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I Am All the Star Wars Fans · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 3: All right, look, there's only one return, okay? And it
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  Speaker 3: ain't of the King, it's of the Jedi. Well, Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars geek.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian, and we're coming to you live via digital
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  Speaker 5: recording from the Cabin in the Woods. Or at least
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  Speaker 5: we will be in just a minute. Because that's where
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  Speaker 5: I was when I sat down with Sterling. And I asked, well,
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  Speaker 5: sort of a loaded question. One that I didn't exactly
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  Speaker 5: know the answer to. But I figured once I ask it,
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  Speaker 5: once we got rolling, well, it would be its own episode.
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  Speaker 5: Because you see, Sterling, oddly enough, had not seen The
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  Speaker 5: Rise of Skywalker in the theater. And so as we
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  Speaker 5: sat down and he mentioned that he'd just gotten a
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  Speaker 5: chance to watch it, I ask, what is your take on.
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  Speaker 4: The Rise of Skywalker? And of course, that led to
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  Speaker 4: all of this.
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  Speaker 3: We watched the first two without me, because I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's cool. I don't need to see The Force Awakens
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  Speaker 3: and The Last Jedi, maybe even ever again. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that to.
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  Speaker 4: Be a troll.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, I'm good with those movies right now.
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  Speaker 4: Force Awakens. Like, it still just works on such a
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  Speaker 4: basic level. Mm-hmm. It's like, it's almost like, I remember
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  Speaker 4: talking about it when we did the show, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, it's so impressive that it works as a
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  Speaker 4: reboot and its own movie and a sequel all at
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  Speaker 4: the same time. Like, it is simultaneously straddling the line
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  Speaker 4: between so many different things that I'm just like, it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of amazing.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think The Force Awakens, in terms
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  Speaker 3: of his accomplishment, might be J.J. Abrams' greatest film. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean that in the sense of... And I want
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  Speaker 3: to be clear here, and I do not want to
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  Speaker 3: say any of this is a backhanded compliment. This is
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  Speaker 3: like me trying to give J.J. Abrams his due for
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  Speaker 3: producing some movies that I don't really love. I want
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  Speaker 3: to say I think he's a great producer. He might
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  Speaker 3: be one of our greatest living producers. He is the
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  Speaker 3: guy who you can tap to come into a room
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  Speaker 3: with a bunch of studio execs who said, hey, we
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  Speaker 3: just bought this thing called Star Wars. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what to do with it. And he can reassure all
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  Speaker 3: of them and say, listen... I know what fans want.
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  Speaker 3: I know what they like. I can get you, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I can get you, you know, a script and a
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  Speaker 3: story that they will be happy with, you know? And
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  Speaker 3: so in that sense, that's how I see the force awakens.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, it's, it's him doing probably accomplishing the best
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  Speaker 3: he ever will in terms of realizing a property for
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  Speaker 3: its fans at the same time as he is attempting
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  Speaker 3: to construct this larger media thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I respect about that movie and his accomplishment.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, so we re-watched Rise of Skywalker, went back,
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  Speaker 3: re-watched the prequels. I saw Rise of Skywalker. It's actually
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  Speaker 3: the first Star Wars movie I've ever not seen in theaters.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Yeah, I know, right?
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  Speaker 4: That's... Because I've certainly gone into it, but coming in
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  Speaker 4: somewhat fresh, what is your take on Rise of Skywalker?
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  Speaker 3: I'll try to keep it brief because I know everyone
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  Speaker 3: and their grandmother has a really lengthy opinion they love
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  Speaker 3: to share. I will say two things about it and
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  Speaker 3: elaborate briefly. The first is that I think it's probably
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  Speaker 3: the most complicated unnecessarily so of the Star Wars movies.
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  Speaker 3: It's got multiple fetch quest plots that are really largely
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  Speaker 3: unnecessary and don't add anything to the story. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of extra characters thrown in at the end that, again,
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  Speaker 3: don't really add anything particularly to the story.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the last one was like that too, but
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  Speaker 4: at least it was a more simplified version where this
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  Speaker 4: really does spread out quite a bit.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right. And The Last Jedi also, I mean, again,
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  Speaker 3: to give Rian Johnson, Rian Johnson as some like to
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  Speaker 3: call him, his do, it had some pretty... I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I talked about how incoherent I found the movie and
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's incoherent, but I think he himself
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  Speaker 3: had what he thought were very coherent thematic goals. Whereas
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  Speaker 3: Rise of Skywalker is trying to pull double duty.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's trying to somehow erase and incorporate the last Jedi
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  Speaker 3: simultaneously into the story.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I, I mean, that's what I have to
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  Speaker 4: give JJ credit for is like, he has been thrown
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  Speaker 4: some of the most challenging games in the entire entertainment
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  Speaker 4: industry history ever i mean because i just mentioned this
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  Speaker 4: to somebody the other day i was like if you
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  Speaker 4: would ask me in fact i think i said it
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  Speaker 4: on the show within that span of time i was
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  Speaker 4: like on the on the trick world i was like
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  Speaker 4: people love the series you can make new spin-off series
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  Speaker 4: next generation all these other ones you can't recast those
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  Speaker 4: original people You can't do Kirk again. You can't do Spock.
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  Speaker 4: And he did it. And the world didn't shut down.
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  Speaker 4: People love it or hate it, but they accepted it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I will also give him credit that the
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  Speaker 3: cast that he put together, as much as I don't like.
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  Speaker 3: Two out of the three of those movies. And the
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  Speaker 3: third one's okay. I was about to say, I think
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  Speaker 3: the third one's really fun. Yeah, I think the third
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  Speaker 3: one is easily the best of the lot. And frankly,
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  Speaker 3: there are many things about the third one that I... Like,
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  Speaker 3: when I heard that that director, Denny Lin, was it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, he's one of the Fast and Furious directors. But obviously,
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  Speaker 3: he's a real Trek head. And I felt, actually, there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot in that movie that I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this guy kind of gets it. He actually kind of
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  Speaker 3: gets some of it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's so a big, long episode of any.
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  Speaker 3: Of the series.
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  Speaker 4: It's lower stakes, and it's not trying to, like, the
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  Speaker 4: first one was so much trying to, like, okay, we
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  Speaker 4: have to reset this, and we have to figure out
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  Speaker 4: a timeline reset thing, and then we don't want to
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  Speaker 4: piss people off, but we still want to have some
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  Speaker 4: sort of continuity. So it's playing all those games. Then
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  Speaker 4: it becomes the con game of, like, pun intended, how
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  Speaker 4: do I work? con in but cons beloved as a
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  Speaker 4: film and a character and so it's like how do
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  Speaker 4: we do that and not ruin my story and not
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  Speaker 4: piss all the fans off and so it's got so
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  Speaker 4: much to do and so much baggage coming into those
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  Speaker 4: first two where the third one's just kind of hey
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  Speaker 4: let's have an adventure on this planet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and if anything, it suffers from the two problems
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  Speaker 3: most common to Trek films, which is one, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: it's an episode writ large, as opposed to a real
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  Speaker 3: feature film concept, right? Like some of the great Trek
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  Speaker 3: films are, like Wrath of Khan or First Contact, where
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  Speaker 3: you're actually telling a much larger story instead of just
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  Speaker 3: an episodic voyage home.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other problem that goes along with that
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  Speaker 3: is the problem that other Trek films have of trying
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  Speaker 3: to over-below what is essentially an episode plot. So again,
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  Speaker 3: in the third of the Trek films, they have to
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  Speaker 3: once again destroy the Enterprise. They have to once again
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  Speaker 3: put all of.
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  Speaker 4: It's what we love, is to watch things we love
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  Speaker 4: be destroyed so we can bring them back again.
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  Speaker 3: Well, certainly what J.J. Abrams thinks we love. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they did it.
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  Speaker 4: How many times now?
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  Speaker 3: How many times do we watch the old Enterprise die?
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  Speaker 4: How many times do we crash it into a planet
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  Speaker 4: in the next iteration?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Well, and that was just it, is that
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  Speaker 3: the old Enterprise gets destroyed and replaced with the Enterprise
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  Speaker 3: A at Star Trek 5, I think it is.
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek oh wait no it crashes into the Genesis
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  Speaker 3: planet sorry in Star Trek 3.
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  Speaker 4: Well yeah you switch it out don't they blow up their.
