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#HURDLEMOMENT: Tips To Navigate Injury From Olympian & Pro Runner Emily Sisson · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Is tough, and it's emotionally hard, especially when you can't
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Speaker 1: do the one thing like you love doing. But just remember,
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Speaker 1: like I feel like I've done the sports so long,
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Speaker 1: like I can stuck back and be like, Yep, there
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Speaker 1: are highs and lows in it. It's like the most
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Speaker 1: cliche thing to say, but it's true. And so if
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Speaker 1: you're on a low right now, just remember what comes next,
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Speaker 1: because like it's just it's part of it. It's part
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Speaker 1: of the whole journey. It's part of Not so I'm cheesy,
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Speaker 1: but it is. I know so many people actually who've
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Speaker 1: had some other highest ties after their lowest lows.
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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here coming to you live
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Speaker 2: from the AG studio and you are listening to another
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Speaker 2: installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle a While. On this
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Speaker 2: focus podcast, reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to
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Speaker 2: top experts and industry CEOs about their highest ties, toughest moments,
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Speaker 2: and everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,
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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you
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Speaker 2: to better navigate yours and move with intentions so that
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Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of
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Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. Today I am
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Speaker 2: talking about a topic near and dear to my heart
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Speaker 2: after the last give or take two three months, and
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Speaker 2: that is injury. As many of you know, I navigated
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Speaker 2: some difficult injuries this year which side tracked my plans
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Speaker 2: to run the London Marathon, and so I figured that
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Speaker 2: it was about time we talk a little bit more
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Speaker 2: about injury, about navigating injury, and what better way to
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Speaker 2: do that than to call in another amazing human. That
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Speaker 2: amazing human is Emily Sisson. She's been on the show before.
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Speaker 2: I'll link her first episode in the show notes, but
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Speaker 2: let me talk up m's amazingness. She is a professional
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Speaker 2: runner for New Balance. She's also an Olympian, and we
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Speaker 2: were able to catch up while she was in town
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Speaker 2: for the New York City Marathon. Now em and I
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Speaker 2: again have injury in common, and that she was slated
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Speaker 2: to run the New York Tokny Marathon and had to
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Speaker 2: pull out because she is dealing with an injury of
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Speaker 2: her own. Now, the good news is that, like me,
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Speaker 2: she's on the comeback and we're going to talk all
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Speaker 2: about this today. But like I said to her, today's
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Speaker 2: episode I was really impressed with her tenacity, with her optimism.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she came to New York to watch the
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Speaker 2: marathon despite not being able to run it, and I
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Speaker 2: told her that I really admire that. I really admire
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Speaker 2: that she has such a great attitude and outlook on
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Speaker 2: not only where she's come from, but most importantly, where
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Speaker 2: she is going today. Emily offers up her best advice
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Speaker 2: or anyone that may be struggling with injury, and also
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Speaker 2: shares her plans for the future and how she has
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Speaker 2: been able to keep a positive outlook even when she's
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Speaker 2: been feeling a little bit down. We also chat about
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Speaker 2: how she navigated this injury which started to flare up
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Speaker 2: before the Summer Olympics, and we're into people she's gotten
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Speaker 2: her corner to help her stay positive in the day
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Speaker 2: to day. A huge thank you to Emily for all
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Speaker 2: of her wisdom and of course her time. It was
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Speaker 2: so great to have her here in person in the
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Speaker 2: Hurdle studio. Mad sure you're following along with the show
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Speaker 2: over on Socials, It's at Hurdle Podcast. I am over
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Speaker 2: at Emily a body and with that, let's get to
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Speaker 2: hurdling today. I'm sitting down with Emily Sisson Irl. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to the Hurdle Studio.
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Speaker 1: M thank you, thanks for having me. I love your studio.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: I'm like elated because I felt like when we first
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Speaker 2: recorded it was like we would never come out of
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Speaker 2: this moment. And I think it was December twenty twenty maybe.
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Speaker 1: And man, what a time it was the day actually
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Speaker 1: after the election. I remember because I didn't sleep, like
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Speaker 1: I slept three hours and we were recording this, and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I schedule this after election day?
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Speaker 2: Is that you don't usually think about? Yes, wow, If
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Speaker 2: that isn't a sign of the times. Well, I'm so
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Speaker 2: excited to be back with you this week. We are
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Speaker 2: here New York City Marathon weekend. This will be coming
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Speaker 2: out not that far afterward, but it's just such a
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Speaker 2: beautiful moment to be in New York right now. Have
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Speaker 2: you been traveling a lot outside of this.
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Speaker 1: No, not too much. A little bit. I mean, compared
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Speaker 1: to last year, I've been traveling more, but it is
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Speaker 1: nice kind of getting back into the swing of things
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Speaker 1: and feeling that bit of normalcy returning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, what a time New York City Marathon.
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Speaker 2: We're traveling again, we're here. What else is on deck
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Speaker 2: while you're here this weekend?
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Speaker 1: A few things actually, I've got a couple things with
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Speaker 1: mainly New Balance, doing a lot with them while I'm here.
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Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's sitting to watch the marathon and
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Speaker 1: the hunting back Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well this eases us into what we're going to
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Speaker 2: talk about today because originally you were going to run
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Speaker 2: the New York City Marathon. So this is something that
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Speaker 2: you and I are going to really jive on today
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Speaker 2: because I don't know if you were in the loop,
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Speaker 2: but I was supposed to run the London Marathon and
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Speaker 2: then didn't because I got injured, And so you and
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Speaker 2: I can definitely relate on like how difficult that is
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Speaker 2: to have to kind of pull back on something that
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Speaker 2: you were hoping to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not easy and it's not fun, but it
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Speaker 1: is part of the sport and it's something i'd say
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Speaker 1: most runners that have been in that situation before, so
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Speaker 1: very relatable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, very relatable. But it's also for me. I mean,
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Speaker 2: so I didn't end up going to London. I went
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Speaker 2: on like a you know, completely different euro trip instead.
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Speaker 2: But for you to be here this weekend. How does
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Speaker 2: that feel?
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about that actually when the plane landed
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Speaker 1: and I was just like driving through the city last night.
