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Lord of the Rings · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey guys, and welcome to the Almost
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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. It's the finale recap episode. Oh my goodness
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Speaker 1: is right. Wow. I've never been so heart working for
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Speaker 1: a runner up in my life. So there's there's man
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Speaker 1: tears all across the US last night, just men and
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Speaker 1: women crying for Brandon or guy. Um, do you have
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Speaker 1: anything to like? Any life updates before we jump into
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Speaker 1: the pod, like the recap, I mean the big stuff
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Speaker 1: right now is obviously the holidays are coming up. When
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Speaker 1: we've got to we've got to take a second. Just
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Speaker 1: wish everybody the best family time, friend time. If you're
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Speaker 1: stuck at home, uh and you're just hanging out because
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Speaker 1: of for whatever reasons this year, I hope you can
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Speaker 1: find some joy in that, some celebration that the culture
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Speaker 1: on a Christmas So you can watch him and I
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Speaker 1: got a tattoo last night. That's a big deal. That
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Speaker 1: is a big family update. Why didn't I write that down?
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Speaker 1: So your your husband L O L. Your dad has
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Speaker 1: been married for thirty eight years, okay, but he's never
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Speaker 1: worn a ring. I'm like, okay, don't tell your dad.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not down for that. Okay, I like it
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Speaker 1: when a man wears a wedding ring. I get it.
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Speaker 1: I do. Uh yeah, you know he has these like
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Speaker 1: little like you know the people that have like little
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Speaker 1: sausage fingers. Well, he's got that. He's got a weird knuckle,
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Speaker 1: and I have never known him to wear a ring.
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Speaker 1: And I've also never known a man who loves his
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Speaker 1: wife more. And so after a while, I honestly just
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Speaker 1: think my mom was like whatever, Like I'm it's not
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Speaker 1: even an issue to argue with this because I'd like
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Speaker 1: he I know she would like she just needs it's cool. Um.
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Speaker 1: But after thirty eight years, you know, some things go
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Speaker 1: out the window and just kind of get And so
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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of a ring, not because
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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of a symbol wearing. I
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Speaker 1: get really like fidgety with rings. I've never been a
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Speaker 1: little wear a ring. I've never been like fine, I
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Speaker 1: always take it off, I flip it. I would get
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Speaker 1: super nervous of losing it. And so I always knew
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Speaker 1: I want to get a tattoo. Even when Jess and
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Speaker 1: I started dating, I was like, I would like to
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Speaker 1: get a ring tattoo, and then I have a ring
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Speaker 1: to wear on special occasions. And then I thought, well,
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Speaker 1: why don't I do this with my dad. I think
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Speaker 1: he'd be down for it. My dad doesn't have any
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Speaker 1: tattoos now, and so I asked him and he immediately
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Speaker 1: said yes, he's like that's a great idea. And then
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Speaker 1: my mom like got emotional about it. She's like, he's
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Speaker 1: never wear a ring and now he's gonna get one
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Speaker 1: tattooed on. This is so special. So yeah, well yesterday
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Speaker 1: he got tattoos. It was it was great. How do
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Speaker 1: he tolerate it? I don't have a tattoo, so I
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Speaker 1: don't know how it feels. Uh, the fingers like super easy.
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Speaker 1: The finger really like doesn't hurt at all. There's like
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Speaker 1: very little nerves there. And so he just sat there.
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Speaker 1: He he was funny, He acted real tough. He kind
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Speaker 1: of like had a little swagger walking at a tattoo
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Speaker 1: parlor because he's tatted up. It was pretty good. Hey,
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Speaker 1: can we get our producers in here for a second.
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Speaker 1: Just as like a pole, do you guys look out
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Speaker 1: for wedding rings when you look at just anyone, like
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Speaker 1: I know that, well, some of you guys are married,
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Speaker 1: some of you are single. Do you look for wedding bands?
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Speaker 1: Does it say anything about a human? I think it.
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Speaker 1: I think it does. I mean, I'm so old school,
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Speaker 1: but when I see a ring on a guy's finger,
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Speaker 1: I definitely think like, oh, somebody um wants to be
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Speaker 1: with him. You know, he must be like a kind
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Speaker 1: of a stand up guy, reliable, loyal, committed. I think
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Speaker 1: it says a lot. Um. Danielle, our producer says, definitely
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Speaker 1: looks out for one um, and then one of our says,
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Speaker 1: I look out and judge. Apparently they all look. So
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Speaker 1: my question now is like, do people look at people
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Speaker 1: like your dad who haven't warn a ring and been like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that man is single. Do they automatically assume he's single?
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Speaker 1: Or do they think, oh, he could be married and
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Speaker 1: doesn't wear a ring. It does that matter? Doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? I don't know if it matters.
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Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean, I you know, I think
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Speaker 1: I think it's a good pull to take. However, here's
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Speaker 1: what the guy told me that was giving me the
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Speaker 1: tattoo last night. He goes, sometimes it's more dangerous to
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Speaker 1: wear a ring out for a guy and a girl
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Speaker 1: because some people like that too. People like the challenge,
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Speaker 1: right challenge, and that's messed up. Yes, I'm not okay
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Speaker 1: with any part of that, but uh, you know, I
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Speaker 1: just don't think it's that big of a deal because
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Speaker 1: here's the truth, ring or not. I'm a married man.
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Speaker 1: I'm a happily married man. I'm a committed married man
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Speaker 1: that won't change, like, um, even if life goes sideways
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Speaker 1: and we have a really hard season, that's not going
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Speaker 1: to change for me. But that's the commitment I made
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Speaker 1: when I stood at the altar, and so yes, a
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Speaker 1: ring is a really good way to like publicly show that.
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Speaker 1: And I think that would just throw with the listeners. Listeners,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? Did I make a tear a decision?
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Speaker 1: You know, I love your tattoo ring. Your tattoo ring
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Speaker 1: counts just as much if not, you know, if not more,
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Speaker 1: that is temporary. That is not that's not temporary, That
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Speaker 1: is not temporary, that is super permanent. You can't take
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Speaker 1: it off like talk about commitment. You can't have anyone
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Speaker 1: come up to you like you could never like go
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Speaker 1: out and not wear your ring and be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm not wearing my ring. Let's see if any girls
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Speaker 1: come up to me like, no, you got it there?
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Speaker 1: I love it. And last night last night, Michelle got
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Speaker 1: a ring, a beautiful real lane ring. Oh, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk all about it here. Coming up, Let's take a break.