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  Speaker 3: Own they switch it out they switch it out for
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  Speaker 3: the Enterprise A same model in with minor retouches in
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  Speaker 3: the end of Voyage Home the beginning of Star Trek
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  Speaker 3: 5 that's part of the thing is that it's brand
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  Speaker 3: new blah blah blah We.
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  Speaker 4: Lose our fun Klingon ship we've been cruising around in
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  Speaker 4: for a movie and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which was kind of a great touch, actually.
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  Speaker 4: There's an entire movie where they're in not only not
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  Speaker 4: the Enterprise, but a Klingon ship for no good reason.
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  Speaker 3: Well, for a good reason. And Uhura has some great
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  Speaker 3: scenes where she has to talk Klingon to convince them that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're Klingons.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't watched that in forever, but God, that movie's
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  Speaker 4: so damn good.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, someone, one critic once said that Voyage Home,
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  Speaker 3: which I hated as a kid growing up because I
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  Speaker 3: felt it was the least Star Trek-y of the movies.
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  Speaker 3: It was like they just took the entire Star Trek
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  Speaker 3: crew and put them in the middle of a sitcom.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you hate whales.
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  Speaker 3: But as i've gotten older i appreciate it more because
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  Speaker 3: uh was one critic said it's like pure unadulterated fun
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  Speaker 3: Every character gets a little character moment. Like, Scotty gets
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  Speaker 3: to invent transparent aluminum and talk to a mouse on
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  Speaker 3: a computer. That isn't how you use your mouse? McCoy
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  Speaker 3: gets to discover that, like, barbarians, they are treating this
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  Speaker 3: woman by drilling a hole in their head. And he
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  Speaker 3: just gives her some pills and says, call me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: they each get these kind of beautiful moments. And the
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  Speaker 3: nuclear wessels and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We do need wessels.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, but backing up to, we were talking about Rise
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  Speaker 3: of Skywalker, and I would say that the other thing,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, the one thing was that it had
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  Speaker 3: the most to do out of any of the movies
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  Speaker 3: in terms of just plot, and so it had this big, sprawling,
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  Speaker 3: complicated plot and everything else, like you said. But the
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  Speaker 3: other thing was that it was actually probably the most
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  Speaker 3: original of the new movies, despite what Rian Johnson, I think,
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  Speaker 3: thinks he's doing in The Last Jedi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This new movie actually brings in the most actual new material. Not,
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  Speaker 3: you know, okay, we're now going to put Rey through
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  Speaker 3: a training sequence where she's swinging around a lightsaber. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: now we're going to put these people through an inversion
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  Speaker 3: of this scene that we've already seen. Instead, you actually
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  Speaker 3: see the three mains actually together for a change.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that, I think, was what was so much fun.
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  Speaker 4: I think I said that when we watched it. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, the thing that everybody loved about that original
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  Speaker 4: trilogy is mostly that first movie. We spend time with
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  Speaker 4: the whole gang in almost the entirety of that movie.
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  Speaker 4: We go through the whole next movie, and you're like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: I wish they were together. This movie's awesome, but they're
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  Speaker 4: all separated and stuff, man. And we don't get to
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  Speaker 4: the very end of the third one before the gang's
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  Speaker 4: back together again.
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  Speaker 3: And then Luke goes off to confront Vader. It's not
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  Speaker 3: very long. But with that said, in this one, they
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  Speaker 3: almost reverse that pattern. But we do get some great
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  Speaker 3: moments of little character connections between our three mains and
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  Speaker 3: things like that. So I would say that in terms
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  Speaker 3: of it standing on its own two legs as a movie,
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  Speaker 3: it actually... I would argue tries the hardest and succeeds
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  Speaker 3: the most at doing that, despite having the biggest laundry
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  Speaker 3: list of things that it actually has to accomplish. And
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  Speaker 3: so much of that being deeply unnecessary because it's convoluted
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  Speaker 3: its own plot for no good reason. So it's this
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  Speaker 3: weird mixed bag, but it's a perfect way in a
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  Speaker 3: way to end the new trilogy, which I think overall
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  Speaker 3: is a... Well, failure. But, you know, not to put
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  Speaker 3: too fine a point on it. But with that said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're looking at a.
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  Speaker 7: I.
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  Speaker 3: Just think it's a thing that you have to consider
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  Speaker 3: on the, whatchamacallit, production level as much, if not more so,
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  Speaker 3: than the story level. A lot of people want to
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  Speaker 3: criticize these movies on a story level. There's plenty to
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  Speaker 3: criticize there, but I want to recognize... As.
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  Speaker 4: You said, J.J.
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  Speaker 3: Abrams accomplished some really remarkable things. This is one of
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  Speaker 3: the reasons I think he's one of the world's greatest producers.
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  Speaker 3: He recast Star Trek. And by God, even though I
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  Speaker 3: hated those movies, as I was about to say before,
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  Speaker 3: even though I didn't like those movies except for the
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  Speaker 3: third one. I really would love to see, I think
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  Speaker 3: he perfectly cast almost everybody. Even Chris Pine, who I
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  Speaker 3: don't love, if you had handed him a serious Kirk role,
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  Speaker 3: I bet you he would step up to the plate.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you he would give a good swing.
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  Speaker 4: He certainly isn't exactly Shatner, which you don't want, really.
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  Speaker 4: Who could ever be? Shatner isn't maybe of this world.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what goes on in the Shatner.
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  Speaker 3: Canada, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: He gets like the vibe and the swagger almost that
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  Speaker 4: you have to have to be Kirk. Like he brings
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  Speaker 4: a whole different spirit to it, but he definitely gets.
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  Speaker 3: The core of it. Well, it's impossible to do a
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  Speaker 3: Shatner that is not a parody, right? Because Shatner is himself.
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  Speaker 4: Which is why I was so glad they didn't find
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  Speaker 4: somebody that was trying so hard to be Shatner.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm going to say this. I
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  Speaker 3: realized this a while back. I'm like, I'm actually a
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  Speaker 3: legit fan of William Shatner. He is such a unique actor.
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  Speaker 4: There's never a role.
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  Speaker 3: Remember the movie? Remember that TV show he was on
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  Speaker 3: for like nine seasons where him and James Spader were
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  Speaker 3: best friends?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, he is an absolutely unique presence. And
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  Speaker 3: so trying to copy him or trying to outdo him,
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  Speaker 3: God forbid, you're gonna fail. So it's like a catch-22.
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  Speaker 3: How do you capture Kirk without Shatner? How do you
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  Speaker 3: somehow plant somebody who isn't Shatner in? But yet who
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  Speaker 3: can play this character? You know, big question marks there.
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  Speaker 3: A great example of a solution to that problem is
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  Speaker 3: actually in that show Hannibal, which was produced by a
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  Speaker 3: great Brian Fuller, who's one of the great geniuses working
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  Speaker 3: in TV. Also had a brief stint on Star Trek Discovery.
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  Speaker 3: He cast Mads Mikkelsen in one of Mads Mikkelsen's greatest
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  Speaker 3: turns as Hannibal Lecter. And you're like, how on earth
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  Speaker 3: could you ever replace Anthony Hopkins? But then you see
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  Speaker 3: Mads Mikkelsen do his thing, which is... you know, completely
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  Speaker 3: his own. And yet somehow that feels right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That feels correct.
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  Speaker 4: As long as it works. Yeah. It's like, as long
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  Speaker 4: as you can draw this line between the two, it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have to connect from one day to the next.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But as long as like within time, you're like, all right.
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  Speaker 4: And I see it being that guy down the line.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, but, uh, and that's JJ Abrams trick. That's his,
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  Speaker 3: or I shouldn't say trick. It's his talent.
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  Speaker 4: J.J.
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  Speaker 3: Abrams is a person who I think has, and I
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  Speaker 3: say this with great reverence, has virtually no imagination whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: I think he is a person who.
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  Speaker 3: Virtually every good thing that he has ever done is
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  Speaker 3: essentially a stylistic twist on something somebody else did before.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And this is not something... By the way, this is
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  Speaker 3: no impediment to making great movies. It's not a knock, really.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably the most functional thing you can have in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. And that's one of the reasons why.
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  Speaker 4: It's so rare that you're given the opportunity to do
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  Speaker 4: something original. Especially 100% original.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is, yeah, for somebody to be successful, that's what
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  Speaker 4: you need.
