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Start Me Up: Mamaw's Porch Politics · Start Me Up with Kimberley A. Johnson

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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the Start Me Up podcast part of MSW Media in the sexy liberal podcast network.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm your host Kimberley Johnson in DC today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to be talking with Lisa Parker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She goes by Mammoth's porch politics on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's ascending in the political world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She lives in Appalachia, Ohio, fascinating woman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I learned about her last week from David Pepper, and I can't wait to talk to her but before we get into it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now please enjoy my conversation with Lisa Parker of Mammoth's porch politics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, hi, thank you for having me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really excited to be talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, actually I have family from West Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure some of my family is from Appalachia, but I don't know if you're familiar with God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's Wallace West Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever heard of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but pretty much if you're in West Virginia, honey, you're in Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we're all living on high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are Kentucky and West Virginia that got cut off by the river.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, everybody's can is from Kentucky or West Virginia in this part of Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe maybe we're related.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just, my grandmother and my, there was my grandmother's mother, and she lived in Wallace, West Virginia, which was extremely remote.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I mean, I'm somewhat familiar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I used to go there as a kid, but I'm very much a city woman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I have lots of questions for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I talked with David Pepper last week, and he's the one who brought you to my attention.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and I just love David, I love him so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He and I've had some Dandy rouse too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I love about David.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the arguments over, you can work on stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People that get all but hurt, and then you can't go on with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, put on your big group, and he's in, let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and David is just super cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've always liked him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so you live in rural Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I was reading an article about you that you were born and raised or at least raised in Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're liberal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to know a little bit, tell us a little about you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're upbringing and being liberal in a conservative area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my
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[SPEAKER_01]: My grandmother, my mammal, grew up in Flatwood's Kentucky, and her mother died when she was quite young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her daddy kind of left her with her mammal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time she would have been our equivalent of the eighth grade, she was school-marm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was teaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and she realized her mom, her mind and education would get her out of her poverty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She crossed the river, found my grandpa, they got married.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She went on to get a Ph.D. and a British literature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother, which today would have been her 87th birthday,
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[SPEAKER_01]: going to tear up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was just a powerhouse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My mother was phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She had been in the army, served in Korea, and then after she got out she never nursed again until she was a missionary many years later, but she was a social worker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she brought my brother and I up, she raised us all by herself to, there were times like we didn't have Easter, my brother and I because we did it for somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she always said, no matter what your situation is, there's someone who's having a tougher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I did my drop back in the summer on, you got to learn to eat poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to teach my grandchildren because we're there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, even though in a very conservative community, I know that the people of Appalachia are also very loving people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you find the poorest person in West Virginia, Kentucky, Southeastern Ohio, and that's the person that will share their last sandwich with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just the culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Mom raised us, I went into the Army to pay for my college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then from there, I went to work at a nuclear facility for 20 years, met my husband there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from there, he and I went into our own business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was going to be nicely retired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I got pissed off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I get pissed off, you know, the whole hell has no fury, except this mammal can shoot like you wouldn't leave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: my husband true story true story we had the year Hillary ran we had our whole front yard with our democratic signs out and somebody came along and stole them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My husband moved him back under our flagpole which we have the American flag and then the 82nd Airborne flag because my son and husband were both in the 82nd Airborne and he hand wrote a sign and people kept honking I said what the hell did you walk around he wrote warning these signs are
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole, if you're a liberal, you're a snowflake, might not hold in this area.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, have you always been political?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because my mother was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I was very aware now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was I an activist due to my job at the time when we worked at the nuclear facility?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 8.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll never forget the year I turned 18 was in March.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had my first primary Jimmy Carter was on the ballot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My grandpa picked me up at high school took me to vote for my very first time and he informed me that voting wasn't a right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a duty and so that's what I've tried it still my son when he was a little boy went to the voting booth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want people to get back to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our government is us, our civic responsibilities, our us, and you can't bitch if you didn't participate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my mom told that to her friend, I guess at some point, she was complaining, her mom, my mom's friend was complaining about George Bush and my mom said, did you vote?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And her friend said, no, she doesn't, you can't complain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You didn't, don't, don't come bitch to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't want to hear you shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, okay, you are, I think I already know the answer to this because you kind of said so, but what inspired you to start sitting in front of a camera and talking about politics?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember the day vividly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had first gotten a call earlier that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were supposed to have a democratic meeting that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From ODP, the a high democratic party, and they'd hear higher yet another young person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is 2025, mind you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to set up a meeting with people, so we could come down and he could teach us how to phone bank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like phone bank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm allowed to cast, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you fucking kidding me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 68 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I don't know the phone number, I don't answer it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that started today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to the meeting that evening, and we were talking about setting up at the farmers market and all this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And someone stood up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as we don't use the word Democrat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I resigned that day as a party chair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured, okay, I have failed after eight years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got on my deck just for therapy for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just started and shockingly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My numbers clicked up and I thought, well, how am I, so I mean, it was just kind of started out as therapeutic for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it caught fire because I had realized that especially women, but men and women of a certain age, you get disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People think your voice doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we turned, we were polite because we were brought up that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we were in shock and so we said nothing and so that's why I tell people you remember what it was like to use your outside voice and you start using them again so I had to laugh when the Trump administration, when they were all in teeth of terrorist didn't work, it was just a bunch of old people let me tell you what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those old people are the ones who got us, are civil rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those old people are the ones that ended the god damn war and Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those old people, it's still in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just got to remind them it's still in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a voting block that they're going to be shocked about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because at the No Kings protest, I said this on my patrons only show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I live in an area that's very diverse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people, literally a lot of people from Africa live here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, because I live so close to DC, the diversity here is...
