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Tot girl in PJ's wandering in parking lot goes missing. Where is 5-year-old Taylor Rose? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Do you ever notice your neighbor's children or the children
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  Speaker 1: you see at drop off or pick up at school?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember which one is which, which one didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a coat on, which one looked disheveled or dirty? Well,
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  Speaker 1: neighbors notice that little Tillor Rose always walked around the
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex, pretty upscale apartment complex too, in the same
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  Speaker 1: paint and purple pajamas, always carrying the same doll. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: even in the parking lot. They notice when they looked
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  Speaker 1: through the family's sliding glass door that she would be
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  Speaker 1: in there alone, never saw anyone else in there. But
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  Speaker 1: then Tillor Rose goes missing. I Nancy Grace, This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories Crime Stories with Navly Grace. In the morning
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  Speaker 1: hours of Wednesday, in November six jun Taylor was reported
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  Speaker 1: missing from their family home on Ivy Street, located on
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  Speaker 1: the north side of Jacksonville. So since that time, more
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  Speaker 1: than three hundred officers and a host of assets from
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  Speaker 1: our Canade Unit, Mounted Unit, Died Team Air Unit have
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  Speaker 1: all responded to carry out various aspects of the search.
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  Speaker 1: Officers have knocked on more than six hundred doors in
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  Speaker 1: the last thirty hours in an attempt to gain some
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  Speaker 1: additional information. I want to take a minute and say
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  Speaker 1: that we're thankful for our partners in the community and
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  Speaker 1: the surrounding counties who provided us with additional manpowered helping
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  Speaker 1: these efforts. Our partners at Jackson Fire Rescue have been
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  Speaker 1: assisting with various searches, and surrounding state, local, and federal
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  Speaker 1: partners have sent search teams and are continuing to assist
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  Speaker 1: in various aspects of this investigation. And here's what we know.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Brianna Williams was the last person to
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  Speaker 1: see Taylor, so we remain hopeful that we'll find Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to stop on our efforts to locator,
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  Speaker 1: and there's not one scenario or theory that we're not exploring,
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  Speaker 1: and every possibility is being looked at. Where is five
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  Speaker 1: year old Taylor Rose Williams. I'm looking at her photo
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  Speaker 1: right now and I just can't help but think about
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  Speaker 1: the twins, John David and Lucy at age five, so tiny,
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  Speaker 1: so helpless. What happened to this little girl? You were
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  Speaker 1: just hearing the voice of our friend, Sheriff Mike Williams, who,
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  Speaker 1: as you hear in his own words, really doing everything
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  Speaker 1: they can knock you on over six hundred doors, pulling
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  Speaker 1: out all the stops to find Taylor Rose Williams. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with me, with us an all star panel, and I
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  Speaker 1: can't be more sincere Ashley Wilcot with me judge, trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: anchor Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot
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  Speaker 1: dot com, Stephen Lampley, detective and author, outside your Door
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon, joining me at John Professor, Columbia University, Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe Ellis forensics expert, Karen Smith, founder of Bear
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  Speaker 1: Bones Consulting. But right now, to Crime online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lee Egan, Let's just start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Who is Taylor Rose Williams? Where was she last seen?
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Well, Taylor Rose Williams is a five year old
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  Speaker 1: little girl supposedly last seen in the Rentwood area of Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: What right there? You know? Maybe it's just me, but
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  Speaker 1: when I hear the word supposedly seen Ashley Wilcott, that
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  Speaker 1: just sets off all sorts of alarms in my head.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you hear somebody says supposedly or according to
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  Speaker 1: or well from what I know or even to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, you're not honest other times. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I hear supposedly last scene, that makes me think
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  Speaker 1: it may not be true. Is it just me if
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  Speaker 1: I've been in the courtroom wait too long? No, not
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  Speaker 1: at all, because supposedly not seen, you know, to me,
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  Speaker 1: that's like a piece of property something you sat down,
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  Speaker 1: like I've that my cell phoned down. Well oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well you know, supposedly I think it was over there
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  Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. That's not about a five year old.
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  Speaker 1: A five year old is not something that no one
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  Speaker 1: can say exactly when they were last seen. There should
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  Speaker 1: be a definitive this is where this child was last
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about a missing five year old
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  Speaker 1: little girl. And according to Lee Egan, La Lee, I
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  Speaker 1: am so sorry. What were you saying? Supposedly seen where when?