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Speaker 1: We come back with the Almost Fous podcast. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: break down the finale episode for Michelle's season. It was
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Speaker 1: an emotional one. We'renna talk about Caitlin Bristow uh kind
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Speaker 1: of shockingly with surprise hosting the finale alone. We're also
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Ashley's reactions and did she cry last
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Speaker 1: night watching the episode. Will be back with the Almost
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Speaker 1: series pot guests. All right, let's start off by talking
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Speaker 1: about Caitlin. Because Caitlin, I guess last minute, got word
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Speaker 1: that she was going to have to host the finale herself.
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Speaker 1: Tasia had been exposed to COVID wasn't able to be
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Speaker 1: up there with her. It was Caitlin's first live show.
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Speaker 1: She was already nervous about it being live because these
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Speaker 1: other um you know, mental alls and the other um
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Speaker 1: after final rows that they did was pre taped, so
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Speaker 1: she was already more nervous about this one. And I
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Speaker 1: just got to say, I think she did the most
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Speaker 1: amazing job, Like given all the extra pressure, I think
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Speaker 1: that it was her best performance as a host. I agree.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and there's so many things about that live show.
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Speaker 1: It's difficult, you know, reading from a teleprompter and making
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Speaker 1: it seem natural, so hard, harder than you ever and
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Speaker 1: what people don't know what many people do, but what
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Speaker 1: you know, what I was surprised by when I was
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Speaker 1: the show is mental. All is not live. It's in
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Speaker 1: front of a live audience, but there stops, their starts,
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Speaker 1: It takes eight hours to film. There's there's stuff that
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Speaker 1: they cut out after Funnel Rose is completely live and
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Speaker 1: she is on. If she messes up, it's on her.
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Speaker 1: If she gets nervous and loses her train of thought. Me,
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Speaker 1: how many times and and I think most listeners can
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Speaker 1: relate with this, How many times have you been doing
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Speaker 1: something that you're super familiar with it, you're super confident
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Speaker 1: and you just like have a brain fart, like you
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Speaker 1: just totally blank out. Like Caitlin did great. Um, she
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Speaker 1: really showed off how good she is at this and
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Speaker 1: how naturally good as she is at this, because like
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Speaker 1: you were saying, it's not like Caitlin had a week
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Speaker 1: to prep knowing this was coming up, Like she just
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Speaker 1: had to jump into and be like, I'm gonna give
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Speaker 1: it my best shot. And she did awesome. She also
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Speaker 1: like made it her own. You know, you can tell
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Speaker 1: like the little things that she added to make it
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Speaker 1: her own, and she got a lot of warmth, especially
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Speaker 1: when talking to Brandon. I loved her performance. Good job, bravo, Caitlin.
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Speaker 1: She should be so proud. We are so proud of her. Alright, yes, Ben,
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Speaker 1: And if you want to listen more of Caitlin, we
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Speaker 1: just recorded an episode with her last week that's out
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Speaker 1: that you should go back and listen to. This is
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Speaker 1: before she knew she was going to be the live
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Speaker 1: host alone, but she did talk a lot about hosting
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Speaker 1: kind of her philosophy going into it. So they sure
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Speaker 1: you go back and check that out. The alright, so
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Speaker 1: let's start out with the first you know, big moments.
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Speaker 1: We see that you know, you know, Brandon is meeting
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Speaker 1: the family again. We already had Brandon meet the family
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, back when they're filming in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, they thought he was a sweet guy.
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Speaker 1: Then I don't know that they were overwhelmed with love
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Speaker 1: for him. Then, um they were. It seemed like his
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Speaker 1: dad was her dad was a little bit shy around him.
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Speaker 1: Then um didn't have a lot to say. And this
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Speaker 1: time it was like the family was just in love
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Speaker 1: with Brandon. They the dad gave his blessing. Um. Brandon
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Speaker 1: says that he would move to Minnesota, which is of
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Speaker 1: course they loved her. Mom said that they would be
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Speaker 1: so happy if Brandon was part of the family, said
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Speaker 1: that she could just see in Brandon's eyes that he
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Speaker 1: really loves her. Like everybody was just like I want
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Speaker 1: to I want you to be part of the family.
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Speaker 1: And then Brandon was like I really want to be
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Speaker 1: part of this family, and you're like, okay, this poor
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Speaker 1: Nate has like just no chance now. Oh. I mean
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Speaker 1: it was really a turning point for us too, is
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Speaker 1: when Brandon started to just become another character and then
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Speaker 1: actually started to be a front runner. I mean he
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Speaker 1: was always a front runner, but we were like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, like this guy, he connects. They like him.
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Speaker 1: And then last week, after she got rid of Joe
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Speaker 1: kept Brandon around. I was really like, I think this
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Speaker 1: might be the dude he might be a shocker toes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I thought last week that last week was the first
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Speaker 1: week I started thinking, like, Okay, I think they're like
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Speaker 1: is unequal, Like I feel like he is so in
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Speaker 1: love head over heels with this girl, and I think
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Speaker 1: she she likes him and loves him, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, she really likes him and she loves him
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Speaker 1: as a person. And this week he was saying, was
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Speaker 1: so much certainty, I can't wait to marry her. Just
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Speaker 1: was like I'm spending the rest of my life with her.
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Speaker 1: It was with such certainty. And then at the end
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Speaker 1: of the night because you know, oh no, no, whoops,
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Speaker 1: I forgot. First we meet, Nate meets to the families,
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Speaker 1: and then they have the one on one day. It's okay,
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Speaker 1: so let's go into Nate meeting the family. He does
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Speaker 1: not exactly show up the way that Brendan does. He's
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Speaker 1: obviously far more nervous. He has less like flowy, flowery language, right,
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Speaker 1: and it seems like the family likes the flowery language.
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Speaker 1: They like how open and invulnerable he is, which, of course,
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Speaker 1: like every family is going to want to hear all
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Speaker 1: those amazing things like I think your daughter is the
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Speaker 1: most incredible person that can't want the rest of my
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Speaker 1: life with her. Like every family wants to hear this,
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Speaker 1: but Nate's like not really good at verbalizing it. But
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Speaker 1: at the same time, like, how weird is it to
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Speaker 1: say that stuff to a family that you're meaning for
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Speaker 1: the very first time. Yeah, it's it's a different philosophy
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Speaker 1: now to kind of go on Nate side for a second.
