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NEW Retirement Age | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're list Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles
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  Speaker 1: six forty, Bill Handle here and good morning to you.
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  Speaker 1: On a day it's a ceasefire day.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like the war, or at least the attack
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen last night, so be thiss agreement, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is only between the United States and the Iran. There
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  Speaker 2: are still missiles going into the Gulf States, obviously from.
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  Speaker 3: Iran and of course Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's given, but that part of the war
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  Speaker 2: is still happening, that Iran is going after the Gulf States.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens in both sides. Two week,
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  Speaker 2: it's a two week seas fire and both sides I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how they're going to get together because the
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  Speaker 2: demands each side is making is just completely insane.
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  Speaker 3: Of the other.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I want to switch gears for a moment
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  Speaker 2: and talk about flying. Right, there is a United Airlines
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  Speaker 2: Boeing seven sixty seven, and you and it's just pick
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  Speaker 2: one and you go into the plane and there it is.
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  Speaker 2: The cabin comfort looks like a new plane.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The business class seats are fantastic. The premium economy economy
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  Speaker 2: section is great, the latest in flight entertainment systems, even
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  Speaker 2: though you're sort of crammed together, but it looks like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the plane is in good shape and it
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  Speaker 2: looks new. Actually, and these seven sixty seven United that
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  Speaker 2: what this story is about. We're purchased in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: one and are still flying and you don't know it.
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  Speaker 2: When you board one of those, you have no idea
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  Speaker 2: how old the plane is and with the kind of
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  Speaker 2: maintenance and the care that planes are being given because
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  Speaker 2: they're hideously expensive.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these are.
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  Speaker 2: Not cheap vehicles that it works. You know, the average
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  Speaker 2: age of airplanes that are up in the sky by
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  Speaker 2: airlines flown by airlines just twenty five years, just to
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  Speaker 2: give you an idea. Now, my favorite story about old
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  Speaker 2: airplanes be fifty two's.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the bombers.
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  Speaker 2: There are pilots that are flying them that their grandfathers
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  Speaker 2: flew and they've been around since the fifties. Okay, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking seventy years that they have been around, and so
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  Speaker 2: that is that's the reality. So when you get on
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  Speaker 2: an airplane, think of the fact that it's twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years old, but the way maintenance works today, they're just
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  Speaker 2: as safe as new airplanes. So now I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: give you a little secret, not a dirty little secret,
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  Speaker 2: a fun little secret. You know how you open the
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  Speaker 2: door of your car and on the jam there is
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  Speaker 2: that little placard, little metal placard that gives the VIN number.
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  Speaker 2: You've all seen that. You go on an airplane and
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  Speaker 2: in the jam somewhere in there, you'll see this little
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  Speaker 2: metal placard just like that, just like a car.
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  Speaker 3: It's about as big as a car too.
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  Speaker 2: And on there will be the serial number of the plane,
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  Speaker 2: the year the plane was built, and the year it
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  Speaker 2: was certified by the FAA to fly, usually of course
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  Speaker 2: the same year. And now you're gonna know exactly how
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  Speaker 2: old that plane is. And I always thought the newer
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  Speaker 2: the plane, the safer the plane, until the Max eight
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  Speaker 2: came out and all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 3: Oops, maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: But it's kind of fun to walk in there and say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this plane is twenty five years old, and there are
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just great stuff because the maintenance is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely crazy on those things. The FAA, what the requirements
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  Speaker 2: are to keep a plane in the sky. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: like it. Do you know that most well, I mean
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  Speaker 2: most First World countries in Europe, for example, they have
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  Speaker 2: their own version of the FAA. But the majority of
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  Speaker 2: countries that are not those dozen fifteen twenty first world countries,
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  Speaker 2: major countries, they follow the FAA rules. Whatever is printed
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  Speaker 2: by the FAA, they follow their rules for their airplanes.
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  Speaker 2: Why because the long haul planes, there's actually two companies
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. There's air Bus and there's Boeing, and
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  Speaker 2: there are no other companies doing this, so it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, China, China which used to be called
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  Speaker 2: Red China, Communist China, they flew Boeing airplanes because they
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  Speaker 2: had no choice. And Chile during its revolution flew Boeing
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  Speaker 2: airplanes and the United States was able to shut down
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  Speaker 2: the entire airline, the Chilean airline, just saying to Boying,
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  Speaker 2: no spare parts, shut down the airline.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, interesting stuff, So check it out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, get a plane that's twenty five thirty years
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  Speaker 2: old and feel good about it, just like a car.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Okay. Retirement.
