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Big Questions for Chaim Bloom and the Cardinals Offseason · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson, who has a beautiful compound.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for showing that to us the other day.
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Speaker 1: Just beautiful. Lance is at the beach. Lance, I can
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Speaker 1: see the sunshine and everything. As for the Cardinals, they're
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Speaker 1: in a rebuild. We've talked about it time and time again.
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Speaker 1: That rebuild is not yet complete, so they have some
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Speaker 1: work to do in the offseason. So we thought we
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Speaker 1: would come up with three questions. that the Cardinals have
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Speaker 1: to face during the offseason, and as we talked about
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Speaker 1: it in our group text, Lance wanted to go first
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Speaker 1: and throw his number one question out there as we
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Speaker 1: move this puppy along.
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Speaker 2: Well, the number one question I think on everyone's mind,
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Speaker 2: is Jim going to be back on the sidelines next year?
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Speaker 2: Ready to go, because there is no Cardinals baseball without
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Speaker 2: Jim the Cat. testering with questions in-game and post-game in
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Speaker 2: the locker room. So that's the real pressing question I
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Speaker 2: think every fan wants to know.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a fair question. I was told I will
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Speaker 1: be back in a similar role. For context, thank you,
1:21
Speaker 1: thank you. For context, I did have half my games chopped,
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Speaker 1: but they're going to start doing more pre- and post-shows,
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Speaker 1: full shows on the road. So I think I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get some of that. And they told me I'm
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Speaker 1: going to have similar roles like at home games. So
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Speaker 1: if I can trust the people that are in charge
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Speaker 1: of this, yes, I will be back in some form
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Speaker 1: or another. Thank you for your concern. I just don't
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Speaker 1: think that's the number one question about the Cardinals offseason.
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Speaker 1: But I will say this, Lance. Someone mentioned to me
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Speaker 1: and my son at his game the other day that
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Speaker 1: they've seen our back-and-forths. after you got hit by that
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Speaker 1: line drive in your first game with the Cardinals. I
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Speaker 1: know Kyle has seen it. We've talked about it on
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Speaker 1: the show before. So I'm sitting there with my son.
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Speaker 1: I go, let's see how many views that thing has.
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Speaker 1: So that thing's been posted by different people, and it's
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Speaker 1: got like 6 million views on one 5 million views.
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Speaker 3: Lance, have you seen the monetized part of that, or no?
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Speaker 3: Or is it only Jim?
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Speaker 1: I haven't monetized it. I never posted it. I got nothing.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's making money off that clip. Okay, so that's our
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Speaker 1: first question. I think it was a fair one. Lance
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Speaker 1: tried to put me behind the eight ball on that,
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Speaker 1: which I appreciate. But I think, like I said, if
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Speaker 1: the people that are in charge who've already talked to
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Speaker 1: me that I'll be back can be trusted, I'll be back.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's at least good news for me
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Speaker 1: and my family. that I'm trying to support. Kyle, do
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Speaker 1: you have a question?
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Speaker 3: Jim, my statement on that is I think everybody's worried
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Speaker 3: about this TV revenue, and I just have a feeling
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Speaker 3: that as soon as this deal is announced, which it
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Speaker 3: will be at some point, massive revenue increases will follow.
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Speaker 3: So I think there's good things on the horizon for
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Speaker 3: MLB and its media members. My question for you is
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Speaker 3: when it comes to this CBA deal, is there's going
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Speaker 3: to be a dead period from December 1st or 2nd
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Speaker 3: through the actual deal, all right? So who knows when
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Speaker 3: that deal is going to be? If that dead period lengthens,
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Speaker 3: how does that affect the Cardinals' plans going into next year? Now,
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Speaker 3: maybe they're just building inside the org, so maybe it
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Speaker 3: doesn't affect them, but they're going to have to bring
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Speaker 3: in somebody at some point. So how do you think
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Speaker 3: with that looming dead period coming, How do you think
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Speaker 3: that's going to affect Heimbloom's plans for this rebuild?
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Speaker 1: I'll go first on that. The Cardinals are very cautious.
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Speaker 1: You know, cost certainty are two big words for the
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Speaker 1: way that the Cardinals have always operated, which I think
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Speaker 1: is smart running a business. You don't know how much
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Speaker 1: money you'll have, so you have to watch how you spend.