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  Speaker 1: November six, in the Brentwood area of Jacksonville is where
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  Speaker 1: her mother, Brianna Williams, says she was last seen. But
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  Speaker 1: Brianna is the only person that says that no one
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  Speaker 1: else her family hasn't seen her in years. Neighbors hadn't
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  Speaker 1: seen her in months, family hasn't seen her in years. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a problem with that too. Guys, this is
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  Speaker 1: exactly the kind of discussion you would hear at the
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  Speaker 1: district attorney's office when we're trying to figure out a case,
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  Speaker 1: or in the cops and the police station headquarters in
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  Speaker 1: the hallway trying to make sense of something that seems illogical.
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  Speaker 1: But to Stephen Lampley, detective author of Outside your Door,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, when a child goes missing, what's the first
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  Speaker 1: thing cops do? Want to ask you? There's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things that we do. First of all, we start
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  Speaker 1: organizing a search. Part of your officers could begin looking
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  Speaker 1: and canvassing the neighborhood. The second thing, we started looking
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  Speaker 1: for potential suspects in case this is foul play. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be doing a couple of things right
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  Speaker 1: off the bat. So the due to those are the
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  Speaker 1: two things we're looking at. Okay, this is what I know.
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  Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder Barebones Consulting, when a
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  Speaker 1: child goes missing, the first thing you do is immediately
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  Speaker 1: searched the area where the child last was. And I've
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  Speaker 1: told the story many times about when John Davy went
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  Speaker 1: missing inside of a giant babies are us and I
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  Speaker 1: was looking for don't judge me, organic sunscreen way down
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  Speaker 1: on the bottom of a shelf which was at floor level.
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  Speaker 1: So I was down there on my hands and knees,
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  Speaker 1: looking literally and the shelves get way up above my reach.
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  Speaker 1: I turned around. Lucy was there. John David was not.
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  Speaker 1: So the first thing you do is sound the alarm,
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  Speaker 1: which I did by screaming, to lock the doors and
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  Speaker 1: start literally running, because a child, if they've got a
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  Speaker 1: head start, can out run you. They can hide a
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  Speaker 1: little nooks and crannies you would never think of. So
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  Speaker 1: the very first thing you do is searched the area.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a park, you got to look in all
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  Speaker 1: of the plate equipment, you got to look in the
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  Speaker 1: little fits. In a home, thinking back to the John
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  Speaker 1: ban A Ramsey case, you got to look under every bed,
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  Speaker 1: in every closet in the garage. In the cars, what
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  Speaker 1: if she's playing in the car. My little nephew and
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  Speaker 1: I would sit in the car for an hour pretending
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  Speaker 1: we're driving to Savannah and back where he was living.
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  Speaker 1: In that case, remember they didn't look down. Amazingly what
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  Speaker 1: a coinkie. Dnk didn't look in the one room in
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  Speaker 1: the home where John ban a walk. Long story short,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta start looking. Then when you don't find them,
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  Speaker 1: you can't waste any time. You have to call police
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  Speaker 1: immediately because if your child is where the predator in
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  Speaker 1: a car, they're going sixty mph, that's right, and they're
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  Speaker 1: sixty miles away in an hour, So help me out. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Nancy, that's exactly what we do. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: it takes time to put together these search teams. So
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  Speaker 1: you have one or two responding officers. You put out
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  Speaker 1: a bolow of be on the lookout. All the officers
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  Speaker 1: from the area start swarming. They start formulating all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of like cordening off the area, and they start searching
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  Speaker 1: block after block after block, knocking on neighbors doors. And
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  Speaker 1: at that point, if you don't find the child, after
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  Speaker 1: you've looked in every nook and cranny, listen, minutes become
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  Speaker 1: hours very very quickly. You can put out what's called
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  Speaker 1: an amber alert. And if you sense that this child
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  Speaker 1: has been abducted and that their life is in danger,
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  Speaker 1: or that they are in some kind of other danger,
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  Speaker 1: that is when the amber alert gets sounded. Okay, we'll
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  Speaker 1: beat to Egan joining me investigative reporter with crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot com, where you can find this in all other
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  Speaker 1: breaking criming justice. And he's including the story about Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Rose Willie was five years old, who goes missing? Lee,
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  Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about their home. So she
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  Speaker 1: was last seen in the home? Is it an apartment?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a free standing structure. Is it a condo
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  Speaker 1: attached to, you know, other town homes. Is it an
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  Speaker 1: a gated community? What can you tell me? Does the
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  Speaker 1: mother live alone? Does she drive back and forth to work?
