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#141 - Martha Burich - Parenting Expert · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Hello friends on Twitch and YouTube welcome Little Rock and
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  Roll on a Friday morning or whatever this goes live.
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  Everybody. It's.
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  Live right now, man. It's live right now on the
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  Twitch and YouTube. I think I let it go too long.
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  A little bit, a little longer. There you go.
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  I went a little longer than normal.
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  I'm sorry. Hey, this is Chris, this is
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  Mike. This is the Chris and Mike show
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  live on Twitch and YouTube. And we have a very special guest
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  today, Martha Burke. So I say it.
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  Birch, Birch, Birch, White Birch, Yeah, 'cause I see the
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  eye. So Birch, Welcome, Martha,
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  welcome. John Mellencamp has a song
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  called Martha Say, Did you know that?
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  That's a great song. Yeah, I just heard it about 3
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  days ago. Yeah, yeah, it's a good song.
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  It has absolutely nothing nothing to do with our Martha
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  that's visiting. Us, I know, Martha my.
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  Dear, you know it's a good song for sure, so give us a little,
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  OK? Oh yeah, that's one too.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's from his.
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  It's from his. I think it's his.
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  It's his Big Daddy album. Yeah, it's from his Big Daddy
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  album. Yep.
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  So we won't go there because YouTube will shut us down.
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  So they'll block it because, you know, we can't do.
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  That oh boy, that's. Really good you are and why
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  you're here, aside from, you know, the fact that Mike and I
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  are Mike, all right? Just let me tell you all right?
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  Mom loved my brother better. That's why I'm here, because I
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  had to prove myself all my life. And I.
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  I wrote this book. I wrote this book.
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  Look, mom, I finally did something better than my
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  brother. OK, so I always tell you that I.
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  I tell you that because. Really that that is kind of, you
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  know, my brother was a genius. He he and he still is.
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  He still is. He's seven years older than me.
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  There's a picture of there's a very early picture.
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  My daddy's fixing his car. My brother is 2 years old.
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  I'm not even in the picture in the world yet and my little 2
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  year old brother has tool in his hand handing it to my father to
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  help him with the car. So, you know, those two were
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  like this from the time the kid was born and my brother became a
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  mechanical engineer. He took a car apart and put it
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  back together before he was 16, built ATV when he was 10.
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  I mean the kid legitimately, he was a genius.
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  He had his own business. And so my mother, you know, all
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  my life, while your brother's so smart, your brother's a genius,
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  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What am I chop liver?
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  So, and I do want to warn you, you probably already know this.
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  If you have more than one child, you'll hear that.
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  You know what? Let's just face it.
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  Till the day you die, let's face it.
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  Well, the way I approached my because I have one of each a boy
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  and a girl. So when they would ever, you
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  know, be like, oh, I'm your favorite.
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  Well, yeah, you're my favorite daughter, you know, or yeah,
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  you're my favorite son, you know, but, but I, I never, I
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  never said which one was their actual favorite because
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  honestly, they were, you know, they were my favorites in
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  different ways because they just personality wise completely
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  opposite. Like you couldn't have had two
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  personal, two kids that were just completely different from
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  one another. So, and I wasn't, I'm not
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  mechanically inclined. I can't build a car or ATV.
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  So you know, my wife did all that.
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  Like, like we moved in our house, like we got it.
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  We have a lot of we live on an acre and I needed something
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  other than a push mower. So I found this Cub Cadet zero
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  turn radius lawn mower thing and, and my wife put it together
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  because I don't have the patience, right?
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  I don't have the patience that shit.
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  We just got bikes. We're we're teaching the little
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  man how to ride a bike. So I went online and I found
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  this, this thing called bike Savers where you put these kind
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  of like climbing or, you know, when you're doing rock climbing,
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  it's kind of like these brackets look like that.
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  And I looked there last night. I said, I know what you're doing
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  tomorrow. And she's like, what?
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  It's like we're going to put up the bike Savers after the show.
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  She's like we I'm well. OK, I'll hold the drill while
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  you make the. Holes, which is fine.
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  Yeah, man, it's just you. Which is I just, I never had
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  patience for and that went back to my drinking days that I just
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  didn't have when I had to put something together to have
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  patience for it. So then she would take over and
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  that just kind of carried through the rest of my life.