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Speaker 1: I thought like maybe I'd be feeling like a bit
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Speaker 1: of fomo, like sad I'm not racing, But I'm actually
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Speaker 1: just so excited, really excited to be here. I'm excited
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Speaker 1: for the return of major marathons, and I'm just so
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Speaker 1: excited for this weekend and then races that I have
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Speaker 1: in my future. So actually, like I thought i'd be
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Speaker 1: feeling like a little like maybe sad, or like wishing
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Speaker 1: I was racing, but I'm actually just really excited. I'm
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Speaker 1: not really experiencing that for some reason.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean that makes me happy to hear that
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Speaker 2: your food almost like, because I did think about that.
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Speaker 2: I thought a lot about like if I still wanted
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Speaker 2: to go to London and what that would like, if
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Speaker 2: I would feel that fomo. And I think maybe you're
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Speaker 2: you've been dealing with this for a minute now, so
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Speaker 2: why don't we give some more context first, So talk
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Speaker 2: to us about what you're navigating now.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so for about the past three months, since approximately
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Speaker 1: like two and a half weeks before the Tokyo Olympics,
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Speaker 1: I injured my knee and I've been rehabbing that ever since,
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Speaker 1: and I'm getting there. I've definitely turned a corner and
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty good. But it's been like a long
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Speaker 1: road and I'm hoping to start working out again in
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Speaker 1: like a week or two. But yeah, the long patient road. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So if you don't mind me asking, what kind of
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Speaker 2: knee injury messing.
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Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, right now, it seems to be my t
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Speaker 1: VAN that I'm still dealing a little bit with. But
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Speaker 1: it was actually like a few different things, and it
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Speaker 1: was kind of hard to pinpoint which one was causing
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Speaker 1: the symptoms and the pain because it was actually with me.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes that's what happens. It's a few different things going on.
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Speaker 1: It's not my first time I've had knee pain or
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Speaker 1: knee issues, so I actually know what to look out
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Speaker 1: for and I know how to manage it, and I
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Speaker 1: know what is I'm able to run through and what
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Speaker 1: I'm not pretty well at this point. But yeah, it
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Speaker 1: started about two and a half weeks before the Tokyo Olympics.
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Speaker 1: I was on a run and I just landed funny
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Speaker 1: and I felt like some sharp pain and I tried
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Speaker 1: to finish the run and was like I knew it.
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Speaker 1: Like sometimes you're like it's hard to tell when things
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Speaker 1: come on like slowly, but I knew I was running. Funny,
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Speaker 1: I knew I like had a limp, and I like
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Speaker 1: gave it like a day, tried to run again, and
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Speaker 1: then it was pretty clear I crossed that line of like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is something you know you need to take care of,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm jumping around a bit. But
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Speaker 1: I was in Providence training at the time, and like
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Speaker 1: the very next day hopped on a plane to Phoenix
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Speaker 1: to see my chiropractor so that I could make it
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Speaker 1: to the start line at the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And that was pretty much the last like two and
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Speaker 1: a half weeks before Tokyo was just like the focus
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Speaker 1: of getting to the line, yeah, and then performing as
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Speaker 1: well as I could. To you, it wasn't just like
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Speaker 1: starting the race. I wanted to be able to like compete,
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Speaker 1: and so it was a lot of decision making, a
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Speaker 1: lot of just managing symptoms and tracking them, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of that kind of took up the last bit
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Speaker 1: of my Olympic build up. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I can totally relate to that like moment
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Speaker 2: where you're like, something doesn't feel right here, yeah, and
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Speaker 2: asking yourself like is this just feeling off? Or like
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Speaker 2: is this does this feel like? If I keep going
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Speaker 2: right now, I could be doing more dances to my body.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's like a moment of realization
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Speaker 2: that a lot of individuals struggle with, right it is, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: having almost the emotional maturity maybe to be like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is bigger than this moment right here, So if
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Speaker 2: I take a step back, then I could be doing
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Speaker 2: myself a service in the long haul exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And sometimes, like it is tricky knowing yourself because
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Speaker 1: sometimes especially when things come on very gradually, it's hard
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Speaker 1: to know when you cross that line versus of like
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Speaker 1: oh something just feels a little tight to oh no,
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Speaker 1: this is like not good. I knew my body pretty
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Speaker 1: well then, and I knew when something was wrong. But
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Speaker 1: coming back from the injury, I've actually had to rely
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Speaker 1: a bit on my chiropractor and also my husband, because like,
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Speaker 1: I'll have days where I feel better than I felt
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Speaker 1: last week, but I'll ask my husband on a run,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, how am I moving? Like do I
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Speaker 1: look okay? And a month. He's like, no, it's like
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Speaker 1: you don't you still don't look great, but like I
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Speaker 1: need that for you back, because sometimes like your mind
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Speaker 1: can like play tricks on you a bit, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I actually feel better, and he's like, you're still not
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Speaker 1: ready to like hop back into normal training. You definitely
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Speaker 1: still have a bit of a limp. And so that's
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Speaker 1: what I do love about having my husband there when
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Speaker 1: I'm running, because he can tell me afterwards, like he'll
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Speaker 1: give me honest feedback, and that's what I need. So
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Speaker 1: sometimes having like someone to rely on like that, I
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Speaker 1: found that to be kind of helpful this time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean for you to experience this
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Speaker 2: two weeks before Tokyo, this is coming off of and
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Speaker 2: I was there to watch you like the most unbelievable
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Speaker 2: performance in the time Kay in Oregon. And so to
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Speaker 2: come to this point before the Olympics, talk to us
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Speaker 2: about like where your emotional state was when stuff started
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Speaker 2: to feel a little bit off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, emotionally I was actually okay. I feel like emotionally
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Speaker 1: it was tougher afterwards because I think in the moment,
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Speaker 1: I'm just so like, Okay, what do I need to do?
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Speaker 1: To get to the starting line, and everything was just
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Speaker 1: so like just down to like focusing, like taking kind
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Speaker 1: of emotion out of it and just making the best
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Speaker 1: decisions I could at the time, because we had a
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Speaker 1: weigh a lot of different things, Like, for example, we
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Speaker 1: weren't sure if I should be doing workouts or not
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Speaker 1: because it was wasn't great, but I was concerned if
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Speaker 1: I didn't like get my legs turning over at race
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Speaker 1: pace a little bit, that like if three weeks went
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Speaker 1: by and I was on the start line, then my
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Speaker 1: body like wouldn't be able to either get through the race,
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Speaker 1: but then also like it wouldn't really recognize race pace.
