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Casey Jacobsen on Men's College Basketball including the transfer portal, Best way forward for Runnin Utes + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: what about Dallan Bentley and others. So we'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: Devin Jackson about that coming up in the final hour
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  Speaker 1: of the program. The Transfer Portal is utter care right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's insanity. It opened up on Tuesday day after the
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  Speaker 1: National Championship the Michigan won, and there are now more
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  Speaker 1: than twenty five hundred names in the transferred portal. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: five hundred names in like four days. It's insane. And
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  Speaker 1: the crazy thing is not everybody's going to land a spot.
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  Speaker 1: That's the crazy part. Over the years, over the last
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  Speaker 1: three or four years, only only about forty eight forty
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  Speaker 1: nine percent of kids land spots. More than fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the kids that go in the portal, and this
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  Speaker 1: is football and basketball don't end up with a spot
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  Speaker 1: on the other side. So anyway, Utah's shopping. Everybody's shopping
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  Speaker 1: right now. Alex Jensen tried to remake that roster with
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  Speaker 1: his staff after year one and the Big twelve and
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  Speaker 1: year one of the Alex Jenson ten. Y're I thought
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  Speaker 1: we'd talked a little bit about the portal, the craziness
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  Speaker 1: of it, some of the areas Utah has got to
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  Speaker 1: get better in, and maybe roster building this offseason in
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  Speaker 1: the portal and more with our good friend he used
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  Speaker 1: to be a regular on the show with me. You
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  Speaker 1: see him on Fox Sports and Fox Sports one doing
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  Speaker 1: college basketball and for great Casey Jacobson kind enough to
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  Speaker 1: join us today.
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  Speaker 2: Case how are you, man, Bill? I'm great man, just
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  Speaker 2: kind of decompressing from a long season, a great season.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I don't know if you talk about.
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  Speaker 2: This today or I thought this college basketball season was
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  Speaker 2: fascinating and the collection of talent was as good as
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  Speaker 2: it's been in a long time, And certainly the ANIL
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  Speaker 2: is helping that. I don't think the transfer portal is
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  Speaker 2: helping that too much. I think that's kind of more
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  Speaker 2: frustrating for everybody. Unless you get a solid transfer right,
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  Speaker 2: then it's great for you. But but college basketball to
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  Speaker 2: me has never been more interesting and more fluid, like
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  Speaker 2: it feels like it changes by the hour. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: completely agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think the level of play across the board?
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  Speaker 1: You say nil? But was there more? Is there more
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  Speaker 1: to it? Why? And I agree with you. I think
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  Speaker 1: the season, I think the competitiveness. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more depth than in these conferences, Big twelve,
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  Speaker 1: Big ten, you name it. But why do you think
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  Speaker 1: the level of overall college basketball was better?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So it's a lot of factor's right, It's never
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  Speaker 2: just one thing. It first started with all the conference realignment.
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  Speaker 2: So now let's just take the Big Ten for.
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  Speaker 3: Example, over the Big Twelve.
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  Speaker 2: The Big Ten has now become like a super conference.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the addition of UCLA, USC Washington and Oregon. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to speak for the football side of it,
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  Speaker 2: which has been massive. Those are massive football brands, but basketball,
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  Speaker 2: those are great basketball brands with really good coaches Eric
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  Speaker 2: Musselm and Mick Crohn and Dana Altman coming over to
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  Speaker 2: an already good Big Ten that has Tom Izzo and
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  Speaker 2: Matt Painter and Brad Underwood and it's now a super conference.
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  Speaker 2: So like following the Big Ten is just more interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There's more good teams, more good players. Then the less
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  Speaker 2: number one number two is definitely the nil. What specifically
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  Speaker 2: do I mean by that? It's not just like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people are allowed to pay money, it's now how much
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  Speaker 2: they are spending Bill. I would say that college basketball
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  Speaker 2: is the second best professional basketball league in the world.
