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Facing Evil: The Vaitos Conversation | Peter Vaitos · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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  Speaker 2: This podcast contains descriptions of sexual assault and psychological trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Support independent crime journalism. This episode comes to you after
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  Speaker 2: some soul searching. I don't believe everyone deserves a platform,
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  Speaker 2: and if I afford someone the opportunity to speak, I
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  Speaker 2: have to justify it. Today's guest falls very squarely into
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  Speaker 2: this difficult category. Peter Atos has been described as one
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  Speaker 2: of the worst sex offenders in Australia's history.
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  Speaker 3: The man dubbed the Silver Gun Rapist has been sentenced
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  Speaker 3: to twenty eight years in prison.
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  Speaker 2: The copy locked him up recently described him.
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  Speaker 1: A merciless offender, an evil piece of trash for Sikh units.
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  Speaker 2: The Silver Gun Rapist, as Vetos, was known, rigged terror
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  Speaker 2: on Victoria during a fifteen month period in the late
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, when he committed at least sixteen rapes at gunpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Police are hunting a massed gunman targeting women in Melbourne's Southeast.
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  Speaker 4: Authorities say no community can feel safe tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Captured in nineteen seventy nine, Beethos was sentenced to a
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  Speaker 2: maximum of twenty eight years jail, the heaviest sins for
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  Speaker 2: sexual assault since the death penalty was abolished for rape
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight. He was released in September nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety six, seventeen years into his sentence. He's never spoke
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  Speaker 2: into the media, but now facing his mortality, he wants
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  Speaker 2: to get something off his chest. He has information that
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  Speaker 2: he believes could help solve two of the Frankston Taynong murders,
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  Speaker 2: and it came from the killer. Another notorious sex offender,
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  Speaker 2: Raymond Edmonds, known as mister Stinky.
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  Speaker 5: Edmunds, defetied killer who terrorized Shepperton, serving life without.
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  Speaker 4: Parole for two murders and multiple rapes.
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  Speaker 2: Athos didn't come to me directly. The approach came from
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  Speaker 2: his daughter. When I spoke to Stacy, had to ask
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  Speaker 2: her why she would stand by her notorious father, let
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  Speaker 2: alone do it in public as she proposed. That was
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  Speaker 2: an important reason for doing this interview, to acknowledge her
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  Speaker 2: courage and try to make the authorities act on the
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  Speaker 2: information her father is sharing before he dies. I agreed
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  Speaker 2: to speak to Peter Atos on that basis, but this
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  Speaker 2: one act of redemption does not, and cannot ever excuse
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  Speaker 2: the depray of acts he committed against his victims. There's
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  Speaker 2: no coming back from that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just stop by identifying yourself. Could you tell me
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  Speaker 3: what your name is and what your history is?
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  Speaker 1: Peter, Oh, Peter Aidos got charged by the media.
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  Speaker 6: I'm the silver gun rapist. They charged me with a
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  Speaker 6: variety of.
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  Speaker 1: Different charges concerning rape and assault, and about a dozen
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  Speaker 1: or something or whatever it is, right, it's on me raptured.
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  Speaker 6: I can't remember everything.
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  Speaker 5: My name is Stacy Fatos. It's not my legal last name,
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  Speaker 5: but it's what I'm using for the purposes of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a thirty six year old and this is my dad,
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  Speaker 5: and I met him as an adult at twenty seven,
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  Speaker 5: and we've been in touch over the years since then.
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  Speaker 4: Why did you seek him out? What did you know
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  Speaker 4: of his story before you did that.
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  Speaker 5: I found out when I was about fourteen or fifteen
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  Speaker 5: that he was my father, and my mum had been
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  Speaker 5: one of the women that testified against him because he
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  Speaker 5: had several girlfriends she was a girlfriend, had no idea
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  Speaker 5: what he was doing, and because of Mum's role in that,
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  Speaker 5: I never had anything to do with my dad growing up,
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  Speaker 5: and I needed to meet him. I used to look
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  Speaker 5: in the mirror and judge myself, and meeting him at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the day was the best thing I
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  Speaker 5: ever did for myself, because no one is all the
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  Speaker 5: way through evil, I think, and I could see things
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  Speaker 5: that made me feel better about myself, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you see.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also very conscious of you, Stacy.
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  Speaker 3: You're an innocent party in all of this, and you're
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  Speaker 3: very brave to have this conversation in my opinion, okay,
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  Speaker 3: because she is the one that made me come and
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  Speaker 3: I understand, and she's doing this. There's something in your
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  Speaker 3: relationship that needs to be dealt with, obviously, and you've
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  Speaker 3: been going through a process I'd understand, is that right?