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Speaker 1: So I think they're going to sit on things for
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Speaker 1: a while until they know the lay of the land,
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Speaker 1: which I think would be Now, at some point when
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Speaker 1: they know the revenue, and hopefully it's additional as you forecast,
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Speaker 1: then they can go out and take care of some
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Speaker 1: things that they'd like to take care of that aren't
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Speaker 1: necessarily things that are done in-house. I'm talking about acquiring
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Speaker 1: talent from outside trade, free agent. But until you know
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Speaker 1: what your funds are, I think it's wise to just
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Speaker 1: sit back and wait and see what's coming. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's how they're going to operate.
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Speaker 3: Lance, what do you think?
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Speaker 2: I might be wrong here, but don't they have $ 120
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Speaker 2: billion a year coming from national TV anyways? 100%.
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Speaker 3: That was going to be my point.
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Speaker 2: So they're going to see how much more they're going
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Speaker 2: to get? Is that what we're waiting on? But you
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Speaker 2: also have to realize he's already put the writing on
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Speaker 2: the wall that he said, we don't know exactly what
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Speaker 2: our core is. We've got a good idea what our
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Speaker 2: core is, but we still don't know what our core is.
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Speaker 2: So he was setting up it for another quote-unquote quiet
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Speaker 2: offseason and it's just to make sure that they're doing
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Speaker 2: the money thing to lock in what they need to
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Speaker 2: do when it comes to the next cba so um
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Speaker 2: that's where they're at right now i mean we can
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Speaker 2: have all the dead period we want they're gonna wait
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Speaker 2: for something to fall on their lap after the lockout's
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Speaker 2: over do a couple one years see if they can
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Speaker 2: hit lighting a bottle make a close season run and
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Speaker 2: then see what they get from there.
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Speaker 3: So Yeah, Robot Lance has spoken. Hold on, Jim.
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Speaker 1: Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, Jim, Jim, Jim.
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Speaker 3: Jim, this is my question. I think it's fair for
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Speaker 3: me to put in my two cents here.
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Speaker 1: Wait, can I just interject?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, please.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Jim.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't we have gotten Robot Lance as he was putting
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Speaker 1: me on the spot? Good point. Good point.
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Speaker 3: Good point. Lance brings up a good point. And I
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Speaker 3: think the thing that has to be kept in mind
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Speaker 3: is there is no drop in revenue sharing on the
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Speaker 3: horizon either. So if the Cardinals are worried about lower
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Speaker 3: share of the pie, I don't think that's a thing.
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Speaker 3: If anything, MLB and players are going to push for
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Speaker 3: more dollars being spread out because that's what everybody's clamoring
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Speaker 3: for when it comes to the cap on the floor.
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Speaker 3: I think they can solve that if they choose to
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Speaker 3: share more money. I think that number this year was
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Speaker 3: in between 100 and 120 million. So with the Cardinals'
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Speaker 3: salary of around 60-something or 70-something, whatever it was, of
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Speaker 3: just their active roster, I think next year if they're
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Speaker 3: around that number, they are still going to be well
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Speaker 3: below the amount of payroll sharing and revenue sharing that
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Speaker 3: goes around the pie.
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Speaker 1: All right. My question now is bullpen. The number one
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Speaker 1: need on this ball club is bullpen. So my question
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Speaker 1: that they have to face in the off season, regardless
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Speaker 1: of how much money there is, is where do you
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Speaker 1: start fixing the bullpen? Right? So if you look at
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Speaker 1: what they did last year, um, You had Riley O'Brien,
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Speaker 1: who faded at the end but was an all-star, had
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Speaker 1: a lot of saves. You figure he's in the mix somewhere.
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Speaker 1: You have Brule, who was very good out of the bullpen.
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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people saw this coming,
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Speaker 1: but he was as solid as it got. Gastelum, who
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Speaker 1: got rocked early until he learned how to pitch sequence
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Speaker 1: and sort of set up that change-up that you can
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Speaker 1: see guys have no clue against. And then you have Graceffo,
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Speaker 1: who was arguably their best guy out of the bullpen,
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Speaker 1: but who could possibly be a starter? He still wants
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Speaker 1: to start. So, Lance, the question is, where do you
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Speaker 1: start with that bullpen fix?