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  So we have. Your point?
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  Your point? I'm not mechanically inclined
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  either, and I had a brother as well, Martha, who was the same
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  way. He can do anything.
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  The thing that we had where we parted ways is my parents all
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  treated us the same. They were very good about
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  expressing their love for our own unique skill set, right?
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  So I'll commend him for that. But my brother is just like your
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  brother. He can do anything.
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  Sure. It doesn't matter what it is, he
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  drives me nuts. Yeah, see, my mom was my mom was
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  equal. My my mom was equal.
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  Equal. Why?
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  Why, why do I phrase it? She equally destroyed us both.
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  So it wasn't just, you know, her being a bad mother to me, it was
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  it was equally. It was equal.
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  Like, you know, she beat us both.
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  She owned this both she you know, you know, he was just mom,
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  it's OK. And I I saw it is what it is.
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  I'm not one of those. Oh, look at me.
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  It's that's how I grew up. That's part of who I am today.
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  If I wasn't beaten and, you know, abused and kicked out of
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  house, I wouldn't be sitting here today the person I am
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  because that's just part of who I am.
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  So I'm not that. Oh, oh, woe was me point.
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  The and it's still but. It's stuff, that is what it is.
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  Comes up for you. It's still stuff that comes up
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  for you because, you know, Jack Canfield, the guy, Chicken Soup
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  for the Soul and, and all that success principles.
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  He's like 81 now. He went to a workshop like 3
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  years ago and he discovered something about when he was a
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  kid that had actually been affecting him all his life that,
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  that he had forgotten about but was working, operating in the
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  background. You know, I, I have a friend
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  whose father these are some really, this is a horrible
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  story. But her dad, when she was young,
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  he was a terrible alcoholic. And he would come home drunk and
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  he would tell her she lived upstairs.
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  Her room was upstairs. She's like 7.
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  And he said, you know, come down here.
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  And she said, no, if I do, you'll, you'll stick the dogs on
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  me. He had Rottweilers.
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  And he said, if you don't come down here, I'm gonna send the
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  dogs up. This is what she lived with all
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  her life. She became a very heavy duty
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  drug addict and alcoholic. She forgave her father.
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  I must start crying. I don't know how she did it.
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  I said, how did you forgive your father?
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  But in his older years, he needed help.
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  He, you know, became older and infirm.
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  She cared for him. I said, my God, how could you
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  forgive him for that? But she did.
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  So you know what? Anything's possible.
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  See. See, the thing, the thing about
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  that, that I've, I've noticed, like we, there's this, there's
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  this family we followed for years.
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  There's two families we followed for years in Chicago, the
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  Milkovic's and the Gallagher's. And, and one of the Gallagher's
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  accidentally shot a gun in the air and it came down and hit
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  Terry Milkovic in the back of the head and like paralyzed him.
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  But he was still, you know, head up.
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  He was fine. And he was a terrible father to
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  make you just, you know, beat him senseless.
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  Just, you know, they had games like Catch the Dagger where you
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  had to catch the dagger his dad was throwing at him.
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  And so once he became paralyzed, Mickey had all this hate, you
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  know, inside him about towards his father, rightfully so.
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  But he ends up taking care of him until, you know, he dies.
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  And ironically enough, they had hired several nurses to take
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  care of him, but they couldn't, they couldn't stand Terry
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  because he was a racist asshole. So they had this retired nun
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  take care of him. And they came home from work and
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  and the nun was on the front porch with a rosary and he's
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  like, well, he's gone and, and make his like, what you talking
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  about? She's gone.
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  He's like, well, I killed him, you know?
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  And they went inside and sure enough, they had a bag tied
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  around Terry's face and he's suffocated.
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  She killed him, you know. That's two weeks in a row.
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  It's two weeks in a row. It's crazy, right, Mike?
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  You got it. It's it's but, but what I'm
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  getting at, Martha, that's a show called Shameless.
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  What I'm getting at that happens a lot in life where the kids are
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  traumatized. Now, in Mike's situation, it
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  won't happen because when my mother dies, I'm going to, you
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  know, be happy, for lack of better term, but I won't take
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  care of her. And but it does happen a lot in
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  life where I've I've seen, and you've seen it like you had your
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  friend. I'm sure Mike's seen it, that
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  you have this total chaotic upbringing and then for some
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  stupid reason, you as the child, feel obligated to take care of
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  this person who was the root of all your evil.