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Speaker 1: We saw it with his own family. It's not like
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Speaker 1: he's putting on a show here and not like he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't have the it doesn't seem like
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Speaker 1: he has that family dynamic where he knows what to
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Speaker 1: say because there hasn't been that openness in that vulnerability.
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Speaker 1: We saw that and can kind of draw the parallels
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Speaker 1: now between Michelle's family and how he felt with his family.
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Speaker 1: Never say I love you to his own dad, Like
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be like saying like I love
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Speaker 1: your daughter. This can that they meet No, And I mean,
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Speaker 1: my biggest not criticism of Brandon, to go back to
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Speaker 1: Brandon for a second, has always been that I felt
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Speaker 1: like he's always chasing after like he's trying really hardness.
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Speaker 1: It's disingenuous. I mean, obviously we now we see like
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Speaker 1: how much he does care about her. But like I
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Speaker 1: was always like, you know, I just want this dude
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Speaker 1: to relax a little bit, Like I want to see
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Speaker 1: him just be him and like not be not say
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Speaker 1: the right thing and not be always like super excited,
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Speaker 1: just like be him. And they, you know, was the
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Speaker 1: guy that definitely was a little bit like more calm
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Speaker 1: and collected to this whole season. Um. But but he
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Speaker 1: lost his fitting here. He definitely wasn't like he wasn't
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Speaker 1: collected here. You can see that he was at a
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Speaker 1: loss for words. He was visibly nervous. But it's okay.
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Speaker 1: You Like, I wanted to keep defending him because, like
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Speaker 1: I think, meeting the parents is already a nerve racking thing,
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Speaker 1: let alone in this environment. And they didn't let him
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Speaker 1: down easy at all. They were asking tough questions. They're
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Speaker 1: talking about moving to Minnesota. He was kind of vague
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Speaker 1: about that. Uh, they didn't they didn't like that. Um.
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Speaker 1: Then even his her mom said, like, we didn't get
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Speaker 1: like the warm vibes from him right off the bat
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Speaker 1: like we did with Brendan. The mom initially says that
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Speaker 1: Brandon was a warmer personality right off the bat. She
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Speaker 1: then tells Michelle that she doesn't think that Nate is
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Speaker 1: ready for engagement, and Michelle gets really emotional about this.
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Speaker 1: She faces Nate afterward, you know, they leave the family,
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Speaker 1: and she tries to reassure He says he's very much
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Speaker 1: ready to get down on one knee. Um, he just
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Speaker 1: doesn't like like being basically, I totally understand what he's
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Speaker 1: going through. He doesn't want to count his eggs before
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Speaker 1: they hatch. Right, So the family is like, well, what
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Speaker 1: about this? Like what about that? Like what if you
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Speaker 1: aren't the last one, the last guy standing? And he's like,
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Speaker 1: I don't really want to think about that. Like I'm
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Speaker 1: trying not to put any negativity out there, and me,
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Speaker 1: as somebody who like is all about the power of positivity,
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Speaker 1: I also wouldn't want to put that out there. You
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Speaker 1: want to project what you want, and like, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like he just gets awkward about talking
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Speaker 1: about certain things because he's just like, um, I am
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Speaker 1: just hoping that that's not how it goes. Uh, So
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Speaker 1: like he just yeah, I don't know. I mean, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I know it's confusing, but and I'm
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Speaker 1: not like not understanding where rene comes from, because I
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Speaker 1: do get it, and it's a weird circumstance. But when
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Speaker 1: you fall in love, you do throw all your eggs
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Speaker 1: in one basket, like you're ready to do anything to
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Speaker 1: make that happen. Okay, you're right, Ben, darn it, you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean you would, just I was just expecting, well,
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Speaker 1: you can. And I'm not saying like I don't trust
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Speaker 1: the dude or believe in him or think it's real.
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Speaker 1: I hope they work, and I'm like, I'm super happy.
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Speaker 1: But I liked all these guys that were down in
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Speaker 1: the final couple of weeks, like I think they're all
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Speaker 1: like good dudes, but like when you fall in love, actually,
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Speaker 1: when you fall in love, like you throw all your
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Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. When you fall in love, you
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Speaker 1: commit to whatever the good and the bad is going
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Speaker 1: to be that comes to you. And so I was
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Speaker 1: a little surprised with Nate and still his reservations around
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Speaker 1: the family and around this week, because in my mind,
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Speaker 1: and not everybody is going to handle love the same way,
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Speaker 1: but in my mind, Brandon just was so all in
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Speaker 1: in that it made me nervous for where Nate stands,
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Speaker 1: and that's it. I'll say, you're just right. You're right,
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Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about how I've handled my experiences on
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Speaker 1: the show, and I have been like I was more
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Speaker 1: out there than ever when it came to like me
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Speaker 1: being like I need this, I want this, like I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to give up on this, even though like
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Speaker 1: in real life, I probably would have been a little
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Speaker 1: bit more reserved. So this process, in my experience, made
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Speaker 1: me more vocal about everything. It looks like it made
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Speaker 1: Brandon more vocal about everything, and it made Nate well,
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Speaker 1: maybe just stay the same. I didn't see a lot
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Speaker 1: of and you can listeners, please are you that's part
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Speaker 1: of this. But I didn't see a lot of advancement
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Speaker 1: emotionally or romantically from Nate from the start of the season.
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Speaker 1: To be it well, Michelle says that she did, and
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Speaker 1: then she says, we didn't see it. Okay, we didn't
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Speaker 1: see it. No, we didn't see much. We didn't see much.
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Speaker 1: I do think that, like at the proposal, we did.