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Speaker 2: Well, the number one thing is you've got to see
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Speaker 2: how much money you have to spend. And if you're
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Speaker 2: trying to put a playoff caliber bullpen, then you've got
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Speaker 2: to go back in. And when you get back in,
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Speaker 2: everybody slants forward. So they play a little bit better
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Speaker 2: because if you have people in the back end that
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Speaker 2: you can't trust, now they become your middle relievers or
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Speaker 2: your set up men. And then you have back end
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Speaker 2: guys to cover what you need to. So if you're
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Speaker 2: going for it, you need two back end guys and
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Speaker 2: then everyone else can kind of fill in where they
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Speaker 2: need to from there. And we all know you can
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Speaker 2: build a bullpen in the offseason and free agent market.
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Speaker 2: It's the question is, what are you willing to do?
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Speaker 2: Are you looking for one for six million, one for eight,
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Speaker 2: one for twelve? and that's where they're going to have
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Speaker 2: to make some choices. They got Stanek for one for
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Speaker 2: three last year. So if you get a couple guys
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Speaker 2: like that and then splurge for a true setup or
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Speaker 2: closer type, next thing you know, you just bought three
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Speaker 2: relievers that you can pencil in from the seventh on
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Speaker 2: for right around $ 15 million. So that's kind of how
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Speaker 2: you have to do it and go from there if
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Speaker 2: you want to do that. Or you can bargain in
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Speaker 2: and get three or four guys for $ 3 million and
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Speaker 2: then see where it all shakes out at the end.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do agree with Lance if depending on what
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Speaker 3: their plans are, right? I think the pitching side of
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Speaker 3: things is really going to show the hand here of
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals. How much they add is going to be
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Speaker 3: showing to me the level of confidence in the run
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Speaker 3: that they're going to make. I think if Stanek fit
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Speaker 3: in down there, which by all accounts seems like he did,
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Speaker 3: I think he threw the ball well down the stretch.
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Speaker 3: He also had a couple outings early that really impacted
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Speaker 3: his numbers from maybe May 1st on. He was really solid.
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Speaker 3: I think you bring him back. And then one guy
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Speaker 3: that we didn't talk any about this year, that was
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Speaker 3: Jim the Big Cat Hayes' favorite guy. coming into the
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Speaker 3: year is Swanson. I think he's a guy that we
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Speaker 3: look at and the Cardinals are going to be looking
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Speaker 3: at how can we get him back to 2025 form
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Speaker 3: and he becomes one of these back-end guys to help
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Speaker 3: O'Brien and Soriano and Gaslam and Graceffo if he's down
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Speaker 3: there and whoever else mixes in. So that's probably what
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Speaker 3: I would do if they add in another guy, I
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Speaker 3: think it shows some confidence in what this team can do.
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Speaker 3: I know you like that, Jim.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Swanson, I whiffed on that. I still
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Speaker 1: think there's something there. Maybe they can fix him. You
10:35
Speaker 1: know what we're going to do? We're going to take
10:36
Speaker 1: a quick break. We're going to take a quick break,
10:39
Speaker 1: and we're going to come back, and then we'll see
10:42
Speaker 1: if we can get the microphone straight.
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10:48
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Speaker 1: Well, we lost Lance Lynn, who's apparently becoming a robot.
12:00
Speaker 1: And that conversion from Cuban to robotics, not complete. So
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Speaker 1: next time we see Lance, he might be like encased
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Speaker 1: in metal or something like that. But we're going to
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Speaker 1: carry on with Kyle Gibson. Kyle, let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: because one of the big questions we've talked about on
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Speaker 1: this podcast is who gets extended. Now, if the Cardinals,
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Speaker 1: they have some time now, they're going to try to
12:22
Speaker 1: figure out who's who in the lineup. They got a
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Speaker 1: couple of guys who are screaming for extensions. And if
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Speaker 1: If they figure the money's in the right place, the
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Speaker 1: two guys you're probably looking at are Burley and Walker.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're going to go ahead
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Speaker 1: and do both, but a guy like what? Burley's going
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Speaker 1: to be a free agent after the 28 seasons. Walker
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Speaker 1: after the 29 season. Walker's younger than Burley. That might
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Speaker 1: factor in. Do you think this offseason we see an
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Speaker 1: extension with one of those guys? And if so, who
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Speaker 1: do you think is... tops on the priority list at present?