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  Speaker 1: Where does this child in daycare? Tell me Lee? Everything? Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: the last place that the neighbors saw the baby in
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  Speaker 1: was an apartment complex on the south side of Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: on November third. Wait, does that mean that's where they live?
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  Speaker 1: They live in an apartment complex and near Jacksonville. They did,
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  Speaker 1: they did? Okay, So whoa, whoa, whoa stop right there,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley. Okay, that gives me another problem. You got
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  Speaker 1: a huge problem in an apartment complex. I'll tell you why,
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  Speaker 1: because you're around. Depending on the size of the apartment,
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  Speaker 1: every single person living there two hundred, three hundred, five
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  Speaker 1: hundred inhabitants every one of them is a suspect. You
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that child went out on the playground
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  Speaker 1: or went to the swimming pool, or is just playing
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  Speaker 1: outside on the back stoop. Anybody could take her in
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  Speaker 1: an apartment complex, that's right, and that's a problem you've got.
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  Speaker 1: You got immediately. You've got to, like you said, two, three,
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  Speaker 1: four or five hundred homes to be looking at. That
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  Speaker 1: is a challenge, especially if you have any small department.
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  Speaker 1: Now Jacksonville, of course is not, but you have an
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  Speaker 1: immediate issue right there with looking at you know, shovel
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  Speaker 1: one hundred homes, and not just the homes. You've got
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  Speaker 1: the laundry room, You've got the recreation area, you have
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  Speaker 1: the playground, you have the pool, you have the pool house.
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  Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on about where a
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  Speaker 1: child could be missing if the family lives in an
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back, hy
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. The disappearance of Taylor Rose Williams has reverberated
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  Speaker 1: throughout the Jacksonville community. What happened to the five year
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  Speaker 1: old little girl, lasting apparently by mom Brianna or possibly
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  Speaker 1: by neighbors. We were just speaking with Lee Egan, investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter with Crime online dot Com, who advised us that
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  Speaker 1: they were living mom and baby living in an apartment complex.
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  Speaker 1: But now we are learning the timeline shows that just
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  Speaker 1: before baby Taylor goes missing, mommy moves from that apartment,
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  Speaker 1: Lee egan to where did she move? She moved around
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  Speaker 1: eighteen miles away to the Brentwood area of Jacksonville. And
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  Speaker 1: when she moved, they moved into a single family home
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  Speaker 1: in a neighbor hood, a lot less. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: a neighborhood, so they have neighbors around that can you know,
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  Speaker 1: see what's going on. But it wasn't as crowded and
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  Speaker 1: jumbled in as the apartment complex was. Now I understand
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan that the mom moved to a house and
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  Speaker 1: that after that move it's when Taylor Rose goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: But Steve Lampley, detective and author of Outside Your Door,
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  Speaker 1: what do the neighbors in the apartment complex say, Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: They several neighbors in the complex would see this little
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  Speaker 1: girl walking around the complex now five years old, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: five years old, walking around the complex by herself. They
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  Speaker 1: would look in the apartment sometimes and see this girl
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  Speaker 1: from all appearances in the apartment by herself. This girl
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  Speaker 1: was left along you mean through the sliding glass door. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they would single through the sliding glass door by herself,
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  Speaker 1: apparently with no adult supervision whatsoever. So they don't know
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  Speaker 1: that from the outside looking in, they just see the
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  Speaker 1: girl in there through the sliding glass door. So she
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  Speaker 1: must be on I guess the ground level in the
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex. Now you're telling me that the neighbors would
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  Speaker 1: see her through the sliding glass door, but then suddenly
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  Speaker 1: one day they didn't see her anymore. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friends at CBS News is Maria Villareal. Over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend, Taylor's family moved out of this apartment complex.
