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Hoggard's brutally honest England review 'Need a complete rethink of how we play Test Cricket!' · The Follow-On

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets Podcast
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  Speaker 1: the following. My name is Courtney Olshrom, a senior journalists
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  Speaker 1: based in Melbourne. Really delighted to have Matthew Hoggart, a
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven Test fitterm for England took two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty eight wickets and was a memory that's starr in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five team that won the Ashes join
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  Speaker 1: us again. We had had a ball the last simme around.
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  Speaker 1: But the last time around, Matt there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of optimism about what was two unfold.
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  Speaker 2: That we're doomed captain and redoomed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as you say first time around, lots of optimism
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  Speaker 3: and lots of lots of yes, we've got a brilliant
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  Speaker 3: chance in this ashy series. And then two games later,
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  Speaker 3: I can't say two tests. I think two games might
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  Speaker 3: be the better way put in it. We're very much
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  Speaker 3: behind the eight ball.
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  Speaker 1: Six days in two down. It has to become the
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  Speaker 1: first team since Don Bradman led Australia to get up
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  Speaker 1: from two love down or two nil down in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven. It's a long way back, but
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  Speaker 1: can it be done?
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  Speaker 3: It is a very long way back. But yes, records
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  Speaker 3: are there to be broken. Records are hard and that's
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  Speaker 3: why the test of time. So yes, it can be done,
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  Speaker 3: but it's going to take an extraordinary effort and a
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  Speaker 3: I would say complete rethink of how we go about
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  Speaker 3: playing our test Crooking.
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  Speaker 1: We might start with just a bit of breaking news
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  Speaker 1: from today and this I think will give in your
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  Speaker 1: expertise in through your career. Mark Wood is coming home.
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  Speaker 1: The knee hasn't come up after the Perth Test a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeksgo. Obviously you had that extended still on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines, Josh hazel Wood has been ruled out for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the series. He didn't play it or
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  Speaker 1: didn't make it to the satting line and achilles problem
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  Speaker 1: s grounded him. How hard is that? I've heard a
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  Speaker 1: bit bowling on Australian We could and the ground's being hard,
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  Speaker 1: but how hard is the ball here? In your thirties?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously weve got to cople Vozzi bowlers who are fearing
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  Speaker 1: pretty well installing, But in your thirties it's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: tough asking and it's clearly a difficult one for Mark Wood.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, being fit as a bowler is a hard ask.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway because it's such an an unusual action. We're not
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  Speaker 3: built for bowling, and we put so much stresses and
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  Speaker 3: strange to our bodies that it takes its top. It's
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  Speaker 3: not just on Australian soil. You go to anywhere, the
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  Speaker 3: pictures are normally hard because they've been undercover, they've been rolled,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not such an Australian problem. It's really hard
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  Speaker 3: in England when the outfield's soft, and then you get
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  Speaker 3: onto the hards had hard wickets, so proposes its own problems.
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  Speaker 2: But going back to being fit, there's a difference between
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  Speaker 2: being fit to play and being match fit.
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  Speaker 3: And it's proved over and old, over and over again
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  Speaker 3: that you have to have miles in your legs to
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  Speaker 3: be able to perform in a Test match. And yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's all right saying we've had five days of intense practice,
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  Speaker 3: but bowlers have been bowling there forty minutes spells in
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  Speaker 3: at going off for physio, going off for ice baths.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't been standing in the field for the next
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  Speaker 3: six hours. They haven't been chasing the ball, they haven't
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  Speaker 3: had to do the hard yards. Just being stood up
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  Speaker 3: all days. It is hard enough and walking around at
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  Speaker 3: a cricket pitch. So when we come to say we
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  Speaker 3: didn't execute our plans as a bowler, and we has
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  Speaker 3: a bowling unit.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't executed.
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  Speaker 3: Is that because we haven't got the skill, we aren't
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  Speaker 3: fit enough, or is it just we're coming up with
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  Speaker 3: the wrong plans. So there's a whole host of questions.
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  Speaker 3: You saw the intensity that we bowled on the first
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  Speaker 3: day at Perth and we rolled Australia, and then we
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen that intensity since except for that very short
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  Speaker 3: session when you were chasing verious short amount of arms
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  Speaker 3: in the last Test match. And I want to see
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  Speaker 3: that intensity throughout the Test match. You want to see
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  Speaker 3: that from ball one to the end. You want to
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  Speaker 3: see the bawlers coming off drained, being carried off that
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  Speaker 3: pitch because they've put so much time and effort into
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  Speaker 3: the game and we're just not seeing that.