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Speaker 1: So that was something we kind of weighed, was Okay,
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Speaker 1: well we need to do something, but how much? And
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Speaker 1: should we do cool downs after workouts, take the next
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Speaker 1: day off even like flying the twelve hour flight or whatever.
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Speaker 1: It was like that was something we had to like
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Speaker 1: like plan for because I had swelling in my knees.
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Speaker 1: So we're like of long flights probably not going to
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Speaker 1: help that. So what can we do to minimize that
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Speaker 1: and help you come off the flight feeling Okay?
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Speaker 2: What did you do? Well?
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Speaker 1: Luckily, like I am pretty lucky New Balance did offer
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Speaker 1: to upgrade my flight, so I was able to like
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Speaker 1: lie flat for most of it instead of like sitting
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Speaker 1: with like my knees bent for the twelve hours. And
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Speaker 1: then yeah, I just kind of gave myself a day
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Speaker 1: once I landed to kind of like let my body
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Speaker 1: like feel okay, and I tested out running like the
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Speaker 1: second day I was in Tokyo, and I actually didn't
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Speaker 1: feel too bad. But my runs were pretty short at
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Speaker 1: that time, right, I was doing so much prehab and
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Speaker 1: so much like activation and stuff before running, and my
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Speaker 1: runs were actually so short. But the whole focus was
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Speaker 1: just to keep my body moving well. And I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence off doing like these short abbreviated
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Speaker 1: workouts of like two or three reps like that gave
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Speaker 1: me confidence I could get through the race. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: but to be clear, I did have a ton of help.
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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have been able to do this if
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Speaker 1: I wasn't getting treatment every day and having people I
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Speaker 1: checked in with every day. So yeah, it was like
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Speaker 1: it caught it with me afterwards though, day after the
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Speaker 1: race and when I landed, like back in the US,
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Speaker 1: like all I wanted to do was like sleep, I
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Speaker 1: was so so emotionally dreamed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so tired. Yeah, And I mean there's
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Speaker 2: two things to double click on here. The first thing
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Speaker 2: you mentioned prehab, and that is something as well as
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Speaker 2: warming up that so many professionals we'll talk about how
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Speaker 2: integrol it is to their routine, but for the everyday
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Speaker 2: runner like me, a lot of us are like, well,
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Speaker 2: it'll be fine, Like I'll just use the first part
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Speaker 2: of my run to do this obviously, like this like
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Speaker 2: this is your profession, so like you've kind of learned
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Speaker 2: how to master this. But do you remember maybe a
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Speaker 2: point in your running journey where you started to really
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Speaker 2: realize how integral that warm up and the prehab really
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Speaker 2: were for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if there was one specific point,
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Speaker 1: but I'd say like as I got older and as
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Speaker 1: like the training got harder and more intense and the
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Speaker 1: level I was competing at as that went up, I
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Speaker 1: found it was like pretty key to stay on top
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Speaker 1: of that stuff because little injuries like I kind of
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Speaker 1: want to minimize or I want to minimize big and
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Speaker 1: little injuries. So I've started working with a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: I trust you can give me good advice on what
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Speaker 1: to do before run, and even now, like or even
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Speaker 1: when I'm healthy, I probably do like twenty minutes of
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Speaker 1: like foam rolling mobility like activation before I run. And
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Speaker 1: I know most people probably don't have time for that
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Speaker 1: every single run, but even like like a few things
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Speaker 1: here and there, like if like you only have five
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Speaker 1: minutes before you go out the door, if I were
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Speaker 1: ten minutes, you can do a couple like ankle drills
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Speaker 1: or like things to like warm up your feed and
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Speaker 1: your toes, like like if that's your weak spot. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of guidance in figuring out what
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Speaker 1: I need, and even when I'm healthy, I always do
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Speaker 1: like before runs and after runs a bit of work.
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Speaker 2: You know what my new thing is. I make an
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Speaker 2: espresso first thing in the morning, almost every morning, the
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Speaker 2: roundio for anyone that's own that really wants to know,
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Speaker 2: And I'll stand at my kitchen island and do the
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Speaker 2: alphabet with both of my feet like one. I'll just
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sipping my whatever, I'm sipping my n
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Speaker 2: espresso for a total of like two minutes before I
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Speaker 2: start doing other things and then like come back to it.
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Speaker 2: But in those two minutes, I'll stand there and just
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Speaker 2: do like some inkle stuff. I've never had ankle problems,
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Speaker 2: but I'm like, in these two minutes, what else am
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Speaker 2: I doing besides like maybe looking at my phone.
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Speaker 1: And even if you don't have ankle problems, things can
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Speaker 1: like work up the chain. So if your ankles are
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Speaker 1: really stiff, which mine I can get pretty stiff, it
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Speaker 1: can cause me pain, it can cause hip pain if
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Speaker 1: you're not getting great like I don't have great door
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Speaker 1: selection like, so actually, even if you don't have problems,
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Speaker 1: it's still good to do that.
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Speaker 2: Stuff, definitely. And you also said something that I love,
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Speaker 2: which is like a bunch of little things can add
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Speaker 2: up to a big thing. And that's so applicable, not
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Speaker 2: just when we're talking about injury, but like even small
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Speaker 2: steps in the right direction can make a big difference
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Speaker 2: in the long term. So when we talk about perhaps
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Speaker 2: like going after a goal like running your first mile,
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Speaker 2: running a five k, even you know, bigger than that
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Speaker 2: getting out there for like that first run, or getting
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Speaker 2: out there to do like commit to something, committing to
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Speaker 2: yourself one day. If you keep doing that day in
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Speaker 2: and day out, then you're going to see the payoff
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Speaker 2: of that over time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, then thought's a nice thing about running, Like
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Speaker 1: what you like put into it, you get out of it.
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Speaker 1: And I know, like injuries like they are part of
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Speaker 1: it that does happen. But if you stay in the
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Speaker 1: sport long enough, like you're going to see those games.
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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And the other thing that I wanted
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Speaker 2: to double click on, you were talking about how great
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Speaker 2: it is to have the right support team around you,
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Speaker 2: and I think that, especially when it comes to injury,
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Speaker 2: it can be so so hard to be like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I need help, Yeah I can't do this by myself,
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Speaker 2: and it's almost like you kind of have to put
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Speaker 2: your ego aside to get to where you want to be.