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[SPEAKER_04]: it's a lot of different nations.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I noticed on no king's day and I went to one of the smaller rallies, kind of one in my neighborhood, and so many people who showed up were white boomers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: why spoke at the one in our local community and it was huge and we had a lot of people that had voted MAGA in the past that were there and we had farmers a lot of veterans but we have a large VA hospital close by but you're right it was the boomers and to see them interact
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[SPEAKER_01]: with younger people that they never would have interacted with in any other situation and find common ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking around, of course, I love the costumes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not what they intended because this bonding is going to be one hell of a voting block.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hell, yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm going to jump to this because
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I say this to everyone, I know you're not an oracle, but I'm still going to ask your opinion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How confident are you feeling about?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think we all feel confident that if the 2026 elections actually happen, that we're going to see this massive blue wave.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to just point this out too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I pointed out a lot, but I think it's important.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because in 2014, when Obama was president, we had the lowest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: turnout in like 86 years in the midterms.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then the following midterm with Trump, we had general election turnout.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that was like another, I don't know if we set any records, but it was massive turnout.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that was when we had some guard rills.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't have guard rills now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I do believe that, you know, providing we're going to have an election, and we know they're trying to stop, and that's what I'm asking you about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're going to see a massive blue wave.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like, obviously, we're hearing chatter about
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[SPEAKER_04]: him trying to shut down elections with the insurrection act or martial law or something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My big concern, well, right now, Ohio is one of the three states racing to the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're arguably one of the most corrupt states in the Union.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're playing around with Jerry Mandarin again, but here's the issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you're in a heavily jerry-manored district doesn't mean you have to vote the way they think you're going to vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what I'm trying to tell people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have choices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if, for example, if we don't have anybody run against our swastika-bearing congressman, David Taylor, they don't even have to give him a courtesy vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I tell people, you don't have to vote for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people are going to show up because the only way that we have Trump in there now is that 10 million people sat it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just so frustrating and now they realize your vote does count voting has consequences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had over a thousand of my followers respond to what are the three top issues you would want me to address with candidates and I've got it all written out for them and voting reform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and reform of the electoral college term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was number one, which is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me, that was great because if we don't fix voting, nothing else matters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number two was securing social security and medical care, not Medicare, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People's medical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: get that locked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And number three was bodily autonomy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, those are the issues that voters have and I got voters all over the country, people watch and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that told me we're on the right track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People now understand our only superpower is our vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to show up and cast it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got to go after obstacle that they've done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still if you show up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to vote and that's what we've got to do and that's what tacos not count on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I tell you what, I'm meaner and that's some bitch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we'll let, you know, another subject that I'm so fond of talking about is his poor health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I don't know if you're familiar, but, you know, part of what I like to do during the day is I listen either to political commentary, or every once in a while, I see something on whether it's like a psychic reading or a terror reading about Trump's health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, my husband does that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He always listens to this woman out of Australia about Trump's health.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I know who you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's his favorite he listens to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know it's funny because I don't, we don't know what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not putting so much stock into it, but it feels good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like, it puts me in that energy of like, okay, he's not going to make it because there's plenty of literal political people out there talking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, one of the younger people that I like is Keith Edwards and he's he's constantly doing videos on doctors talking about, you know, what they think is wrong with him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to ask you about this in that let's just say we're in a situation where at some point during these four years Trump is no longer president for whatever reason.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts about JD and you know there there are a lot of people who are frightened of him because they feel that he's a more intelligent Trump but then again at the same time he doesn't have the popularity