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  Speaker 1: Tiffany Nicole says she helped them Sunday. The whole forty
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  Speaker 1: five minutes we were there loading things up. I never
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  Speaker 1: once saw a child. It is strange because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know she had a little girl. Investigators
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  Speaker 1: are asking anyone who's seeing Taylor with her mother in
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  Speaker 1: the area in the last six months to call police.
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  Speaker 1: So we remain hopeful that we'll find Taylor. We're not
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  Speaker 1: going to stop at our efforts to locate her. Marianna
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  Speaker 1: Williams is a petty officer stationed with the Navy here
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but most of her family is in Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why Florida authorities are working with law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: in Alabama. Right now, Okay, I've got a problem. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: as you might say, I've got many, many problems, but
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  Speaker 1: right now my problem is that someone helping them on move,
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  Speaker 1: a friend of Brianna Williams, did not know she had
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  Speaker 1: a child. Didn't know she had a daughter. Did I
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  Speaker 1: hear that correctly, Lee Egan? Isn't that what the guy
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  Speaker 1: just said. I didn't even know she had a daughter,
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. I'm not sure if they were friends or acquaintances,
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  Speaker 1: because I know that Brianna hire these people to help her,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know if she took out an ad
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  Speaker 1: to hire them or they were friends. But whoever they were,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't do They never saw the child, not even one.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's interesting to doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, who is
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  Speaker 1: a professor at Columbia University. Psychologist Doctor Debbie, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean to do this, but I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: can have a full I guess I could if I tried,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't recall a full on conversation with anyone
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  Speaker 1: over a period of thirty minutes. Let's say that I
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  Speaker 1: don't bring up the twins, one of them or both
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  Speaker 1: of them. When you have a child and they play
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  Speaker 1: such a big role in your life, I find that
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  Speaker 1: very odd that you don't even mention them, or a
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  Speaker 1: friend doesn't know you have children, or movers don't notice
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  Speaker 1: they're moving baby stuff or children's clothing or furniture or toys.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that it would take somebody forever to cart
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  Speaker 1: out all the twins stuff out of our place. How
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  Speaker 1: could the movers not know she had a daughter? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy. It's unusual, it's alarming, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge red flag because a healthy mother, in
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  Speaker 1: other words, a woman who is a mother, who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have severely disturbing issues, would share about ardents that there
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  Speaker 1: was a child or children in her life. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that strikes me as I've been listening
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  Speaker 1: to you and your guests, is I'm seeing and hearing
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  Speaker 1: social isolation and and that it's becoming more and more
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  Speaker 1: a norm where people in a community don't bother to
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  Speaker 1: get to know a neighbor, don't talk to them. It
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  Speaker 1: seems this is increasingly a new Norman. And what society
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  Speaker 1: seems to be hungry for, if our goal is to
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  Speaker 1: care for our children and adult individuals, is to restore
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  Speaker 1: a norm of social interest where we do become aware.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I noticed some publicity for this new Tom
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  Speaker 1: Hanks film about mister Rogers, and that was one of
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  Speaker 1: his popular messages. Let's teach children to care for others
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  Speaker 1: so that when they're adults, they care about others. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, You're right, doctor Dabby Joffe Ellis. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly not into any possession to argue with an adjunct
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  Speaker 1: professor at Columbia University. Oh sure you are. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: human too argue with men. But okay, since you asked,
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, all that is true, and all that
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. How could this quirrel? According to the
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  Speaker 1: court documents we've managed to obtain, and you can read
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  Speaker 1: about them at crime Alone dot com, a neighbors says
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  Speaker 1: in court documents that they observed Tylor Rose home alone
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  Speaker 1: at least every other day, and she was always wearing
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  Speaker 1: the same pajamas and always holding the same doll. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with holding the same doll because I had
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  Speaker 1: a Missus Beasley and I love that doll so much.
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  Speaker 1: I also had a Thumbelina, and mysteriously they both went missing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to those dolls, but after that,
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  Speaker 1: I just tore the heads off my sister's barbies. Probably
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  Speaker 1: something to do with the you're what concerned about you?
