hear in the background.
42:33
Speaker 5: When you hear you tell.
42:35
Speaker 4: But I literally just did not like seeing her cuss
42:41
Speaker 4: her mama out like that and push her mama on TV.
42:45
Speaker 4: It was not her being passionate in the heat of
42:48
Speaker 4: a moment in an argument. That was her continuously basically
42:53
Speaker 4: going after her mother, trying to start an argument and
42:55
Speaker 4: cussing her mother out, calling her by her name, all
42:57
Speaker 4: kind of shit, just being wildly dish respectful. That was
43:01
Speaker 4: crazy to me. I don't have kids, but I would
43:03
Speaker 4: raise my children to be vocal even when they were
43:06
Speaker 4: upset with me. Let me know how I hurt you,
43:09
Speaker 4: Let me know what made you mad, Let me know
43:10
Speaker 4: how you feel.
43:11
Speaker 5: We can talk about it. You know what I'm saying.
43:13
Speaker 4: But that shit that we seen, you dumb ass, bitch,
43:18
Speaker 4: you a whole, and all of that that we saw
43:20
Speaker 4: that was way too much. I can't remember what movie
43:23
Speaker 4: it was. I want to say it was The Brothers.
43:25
Speaker 4: You remember that movie The Brothers.
43:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, one of the others. I think she uh.
43:30
Speaker 4: They were asking her, the daughter was saying something to
43:33
Speaker 4: her that was faster on. She was like, ah, that's
43:35
Speaker 4: a little too much me and you. And I never
43:37
Speaker 4: forgot that because that is certain lines that you just
43:40
Speaker 4: don't cross when it comes to your parents.
43:43
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
43:44
Speaker 4: It's a way to let your parents know they pitched
43:46
Speaker 4: you off, but you don't call them bitches, wholes, motherfuckers
43:50
Speaker 4: and all that other shit. And you definitely don't do
43:52
Speaker 4: it on television where it's archived forever. That it was
43:56
Speaker 4: crazy to me. I did not like it.
43:58
Speaker 5: I didn't like seeing her push her mama and I
44:01
Speaker 5: was glad when Jackie popped her as that's how I
44:03
Speaker 5: feel about it.
44:05
Speaker 3: There's been a big debate on.
44:08
Speaker 2: Doug's involvement in all of this, or lack thereof, I
44:11
Speaker 2: should say, in addition to his involvement.
44:16
Speaker 3: Social media split Dustin.
44:17
Speaker 2: They feel like when Chantelle constantly says things like your
44:24
Speaker 2: husband is going to leave you, and she even told
44:28
Speaker 2: the girls that I'm gonna say it, you know there's
44:32
Speaker 2: issues there.
44:34
Speaker 3: I staid up to my mom and your kids don't
44:38
Speaker 3: like you.
44:41
Speaker 2: People are debating whether or not Doug is somebody that
44:45
Speaker 2: stands in the middle of the kids' issues with their
44:51
Speaker 2: mom in terms of is he involved or is he
44:55
Speaker 2: out of the picture with this?
44:56
Speaker 3: What is your take?
44:57
Speaker 2: Because as much as I love my mother, I still
45:05
Speaker 2: never articulated that I'm going to go against my dad
45:09
Speaker 2: or or or say things that would would would paint
45:14
Speaker 2: my father as if I'm on his side.
45:18
Speaker 3: And I heard I'm on my mama's side and not his,
45:21
Speaker 3: that that part was confusing to me.
45:22
Speaker 2: Do you think there's there could be something to where
45:25
Speaker 2: Doug just has been passive when it comes to this
45:28
Speaker 2: situation with the kids and Jackie or Jackie More importantly.
45:33
Speaker 4: I think that as it relates to what we saw
45:35
Speaker 4: last night, and as it relates to what we watch
45:38
Speaker 4: on Basketball Wives, it's a moot point what Doug has
45:42
Speaker 4: to say. Doug ain't on the damn Show outside of
45:45
Speaker 4: a guest appearance here and there over the years, you know,
45:48
Speaker 4: for the wedding or you know home scenes.
45:51
Speaker 5: Where she's talking to him in the kitchen.
45:53
Speaker 4: Doug ain't never been in the mix with the business
45:55
Speaker 4: on this show, even when it's his business. Because again,
45:58
Speaker 4: this ain't the first time that Jackie and her daughters
46:01
Speaker 4: or her relationship with her children has been mentioned or
46:04
Speaker 4: focused on or highlighted on this show, and Doug was
46:07
Speaker 4: not a part of the conversation, then Doug don't.
46:09
Speaker 5: Have nothing to do with this.