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[SPEAKER_01]: the fake hillbilly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what we're talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me tell you about Little Jimmy Hamlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a serious identity problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I don't think that he's straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We won't even get into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Little Jimmy Hamlet, you tell me about a guy who, now when he was younger, he was adopted, so that wasn't his, so he went from Bowman to Hamlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to the Marine Corps as Jimmy Hamill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes through Ohio State as Jimmy Hamill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes through Yale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You law school as Jimmy Hamill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got all these degrees certificates and when women change their name, you know what a nightmare it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he goes through all these generations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after he meets Peter Teele, he changes these name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if that didn't tell you somebody's got some issues with the identity yet in K, so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Little Jimmy Hamel first of all is not a hillbilly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not from Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you visit Jimmy Mall and Eastern Kentucky, two summers does not make you a person of Appalachia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's make that clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From the way I was brought up, him living in Middletown, Ohio, where his dad worked at General Electric and his mom was a nurse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His mother's addiction issues were for medication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She stole from her hospital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not from Mexican drug lord, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like Jimmy if you're going to tell this tale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's tell the right because it's too easy to find out otherwise Especially when you live in an area where so and so and so and so and so and so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just was so I think Jimmy Hamel who doesn't know who he is and has no identity
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go the way the wind blows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think when he gets in there, course he's beholden to Peter Tielding South African Nazi, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I really think he's more swayedable if the intelligent people can get in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the first thing he will do though is boot Stephen Miller out the door because I see a lot of conflict there because Stephen Miller seems to think he's the guy in charge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he is with the demented one now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with the taco.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the tacos health when you eat too many big
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you don't think that he's going to have, you know, I mean, he'll clearly be dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, like, for instance, my boyfriend Bob Sesska, he talks about politics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: His whole thing is that number one, you know, the maggots not necessarily, I know there's a...
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[SPEAKER_04]: portion of huge portion actually of the Republicans who will march in lockstep.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, okay, I guess, do you think that whatever horrible things that are happening, okay, Trump's out of the picture, and whatever they're doing with JB in charge, do you think that
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[SPEAKER_04]: Republicans or right-leaning independence will have let's like a negative opinion of JD or do you think they'll because like there's a lot of Republicans right now that feel betrayed I didn't vote for this even though they did they didn't they didn't care to know about what he was saying or they were just focusing on their little pet issues but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is JD like are they just gonna suck it up for JD like okay fine We don't like them as much as Trump, but we'll take them because he's got the RB behind his name I Honestly think this just ma'am all talking for my porch pontificating Only Trump can do Trump Maggi is Trump.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as much as people have tried to replicate that magazine it just hasn't taken tread and you've got to remember what little Jimmy Hamel was like prior to Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, never Trump or he was an idiot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he called him Hitler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Yeah, he's not going to be able to get the tread going and nobody really cares for JD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I talk to one of the men there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of a security that he wouldn't be
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, age, you can't meet mother time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, as I said, mother time, not father time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, only Trump does Trump what fascinates me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I talked to Amy and McGrath about this Tuesday is what happened to these congressmen and senators?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they have to give their testicles into a jar when they walk into the capital?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My God, this is one Demented, sorry, asked old man, and you're terrified.
21:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really?
21:04
[SPEAKER_01]: The bait I'm telling you, you marked my words.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: His bait are strong women.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we can get strong women in there, that is the dark rails.
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy could handle him beautifully, and you know,
21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be the men that stand up to him.
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be women that stand up to that person.
21:31
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you make of Marjorie Taylor Green right now?
21:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when it comes to the Epstein files.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I have never agreed with anything that Marjorie Taylor Green has ever said or done.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make that very clear.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do appreciate the fact that first and foremost she was a woman and when those women told their story.
21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: she reacted as a woman should and would appropriately.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And I give her her props for that.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate her for that.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I am very saddened that women knowing their history like Joni Ernst did not.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That is very sad to me, especially being a woman veteran.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I give March and they're again, strong woman is going to end up being his, his main of existence and I don't what's going on with Mikey Johnson in my lifetime.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've seen a lot of speakers come and go including old any has hurt that got thrown in jail and I forget the other one got thrown in jail.
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: What speaker of the house doesn't realize they are the most powerful person in the government and acquiesces to a president, even if it's the same party the way he does.
22:48
[SPEAKER_04]: yeah.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell's in those Epstein files?
22:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, okay.
22:53
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's this conversation that people think that the government's never going to reopen because of the Epstein files.
22:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what what's going on there?
23:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that really what's keeping it's closed?
23:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And if it is what's keeping it's closed, then why would they even open it?
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it for first of all,
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have to laugh and I do laugh out loud at Mikey Johnson and John 3 will the Democrats have got open the government.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way to make people you're the speaker of the house.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
23:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you are the you got the majority you are the Senate.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Majority leader, why?
23:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because you have the majority John Thune.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So how's this a democratic party thing other than you can't control your own damn caucus first and foremost, it's closed down because they keep it closed.