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Speaker 2: And so often it's almost as if we associate reaching
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Speaker 2: out for help or asking for help or admitting that
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Speaker 2: you can't do it alone as a sign of weakness,
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Speaker 2: when in actuality, reaching out and like looking for that
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Speaker 2: extra hand can be the thing that actually helps get
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Speaker 2: you too where you want to be.
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Speaker 1: Oh definitely, yeah. I know when I was younger, especially,
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Speaker 1: that's how I felt. I didn't want to ask for help.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be excelf sufficient and like you know,
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Speaker 1: everyone needs help, like like you can't do everything alone
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Speaker 1: and like having that support system you can lean on
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Speaker 1: when you need it, and then also being that support
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Speaker 1: system for your teammates and other people when they need it.
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Speaker 1: Like this is a whole community, Like it works, like
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Speaker 1: like you get further together. So yeah, yeah, I think,
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Speaker 1: like I don't know if there was like a moment
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Speaker 2: And I feel like a week or two ago, I
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Speaker 2: was having a conversation that was on the show. We
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Speaker 2: did a panel at Lululemon, and one of the men
20:34
Speaker 2: was talking about that the most difficult part of being
20:37
Speaker 2: injured sometimes is that withdraw that happens almost immediately from
20:42
Speaker 2: your community, right and for so many of us. I mean,
20:45
Speaker 2: I certainly identify as a runner. Obviously you do, it's
20:48
Speaker 2: your profession. But for you, when you had to slowly
20:52
Speaker 2: kind of pull back on your workouts and you said,
20:55
Speaker 2: like you're almost just now getting back into them, right,
20:59
Speaker 2: how did that feel for you as someone who really
21:02
Speaker 2: does like hold a big part of your identity it
21:05
Speaker 2: as being a runner.
21:06
Speaker 1: Well, so for me, it I it definitely could see.
21:11
Speaker 1: It was harder for me in college when I was
21:12
Speaker 1: part of a team, whereas right now it's just me
21:14
Speaker 1: and my husband that do workouts together. And like the
21:17
Speaker 1: other day, we were saying we miss our workout days.
21:19
Speaker 1: We would go like to the track or to like
21:21
Speaker 1: one of the canals in Phoenix do a workout. Then
21:23
Speaker 1: we'd go get brunch together and it's just kind of
21:25
Speaker 1: nice and we're like, we miss those, but we know
21:28
Speaker 1: they're coming back soon. But when you're part of a
21:30
Speaker 1: team and like it's a big part of your life
21:32
Speaker 1: and like your social life too, I like that was harder.
21:36
Speaker 1: And so I think for me what helped in college
21:38
Speaker 1: when I felt like I wasn't part of the team
21:40
Speaker 1: when I was injured. Not that you wish ill on
21:43
Speaker 1: other people, but usually there's someone else that's injured at
21:45
Speaker 1: the same time. And so if you can find one
21:48
Speaker 1: partner to like cross train with, like to go out
21:51
Speaker 1: and like bike ride with and then go get brunch afterwards.
21:54
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing as doing like a long
21:56
Speaker 1: run and like getting brunch. Like I'm not going to
21:58
Speaker 1: say like I love like cycling as much as I
22:00
Speaker 1: love running, because I definitely don't want. But you know,
22:04
Speaker 1: like it just like it gives you something. It gives
22:07
Speaker 1: you like a good enough replacement, a temporary replacement to
22:11
Speaker 1: get out and get like yourself moving and knowing like
22:14
Speaker 1: just remember it's like it's only temporary, like you are
22:17
Speaker 1: going to get backgrounning. You're going to get back working out,
22:21
Speaker 1: like it doesn't last forever, so kind of keeping that
22:24
Speaker 1: in mind and just having like one I've always been
22:26
Speaker 1: a person that really only needs like one or two
22:28
Speaker 1: other like close friends to do things with, and I'm
22:31
Speaker 1: like pretty happy with that if I have someone else
22:34
Speaker 1: to connect with. So if you can find someone else
22:36
Speaker 1: that like wants to meet up, and I don't know
22:38
Speaker 1: what other forms of cross train you can do, but
22:41
Speaker 1: like a lyft to go or something.
22:42
Speaker 2: Like, it's yeah, I don't know whatever. And I also
22:46
Speaker 2: feel like you can like make a date to just
22:48
Speaker 2: do something right.
22:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's to be exactly. Like that's the.
22:51
Speaker 2: Thing like we because we like identify in this way.
22:54
Speaker 2: It's almost as though it's like, well, well least people
22:57
Speaker 2: want to do like other things with me, Like oh yeah,
22:59
Speaker 2: you know. And it's funny because like you almost like
23:02
Speaker 2: have a moment of pause where you're like, can we
23:04
Speaker 2: do these other things? And it's like, yes, you can
23:05
Speaker 2: do other things. You can. I mean we've already listed brunch,
23:08
Speaker 2: but like even just like walking around the neighborhood or
23:10
Speaker 2: like like pick a place that you've never been to
23:13
Speaker 2: before that you want to like go both go like
23:15
Speaker 2: try out if hiking is in your in your wheelhouse,
23:18
Speaker 2: like you can do something like that. Finding a way
23:20
Speaker 2: to still stay engaged with your people just because you
23:22
Speaker 2: may not be able to do the thing that you
23:24
Speaker 2: were doing before is like it's just critical.
23:27
Speaker 1: One of the silver linings, although I don't love being injured,
23:30
Speaker 1: is that I have been able to I have extra
23:32
Speaker 1: time now that I don't usually have, so I've been
23:34
Speaker 1: able to do things with family and friends I like
23:37
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to do otherwise, so like it
23:40
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like cross straining, like you can
23:42
Speaker 1: meet up with people and go like get brunch like
23:44
Speaker 1: we said, or yeah, just like do anything. I don't know,
23:48
Speaker 1: to do a pottery class or something.