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  Speaker 2: I really believe that. It's crazy to say, but I
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  Speaker 2: really believe that. I played in Europe. I played in
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  Speaker 2: the highest division in Europe. It's called EuroLeague. And while
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  Speaker 2: EuroLeague is a really high end league, we're talking men like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, thirty thirty five year old, like real pros
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  Speaker 2: out there. Like I would put where college basketball is
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  Speaker 2: now it's a younger version of that. And so where
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  Speaker 2: European players specifically, and we saw this with Illinois who
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  Speaker 2: most of their roster was international players. International players normally
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  Speaker 2: will they grow up in their academy or they you know,
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  Speaker 2: they develop in Spain or Italy or Greece or Turkey,
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  Speaker 2: and they stay in Europe because they get great training
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  Speaker 2: and they get paid from an early age. It can
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  Speaker 2: be sixteen and seventeen years old. At eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 2: they're getting paid now sometimes it's not an exorbitant amount
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  Speaker 2: of money until they really hit the big time. Those
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  Speaker 2: players would never like a Luka Doncic who grew up
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  Speaker 2: in the real Madrid system, those players would never consider
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  Speaker 2: coming to college basketball to play for no money, Like
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  Speaker 2: the exposure just isn't that. That's not enough for them.
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  Speaker 2: So they would stay in their homeland and then when
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  Speaker 2: they were draft eligible, they would get drafted by an
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  Speaker 2: NBA team and either come over or stay for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years and then come over later. Right, you
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  Speaker 2: know all this whole process. Well, now all of these
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  Speaker 2: players are like, oh, I can make a million bucks
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  Speaker 2: or half a night, whatever it is, whatever the number.
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  Speaker 3: Is, half a million, a year, one million.
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  Speaker 2: Bucks a year to go play in college for one
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  Speaker 2: or two seasons. That's a no brainer because that honestly
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  Speaker 2: is more than a lot of those players are making
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  Speaker 2: in their hometowns or whatever countries that they're playing in.
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  Speaker 2: So that has changed the game, no doubts. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: getting an inflow of high end European young talents, and
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  Speaker 2: we're getting older guys that are staying like a Drew Chinney,
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  Speaker 2: for example, a Gonzaga will stick around an extra year
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  Speaker 2: rather than go to the NBA Draft. So all these
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  Speaker 2: things combined, we now have the best college basketball talent
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  Speaker 2: that we've had in at least a decade or more.
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  Speaker 3: At least it is there.
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  Speaker 1: I said this this year that I thought Arizona had
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  Speaker 1: the perfect model for this era of college basketball. Tommy
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  Speaker 1: Lloyd had some core guys that have been in his
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  Speaker 1: program for two or three years. That's a core guy
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  Speaker 1: now two or three years. He had some really nice transfers,
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  Speaker 1: and then he had a great influx of good young
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  Speaker 1: freshman talent. No, they didn't win it, I get that,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought that kind of recipe was the right recipe.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a mix of everything, and he blended
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  Speaker 1: it well until he ran into the buzz saw that
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  Speaker 1: was Michigan in the national semi finals. Is there a
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  Speaker 1: team or a program that you think has kind of
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  Speaker 1: the right recipe or model that if you were, if
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  Speaker 1: you were a an up and coming program, or you
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  Speaker 1: were building a program, that you would model yourself after.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good question. So let me just start
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  Speaker 2: by saying, I respectfully disagree a little bit with what
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  Speaker 2: you said. I don't think that era what Arizona did
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  Speaker 2: was the perfect model, certainly successful. We can both agree
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  Speaker 2: on that Arizona was definitely one of the best teams
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  Speaker 2: in the country. I would argue that they were the
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  Speaker 2: second best team in the country. They absolutely could have
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  Speaker 2: won a national championship this year. But I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: what their model was perfect in that they started three freshmen,
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  Speaker 2: and I know those freshmen were awesome. I am conceding that.
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  Speaker 2: I am just saying that is not the recent model
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  Speaker 2: that leads to national champions Yukon went back to back
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  Speaker 2: national titles and they started one freshman, Stefan Castle in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Otherwise, there was mostly guys that returned
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  Speaker 2: with an occasional transfer Tristan Newton being one of those guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So like it's to me, you don't want to have
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  Speaker 2: too many freshmen. They're absolutely in. Duke would be another
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  Speaker 2: example of last year, Cooper Flagg, Tonkin Nipple. Come on, malawatch, Bill,
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  Speaker 2: you and I would agree that season ago, but they
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  Speaker 2: lost in the final four to an older Houston team.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where I would disagree. I think there is
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  Speaker 2: such a thing as being too young in today's college
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  Speaker 2: basketball world. But to answer your specific question, which is
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  Speaker 2: what program does it the best, I would say Yukon
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  Speaker 2: and Houston to me are more of what I would
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  Speaker 2: if I'm starting a program from scratch or I want
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  Speaker 2: to copy on model. Yukon has gotten occasional transfers to
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  Speaker 2: fill a gap Philip Voice specifically at the point guard position.