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  Speaker 3: And you stuck by your dad and many others wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and mirror for the first twelve months, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got her in a relationship when she found me
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  Speaker 1: at twenty seven, you found your dad, right, They tried
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  Speaker 1: and good day.
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  Speaker 5: I did that. My mum said, who had testified against
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  Speaker 5: try to do shit. I'm never talking to you again.
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  Speaker 5: So if that hadn't happened, maybe I wouldn't have had
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  Speaker 5: this great relationship with my dad. But because that happened,
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  Speaker 5: I did have a relationship with him, and I got
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  Speaker 5: to learn that he's not all bad and he's a
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  Speaker 5: good dad, and there's more to him than just his
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  Speaker 5: rap sheet.
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  Speaker 2: Vetos's rap sheet shows he was convicted of ten counts
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  Speaker 2: of rape and many burglaries, but some police believe he
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  Speaker 2: committed many more sexual assaults, citing a boast he made
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  Speaker 2: to one victim that she was number twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask one really important question? Are you confident
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  Speaker 3: that his rap sheet covers everything?
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  Speaker 5: I have asked him the same question.
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  Speaker 6: My shory hadn't changed.
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  Speaker 5: He's asking, is your rap sheet.
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  Speaker 6: For like complete my rap sheet?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Oh you got me rap sheet?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah no, but it.
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  Speaker 3: Is everything that you did on that rap sheet, on
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  Speaker 3: the one that that charged me with. No, but everything
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  Speaker 3: you've done nothing since I got out that I have
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  Speaker 3: ever done for them to quer him on.
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  Speaker 5: He's pointing out to you, if you've got any secrets
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  Speaker 5: in your closet pre nineteen seventy nine, they might come
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  Speaker 5: out from.
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  Speaker 6: This if I've got something.
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  Speaker 5: I've asked him and he said he's been concerned about
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  Speaker 5: you and that nothing's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be I wasn't concerned about you, Stacy, because
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  Speaker 3: you're the innocent party in all of this, and you've
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  Speaker 3: formed a relationship with your dad based on his honesty
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  Speaker 3: with you and transparency, you see. So I know this
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  Speaker 3: is difficult for you, both of you. So I just
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  Speaker 3: want to be clear.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I have to because I feel that
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  Speaker 5: him having a daughter adds legitimacy to him somehow. And
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  Speaker 5: it's the fact that I ran grimestoppers twice. I rang
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  Speaker 5: them the first time, and I rang them back a
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  Speaker 5: couple of weeks later and said, you haven't even scooped
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  Speaker 5: him up and talked, and what the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Hm?
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  Speaker 4: Did you have a chance to ask him about all
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  Speaker 4: the things that he did? Yes, I was that conversation.
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  Speaker 5: He's always been honest with me about that, really honest.
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  Speaker 2: When Vetos was released in nineteen ninety six, his critics
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  Speaker 2: believed it was only a matter of time before he reoffended.
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  Speaker 2: In an article in The Age newspaper titled can Evil
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  Speaker 2: release its script on a Man? Wetos was described as
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  Speaker 2: a calculating coward and evil personified. Give him six months
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  Speaker 2: to a year, he'd be back in jail. However, three
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  Speaker 2: decades on, Wetos has not reoffended. He presents himself as
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  Speaker 2: a rare successful example of rehabilitation behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sure that because i'd done the sex offender.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it was six weeks, six weeks, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I think to the psychologist he's John Bestow.
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  Speaker 6: I said, team him that I'm not a pedophile.
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  Speaker 1: He said, only I asked that same question about in
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  Speaker 1: two weeks time of a six weeks cause because they
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  Speaker 1: reckon I was too good to be true, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: right to life. And I made a clear in the
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  Speaker 1: sex depend of course we had to go back. And
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  Speaker 1: he says, well, I'll ask you that question. He says,
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  Speaker 1: to see if I was only pulling their legal or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: But because what happened is when I got in there
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  Speaker 1: and I got my sentence, I was dirty on that.
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  Speaker 1: And then I realized I was psychoanalyzing myself to find
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  Speaker 1: out why I'm in jail. And I found out I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't blame anyone.
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  Speaker 6: I was the problem, right.
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  Speaker 1: I kept them coming back to me. Right, So I'd
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  Speaker 1: done the cause. Well, it was true to his word.
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  Speaker 1: He asked me two weeks later, and I had the answer.
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  Speaker 1: He says, what's the difference. I said to him, there's
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  Speaker 1: no difference. The only difference is that we're all rapists.
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  Speaker 6: But the only thing that's differing is the target range.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have something likes old middle age or we
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  Speaker 1: were very young or in between? You know, I'm in
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  Speaker 1: sort of. That's the anything different. We're all rapists. That
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  Speaker 1: was the right answer for so were telling me. If
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  Speaker 1: I didn't come up with that, I wasn't tuned in.