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Speaker 3: I do not think we see an extension until they
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Speaker 3: figure out the CBA and what that's going to look like.
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Speaker 3: And I honestly don't. I think they should be extending people,
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Speaker 3: but I'm also a former player, so that's probably a
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Speaker 3: little biased. But I don't believe you're going to see
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Speaker 3: any extensions until they know that this is the squad
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Speaker 3: that they're going with. If you get yourself in a
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Speaker 3: situation where you put extensions out there a little bit
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Speaker 3: too early and your team is not quite there, well,
13:33
Speaker 3: then you've locked yourself into players that maybe you don't
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Speaker 3: necessarily see being there. I believe Jordan Walker and Rosen
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Speaker 3: will be there. I think it's a good idea. Or
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Speaker 3: else you're going to be flipping this core after 2028
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Speaker 3: and trying to find a different group of guys. So
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Speaker 3: I think that they should be doing it, but I
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Speaker 3: think they're going to wait until the CBA is up.
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Speaker 3: Just my opinion.
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Speaker 1: Do you have another one?
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Speaker 3: I have one more. I have one more question to
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Speaker 3: wrap this up. I think that going back to pitching,
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Speaker 3: because I'm a pitcher, I think regardless of what their
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Speaker 3: plans are for next year, I think they should be
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Speaker 3: adding a starter. Whether that's a one-year deal or a
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Speaker 3: multi-year deal, that is going to be my question for you.
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Speaker 3: Even if they move Graceffo to the starting rotation, I
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Speaker 3: think that adds depth, but I think you can't put
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Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you have to call up
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Speaker 3: a guy like Liam Doyle or one of those other guys.
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Speaker 3: So my question for you, Jim, is if you are
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Speaker 3: adding starting pitching for this team, are you looking for
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Speaker 3: that one-year deal similar to a Dustin May? Or if
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Speaker 3: the right guy is available to add to this core
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Speaker 3: for four or five years, are you doing that?
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Speaker 1: I would look at it, but I don't think the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals will. They've never been a team that likes to
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Speaker 1: sign pitchers long-term talking about the big fish free agents
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Speaker 1: because I think pitchers are more likely to get hurt,
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Speaker 1: and that would really disable your rebuild process. I'm all
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Speaker 1: for a veteran with a track record and some veteran
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Speaker 1: guidance coming into that rotation, but I'm looking at what
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Speaker 1: they have coming back. I think Leahy will take a
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Speaker 1: step forward. I have no concerns about McGreevy getting better. Palante,
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Speaker 1: 12 wins, 3-8 ERA heat. He's coming off a really
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Speaker 1: good season. I think that's a pretty solid core. And
15:28
Speaker 1: then maybe you have Quinn Matthews in there. Maybe you
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Speaker 1: have Dobbins in there. As you mentioned, there's young guys
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Speaker 1: that they could go with like Doyle. I think they
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Speaker 1: have options. Would I like to see a veteran with
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Speaker 1: a track record and some leadership ability in the rotation?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see them going after a big ticket
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Speaker 1: free agent pitcher. just because even in the past where
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Speaker 1: they weren't talking about a rebuild, they didn't necessarily jump
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Speaker 1: deep into that pool. I can remember a couple of
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Speaker 1: times they were in on guys, but they didn't end
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Speaker 1: up really in the big fish. So I'm going to say,
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Speaker 1: especially based on the performance of the core of that
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Speaker 1: starting rotation, I'm not so sure that they're going to
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Speaker 1: go ahead and risk that with a big ticket guy,
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Speaker 1: because I think what they have coming back, is something
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Speaker 1: you can build on with the addition of maybe a
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Speaker 1: one-year guy, maybe a two-year guy, something I think they'd
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Speaker 1: be more interested in. Do you agree or not agree?
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Speaker 1: And then I have one more as I try to
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Speaker 1: extend our time with you, if I can.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do agree with you. I do agree with you.