46:11
Speaker 4: We don't know what his position is, and it's none
46:13
Speaker 4: of our business because he's not a voice on this show.
46:18
Speaker 5: I think people would like to see.
46:20
Speaker 4: That because it would make it easier to understand and
46:22
Speaker 4: they would be able to say, well, the father is
46:24
Speaker 4: doing it right, but ultimately it's none of our damn business.
46:28
Speaker 4: And this is what I mean about the show going
46:30
Speaker 4: are further away from what we see on the TV.
46:34
Speaker 4: The dialogue about what Doug has to say is irrelevant.
46:37
Speaker 5: He's not a part of this.
46:38
Speaker 4: We're talking about the damn Show, unless he filmed scenes
46:41
Speaker 4: where they discuss it, or unless VH one creates a
46:44
Speaker 4: spin off where it is about Jackie's family and all
46:47
Speaker 4: the people that are all the players involved in these stories,
46:51
Speaker 4: our members, and we're watching it, then we talk about
46:54
Speaker 4: what other people had to say.
46:56
Speaker 5: Why are we even discussing it? You know what I'm saying.
46:59
Speaker 4: Doug has nothing thing to do with that, and it's
47:01
Speaker 4: none of our business what his take is on that
47:04
Speaker 4: very personal family matter. Let's focus on what we seen
47:07
Speaker 4: last night, which was Chantelle cussing her mama out and
47:10
Speaker 4: then fistfighting.
47:11
Speaker 5: That's enough, That's how I feel.
47:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. So after the altercation, Chantell goes back to join
47:22
Speaker 2: the ladies and pretty much just says everything that her
47:25
Speaker 2: mother did to her. What I found to be interesting
47:29
Speaker 2: is she never once said anything that she did. In
47:33
Speaker 2: addition to that, she did not mention that obviously I
47:36
Speaker 2: pushed her, She did not mention that, you know, I
47:39
Speaker 2: said these things to her.
47:41
Speaker 3: She let all of the things go, and then you.
47:44
Speaker 2: Saw the girls sort of rally with her, and it's
47:50
Speaker 2: one of those things where we'll see what happens when
47:52
Speaker 2: since finale, but.
47:55
Speaker 3: That I didn't like that either.
47:57
Speaker 2: I don't like that because it's sort of like, I
48:01
Speaker 2: know that Jackie into our favorite person. I get that,
48:04
Speaker 2: but evidence have shown that there's two sides of the
48:09
Speaker 2: story and that yes, hug her and do all the things.
48:13
Speaker 2: That's fine, but I didn't like how Everlynn, I feel
48:18
Speaker 2: like Evelyn, even the argument on the beach, I just
48:20
Speaker 2: like Evelyn.
48:23
Speaker 3: This I Evelyn.
48:27
Speaker 2: Was definitely a contradiction throughout this whole saga. I love Evelyn.
48:34
Speaker 2: I think she's great for the show. If I'm basing
48:36
Speaker 2: it off of the character that I love since season one,
48:39
Speaker 2: that Evelyn who's still on business for her daughter, the
48:43
Speaker 2: Evelyn that I've watched since day one would have never
48:46
Speaker 2: chosen a side when it comes to a mother and
48:48
Speaker 2: a daughter.
48:49
Speaker 3: That would have never been the case.
48:52
Speaker 2: The bias was clear when she said I woke up
48:56
Speaker 2: crying for Chantala's.
48:57
Speaker 3: Like you.
49:01
Speaker 2: Like, let's have a real conversation. Your bias is showing here.
49:05
Speaker 2: It was a typic to me.
49:07
Speaker 4: Typically Carlos, when people who covet their children as much
49:12
Speaker 4: as these ladies have purported themselves too. Right, There's a
49:16
Speaker 4: softness or a gentleness that softens even the most tough
49:21
Speaker 4: exteriors when it comes to women who are mothers, right,
49:24
Speaker 4: or people who are mothers. You know what I'm saying, Like,
49:28
Speaker 4: I didn't see that when it came to Evelyn. It
49:32
Speaker 4: would have been different if Evelyn was like, Damn, I
49:34
Speaker 4: woke up crying for Chantelle and Jackie, and so I'm
49:37
Speaker 4: going to talk to Jackie today and have a soft,
49:41
Speaker 4: hard to heart mother to mother conversation where I say, hey,
49:45
Speaker 4: y'all gotta find some peace Jackie.
49:47
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, like whatever, whatever.
49:48
Speaker 4: That's different than saying I woke up crying for Chantelle
49:51
Speaker 4: and if your mother comes down here, it's gonna be
49:53
Speaker 4: a fucking war.