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  Speaker 1: But I was tuned in two weeks after I've done
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  Speaker 1: the course.
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  Speaker 3: So you just said that you had to tell them
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  Speaker 3: why you're in jail. You have to understand why you
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  Speaker 3: in jail. Well, why did this whole thing happen?
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  Speaker 6: Oh? How it happened is I got married.
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted to caught a ac pick at fence,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, yeah, well I got a nerd
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  Speaker 1: for a wife, right, A nerd. A nerd is just a.
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  Speaker 6: Normal girl of old fashion, very old fashion. Because her
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  Speaker 6: name was Brown, right.
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  Speaker 1: And then what happened was her father was committing violence
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  Speaker 1: on her mother, and he was a drunk. He was
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  Speaker 1: always getting drunk, and he wasn't given enough to run
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  Speaker 1: the house. And the mother was working. That's how I
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  Speaker 1: met a. She was working at the same if I
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  Speaker 1: Rest Springs where I started working, right, I was working there.
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  Speaker 6: That's how I met the daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And then what happened was she tried to groom me
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  Speaker 1: into to be the perfect man.
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  Speaker 2: Ve Tasa's first wife was Shirley.
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  Speaker 1: And then when she was pregnant with Paul and shed
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  Speaker 1: by my son, she had him, she kept on trying,
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  Speaker 1: I was no good and this and that, you know everything,
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  Speaker 1: and she was going to threaten me she's going to
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  Speaker 1: have abortion, and I said to her, over my dead body.
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  Speaker 1: Well she never carried it out, but a thought in
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  Speaker 1: my head was there. But then I got into another relationship.
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  Speaker 1: She was a school teacher and she got pregnant.
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  Speaker 6: And then when I.
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  Speaker 1: Told her, well, when I come back, we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But then she was determined she wanted the career. When
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  Speaker 1: I come back to talk about it, she says, she's
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  Speaker 1: already done it. And I said to her, horses yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's all come out into that set vanished. Course,
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  Speaker 1: right when I was talking and I'm right alive, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like that blew my brain, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, didn't I have a say? She says
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  Speaker 1: it was her body. I thought I got it in
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  Speaker 1: my head all women were the same. And then I
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  Speaker 1: just went on the rampach. You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: don't you?
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  Speaker 3: So you you took it out on other women.
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  Speaker 4: You took out your anger.
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  Speaker 1: On people that never done or think to me, stupid,
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  Speaker 1: because that's how it works. You never hurt the one
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  Speaker 1: that you love or you're with, or you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you got a tour with someone else, innocent victory.
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  Speaker 5: Most sex offenders pray on their own children, their own grandchildren,
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  Speaker 5: their niece, their nephew, whatever, a stranger on stranger sex attackers,
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  Speaker 5: you're probably aware as much more uncommon. And yeah, that's
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  Speaker 5: like as far as being a dad who's been a
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  Speaker 5: good dud to me or over the years and in
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  Speaker 5: the seventies there was a lot of women feeling in
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  Speaker 5: power for the first time. That was all the women's
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  Speaker 5: lib stuff. And I think that it's just a very
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  Speaker 5: sad story.
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  Speaker 4: Really, the whole thing is sad. I get sad for you.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's sad for the women that you write
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Therefore, that's why I was saying before I went and
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  Speaker 1: done to the court, and I was telling me, you're
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  Speaker 1: too good to be true.
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  Speaker 6: I had the right.
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  Speaker 1: Answer because I was saying, there was a psycho analys
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  Speaker 1: and I said, the problem was me, not anyone else.
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  Speaker 6: I was hurting victims.
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  Speaker 4: How did it start though?
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  Speaker 3: What was the what was the world where you decided
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  Speaker 3: this was going to be what you were going to do?
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  Speaker 6: Well, what happened was this?
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  Speaker 1: It just happened that I got into a place and
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  Speaker 1: I was robbing, and there was a female in the house,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, I don't hurt me. You can do
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  Speaker 1: anything you like. She put the thought in your head.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: These are conversations I presuning you've had with you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've heard it, but I don't feel this is
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  Speaker 5: related to ton.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah we're going to get there, but I know you're
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  Speaker 4: doing it.
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  Speaker 7: Understand offending, but that's what it was, right, And I'm
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  Speaker 7: all less, said, well, you know they can participate and
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  Speaker 7: I'll just sit there, I watch, and.
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  Speaker 6: Now I left.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I knew there was another person running around
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  Speaker 1: with a shotgun.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So you're saying that all the offenses that were linked.
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  Speaker 6: To you, well go all of them you did.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I would have said you did a lot more
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  Speaker 4: than you were charged with.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no, that was burglaries.
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  Speaker 4: Just burglaries.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, burglary.
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  Speaker 4: He did a lot more.