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Speaker 1: The proposal was a turning point. And then she says
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Speaker 1: on after the final rows that now like he's just
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Speaker 1: as vulnerable and communicative as she has been, if not
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Speaker 1: more so, that's that's great, and you would hope the
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Speaker 1: proposal would be a really good romantic, emotional stamp place
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Speaker 1: where you would say, Hey, I love you and I
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Speaker 1: want to commit to you. I trust her, I mean
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Speaker 1: I always have. Michelle, I think is one of been
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Speaker 1: one of the best all around leads this show has
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Speaker 1: ever seen. I think she did it really well. I
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Speaker 1: think she handled the controversy well, the drama well. I
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Speaker 1: think she asked good questions. So I do trust her
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Speaker 1: obviously with this, and I have to believe that I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying as a viewers standpoint, because that's the only
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Speaker 1: place I could come from is I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: And that why I was more reserved on date than
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Speaker 1: I was with Brandon when it came to how they
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Speaker 1: felt about Michelle. I completely concur All right, let's get
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Speaker 1: into Brandon and Michelle's last date. The big thing is
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Speaker 1: that Michelle starts out by saying that she is really
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Speaker 1: falling for Brandon, but doesn't want to go into an
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Speaker 1: engagement falling in love. She wants to be in love,
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Speaker 1: and the big moment is that she legitimately tells Brandon
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Speaker 1: while sitting down on the couch during like their final
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Speaker 1: you know alone moments together, says I'm not falling with
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Speaker 1: for you, I love you, and we in that moment,
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Speaker 1: I think as an audience, we were like, okay, so
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Speaker 1: she's gonna pick him or she's gonna pull Ben Higgins
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Speaker 1: and say I love you to two people, which so
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Speaker 1: many people have done since, which so many I mean,
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Speaker 1: it just seems like it's became a good, a really good,
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Speaker 1: like at least people now are saying it. Uh. This
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Speaker 1: this was intense because I think you can make a
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Speaker 1: lot of parallels with this in my experience where you
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think she was conflicted. I think she
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Speaker 1: was confused. I think there was a lot of emotions
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Speaker 1: running around, and I think she had two incredible people
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Speaker 1: standing in front of her. She had really strong feelings
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Speaker 1: from both uh, and so I get it. I have.
19:25
Speaker 1: I saw you know, Twitter last night, and I saw
19:28
Speaker 1: the not they hate. I don't think Michelle has got
19:30
Speaker 1: a lot of hate, but I saw the differences of
19:32
Speaker 1: opinions on what she did and why she said it.
19:37
Speaker 1: But when you're in the moment, you feel like, hey,
19:39
Speaker 1: if I'm going to at least for me saying goodbye
19:43
Speaker 1: to somebody, and I don't know quite who, and that
19:45
Speaker 1: feels weird to be I at least want to to
19:48
Speaker 1: know how much I care. That's pretty much what she
19:51
Speaker 1: says on after the final rest, She's like, I just
19:53
Speaker 1: didn't want to hold back, like that's how I was feeling,
19:56
Speaker 1: and I wanted you to know that's how much you
19:58
Speaker 1: meant to me. I think in five years, you know,
20:03
Speaker 1: hopefully she's still with Nate, thinks are great. She can
20:07
Speaker 1: take a second breathe and look back and say that
20:09
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't the wisest thing. That's what I would
20:11
Speaker 1: say about myself, wasn't it wasn't the wisest thing. I
20:14
Speaker 1: was definitely letting my emotions speak from my mind. But
20:18
Speaker 1: in the moment, it's so hard to know what the
20:23
Speaker 1: right thing to do is. You really just have to
20:25
Speaker 1: start saying I'm gonna say whatever I feel and whatever
20:28
Speaker 1: I do it is true, and I'm just gonna say
20:30
Speaker 1: it and hopefully it works out, and if it does,
20:32
Speaker 1: it I don't know what to do about it. Yeah, yeah,
20:37
Speaker 1: I understand. I wonder if Michelle knew though in that moment,
20:42
Speaker 1: that she was going to pick Nate, Like I wonder
20:44
Speaker 1: how long she knew because you know, it's just one
20:49
Speaker 1: of them. It's another one of those first impression Rose things.
20:53
Speaker 1: You know, we have a long list. I think at
20:55
Speaker 1: the end of the episode, we're going to talk about, um,
20:57
Speaker 1: all the leads that have picked their first and shown
21:00
Speaker 1: and it's like love at first sight. Right, Well, I
21:03
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have the opportunity to talk to Michelle,
21:05
Speaker 1: aren't you. Pretty soon you can be asking this question, Yes,
21:09
Speaker 1: let's do I'll do that. Um. But that reminds me
21:12
Speaker 1: of just like I'm thinking maybe going off of the
21:16
Speaker 1: family date, the you know, the family meeting, maybe Michelle
21:20
Speaker 1: was like, I really should be with Brendan Brandon. I
21:26
Speaker 1: wonder if she felt a lot of pressure from that.
21:27
Speaker 1: That is something I'm going to ask her to And
21:31
Speaker 1: how relatable is that on this Uh when we watch
21:34
Speaker 1: the show. For those that are listening that have been
21:37
Speaker 1: fans of the show and the podcast for years, how
21:40
Speaker 1: many times it really stands out to me? Was the
21:45
Speaker 1: Peter and one that almost says well yeah, but laughable
21:48
Speaker 1: now is the Jojo season with Robbie. Uh in Jordan's
21:52
Speaker 1: where the family loved Robbie. They did Eileen remember that
21:57
Speaker 1: oh my, yes, you know, sometimes the family doesn't always
22:02
Speaker 1: know the whole story or that, you know, they just
22:05
Speaker 1: get to get some pieces when somebody can turn it
22:07
Speaker 1: on for a couple of minutes and really be likable.
22:11
Speaker 1: So I don't look too far into that. But yeah,
22:14
Speaker 1: I this one was hard because unlike you know, I
22:19
Speaker 1: would like to think this, but unlike maybe Jojo season Brandon,
22:23
Speaker 1: I think is as really through the whole episode two
22:26
Speaker 1: and through the live showing, he drew out of fans
22:29
Speaker 1: because they can tell he was ready and he was open,
22:32
Speaker 1: and he was just being himself the best he could
22:34
Speaker 1: and he didn't want anything out of this other of
22:36
Speaker 1: the Michelle. And that's why I think so many people
22:38
Speaker 1: react so strongly emotionally, a lot of people to his
22:44
Speaker 1: conversation with Caitlin and then his conversation with Michelle. Yeah,
22:48
Speaker 1: and he continues to call Michelle like his future wife
22:52
Speaker 1: with certainty throughout the episode, throughout the date, but to
22:56
Speaker 1: the next day Michelle has her last date with Nate
23:00
Speaker 1: in which he really does have like that conversation for
23:04
Speaker 1: the first time where it's probably that scene when they
23:07
Speaker 1: were on the bench. So let's take a break here
23:11
Speaker 1: then and when we come back, we're to talk about
23:13
Speaker 1: that conversation on the bench because it is one that
23:16
Speaker 1: seems to be at turning point for Michelle and Nate
23:19
Speaker 1: and for so many watching, So we'll come back with
23:21
Speaker 1: all the sus podcasts. Before this bench conversation, we see
23:36
Speaker 1: him super awkward with a shaman and the shaman's like,
23:39
Speaker 1: you have walls up, and I'm like, oh gosh, Nate's
23:42
Speaker 1: really like in the bed here. I feel like Brandon
23:46
Speaker 1: is the shoe in. Michelle is not gonna be able
23:49
Speaker 1: to like go into finale day with with this guy
23:52
Speaker 1: that just seems like too uncertain about everything. Um. But
23:58
Speaker 1: then they have this bench conversation him and he goes like,
24:02
Speaker 1: I came on this show with two suits thinking I
24:04
Speaker 1: was not going to make it to the end, and
24:07
Speaker 1: now here I am. I'm madly in love. This could
24:09
Speaker 1: be like that. You could be like the person I'm
24:12
Speaker 1: going to be with for the rest of my life.