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  Speaker 1: I am too, I'm sure now in retrospect that means
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  Speaker 1: something very serious. Ashley Willcot holding the same doll doesn't
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  Speaker 1: bother me, but always in the same Pja's neighbors see
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  Speaker 1: her out and about alone, unattended, every other day. Here's
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  Speaker 1: my hope, is that, or wish, is that they had
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  Speaker 1: called someone about that, call the police for a welfare check.
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  Speaker 1: Because remember, this child, this daughter, this beautiful little girl,
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  Speaker 1: is only five. And to see a child of that
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  Speaker 1: age unintended, unattended once maybe, but multiple times, all of
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  Speaker 1: the time, hearing the child by themselves, unsupervised, same clothes,
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  Speaker 1: all of those things amount to neglect in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Well another thing, and this is breaking my heart. I
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  Speaker 1: hate to even say it. When people would approach the
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  Speaker 1: little girl walking around the parking lot. I said, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing in the parking lot and she's say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for my mommy, looking for my mommy. They
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  Speaker 1: are two, way, way too many red flags in this scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody could have taken this child out of the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: But I want you now to listen to what we've
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  Speaker 1: learned from our friends at CBS forty seven, Fox thirty.
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  Speaker 1: This is Courtney Cole talking. Brianna Williams didn't report Taylor's
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  Speaker 1: disappearance until asked Wednesday, November sixth, but a former neighbor
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  Speaker 1: told the detective the last time he saw Brianna and
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  Speaker 1: Taylor together was May twenty first, but before that he's
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  Speaker 1: seen a little girl wandering alone several times. Brianna tried
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  Speaker 1: to tell police her mother in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, was taking
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  Speaker 1: care of Taylor unless she drove down there on Halloween
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  Speaker 1: to pick her up, but it turns out William's mother
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen little Taylor Rose since January twenty nineteen. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the maternal and paternal grandparents said they hadn't seen Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Rose any more than a year. Detectives also asked about
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  Speaker 1: childcare over the last few months, and according to the reports,
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  Speaker 1: Brianna told police Taylor had been attending daycare at Nasjacks.
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  Speaker 1: Then she said she had a schedule change that caused
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  Speaker 1: her to pull Taylor from regular daycare. Warren says Taylor
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  Speaker 1: previously attended kindergarten daycare, So we stopped by the facility
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: closest to where Brianna lived on Jacksonville South Side. When
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I went inside to ask if they could confirm Taylor
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Rose came to this facility at the front desk told
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: me she didn't recognize the girl and didn't remember seeing her.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace and a neighbor here at
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Southside Villas actually told investigators that he would see little
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Taylor Rose alone every other day. She would often wave
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to him from her apartment, and he said he noticed
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: she always had on those same pajamas with that same
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: little doll. A neighbor of Rihanna's only identified and this arrest.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Warren as a b told detectives the first time he
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: noticed Taylor Rose wandering Southside Villas alone was on April seventeenth.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: It was eight or nine in the morning, and a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: little girl told him she was quote looking for my mama,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so he took a little girl back to her apartment.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: He said she was wearing the same purple and pink
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: pajamas her mother claims she was wearing we should Disappear.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Last week. He described the inside of the apartment as
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: cluttered with trash bags and boxes stacked on top of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: each other. Aby said he also noticed Taylor alone again
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: two more times in May. The last time he saw
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Taylor and Brianna together was on May twenty first. When
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Aby asked Brianna where the child was, she told him
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with her grandparents in Alabama. He told investigators he had
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: not seen any visitors or boyfriends at the apartment. That's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: her friend, Courtney Cole at CBS forty seven, Fox thirty reporting,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a picture of Taylor Rose Williams
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is five years old right now, and she's clutching a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: little pillow that says taller one and it's covered with
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: pictures of doctor McStuffins. I don't know if you know
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: who that is. It's I think she's on PBS, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: she's a lady doctor that fixes everybody and drives around
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in a mobile unit. And she's just clutching that her
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: little brown brown eyes, just looking out with a big
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: smile on her face. She's got a little old pink
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Baret's her hair. It's so easy for a child to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: just slip through the cracks. The kindergarten doesn't know what
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: happened to her, or the school doesn't know, the daycare
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't know. It saw up to the parent and the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: parents not taking care of the child. There's really no
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: record before they're in first grade as to where they are.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: We are talking about a five year old little girl,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Teller Rose Williams, and you hear from a neighbor the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: state of the interior of that apartment, and that neighbor
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: goes on to say that he had thank goodness, he
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was kind and well wishing, because anybody could have taken
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that child and molested and killed her. Mom would have
