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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: Should Eagles Use More Spread Offense Formations? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: All Right, saw just a quicky I've thought about this too,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of people ask me, so I want
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  Speaker 2: to know what you think of it.
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  Speaker 3: We added an extra lineman.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes they go double tight end.
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  Speaker 2: To to help the running game to h to match
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  Speaker 2: up with the heavy box. Wor's your philosophy as far
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  Speaker 2: as thinking this is, well, why don't they just spread
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  Speaker 2: it out, go for wide and then make it a
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  Speaker 2: little easier for Barkley to get running lanes because it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be less people in the box. Obviously, it's
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  Speaker 2: not as simple as that, because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if everybody would do it if that was
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  Speaker 3: that easy.
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  Speaker 5: Right, The bottom line is, if if it was that simple,
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  Speaker 5: then everybody with a good back would just.
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  Speaker 3: Spread it out. You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's like people sometimes say to me, well, if a
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  Speaker 5: play works, why don't they just run it over and
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  Speaker 5: over and over again. Obviously it's not that simple, you know,
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  Speaker 5: And you know some teams do that on occasion, but
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  Speaker 5: obviously over time teams don't feel that the best way
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  Speaker 5: to run the football in the National Football League College
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  Speaker 5: is different is to just spread everybody out and hand
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  Speaker 5: the ball off.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: So if they felt that way, you know, more teams
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  Speaker 5: would do it as a foundation of their run game.
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  Speaker 5: So you know they don't. You know, I think there's
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  Speaker 5: a sense that, and we've talked about this in your
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  Speaker 5: run game, even if there's eight in the box, even
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  Speaker 5: if there's nine in the box, depending on the run
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  Speaker 5: game concepts, you don't have to block all those people.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you're saying you don't have to you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to block the two on the backside.
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  Speaker 5: The run game is really about angles, leverage, aiming points,
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  Speaker 5: you know, all those things. That's what you're trying to create.
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  Speaker 5: Because don't forget, a lot of the guys you're blocking
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  Speaker 5: in the run game are better athletes than your offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 5: Keep that in mind. The biggest mismatch in the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, and there's an exception here or there,
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  Speaker 5: are defensive line and linebackers versus offensive linemen. That's a
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  Speaker 5: mismatch in favor of the defense.
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  Speaker 3: So you're looking.
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  Speaker 5: You're looking for angles more than anything else. Angles, aiming points,
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  Speaker 5: you know, those kinds of things, and that's what teams
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  Speaker 5: try to do in the run game.
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  Speaker 6: Greg, I'm gonna ask you a hypothetical question. I'm just
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  Speaker 6: gonna We're gonna put it out there. We're gonna say
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  Speaker 6: Vic Vangiel gives you a call, he tells you, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: Michael Carter, Jay r Alexander, they're all up to speed.
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  Speaker 6: I could play whatever combination I want at corner. I
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  Speaker 6: want you to tell me what I should do based
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  Speaker 6: on tape. Who should be with Quinnan, should Cooper be inside?
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  Speaker 6: Should it be outside? But who do you think would
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  Speaker 6: be the Eagles best three in regards to if they
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  Speaker 6: had a lineup and play to go to the Super
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  Speaker 6: Bowl tomorrow, what's the best combination they could put on
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  Speaker 6: the field From what you've.
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  Speaker 3: Seen on tape. Assuming health of everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Health is everybody's healthy and everybody understands the defense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's easy.
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  Speaker 5: I think Alexander and Mitchell would be the outside corners
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  Speaker 5: and Cooper Gagen would be the slot corner.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's a hard question.
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  Speaker 7: I'm surprised you're you're saying that about Alexander given even
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  Speaker 7: with health, I mean, he was healthy ish enough to play,
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  Speaker 7: and he was a scratch with the Ravens well only
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  Speaker 7: only because they gave up a fourth for Jakian Bennett.
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  Speaker 7: And you're really like tape.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Well, no, Jeff, Jeff, remember they gave up It
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  Speaker 6: was just Thomas Booker for why did I say it fourth?
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  Speaker 6: He was a fourth.
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  Speaker 3: Round break, all right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean Alexander, you know, again, he hasn't played a lot,
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  Speaker 5: so I haven't seen him a lot recently. But there
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  Speaker 5: was a time, Frank, you know, not that long ago,
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  Speaker 5: for a two or three year period where he was
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  Speaker 5: a top five corner in the league. Now, maybe he's
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  Speaker 5: never going to be that. That's something none of us
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  Speaker 5: can know. He hasn't played a lot, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: assuming that because he's he's not old. It's not like
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  Speaker 5: he's thirty five. He's not old, So assuming that he
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  Speaker 5: still has enough of what he was, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that's a hard question. I mean, you know, he's a
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  Speaker 5: good corner at one time, a very very good corner,
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  Speaker 5: So I think that's Look. I don't think they made
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  Speaker 5: this trade for Jerry Alexander to sit on the bench.
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  Speaker 5: You know, once he's in their mind totally healthy, ready
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  Speaker 5: to go, understands the system enough to be able to
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  Speaker 5: go out there and play. I don't think they did
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  Speaker 5: this to have him sit on the bench.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 7: This might be a complete overlook on my part. I
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  Speaker 7: just can't get past the fact that the Ravens stunk
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  Speaker 7: on defense for six weeks and didn't play him even
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  Speaker 7: though he was healthy enough to play.