49:54
Speaker 5: That's totally different, And it doesn't align with.
49:58
Speaker 4: How Evelyn was about to flip tables and all kind
50:01
Speaker 4: of shit at Jackie overcoming she made that were grossly
50:04
Speaker 4: inappropriate about her daughter Shanese.
50:07
Speaker 5: It don't line up.
50:08
Speaker 4: And so to me, that means that you are using
50:11
Speaker 4: this situation as a way to get at Jackie, as
50:15
Speaker 4: a way to antagonize Jackie or fuck with her, and
50:17
Speaker 4: you're you're involving yourself. That conversation at the beach was
50:20
Speaker 4: crazy to me, crazy because it came from nowhere too,
50:26
Speaker 4: like where where is this energy? Even like I just
50:31
Speaker 4: I was surprised. So Jackie left in too, and Brittany
50:35
Speaker 4: wasn't I mean, Chantel wasn't even there. But it was
50:38
Speaker 4: about Shantale and so she got up and left. She
50:41
Speaker 4: won't even engage with them women for real, for real.
50:44
Speaker 4: After she had that dust up with Brittany, Jackie stopped
50:47
Speaker 4: really fucking with them when it came to conversations about
50:49
Speaker 4: her daughter or excuse me, like she always used to
50:52
Speaker 4: say my daughter. She always used to say it like
50:54
Speaker 4: it was TTEI. That's how she always to say daughter,
50:59
Speaker 4: like me and my daughter.
51:02
Speaker 5: But she did you remember that ship? My daughter? That's
51:09
Speaker 5: my daughter. That's what I can do that But I
51:12
Speaker 5: don't know you know what I'm saying. That was that ship.
51:16
Speaker 5: That was not cool to me. That wasn't cool to
51:18
Speaker 5: me at all.
51:20
Speaker 3: Nothing what the top of me?
51:21
Speaker 4: Please, my daughter is d O T T E. That's
51:26
Speaker 4: my daughter. Let me tell you something about my daughter.
51:28
Speaker 4: Me and my daughter, that's what she You ain't gonna
51:32
Speaker 4: talk about my daughter that's what that's what she would say.
51:39
Speaker 3: Hey man, hey man.
51:44
Speaker 5: My daughter, that's my daughter. That's what she would always do.
51:47
Speaker 4: But I don't know. That was just that was some
51:49
Speaker 4: foul ship to me. Man, I did not like seeing that.
51:53
Speaker 4: I did not like what I saw. That's what that's
51:56
Speaker 4: what s.
51:59
Speaker 5: You know? Oh God, because you like.
52:06
Speaker 3: So Dustin.
52:06
Speaker 2: At the end, we did hear the audio. Baby Jackie
52:10
Speaker 2: called her husband and said, look, let me tell you.
52:14
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what it is.
52:17
Speaker 5: Look just like said he was going to.
52:21
Speaker 2: Call up.
52:26
Speaker 3: That is funny. No, dust we're gonna talk about this.
52:29
Speaker 2: When they sat down for the last time and Jackie
52:33
Speaker 2: had her phone out and Chantelle said, are you recording?
52:35
Speaker 3: Yes, she goes, no, I was just checking sha chat.
52:46
Speaker 2: Tell you ate that Chattel has moments. I'm like not
52:50
Speaker 2: to be cute ship like, so you recorded that. It
52:53
Speaker 2: was sort of like, well, damn, Jackie, are you like
52:56
Speaker 2: what you said?
52:57
Speaker 3: Go call doug Hey, Dougie.
53:00
Speaker 5: So like that. That's what I'm saying.
53:01
Speaker 4: The way she could have did it without being grossly
53:05
Speaker 4: disrespectful like she was. Certain shit, you just you don't
53:09
Speaker 4: you don't be mean the old people and kids, you
53:12
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you don't fucking disrespect your parents
53:15
Speaker 4: and grandparents. It's just certain things you just don't fucking
53:19
Speaker 4: do in life. And what we saw last night was
53:21
Speaker 4: just somebody that didn't care about that.
53:23
Speaker 5: I did not like seeing that. I didn't.
53:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I didn't either. So listen.
53:29
Speaker 2: What we don't know is this Jackie and Chantell have
53:34
Speaker 2: not been active on social media.
53:36
Speaker 5: Thank god.
53:38
Speaker 2: I do love that this is not a Meian Porsche
53:42
Speaker 2: around too, So I'm happy that. I'm happy that Jackie
53:46
Speaker 2: as Chantelle decided to listen.
53:48
Speaker 3: All just aside, I will say this.