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  Speaker 1: I think Andrew flint Off, one of your teammates. You
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  Speaker 1: think he said he used to drag himself off at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the play and he'd slapping his chair,
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  Speaker 1: but you knew he'd done the job, he'd given everything
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  Speaker 1: he could. Talking to britt Lee earlier today, you're an
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  Speaker 1: old sparring partner of yours, and he said he feels perversely,
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  Speaker 1: he says, England might well be best performed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to produce in terms of the bowlers from now on,
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  Speaker 1: because they've now got two matches under their legs. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that what you were just touching on, they've actually
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  Speaker 1: played a couple of matches and finally they might actually
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  Speaker 1: be able to have the ground into the back up
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  Speaker 1: time and again. And look, there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: talk about joffer. You had that nice little spat at
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  Speaker 1: the end. Love seeing that. Brittley thought it was great
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  Speaker 1: to have that little being a bit of back and
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  Speaker 1: forth and some chirp or some shaddar. It was good fun.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you feel the fact I've actually got
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  Speaker 1: do you agree with Brettday they've got two under their
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  Speaker 1: belt now they can might be able to get going massively.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I was a trundler.
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  Speaker 3: I bowl one eighty mile an hour to watch that
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  Speaker 3: one thirty clicks swim.
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  Speaker 2: But I managed to get a job done.
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  Speaker 3: And it's been able to to back yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Up over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: And it's it's not net bowling because you're bawling at
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  Speaker 3: your friends, you're bowling at your mates, you're bowling in
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  Speaker 3: a in a net environment that they don't have consequences.
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  Speaker 3: You put yourself in front of forty thousand people, you're alive,
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  Speaker 3: the ball actually disappears as actually consequences. You're playing against
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  Speaker 3: somebody that actually wants to beat you. And it's not
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  Speaker 3: just a in a net situation. You've got time, a
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  Speaker 3: fine leg third man in between spells, you've got time
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  Speaker 3: in between overs.
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  Speaker 2: You have to put the ads in. You're standing out there.
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  Speaker 3: You might be out there for an hour and a
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  Speaker 3: half and not bowl and come up and have to
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  Speaker 3: put in your your performance. So there's a whole host
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  Speaker 3: of different things that happen in a game that you
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  Speaker 3: cannot replicate in practice. And there's been tried and tested
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  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. The playing is the
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  Speaker 3: best form of practicing and getting the yards. And yes,
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  Speaker 3: we might have had five five intents we've over prepared
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  Speaker 3: over I can't my ass, we've over part of my French,
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  Speaker 3: but not a chance in hell have we over prepared
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  Speaker 3: for this test matches. And as you say, Brittley might
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  Speaker 3: have a point that now that we've come up and
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  Speaker 3: said rather than this is why can we not hold
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  Speaker 3: line in length for intense periods of time? Why do
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  Speaker 3: we always go back to the short ball? You go
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  Speaker 3: to the short bawl. There's only one way. Unless we're
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  Speaker 3: bowling for runouts, we'll put two ways in. If we're
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  Speaker 3: bowling for runouts, you're only one way getting out.
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  Speaker 2: Is that cool?
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  Speaker 3: How can you take away your main modes of dismissal
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  Speaker 3: by saying them, We're just going to bowl short at you.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the captain? Is that the coaches at the balls?
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  Speaker 3: Is that the lack of direction? Is it the lack
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  Speaker 3: of ability to say right, then, let's see.
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  Speaker 2: What if Australia done.
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  Speaker 3: Australia hit line and length and hit the deck card
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  Speaker 3: and actually run in and try to get the ball
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  Speaker 3: to move.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember when I.
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  Speaker 3: Was playing listening to Glenn mcgart and Jason Gillespie and
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  Speaker 3: there were number one and two in the world, or
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  Speaker 3: very high up in the rankings, and they said, what
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  Speaker 3: do you what's the secret? And they just said, we
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  Speaker 3: ran up and hit back of a length hard, and
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  Speaker 3: we ran up and hit the top of hostile and
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  Speaker 3: the key, the key with a little bit of a bouncer.