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  Speaker 2: Three years ago, they got Tristan Newton. Two years ago,
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  Speaker 2: they got Silos Demery junior, and then they absolutely take
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  Speaker 2: a five star freshman here there. But they don't have
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  Speaker 2: a freshman class of three or four dudes. They have continuity.
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  Speaker 2: They bring back several guys, whether it be Alex Caravan
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  Speaker 2: or you bring back Donovan Cleaning at the center position
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  Speaker 2: after he sat behind Donaldson Ogo for.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of years and learn the trade.
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  Speaker 2: That to me, and then Kelvin Sampson's done it too.
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  Speaker 2: He did Jamal shed and Marcus Sasser for several years,
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  Speaker 2: and he'll get one or maybe two five star freshmen.
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  Speaker 2: But otherwise you get one transfer, you get some continuity
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  Speaker 2: and development in a program, and then you can really
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  Speaker 2: you know you can that will bear fruit in the tournament.
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  Speaker 2: To me, so there are many ways to do it right.
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  Speaker 2: Arizona's just another way to do it. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: if you're talking about, like, hey, what's the perfect model,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a few five stars here there. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: take some four star three stars, develop them, haven't been
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  Speaker 2: your program a little bit, go in the transfer portal,
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  Speaker 2: filling a couple of.
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  Speaker 3: Gaps, and have an older team in the tournament. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I'd want.
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  Speaker 1: The other program that I had mentioned with regard to building,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're more middle to upper middle class, because Houston,
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  Speaker 1: Yukon Arizona they are all in the upper especially financial class.
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  Speaker 1: I think what tj Otzilberger does at Iowa States fantastic too,
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  Speaker 1: because he's got money, but he doesn't have ridiculous money,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he's built a nice program there, kind
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  Speaker 1: of what you were talking about, taking some three and
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  Speaker 1: four star guys and filling them in with veterans around.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point, and I'm glad you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: TJ Alsilberger because he deserves credit. He took over a
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  Speaker 2: program that I believe was two and twenty seven or
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  Speaker 2: something yep, the year before he got there. So he
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  Speaker 2: takes over the program and it felt like in ten
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  Speaker 2: minutes though he had its left, I means ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what like watching what he did at Iowa
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  Speaker 2: State in the Big Twelve Conference. Mind he was the
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  Speaker 2: best basketball conference in the country if you ask my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: To do that in one year almost is like unfair
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  Speaker 2: because now like anybody else hires a new coach and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, hey, what can you do in one year? Right?
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  Speaker 2: TJ Altolberger did it down the street. Why can't you
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  Speaker 2: do it? Why can't he do it? Right? So it's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit wild. But the one thing I'll add
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  Speaker 2: with TJ and you brought up PJ not only is
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  Speaker 2: tough and build a real culture. They have a system.
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  Speaker 2: They have an identity, which is which is also what
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  Speaker 2: the two programs that I mentioned Bill Yukon and Houston.
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  Speaker 2: Those teams have systems. Yukon has an offensive system that
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  Speaker 2: is very unique to them. They're very deliberate. They have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of motion sets. They don't play a lot
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  Speaker 2: of one on one basketball, The ball moose side to side,
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  Speaker 2: and they use all five guys on the floor. They're
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  Speaker 2: an offensive thing of beauty. Houston is a defensive identity program,
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  Speaker 2: and I would say Iowa stated as well. Iowa State
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  Speaker 2: as a no middle man demand defense.
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  Speaker 3: They don't let the ball in the middle. They funnel
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  Speaker 3: to the sidelines.
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  Speaker 2: They're aggressive and traps on ball and off ball trapping.