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But with Mike Johnson, what really shocked me was,
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I can understand, they're trying to cover taco a little bit.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I, okay, that's what you want to do, cover up for a creepy guy who we already know sexually molest women at his whim, there's got to be something more.
24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is beyond beyond.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you have the people in that?
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody, you hang out with Epstein.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where he met Melania, it was through Epstein.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where Charlie Kirk's wife was tied up with that.
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But how many and Congress are tied up?
24:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, there's also the idea that there's threats on their life, right?
24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what... Oh, it grew a set and put out a sign in your front yard.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: The signs within range.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't buy this whole bully and be in scared bullshit if somebody's bullying me They better have a really good stand on it because I'm like old James Carvelle you smack me.
24:45
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna punch you Yeah, well, that's you know, it's funny because my mother when she was younger some bully her neighbor It was like a boy who was older than her
24:53
[SPEAKER_04]: was just tormenting her and I don't know how old she was but she was like, you know, seven or eight or something like that and maybe he was 13 and she was in her little pool and he came over and he was messing with her and she just lost her mind and she just beat the shit out of him and you know and that's what she keeps saying to everybody she's like the only way you beat a bully is to not let them get to you and it's like to beat the shit out of them and they run away like cowards and we all know
25:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Trump is a coward taco.
25:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Hello.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
25:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.
25:26
[SPEAKER_04]: He is the biggest coward.
25:27
[SPEAKER_04]: But I, I mean, so do you think they're going to keep the government closed down indefinitely?
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they're going to do.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be furious though if the Democrats blink.
25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to send this far.
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You better not blink.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You dig in.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have food and soup lines.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And they better not blink.
25:53
[SPEAKER_04]: So what's it like have you noticed being in rural Ohio.
26:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you finding like how much exposure do you have to maga and then and I mean like personally and are you noticing any changes or people waking up?
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's here's how exposed we are to maga literally.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: All you saw, we had to go through a maga parade of all their stupid trucks because, you know, they have male problems issues.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had the Big Magger Parade, so I went all to the little towns around us and made them all cough up the money that it cost to have the police to escort and turn off the lights and stuff because that was a political event.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of got the idea there.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We had flags everywhere.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the sear red hats.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We had farmers that spray painted their big round hay bales, you know, homeless for trump and all that.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, and my husband, I brought this, we went to a flea market that's normally, you know, just absolutely a concave of Trumpers, not one person was wearing a Trump hat.
27:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there was a booth that had Trump items for sale.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody was there buying anything.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not seen.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: In the last two months, since the tariffs really started slamming them, I have not seen any Trump flags in our area.
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: None, which has been there was two holdouts.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: None.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: None of those farmers are out with their hay bales.
27:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And my prediction is you're not going to turn those Trumpers.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to go vote democratic.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to stay home.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
27:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're tucking tail and they're like, why didn't they get it happen to me or like you said there's people say why didn't vote for this and I very firmly say yes you did, yeah, because you thought you're screwing over somebody else right now starting Saturday in Ohio 1.4 million people are not going to have food stamps.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have hungry people that we can't feed our food banks are empty here and that doesn't count.
28:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We have two rural hospital systems in my area that when they do away with their health care on their ACA plan and the Medicaid stops.
28:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what we're going to do.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's finally starting to hit people.
28:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a farmer that from my porch when the weather's good.
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can be on the porch harvested his soy beans.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He piled him up.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one day when I was talking to David Pepper.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, you're here in the combine in the back.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's piled up this well two days later.
28:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He came and he put it in the big white bags.
28:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, what's going on?
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I'm having to turn my soy beans into silence.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And for those of you in the city, silage is what you feed cattle in the winter.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually scraps and cornstarchs in that kind of thing, but this was actually they were putting the beans in the silage.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's no place to sell them.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just fabulous growing here.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a bumper crop here.
29:20
[SPEAKER_04]: So, okay, there was the beginning of the year when, you know, he takes office and things go along.
29:28
[SPEAKER_04]: So are you saying in the last, okay, so yeah, in the last two months is when you're noticing from the start of the year.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Things in it, it started, we didn't get the effects here like they, it california when he started this ice bullshit.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We already knew that crops were being affected as far as produce and around here what we call produce is your edibles that you get out of the grocery store.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So it hit produce markets in California and Florida down in the South Rim before we know to stick because we all have our own gardens grow.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So the ice raids on that really didn't affect the people here like that.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Then starting in June when the tariffs started up.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in July when cargo and stuff started back and off their contracts and canceling those.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when the farmers realized
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: We are having a bumper year because the growing conditions have been fabulous in this area, and now we're not going to have customers, and you and I both know as business women, when you lose a good customer, they don't come back.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think what I noticed a big shift was,
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: mid-summer, then in August in Ohio, when they pulled the old, oh, by the way, we're not going to fund public schools like we did.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to this voucher system, and we have no voucher schools in South Eastern Ohio.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no private schools down here.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have teachers who voted maga and superintendents who are now like, oh my god, what are we going to do?