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  Speaker 3: And so he's actually, in that respect, the perfect person
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  Speaker 3: to bring on if you're trying to reboot Star Trek
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  Speaker 3: and you don't know what all these crazy fans want
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  Speaker 3: from their movie. So Abrams developed this style that I
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  Speaker 3: like to refer to, and I've talked about this with
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  Speaker 3: you before, I think, as meta-pandering. And again, I say this,
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  Speaker 3: I swear to God I'm not giving a backhanded compliment.
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  Speaker 3: But the movie, the first Star Trek movie, what is
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  Speaker 3: it about? It's about putting James Kirk in command of
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  Speaker 3: the Enterprise.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because the fans want to see it, James.
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  Speaker 4: Because we know that's what's supposed to happen.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And there's so much that I think that's what it
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  Speaker 4: becomes when you're in the position that he keeps getting
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  Speaker 4: put in. It's like, well, we know this is going
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  Speaker 4: to be the plot of this movie. So work real
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  Speaker 4: hard to get to that point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you see him like, again, that was, as we've said,
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  Speaker 4: hard enough to do that with Star Trek. But like
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Star Wars is the same thing.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: We're all real kind of bitter about these last movies
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: and it's been a long time and we still have
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: our hopes up for, you know, something new Star Wars.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: So your job is to kind of make it hit
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: all those beats that I want it to hit. But yet,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I don't want it to be so repetitive that it's
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: an exact ripoff of the other one.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: So just somewhere in the middle there, which again, this
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: is not what you expect from somebody who's being super creative.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: No.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Be somewhere in the middle where it doesn't piss off
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: people on either end. Like this is the most corporate
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: plan ever.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Well, the solution, yeah. Somewhere in the middle. Well, his
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: solution is, you know, with the Force Awakens, which again,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I consider maybe his greatest achievement in that respect, although
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: now that I think about it, Rise of Skywalker definitely
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: had even more odds stacked against him.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely have more, but yeah, continue. I want
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: to come back to that one.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say that Force Awakens, though, basically
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: what does he do? He creates a storyline composed of three,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: four arguably, although Poe is a little more of a
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: stock character, but three author self-insert characters, so you get
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: three different kinds of Star Wars fans who get to
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: go on their own Star Wars adventure. And ultimately the
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: goal is to find Luke Skywalker because we've been looking
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: for Luke Skywalker for 30-something years, you know? Essentially it's...
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: And so the movie, the plot.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker is... Star Wars. Yes. It's the Star Wars
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of our childhood.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: We've been looking for this for the last 20 years
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: at least because that last one didn't do it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Just like Star Trek, the movie was the point of
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: the movie even though the plot is completely stupid as
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to how they're trying to get there. The point is
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: simply to put Kirk in command of the Enterprise. So
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: as a result, the movie itself becomes a form. The
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: plot of the film is itself an excuse for the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: film to happen.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: This is the meta pandering element. It's like the point
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of the film is Is to bring us to the
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: point that the fans want us to be in. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: we want to see Kirk in command of the Enterprise.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: We want to go on a wild Star Wars ride
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and have Star Wars wish fulfillment. So we make movies
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: that are actually about fundamentally those things.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I think what we really all want to see is
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Thor in command of the Enterprise.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Which is why we're getting the Thor plus Guardians. Which
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: is possibly coming back now.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I think back, I was like, oh yeah, that did happen,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: didn't it? And this is what I mean about J.J.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Abrams not really having any creativity. It's like he is
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a guy who will look at Star Wars and be like, okay,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: here are the themes of the Star Wars world. Let
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: me tell a story based on those themes. He will
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: be like, okay, let me look at the Star Wars
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: fans in the room and try to suss out what
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: they want. I've seen him in interviews and stuff. He's
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: a really, obviously, really nice guy. He seems.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Super smart.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, seems real smart.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: He knows what he's doing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: And I've seen him in interviews, like in a couple
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: of lines, you know, he can have like other people
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: like eaten out of his hand in terms of like...
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And so he's like the perfect guy to send into
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: a room full of execs who don't understand this Star
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Trek thing, this Star Wars thing. And don't care. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: don't really care.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: How do we, bottom line, make a lot of money?
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: How do we keep this franchise rolling?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And he can walk in and say, let me tell
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you about a mystery box. And that's what it is.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: when i first heard his ted talk about the mystery
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: box i remember thinking to myself and i'm not a
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: great writer i've written uh five bad movies uh uh
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: they're terrible like like i remember my first script i
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: sent it to a friend of mine to read who
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: had written with me before and he said mathematically speaking
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: your next script has to be better So I'm a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: bad– Just playing the odds. Yeah, yeah. That's my whole, quote, career.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: But anyway, so the whole point is that I'm getting
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: at is not that I'm a great writer or can
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: outright anything. What I'm saying is when he was talking
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: about the mystery box, I remember thinking to myself, this
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: guy actually thinks that a marketing tool is in fact
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a writing technique.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Like this is the kind of person that we're talking about.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Again, depending on the type of movie you're trying to make,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: it becomes your script almost.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: So he speaks the producer language that the money understands.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And you know what? He packages what he's doing in
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: such a way that at least for the first few months,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: no one can really tell the difference. But then when
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you go back and you rewatch like a year later,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: you go back and rewatch Force Awakens. I remember talking
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: to friends of mine right after it came out who
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: were like, this movie is better than Return of the Jedi.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Or a friend of mine, I kid you not, she said,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: this movie is better than Star Wars. The original Star Wars.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Force Awakens?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking I've listened to a lot of people online
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: and I've listened to a lot of them rank. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: it is funny how high Force Awakens ends up on
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: that list. And quite often above at least Jedi. It's
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: rare before the first two, but it comes above Jedi
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: on a lot of people's lists.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would go ahead and say, go back
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and rewatch that movie like nine months later. See what
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: your estimate because when you relook at it again, it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: like oh Virtually everything I like about this movie is
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: taken from some.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Is lifted from one of these other three movies Yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: like so that's very far from the original trilogy.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So so there's actually a kind of a category mistake
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: It's like oh, I love this because oh I get
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to see Han and Chewie again.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Oh I love this because I love Star Wars, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: this is made from a bunch of broken pieces of
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: other Star Wars and glued together to make this sort
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: of a plot.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get some new stuff that I also like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: even though actually none of it goes anywhere if you
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: actually look at the movie, and none of it actually...
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Means anything in the context of the movie. Fulfills any
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: function but a plot device or does anything. In other words,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: like the movie itself is kind of garbage. But it
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter because ultimately it ticks these boxes and pushes
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: these buttons. And that's kind of what he does really well.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: None of this has to be an obstacle to having
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a good time at the movies, right? And that's kind
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: of what he is really amazing at. When you look
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: at a movie of his, even going back to something
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: like Super 8. Super 8 is basically a Spielberg ripoff
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: with Cloverfield running around in it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: It's broken pieces of Spielberg movies glued together around the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: outlying Cloverfield idea.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: And guess what?
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: He nails it. Like those scenes where the kids are
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: like yelling at each other and stuff. It's like it
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: feels like a movie in the 1980s or 70s. Like
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: it has that same kind of lived in real feeling
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: to it. So he's got a phenomenal amount of talent,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, though, it's amazing. I mean,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: we could go in depth about what our theories are
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: as to what's going on behind the scenes at Lucasfilm.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: There are plenty of ad nauseum videos about that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But I will say this, is that what certainly seems
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to me to be the case is that he walked
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: into this situation creating, with The Force Awakens, a movie
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: that was ready for whatever came next. Like, that's what
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: was great about that movie in a production angle is
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: that it was a movie. Why does C-3PO have a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: red arm?