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  Speaker 3: Every now and again to keep the batsman honest. But
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  Speaker 3: we assume it's not going to move. So the movement
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  Speaker 3: off the scene or in the.
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  Speaker 1: Air was a ball.
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  Speaker 2: And all they did.
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  Speaker 3: And if you will go back through history, all the
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  Speaker 3: great fast bowlers and all this seem they hit line
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  Speaker 3: and length for a long period of time. Mitchell Stark,
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  Speaker 3: what's he done. He's pitched the ball up, he's swung it,
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  Speaker 3: he's gone across our back. Yes, our batters have given
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  Speaker 3: him a lot of help, and you just dangle it
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  Speaker 3: outside of stump and within the first three or four
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  Speaker 3: balls we're having a wild swish it. We'll get onto
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  Speaker 3: the batters later. But the done is the whole Line've
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  Speaker 3: done the basics. And I said last time, cricket is
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  Speaker 3: a very simple game made complicated by the people that played.
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  Speaker 3: If you take out bold LBW out of the equation
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  Speaker 3: and we're just bowling for caught in the outfield, then
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  Speaker 3: surely that is not the most statistical statistical way of
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  Speaker 3: getting wickets.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the most Go back to.
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  Speaker 3: Hitting lining and length, hitting the top of ustunt, bring bowl,
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  Speaker 3: bring lb W, you bring cord behind back into the
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  Speaker 3: game and start putting pressure back onto the running up
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  Speaker 3: and bowling short back of a length is not cut
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  Speaker 3: in the mustard.
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  Speaker 1: You touched on the over prepared comments from brind mcallum.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know you do some motivational speaking. Also got
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  Speaker 1: the hot roasting beast. He's been over prepared. Then would
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  Speaker 1: you would you have roasted in the sunshine and news
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  Speaker 1: in the last couple of days on the golf course?
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  Speaker 1: How would you feed yourself if you're out there as
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  Speaker 1: someone sort of in the Midlands around England at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: how would you have feared out in the sun after
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  Speaker 1: four days of Test cricket.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll answer that by putting you into the scenario
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  Speaker 3: when we went over there two thousand and six seven Adelaide. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we lost in Adelaide and a Test match that we
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have lost, and I was absolutely gutted at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the game. I was I was trying to
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  Speaker 3: sit in the locker because I didn't want to be.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to see the quietly bad. That night,
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  Speaker 2: most of the team went out to watch.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the Singer Bobby Robbie Williams went out and Bobby
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  Speaker 3: Williams and a concert. I what we've just lost a
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  Speaker 3: test match that we shouldn't have lost. How on earth
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  Speaker 3: can you go out and enjoy yourself and go out
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  Speaker 3: to see a concert And to me it hurts so
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  Speaker 3: much that we lost that test match. I couldn't go
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  Speaker 3: out and enjoy myself to say, do you know what
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  Speaker 3: we have under performed in two test matches. We've played
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  Speaker 3: two days of the first game and we had lots
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  Speaker 3: of time in between. We've played four of the second game.
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  Speaker 3: But we're now going to go on holiday NUSA.
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  Speaker 2: The it doesn't look right to the outside world. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't look right the fact that.
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  Speaker 3: A load of people said, you know you've underprepared, you've
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  Speaker 3: not been practicing, or you haven't played the games that
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  Speaker 3: you need to. Yes, okay, if if your belief system
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  Speaker 3: and you've prepared that way for the last four years
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  Speaker 3: going into it, you stand up for.
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  Speaker 2: Yourself and believes them, which what they have done.
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  Speaker 3: We've got no qualms whatsoever with the fact that they
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  Speaker 3: have stuck to.
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  Speaker 2: Their guns and believed in their method.
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  Speaker 3: But if your method isn't working and your results aren't
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  Speaker 3: coming out, and then you bugger off to NUSA on
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  Speaker 3: a jolly, then you're opening yourself to criticism and the
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  Speaker 3: optics are not looking fantastic for the England at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And yes you can say they.
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  Speaker 3: Don't care that they're going to stuck to the plans,
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  Speaker 3: but if their beliefs and their plans are not the
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  Speaker 3: right way around of winning ashes series or winning cricket, then.
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  Speaker 2: Heads have to roll.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about the philosophy base ball. The cheddar afterwards
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  Speaker 1: was is it dead?