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  Speaker 2: They trap out of the post. They want to turn
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  Speaker 2: you over and so you can tj Assenberger doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: need five star talent that he like it, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really need it to implement a system to turn you
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  Speaker 2: over and to create easy baskets. And that's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's one of the top ten coaches in
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  Speaker 2: the sport because of the culture he can build in
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  Speaker 2: the system that he's really perfected.
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  Speaker 1: Casey Jacobson Fox Sports with us for a couple of
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  Speaker 1: more minutes here on the Shadow Coddle Show, Let's bring
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  Speaker 1: it closer to home. Year one for Utah basketball wasn't
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  Speaker 1: what Alex Jensen and his staff wanted it to be.
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  Speaker 1: They've got a running start and a much better idea
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  Speaker 1: of what it takes now to be competitive and what
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  Speaker 1: they need from a talent standpoint. You saw Utah a
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  Speaker 1: couple of different times this year in person and certainly
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  Speaker 1: probably on television as well. So you tell me, if
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  Speaker 1: you're looking from year one to year two, where does Utah?
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  Speaker 1: Where does Wes Wilcox and Alex Jensen go as they
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  Speaker 1: go to retool this roster in the portal?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it almost feels like a complete rebuild to me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I just talked about Bill. If I
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  Speaker 2: close my eyes and I think of a program or
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  Speaker 2: a coach, I just have to say, like the question
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  Speaker 2: is what do I see in my mind? What kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Identity do they have? Or what are they trying to do?
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  Speaker 2: And if you close your eyes and you think about
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  Speaker 2: Utah right now, I don't know what they want to be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to be a great
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  Speaker 2: offensive team or a great defensive team. Certainly last year's
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  Speaker 2: team was much more offensive oriented. They could score. They
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  Speaker 2: needed to score to make games competitive or to win.
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  Speaker 2: But then they get into the Big twelve conference and
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't guard. They couldn't guard anybody. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean they went to and sixteen in conference and I
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  Speaker 2: did two of their games this year, watch many many more.
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  Speaker 2: They could never feel like, they could never get stops
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  Speaker 2: when they needed to.
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  Speaker 3: Also, interior wise.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they just they missed. They missed out on everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'll give Keanu Dawes some credit because that
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  Speaker 2: six' Nine canada does. Like he was a very versatile
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  Speaker 2: big that was asked to be a power forward and
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  Speaker 2: a center at, times AND i thought he did it,
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  Speaker 2: well but he just needed.
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  Speaker 3: Help, man they. Didn't and in The big, twelve you
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  Speaker 3: got to be, rugged you got to be able.
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  Speaker 2: To protect the rims to even. COMPETE i, mean even
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  Speaker 2: B yu d W AU's roster was was more, talented
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  Speaker 2: AND i, thought, like on, paper should have been, better
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  Speaker 2: and they got swallowed.
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  Speaker 3: Up they couldn't guard D.
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  Speaker 2: Way he couldn't guard. Me And i'm forty forty five years,
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  Speaker 2: old washed Up. Bill i'm only good in the corner
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  Speaker 2: spot up corner. Shooter, otherwise, Yeah i'm. Useless so if
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  Speaker 2: you're in This big twelve, conference if you're not big
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  Speaker 2: and you're not, physical those are. Prerequisites SO i would start.
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  Speaker 2: There If I'm Alex jansen AND i need to build
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  Speaker 2: a team from the inside. Out last year's roster was
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  Speaker 2: built from the outside.
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  Speaker 1: IN i With Will cox on my podcast a couple
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  Speaker 1: not probably a month month and a half, ago and he,
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  Speaker 1: said you, know the one thing that we know is
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  Speaker 1: we have to be bigger and more. Physical there's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about. That they didn't have a point. Guard you,
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  Speaker 1: say built from the inside, out would you say the,
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  Speaker 1: physicality front, court rim, protection athletic. Wings they certainly need
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  Speaker 1: a more of a kind of a floor leader point.
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  Speaker 1: Guard but if you were putting together kind of that
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  Speaker 1: shopping list wish, list where would you start For?
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  Speaker 2: Utah, yeah SO i will start with center and a point.