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Why? Why? Why?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Where did BB-8 come from? What's Poe's backstory? Who are
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Ray's parents? You know, these questions which turned out to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: be meaningless. It just leaves.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: All of these doors open. And then the problem is
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the handoff there. Yeah. Again, I think Rian Johnson is
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: super talented. I don't love a lot of what goes
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: on in that movie, but I don't totally blame him.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And it was also then suddenly the deck that was
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: once stacked against JJ now shifts over here. And it's like, okay,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: we've got all these questions we want answered. Now you
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: better do it right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: You better do it the way we want. But that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: just it. I don't blame... I mean, on the one hand,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I think JJ... Put in those questions himself. I kid
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you not, this is what I think was actually going
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: on in his head is with the Ray who are
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Ray's parents thing. I really do think that it was
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: basically like, well, I want my assistants to then scour
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the internet for the next six months, pick the most
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: plausible answer according to the nerd blogs, and then we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: going to run with that. Because I'm going to let
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: them do the writing for me. That would make the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: most sense.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: This gets to my main thing that I wanted to
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: get to on the, what are we calling this last one?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Not The Last Jedi.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: What is the.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, Rise of Skywalker. They're all so interchangeable now. The
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Last Skywalker, The Rise of Jedi. The Last Jedi, Skywalker, whatever.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: The Rise of Awakens. The Awakens Rise.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: This last one, and this has become true. I said
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: this on the episode. This has become true of Star
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Wars in general, but definitely this movie more than any.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It is the most... created from fan fallout ever like
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and and the entire that from phantom menace on everything
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: has been affected by fan feedback by by the internet
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: because that's the the early stages of the internet coming
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: together as as he's putting together.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: You like you like boba fett now all of the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: clone troopers are boba fett well i.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Mean that's yeah it's like everything that was super original
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: about phantom menace i don't love but it was original
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: as hell it is george lucas doing whatever the hell
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do And so that one stands on
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: its own as this super original weird thing that nobody
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: doctored with. Maybe more than ever, because even in those
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: first three, he was still kind of fighting with studios.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So, like, that one was funded out of pocket, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: he could do whatever the hell he wanted, and he did.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: So, like, you watch that, and then by the next one,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: he's like, oh, man, people hate Jar Jar. All right, well,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: we'll mostly write him out. They do like Boba Fett.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll make a whole lot of Boba Fetts.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: What else can we do? Sure. So yeah, it's already
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: finding what do people like that aren't going to complain?
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: And then this new movie is just all across the board.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: That's almost the entirety of the plot is like, okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: how do I fix all the things that people hated
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: about Last Jedi? but also bring back around and tie
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: up all the things they loved about the original series
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: and my reboot-ish thing. I need to tie all of the...
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: And it does, really. Again, none of it's original, but
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: it's super good at threading those needles and getting everything
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: to tie together at the end.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that in the same way that
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you can make a train that will run, despite how
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: heinous it might look when you connect all the cars... Uh, yeah, there's,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: there is, yeah, I mean, I, I of course could argue, well, I,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I won't, but you know, people have argued plenty about
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: plot holes and whatever in Rise of Skywalker. I don't,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't really care, uh, about that in that respect. I, because,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you know, like you said, it's kind of a cobbled
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: together mess of a movie, but it's interesting to look
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: at it in that term, in that way as, as
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: sort of the snowball effect of fan backlash and everything interacting.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: With the checklist because watching that and i'm like and
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: i enjoyed it i went back to see it again
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like i'm like there's a lot of things to love
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: about it but i even that first time through i'm
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: just sitting there watching it going oh yeah there he's
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: yeah he's addressing that oh they fixed that okay all
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: right and it's like and it takes the safest easiest
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: that they can which they're all hard but this the
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: most agreeable way that you could fix all these problems like.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: You know um of course it's gonna be the emperor
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: you know it's like of course who will her parents
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: be of course we're back to the emperor like and
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: and as i said then i was like well truthfully
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: to round out this whole saga I mean, the Emperor
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: was there.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Like, the bulk of it. He's the entire, he's the
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: star of the prequels. He's such a heavy feature by
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Jedi that, like, yeah, I mean, I guess to balance
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: things out, he should be back in these movies. So, like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I can't find fault in it on some level. But again,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like, is it the lazy way to do
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: things sometimes? Yeah, kind of. Or at least, again, the
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: safest way. The way I'm not going to get hit
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: with the most backlash. I'm still going to get some.
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: We are about to witness the takeoff of the first
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: manned rocket to outer space.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: We pick up the count.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero! We're off
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: to visit the planet.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: There are treats galore in the stars.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Venus is loaded with candy.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: We're off to visit the planet. And ice cream is
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: found upon Mars. The soda puffs isn't on Saturn. When
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: you're thirsty, it sure hits the spot. And Jupiter's really chomping.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: The popcorn is buttered and hot. But the best of
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: them all is the planet where all of these streets
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: are at hand. And that is the spot we now
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: head for on Theater Refreshment Stand.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: The Meltdown Horror Club presents 20 Ways to Die. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: die is the extra. There's an extra geek on the
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: die right there.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know, when you explained this concept to me, I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: did not pick up on it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: See, and that's why I was like, it's not just horror-themed.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: It's also dorky.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Did you pick up on that? Because I don't want
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: to be the only one here. Puns! We're all about puns!
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: So the.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: The, yeah, the idea I've been toying with anyway, because
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: we always have like our, our, um, before the show
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: conversations weeks ahead of time, we're like, the hell are
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: we going to watch? Which is what all geeks are
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: going through. You're always trying to figure out what you
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: want to watch next. So with us, we're just randomly
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: picking things. Sometimes whatever streaming, sometimes news, sometimes, I don't know, random.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know where some of these have come from.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a few. I question why the hell we watched.
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: It at all.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: But it's just random now, whereas I was like, what
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: if we came up with a system or a process?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And that way, number one, it would take it out
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: of our hands most of the time. We can still,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: you know, throw in a specific one if we have
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: a reason to. So the die gimmick is we're going
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: to have a 20-sided die for all the extra bonus
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: points of geekery out there. And then assign a horror
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: movie to each of those sides. And then, at the
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: end of each episode, we can roll the dice. Die,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: if you will. And tell you what the next movie
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: is that comes up on the list. And then the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Horror Club tie-in is that we're going to do a
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: promo right now. We're trying to get people on board anyway,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: as previously stated. So, we'll say we're trying to get
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: 20 new people on board.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: For the next 20 people that come on board at
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: any level, I'm thinking down the line it might be
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a little higher up on the tiers, but for right now,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: intro promo, the next 20 people that come on board
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: at any level, starting at $ 2, you can come on,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: you can put a horror movie on the list, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: then it will be in the running every time we
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: roll the dice. Yours might be next on the list.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: So that's our fun new, I don't know if it's
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: a game, process.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Pick movies for us. Please. Please, yes.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: And you can, again, I was checking with them. I'm like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: you guys are willing to watch.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Whatever, right?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Because this could be a terrible idea, really. God knows
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: what they could pick for us to watch.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: We could see some great stuff that we never would
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: have known about.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Or some bad stuff. That's kind of what I want
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: to put. If we're going to have the fine print
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: on this, I kind of don't want... super mainstream, giant movie.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I'm like, don't pick Halloween. Don't pick Candyman. Don't pick
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: stuff that every horror fan's already seen. Find something that
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: most people haven't heard of or find something that you
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: love but never really got a big reception from anyone else.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I think that would be a more interesting way is
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: to get a lot of weird random movies and stuff
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: that we probably on our own wouldn't have come across.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: That's another good way to get new input from other
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: people and different stuff on the list. So that's, yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I say number one, don't pick big mainstream horror movies
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: that everybody's already heard of and has seen. Just pick
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: some random horror movies that you like personally, put them
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: on the list, and then we'll work them in.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That's our plan.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: That's what we're going with.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: 20 Ways to Die.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: So go to MovieMeltdown.com, click on the Horror Club link
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: on the right side of the page, and join the club.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: With your help, we can keep this 20-sided die rolling.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Hey, this is Kirk R. Thatcher, the punk on the
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: bus in Star Trek 4.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: First of all, I hate you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: Secondly, you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. And now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: on with the show.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Well, this is one of the reasons why, and building
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: off of what you just said, this is one of
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the reasons why I don't want to get into the
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: politics of Lucasfilm or any of that stuff, as though
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I could know. Partly because, as far as I could, yeah,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: nobody really knows. But I will say that what seems
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: to me, though, is that they started this whole project,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the whole new trilogy, with this kind of interesting setup,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: which was, you know what? Like George Lucas, who wrote
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: the first movie independently, like he had backstory and things
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: like that, but ultimately it was kind of open-ended. He
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: wrote this movie and he had no idea where the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: series was going to go or blah, blah, blah. We're
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: just going to tell this one big story, right? And
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: then it grew and grew and grew in the telling
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: over the next couple of movies. In a similar way,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and I wonder who is responsible for this ultimately. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: kind of suspect J.J. might have been responsible.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: For saying, listen, you know, okay, let's do the same thing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Let's make a movie. And leave it kind of open-ended.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: We'll sketch out some stuff maybe for the later movies
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: because I hear he had like versions of scripts.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: For those movies.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: But, you know, we're going to hand each one to
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: a new director who will also be essentially have final
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: cut on this movie, right? And then the first thing
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: they did was hand it to Rian Johnson who kind
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: of blew up a lot of those plans. And in
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: what some might consider a revolutionary way, others might consider
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: a stupid way. And personally, speaking as someone who didn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: really care much about whatever had been set up in
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: The Force Awakens to begin with, ultimately, I don't really
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: care that he blew up the script for whatever was
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: going to come next. But that's the door that J.J.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: decided or whoever decided to open. And that's a very
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: interesting way to handle one of the biggest properties. A
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: lot of people criticize them for not having a plan
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: like the MCU supposedly did, as though when they created
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Iron Man... Yeah, they had every intention of making Guardians
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of the Galaxy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: They had all the next decade planned out. Each individual
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: movie was already written.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nonsense. That's nonsense. But what's obviously clear is
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: that you did have some creators who weren't really playing
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: ball with each other. However you want to view that
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And whether there's a political thing behind that
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: at the... At the core level, either way, it's clear
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that when JJ comes back to Rise of Skywalker, that's cleanup, right?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: We need the one guy we know who can deliver
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: a product that's going to somehow satisfy most of these people.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And this is the guy we know to do it. Nevertheless, though,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I really do applaud them for being willing, at least,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: even though, again, I think I tend to view this
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: kind of cynically of like, well, we've got this mystery
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: box and we want different people to spin it off
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: in different directions, create more mystery boxes, you know, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: things like that. But nevertheless, I do want to commend
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: them for at least having that openness for the first step.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: You know, and I do appreciate that. However, the trilogy
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: turned out. And like I said, I think it's bad.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's very good. But, you know, one
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: thing I don't like, though, is that people have come
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: out of this whole experience. You know, it's really kind
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: of sad in a way that I've never seen so
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: much negativity on behalf of people who loved property.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Like, I've seen negativity in the fans of Star Wars
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: who want to, say, hate on the prequels, right?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: They want to negate the prequels. And I've grown up
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: being one of those people. And I've also grown up
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: being a negative fan in many ways myself. And now,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: my older, more wiser years, I kind of want to
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: look at it and say, what saddens me about this
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: situation is I find people who want to defend The
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Last Jedi or defend Rise of Skywalker. And in doing so,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: they want to attack Star Wars. the classical trilogy. They
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: want to attack the prequels. They want to say, those
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: movies weren't really that good. They were filled with errors,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: you know, blah, blah, blah. Or they want to attack
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: people who don't like the new movies and say, you
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: just hate everything and don't really love Star Wars. And
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I want to say, I don't ever want to live
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: in a world where people go to a Star Wars
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: movie and have a bad time. Like, you know, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: think that's a really sad thing, right?