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: known she out wandering in the parking lot, her pj's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: clutching a dog. All. He took her back to the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: apartment and saw inside and that it was not a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: good living condition for this little girl. The mom was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a chief petty officer in the military. She's making good money.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: To Ashley Wilcot, you know, the neighbor has commented several
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: times she was always wearing the same Pejason, always holding
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the same doll. You know, when I dropped the children off,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I notice who, for instance, in cold weather, is still
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: wearing shorts. I notice who doesn't have a coat on.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I notice when I'm over there for whatever reason, which
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: children look dirty or disheveled, or their hair's not done.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Or I hear at the supper table who never has
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a snack? Who the children gives their snacks too, because
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: they're not packed one. You know, people know what's going on,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: whether they're told point blank or not. Ashley. That's what
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: bothers me so much in this case, and that is
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: any There were so many different red flags. People knew,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: people suspected, they should have done something, They should have reported.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: We know statistically a lot of times people will not
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: report because they don't want to get involved. They don't
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: want to deal with the system, the breureaucracy, the DHR,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the agency that protects children, the law enforcement. They're afraid.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But the reality is, had someone one person, one person,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Nancy stepped up, like you said, who knew this child
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was wandering looking for her mother, living in a house
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and deplorable conditions? If one person had stepped up, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: promise you we would have this child. Now take a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: listen to Maria Villareality CBS. Brianna Williams said when she
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: woke up Wednesday morning, her daughter was gone, but the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: sheriff is now saying there are some inconsistencyats in her story.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Search teams have knocked on more than six hundred doors,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: looking inside dumpsters, and divers scouring a nearby lake hoping
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to find five year old Taylor Williams, and while nothing
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: substantial has been found, a volunteer say they don't want
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to give up until they find out what happened to her.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: We know that Brianna Williams was the last person to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: seat Taylor and we need for her to cooperate with
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams, says Taylor's Mombrianna was initially working with police,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: but is now no longer cooperating. We were talking to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: her about some inconsistencies in her statement and that's what
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: she chose to stop cooperating. Lillister, the young girl's mother,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: reportedly told police when she woke up Wednesday morning, Taylor
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't in her bedroom and the back door was open,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but Sheriff Williams as investigators do not believe the five
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: year old walked away from the home. Interesting, why do
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they believe the five year old did not walk away
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: from the home to Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Bare Bones Consulting in Florida, Karen, first of all, I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: would order forensic testing inside the apartment and inside the home,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: both of them. And yes, the apartment may have been
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: claimed and a new family living there, but that doesn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: mean that trace evidence invisible to the naked eye is
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: not still on walls or surface as well as the home.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Where do they go right now? And why do you
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: believe cops don't think she just walked to have an
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: open door for Pete say she's done it repeatedly because
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: mommy wasn't watching her. Well, that's true, but you have
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: inconsistent statements from the mother, Brianna Williams. That's their first clue.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: She started spinning a story. And you know, good detectives.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I worked with all these people. I know they're good detectives.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: They're dad gum good at what they do. And the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: first time that Brenna Williams started spinning that story is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the first time they went, hold on a minute. They're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: going to look for any type of fourth century on
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that rear door. If they didn't find any, that's a clue.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to go into her bedroom. Did they find
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: any evidence that there was a struggle, there's a clue.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to go back to that apartment. And you're right,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: if it's been re rented, and likely it has. It's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a very busy part of Jacksonville. But even if it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: been re rented, if that child was harmed in that apartment,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you know what they do to apartments when they rerent them.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: They might vacuum the carpet and run a real quick
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: cleaner over it, but they're not going to go over
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it with a fine tooth comb. Anytime you move into
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: one of those apartments, you have to clean it yourself
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: because it's still grows and it's still got remnant to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the person before it. And that's what I'm hoping is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that there's remnants before that trace evidence. God forbid that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: there's any blood in that apartment. But if there is,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we have chemicals and we have testing that we can
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: use to find that. So they're going to these forensic
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: detectives that I worked with are going to be very
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: very busy. They have not one, not two, not three.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: They probably have four or five prime scenes to work