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  Speaker 3: Is this?
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  Speaker 1: Is this the test that's killed it? I mean being
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  Speaker 1: Stokes did look hurt after that match. He sort of
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  Speaker 1: seen gad and the language he used. There's no room
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  Speaker 1: for weak men in my dressing rooms. I need I
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  Speaker 1: need to sort that out. What did you make of
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  Speaker 1: it all?
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Is it dead? What do we see philosophy?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you saw him in the first two Test matches
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  Speaker 3: just saying basically shut to the press, we know what
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  Speaker 3: we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Now after this Test match, do you know what you're doing?
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  Speaker 2: And yes, it hurts.
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  Speaker 3: The bass boy went out and scored what was it,
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  Speaker 3: fifty one hundred and fifty balls? Was so he went
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  Speaker 3: out and gutted it out. But you've got are you
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  Speaker 3: contradicting yourself? Are you you've been saying for the last
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  Speaker 3: four years the way to win Test matches is go
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  Speaker 3: out and play positive, attacking cricket. You've been told from
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  Speaker 3: ball one the do you know what? That's not how
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  Speaker 3: to win came to Test cricket. But you've backed it.
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  Speaker 3: You've backed it, you've backed it, you've backed it. Are
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  Speaker 3: you now two deep games deep into an ash you
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  Speaker 3: series said you're what, Maybe it's not the right philosophy
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  Speaker 3: and you have to soak up pressure. You have to
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  Speaker 3: earn the right to go out and put pressure onto
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  Speaker 3: the Australians.
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  Speaker 2: You have to win them important times.
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  Speaker 3: And winning the important times might be saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: You've bowled fifteen olivers and you haven't got a wicket.
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  Speaker 3: And now the ball's older, the bawlers are tired, they're
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  Speaker 3: getting into the second and third spells, the thirds and
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  Speaker 3: four spells. The wicket's not doing as much because of
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  Speaker 3: the old ball, because of the fatigue of the ballers.
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  Speaker 3: I can now then go out and dominate and I
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  Speaker 3: can score and they can catch up with that.
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  Speaker 2: You've got five days to play with.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we didn't play with three of the games days
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  Speaker 3: in the first Test match. We've had a full day
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  Speaker 3: of the last Test match. So it's not the fact
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  Speaker 3: that we're running out of time. You can back deep.
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  Speaker 3: You can say right then, let's build partnerships. And what
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  Speaker 3: partnerships do is they demoralize the field inside, they lose
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  Speaker 3: the intensity of the ball. You then go on, how
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  Speaker 3: we're going to get a wicket? What we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 3: Are we gonna have to change our plans as bowlers,
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  Speaker 3: And that's when you start winning as a batter. That's
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  Speaker 3: when the runs start coming freely. Australia have been putting
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  Speaker 3: on partnerships and scoring freely because we haven't stuck to
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  Speaker 3: our plans properly. Australia haven't been made to change their
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  Speaker 3: plans because they've gone on and say, right, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to pitch the ball up outside our stump and we
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  Speaker 3: know you're gonna have a goal. Look at Olipope. It
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  Speaker 3: one overcovers, the hit, one over the slips and then't
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  Speaker 3: caught on bold. You can see it coming. As a bowler,
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  Speaker 3: you're thinking, you know, all I've got to do is
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  Speaker 3: put it there and I'm going to get a chance.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas if you put it there to Steve Smith and
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  Speaker 3: he's leaving it or Marcus alber Sheen, and he's leaving
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  Speaker 3: it leaving it right. Then I've got to do something
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  Speaker 3: different because I'm wasting my energy bowl in that bowl
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  Speaker 3: and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Looking pretty going to the keeper.
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  Speaker 3: So what do i have to I'm going to have
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  Speaker 3: to bowl straight and Steve Smith's thank you very much
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  Speaker 3: and clich Off, there has to be a rethink.
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  Speaker 2: Of how we go around building an innings.
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  Speaker 3: We've got one player that of maybe two with Ben
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  Speaker 3: Joe route plays situations. The rest of our batters are
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  Speaker 3: just going out and trying to I say, run before
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  Speaker 3: they can walk. They have to earn the right to
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  Speaker 3: score runs in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I have to put in the hard yars.
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  Speaker 3: They have to put in the time, and at the
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  Speaker 3: moment we don't seem like we're capable of doing that.