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  Speaker 6: Bur and they dropped it down to thirty one thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: I says, no, I'm not was receiving with something else,
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  Speaker 1: and I was receiving. And I've got two years each
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  Speaker 1: one and a year for the other one because I
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  Speaker 1: told him I was going to get it hurt alls singlely.
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  Speaker 6: Ye.
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  Speaker 4: So how many rates were you charged with? Peter?
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  Speaker 6: I got it on that poon, that form. It's all there,
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  Speaker 6: everything in there, I've ea charge.
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  Speaker 1: They can't charge me with anything else because I'm clean.
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  Speaker 6: I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Until now they didn't carry on. I didn't come back
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  Speaker 1: to Rude who sent a card, because I sent a
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  Speaker 1: Christmas card to the.
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  Speaker 4: Mother for we'll get there. I want to finish with
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  Speaker 4: your issues. So that's want of work out.
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  Speaker 1: They got me for all the one because all mine.
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  Speaker 6: Was you need with a firearm?
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  Speaker 3: How did the silver gun come into your offending? Because
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  Speaker 3: that's what you were known as.
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  Speaker 6: I had found it you've hit a house. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: was robbing a house, But what sort of gun was it?
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  Speaker 1: Young American ear Little twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: Buy in large. As far as the media has been concerned,
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  Speaker 5: my dad's been flying under the Raidar'm mostly forgotten for
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  Speaker 5: the last thirty years. As you're probably aware now, Adrian
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  Speaker 5: Patterson did a story about him last year that was
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  Speaker 5: not factual, said that he arrested him and he found
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  Speaker 5: him through a nineteen eighty seven car, and I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 5: how can he do that? When he was arrested in
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  Speaker 5: seventy nine, I was in job.
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  Speaker 4: This was the detective.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the podcast, So.
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  Speaker 5: Why would he risked that being under the radar? Right,
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  Speaker 5: no one really has ever known who my father is.
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  Speaker 5: I'm coming out for this because I think it's too important.
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  Speaker 5: Why we've got stuff to lose? Why would we do
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  Speaker 5: this if we didn't believe it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm interested in your motives, Frankly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm a mom and a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, your dad's done what he's done, and he's paid
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  Speaker 3: his debt to society. I mean, I think there are
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  Speaker 3: people who suspect you did.
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  Speaker 6: More though no, no, they're all firearms more.
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  Speaker 5: I know who did more and it wasn't my dad.
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  Speaker 6: No, that's fine. They never dropped anything that they tried
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  Speaker 6: to believe.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't stop at one or two. You did know
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  Speaker 4: that you do well.
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  Speaker 6: Watch on the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think there was no charge with ten. You were
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  Speaker 4: charged with ten.
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  Speaker 6: I believe all actually were all on there. They charged me.
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  Speaker 4: People believe he did sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: No know who charged him sixteen, okay, but people believe
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  Speaker 1: that you did success.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of misinformation. I've read things that have
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  Speaker 5: said seventeen sixteen. I've read constantly that he has a
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  Speaker 5: middle name John, and it's just not true. But for
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  Speaker 5: some reason, everyone always causing Peter John. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: a middle name.
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  Speaker 3: So many factual things. But this is something that you've
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  Speaker 3: already dealt with between each other. Okay, tell me, how
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  Speaker 3: did you broach this conversation? Surely you'd want to know.
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  Speaker 3: You want to trust your dad. You're establishing a relationship
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  Speaker 3: with him at age twenty seven. Did you say to him, Dad,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to be honest with me.
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  Speaker 6: I have that happened?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, I didn't know anything about him except for
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  Speaker 5: what i'd heard from others or read in the media,
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  Speaker 5: and I decided that, yeah, I needed to know him myself.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't remember him. And when I did actually meet him,
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  Speaker 5: I realized that the first trauma in my life was
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  Speaker 5: my dad getting taken away when I was an infant.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think anybody explained it to me, and
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  Speaker 5: it was I had a stepdad that I believed was
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  Speaker 5: my real dad for some time that passed away. And yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't expect really to have a lasting relationship with
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: my dad when I met him.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: What was the purpose of it? Do you you saw it?
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: How did you find him? By the way?
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I you utilized an investigator?
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: And how long did it take?
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Not long at all?
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: So how did that come about for you? Peter? You
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: were contacted by the investigator?
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: No, I rocked up at his house when I rocked
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: up at your house the first time, and I said
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: to you, Peter, yeah, he thought I was a police officer.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I know who she is. She call me right, And
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I said yeah, She said, what did you want me
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to call you? I said, God, I'm your fucking dad, right,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I acknowledge is straight away.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: How many children do you have?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Me?
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Throw it there?
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: And how many of them speak to you?
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: The other two. You are to shamed.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: So how important was it to you when Stacy knocked.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: On your door?