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  Speaker 2: I talk about retirement all the time because I think
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  Speaker 2: about it all the time. You know, as I approach
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  Speaker 2: my retirement, ears actually, I'm past my retirement. Ears I'm
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  Speaker 2: one of those people that are going to keep working.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do. Frankly, I enjoy
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  Speaker 2: what I do. It's a job that I've been doing
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. It used to be that I
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  Speaker 2: would commute it. We'd be a twenty minute commute from
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  Speaker 2: my house to the station. I moved to South Orange County,
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  Speaker 2: so even though I do come into the station hour
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  Speaker 2: and a half drive you come in. Most of the
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  Speaker 2: time I'm at home and here I am in my
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  Speaker 2: home studio right now, and I have a thirty foot commute,
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  Speaker 2: so that makes it easy.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just one of those people that enjoy working. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I work, Well, it's because I need to work,
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  Speaker 2: not particularly. I have spent a very long time setting
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  Speaker 2: up my retirement, and I was set to retire at
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  Speaker 2: sixty five, and I'm past that.
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  Speaker 3: It's because I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Now there are people who retire and they don't enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Those greeters at Walmart, have you noticed there are more
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  Speaker 2: and more people that are of retirement age, elderly people.
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  Speaker 2: I go to the supermarket and they're there boxing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with the bags.
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  Speaker 3: Well, That's the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Rouse yesterday and they don't have handles
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  Speaker 2: anymore on the bags.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what the hell's that about? You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: just a.
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  Speaker 2: Normal shopping bag. I go, where's your where the handles?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are you saving money on that? They go general.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course they didn't know what the hell was
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  Speaker 3: going on.
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  Speaker 2: But I was very upset about that because I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed those handles.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: Putting milk and putting heavy items in there and walking
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  Speaker 2: to the car and the handles, you know, coming off
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  Speaker 2: the bag. And I just missed that, you know, my
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  Speaker 2: groceries just spilling down the driveway.
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  Speaker 3: In any case, Oh I digress, don't I.
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  Speaker 2: The point is you've got elderly people because it's tough
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  Speaker 2: to live. I mean, life is expensive. And on the
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  Speaker 2: other side, you have more and more people that are
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  Speaker 2: retiring early. I mean I talked to people. They want
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  Speaker 2: to retire at forty they want to retire at forty five.
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  Speaker 2: I worked with a lawyer who was very successful. He
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  Speaker 2: retired at forty eight and spending his enjoys his retirement.
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  Speaker 2: He and his wife do a lot of outdoor stuff.
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  Speaker 2: They do kayaking.
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  Speaker 3: He bakes. He took some baking courses, So I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what do you do with that? Have you have you thought, Neil,
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  Speaker 3: you're not.
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  Speaker 2: Too far away from retirement here? Maybe what ten years
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  Speaker 2: away from tirement?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Have you thought of retirement at all? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Over, we just looked over our numbers within the last
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  Speaker 4: week and looked over everything. And I'm probably here as
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  Speaker 4: long as you're here. And then after that, if I
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  Speaker 4: start backing slowly, backing away from radio, so be, it
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  Speaker 4: depends what the station wants, and then I will go
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  Speaker 4: into full time making and designing and doing art.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which you're very good at. And I'm looking at
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  Speaker 2: my contract being up end of twenty seven, and because
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  Speaker 2: of the finances in the entire industry, I'm absolutely sure
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  Speaker 2: I'll be asked to stay on at forty three thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year. Because welcome to the new world. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked a lot about what's happening in the industry. Amy,
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  Speaker 2: have you thought of retirement? A. Y're getting up in years,
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  Speaker 2: little long in the chief, You're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: I'm never retiring.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're one of those that figuring you're never going
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  Speaker 2: to retire. I will have you thought of retiring. When
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  Speaker 2: you do, I mean the.
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  Speaker 3: Anticipation I need a sugar daddy. Take it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not gonna be me, Okay, you know, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much. Yeah, that's true. Because you work here
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  Speaker 2: in Iavy.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe Will should be taking you to Disneyland on the twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, instead of instead of Amy, that's true. I think
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  Speaker 3: we all agree with that sentiment. I'll take a sugar
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  Speaker 3: daddy at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I'm looking I'm I'm actually looking forward to hanging
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  Speaker 2: with Amy for the day. It's something we have never
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  Speaker 2: actually hung out together. Have we Amy like hanging?