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, we've all had our hair on fire for two years.
31:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've been.
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was about mid-summer when it really started hitting here because people realized this is affecting me.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, like I said, and I'm really tired of the big lie that, oh, these illegal immigrants or no, undocumented people cannot apply for food stamps or medical cards.
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Period, that's a lie.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: If most people that I know are working poor, that have food stamps and Medicaid, and that's the big lie that the Republicans are trying to spend, you know, well, they need to tighten up or pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I just told my husband, we have a big state dinner and have spam.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, this is what we're all eating.
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you people need to eat and my mama can make spam a million different ways.
32:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, the woman could be a spam gourmet.
32:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I want to go back to JD on this because you said you think that a lot of these people are going to just sit out the election.
32:25
[SPEAKER_04]: but that they're not going to vote for Democrats.
32:27
[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess we can apply this to the midterm, but let's just take it to, if we, you know, I know that there are definitely political talking heads out there that do not want us talking about 20, 28 right now, just because we don't even know what's happening, but because I want to, I'm going to, and it's my show.
32:45
[SPEAKER_04]: That's so.
32:46
[SPEAKER_04]: As far as 28 is concerned, I don't, you know, I would imagine that J.D.
32:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Vance would run and, you know, you know, he's going to try, but there's going to be this pool and I don't know, you know,
33:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if they're gonna have their version of Obama because I genuinely think that Trump was kind of like their Obama that they got all excited about and everything and I don't know if there's anybody that there isn't right now.
33:13
[SPEAKER_04]: There's nobody in the party who has charisma like Donald Trump to that base.
33:18
[SPEAKER_04]: But my whole point here is do you think
33:21
[SPEAKER_04]: that the Republicans would feel the same way.
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's JD Vance or another Republican, who's basically going to continue the project 2025 agenda, I think they're going to try to continue it, but with all the carnage that Trump is leaving right now.
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see it spin and like that.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they're thinking about it.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: If they weren't already terrified about 20, 28, they wouldn't be desperately trying to do this redistricting, toward people voting, trying to implant the seed.
34:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, we're going to make sure you can't vote.
34:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have votes of people.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so you have an arm guard at my voting booth.
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So the heck what?
34:10
[SPEAKER_04]: You can say it, so the fuck what?
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm just gonna wave at you and walk by and cast my damn balance.
34:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, um, but I just, JD's not likable.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess if you meet the taco and person, if you get past the smell, if you think you can be quite charming, I can see that.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's an old sleazeball, but yeah, I guess women pick up things different to pin.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But JD doesn't have that.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you tell who should
34:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you see anyone else in that party that could possibly get everybody excited?
34:52
[SPEAKER_04]: They all left.
34:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
34:54
[SPEAKER_04]: They did.
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: All the other calling the rhinos.
34:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to be a really healthy two party system.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no John McCains that I see.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some that I thought would have courage and they buckled.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Mitt Romney left.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he buckled, Adam Kinziger, he left, Liz Cheney, I don't, she's been quite a god to say that I, Liz became one of my heroes, I just can't believe that comes out of my mouth, but she didn't know.
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: from unlikely sources, but I don't know where they would stand in the party because they're quote-unquote normal republicans?
35:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're considered rhinos.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the old school son, I have no idea.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the Democrats, the old farts will step aside, have a wonderful deep bench, but that's why I think we ought to have term limits, but that's a whole conversation, I guess.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: that we got to.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: How, say, and I'm of that eight, see I think I can speak to that because I'm in that age group.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: How freaking selfish that you think, you are the only one that you have to be there.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's what breaks my heart.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember a young, dying, fine, Stein, and what a wonderful power house.
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was just, you know, women of the world were like, oh my God, she's our hope.
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But today, people remember that frail old woman who did not know where she was at still in the Senate.
36:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think when it comes to politics, it's kind of like flying an airplane or something like that, you know, where there are age requirements, and it doesn't really have to do with ageism in that we don't think you're capable of doing it, because we all know you can live to 100 and be sharp, but you start getting up to a certain age, it's like my mom is,
36:50
[SPEAKER_04]: 78, and she said, you know, all the crap started when she was 70, and she's a healthy woman.
36:56
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just that, you know, she's got hippies, shoes, and knee issues, and, you know, pains, and this and that, and so yeah, I mean, we just, we don't know when you're 70, it's not that you're done.
37:08
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like you just have no more than you can be.
37:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just something else.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like what I'm doing.
37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing something else.
37:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's the, and I've got to be really honest here.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fairly sharp, I'm shocked people, they think I'm a hillbilly and then they get sharp when they get stung, but it takes sometimes I rattle around for a minute, it has to roll around in my brain to find a word or to remember a name and that's normal, but I don't want that in my congressman and senator.
37:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, you just you want to make, I mean, there's nobody has any guarantees or whatever you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, but yeah, the older you get the more the chances go on.
37:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Just not just could go wrong.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're just not as fast, but I really truly believe, you know, 10 term limits for congressman's 20 years.
38:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a retirement.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Go home.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: go be an elder statesman.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole world out there post retirement senators.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You give him three terms four terms 18 to 24 years.
38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Get out.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Love you.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate your service.
38:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, come on.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Go do something else.
38:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Go work on somebody staff and for the judiciary.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: In the state of Ohio, for example, judges have mandatory requirement at 74.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: When our framers came up with the Supreme Court being a portant for life, keep in mind the average lifespan was 48 years old.
38:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, yeah, if you weren't living to 100.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got Clarence Thomas in there.
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's turning gray or turning to stone.
38:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
38:52
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
38:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
38:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
38:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
38:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to ask you, though, about the...
38:58
[SPEAKER_04]: We're seeing these protests that the no kings and then I think it was whether it was the day of or the day after the mayor of Chicago called for a general strike.
39:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's the mayor.
39:11
[SPEAKER_04]: But this was the first that I heard an elected official would call for something like a general strike.
39:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I know they're, we're liking, yes, and we're going to be seeing more no kings marches because clearly, aside from pissing off Taco, as we'll call him, you know, he should all over us for that march, for that massive protest.
39:33
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to see more, do you think, you know, like, do you think that,
39:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Americans are going to let me let me go back because I think you know we're all raised on this idea of freedom and liberty and we're constantly told that you know we're we're free Americans and it's so important and you know I'll just sidetracked this my listeners know but when I was 12 years old my dad
39:58
[SPEAKER_04]: worked for ABC News as a cameraman so I had the opportunity to live in communist Soviet Russia.
40:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's when I learned really the definition of patriot because I saw what it was like first hand.
40:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I know many Americans don't have that opportunity to be in a country like that and see what it's like to live in a police state and a lot of them can't even imagine it.
40:20
[SPEAKER_04]: but a lot of them are living through, you know, fascism right now, and they've never seen it.
40:26
[SPEAKER_04]: And so do you think that these protests are going to scare Republicans?
40:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And I ask you that because what is odd to me is that they're allowing these SNAP benefits to expire.
40:42
[SPEAKER_04]: before the midterms as opposed because you know that I know some of the stuff that they wanted to do I had heard initially that it was going to happen after next year like in sometime like in November or whatever after the midterms were right before the midterms so that the American so what's going to happen now is all these people are going to feel it.
41:01
[SPEAKER_04]: And why aren't they afraid?
41:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what's the deal?
41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know?
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the problem in that Mikey Johnson plays checkers and not three-dimensional chess.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: In his checkers game, they thought they were being cute when they did the big bullshit bill.
41:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't going to be until after November of next year, after 20 seconds.
41:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, yeah.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But what he didn't anticipate
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when the funding bill got stopped and they shut the government down, it caught the snap benefits in it.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And so without thinking, so he thought, well, we'll be a smart ass, we'll delay this.
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to swear in another Congresswoman.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the snap is happening, health care is happening, a year ahead of what he had anticipated in the bullshit bill.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: and now little Mikey doesn't know what to do because he's a checker player.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
42:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the more people that go out in the streets and they're again, almost 8 million people were in the streets and the only arrests were like less than 20 and they were mega people.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do with that?
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you do your gas people that are in dinosaur cartoons and duck costumes or people, you know, just waving and showing the tacos sitting on the throne and it was a toilet that kind of thing.
42:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what to do there.
42:34
[SPEAKER_01]: My only concern is that his brown shirts, what he's calling ice,
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: are really ramping up trying to instigate where there is going to be some serious violence.
42:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what the mayor of Chicago is trying to thwart with the strike.
42:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm really concerned about it and we've gone around to nail salons, Mexican restaurants, and stuff here and told people, here's the number of the ACLU, if they come in here,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you immediately call this number even if they can just hear you yelling in the background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that they know that they have rights that we have to have due process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm more concerned about this unthwarted brown shirts that will morph into the SS really than I am just about general protesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, I mean, I don't
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking about this because the alleged shooter, the alleged Charlie Kirk Shooter, they tried to pin him a Democrat and it didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm not saying that they're incapable or they wouldn't be able to successfully do what you're saying because of course that's the fear, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That they're going to have bad actors go in and create the violence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what, that's what,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Fascists do, they create the problem, go, we got to solve it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look at this violent, these violent people, and we have to, you know, so yeah, that is a fear.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, I'm just wondering, you know, like I wonder if they, they couldn't keep anything on this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: alleged, I'm going to call them alleged shooter just in case, but it's like, we don't even hear about him anymore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what they tried to do, they couldn't do, they were ineffective.
44:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess I guess I'm just saying all of this because I hope that if and I think they will instigate violence at some of these rallies that it goes as far as the Charlie Kirk Shooter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I hope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for one thing, I'm glad you brought that up about the Charlie Kirk Shooter because my husband was a spot commander for years, and the first thing he said when he watched that is, yeah, this this dog ain't hunt, yeah, there's something weird about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but it's kind of like when the taco got shot, yeah, who's the best plastic surgeon in DC?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he could make a magic ear cartilage grow?
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I'm here to tell you, girlfriend, even with a small 22 caliber round if it grazed your ear, it's going to leave a hell of a mark.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and there's no mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember all this stupid dumbasses weren't going to text on their ear.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God, they're so embarrassing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, it's like, oh my God, how much more gruffling can you do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's so gross.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, when that happened, I remember feeling like
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[SPEAKER_04]: that this was legitimate because there was no way in hell, this narcissist was going to put himself in the line of bullets.
45:48
[SPEAKER_04]: But I have come to the, you know, new conclusion that, yeah, I don't believe it.
45:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that I was going to make man now come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he knows how to do that.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll wrestling shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just, I don't buy into it.
46:03
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, we've been, you know, talking about some scary stuff, but I, you know, it's not so bad.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not completely afraid, but, um, meaning just talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm kind of afraid in general, although I'm trying to temper that with the idea that we have to, I just want to say this to everybody because I posted some of my Facebook page, but it's like obviously,
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[SPEAKER_04]: people are afraid, people are hurting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that rather than put your focus on the...
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[SPEAKER_04]: how uncomfortable you are and how afraid you are, it's like feel what you need to feel, but I would hope and ask everybody to put their focus on how are we going to get democracy back?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because when we're putting our focus on I'm afraid they're going to win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It gives them more power.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We come from a place of weakness, but even when we're afraid and we say, how are we going to win this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: then we're looking for solutions and we're looking for ways to do something through our fear.
47:04
[SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to throw that out there.
47:06
[SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted to ask you the last couple of things we're going to talk about is, you know, how are you feeling about the future of democracy?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because a lot of people are like, a lot of people are terrified and they think that it's gone forever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So where are you on this?
47:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to have tremendous faith in humanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't will it change?
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's evolved and changed since it's founding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has in technology changes things.
47:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the American people
47:42
[SPEAKER_01]: for the last and I'm going back 300 years because you know for 50 years before we ever signed the declaration we were still fighting for our independence.
47:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not used to being under the boot, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are not the kind of people that acquiesce quietly and want to say hello to a king because we have all, it's ingrained in us that the president of the United States puts their bridges on just like we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not to be worshiped so when we
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I think our big mistake was in 2015, we were polite, we were in shock, and this is where I get on the DNC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're living back like things were normal and they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what Trump did brilliantly, and I will give him credit for this, is they built online communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They let people find a community of like-minded people and gave them a voice and gave them the courage to go out and be bold and in people's faces and everybody back down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it was so much then out of fear as it was shock, the shock and
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[SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we it just typical military tactic when you figure out how the oppositions work and even if they have greater forces you go command, though, and you learn things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you've got to learn from what they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you evolve in warfare and we're in warfare, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like we give them communities like my porch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people used to set out on porches, stop by talks, you know, solve the woes of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You give people an opportunity to come and voice their concerns, their anger, that's why tell them stay salty.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to be salty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And give them, and that's what gives them the
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the courage, but the memory of, yeah, I used to do that, and I'm going to do it again.
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, I don't have to take that.
49:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what gives me hope is that my platform just exploded in a matter of a couple of months that I was not anticipating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly not equipped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still learning software and because I'm doing this all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I gave them a voice and a place to come, and they realized all these other people across the whole United States, and then some, I've got people from Australia, Canada, and UK on there too, that think the way I do, and they're frustrated the way I am, and they feel the way I am, and we give each other courage.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I don't think that our great experiment that started in 1776 is going anywhere.
50:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I feel like we're going to go through more shit and people are going to be hurt and it's going to be fucking bad.
50:40
[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, I don't think she's more bad.
50:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
50:44
[SPEAKER_04]: The 60s were really bad.
50:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was born in 68, which was like an incredibly volatile year.
50:51
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, you know, it sucks because.
50:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think it was the actress Kristen Johnston and this was during the first term said something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was during COVID and she said something so I guess like we peaked in the 90s, huh?