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: She's the love on your life, and of.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Course we're honest with people that we love. And have
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: you been honest with her?
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah? The all the time.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's been honest with you?
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: I cannot think why he wouldn't be. I don't know
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: why he would fuck with me when I'm his only family.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I'm the only child that talks to him. I don't
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: think he's spending the end of his life messing with
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: me for shits and giggles. I think it's real, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: I have concerns and until someone can come up to
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: me and say, Stacy, I need to explain to me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: And I think there's something there. I think that it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: worth others hearing. I think that there's something in it,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and that's bigger than him.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: You live the double life. You live the life of deception.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: You see everybody.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: You're having false names, you're having girlfriends on the side,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: you're having all these Tell me, how do you reflect
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: on your level of honesty with the people that were important.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: To you before.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: A good bad boy?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I say I had girl friends, not girl friend saying
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: when I broke off.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to get back to this issue of trust, okay,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: because Stacy's taken a substantial risk in her life to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: trust you.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't deceive her.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I'm not deceiving her, or you can't know I'm muilty
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: as shell. Well what do I've done?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: What do you say to the women that you raped?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: The victims?
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm can I explain it?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm so shi like you know that I've devastated them
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't in me right mind at a time,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: because I blamed. I got it in my head that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: they were all the same, whether or not or women.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I've never met a woman that had the same personality
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: or anything.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: They're all.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: They've got perfection, they've got their own individuality.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: All women.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: They're not what you called but I put them on
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They're all the same. I couldn't put it, really do
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: words what the drama I've put the victims in? But
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I know it was my fault. You know, I just
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: kept on coming. That's why I've done the course to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: better myself. And I don't know anger management or don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: pursuit of excellence because you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Were very angry because the thing about those attacks was
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you were angry and terrifying and you threatened to kill them.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: No, No, I never threatened them. That's something I might
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: appointed that he's done, and I told them, you're going
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to do what I want.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: You to do.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: So how do you feel about your state of mind
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: back then when you were doing these things?
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about it now?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I was terrible for me, like for me to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: do all these things, you know, I mean, like I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: take before his onsibility of all I heard and pain
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: or I've done. And it's just not it's not just
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a victim. It's got to do with the whether it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a partner and all their family.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Collateral damage, all the collateral damage.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And you know I'm part of that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Yere aren't their children?
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Everyone?
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: My mother was part of that. She was a twenty
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: two year old woman that you know, had no idea
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: and there's been a lot of collateral damage.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And you had to cease relations with your mother in
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: order to have any relationship with your father.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Well, look, when I had children, I was back in
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: touch with my mom, but I just feel like it
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: never went back the same. After that time, I initially
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: contacted my dad. She's scared of him, like she's she testified.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: This is really another question you asked.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I was brought up to be scared of him, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: I guess that was part of why I had to
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: meet him.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Why are you not scared now?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Ah, I don't know, because I'm softness butter, and I warned,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: what if she means a person? It's the tour motive.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And I've been proven right with the things I've said
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to her about what could happen to her?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Tell me was it became like a big deal in
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the papers these things were going on. How did you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: feel when you read about what you've done?
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Well, there's nothing I can do about it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I just had at the time.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: They did give you pleasure.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it didn't because I knew I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: screwed up because I already done the course.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: And I was saying, while you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Were doing this, in that period of time where you
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: committed ten rapes, this was making the papers, the people
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: you were terrorizing Melbourne.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: At that time, everyone in Melbourne was scared. I don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: remember it, but from people who do, the whole city
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: was on edge.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: And how did you feel when you read about the
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: way these events were.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Well, I got bad.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I felt real bad, you know, I felt bad because
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: so I knew it wasn't their fault.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So why didn't you stop when you felt bad at
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the time, when you were doing these things?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Until I didn't shop after the first one. Then it
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: was just a continuation, you know, like I think. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: then I'd say to himself, I shouldn't be doing this,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, why.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Did you say you shouldn't be doing this?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Well, well, I knew that I shouldn't be hurting people
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: because they haven't done anything to me.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: That's the bottom line.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I can't explain anything else, right, that's because I knew
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I was at fault, and there's nothing I could change it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: There's no words I can express to take the hurt
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: feel and I give him the victim and her family
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: other than saying listen, I'm truly truly sorry.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: And by this shattered me when who was talking about
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: all this bloody start?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And I can't change all that just happened, You know
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Then you can't.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: You can't know, so I had to just cop that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But I've been the whipping boy and she's been the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: whipping girl. Coppying Schlak right, because you know when people
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: take it out on her, because she's my the order.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty six, Vetos was in Pantridge Prison and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: began to associate with an even more henous offender, Raymond Edmunds. Edmunds,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: known as mister Stinky for his vile body odor, was
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: serving life without parole for two murders and multiple sexual
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: assaults against women. Weetos claims that Edmunds made admissions to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: him about the Frankston Tinyl murders. Between May nineteen eighty
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and October nineteen eighty one, six girls and women were murdered,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: their bodies dumped in bushland in the Tonelong North and
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Frankston areas southeast of Melbourne. Among the victims were fourteen
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: year old Katherine Headland and seventy three year old Bertha Miller.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: According to Vatos, Edmonds had told him information about these
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: murders that only the killer could have known. He was
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: determined to act on this.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: You're in jail and then on May first, nineteen eighty nine,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a letter is sent to the then Victoria Police Deche
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Commissioner at Kelblaire talking about Catherine Headland.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Did you write that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: Yes, type, I'll borroing a typewriter, that's right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: But why did you write that letter?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Because before that I sent a Christmas card to Headland's mother.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Because I realize the conversation I was having with this bloke,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a man I just look at dislike to him, you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Who is that man?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: By?