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And so I don't, like, in the end, whether or
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: not J.J. Abrams has any creativity whether or not like
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: like the new trilogy works or doesn't whether or not
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in nine months they're actually going to try to write
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the entire new trilogy out of continuity which you know
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: god knows might even happen who knows who cares ultimately
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: i just want people to enjoy seeing star wars i
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: enjoy star wars i really want other people to love
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: star wars and i hope that that that that would
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: be my biggest hope carrying forward is that that people
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: aren't just soured on star wars or don't Or it
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: doesn't get so weighted down by this back and forth
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: of like, what should it be? What shouldn't it be? Blah, blah, blah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: That no one ever feels again the creative power that
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: people felt in the 90s when they were making the
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: expanded universe and everything. To like take it, step into
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: this world with some confidence and make it their own.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And that's what I hope for the future.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think we've seen the most promising
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: thing maybe since at least Force Awakens, if not. i
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: don't know going back to jedi like we the most
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: promising thing that's happened at all is taking all like
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: okay you guys fight back and forth over and over
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and that's what's funny it's like since force awakens we
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: haven't had a movie go smoothly at all including the
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: two offshoots yeah like we've had someone else had to
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: come in and finish both of those kind of yeah
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: definitely that the solo but like even even rogue one
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: had a lot of reshoots oh by the way side
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: note on that like rogue one i've heard that the
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: guy actually reshot half the movie, which is why a
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: lot of the trailer stuff isn't in the movie. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I will say, Rogue One is... I'm one of those
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: people who think Rogue One is the closest thing to
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: the original trilogy that we have. It's actually the best
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Star Wars movie to come out since the original trilogy.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And I will say it is actually a great example
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: of that thing that I'm talking about, because like Wrath
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: of Khan, which was made by someone who had never
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: seen Star Trek, who sat down and just watched the
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: original series back-to-back and, you know, was like, all right, well,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do one of these, sure.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to, you know, Nicholas Ray, I believe,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and he watched it all and he was like, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to change all the uniforms. I'm going
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: to do all this really differently, blah, blah, blah. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: you know what? He created the greatest Star Trek movie
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: of all time because he just kind of got it. Likewise,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: the director of Rogue One, another example, wasn't a Star
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Wars fan, called in at the last minute to sort
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of fix this, and his answer was, well, I get
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: war movies. I know how to make a war movie.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Let's do that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Let's do that. And let's do it. And you know what?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I think he managed to demonstrate again that like, it's
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: not that big of a deal, right? Uh, like you
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: can in fact make stories in this universe, like right without,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: which is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: What we should be doing, which is kind of what
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I was saying. Like the most promising thing now is
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: we take all of the, the fighting back and forth
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: between the offshoot movies, between the Skywalker trilogy, uh, It's
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: all getting passed back and forth between JJ and whoever
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: else that week is getting kicked out as director. And then,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: because seriously, it's changed hands, what, three, four different times?
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: It's definitely once you work in the offshoot movies. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: then completely out of that fight, off to the side,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: you've got people working on this little TV series. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: everything about it is so steeped in Star Wars. It
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: is so... people who love that series and love the
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: original and everything about it and were just like but
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: let's not you know do exactly the same stuff we've
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: already seen and let's not go out of our way
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: to cause problems with things we've read like let's just
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: tell our own story that again let's not try too
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: hard let's take basic stories like kind of like Lucas
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: did from the beginning let's take westerns let's take samurai
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: movies and just kind of tell these stories in the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: world of Star Wars and Every piece of the Mandalorian
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: is just made with love by all these people. But
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: it's not overwhelming. Everything that they tie in... And watching
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: that series they did about it, it's like you see
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Favreau going, okay, yeah, you guys take all the big
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: players and you make all this important stuff. I'm going
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: to take the character guy over here and turn him
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: into an awesome character and invest time in creating actual
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: dialogue and stuff.
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: And then.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: The hell you say.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: The hell I say. It became a decent, watchable, fun,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: awesome thing. And I'm like, watching that whole season again,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I was just like, this is what we needed all along.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: And everybody else was so caught up in the other bullshit.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Whereas silently over here in a domed studio, Favreau sitting
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: over there bringing in these great directors, pulling in good writers,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: and like just... Understating everything.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: But completely immersing you in the Star Wars universe that
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: you've wanted the entire time.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of, I remember being sent off to
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: summer camp, which I hated when I was a little kid.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: And I had in my backpack with me, because I
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: was that kid, I had the Star Trek encyclopedia. And
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I had a collection of expanded universe novels that I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: read and reread until they fell apart. And one of
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: those was Tales of the Bounty Hunters. And the other
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: was Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina. And this show is
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: a great example of both of those. Where, you know what,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: we're just going to grab these characters you see for
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: like a second. And we're going to spin out this
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: whole backstory that is just designed to give texture and
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: flavor and all that to the Star Wars universe. And,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you know, that's it. You're exactly right. The Mandalorian... There
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: are people who criticize various elements of it. I think
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: there's plenty of that that can go around. But here's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: what the Mandalorian demonstrates, which we so sorely needed and
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: what you're alluding to, which is it's not that hard
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to actually, to write a good Star Wars story.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Because don't try so hard. Like, they're trying so hard. Like,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Last Jedi is just like, I'm.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Gonna screw everything up! Ha ha ha ha!
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: And then he's like, no, no, wait, I'll fix everything!
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: Hold on!
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: And, like, the stakes are so high! And then Mandalorian's
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: just like, I don't know, he, like, goes in a
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: bar and punches a guy and shoots some people and, like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: people like that, right?
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Well, when you got a character who says, I am
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: all the Sith, and another that says, and I am
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: all the Jedi.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Psh!
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and, like, that's, you know, the big climax of
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: the nine-movie series, yeah, that you've been telling. Which you
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: thought was about this, you know. Well, anyway, I'm not
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: going to even go into that. But the point is that, yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: The Mandalorian demonstrates that it actually turns out that any
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: halfway decent writer who is told, like, okay, I want
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: you to go watch some Sergio Leone movies and then
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: go make me a story about a bounty hunter on
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: an alien planet, like, turns out that that... isn't actually
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: that hard. Like, I mean, you're not going to bat
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: a thousand every single time, but you know what? You
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: can tell a pretty damn good story.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is the basic thing Lucas did.