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: at this point, Nancy, and it's going to be a long,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: long road in front of them. Well, you actually lived
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in the very same apartment complex, Karen Smith, What can
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you tell me I did. It's three story apartments, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of times when you have apartments
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: they're squished together. These aren't. They're very spread apart the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: apartment buildings themselves. So when you say neighbors getting to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: know neighbors, you literally have to walk across the entire
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: parking lot to get to the next building. So yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: maybe neighbors in a building would know each other, but you're,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you know, from building thirty two to thirty one, you're
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: talking a fifty yard walk. It's a very very large complex.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So that unnerves me a little bit. And thank goodness
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that the person in the affid David, found the little
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: girl and placed her back. But like Ashley Wilcott said,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I wish that somebody had reported seeing this little girl alone.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And you know what really makes me mad, I was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: also stationed at NAS Jacksonville when I was in the military.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: They have every single resource that you could possibly imagine
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on that base. It's huge, it's enormous. There's daycare, there's dentists,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: there's medical there is everything that Brianna Williams would have
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: needed to care for that little girl. And if she's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: stationed at Commander eleven, which she was, I was at
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: forty nine in the same hangar. I can tell you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: right now that even though the military you're once you're
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in there, they've got you, but they're not going to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: give you a schedule that is going to be incompatible
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with caring for a five year old little girl. They
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: knew she had a little girl. That schedule change that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: raised a red flag for me because I don't think
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the military would give her an overnight shift if that's
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: what she was referring to, if she has to care
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for a little girl. So all of these things to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: me make no sense at all. Take a listen to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: our friend Anthony Austin at Fox thirty. The Jacksonville Sheriff's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Office says Taylor's mother, Brianna Williams. Brianna Williams is now
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: considered a person of interest in this case. We heard
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams say that earlier today, the sheriff says
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that Brianna Williams is not cooperating with the investigation and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: has not spoken with investigators. Also, investigators have narrowed down
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the window of when they're looking for information about when
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Taylor was last seen last week. The sheriff's office says
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: she could have been seen last May. However, today they're
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: looking specifically in the last two weeks. Jacksonville Sheriff Mike
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Williams confirms the child's mother, Brianna Williams, is now named
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a person of interest. We feel pretty comfortable that this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is the right step to take and to bring some
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: closure to this case. The Sheriff's office will not say
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: exactly when Williams may have traveled to Alabama. She is
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a two thousand and ten graduate of Lyndon High School.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Terry Randall finds his property at the center of a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: two day search effort. And I'll never use that road
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: again that I don't think about that. I'll have to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: go by there every time I go in my property
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: right there, and I'll think about that. And it's just
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: not a good failing. And while Randall is hoping for
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the best hopefully they find the girl alive somewhere else.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: He fears the worst. Williams remains uncooperative. According to investigators,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they will not reveal any evidence they may have found
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: during today's search. They are asking anyone who may have
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: seen Taylor and Brianna Williams in the last two weeks
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to call nine one one. You're hearing our friend Elizabeth
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Lane at ABC thirty three forty and it disturbs me
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: deeply that they are looking down a dirt road in Momopolis, Alabama.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Now you know they were living in Jacksonville, Florida. This
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: is about five hundred miles away. Demopolis may not have
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: ever heard of it. It's the largest city of Marango County, Alabama,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but it's only about eight thousand people. What else do
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: we know about Demopolis? Is there around the Black Warrior
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and the Tombegee Rivers. It's a small area, not a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people in and out, not too close to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: an interstate. So why is Brianna Williams going back to Demopolis?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Lee Egan with me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: What is in Demopolis that draws Brianna Williams? That's where
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: she's from? That's her hometown. She graduated a high school there,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: her family lives around the area, so I'm guessing it
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was an area she knew. Well, you know, I find
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that to be true in so many cases, Steve Lampley, detective,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door. People go to commit a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: crime where they feel comfortable. For instance, look at Scott Peterson.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: He's a fisher. Okay, so what did he do. He
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: murders his pregnant wife, Lacy in their home on Covina
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Avenue of Modesto, then takes her dead body all the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: way to San Francisco Bay, goes out fishing and dumps
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: her body. That's true in so many cases, and people