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Itman? All right, mister stinky heesh.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: The Christmas card, sent in December nineteen eighty eight contained
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a handwritten note from Vetos which read, I hope in
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: writing to you, I do not cause you or your
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: family any stress. I can comprehend the pain, the agony
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: you've endured to lose a loved one, Catherine. Not knowing
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: when or if the perpetrator singular or plural, will ever
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: be caught, well, the new year may be a good
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: one for you. Things may unfold, including the name of
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the perpetrator whose deeds make Trua look like kids. Stuff.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I'll keep in touch sometime in the new year, signed
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: anonymous friend. Vetos sent the card after talking with Edmunds.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Tell me where were you when you began.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Speaking to Edmunds when he first came into h division.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I was a billet and they'd be putting him in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a separate yard. Shame as when I come in. So
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you're the billet in h Division and that's where I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: talked to him, and no one's talking to him. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I said, you wanted something to rude And I said,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I've got something over you want something?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Five months after send him the Christmas card, Bethos wrote
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to then police Commissioner Kel Blair with information about Headland
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and Bertha Miller, whose bodies were found close together in
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a quarry at Taynong North in November nineteen eighty.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: Is the TIONG file gathering dust? Have you run into
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: a dead end? Do you need help? With a multitude
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: of questions but very few answers. Did you know you
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: were dealing with a mass murder and a scale never
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: seen in this country? Only the top American serial killers
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: surpassed this cold blooded killer.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Did you know Edwin A.
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: Boyle was another victim and others across three states? Did
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: you find the approach that Bertha was wearing on the
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: day of a murder? All the pair of silver Sterling
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: bluebird earrings belonging to Catherine.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Vetos wrote the letter after talking to Edmonds on the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: question of taking souvenirs from sexual assault victims. Now seventy
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: seven years of age, Vetos is a bit vague on
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the details after all these years, so Stacy prompts him.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: The police talk to you about souvenirs, and they said,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: you had a fucking souvenir from a rape that was
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: a bluebird? No, no necklace?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Did you take souvenirs?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: No?
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Why not that?
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: I wasn't what do you call it?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That I was in there treating him like shitgirls, rapingham,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not taking him shut.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: If he took anything, I believe it was as a thief,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: not as a memento. Does that make sense?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what that's sub did come up in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: one of my trials, a victim that I've been a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: convicted of said that the bluebird ear rings was hers necklace.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Necklace.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So how I got him to tell him about the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: bluebird earring it was? I was telling him about the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: necklace in my case that the girls said that was
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: hers and it wasn't right. And I says, if they
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: find the ear rings jewelry and he says no, he says,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: he says they have to get a head first.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Hang on, did he first tell you anything about anyone
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: having bluebird earrings like the necklace that your victim had.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well it was in the headline. So yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: you're talking.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Let's take a step back. Yeah, so forget this right.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: You were accused of taking a necklace, which you did
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: not do.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the family guilt, they found it guilty.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Of him anyway. But then you're talking to Raymond Edmunds.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I told him the story about that, said,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: if you've ever taken any jewelry from those things, ray
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I said to him, I wasn't calling him thinking that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you're gone if.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: They find him. And then that's when he said, they
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: have to get her head first, they have to get out.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: He said, my dad's told me. He said that the
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: girl still has the ear rings.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, but they got something.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: There was a brooch that the broach was that Miller had,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: so Edmunds, what she mentioned was what he called it
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: had a broach and the other one had ear rings,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: but the young one had ear rings.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And he said, he said this to you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that two of his victims had one
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: had a brooch and the other one had bluebird earrings and.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: He'd taken those.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You're gone if they found him. I'm telling him he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was gone, and he says, I have to get her
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: head first.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Police took the information in the letter very seriously, believing
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it could have come from the killer himself, because it
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: contained information only the killer would know. However, by this
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: time police did have Catherine's bluebird earrings, but not Miller's brooch.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: We've only just put that together. And I read something
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: about head shad well, that makes that makes sense in
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: the context of you saying the girl still has earrings,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: because if the head was missing, they're still with the girl.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, that's just to get him talking about it, you
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: know what I mean.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And did he did he say Catherine Headland?