24:14
Speaker 1: He says that he's scared that he's gonna get heartbroken.
24:17
Speaker 1: Michelle is like, this is what I wanted you to
24:20
Speaker 1: be saying the entire time. She's like I'm scared as well.
24:24
Speaker 1: And then he was like this could be like my
24:27
Speaker 1: last conversation before proposal. He worries if he's expressing himself enough,
24:32
Speaker 1: like I think he's like, I keep trying, like I've
24:35
Speaker 1: never wanted to be more expressive in my life. Michelle
24:39
Speaker 1: says that she's really stressed out, and Nate says that
24:43
Speaker 1: he's happy that the conversation with her mom. You know
24:49
Speaker 1: that the conversation with her mom in which she said,
24:53
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's ready to get engaged, was
24:57
Speaker 1: actually what started this ben conversation. So therefore he's happy
25:03
Speaker 1: that it like they had it so like now they
25:05
Speaker 1: can really hash this out. But he says that he's
25:08
Speaker 1: now never been more certain about somebody. He's ready for
25:11
Speaker 1: a proposal. Um. He all he does all day long
25:16
Speaker 1: is think about the rest of his life with her,
25:19
Speaker 1: and he's scared that if he walks away tomorrow and
25:22
Speaker 1: then when when he wakes up tomorrow, it could be
25:25
Speaker 1: the last day that he ever gets to see Michelle.
25:29
Speaker 1: And then they tell each other that they love her,
25:31
Speaker 1: that you know that they love each other, and it's
25:35
Speaker 1: anoint it is it is it's it's something that was needed.
25:39
Speaker 1: I think leading up to that last proposal, it was
25:45
Speaker 1: a turning point for us. Can I pause you for
25:48
Speaker 1: a second and get your feedback on something this shaman deal?
25:53
Speaker 1: Why do they love saman so much? Yeah? That's that
25:56
Speaker 1: was My thing is like this seems helpful, it seems cool,
25:58
Speaker 1: but it comes up every season? Is this little like
26:02
Speaker 1: either intimacy coach or shaman? Uh? You know it just
26:06
Speaker 1: it doesn't do much for me as as a date
26:09
Speaker 1: idea because typically in my memory, maybe somebody can correct me,
26:16
Speaker 1: the shaman usually just brings up insecurities or negativity around
26:19
Speaker 1: the relationship for the person. That's usually what happens here
26:22
Speaker 1: is like the thing we all expect this person by
26:27
Speaker 1: the way, I'm sitting outside, I'm sorry, it's the only
26:28
Speaker 1: place I have in the house, but that you can
26:32
Speaker 1: hear mower going why. But uh, typically the only the
26:37
Speaker 1: only thing that comes up as negativity and it doesn't
26:40
Speaker 1: ever seem helpful for relationship. Maybe here it was because
26:43
Speaker 1: it did allow them to start talking. But I don't
26:45
Speaker 1: know if I'm a fan of them, of those dates,
26:48
Speaker 1: of those dates, I know it's probably just the producer's
26:51
Speaker 1: way of a topic being brought up that maybe it
26:55
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been natural for either one of the couple
26:58
Speaker 1: to bring up. Okay, So then they get back from
27:03
Speaker 1: their date and Michelle has a note from Brandon. It's
27:07
Speaker 1: like the most over the top thing. It makes me
27:10
Speaker 1: just cringe now thinking that she's going to pick Nate
27:15
Speaker 1: because at the end of their date she says something like,
27:19
Speaker 1: my heart is telling me that Nate is my person.
27:22
Speaker 1: And now she just has to get hit with this
27:25
Speaker 1: guilt in a way. You know, just this guy who
27:28
Speaker 1: just is talking so much about his love for her
27:32
Speaker 1: now and forever and even if it's not him, that
27:36
Speaker 1: she needs to follow her heart and that like he's
27:40
Speaker 1: never loved like this ever, and like it's such a
27:44
Speaker 1: selfless love and it's just like, oh my god, this
27:47
Speaker 1: guy is like he's gonna be broken, and I can't
27:53
Speaker 1: watch this guy be so broken. I all I want
27:56
Speaker 1: is that is like, well, guess this is this is
28:00
Speaker 1: the Bachelor lead in right, like his future Bachelor application.
28:06
Speaker 1: But it's just like all I want is this guy
28:08
Speaker 1: to find somebody who loves him the same way that
28:11
Speaker 1: he is capable of loving another. Um. Yeah, yeah, both
28:20
Speaker 1: he's not I mean not that not that it couldn't
28:26
Speaker 1: happen down the road, but still it just seems like
28:29
Speaker 1: it would have made a lot of sense. But I
28:31
Speaker 1: guess it would have if it was spoiled, you know,
28:34
Speaker 1: like if Brandon was the bachelor. There's no way if
28:39
Speaker 1: I understand why, I understand why this has happened. You know,
28:42
Speaker 1: you can't hide the filming of Clayton, you know, like
28:47
Speaker 1: you just can't hide it. So they couldn't have had
28:50
Speaker 1: Brandon be the bachelor because then the entire season of
28:54
Speaker 1: Michelle's would have been totally ruined and spoiled. Anyway, both
29:00
Speaker 1: guys picked their Neil Lane rings and this is the
29:04
Speaker 1: moment that Michelle meets Brandon at the altar with the
29:13
Speaker 1: ocean waves way too loud, way way too loud. Couldn't
29:19
Speaker 1: hear her? Couldn't hear mis tweeted last night and apologized
29:23
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, he's like, sorry, there's nothing we could do.