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  I don't get that at all. It's it's kind of like that one,
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  that nurse syndrome, right? I forget what the the phrase is
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  what you know, I'm talking about the the nurse thing like, oh
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  hell, I don't I can't get it off the top of my head.
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  But when you fall in love with a nurse, right?
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  What's that called? You remember what I'm talking
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  about anybody, anybody, anybody, yes, I don't get that.
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  You have any insight on that, Martha?
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  Why that would be? Is it just the trauma of the
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  child and he wants to like get he needs to get that that that
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  not the gratification. What is it?
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  I'm I'm I'm dropping. Words.
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  Well, it's a Christian principle.
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  Forgiveness is a Christian Prince.
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  Our parents are the first people in our lives and when they don't
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  treat us right and went wrong. But you know, you know how you
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  know the saying, you know the saying hurt people hurt people.
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  And you know what? Let's totally go to a new topic.
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  Oh, before we do, before we do the first quote in my book.
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  I, I can't believe we're talking about this.
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  If I were to search for this, we're of difficulties in people
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  as I've come to know them, it is that in a great majority of
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  cases, they despise themselves regarding themselves as
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  worthless and unlovable. That's from Doctor Carl Rogers.
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  That's on the couple first pages of yes, you can raise happy,
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  responsible children. And you know, this is This is
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  why the whole book was written, because we constantly see
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  ourselves as unlovable and nobody's going to love us.
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  And I'm not good enough. You know, I played that game a
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  long time, my brothers. And sometimes I, I still, I
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  sure, I still make jokes. I make a lot of jokes about it.
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  But you, you know, This is why a lot of people, you know, I, I
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  tell, I have to tell a lot of addicts in recovery.
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  Stop kicking your own butt. Stop.
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  Why do you keep your own butt? But they do that because of
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  this, because in the great majority of cases, they despise
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  themselves and see themselves worthless and unlovable.
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  And this is really what we're doing when we're raising
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  children here. We are feeling worthless and
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  unlovable and not good enough. And then we're trying to raise
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  our children to feel good about themselves.
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  So then what do we do? What do we do is we try to make
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  them happy. But you know the key to that
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  happiness, searching for happiness isn't what we need in
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  our lives. What we need is to search for
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  usefulness and to help others. Then the happiness comes from
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  that. But we've got it all backwards.
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  You know, another reason I wrote this book is when my our son was
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  40. Lord, that child was spoiled.
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  Why? Because we thought we were
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  trying to raise. OK.
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  And we thought the way to happiness was you never say, oh,
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  oh, were we wrong? Oh my goodness.
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  Everything I learned I Yeah, right.
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  Right. So yeah, that's yes.
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  That's awesome. Yes, you can raise happy,
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  responsible children. Available at Amazon and endorsed
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  by the Dean of Self Esteem himself, Jack Canfield.
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  This whole back cover is Jack's endorsement.
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  This book has the potential to transform the lives of families
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  worldwide. And you know what?
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  I know that's true because it transformed the life of my
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  family. And I used all the information
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  from this book to when I was teaching child psychology.
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  I was a child psychology professor for 10 years.
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  And then I was a high school special education teacher for
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  16. And I had students, you know, I
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  had some students who would say, I'm going to kill you.
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  Oh, that's oh, oh, now, Hon, so you know that.
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  Yeah, yeah, in. This book, yeah, is what I used
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  to hand place. Yeah, you don't want to kill me.
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  That's just your anger talking. No, no, I mean in some of it,
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  though, you have to take it from a from a school standpoint, you
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  have to take that serious because, you know, luckily my
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  wife's a teacher. She's only been in reference to
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  1 kill list in her entire career, which was good, you
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  know, because other other teachers, I'm sure on, you know,
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  that's just the youth today, but that's that's interesting.
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  So you, you when we first be, when we came before we came on
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  the air, we kind of started talking and then with such a
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  good conversation, I was like gold moments.