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: go back to the scene of the crime. It's instinctive.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So what do you make Steve Lampley, I've heard going
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: back home to Demopolis. Let answer, You're correct some of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: so many people. So many criminals will go back to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the scene of the crime, but excuse to the place
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: where they're comfortable. I guess it's a sense of a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: quote unquote comfort. And it disturbs me that the fact
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that she's been incooperative with the police. At one point
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: one of her stories didn't match up the girl has disappeared.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: There's so many indicators here that to me, as I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: an investigator, this woman was involved at least in some
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: part at this little girl's disappearance. That's my take. And
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: then a stunning turn of events in a search for
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a little Taylor arose. Search teams uncovered the remains of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the child in a wooded area in Alabama. Teams on
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the ground there are working on recovering the victim, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: while indications are that this may be Taylor Williams, the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: exact identification of the victim will be made penning some
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: detailed forensic analysis of those remains. Brianna Williams, the mother
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of Taylor Williams, has been arrested this evening on charges
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of child neglect and giving false information to investigators during
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the search for Taylor. The suspect has been absentee booked
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: at a local hospital after being admitted today due to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: an apparent overdose of some sort. Wow, you're hearing Jacksonville's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams press conference alerting everyone that remains found
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: on a dirt road and mom plus Brianna Williams hometown
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the mother, but not only that, we hear the mother,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: who has not been cooperating with police, tried to commit
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: suicidely egan what happened. Brianna was staying on Bass and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: she was under suicide watch while she was there, but
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: apparently somehow she ingested something and tried to take her
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: own life. You know when you hear that, Stephen Lampley,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I understand a mother grieving and being beside herself that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: her daughter's remains have been found. But I would think
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: she would want to give the daughter a funeral and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: find out who killed the daughter, how she ended up
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: on a dirt road in Mimi's hometown. Of course, you wouldn't, Nancy,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you would unless you knew you were involved. And according
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to the information that I read, could dabber dogs picked
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: up a cent on the trunk of her car, of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the mother's car. So yeah, you're right, you would want
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to see your child off in the proper fashion. You
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: would want to find justice for your child, unless you
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: were involved. To doctor Debbie Joffe, Ellis Adjunct professor at
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Columbia Psychologists, what about her behavior, I mean, wouldn't she
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: want to know who killed her daughter if she was
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: in a rational state of mind? Yes, but there's a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: ton of evidence that even before her hearing this news,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: she wasn't thinking in rational ways according to the way
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: she was behaving. So we can't assume when a tragedy
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like this happens that a person will want what someone
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in a healthy state of mind, even though they're in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: agonizing grief, will want. We don't know her mental state,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: but from the behavior, it was not in a healthy state.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: To ask Wilcot judge, trial lawyer anchor at Court TV.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You can find her at ASCU Wilcott dot com. Way
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in Ashley, you know exactly the same thing. There's so
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: much evidence in this case that this is not a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: typical quote unquote or average better word mother right caring
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: for her child. Rather there's something else going on. She's
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: in the military, but yet listen to the conditions of
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the home deplorable. Listen to how many times this child
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: was seen outside looking for her mother. I don't know
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: what else it is with this mother, whether it's mental health,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: substance abuse, domestic violence, who knows what it is. But
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: there's so many red flags pointing to the fact that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: this was not an average mother taking care of her child. Rather,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: she neglected to the appoint of abuse, and I personally
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: believe that she must know something about what happened to her.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: The mother of five year old Taylor Roised Williams charged
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: after attempting suicide after human remains are discovered in the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: search for her missing child. Brianna Williams, the mother of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: missing Taylor, was charged with child neglect and giving false
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: information to police. Where does it stand now, Lee Egan, Well,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: right now they're waiting to identify them. They were child
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: remains there. The police believe it's Taylor Williams, but they
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: need official confirmation and until then they can't really say
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: how she died or even where she died. And I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: think once they get that information, we'll find out where
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they go from their first charges. We wait as justice unfolds,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: but I can't help but wonder how did this child
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: slip through the cracks of our system? Not reported missing
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: from school, not reported missing from daycare. The father hadn't
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: seen her in two years, the grandparents hadn't seen her
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in a year, and nobody said a word. Nancy Grace
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye friend