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  Speaker 4: Not really?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's true. I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying I read lips, but man, I would
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  Speaker 4: like to know what Anne just said off Mike.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna I was going to go. I was
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  Speaker 3: going to go toe and myself. So have you thought
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  Speaker 3: of retirement? You know that's comical, Bill, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I make. Uh yeah, I'm in the group. Yeah you know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and Kno, I mean, you're obviously too young to
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  Speaker 2: think about it, but you'll yeah, well yeah you'll. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's practice. Okay, welcome to Walmart. Let's do that together.
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  Speaker 3: A Walmart manager makes six figures. Oh that's it.
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  Speaker 2: You're okay, You're going to leave your job as an
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  Speaker 2: engineer is what they call us, Yeah, technical producer. I
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  Speaker 2: love that janitors are with their kind of engineers. Are
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  Speaker 2: janitors maintenance maintenance engineers?
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  Speaker 3: Engineers? Yes? Yes, that does.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody really want? Like, I don't want to retire. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to stop working. Ever, Well, that's down shift
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. And there are people that do want
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  Speaker 4: to retire. And in here it is, there are a
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  Speaker 4: couple different kinds of people. Those that particularly don't like
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  Speaker 4: what they do, and they're there because they have to
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  Speaker 4: be there. And I know people there there and can't
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  Speaker 4: wait for a retirement. My father was one of those.
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  Speaker 4: And then there are people that really enjoy what they do.
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  Speaker 4: And all kidding aside, you know, I'm blessed to have
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  Speaker 4: this job.
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  Speaker 2: I really am. I mean, yeah, other what would happen
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  Speaker 2: if I didn't have this job. I couldn't be making
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  Speaker 2: money selling pencils on a street corner, to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, So this job saves my saves my ass.
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  Speaker 3: It's and that's the other thing. What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: There's a story at aol dot com that I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at and it had to do with following someone
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  Speaker 2: who was a successful insurance person and retired, and it
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  Speaker 2: was he had a defined money a retirement plan which
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  Speaker 2: means you get X number of dollars and it never
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  Speaker 2: goes up than that. And I have one of those
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  Speaker 2: where twenty years from now or ten years from now,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be it's not going to be very
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  Speaker 2: much money because it doesn't go up. And he had
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  Speaker 2: to go to work. He had to make that extra
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  Speaker 2: twenty dollars an hour, because that is the difference between
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  Speaker 2: living comfortably and not. So you have if you're lucky,
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  Speaker 2: you have a pension. Very few people have pensions anymore
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  Speaker 2: because they're just not offered. So a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have Social Security and they live on social Security unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: and that is really tough. But if you're able to
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  Speaker 2: swing all three, and that is you work part time
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  Speaker 2: and you're lucky enough to have a pension, and of
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  Speaker 2: course you have social Security, you can you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can make it. Southern California is very difficult to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, anybody knew coming in or anybody starting a career,
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  Speaker 2: it's just impossible to buy a house. You'll never get
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  Speaker 2: a house. I tell my daughters, you'll never get a house.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Dad, Please stop drilling it into me. It
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  Speaker 2: makes me feel bad. You'll never get a house. Damn,
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  Speaker 2: come on, you'll never get a house. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to keep keep that at the back of your mind.
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  Speaker 2: You'll never get a house. Do you understand, no house ever?
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  Speaker 2: You'll never get a house. No chance yet, gooseg not
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  Speaker 2: a no house.
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  Speaker 4: Do you call them, like, wake them up in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of the night and say you're we're going to
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  Speaker 4: get a house and.
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  Speaker 2: Then yes, it's a Hi Dad. How you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: You know they'll call me and Dad hadn't talked to
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  Speaker 2: you in a couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing. You'll never get a house, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical
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  Speaker 2: Center in Long Beach, Good.
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  Speaker 3: Morning, Jim, good morning. Okay. Now you come up with
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  Speaker 3: these topics.
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  Speaker 4: Right sometimes you know, and I have the collaboration excellent, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And usually through the.
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  Speaker 5: Window and ask me these questions that are totally arelated
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  Speaker 5: to yeah, no, but this one.
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  Speaker 2: This one, no, this one I absolutely have to do
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  Speaker 2: because this may be the most moronic question that I
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  Speaker 2: have ever seen or heard in all of the years
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  Speaker 2: we've been doing this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and here we are.
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  Speaker 2: I'm reading this for batim, ladies and gentlemen, and Jim,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, you graduate in medical school.
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  Speaker 3: And what number where? How high were you in your class?