29:27
Speaker 1: The waves are a lot louder than expect that. They
29:30
Speaker 1: owed up to it. Yeah, like you couldn't hear Michelle
29:34
Speaker 1: at all. But you know it's fine. That makes it
29:37
Speaker 1: kind of like real life, you know, it's like, oh,
29:39
Speaker 1: they kind of messed up. They were really close to
29:42
Speaker 1: the water anyway, So um, Brandon, well, Brandon later that
29:49
Speaker 1: after final Rose says, like, you can't lie with your
29:51
Speaker 1: eyes like I can see. I can tell everything you're
29:53
Speaker 1: feeling through your eyes, Like I knew when I got
29:55
Speaker 1: up there that it wasn't me. Yeah, which is pretty heartbreaking,
30:00
Speaker 1: but at least like you had a little warning. He
30:05
Speaker 1: says he found his missing piece with her, and they
30:08
Speaker 1: have something special that he will never find again. Please Brandon,
30:12
Speaker 1: go find it again. You must find it. Um. He
30:16
Speaker 1: says he doesn't want to spend another second without her, Um,
30:19
Speaker 1: that he hasn't met anyone that she and she says like,
30:22
Speaker 1: I've never met anyone like you, and I do love you,
30:24
Speaker 1: but I promise myself to follow my heart, and my
30:28
Speaker 1: heart is pushing me in a different direction. They both
30:31
Speaker 1: start crying. She says, I love you again as walking
30:35
Speaker 1: him out, which you know, I think it's actually like
30:38
Speaker 1: quite nice. She really does love him as a person,
30:41
Speaker 1: And then we just continue to see him sob and
30:44
Speaker 1: sigh and oh, it was really one of the most emotional,
30:53
Speaker 1: you know, finale exits I can ever remember, because a
30:56
Speaker 1: lot of people get defensive and a lot of them
31:00
Speaker 1: get angry in that final moment, but he was just
31:03
Speaker 1: straight up sad. Some people you're like, oh, you know,
31:08
Speaker 1: they're gonna be fine. Just with Brandon, I did not.
31:13
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be fine, but there wasn't that
31:16
Speaker 1: like that sense there he loves her. He does, he does.
31:21
Speaker 1: I mean that's very obvious. But you gotta feel for
31:25
Speaker 1: the guy. You got his heartbroken, and we all none
31:27
Speaker 1: of us like to see that. I mean, it happens
31:30
Speaker 1: on this show, it happens in life, but it's just
31:32
Speaker 1: always hard. Uh. He's he's gonna be fine, but I
31:37
Speaker 1: do feel with Brandon, it's going to take him a while.
31:39
Speaker 1: I've never uh, meeting with a runner up a few
31:44
Speaker 1: years ago Ashley and I won't say who, but I
31:47
Speaker 1: remember meeting with the runner up and he had very
31:50
Speaker 1: similar feelings to this. He was heartbroken. This was months
31:54
Speaker 1: after the break up, months and he was heartbroken. He
31:58
Speaker 1: really was. He was crying on make how uh and
32:01
Speaker 1: he didn't know how to navigate life. I get it
32:08
Speaker 1: now they're fine, right, it's been a few years, but
32:10
Speaker 1: there's still this. Yeah, you know, love is love and
32:14
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a hard thing, but it's
32:15
Speaker 1: not worth it if you don't, you know, if you're
32:17
Speaker 1: not willing to taking some pain, so feel for Brandon there.
32:21
Speaker 1: It's one of those moments that, like, it kind of
32:23
Speaker 1: sucks because sometimes I feel like these finales are overshadowed
32:27
Speaker 1: by the breakup. U like the engagements get overshadowed by
32:31
Speaker 1: the breakup beforehand, where you're left thinking more about that
32:35
Speaker 1: than you were the engagement in the Happy Couple. I
32:38
Speaker 1: think this is one of those seasons. Yeah, yeah, because
32:44
Speaker 1: more people are gonna be talking about Brandon today than
32:46
Speaker 1: Michelle and Nate. I feel like even though Michelle and Bates,
32:50
Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah, I think it happens most seasons. Yeah,
32:53
Speaker 1: I think it just does. I think it's part of
32:55
Speaker 1: the beast. So well, let's uh, let's move on now
32:58
Speaker 1: to celebrate the happy couple. Uh, Michelle and Date they
33:03
Speaker 1: want to wish the best here because I think this
33:07
Speaker 1: top four that Michelle had was some of the best
33:11
Speaker 1: top four we've seen a long time. I thought these
33:13
Speaker 1: guys were all charismatic, they all had incredible storylines, they
33:18
Speaker 1: all connected at some level with Michelle, and so for
33:22
Speaker 1: Nate to rise above those guys and too have Michelle's
33:26
Speaker 1: heart and for Michelle to have his heart something we
33:29
Speaker 1: got to celebrate, so we're super excited for the minute.
33:31
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. I thought, I feel for this couple,
33:33
Speaker 1: even though they won't be the ones talked about. There's
33:35
Speaker 1: been some seasons as of recent where you and I
33:37
Speaker 1: are like, this is just weird. The ending felt odd,
33:40
Speaker 1: it fell off, It felt like we didn't connect with it.
33:43
Speaker 1: This season, we you know, really felt like, at least
33:46
Speaker 1: for me, I connected with this couple. Just to go
33:50
Speaker 1: back a few seasons Katie and Blake, we fell off
33:52
Speaker 1: with that for sure, and then we with Matt and Rachel,
33:55
Speaker 1: We're also like, where is this gonna go? But here
33:57
Speaker 1: I feel like they are truly happy. Uh. They are
34:02
Speaker 1: like really glowing together. There's no issues. I thought that
34:06
Speaker 1: because of the teasers there was gonna be some sort
34:08
Speaker 1: of twist. There really wasn't. No. I thought that maybe, yeah,
34:14
Speaker 1: I thought maybe that would be evident at after the
34:16
Speaker 1: final rows, like that's where the twist would be. But nope,
34:18
Speaker 1: they like showed up. They were so happy together, and
34:21
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to hopefully get a bachelor couple that
34:25
Speaker 1: lasts a while, if not forever. Now I think I
34:29
Speaker 1: think they're being a shot with them. I really do.