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  We got to get started. I want to go back to the
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  conversation of I want to talk about your your I want to talk
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  about your life resume because you referenced being, I don't
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  remember if you said in jail or prison, but I want to talk about
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  how you, how you ended up there to where you are now.
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  And I don't want you giving up a lot about your book because we
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  want people to go buy your book so you can dangle little carrots
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  like you're doing, which is great.
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  But don't go deep in don't go diving deep into your book
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  because we want, we want to boost your sales by you being on
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  the show, because we're all about helping people who grace
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  us with their presence to help them, you know, accomplish what
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  they want to accomplish. And for you, I'm assuming we
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  want people to come out there and start, you know, grab your
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  book and things like that. So let's talk about Martha, your
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  kind of your life resume and how how you went from that scenario
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  behind, you know, locked behind closed doors to where you are
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  now empowering parents, you know, to to raise happy and
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  responsible children in a day and age where that.
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  Doesn't I'm going to court to support a father Tuesday I'm
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  going to court to support a father.
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  So go ahead. Who got in a tussle with his
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  teenage son and you know, the man's a good dad, but they got
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  in a disagreement about social media that the phone use,
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  etcetera, etcetera. So I think dad pushed the child
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  and pushed him in the car. It got scratched somewhere, a
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  cup. Police were called.
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  Now Dad's going to court as a child abuser.
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  So anyway, yeah, I was never in jail myself, but because I
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  taught high school for 16 years, I thought who better to take a a
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  into the jail than me? You know, I ain't afraid in so
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  so I went to the jail for four years.
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  I took a weekly a a meeting and it was a very, very, very
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  interesting experience. I had one, I, I got to tell you,
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  this one gal in there, she was about 5 months pregnant I think
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  when I got there and she was a meth addict.
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  But when she found out she was pregnant, she stopped taking
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  meth and then she and her mother-in-law were both in jail
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  at the same time. That's good.
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  I don't quite understand what's going on there.
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  That's a whole other story. So.
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  We're sitting around at our a, a meeting and we're we're we're
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  talking about when the baby, when the baby gets here because
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  she was going to get out of jail by then.
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  And you never just tell her, oh, man, when that baby gets here,
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  you're not gonna get any sleep, blah, blah.
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  And she said just as innocently and plainly as anything, like,
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  you know, I'm going to have a ham sandwich tomorrow.
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  She said, yeah, I'm going to have to go back on meth.
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  Everybody's like, what? So God, I mean, that's, that's
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  addicts and Alcoholics for you. We, we, we don't think, we don't
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  think straight. But anyway, so luckily she had a
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  few months to, you know, stay straight and to and to have
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  people talk to her and say, no, you're not going to do that,
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  Hun. That's not going to help.
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  Well anyway, so she gets before she got out of jail, her mother
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  died when she then a month later.
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  So then when she got out of jail, she had to bury her
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  mother. Then a month later her father
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  died and she still did not go back to drugs or alcohol.
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  She had a baby. I think the baby's like.
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  I don't. Know 1 or 1 1/2 now and that she
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  just had another baby. They're doing fine.
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  She and the dad got married he's doing good.
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  So there's a success story. You know people think that meth
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  and especially for her to say that at that meeting that time
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  and think, Oh dear. But she, you know posts all the
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  time and she has an absolutely beautiful family and she's just
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  getting better and better and better.
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  It's anything is possible. People have to realize you know
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  what addiction is not a death sentence if you don't let it be
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  and and if if you do the things you need to be you know I go to
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  a a rarely have we've seen a person fail who has thoroughly
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  followed our path. And if you follow that path
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  life, you know the promises say you will live a different life
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  and I have to say I live a life of my dreams.
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  Why because I chose to put down the bottle.
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  But for me I was basically a binge drinker and drank on the
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  weekends. So I never got a DUII never got
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  any of that and but I was still an alcoholic because I I I could
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  never drink just one. I could never drink just one,
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  that just wasn't possible. But anyways.
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  The. One thing that you just said
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  though, Martha, the one thing that you just said is you chose
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  to put it down, right. So the where we're going to
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  we're where we're going to part ways is I agree with any program
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  is great as far as the person made that choice themselves to
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  be there, you have to make the choice.
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  That's the first thing right? And the most it.
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  Works for me. There's tons.