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  Speaker 5: Higher than I actually thought by the end, but they
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  Speaker 5: didn't actually rank us one to whatever paper Chase.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jim is one of the smartest guys I know.
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  Speaker 2: So with that being said, what would happen to your
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  Speaker 2: body if you lived on the moon, how about other
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  Speaker 2: than exploding?
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  Speaker 3: There's more to.
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  Speaker 5: It than that, Jim, there is more to it than that, right,
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  Speaker 5: It's actually a challeng it's a physiologic challenge to figure
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  Speaker 5: out how to live on the moon.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, obviously, if we didn't have a space suit on,
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't last very long. But you know, everybody says, hey,
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  Speaker 5: just a space suit, a little tank of oxygen, and
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  Speaker 5: you can just walk around on the Moon and you'll
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  Speaker 5: be fine. That's not the case. So living on the Moon,
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  Speaker 5: you are exposed to far more radiation on Earth. And
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  Speaker 5: even then, like the International Space Station is close enough
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  Speaker 5: that it actually is protected by the Earth, and we
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  Speaker 5: have a we have a magnetic shield that shields the Earth,
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  Speaker 5: and so they're not exposed to anywhere near as much radiation.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, you know, these astronauts are saying that they're
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  Speaker 5: reporting retinal flashes, and that's caused by radioactive particles hit
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  Speaker 5: their retina and then stimulate it as if it's been
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  Speaker 5: hit by light. And so they're just seeing random flashes
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  Speaker 5: in their vision. So you can imagine there's there's far
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  Speaker 5: more radiation. You just can't put on sunscreen. Find you
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  Speaker 5: need significant radiation protection. Number one, it's a sixth of
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  Speaker 5: the Earth or number two, six of the Earth's gravity,
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  Speaker 5: so you're going to lose that. Gravitational force is what
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  Speaker 5: gives our muscles the stimulus to you know, grow and
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  Speaker 5: stay strong, and so astronauts, we know, lose muscle mass.
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  Speaker 5: You've seen them like pulling them out of a cat.
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  Speaker 5: So after they've been at space for you know, a week,
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  Speaker 5: and they're two weeks to stand on their own legs
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  Speaker 5: typically especially initially, and that's just after five days in space,
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  Speaker 5: they can't even bear their own weight. The same thing
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  Speaker 5: happens to their bones where their bones, your bones have
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  Speaker 5: crystals of I think it's super interesting, you know from
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  Speaker 5: a physics standpoint. You know, crystals of calcium in your bones.
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  Speaker 5: When you squeeze a crystal, it creates an electromagnetic electrical
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  Speaker 5: force across the crystal. It's called the Pizio electric effect,
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  Speaker 5: and then that stimulates more crystal growth. So the pressure
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  Speaker 5: on your bones is what keeps your bones dense and
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  Speaker 5: keeps them growing.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's first of all, it is a fun topic and
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to it. Yeah, because we are looking
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  Speaker 2: at long term flights, certainly to Mars, which is going
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  Speaker 2: to happen whether you agree with it or not. And
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about a six month trip there or seven
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  Speaker 2: months trip there and then back again. And to your point,
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  Speaker 2: the spacesuits certainly and take care of the heat and
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  Speaker 2: the cold, which is several hundred degrees in different spinning
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  Speaker 2: on whether you're in the sun or not. And when
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  Speaker 2: you look at, for example, the space station, these guys
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  Speaker 2: exercise an hour and a half a day. They're on
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  Speaker 2: that treadmill that they're latched onto where there's the bungee
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  Speaker 2: cord kind of thing hold them down.
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  Speaker 3: But with all of that, which something can be done,
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  Speaker 3: how do you get away? Exactly? It's the radiation that
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  Speaker 3: I understand.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to deal with unless you have extraord
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  Speaker 2: unless you're encased in lead, you're you know, superman.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the radiation will be a problem that
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  Speaker 5: puts them at risk, and they will be at an
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  Speaker 5: increased risk for things like brain cancer, DNA damage, IMMINO suppression,
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  Speaker 5: and then the lack of gravity all day long. Your
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  Speaker 5: heart's not used to that. Your heart's used to pumping
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  Speaker 5: blood where it's working a little harder to get it
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  Speaker 5: from the legs, return from the legs, and it's working
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  Speaker 5: a little harder to pump it up to the head. Well,
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden that evens out, all right, So
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  Speaker 5: this is.