34:32
Speaker 1: I think, and I just feel, you know, like I said,
34:36
Speaker 1: with Michelle being as good at this whole process issue
34:39
Speaker 1: was leading. I think she made a decision that she
34:42
Speaker 1: knew was right and it seemed like it just was
34:44
Speaker 1: solidified on the final episode and on the live show.
34:48
Speaker 1: But again, for as much you want to celebrate them too,
34:52
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, Caitlin Bristow handling
34:55
Speaker 1: this whole thing so well, uh and really helping us
34:59
Speaker 1: connect with this couple as we want to celebrate them
35:03
Speaker 1: on after the final rose, I think she I think
35:05
Speaker 1: she crushed it and she did a great job. Thinks
35:08
Speaker 1: so too. All right, Well, I'm going to um have
35:14
Speaker 1: Michelle on the podcast later today another episode, and I'm
35:19
Speaker 1: going to ask her a whole bunch of things that
35:21
Speaker 1: came up at after the final rows, including that down
35:24
Speaker 1: payment on a house lucky duckies, Yeah, and how she
35:32
Speaker 1: felt about choosing somebody that her family was not as
35:36
Speaker 1: down for her to choose. Wow. All right, well, hey,
35:40
Speaker 1: we're coming back with a resident expert. There are some
35:43
Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines this week, even though it was the finale
35:46
Speaker 1: of Michelle's season. We're going to talk to Ashley Kennetie
35:49
Speaker 1: about these headlines coming up after the break. Okay, headlines
36:03
Speaker 1: this week in Bachelor Nation. This is a wild one.
36:06
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown's brother. I had no clue this is even
36:09
Speaker 1: happening or going on. Patrick is engaged to Jed Wyatt's ex,
36:13
Speaker 1: Haley Stevens. Dude, he my best friend. Disaccording to US
36:18
Speaker 1: Weekly at this is the weirdest thing ever. Okay, Hayley Stevens,
36:23
Speaker 1: if you guys don't remember, is the girl that Jed
36:27
Speaker 1: was apparently with up until the moment that like he
36:31
Speaker 1: landed in l A to be on the Bachelorette, And
36:35
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mix, Hannah's brother met Haley and now
36:41
Speaker 1: they're engaged. I don't remember when they started dating, but
36:46
Speaker 1: never what I have thought that they would have gotten engaged.
36:49
Speaker 1: And now Hannah is going to spend the rest of
36:51
Speaker 1: her life being related to the girl that like was
36:55
Speaker 1: dating her fiance. This is a whole bunch of craziness. Um.
37:01
Speaker 1: Hannah did share her approval though. Last month. She said,
37:05
Speaker 1: I love my brother and I'm just so thankful for
37:08
Speaker 1: all the changes that he's made in his life. Because
37:11
Speaker 1: of that just really impacted the way our family dynamic
37:15
Speaker 1: as both of us have kind of gone on our
37:18
Speaker 1: own journey of healing. He had an overdose last year.
37:22
Speaker 1: Um about his love life, I don't choose who my
37:25
Speaker 1: brother loves and who he wants to be with, but
37:28
Speaker 1: I love him and I want him to be happy.
37:32
Speaker 1: So it still sounds like she doesn't like this. I mean,
37:37
Speaker 1: it's gotta be weird for right, But I'm sure she's met,
37:41
Speaker 1: you know, Haley most of the times. Now, I'm sure.
37:43
Speaker 1: I'm sure they have had their time. And I actually
37:46
Speaker 1: feel like not that any of this is a one up,
37:49
Speaker 1: but you know, for for Hannah and Haley and and Patrick,
37:55
Speaker 1: you know, the one that kind of gets the shaft
37:57
Speaker 1: to get his jed. Which is fine because you know,
38:01
Speaker 1: Haley and and Patrick gard love and you can't really do.
38:03
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's more weird for Jed probably
38:06
Speaker 1: where he's like I just like I got hated on,
38:09
Speaker 1: kicked out, booted up, and then she ends up married
38:13
Speaker 1: the brother of the girl that like I didn't get with.
38:16
Speaker 1: I don't know it just this is like a wild storyline.
38:20
Speaker 1: That is, it's a weird, weird storyline. All right, what's
38:22
Speaker 1: the next headline? Batchel Nations, Astrid and Kevin's newborn hospitalized
38:29
Speaker 1: after testing positive for COVID. This according to E I
38:31
Speaker 1: saw this. Oh no, I did not know this. Okay um.
38:38
Speaker 1: Kevin captioned a series of photos on Instagram saying, tough
38:41
Speaker 1: week for the Went Gang. This is an appreciation post
38:44
Speaker 1: for the best mother and teammate there is. Our family
38:46
Speaker 1: has COVID and it's not taking it easy on any
38:49
Speaker 1: of us. Astrid has a terrible flu, followed by Aggie
38:53
Speaker 1: getting a fever which he's also tested um for COVID
38:58
Speaker 1: as well as was admitted to the hospital and seeing
39:02
Speaker 1: him sick and in pain at just four weeks old
39:04
Speaker 1: breaks our hearts. He got very sick yesterday and today
39:08
Speaker 1: is the worst yet. So I couldn't go to the
39:10
Speaker 1: hospital and not even bring astro dinner because of the
39:13
Speaker 1: new variant and unknown um and the unknown around the transmission.
39:18
Speaker 1: I've been staying clear of my little man until my
39:20
Speaker 1: symptoms are gone. We aren't isolation until after Christmas. Uh.
39:25
Speaker 1: He also said the asterroids being such a champ um
39:28
Speaker 1: she is. She snapped into mama bear mode and and
39:31
Speaker 1: never skipped a beat. That is so sad. Yeah, it's uh.
39:38
Speaker 1: It is. It's it's a hard story to read. I
39:41
Speaker 1: wish the best for that family because this cannot be easy.
39:44
Speaker 1: But no doubt Astro that did jump into mom and
39:47
Speaker 1: bear mode is incredible. Mother. Well, the next headline is
39:50
Speaker 1: this transitioning to Tasha Adams calls out Colton Underwood says
39:56
Speaker 1: he lied about sleeping in sweatpants during Fantasy Sweet Date.
39:59
Speaker 1: That's to us Weekly, Oh, this was interesting, especially after
40:04
Speaker 1: you and Nick last week said that both of you,
40:07
Speaker 1: in addition to other Bachelor Nation members did reach out
40:11
Speaker 1: to Colton after he came out on Good Morning America.