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Good?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Did he say the name Katherine Headland?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: You just said the fourteen year old?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: He said the fourteen Raymond Edward said to you the
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: fourteen year old. They'll find the earrings if they find
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: her head.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Effectively, Yeah, that's with hindsight, that's with hig the miller you.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Were saying that he admitted, but he didn't take none
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't take the jewelry. You know, my
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: don't jump. He just said they'd had to get a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: head first. Yeah, but he mentioned they had jewelry, trying
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to rattle them off. But he says about the miller.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Nobody in the public knew about the jewelry at the time,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So when his letter got into the media, it caused
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: this big thing. Well, who wrote this letter? Because they
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: know that the victim had bluebird ear rings? And they
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: know that another victim had approach And I know who
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: didn't commit those murders because he was arrested in nineteen
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: seventy nine, and that's this guy here, So how did
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: he know? And until someone tells me how he knew?
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: That's why I will never shut up.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Have you told anybody else this before about the bluebird earrings?
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Were you questioned at the time? Did they did know
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: with the letter?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: What happened then was when they come down and raided Pentridge,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: they've gone to located the typewriter. But shortly after that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I sent the letter, I got into a fight with
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the Kettleton and they shotted me right and I was
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: down h Division right. That's when they come down and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: saw me. But they didn't give me an interview like
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you normally would give they said, did I send the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: letter to the commissioner? And I said, yes, it's obvious.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: To go back to a question you asked, why would
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: you do that? Well, because he thought he had the
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: information that was going to solve the crime. He was
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: telling the headlines I think next year is going to
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: be a good year for you because he thought that
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: he had all the answers.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So this is in the Christmas car that you wrote
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: to family.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: And maybe he thought that because he had certain information,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: it might help him in some way.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: And yes, OK, so.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You're very clear. Let's just that's up a little bit.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: You're very clear that ray Edmunds, mister Sinky told you
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that effectively he killed Bertha Miller and Catherine Headler.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he told me he was in a conversation
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that I've had with him a couple of years or
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. He's rund the tipping he was. He
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: trusted me because I was doing a twenty eight with
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a what he called and then I've got an extra
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: six months for cutnoe Blake's right, and that's given me
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: seventeen years twenty five and a half. Right, Yeah, Oh,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I know he made it clear because he was telling
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: me that he did it. That's when he he had
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of things that he was very He used to get
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the paper in here, he used to get the missing people.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That's how the tynand come.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Edmunds has never been a strong suspect in the Frankston
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: tyne On cases because he was living in New South
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Wales at the time. It's possible that Edmunds did return
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to Victoria for the killings. However, police do not believe
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: he had the charm and interpersonal skills needed to lure
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the women into a vehicle, as it appears occurred in
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: many of these cases. Vetos says Edmonds also gave him
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: information about a woman named Edwina Boyle who disappeared in
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: October nineteen eighty three.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: He was looking at it another time. Was you know
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: the pictures?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I have a mission girls. He says, I know that
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: girl and that was a Duena Boil.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: So Ray Edmonds also new with Wuena Boyle.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Now Dad claims that he wrote the letter and there's
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: a name that's redacted on that letter. As you can see.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: He says that name is a Duena Boyle. However, this
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: is where we lose people with this story, because Fred
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Boyle went to prison for a Duena Boyle's murder.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: But how did Dad know he billed his wife and
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: put her in a barrel? Yeah, planned and then toted
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: this barrel around.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: From Well, the reason why I put that in, the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: reason why I put that in He told me about
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: DNA Boil.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: So Edmonds told you that because she was he had
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: the thing.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: I believe he told him that she wouldn't be coming back.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: I killed her bit that one way of coming back,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: and Greena Boil was actually later found to have been deceased,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: and Dad knew about it twenty years before she was found.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: How it wasn't him? How if it wasn't Stinky as
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: someone that Stinky knew. That's all I can think of,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: and I can't let go of it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: I'm a mom.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: There was a fourteen year old child, I'm a woman.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: He's done his time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Haven't you told police that you call crime stoppers twice?
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Has anybody contacted you?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: No?