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  Tons. Yeah, there's tons, just.
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  Going to waste that meeting. But like you said, you got to
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  make that decision. There's just too many people
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  that are forced. Yeah, the police make a.
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  Lot and that's never. Going to work when they get
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  caught. But you know Chris, you got to
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  make 2 decisions. The first decision is that I'm
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  sick and tired of this. I want to change.
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  Here's a second decision. You're bored.
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  You're sitting at home. You got nothing to do.
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  What's the first thing you think of drinking?
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  You're at the gas station getting gas.
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  You look in the window. There's your favorite bottle of
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  booze. Your drug addict, your drug
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  dealer comes around, says, hey, I got some because you know,
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  he's a good businessman. He knows he's got money and and
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  he wants your money again. Then you got to make the second.
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  Decision. Again and again and again.
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  Well, that's something that him and I say all the time is I
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  agree with you. That's what I'll agree with you
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  100% there because Chris and I have preached that a lot.
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  His choice was exercise, running.
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  That's what he fills his time with.
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  I chose to dive back into music again, right?
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  So when I'm feeling that way, I pick up my guitar or I listen to
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  music or whatever, I go for a driver.
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  You know, I make that conscious choice to not do that too.
• 19:04
  So I'll agree with you 100% on both those things.
• 19:07
  But it is very important for people to understand that that
• 19:09
  person has to make the choice. Just sending little Johnny to a
• 19:13
  A because you choose for him to stop drinking is not.
• 19:17
  Going to make little Johnny. Yeah.
• 19:21
  And if you've watched, if you've watched any of our stuff, if, if
• 19:24
  you've watched any of our stuff, I'm a big component.
• 19:25
  Like I went to a A, but my approach to it was that that God
• 19:30
  didn't make me drink. So God's not going to make me
• 19:32
  stop. I'm the one to put the beer in
• 19:34
  my hand. I'm the one that's got to take
• 19:35
  to keep the beer out of my hand. So there's a little you know,
• 19:40
  didn't kind of jive with all the principles of a because I, you
• 19:42
  know, everybody's all about higher power and by the gracious
• 19:45
  of God, I stopped. I'm sober for X money.
• 19:46
  Would you say that the tenants of the program were like just
• 19:50
  the accountability worked for you?
• 19:52
  Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I got it.
• 19:54
  I got it. My thing was a chip.
• 19:55
  You know, when I realized you got a chip for 24 hours and in
• 19:57
  30 days, 6090 days, that was my proof to my wife.
• 20:01
  Like, hey, look, here's my, here's my 24 hour chip.
• 20:03
  And then when I, when I was going to get my 30 day chip,
• 20:06
  once I got my 30 day chip, I gave her my 24 hour chip.
• 20:09
  I'm like here. And she's like, what is this?
• 20:11
  I'm like, that's every time I get a chip, I'm going to give it
• 20:13
  to you because that way, you know, I'm continuing down the
• 20:15
  path of, of being sober, which she knew.
• 20:18
  But you can attach to it. So can Mike, so can all the
• 20:21
  other addicts out there. The the sober version of you is
• 20:24
  different than the addicted version of you.
• 20:26
  Whatever that looks like, I I couldn't be, I couldn't be
• 20:29
  listened to. I couldn't be reasoned with.
• 20:31
  I'm sorry, I wouldn't listen. I couldn't be reasoned with.
• 20:33
  We have that in common. For right, it was it and I
• 20:36
  wasn't, I wasn't a binge. I was functional.
• 20:38
  I started out as a binge drinker and that led to being
• 20:41
  functional. And then the, the more loopy I
• 20:45
  got, then the more stupid I became.
• 20:46
  But I wasn't, I wasn't violent. I wasn't, you know, aggressive
• 20:52
  any way, shape or form. I wasn't verbally assaultive
• 20:54
  like I grew up with in my household.
• 20:57
  I was just not there emotionally.
• 20:58
  I tell the story all the time that there's a Christmas where I
• 21:02
  wrapped up. I got her a pair of diamond
• 21:03
  earrings, which was a big deal at the time because, you know,
• 21:05
  neither one of us came from anything really that we could
• 21:08
  afford to do things like that. And so and I wrapped it up and
• 21:11
  she was in the great room and I walked turn the corner and I
• 21:13
  tossed him and I'm like Merry Christmas and walked away.