51:07
[SPEAKER_04]: about that because it's like, oh my god, yes.
51:10
[SPEAKER_04]: The whole hanging Chad Fiasco and oh my god my boyfriend it was so funny because as I said my boyfriend is a political guy and I was on his podcast last Friday and he was playing some of George W. Bush and I'm like, oh my god, he sounds like a road scholar compared to this one.
51:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
51:26
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I mean there were literal books about George W. Bush's stupidity.
51:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, to
51:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we've gone down really far, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg pointed out that the pendulum always swings back and forth.
51:40
[SPEAKER_04]: So even though we had four years of Joe Biden in four years of some really incredible and wonderful things happening, it was overshadowed by January 6 and MAGA and Trump and all of that.
51:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't necessarily include the pendulum going all the way to our side on that.
51:57
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's
51:58
[SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of time for for democracy to be thriving and like I said it'll evolve and change because what people forget is in 1776 we had slave owners women didn't get to my great grandmother's greatest pride was being a suffragette and getting to vote and man she took that I mean that was that was a big deal for her yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we've evolved and we will continue to evolve.
52:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Were these things covered in the Constitution?
52:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell no, whoever dreamt we would have somebody like the taco color outside the lines.
52:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
52:39
[SPEAKER_01]: My big thing right now is what he did with the East Wing.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, on my shirt, you know, I'll guarantee you he has no plans.
52:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He has got an AI rendering of what he wants.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's spoiled brat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tour that day on because now that it's toward down you're going to have to let me do something.
53:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you there are no blue prints.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no architectural drawing.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no engineering on the electric, the plumbing.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: None of that has been done yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to just to draw them up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take months and months and months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, but he tore that day on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a spoiled brat that he is just so you'd have to let him put something back and Mike Johnson sits there with his thumb up his ass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what are we gonna do now?
53:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to know who the hell's paying for all this and where the money is right now.
53:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, supposedly has collected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where's all this tariff money?
53:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
53:46
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well freaking job.
53:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, we're all just sitting here.
53:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he just, he just wanted, he just said it's time to go back to nuclear testing.
53:57
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's that.
53:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know what that's going to mean, but we're going to, I do believe we're going to survive this.
54:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're going to, we are.
54:05
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be beaten up even more, and we're going to have to go through some shit.
54:09
[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, hey, we, we, 10 million of us, like you said, stay at home or didn't vote for her.
54:15
[SPEAKER_04]: And for whatever reason, this is what we got now.
54:18
[SPEAKER_04]: We, we have this, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: horrible man, and I think that, you know, one of the ways to look at this in a productive ways, he is pointing out to us everything we need to fix.
54:28
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the hard way.
54:29
[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't take the easy way.
54:30
[SPEAKER_04]: We took the hard way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we just have our work cut out for us, and we have to show up, and it's going to hurt.
54:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, in the end, I think that if we keep focusing on, I love, I don't know if you're familiar with Park Rose permaculture.
54:43
[SPEAKER_04]: She goes, her name is Angela.
54:44
[SPEAKER_04]: She's got a big YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But she is a millennial, she's really smart, and she's often talking about the importance of non-violence protesting, and it's not just this, you know, hippie, hippie, la la la, there's a real strategy to the non-violence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: so yeah and it's like they don't know what to do with it when you're dressed up like a dinosaur or a big frog you look like a fucking idiot when you're chasing them down the street I mean there was that whole I don't know if you saw the video of some woman dressed up like a penis and they had to arrest her
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I saw the one where I was just chasing down the kid on the bicycle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look at those straight tops of me.
55:27
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think, you know, the, I mean, one thing we've got is we've got humor.
55:32
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think we need to really focus on our love and our humor because they don't know what to do with that.
55:37
[SPEAKER_04]: They're just like frozen when it comes to us being human and crying and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So just more of that.
55:43
[SPEAKER_04]: But all right.
55:44
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so awesome talking to you.
55:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say thank you for what you're doing because I know that you're reaching a certain part of our country that, you know, maybe I'm not going to be reaching or other people who do what I do.
55:59
[SPEAKER_04]: You have a specific kind of voice and I think that it's really important and I'm glad that you're exploding all over the internet.
56:06
[SPEAKER_04]: So before I let you go, please tell everyone where to find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on Facebook, it's mammals with a poster FES porch in with a letter in politics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm on Lusky, YouTube, Substack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm on a couple of others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, I'm everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I'm here, I'm on there.
56:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got, I'm going to have you on the Patreon link.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've got your blue sky and I've got your YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I highly recommend to all of my listeners.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Go check her out, follow her, spread her message.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Lisa, or I should say, Memo, it's been a joy talking to you and thank you for your time too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And thank you for having me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, of course.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, take care.