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  Speaker 2: Not a dumb question. I thought it was real. I
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  Speaker 2: was going to make fun of you, but that's it's legitimate.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question, especially with the guys up in space,
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  Speaker 2: and especially in capsules in which you can't exercise, for example,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the capsule that those four astronists are on, because there's
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: not enough room. So they'll be up there. I think,
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  Speaker 2: what for is it ten days? They're going to be
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  Speaker 2: up there for? So there will be a demonstrable showing
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  Speaker 2: of some muscle loss. Is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, and that's just the early stages. That's not
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  Speaker 5: what we haven't gotten into the immune changes. Like I said,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: the party of vascular changes, I mean for long term space,
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  Speaker 5: it's a big physiologic challenge.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, when we come back.
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  Speaker 2: That actually worked, Let's do this topic Poverty, isolation, low education,
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  Speaker 2: sho reduce lifespan or you can work at iHeart and
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  Speaker 2: the same thing happens to you.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Jim Keeney, chief.
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  Speaker 2: Medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach,
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  Speaker 2: who is here every Wednesday with us, a statement that
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  Speaker 2: I uttered just for the break and poverty, isolation, low
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  Speaker 2: education reduce lifespan.
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  Speaker 3: All right, that's sort of a given.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we all know that this is science that
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  Speaker 2: is proving this, and let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we've talked about that, and there are studies
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  Speaker 5: that show that people with you know, so we call
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  Speaker 5: it social determinants of health, well, if they have lower
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  Speaker 5: social determinants of health, they have lower health and have
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  Speaker 5: suffered from more disease. The study was kind of interesting
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  Speaker 5: because it looked at it a different way. What they
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  Speaker 5: did was they looked at known social and economic you know,
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  Speaker 5: kind of areas that are lower than others. And they
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  Speaker 5: measured people for a a blood marker that that's around
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  Speaker 5: when your cells are dividing and when they're not dividing,
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  Speaker 5: or when they just kind of are we call sinesse.
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  Speaker 5: There's they're kind of fallinglessleep, that's the stays before the
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  Speaker 5: cell dies. That increases. So this marker was higher in
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  Speaker 5: individuals that were in these low socio economic areas. And
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  Speaker 5: the interesting thing about that is they were able to
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  Speaker 5: then pair people you know, smoking, drinking, drug use, you know,
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  Speaker 5: your diet, exercise, and see if that is was that
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  Speaker 5: what made the difference and it wasn't. It was it
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: was literally your zip code. I mean not literally, this
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: study uses a Childhood Opportunity Index, which is much more
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: specific than zip codes, but basically, where you live gets
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  Speaker 5: under your skin and causes biological, real biological issues. So
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  Speaker 5: association study not not like a randomized, long term, randomized
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  Speaker 5: control trial, but it does show an association between where
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  Speaker 5: you live and these problems.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's logical poverty, you're not going to get the
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  Speaker 2: same nutrition and you're not going to get the same
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  Speaker 2: medical care. Low education, Well I'm assuming it kicks into
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  Speaker 2: that it influences that your income.
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  Speaker 3: Now, let me.
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  Speaker 2: Give you a hypothetical hypothetical about isolation, and let's say
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  Speaker 2: there's a guy out there who doesn't live in poverty,
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  Speaker 2: has a reasonable education, but has no friends and his
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  Speaker 2: family hates him.
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  Speaker 3: How would that be on that scale?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that isolation is part of it, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And even in Okay, so you know, with with camping
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  Speaker 5: and some of the work I've done overseas for disasters,
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  Speaker 5: we talk about, you know, survival, and in survival you
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: talk about you can live three minutes without air, three
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: days without food, you know, so three days without water,
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  Speaker 5: three weeks without food, and three months without love. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: that speaks to like back in the Vietnam War, when people,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: after a few months in the jungle alone even watching
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  Speaker 5: other prisoners get tortured in the prisoner camps, they were
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  Speaker 5: so distraught by being alone they walked into the prisoner camps.
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  Speaker 5: So absolutely, isolation is a significant cause of stress on
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  Speaker 5: your body and emotionally. And that's part of this too,
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  Speaker 5: is that we really believe that, you know, living with
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  Speaker 5: insecure housing and insecure income, which results in insecure food
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  Speaker 5: and everything else and insecure opportunities. All that stress is
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: also affecting this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Jim, as always, thank you very much. I know
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  Speaker 3: your birthdays coming.
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  Speaker 5: Up, right, absolutely, all right, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I've always wanted to be there that celebrate celebrating birthdays. Boy,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: what an accomplishment getting born, right? You really want to Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you want to celebrate that one. All right, Jim, we'll
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: talk again, my friend. All Right, we're done. That's it,
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