23:49
Speaker 2: Something like that. I remember for me when I so
23:53
Speaker 2: I started to navigate my recent injury like on my
23:57
Speaker 2: own in that I started to seek out expert opinions
24:00
Speaker 2: when something fell off and I hadn't said anything and
24:03
Speaker 2: had been like a week or so maybe on like
24:06
Speaker 2: the socials, right, and so I finally like decide, I'm
24:10
Speaker 2: like I'm going to fill them in that like something's
24:13
Speaker 2: going on with my body. And I kind of did
24:16
Speaker 2: this twice. The first time, I was like, I'm just
24:18
Speaker 2: going to rip the band aid off and I'm going
24:20
Speaker 2: to go live and just be like I don't know
24:22
Speaker 2: what's going on with my body, but I'm dealing with
24:24
Speaker 2: this thing. Whatever, Well, let me tell you when I
24:26
Speaker 2: want to go do that. I was like hysterical, like
24:29
Speaker 2: I was not emotionally equipped for like how I was
24:32
Speaker 2: going to feel, because I felt like in that moment
24:34
Speaker 2: it started to finally feel real for me, like I'm
24:37
Speaker 2: going to have to let all these people know, like, hey,
24:39
Speaker 2: something's up, and like you've probably noticed that I haven't
24:42
Speaker 2: been like maybe living in the way that you're used
24:44
Speaker 2: to seeing me kind of live my life. But I
24:46
Speaker 2: just want to let you know because I know many
24:47
Speaker 2: of you struggle with this as well when it came
24:50
Speaker 2: to sharing with your following about the fact that you
24:53
Speaker 2: had been navigating with this kind of wonkiness for a while. Now,
24:57
Speaker 2: talk me through that experience and how that felt for you.
24:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because if I hadn't committed to New York,
25:03
Speaker 1: I actually probably just wouldn't have said anything. It is
25:05
Speaker 1: probably would have felt like a bit unnecessary because I
25:07
Speaker 1: was able to get to the Olympics and compete still
25:11
Speaker 1: and I still was really happy with my performance. I'm like, like,
25:14
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound cocky, but I'm proud of that. Like,
25:17
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that. So if I, like, I
25:20
Speaker 1: wish I could extend in my season one more race,
25:23
Speaker 1: but if I hadn't committed to New York, I probab
25:25
Speaker 1: wouldn't said anything. So at the time, I remember thinking, though,
25:29
Speaker 1: like it probably is good to share this stuff, Like
25:32
Speaker 1: it doesn't come naturally to me. It's not like my
25:34
Speaker 1: first thought, but like, I don't know any runner that
25:39
Speaker 1: this might be a double negative. I can't think of
25:40
Speaker 1: a runner that hasn't dealt with an injury at some
25:43
Speaker 1: point in their career. So, and it can, like I
25:46
Speaker 1: think you mentioned earlier, it can feel like a lonely
25:48
Speaker 1: experience when you're going through it. And so just to like,
25:51
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe no, you're not the only one
25:53
Speaker 1: out there trying to find answers trying to get back running.
25:57
Speaker 1: Who's kind of dealing with like training like normal? Uh,
26:02
Speaker 1: Like maybe that can be a good thing to share that.
26:05
Speaker 2: And I think that I remember when we recorded the
26:07
Speaker 2: first time, you talked a lot about how you were
26:09
Speaker 2: like trying to become a little bit more like open
26:12
Speaker 2: and vulnerable. Yeah, and social media. So I would imagine
26:15
Speaker 2: that in these instances when you do open up a
26:18
Speaker 2: little bit more, it's probably met with like a really
26:20
Speaker 2: great response. But then it's like every time you, like
26:23
Speaker 2: you read a DM or you deal with someone, it's
26:25
Speaker 2: like you have to continually keep processing like your feeling.
26:28
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I could see that. I've been so
26:31
Speaker 1: bad with dms lately. I need to get that going
26:33
Speaker 1: through them. But yeah, that's true, yeah, and that is
26:36
Speaker 1: part of the heart. I think that is one of
26:37
Speaker 1: the hard things about opening up is because I have
26:39
Speaker 1: had a lot of people ask me for like advice
26:43
Speaker 1: on like knee injuries because that's what I have. And
26:45
Speaker 1: the thing is, everyone's actually so different, So I'm like,
26:47
Speaker 1: I can speak from my personal experience, but just because
26:50
Speaker 1: this works for me doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna work
26:53
Speaker 1: for you too, because if that was the case, like,
26:57
Speaker 1: no one would ever have a knee injury because we
26:59
Speaker 1: know all the answers, or.
27:00
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be like all flocking to different like physical therapists.
27:03
Speaker 2: And I mean this point is just so important. I
27:05
Speaker 2: like have very I have like the most random injury
27:08
Speaker 2: right now, and that we think it's like a deep
27:09
Speaker 2: so as muscle strain, like it's like it's bizarre. But
27:13
Speaker 2: someone else like reaches out to me and they're like,
27:15
Speaker 2: I've been having pain in my lower right abdomen too,
27:18
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I'm not qualified to say anybody,
27:21
Speaker 2: do please go speak to a physician, have someone touched,
27:24
Speaker 2: get your hands on your body and like and really
27:27
Speaker 2: feel it out. Because again, we're all such individuals and
27:30
Speaker 2: it's something but I will also say this, I get
27:34
Speaker 2: a lot of messages, and I mean, I'm sure with
27:36
Speaker 2: you as well, Like most of my following is women
27:38
Speaker 2: and from the women that are in a place where
27:41
Speaker 2: that maybe they are on the injured list and they're
27:43
Speaker 2: frustrated that they can't move their body and they're a
27:45
Speaker 2: little worried about like how that's going to affect them
27:48
Speaker 2: in the long haul. I kind of liked where you
27:50
Speaker 2: were coming from just now. You were like, this is
27:52
Speaker 2: just the chapter in my story and it happens to everyone.
27:56
Speaker 2: I mean, any advice to those individuals that are like
27:59
Speaker 2: frustrated with feeling stagnant.
28:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the moment, it always feels like
28:04
Speaker 1: the biggest deal in the world, But then it's so
28:07
Speaker 1: interesting think of like a time you were injured like
28:09
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, and like remember how that
28:12
Speaker 1: felt going through it, and now looking back on it, it
28:14
Speaker 1: just seems kind of like a blip, like and you're
28:16
Speaker 1: like radar screen. And so not to downplay like it
28:20
Speaker 1: is tough and it's emotionally like hard, especially when you
28:23
Speaker 1: can't do the one thing like you love doing. But
28:25
Speaker 1: just remember, like and I feel like I've been the
28:28
Speaker 1: sports so long, like I can step back and be like, Yep,
28:30
Speaker 1: there are highs and lows in it. It's like the
28:32
Speaker 1: most cliche thing to say, but it's true. And so
28:34
Speaker 1: if you're on a low right now, just remember what
28:36
Speaker 1: comes next, because like it's just it's part of it.
28:39
Speaker 1: It's part of the whole journey. It's part of not
28:41
Speaker 1: sound cheesy, but it is. I know so many people
28:44
Speaker 1: actually who've had some other highest ties after their lowest lows.
28:47
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard conversations and I've had them
28:49
Speaker 1: with people where they're like, oh, I nearly quit the
28:51
Speaker 1: sport a year ago, and now like I'm so glad
28:53
Speaker 1: I didn't because like I just ran a pr I
28:56
Speaker 1: just like finished my first marathon. I made the Olympics, like.
29:00
Speaker 2: And like, these high moments can come in so many
29:03
Speaker 2: different forms, right It's interesting. I mean, like, for example,
29:06
Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast this morning with Slane
29:10
Speaker 2: and Slaine's talking about how right now a high for
29:12
Speaker 2: her is like appreciating running in a whole new way.
29:15
Speaker 2: And this appreciation of running has nothing to do with
29:17
Speaker 2: like getting another Olympic medal or it's just like a
29:20
Speaker 2: new appreciation of running with friends and like seeing in
29:23
Speaker 2: a new way and experiencing it as a mom and
29:25
Speaker 2: it's like, how cool is it that, Like we can
29:27
Speaker 2: frame our perspective like that, Like we can take these
29:31
Speaker 2: upswings after a dramatically low moment, a hurdle if you will,
29:35
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, right now, I have the opportunity
29:38
Speaker 2: to experience this in a way that maybe is different
29:41
Speaker 2: than before, but frame that in a way that can
29:44
Speaker 2: really be giving back to me in this moment.
29:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, feels like a relationship, like with running, that just
29:49
Speaker 1: evolves over time. Your perspective and approach can change over years,
29:52
Speaker 1: and it's a I think a very positive thing when
29:55
Speaker 1: you can step back and look at it like that, like,
29:57
Speaker 1: oh wow, like I'm enjoying in this whole like new way.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, perspective for sure, fresh perspective is always helpful.
30:04
Speaker 2: So for you, now that you may be about to
30:08
Speaker 2: get back into the swing of things, I think it's
30:09
Speaker 2: a really good opportunity for us to talk about maybe
30:12
Speaker 2: not taking on too much too soon, which can be
30:15
Speaker 2: the thing that we're like tempted.
30:17
Speaker 1: To do exactly.
30:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So for you, like, what will easing back
30:22
Speaker 2: into the swing of things really look like.
30:24
Speaker 1: Well, I will ease back in when my like I
30:27
Speaker 1: have like a team of people. It's like three people
30:29
Speaker 1: that I rely on, and when like we're all kind
30:31
Speaker 1: of in agreement, like yep, it's like it's time you're
30:34
Speaker 1: ready to ease back into it. I'll like get everyone's
30:38
Speaker 1: like advice and opinions and then yeah, it'll just kind
30:42
Speaker 1: of be like day by day, week by week seeing
30:45
Speaker 1: how things go. But it is like nice, how I
30:48
Speaker 1: said earlier, how I do always have my husband there
30:50
Speaker 1: because if like I remember once I tried getting back
30:53
Speaker 1: running and I was like doing a workout, I'm like
30:57
Speaker 1: I feel okay, and Shean's like, no, like you should stop.
31:02
Speaker 1: So if I have Shane there being like oh no,
31:04
Speaker 1: like there might be a fuel kings we need to
31:06
Speaker 1: work out still, Like, like I take what he says seriously.
31:09
Speaker 1: So I have people I rely on that I'll just
31:11
Speaker 1: kind of use them to kind of gauge how quickly
31:14
Speaker 1: I get back into things if we need to take
31:16
Speaker 1: steps back or if it's just like full speed ahead.
31:19
Speaker 1: Long answer, just rely on my sports team.
31:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Shane the chiropractor and who else my coach? Okay,
31:25
Speaker 2: got it. It's uh, it's interesting because again, like someone
31:28
Speaker 2: listening to this maybe more of an average Joe like me,
31:30
Speaker 2: like doesn't have like, you know, the stellar support squad
31:33
Speaker 2: in every aspect that you do. But here's this and
31:36
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, so maybe I should seek help. You
31:39
Speaker 2: see a chiropractor. Have you ever? Is there a reason specifically,
31:43
Speaker 2: like for the chiropractor over maybe going to a physical
31:46
Speaker 2: therapist or like how did you find this relationship?
31:49
Speaker 1: Yeah? So his name's John Ball. You probably have heard
31:51
Speaker 1: him mentioned on a bunch of podcasts. I feel like
31:54
Speaker 1: every professional runner's probably seen him. But yeah, he I
31:58
Speaker 1: mean he's technically a chiropractor, but he does a lot
32:00
Speaker 1: of like like physical therapy, like strength work. Like I
32:04
Speaker 1: get like my whole like strength routine from him, Like
32:07
Speaker 1: he kind of helps me figure out what my weaknesses are,
32:09
Speaker 1: what I need to work on. And yeah, I don't know.
32:11
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's had I've had the most
32:14
Speaker 1: success like working with him, and so I'm so many
32:16
Speaker 1: professional runners, so he's kind of like this behind the scenes. Yeah, man,
32:21
Speaker 1: that just like helps a lot of us.
32:23
Speaker 2: Right now, we talked about easying back into the swing
32:25
Speaker 2: of things. Obviously we're here in New York, marathon weekend.
32:28
Speaker 2: This is tabled for now. What do you kind of
32:30
Speaker 2: foresee coming down the pipe for you?