40:17
Speaker 1: When he denied that anyone did, he said that Chris
40:19
Speaker 1: Harrison was the only person in the Bachelor family who did.
40:22
Speaker 1: And now Tasia comes out and says he was not
40:25
Speaker 1: wearing sets in bed with me as he claims during
40:30
Speaker 1: his in his Netflix show. She says he She says
40:36
Speaker 1: that he was way too hot for that and he
40:40
Speaker 1: I don't even think had he didn't have a shirt on.
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Speaker 1: She also hates the fact that she made it seem
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Speaker 1: like he was like pitying her. So these are the
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Speaker 1: exact quotes. Says, I don't know if this was in
40:55
Speaker 1: his book, which I haven't read or his show, which
40:57
Speaker 1: I haven't seen, but obviously everyone in Bachelnation talks. He
41:00
Speaker 1: had said, you know, he went in to the you
41:04
Speaker 1: know Becca Cooper and is on the podcast and which
41:06
Speaker 1: she just says these things, and she goes, well, he
41:08
Speaker 1: said that you guys went into the fantasy suite and
41:13
Speaker 1: that he's kept his sweatpants and a sweatshirt on, and
41:15
Speaker 1: then you guys talked and that was it, and then
41:17
Speaker 1: he felt bad. And then Tassia goes. Taia calls that
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Speaker 1: extremely rude. She said, he felt It's like he felt
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Speaker 1: bad for me. It's like, don't make me seem like
41:28
Speaker 1: this like a pity case. He felt bad for me. Anyway,
41:32
Speaker 1: if I'm not the only person you should be feeling
41:35
Speaker 1: bad for, there were other women that were trying to
41:37
Speaker 1: fall in love with you, and they're really putting their
41:40
Speaker 1: house their hearts there on the line. So if you
41:43
Speaker 1: feel bad for sleeping, if you if you feel bad
41:45
Speaker 1: in that regard, then sure, um. But no, to answer
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Speaker 1: the blatant question here, he did not actually sleep in
41:53
Speaker 1: sweatpants and a sweatshirt that night. Yeah, well, uh we did.
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Speaker 1: I ended watch the clip that I don't think Colton's
42:02
Speaker 1: responded to any of it. But that's that's that's fine. Well,
42:06
Speaker 1: the next headline is this. Greg Grippa recalls quitting The
42:10
Speaker 1: Bachelor a calling producers left and right to get Katie
42:14
Speaker 1: Thurston update Disaccording to US Weekly, he does say that
42:18
Speaker 1: the feelings that they that they did have for each
42:21
Speaker 1: other were real, but he actually truly believes that she
42:25
Speaker 1: had stronger feelings for Blake when he quit. And he
42:31
Speaker 1: said after he left, he was calling producers d m
42:35
Speaker 1: NG Caitlin Burstow. He said nobody was answering, but he
42:40
Speaker 1: was truly wanting to know is she with him? Did
42:43
Speaker 1: they end up together? Is she coming back to New Jersey? Like?
42:47
Speaker 1: I think that maybe a little bit in his head
42:49
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, is she gonna follow after me? Um?
42:52
Speaker 1: He said yeah, Colin producers left and right. I was
42:55
Speaker 1: telling my family, I think there's a better chance than
43:00
Speaker 1: not that we get back together. I thought that she
43:04
Speaker 1: was going to go after him, um in New Jersey too.
43:07
Speaker 1: I definitely thought she was going to halt the season
43:09
Speaker 1: and just be like, all right, well, if if I
43:12
Speaker 1: can't get him back, then the other the other two,
43:15
Speaker 1: like the feelings aren't aren't on par with so then
43:20
Speaker 1: I'll have to leave alone. But we all know how
43:24
Speaker 1: this story ended. It was with Blake and then it
43:27
Speaker 1: was with John. And actually, speaking of John, Katie said
43:32
Speaker 1: this week um that she did not give Blake a
43:36
Speaker 1: heads up about her relationship with John. When asked about
43:41
Speaker 1: why she didn't give Blake a heads up, she said,
43:44
Speaker 1: people are always like, well, you should have told Blake.
43:47
Speaker 1: We talked about giving Blake a heads up. But here's
43:49
Speaker 1: the thing that people forget. We're just normal people trying
43:53
Speaker 1: to live normal lives. And when have you ever had
43:56
Speaker 1: to tell an X that you're seeing someone new? I
44:00
Speaker 1: feel that. I feel that, Um, But in Bachelor world
44:03
Speaker 1: is a little bit different, just because, like all the
44:05
Speaker 1: relationships are so public. Yeah, fair enough. Well, actually that's
44:10
Speaker 1: all the headlines we got for today. It's another season
44:13
Speaker 1: in the books. Michelle Young season is over. We want
44:17
Speaker 1: to was her in the absolute best? Uh? Into all
44:20
Speaker 1: the contestants that were on this season. Uh, what a
44:23
Speaker 1: great season, what a great uh thing we got to watch.
44:27
Speaker 1: Now we head into Clayton's season of The Bachelor. We
44:30
Speaker 1: did see him, uh come to the the after the
44:35
Speaker 1: final rose. He read through some mean tweets, which felt
44:38
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable for me to watch. But I am going
44:43
Speaker 1: to be excited to see him as the Bachelor because
44:46
Speaker 1: there is a lot of speculation around it and if
44:49
Speaker 1: you remember right, a lot of the leads that we've
44:52
Speaker 1: gone on to u leading into their season with the
44:55
Speaker 1: most like confusion about I would say Hannah Brown was
44:58
Speaker 1: one of those. I think we were all like, what
44:59
Speaker 1: in the where did this come from? Except for me? Yeah, Well,
45:05
Speaker 1: I was gonna help finding some of the most daring,
45:08
Speaker 1: some of the most positively rated. So we'll we'll be
45:13
Speaker 1: excited for this next season of The Bachelor with Clayton. Yes,
45:16
Speaker 1: that'll be. It'll the previews give me hope. I'll say that.
45:20
Speaker 1: There we go. Well, that's all we got through today
45:23
Speaker 1: with the Almost Famous podcast. We'll be back very soon.
45:26
Speaker 1: Next week you can break down the girls. That's right. Oh,
45:31
Speaker 1: let's do it. One of my favorite episodes every year
45:34
Speaker 1: is when we just get to talk about these people
45:36
Speaker 1: without ever knowing him. Uh and uh so we'll do
45:39
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