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I took those things. I took those elements. I took
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: a samurai movie that I liked and I crammed in
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: some old serials and I didn't, again, a guy who's
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: not known for great dialogue. So like, we weren't relying
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: on that. Luckily got some good actors and was like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: I pieced together this thing. It's really fun.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: It's a kid in the 1970s who's trying to tell
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: a story using all of the action figures he has.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Like he's got the alien looking ones. He's got the
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: cowboy looking ones. He's got like the robot looking ones.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: And he's like, okay, well, I want to use all
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: of these in some sort of big story. And that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: what you wind up with. It's that kid in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: 1970s with the toy box feeling of like, I am
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: telling a story that, yeah, it's pretty clearly built on
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: other stories I've seen on late night TV, I assume.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Built with all these wild and crazy characters that feels
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: like you exist in this totally other world. And that
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: sense of being transported is so powerful and palpable in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Star Wars. And that's what I hear people feel with
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: The Mandalorian. And, you know, that, again, gives me hope.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: It gives me hope for the future that people will
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: continue to fulfill the purpose of science fiction and fantasy
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: and tap into something that is a little bit beyond
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: where we thought we were, you know?
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I think that's what was so drastically different with Star Wars.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: It's like we'd had tons of sci-fi before that. But
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Star Wars was something that really did feel like it
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: was cobbled together from other things. But it was... Again,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: it's not trying to be the biggest story in the world. Granted,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: we get to the point of it's the rebellion and
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: they're going to blow up worlds. We set the stakes
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: a little higher. But the parts that people loved and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the parts that seemed revolutionary... is hanging out in the
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: bar yeah and it's like the bar is the again
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: the most working class version of sci-fi it's it's just
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: a bunch of random freaks from uh every horror movie
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: you've seen growing up as a kid just the wolf
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: man hanging out at the bar having a drink and
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: these weirdos over here you know playing in a band
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: and like it's it's all of that level that's like
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: so ground level yeah That, like, that's what.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: People are like, whoa. Your droid has to wait outside.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Obviously, we still need a little racism. That's what the
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: world has proven.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, it's like all of that felt so different
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: from what we'd seen before. And, again, it's not massively original.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: It's just nobody had done it that way before. And
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I think that's finally what, hopefully, at least Jon Favreau
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: and the crew understand is, But we've been fighting it
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: in the films for so long now that, yeah, it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: nice to see somebody take that approach again and bring
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: it full circle almost.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in our cycle of watching Star Wars movies, we
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: got through all the prequels and we just got to
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: A New Hope the other night. And I remember watching
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that and just thinking how interesting it is that Luke Skywalker,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a kid growing up on a planet that is all
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: desert with these things called sand people and Jawas and
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: everything like that, who stares into Tucson setting, you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: and everything like that. He's a moisture farmer, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: like he, he operates these machines all day that just
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: collect water. Like that's what they do. Um, yet somehow
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: his struggle and his desire to get off this rock,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: you know, and all that stuff seems so perfectly relatable,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: you know, and his, and his frustration at the quotidian
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: nature of his life.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I got to take the sentient robots back to the
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: garage and, Clean them up, you know, blah, blah, blah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: you know, before going coming into dinner for my blue milk.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Like somehow that that sense of this this completely other
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: universe that is so totally lived in and familiar at
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the same time. You're right. It's it's it. That's what
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: is revolutionary about Star Wars. And I think that's one
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: of the things that keeps people coming back. It is
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a world that we know.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: That's what struck us as those little kids sitting there
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: watching it. Again, most other sci-fi movies before that, everything
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: was very grandiose. Look at this great spaceship. Look at
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: this giant battle. But this is like, okay, this is
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: my dream. That dude has two robots. And he gets
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: to hang out with them.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, God. All right, I'll go clean you.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Come on, damn it. It is the most boring, lame
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: thing in his life.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: There's that line in Futurama where I think is the
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: first episode where Bender says to Frye, says, would you
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: really want a robot friend? And Fry says, ever since
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I was eight.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like that. It takes the thing that we
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: think is so awesome, and it completely downplays it. It's
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: just like, ugh, this is the most boring, run-of-the-mill bullshit
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I have to do, day in and day out. I
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: just want to get the hell out of here. Like, no, no,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: you've got the greatest stuff right there. Look at your Skyhopper,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: damn it. You could be flying around. You could land
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: speeding across and go pick up your batteries.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Your power converters. Go into Tosche Station and pick up
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: some power converters. Put them in your jam box. Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: So that the girls won't think you're wormy.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Put on your Gilligan hat and pick up some girls, wormy.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, and that carries right on through to
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: this great moment, that great moment in Return of the
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Jedi where C-3PO turns out as a great storyteller telling
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the story to The family of Ewoks, you know, and
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: they're all just kind of hanging out and Luke goes
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: to talk to who it turns out is his sister,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: you know, about everything that's going on. But when you
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: look at the new movies, you know, they're all big
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: ticket item stuff.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: You know, aside from a couple of literal asides where
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: you get to see other people and more quotidian affairs
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: like the little frog nuns that take care of Luke's island,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: you know, things like that. There's really nothing that any
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: of these characters, aside from, I will give credit to
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: JJ Abrams, there's that little tidbit about Rey at the
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: beginning where we sort of see her life, right? Where
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: she has no friends and is a hermit and lives
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: only for this one thing that she does for food
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: and in no way interacts with anything outside of that sphere,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: which is kind of narrow, but nevertheless it's a sense
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: of a life that she's living. But mostly the stories
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: just have nothing to do with any ordinary people doing
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: anything normal ever. Everything is huge.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's the through line. Like, that's the one
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: core of the whole new trilogy that is really solid
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and I think is great. Oh. And it, Rey is
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: an amazing character. Like, that came out of this cobbled
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: together with a bunch of other stuff from other people's movies,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: but somehow in the middle of that, there's this really
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: kind of original character and one that's, so well developed
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: without again without being overwritten like she doesn't give lots
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: of speeches but like just in what you see her
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: do and how like committed she is throughout the movies
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: that bounce back and forth through a different director and
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: different rewrites and like somehow that character stays true all
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: the way through like as much as i don't like
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of the other stuff going on on the
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: side sometimes i really like her character all the way
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: through this new trilogy and i think it it's, it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: what makes me that. And I do like Kylo. I
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: think both of those two have stayed pretty solid throughout
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: it and have had some sort of arc where everything
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: else you can give me, you can take it or
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: leave it most of it. But yeah, with that, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: think is the one thing that, that is impressive that
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: came out of this was raise a great character. Again,
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: lucked into finding or went through 10 billion actresses and
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: found the right girl to step up and do it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: And like it, really brought together like this again the
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: one thing i think that carries that through and that
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: inspires all these kids and specifically little girls to like
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: go like i want to be the action hero in
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: my movie and like she really again like that that
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: initial story seeing her and then how much of a
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: strong character she is throughout these next two movies like
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: i think that's the takeaway from all of those.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Um, well, I don't share that view. Uh, I don't really, yeah,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not going to try to poop on.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: That, but, uh, again, I want to hear, but that's,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: that's what I keep coming back to. That's the one
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: thing that will make me want to rewatch these.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Well, put it this way. I'm glad that was your experience.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I don't really like those characters. I think they, I
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: disagree with that, but with that said, I'll pull back
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: from that. Cause I don't find my disagreement to be
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: all that interesting. There are plenty of videos and all
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: kinds of things that can tell you all about why
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Ray or Kylo works or doesn't work as a character.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I won't delve into that, but I will say this,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: is that I think Daisy Ridley absolutely has presence, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I think she is a fine young actor who's budding
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: in her career, and I think that Adam Driver and
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Oscar Isaacs and John Boyega are going to go down.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know about Daisy Ridley yet, because unlike you,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I found Ray quite slight, and I feel like it
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily show off her range pretty dramatically, but I
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: will say that John Boyega, Oscar Isaacs, and Adam Driver
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: are probably going to go down as three of the
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: greatest actors of their generation. Adam Driver gives absolutely everything
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: he has to everything that I've ever seen him in.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: And I'm always just floored by him and his performance.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Those people brought so much to the table in trying
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: to make these movies work. And so one thing that
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I'm grateful for is I don't think it's going to
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: harm any of their careers if all of these movies
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: get shelved in the future. And I look forward to
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: seeing Daisy Ridley again. I think she's in Knives Out,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: which I haven't watched yet, isn't she? Am I mistaken there? No.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: There is another new one that just came out.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: She's in something. But I want to see.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: The murder on the Orient Express.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw her in that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe the only other thing.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I saw her in that.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: And again, she doesn't have much to do.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: No, she doesn't really.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: I think she's got so much more potential.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: She does. She does.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: We haven't seen anything outside of Star Wars.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I believe that. Like I say, I haven't seen her
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: in a movie that I felt really challenged her dramatically.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: But she does have a similar quality to Mark Hamill,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: which is that she can communicate a lot more in
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: a look. Then many people can communicate in a line.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: But I will say this is that is that, yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: like them, you mentioned before, Rian Johnson being a genius.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: And I will say this. Yeah, I think Last Jedi.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I think that later on, people will look back at
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: the Last Jedi and find that kind of baffling in
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: his career because I. I do actually think Last Jedi
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: is a legitimately bad film. I think it's like a
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: genuinely terrible movie.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: It's just missing essential pieces that I know he's a
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: better filmmaker. So I don't even know how it got
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: to that point.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Well, however it is bad or however it succeeds, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: will say that when I first watched a Rian Johnson film,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: it was brick. And I thought that was a work
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: of genius.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: It still may be his greatest accomplishment.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: It is so good. Well, and then I saw Looper,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: and I thought Looper was so good.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: And so I'm like, when I hear he's directing a
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Star Wars movie, I'm like, okay, well, I'm quite curious.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: And then I saw it. Well, I'm going to see
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Knives Out. I bet you, dollars to donuts, that movie
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: is going to floor me. I bet you it's going
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: to be great. It's amazing.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: And again, playing with a premise that we all kind
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: of know and have seen before.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: But finding a really cool way to put a twist
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: on it, but not in a cheesy, oh, and it's
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: a twist. It's just a different perspective, more or less,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: of something that we've kind of seen a million times
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: over the years. But it finds a way to make
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: it a new version of that. Yeah.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Well, and I trust that he will continue to do that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I think he's a very talented guy. I think, though,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: that his heart must just be in a very particular
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: kind of filmmaking. And that's also fine. Like, I would
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: not go to George Lucas necessarily and be like, hey,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: George Lucas, I've got this really great murder mystery movie.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: That all takes place in a single locker room.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Radio land murders?