32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to do another marathon for sure, So
32:36
Speaker 1: I think either this spring. I could wait until next fall,
32:40
Speaker 1: but I kind of like i'd love to do one
32:42
Speaker 1: in the spring. I don't know which one yet because
32:45
Speaker 1: a lot of like the typical spring marathons, like I
32:48
Speaker 1: know London's actually not happening in the spring, or that
32:50
Speaker 1: would have been a fun one to do again, but
32:51
Speaker 1: I heard that's in the fall next year, So yeah,
32:54
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think probably spring marathon. I'd like
32:56
Speaker 1: to run some fast halves, but hey, I'm not totally
33:01
Speaker 1: done on the track, but I think I am done
33:03
Speaker 1: with like full track seasons, so I might like hop
33:06
Speaker 1: on for like usays here there. But yeah, I think
33:09
Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of shift my focus to the
33:10
Speaker 1: roads for the most part, and yeah, just see what
33:13
Speaker 1: I can do there.
33:14
Speaker 2: Man, shift your focus to the roads. When you say
33:17
Speaker 2: a fast half marathon, just like give them some insight
33:20
Speaker 2: as to like how fast your half marathon is.
33:23
Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to go after the American record again.
33:26
Speaker 1: Molly's I was like one second off of it in Valencia,
33:29
Speaker 1: and I remember like when I crossed the finish line
33:32
Speaker 1: saw that I was like, what one second over like
33:38
Speaker 1: an hour and like seven and a half minutes, Like
33:40
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
33:42
Speaker 2: One other thing that I wanted to kind of rewind
33:44
Speaker 2: and ask you about, obviously this year with the Olympics
33:47
Speaker 2: being on like other Olympics in years past, with everything
33:50
Speaker 2: that's going on in our world on top of that,
33:52
Speaker 2: for you arriving there, having a little odd of a
33:56
Speaker 2: build up for the last few weeks before beforehand, A
34:00
Speaker 2: lot of athletes spoke about how lonely that experience was
34:03
Speaker 2: at times because we couldn't see, they couldn't travel with
34:07
Speaker 2: their conventional teams. For you navigating this injury at that
34:10
Speaker 2: time and kind of being there without the entire support squad,
34:14
Speaker 2: how was that?
34:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, you know it worked out, Okay, I like
34:19
Speaker 1: talked to pretty much my support squad every day, so
34:22
Speaker 1: that helped. But yeah, I'm used I work with my
34:25
Speaker 1: coach Ray remotely anyway. He lives in Providence or he
34:28
Speaker 1: lives in Rhode Island and I'm in Arizona, so I'm
34:31
Speaker 1: like used to working with him remotely. But then I
34:34
Speaker 1: talked to my husband Shane and I talked to my
34:36
Speaker 1: chiroprector John too while I was there a lot, so
34:39
Speaker 1: I was constantly in touch with people, just like keeping
34:43
Speaker 1: tabs on things. But then I did have help from
34:45
Speaker 1: people in Tokyo that I wasn't expecting, like my last
34:49
Speaker 1: like workout, which was like all my workouts were like
34:52
Speaker 1: baby workouts. They were like two or three rops of
34:53
Speaker 1: a workout, but my last workout in Tokyo, like Joe
34:56
Speaker 1: Bossard was there for it, which was really nice. He's
34:58
Speaker 1: like here, I'll like time you and he even took
35:00
Speaker 1: some videos, which was nice so I could send them
35:03
Speaker 1: to like to my chiropractice so he could look at them.
35:06
Speaker 1: And then like on race day, like I remember like
35:10
Speaker 1: Chalaine actually and like daythan both like helped me out
35:13
Speaker 1: with things like my like ice best randomly went missing.
35:16
Speaker 1: I like I can find it from the cooler, and
35:19
Speaker 1: like I didn't have anyone there because we'd try to
35:23
Speaker 1: see if my husband could go, but it was very
35:26
Speaker 1: strict with all the COVID, which like is understandable, but
35:31
Speaker 1: I didn't have anyone there, but like a lot of
35:33
Speaker 1: people like it was kind of nice, like like helped
35:35
Speaker 1: me out and like you said like I didn't, like
35:39
Speaker 1: maybe a few years ago, I would have felt bad
35:41
Speaker 1: asking for help, but I was just really thankful and
35:44
Speaker 1: I sent like just somethinky messages afterwards to people like Hey,
35:47
Speaker 1: thanks for that. I appreciated it.
35:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I think, I mean, I think also
35:51
Speaker 2: like this is another example of having to like reframe
35:53
Speaker 2: your perspective and accept like how things are now right,
35:56
Speaker 2: because it could have been like really easy in that moment,
35:59
Speaker 2: like be frustrated, like why isn't anyone here with me?
36:02
Speaker 2: Like why am I the one that's like navigating this
36:04
Speaker 2: alone and like other people have like somehow managed to
36:07
Speaker 2: have a coach here or whatever. But instead to pivot
36:09
Speaker 2: and like just accept this and you're like, well, this
36:11
Speaker 2: is how it is.
36:11
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah it is. And I'm also like I am
36:14
Speaker 1: used to having to travel to some races alone anyway,
36:17
Speaker 1: and ideally, like it would be nice if I always
36:20
Speaker 1: had like a support team there or sport person there.
36:23
Speaker 1: My husband actually is he's planning on traveling to more
36:26
Speaker 1: of my races and now he's taking a little bit
36:28
Speaker 1: of a step back from work to help me with that.
36:31
Speaker 1: But but I am kind of used to it at
36:33
Speaker 1: the same time, and I know, like I'm people of
36:36
Speaker 1: doing a lot on my own, and I know also
36:37
Speaker 1: when I need to lean on people for help.
36:39
Speaker 2: So I feel like a lot of individuals struggle with
36:41
Speaker 2: that though, right, like getting good at doing things on
36:44
Speaker 2: their own.
36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I kind of just didn't know any
36:47
Speaker 1: different when I like kind of graduate from college. I
36:50
Speaker 1: was kind of doing a lot on my own for
36:52
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, Like I overlapped with Molly
36:54
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there, but I was pretty
36:57
Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own for a lot
36:58
Speaker 1: of it. And then when Shane started helping me with
37:02
Speaker 1: workouts and like travel and stuff, I was like, wholl
37:05
Speaker 1: this makes a huge difference. I can never not have
37:09
Speaker 1: you or someone doing work. Yeah, Like it does make
37:13
Speaker 1: a difference having a support team. But I think because
37:15
Speaker 1: I didn't really know any different at first, Like I like,
37:18
Speaker 1: I'm less flustered when I am somewhere I'm stuck somewhere
37:21
Speaker 1: on my own, I kind of I know what to do.