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  Speaker 1: There's one positive is that Joe scored that century year
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  Speaker 1: old nemesis that he didn't dan in his career. He
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  Speaker 1: would walk around the m c G naked. I think
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  Speaker 1: everyone is breathing the side of relief he stored. No
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  Speaker 1: one wanted to see that it was a magnificent Indians
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  Speaker 1: from Joe because it was when you would have been
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  Speaker 1: watching it it was it was superbian needs wasn't it
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  Speaker 1: was not enough, not enough follow through and just I
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  Speaker 1: guess a sign. It's a sign of what you can
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  Speaker 1: be done if if you have the application.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what he got dropped, dropped till the doors lord,
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  Speaker 3: chance to the to the.
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  Speaker 2: Smith.
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  Speaker 3: And if you need a bit of look, you can
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  Speaker 3: ride a bit look. But once you've got that, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to ride it. You've got to say, right there,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to make the opposition pay. We dropped five catches.
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  Speaker 3: We dropped five catches in an innings? What's that doing?
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  Speaker 3: We have players playing in a Pink Bowl game for
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  Speaker 3: the very first time, And yes, you can say, right then,
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  Speaker 3: we did all the practice under likes. We we did
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  Speaker 3: intense fielding protessions. But in fielding sessions, you know the
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  Speaker 3: balls coming to you.
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  Speaker 2: You know that. Do you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I've got four or five balls coming to me now,
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  Speaker 3: and I've got to field them and throw them back.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's my turn that the balls comeing to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like that in a game.
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  Speaker 3: You have to switch on and with the balls, but
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  Speaker 3: where's the bat eating it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it coming to me?
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  Speaker 3: I can switch off again, and it's turning on and yes,
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  Speaker 3: nobody means to drop catches, and yes they'll have done
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: all the work.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Golf that says that the harder the practice, the luckier
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I get. Yea and the five intense training sessions that
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: that the training you've got to have match awareness. We
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: haven't got match awareness because we haven't played. That stems
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: back to India in a home Test match series. We
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: had the feistiness, which I love. I love a little
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: bit of our gabarge A little bit is need a
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: little bit. Let's make exciting because everybody wants to see
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: that players pushing boundaries and pushing each other's all right,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and then let's have we're the best of the best.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Let's let's show people why and that Neil helps.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: But what also helps is winning games of cricket. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: yes we we have one games of cricket in the past,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: but we're not winning the any of the battles at
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the month. Australia are playing basic, basic cricket, not having
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: to do anything other than play play simple cricket. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: we are not playing the simple cricket. We are playing
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a fast forward cricket that does not work in Australia.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: We have metthewa joining us on the follow on podcast.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: The disappointment or frustration if he's evident? What about the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: reaction at home? What do you what? What? What I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: mean that the I sat next to Mike Atherton in
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the first Test. It was a couple of seats down
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: from me while we were riding away. When Joe Rouge
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was out, I think you were four down and the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: response was oh ship. Then things changed around and and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then when when when he'd written the next day that
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: England were on top of the test and he and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: he was getting frustrated, going, oh god, people are going
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to be waking up in the UK after the after
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the horrors of day two in Perth and read me
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: saying that we're that England are on top and dominating
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the Test, and they'll think I'm a fool once again.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But what's the reactor like around the streets? What you know?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: People you're bumming into when you're doing your work? Yeah, telling,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you're selling you talk to people, you're chatting to me?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: What's going on? Otherwise? Said? The optics don't look good.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: The words coming out of the England come are not
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: doing themselves any favors whatsoever. We were as I said
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: on the last podcast, that build has been comments.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Do you know what we all said that you're not
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: preparing properly. No we are, they're not.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: The fact that they lost in two days and instead
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: of practicing in a two ball game, and yes, the
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: week it has been completely different. It's going to be flat, slow,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: it's not going to give you any beneficial but you can.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It's time in the middle.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Time to score some runs, time to get a rhythm,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: time to get you time time to do you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: this is how I score runs. This is how you
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: bowl line and length on a wicket. It's going to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: be twenty two yards long. No matter where you play
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the game, it's still going to be twenty two yards long.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: The fact that they've lost another game and they're going
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: into a noose for a holiday, the fact that they
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: said that their own overtraining. If in anything, the optics
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: from the England camp and the language from the England
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: camp is not good.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Everybody just think, well, they're tossing it off.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: They're out there for a good time and if it