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Speaker 3: I also think that starting pitching injuries can derail a
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Speaker 3: season if you fail to have enough depth. If you're
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Speaker 3: forced to use a starter that you don't necessarily believe
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Speaker 3: is ready or can provide the length, then yeah, you're
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Speaker 3: going to have issues. I understand that we talk about
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers a lot and their wealth of depth, but
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Speaker 3: one thing that they have done is they have made
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Speaker 3: sure they have starting pitching depth because they realize that
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Speaker 3: with all the money that they've spent on offense, if
17:08
Speaker 3: they do not have starting pitching, they can quickly become
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Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim with Mike Trout and
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Speaker 3: Shohei Otani. A good offense and no starting pitching. So
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Speaker 3: I believe that this to me is going to be
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Speaker 3: another sign of what is Heim going to do. If
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Speaker 3: he brings in a couple starters, I think he's saying
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Speaker 3: we're setting us up for depth and quality to add
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Speaker 3: to the quality we have. If they bring in one,
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Speaker 3: I think it's, all right, we're going to see what
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Speaker 3: these guys are one more year down the road. We
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Speaker 3: still have three years control of most of them. So
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Speaker 3: then let's really see who we are going to supplement with.
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Speaker 3: Because at some point, unless they hit on all these
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Speaker 3: guys and one or two of them become a strikeout pitcher,
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Speaker 3: as Lance has alluded to, I don't think you have
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Speaker 3: that top-of-the-line number one ace that can go out and
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Speaker 3: win you game one of a series and make sure
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Speaker 3: that you take the lead in the series, which I
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Speaker 3: think we're seeing in the playoffs. That's a pretty important deal.
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Speaker 1: I think they have guards like Jerpy, Sinja, another guy
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Speaker 1: that has been talked about with a lot of upside.
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Speaker 1: So they have guys that they like, but it really
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Speaker 1: depends on how they see their future and when the
18:17
Speaker 1: future starts, right? Correct.
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Speaker 3: When that future starts is the question.
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Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to figure out. Last thing, then
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Speaker 1: I'm going to let you go. Third base is another one, right?
18:29
Speaker 1: Blaze Jordan, look good at third. I think he's better
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Speaker 1: defensively than people gave him credit for, to me. because
18:36
Speaker 1: he looks, I mean this in a good way, he's
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Speaker 1: a big guy, sort of like has a softball feel,
18:41
Speaker 1: but he's a better hitter than that. He goes the
18:43
Speaker 1: other way. And if you hit. 250 in your first
18:46
Speaker 1: taste of the big league, he got hurt, so that
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Speaker 1: cut off his season, but your first taste of the
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Speaker 1: big leagues, you hit. 250, says you can handle it,
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Speaker 1: and he's pretty good defensively. He's one guy. And then
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Speaker 1: the other guy is Sejasi, who really got hot at
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Speaker 1: the end of the season. Struggled a bit when they
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Speaker 1: sent him back down to AAA, came up and started
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Speaker 1: hitting again, and he seemed defensively fine at third base.
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Speaker 1: So I think those are two guys I have a
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Speaker 1: feeling they might roll with one of those guys.
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Speaker 3: Sags is a ball player, man, and he can play
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Speaker 3: anywhere around the field. You know, Blaise Jordan, I think
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Speaker 3: there's still uncertainty. Obviously, he had a good start. And
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Speaker 3: a good first season up there, you know, that was
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Speaker 3: shortened by injury. But, you know, we will kind of
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Speaker 3: see what happens there. But I think Sejaisi has a
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Speaker 3: chance to probably, you know, take that for right now.
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Speaker 3: And I'd be surprised if Ramon Urias isn't back to help,
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Speaker 3: you know, add some stability there at two of those
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Speaker 3: three positions, second and third base. So um it's another
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Speaker 3: position that i don't see them adding a bigger bat
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Speaker 3: um which in my mind for this lineup is probably
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Speaker 3: what they need but i don't see them doing that
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Speaker 3: um until they figure out when it's time to go
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Speaker 3: for it you know they're going to look at the
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Speaker 3: guys that are available but until they think it's time
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Speaker 3: to go for it that's going to be uh you
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Speaker 3: know who do we have to fill this gap.
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Speaker 1: All right uh that's going to do it for this
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Speaker 1: edition we hope lance is okay because he did suddenly
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Speaker 1: transform into a guy. And he's sitting there on a
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Speaker 1: chase lounge, and he still called it. He's the best. Kyle,
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Speaker 1: you're also the best. We appreciate it. That's going to
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Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see
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Speaker 1: you next time. Hopefully that episode won't suck.