37:25
Speaker 2: When you look at the last I would say, like
37:28
Speaker 2: four or five months kind of in the thick of
37:31
Speaker 2: what you've been going through, anyone, has anyone given you
37:35
Speaker 2: any advice that you keep coming back to.
37:37
Speaker 1: But I do feel like over the years, I've just
37:39
Speaker 1: collected a lot of advice, yeah, dealing with injuries just
37:42
Speaker 1: in general, and I do feel like this one I've
37:44
Speaker 1: had the healthiest approach with in that I'm like less
37:48
Speaker 1: stressed about it. And maybe it's easier because I had,
37:51
Speaker 1: like I am really happy with the year I had,
37:53
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm thankful for everything my body was
37:56
Speaker 1: able to do for me in twenty twenty one, So
37:59
Speaker 1: maybe it was a little easy to like step back
38:02
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, this shouldn't be completely shocking
38:04
Speaker 1: that after a year training at like a high level,
38:06
Speaker 1: my body needs a bit of rest. But yeah, I
38:09
Speaker 1: think I don't know, just like constantly reminding myself like
38:13
Speaker 1: this is temporary, yeah, and then just I'm viewing it
38:17
Speaker 1: like how I kind of like picture it in my
38:19
Speaker 1: mind right now. I'm like I'm just recharging, like I
38:22
Speaker 1: am just like right now getting ready to go, Like
38:24
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this downtime with my family, like spending time
38:27
Speaker 1: with my husband, and I'm trying to make the most
38:30
Speaker 1: of it. I'm very intentional with my time and when
38:33
Speaker 1: I'm like getting treatment or when i'm doing my strength routines,
38:36
Speaker 1: Like I'm paying attention and I'm listening and trying to
38:39
Speaker 1: make sure I'm kind of getting things down right. But yeah,
38:43
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm just like getting stronger. I'm just
38:45
Speaker 1: biding my time and I'm trying to learn too, and
38:48
Speaker 1: then when it's time to go, I'm just gonna I'm
38:50
Speaker 1: gonna be so excited.
38:51
Speaker 2: I think, like one of the best things that you
38:54
Speaker 2: hear from individuals who have overcome injury often they say
38:57
Speaker 2: that they utilize that time to work on something else
39:01
Speaker 2: that they hadn't been giving that focus while they were
39:04
Speaker 2: quote unquote in their best form. So like right now,
39:07
Speaker 2: for you, maybe strength training in a way that you
39:09
Speaker 2: hadn't been over the last like handful of months, or
39:13
Speaker 2: taking the time to like again like spend time with
39:16
Speaker 2: family or whatnot. It's like all of these we have.
39:18
Speaker 2: We have so many buckets in our life, and like
39:20
Speaker 2: oftentimes it's easy to like keep pouring into like bucket
39:23
Speaker 2: A and bucket B, but then you forget to pour
39:25
Speaker 2: into CD and exactly when you're injured, it's like, oh, shoot,
39:28
Speaker 2: now I like actually can put some stuff in CD
39:30
Speaker 2: and E and realize maybe going forward that you can
39:33
Speaker 2: do some more of that more often, even if you're
39:35
Speaker 2: given giving to the first two buckets.
39:37
Speaker 1: I didn't put that better, that's so true. But to
39:39
Speaker 1: all of that, yeah, I think for me, the hardest
39:42
Speaker 1: part with my job, I think is like missing out
39:44
Speaker 1: on like family events, like missing out on weddings and holidays.
39:49
Speaker 1: And I was able to go to my cousin's wedding
39:50
Speaker 1: in Chicago a couple of weeks ago, and if I
39:52
Speaker 1: was doing New York, like I probably wouldn't have gone.
39:55
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, like I need to make
39:57
Speaker 1: more time for this because like I miss seeing like
40:01
Speaker 1: my aunts and my uncles and my grandfather and my cousins,
40:05
Speaker 1: Like I need to make time for this in my
40:07
Speaker 1: life too. So I think that was kind of a
40:09
Speaker 1: good reminder to like take advantage of like my breaks
40:13
Speaker 1: and my downtime and really focus on those relationships. And
40:16
Speaker 1: then yeah, like focusing on strength training and how like
40:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to have been incorporating that into my routine,
40:22
Speaker 1: but still like you can always learn, you can always
40:25
Speaker 1: get like like you can always learn, you can always
40:28
Speaker 1: get better, and so really focusing on what broke down,
40:32
Speaker 1: what needs some work, and what I can improve upon
40:35
Speaker 1: so hopefully, Like, I don't think I'll be like bulletproof,
40:38
Speaker 1: but maybe the next time I have an injury it'll
40:39
Speaker 1: be a little less severe.
40:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're already mentally approaching them better and better
40:43
Speaker 2: every time. It happens with experience, And that's like such
40:46
Speaker 2: such a big deal. Any must do things while you're
40:49
Speaker 2: in New York. Besides, you know, just the events, any places, a.
40:53
Speaker 1: Lot of events. I'm actually meeting up with some of
40:54
Speaker 1: my friends from college tomorrow, which is kind of nice,
40:58
Speaker 1: have dinner with a couple of them, and then yeah,
41:00
Speaker 1: just like getting to catch up with people and getting
41:03
Speaker 1: to see everything, what's going on marathon weekend, getting to
41:06
Speaker 1: see that magic happen again.
41:08
Speaker 2: Well, I'm grateful that one of your stops on your
41:11
Speaker 2: New York tour was the Hurdle Studio.
41:13
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for having me, Emily.
41:15
Speaker 2: How do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do
41:16
Speaker 2: they follow along with you? Give me the details.
41:18
Speaker 1: I mostly post on Instagram. It's m Underscore assistant. Underscore
41:23
Speaker 1: occasionally tweet like twice a year. That's the rare tweet
41:27
Speaker 1: you actually can tell you my Twitter handle, Oh wow,
41:30
Speaker 1: it's oh jeez, it's probably am Underscore system or M System.
41:34
Speaker 2: Well, it'll be in the show notes, don't you worry.
41:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's about it.
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Speaker 2: That's it. I'm over at Emily a Body and at
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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle conquered. Gotch you guys, Next time.