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  Speaker 3: That to me, we know that for sure that he
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  Speaker 3: was healthy enough to play well.
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  Speaker 7: He was inactive, but he wasn't on the injury report
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  Speaker 7: right at least not the last few weeks. He was
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  Speaker 7: a healthy scratch the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 8: So okay, yeah, I wanted to follow up and ask
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  Speaker 8: what we as fans expect to see as far as
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  Speaker 8: the new additions. Will Fangio go back to some of
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  Speaker 8: his more principles he's more known for. Do you think
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  Speaker 8: we'll still see a lot of the lot more man
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  Speaker 8: coverage with some of the pressure schemes that he has
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  Speaker 8: out of that.
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  Speaker 5: That is a really good question, and obviously I don't
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  Speaker 5: I can't give you a definitive answer. I'm not Vic Fangio,
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  Speaker 5: but I think he would like to, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: would like to play a different way, and we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: You know, much of that I think will depend.
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  Speaker 5: On, believe it or not, a lot of the changes
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  Speaker 5: that were made this year starts up front, and I'll
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  Speaker 5: tell you the reason why Milton Williams was a key,
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  Speaker 5: key player to this because he was a power player.
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  Speaker 5: So how all this works is you have to believe
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  Speaker 5: you can stop the run playing from a two shell coverage. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: if you don't believe you can stop the run playing
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  Speaker 5: from a two shell coverage, then what happens is is
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  Speaker 5: you need to bring a safety down and play more
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  Speaker 5: single high. Now, Jomo is not the same kind of
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  Speaker 5: player Milton Williams was. A Jomo is a gap player,
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  Speaker 5: not a power player. So what happens is is he
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  Speaker 5: hits gaps. And also the fact that Carter has been
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  Speaker 5: uneven this year up to this point. So what they
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  Speaker 5: have to do is they have to deal with the
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  Speaker 5: run game and bring a player down. And also keep
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  Speaker 5: in mind, as good as Zach Bonn is, his game
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  Speaker 5: is not built on power. His game is kind of
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  Speaker 5: rangey athleticism. So all this ties together to mean that
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  Speaker 5: it all starts with how they defend the run. And
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  Speaker 5: they need another player down in the box area to
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  Speaker 5: defend the run. So they're playing less two shell coverage.
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  Speaker 5: So we'll see where they go from here. They know
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  Speaker 5: about all this, we'll see what they've done in the
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  Speaker 5: bye week when everybody self scouts in the bye week,
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  Speaker 5: that's the first thing coaches do. They don't really take
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  Speaker 5: time off. You know, good teams usually don't. They might
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  Speaker 5: take a day, but you know they don't. Coaches don't
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  Speaker 5: get you know, five days off or anything like that,
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  Speaker 5: or if they don't have to be in the office.
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  Speaker 5: Believe me, they're working at home. So the first thing
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  Speaker 5: they do until they get to the weekend Sunday or Monday,
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  Speaker 5: is self scout. That's what they do, and then they
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  Speaker 5: figure out what they can do better, what's not working.
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  Speaker 5: But it all starts upfront and it works. It's a
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  Speaker 5: domino effect.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask about, like the edge rusher rotation,
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  Speaker 4: like it does seem like, you know, with with the
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  Speaker 4: addition now of Jalen, who's a really good, you know rusher,
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  Speaker 4: and they got rid of Patrick Johnson, how do you
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  Speaker 4: think the ideal rotation would work out? Do you think
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  Speaker 4: he would take more of Jlyx's snaps and or Nolan's
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  Speaker 4: and when he would come back?
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  Speaker 5: That's a great question. I mean, Phillips at his best
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  Speaker 5: is their best four to three d n I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you know, again, he's been playing, he's you know, he's
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  Speaker 5: had two major injuries.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to the.
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  Speaker 5: Guys last night, Jeff and Adam about my evaluation of
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  Speaker 5: Phillips when he came out of Miami, and I loved him.
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  Speaker 5: I thought he was the best, the most explosive edge
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  Speaker 5: player in that draft class, who was twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 5: I thought he had every every box that you can
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  Speaker 5: check for an edge player size, length, athleticism, suddenness, explosiveness, flexibility, power, balance, competitiveness.
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  Speaker 5: He's shown that in the league. Obviously he's on a
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  Speaker 5: bad team now, so it's you know, it's hard to know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's exactly the same player, but
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  Speaker 5: you know, at his best, he'd be their best four
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  Speaker 5: to three.
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  Speaker 3: D ND right now.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, and again, they tend to play more
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  Speaker 5: sub than than than bass, so they end up playing
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  Speaker 5: four to three or or four two five. I should
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  Speaker 5: say it's Nickel, but you know, he'd be the best guy.
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  Speaker 5: And I guess Nolan Smith. We'd have to wait and
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  Speaker 5: see what kind of you know, rehab and when he's
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  Speaker 5: truly ready to play meaningful snaps and if he can
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  Speaker 5: play at the same level he played over the last
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  Speaker 5: seven eight games a year ago.
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  Speaker 7: All right, guys, thank you very much. We'll do it
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  Speaker 7: again next week.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, all right, we'll talk you next week.
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  Speaker 5: Appreciate it, you, Greg, you, Jeff