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  Speaker 2: Guard they're the two most important positions in basketball in,
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  Speaker 2: general but certainly in college. BASKETBALL i, think to, me
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  Speaker 2: wings are way down the. List and that's coming from
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  Speaker 2: a FORMER i am a, Win i'm a, Guard i'm a,
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  Speaker 2: Wing i'm a shooting. GUARD i think that should be, third,
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  Speaker 2: fourth or fifth on your. Lists, yes a point guard and,
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  Speaker 2: look point guards come in all different shapes and. Sizes
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  Speaker 2: i'm learning. This like to, me it's like WOULD I i,
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  Speaker 2: know as a, PLAYER i prefer to play with a
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  Speaker 2: past first point, guard but there are plenty of scoring
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  Speaker 2: point guards that are. Awesome so like to, Me i'm not, Like,
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  Speaker 2: hey you have to get a guy who's a total,
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  Speaker 2: facilitator Like Jeremy sears junior At Michigan, state for, example
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  Speaker 2: or A Braiden smith At purdue to name the top
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  Speaker 2: two point guards in the. Country those guys are passed.
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  Speaker 2: First but there are other guys like A Kingston flemings
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  Speaker 2: as freshman At, houston who's more of a scoring point.
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  Speaker 2: Guard he can, pass but that guy is a he's a.
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  Speaker 2: Bucket and So i'm okay with either, style you, know
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  Speaker 2: but you definitely want a point guard that can handle
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  Speaker 2: the ball and make good. Decisions if you have a
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  Speaker 2: point guard that can't make good, decisions then you're behind
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  Speaker 2: the eight. Ball, ALSO i would prefer. SIZE i just
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  Speaker 2: would Like Braiden smith isn't very, big but he's an
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  Speaker 2: acception to the. Rule Braiden smith At purdue is an.
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  Speaker 2: Anomaly he's like a you, know like whoa where did
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  Speaker 2: that guy come. From most of the, time you want
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  Speaker 2: a guy who's got some sturdiness to him and who
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  Speaker 2: can guard on the defensive, end especially if you want
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  Speaker 2: to be a defensive, team it must start with like.
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  Speaker 2: DEFENSE i Mentioned Jeremy fears junior At Michigan state. Already
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the reason Why Michigan state is like
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a top fifteen team almost every. Year they always have
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: a really good point guard who can play both sides
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: of the. Ball their defense starts at the point of,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: attack or a point guard that can keep the ball
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  Speaker 2: in front and that can just you, know be that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Leader and then of course the center of the defensive.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Anchor to name me a really good defensive team in
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the country that doesn't have like a physical defensive. Center
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: you don't have to be elite shot. Blocking it. Helps
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you don't have to be elite shot, blocking but you've
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: got to be, physical, strong and put some resistance at the.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Rim utah had no resistance at the end of. Season
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Interesting one of the better defensive, teams though not as
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: good defensively this year as they've been in years, past Was,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: houston but they didn't have a big. MAN i Mean
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Jojo tugler is six foot. Eight he's not your traditional.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Butt he is in unbelievable. Guard he can guard the,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: ball but he can also block. Shots he's an unbelievable
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: defender for six foot.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Eight oh, yeah it's.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Like jojouler has been one of the.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Best and premier front court defenders in the.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Country.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like the it's not.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: A secret Why houston's been. Awesome and you, know Before Jojo,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: tugler it was you, know guys Like Sabian white or you,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Know Josh, carlton like they they always they, prioritize, Right
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: so if you want to follow a, model, OBVIOUSLY i
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: don't Think utah can follow the same model As Kevin
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: sampson And houston to the same, degree but to a
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: certain extent they. Can al roster is. Built once, again
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: when you ask, me like who who does it the best?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Way Dan, Hurley Kelvin, sampson Tj. Osselberger these are some
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of the guys who who don't they these coaches THAT
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: i mentioned aren't ranked in the top ten of recruiting every.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Year they just.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Aren't they definitely have guys who are three and four
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: star recruits and they have guys that you AND i
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: haven't heard of, before and they develop them and they
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: pop and it's because their culture and their. Identity it's.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Impressive, hey case thanks for doing this. Today it's great
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: catching up with. You National championship. Game michigan was a worthy.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Champion know that about. That it'll be fun to see
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in the coming days and weeks how this portal thing shakes.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Out but always great catching. Up we'll talk to you soon.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Anytime bill go to be with. Him thank, You.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Casey Casey jacobsen with us From Fox sports And Fox
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: sports won talking some college hoops