53:50
Speaker 2: I'll I'll wrap things up by saying this, and I'm
53:52
Speaker 2: sure Justina was the same way. But I want to
53:54
Speaker 2: hear from Dustin' too. Mike Park goes out to the
53:57
Speaker 2: Christy family. I really do hope that they all saw
54:02
Speaker 2: themselves and said, what can we do?
54:06
Speaker 3: Doug is the.
54:07
Speaker 2: Man of the house. I'm old fashioned a lot of ways.
54:13
Speaker 2: I do believe as the men of the house. I
54:15
Speaker 2: hope that Doug is able to really sit his whole
54:18
Speaker 2: family down and really deal with this. And there isn't
54:23
Speaker 2: Dustin not shure you know this, There's not going to
54:26
Speaker 2: be a reunion for this particular season. Okay, so the
54:31
Speaker 2: finale does air next week. So unfortunately we don't know
54:37
Speaker 2: where things stand today between Chantilla and Jackie. I did
54:41
Speaker 2: do it interview with Jackie the first week the show
54:44
Speaker 2: came out. I did ask her about Chantale. Jackie made
54:50
Speaker 2: it up here that they're fine. So I don't I
54:52
Speaker 2: don't know.
54:53
Speaker 3: I don't know. But what I do know and you
54:55
Speaker 3: know this too, dustn't.
54:56
Speaker 2: Once reality starts, watched the season over again, it does
55:01
Speaker 2: read your.
55:01
Speaker 3: Feelings does resurface.
55:03
Speaker 2: So my heart goes out to Jackie, my heart goes
55:06
Speaker 2: out to Chantelle, my heart goes out to the entire
55:09
Speaker 2: Chrissy family. All jumps aside. I really do want to
55:13
Speaker 2: see you guys making work, and I will go out
55:16
Speaker 2: and say this. I don't want to see you guys
55:19
Speaker 2: coming together ever again.
55:20
Speaker 5: I'm on me either.
55:25
Speaker 4: They need to bring Yanla back and they need to
55:27
Speaker 4: take their ass on the Yandler.
55:29
Speaker 5: That's what we need to do. Carlos.
55:30
Speaker 4: You got a relationship with own, Let's get a Yanda
55:32
Speaker 4: special going on. You know what I'm saying, and you
55:35
Speaker 4: link it up. Do what you gotta do. But they
55:37
Speaker 4: obviously need some work all jokes aside. Like you said,
55:41
Speaker 4: of course, you know, we want resolve. We want that
55:43
Speaker 4: family to get back connected in the right ways.
55:46
Speaker 5: We want healing for their family.
55:48
Speaker 4: We want Chantelle to stop cussing her mother out in
55:51
Speaker 4: private and in public. We want Jackie to be reasonable
55:55
Speaker 4: and shut up and listen for real, for real, and
55:58
Speaker 4: we want them to find peace. That's what I want.
56:01
Speaker 4: I know that's what you want. We want them to find.
56:04
Speaker 4: But she deserved what she got last night.
56:06
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, thank you Dustin so much for doing
56:10
Speaker 2: this range. I love you more and make sure y'all
56:14
Speaker 2: watch Explicit interview. Inspired dropped a lot of gems about
56:19
Speaker 2: business marriage.
56:21
Speaker 3: It's a really really good interview and a yacht.
56:24
Speaker 4: So I was just about to say, first of all, y'ah,
56:26
Speaker 4: you're doing that on location on that yacht, and you
56:29
Speaker 4: did just hilarious in which was also a good interview.
56:32
Speaker 5: You did that in the studio. I see what you're doing.
56:36
Speaker 3: Brother.
56:37
Speaker 4: When I seen that reality yet I'm going to the area.
56:40
Speaker 4: Yet when I seen that that preview for Keish interview
56:44
Speaker 4: and you always on that yacht, I was like, look
56:46
Speaker 4: at this nigga doing this day. I was working all
56:50
Speaker 4: day today, so i didn't get a chance to watch it,
56:51
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna watch tonight.
56:53
Speaker 3: Oh It's a good one. It's gonna dustin.
56:55
Speaker 2: It will leave you, inspire the business and Keisha Davis.
56:59
Speaker 2: I I share a story about how she inspired me.
57:02
Speaker 2: So just know she impacted my life in many ways.
57:05
Speaker 2: And I cannot wait for you guys to watch it.
57:06
Speaker 2: If you haven't said, congratulations, Thank you guys, thank you brother.
57:10
Speaker 2: I love you guys so much. All Right, I'll see
57:12
Speaker 2: you guys next week.
57:13
Speaker 3: Love y'all. Bye.
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57:23
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