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: And the second time I rang them back was to
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: say you haven't even scooped up Peter to ask him
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: about me, saying he's claiming this.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Of course, there's a reward.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yes on the Frankston some people might say, you've only
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: saying this to get a reward.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: No, what we've forgotten, what we've left out of this story.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: My father claims that before he got slotted, he went
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: to another prisoner and said, I know this about Stinky.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Let's go and let's tell them and we'll see if
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: it helps us out and you with our sentences. This
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: is another man by the name of Kerry Andrews, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Dad got slotted because of Kettleton. And Andrews went forward
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: and pretended that he was the one that had been
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: told these things, and he stole Dad's story.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when the cops come down, I can remember they
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I told him that it was mister Stinky.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, So you don't think the police believed you about
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: what you said about Eddence?
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Would you give evidence to the police again if they
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: were interested in talking to you once more?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah? But shoot, what it is is theys A simple question,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: yes or no? Would you give evidence?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a bit what he call with them, because
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: they already made up. They've flame and mine.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Well, these are different police that you're talking about a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: long time ago.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: Well, well, I suppose I would your daughter's.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Nodding her head. Here, I reckon, she wants you to
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: do it correct.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: It needs to be done. Hence why we're having this conversation.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Someone needs to tell us how my dad knew about
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: those earrings. It had to have been the person who
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: told him, or someone else told that person. How else,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: how else? This is a forty year old girl. They
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: run on through that all of the victims were just
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: as important, all of them, no matter of age. But
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: this was a child. That's, as a mother, horrifying, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: I can only think about. You know, they say someone
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: out there must know something about crimes, right, and they
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: want people to come forward. Well, here we are. We
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: think we know something.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Because Peter, you're not a well man.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: No what I'm pried got.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Cancer, you've got melanomapartments, we've got a model, I'm there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: So you're not a well man. So time is running
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: out for you to tell this.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm frightened of.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And what I said to my daughter, I was going
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to tell her why I tell us at least someone
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: knew what I know, and that had a profound effect
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on her and she couldn't keep the secret no more.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: And she told me about it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Now I'm indebted to follow suits me to say, yes, well,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I did tell her all of these things.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Right Another A critic might say that you're just saying
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: this to please your daughter, who's risked a lot for you.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sticking by you. But are you doing it because
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: it's true? Because you're pleasing your daughter?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: It is true.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: I am worried now.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That I might die, and that's what I told her
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: these things. I might die or he dies. We're not
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: he's eighty and I'm not too well. If I die
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: or he dies, that's the end of story. That what
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's what I'm worried about.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: And I do she around.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: You may at fourteen fifteen, at the time when Shaw
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: will have happened, and she's got a couple of daughters herself,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and I've got another daughter too. What I'm saying is
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm frightened and I might die, and then that's the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: end of it. Like their cases died. Now, shame that
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: whatever they shame.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: You know, no way to explain how he knew about it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: So people can criticize her what they want, but can
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: someone please tell me how he knows about the earrings.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: If there's some other explanation, whether that's vig pole, because
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to shut up until i know how
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: he knew about those earrings.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Well, that's sure, that's someone hears about this. Yes, you're
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: very courageous.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: I know I'm proud of it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: You've saved him and you saved him again.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: There's things that people, there's things that need to come
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: to light.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And she made me realize, wake me up and same
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: because you did.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: So let's fay you did some terrible things, go terrible things.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: This is an opportunity to do something good.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm doing it because simple reason is that's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: why I told her all those things. Because I'm worried
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to that I might die with all these complications. That's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: regardless of what they think, right that it's never going
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to get solved after this. This is what I'm saying
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to me in order what i'd have to do with
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you when you come or if I've got to come
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: out with something, I'd have to tell you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: She was only fowardeen.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: She never fell in love, she never got married, she
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: never had kids, she never had grand kids.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Let's hope that I'm going to take this back to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the homicide squad and tell them in the conversation. We've
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: had the people there and we'll see what happens. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming forward, and I appreciate your.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: The only reason I'm coming forward is because I'm worried
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: i might die. And that's the end of it. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: don't care as a way, Well, it's not going to
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: be sholved. It's not going to be incholved.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: And to answer the question from before, you know, yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: there is a massive reward on it. There's a million
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: dollars per victim. No, we haven't done this to get
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: a reward. But is it something that you're aware of
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: in the background. Of course you are. It's a lot,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: and that's why they put it out there to try
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: to get people to go forward. But how many of
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: these rewards actually get paid out in the end.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Very few, See, That's what I didn't forget to say.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: From the time I sent the letter out and the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: cops come and whatever the things I said, I never
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: asked for any reward.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: I was given them for free.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: That was the silver gun rapist Peter Vetos and his
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: daughter Stacy. There is a one million dollar reward for
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: information leading to an arrest in each of the six
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Frankston Time murders. If mister Stinking did turn out to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: be the killer of Catherine Hedlund and Bertha Miller, Peter
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Atos could stand to collect. What an moment that would be.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: If you have information about these cases or any others,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: please send me an email at Adam Shand writer at
• 43:21
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