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll do it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and not to say that he couldn't.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, you know, I don't see from
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: his talents, like, where, like, plotting and dialogue and character are, like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: really his strong suits all the time. despite his status
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: as a visionary in other respects. So yeah, I look
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: at Rian Johnson. I don't think that The Last Jedi
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: is going to hold him back at all. It's going
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: to be a feather in his cap, I think. And
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: he's going to take the millions of dollars he made
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: and he's going to go on and make a lot
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: more better movies. That's what I hope comes from this.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Because that's what also kind of rang through of Knives Out.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: It feels like he really... had the run of things
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: where i do not think he ever did with last
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: jedi so like i feel like this is one that
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: even for as as weird a plotted story as it
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: is and as many big names as they brought on
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: usually that would bring in a ton of people wanting
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: to overly control everything and suck the life out of
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: it yeah it doesn't feel like they did that it
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: really feels like this was my overarching vision i made
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: this plot come together i found these great actors and
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: i it all just worked because nobody interfered with it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I think that's what he needs. It's like, if he lets,
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: you know, if people will just kind of let him
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: do what he wants to do without interfering, I think
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: he can put together some great films, but yeah, I
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: think we didn't get that chance with last Jedi.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and, and I, I, I don't know.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I suspect that he had a pretty free hand on
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: last Jedi, but again, I'm not really like, Whatever the
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: situation was, I'm willing to sort of say, like, as
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: someone who really doesn't like that film and really doesn't
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: like the new trilogy, I'm willing to still step out
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: on a limb and say, I think Rian Johnson's a
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: great director and he's going to direct great stuff.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Whatever happened with Last Jedi, whether it was, as some
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: internet commentators no doubt say, a massive ecstasy. and far
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: too little talent, you know, and so on and so forth.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Or whether it was just, you know, a guy who
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: really thought he kind of had a handle on this
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: material that he really wasn't really well suited for or
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: anything like that. I don't really care. Point is, is
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: that I'm just glad to know that he's going to
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: go straight back to making the kind of movies he
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: likes making and he's good at making. And guess what?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Daisy Ridley and John Boyega, who is phenomenally talented, and
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Oscar Isaacs and Adam Driver, who are proven talents, like
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: all of those guys, like all of those people, you know,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: they are going to continue making films and this will
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: not hold them back. And that makes me happy. Uh,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: also I do feel a need to shout out to,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I'm really blanking on his name and I feel bad
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: about this. Uh, the guy who plays, uh, uh, uh,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: general Hawks. Uh, he's the son of, he's the son of,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Oh dear. Uh, an actor that I am fond of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: an Irish actor. Uh, help me out. Uh, he probably
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: has maybe suffered the most from these movies in terms,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: just because Hux was a character that just got so
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: gutted in so many different reiterations of the script. Like he,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: like he, he gets, he starts off strong in the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: first movie.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Domino Gleason. Yes. Yes.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Domino Gleason. Uh, it was Brendan Gleason's son, if I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: recall correctly. And, Between this and Peter Rabbit, I don't know, man.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: That's the one I don't know.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: That I can forgive him for. It was like, didn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: we suffer enough?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Now there's a two?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's his fault. I think that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: they just gave him a character that turned out to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: be the whipping boy of the cutting room floor. He
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: was just put in a bad situation.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: I feel like he didn't suffer that much because he
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem like he's worried about it. More than most
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: in the movie, I feel like is the one that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: showed him went... all right, well, what are we dialing
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: this to 11? Hell yeah, let's go. Like he has
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: no problem just having fun with it. Even if it's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: like making his character look ridiculous, like he does not
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: hold back.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'm sure that he, you know, I mean,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: it's rare that, that actors, you know, and their kids
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: or whatever, turn out to be as good actors or whatever. Like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a, it's a rare talent to capture.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Brendan Gleeson is a superior actor, you know, but I'm
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: sure that having, uh, And that's, by the way, not
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: to say that Domhnall Gleeson is inferior or whatever like that.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying he hasn't really had a whole lot
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: of time to establish himself, at least not to me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure that it's beneficial to have your dad
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: who basically is like, listen, son, I made some turkeys,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's fine. Just keep going, you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: just keep doing it. And again, all of these people,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: lest we forget, were paid millions of dollars to do
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: all of this. So I don't, yeah, I don't feel...
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like there's a lot of pain walking
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: away from doing the worst Star Wars movies ever made.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, from my standpoint.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Between that trilogy and the two Peter Rabbits, I'm assuming
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: his house is covered now. He can just coast for
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: the rest of his career and hopefully make cool little
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: weird small.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: There was that great line, I forget.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: I was trying to get the title. Have you seen
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: About Time?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: He is so good in it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: And again, plays so strong on the guy he really
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: seems to be. That seems so much closer than this
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: crazy over-the-top Hux character.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: The movie made me cry. Bill Nighy, you do it
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: every time, you bastard.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: And to be about... In theory, time travel. But to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: be so not really about time travel, or at least
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: that's such a footnote compared to what's going on in
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: most of the scenes. That is one of those that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to see you keep making that stuff.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: So if making huge, big budget, dumb kids movies, whatever
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: it is, allows you to make a few of these
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: along the way, then keep on doing that.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Well, and I forget, I think I know, I think
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: it was Michael Caine. He was in some movie that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: was just really terrible at some point. This is a
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: quote I heard of his once. It might not actually
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: be him, but I think it is. Anyway, and he
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: was like a sci-fi movie or something like that. Well,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: just assume it's Jaws 4 and we'll call it. Right, yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: one of his interviewers is like asking him like questions
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: about the movie. And Michael Caine is just, you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: doing in that way. He does just like, Oh, I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: don't know, you know, like whatever, like blah, blah, blah.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: He clearly just doesn't know, just doesn't know some of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: the details of the movie or how the plot works or, and,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: and finally the interviewer goes, did you see, did you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: even see the film?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, and he said, I don't have to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: watch these things.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: And he said, no, but I saw the house. It
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  Speaker 3: bought me in Spain. Exactly. and so i mean sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that that level of honesty and like they're
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  Speaker 4: still they're working they're people trying to get by in
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  Speaker 4: life this is a job of them end up being
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  Speaker 4: millionaires but not always there's a lot of actors you
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  Speaker 4: can be the struggling so you can.