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: don't come out, it's like you're playing under eleven cricket.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Don't matter.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go again. Let's try hard the next game.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Let's try hard the next But you're trying hard is
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: not I'm not saying that they're not trying, but they're
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: not playing smart cricket. And that is the the fact
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that they're not owning it and saying, you know what,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: we've played ship shots to get ourselves out.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: We're not taking time out in the middle.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: We maybe we should have had a better warm up,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: but you are going to be judged on your results.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And I wish I could sit here and said, you
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: know what, we were wrong because the fact that you've
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: been playing brilliant cricket. Your your ballers have been fresh,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: they have put the bats under pressure. We've scored lots
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of runs very quickly, and we're winning games and we're
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: winning sessions with It's a very The good will is
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: a role. After the first Test match, it was, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: we were in a position to win that Test match.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: We were one hundred and from.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: One down and then we we handed it back to Australia.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: We came into the second Test match, he said, you
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: know what, we're with a great chance of winning this
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Test match because we had the belief and the the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: ability to win the first Test match. We didn't look
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: in the game in the second and in the second
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Test match and it is a long long way back
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: from from Australia. Now Cummins is fit again.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I was going to say the good news is looking
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: towards Adelaide installation. Respect if you've got pet Commons Street
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: turning Nathan Lyon, who is more than five hundred test week,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it's left it out, but he beounsuspecting for the Adelaide tests.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I guess as we sort of get towards just wrapping
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: up what happens with England. Does Josh Tung come in?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: This Pot's coming? We saw the sucists with which you
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: talked about the line in the length, the one you
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: know low one thirties and took a ball and bans
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: back from the first day and he's Alex Carry after
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the Stamps. Has clearly had an impact on where they
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: how they're playing Scott Bawland and he's been effective. You've
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: seen that. Is it Pots? Does he coming? Is it?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You know who who does come in? And what do
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they do? Do they change it around?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question because you've been picking for
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the last two years and saying right, you're number one
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: spinner and then you don't pick We go in with
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: an old pace attack which hasn't worked. Unfortunately, Woody is out.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: We bring Fisher in, Tongue takes wickets. He's more of
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a picture up Tyler ball. But you then look at Adelaide,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: which is historically one of the flattered, flatter wickets in Australia.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: That turns a little bit right, then who's the spinner?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Are we Are we going from Jack and putting Busher
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: back in because we might need a frontline spinner. Are
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: we going to stick with Chat? That's if you were winning.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: It's a breeze, isn't it? The selection isn't who's batting
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: at three? Are we going to stick with the pope?
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And said, you know, let's rain it in a little bit.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: And I wish I had the answers. But the squad
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: out there has to be the people that play. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you've picked them that squad for a reason because of
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the best fourteen players that you've got in the country,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and you've picked the best six players to up to
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: back one to six, So they're not in confidence, confidence
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: and mindset and You're going to have to go around
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and look people in the eye and say right, they
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: know you do you believe you can can score runs.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: And there's going to be some hopefully some tough conversations
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: being had in that in that changing groups, a fight
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: coming out of the England camp and saying right that
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the intensity that was was shown in that short period
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: at the end from the bowlers run up, hit that
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: length hard, put the pressure back on, put the pressure
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: on the batsman for the full However many overs it
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: takes you, not just the first ten overs. However many
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: overs it takes you put the batsman under pressure. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: when you're batting it doesn't matter if I mean, what
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: was that We've been beating for seventy overs, seventy overs
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: and innings. How do you win Test cricket by batting
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: seventy overs and innans? You don't, so find a way
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: of batting longer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Last one for you, three o'clock, three am, four am
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: next Wednesday morning in London. Are you rolling over when
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the alarm goes off and chicking the phone and rolling
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: back to bed? Or are you or are you yes?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: We are becking it?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna wait until I wake up,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna look at.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: The score and then I'll make it just cough from there.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Look, I really appreciate you coming on again. It is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it was a ball and look, I hope you don't know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We might even come back to UH for for the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: review review if we get if we get to that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: stage and as five zero, you might have as much
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he left as I've got on top of the head.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But I really appreciate you joining the follow on. Been
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a pleasure, always, always a thrilled Thank you so much,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: just always