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  Speaker 3: Be the best barista in the world you're still gonna
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  Speaker 3: make a bad latte you know like here and there
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  Speaker 3: i mean it's just it's just a thing that happens
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  Speaker 3: so like i just don't I don't know. Like I, I,
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  Speaker 3: on the one hand, I don't really feel a need
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  Speaker 3: to like put on kid gloves when going at these movies.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I'm hurting people's feelings as they're sitting
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  Speaker 3: in their homes in Spain.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Also, you know, you and me, we're a couple of
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  Speaker 3: nerds having the nerd talk that millions of nerds, this is, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is what our kind does and that's fine. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but at the same time, like, you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: grateful that like whatever is wrong with this thing, guess what?
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's going to move on. There are lots of things wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But hopefully that will serve as a corrective rather than
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  Speaker 3: an encouragement to whatever excesses the industry is in the
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  Speaker 3: midst of right now, as we exist in Studio System 2.0,
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  Speaker 3: which is where we are right now in the film industry.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we kind of don't know where we're
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  Speaker 4: going in the future. Like, we're barely getting back to
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  Speaker 4: things even happening, or maybe not. They're still potentially canceling
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  Speaker 4: every movie for the rest of the year at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Even release-wise, let alone making new stuff. So, yeah, we're...
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  Speaker 4: We're really uncertain about.
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  Speaker 3: The future of film. I'd better get to see Dune
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  Speaker 3: at Christmas, though. By God.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Damn it, I just want to see Black Widow kick
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  Speaker 4: people in the head.
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  Speaker 3: Is it too much to ask? In that incredible gyroscopic
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: way that she moves. Oh, yeah. She's magic. But seriously, though,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I hear that movie's going to be really fun. I'm
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: really looking forward to it. I think it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a shame in a way that it's coming. I mean,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: everyone's saying, oh, Johnny come lately, or Jenny come lately,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: as the case may be. but yeah we'll see and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: hopefully we will see soon before the.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Years at some point we will see I've seen the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: trailer it exists in some format Captain Russia so yeah
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: we'll have to figure out when all these things come
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: together and what the future holds for all of us Well,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: I say that's our wrap-up of Star Wars and JJ
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  Speaker 4: and all of these things that have come together. Unless
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: you have anything else you want to add. I think
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: we fixed it, is what it is. All of the
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  Speaker 4: problems there, we took care of in this one episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that wasn't even the most in-depth we could
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  Speaker 3: have gone.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: No, we pulled back a little bit. But once we
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  Speaker 4: were rolling, I figured we better just get all this out.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars.
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  Speaker 4: I bet you've never heard anybody talk about it before.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. It's this wild new thing. And guess what?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: We're people with opinions about it. And we are sure
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: that you haven't heard enough of those.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: But thank you for going on this little journey and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: listening to us ramble about that thing that you've probably
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: heard a lot about before.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of which, do you have any writers or
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: content creators or anything who delve into Star Wars that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: you might recommend as guides to people who want to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: think more deeply about these things?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Like other random people on the Internet?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that. Just, you know, because I think
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: both of us come at this with a pretty big
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: backlog of stuff. And some listeners might like to, you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: know who we maybe get some of our get some
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: of our thinking or influence some of our thinking.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Go too far I mean again I've invested so much
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: time and rambling about Star Wars myself I don't I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: don't seek out much more except the one thing that
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: I have continually been listening to and that covers so
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: much that I don't really feel like I need to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: get much more I from well within the first movie
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: anyway almost from the very beginning Star Wars Minute is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: a pretty impressive mostly just because it's fun and kind of,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: it is easy to listen to, and they don't, like,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: they enjoy Star Wars, and they, again, have opinions, but
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: aren't so dead set, and it's not people arguing the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: whole time, it's even when varying opinions are there, it's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: just sort of pointing, it's what I end up doing
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: with most of my discussions, which is like, huh, this
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: is a weird thing. Anyway, moving on, I still love
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Star Wars, so it's like, even when it's weird issues
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: along the way, it's just like, But, you know, in
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: the end, we love Star Wars or we wouldn't be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: talking about it so much. So, yeah, that one has
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: been a lot of fun over the years. And they've
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: slowly been going, slowly, it literally is minute by minute
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: throughout every Star Wars movie. So it's as in-depth as
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: you can go on a movie, I'm assuming. Yeah. So
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: that's been a lot of fun. So I enjoy that.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: And both of the guys that host it are really good.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Star Wars Minute. Star Wars Minute. Yeah, I get some
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: information from Midnight's Edge about, like, background nerd stuff, and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: nerd Roddick also talks about that stuff. Uh, Thor Skywalker. Uh, and, uh, but, but, uh,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: I would say that the, probably the, the, you know,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: in that similar vein, uh, one guy that if you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: have a worst enemy and lack something to wish upon them, uh,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: check out, uh, the guy Mauler, uh, M A U
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: L E R. Uh, he's got a series on, uh,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: all the problems in the last Jedi, like just plot
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: holes and, you know, various issues with the movie. And
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: he's done, he's doing a series on the force awakens, uh,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: and everything. And it's like multiple hours long, et cetera,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And I gotta say, I mean, like if anyone, like, like,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: like I can't, I'm, I'm not a person who's like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: going to come after like people and be like, no,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: the last Jedi is brilliant and you don't understand. But, uh, like,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: like it is, it is a similar thing in the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: sense of like, if, if you do have someone in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: your life, who is constantly trying to explain to you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: why these movies you don't enjoy are in fact brilliant,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: and that person is your worst enemy, go send them
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Mueller's extensive breakdown of the various problems. But seriously, he's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: got a pretty fun channel with some pretty great reviews
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: of older movies and things like that, like what makes
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Blade Runner so great, you know, and things like that. So,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: you know, even if you're not a massive troll, there's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: still stuff to be enjoyed there. So anyway, oh, oh,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: last but not least, The Critical Drinker. That's all I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: say as I clink the glass in my drink.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: So there, in our downtime, as we, you know, this
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: whole year put a nice time stamp on it. Not
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: that all the episodes don't exist in the time that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: they're recorded, but more so than any, this year has
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: been very of its time in the world we're stuck
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: in right now. So on your downtime, when you obviously
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: can't do the things you used to do or want
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: to do or any of that, or looking for new
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: content that may not be coming out, So yeah, this
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: gives you some, you're still a Star Wars geek potentially.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: So maybe this is some avenues to head down that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: maybe you weren't familiar with. And I'm sure we'll be
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: back to argue about Star Wars more in the very
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: near future. Because when do we go more than a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: week or two without getting into another one of these
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: geeky conversations?
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  Speaker 3: You suck, Brian, and all your opinions about Star Wars
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: are wrong.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Thank you, every Star Wars fan.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know what happened. It was like,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: In that moment, I was all the Star Wars fans.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: I am all the Star Wars fans. Let's fight. Oh,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: welcome to the internet. All right. Welcome to and rounding
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: it out. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
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  Speaker 4: next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 3: You push hard, you stop my.
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  Speaker 8: Circulation I know you really need a physical relation We
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: may not be the perfect combination You need your love,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: I need my mental stimulation I'm not there to defend
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: my reputation Well, that don't mean that there's no real
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: negotiation Take a long look This could be privacy invasion
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: What makes you think.
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  Speaker 3: You've got that fascination? I need some space Come back.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Some other time and place I need some more.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Spend some and some.
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  Speaker 8: I know you've been with anticipation Hold on, here comes
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: your education Make sure it's love, not just infatuation Tell
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: me why you always lead me to that destination.
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  Speaker 2: I need some space.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, oh.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 8: You push hard, you stop my circulation I know you
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: really need a physical relation We may not be.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: The perfect combination.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: You need love, I need my stimulation I need some.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Space Come back some other time and place I need
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: some more.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Space I need some.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 9: Some space, oh, oh Come back some other time and
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  Speaker 4: More space, I need some.
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  Speaker 3: As much as one could argue that all elements of
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: our society are caught up in a cultural revolution or
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: something that needs to happen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we're here to talk
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: about Star Wars... and talk about battle movies and bad
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: new movies and good new movies and ultimately like you
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  Speaker 3: should be able to do that without necessarily.
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