• 21:16
  And, you know, I remember the look on her face.
• 21:17
  She was like kind of like what, but it was me compensating and
• 21:23
  trying to to mask what I knew subconsciously I was doing by
• 21:27
  not being there fist not being there emotionally and kind of
• 21:30
  just, you know, just being there as a vessel of a human and
• 21:33
  nothing else. So it's interesting that we all
• 21:36
  have different avenues of sobriety and our addiction, but
• 21:39
  the the addicted person is completely different, the silver
• 21:42
  person and people that don't live with that and don't
• 21:44
  interact with that, which I think is why probably Al Anon
• 21:47
  came to play. It makes you understand the
• 21:50
  dynamic of the addict a little bit more so than just randomly
• 21:54
  like, oh, he's an addict, he's an asshole, blah, blah, blah.
• 21:56
  You know, So that's a good point though, for sure.
• 21:59
  I went on that tangent. That other path is an important
• 22:02
  point too, because I'm sure Martha would agree.
• 22:04
  Sitting in that jail with all these different kinds of
• 22:07
  addicts, a meth addict is not the same as an.
• 22:09
  Alcoholic, no. Right.
• 22:12
  I, I was a meth addict all the way down to the point of
• 22:15
  psychosis, right? So I followed it all the way
• 22:17
  down to just right before death. That's, and an alcoholic goes
• 22:23
  down that same path. I watched it with a good friend
• 22:26
  of mine. You can drink yourself to the
• 22:28
  point where you have to drink to survive.
• 22:31
  And then you watch them lose all their color, right?
• 22:35
  It's a, it's a horribly sad thing to watch.
• 22:37
  It is, but both paths lead you to the same place to the grave
• 22:42
  event, yeah. Yep.
• 22:45
  So how did you start now? Did you get the?
• 22:46
  Deal meeting one day mark I was about oh was I OK two or three
• 22:51
  years sober I don't know I'm sitting in a meeting and I'm
• 22:53
  like man I'm bored and you know I live with my brother he's got
• 22:57
  3737 years of sobriety yesterday, but anyway I moved in
• 23:01
  with him when I got I was about four months sober.
• 23:04
  I moved in with him but. Anyway, oh, nice job.
• 23:06
  So I'm at this meeting and I'm like, man, I'm bored.
• 23:09
  So with my big mouth, when it came my turn to talk and I said,
• 23:11
  you know, I'm getting kind of bored at these meetings.
• 23:14
  I don't know why I'm going to have to go to different
• 23:15
  meetings. I don't know what I'm going to
• 23:16
  do. Well, it just so happened the
• 23:19
  guy on the corrections committee was sitting across the table.
• 23:22
  He comes up to me afterwards, he goes, I'm on the corrections
• 23:24
  committee. I'm going to e-mail you the the
• 23:27
  application to go to jail instant, right instant.
• 23:32
  So that's what I did. I filled out the application.
• 23:35
  You got to do your fingerprints and all that because I had never
• 23:37
  been in jail or any trouble or anything.
• 23:39
  It was easy breezy, right? So I go into jail, all right,
• 23:43
  going to the jail for the first meeting and who's there?
• 23:46
  But somebody I know from a a gal who had got got her butt in a
• 23:50
  sling and not, but then she didn't think she caused a big
• 23:53
  accident, but she didn't think she was an alcoholic.
• 23:55
  So she went back out and what happened with her was she got
• 23:58
  drunk one night and her husband had a fight.
• 24:01
  She put the kids in the car and drove off.
• 24:03
  Her husband called the police. That put her in jail.
• 24:07
  And that's why. And then and later on, let's
• 24:09
  look at this story. OK, Now she told me months and
• 24:14
  we were at a a a function and she became like she worked a lot
• 24:17
  for a a, did a lot of stuff for a A.
• 24:20
  She said, you know, I never told you what happened, how you got
• 24:23
  to that jail. I said, what are you talking
• 24:25
  about? She said.
• 24:27
  I prayed. I prayed that I could contact
• 24:30
  you because I knew you were dependable.
• 24:32
  And. And she said.
• 24:33
  And then one day you come walking into the jail.
• 24:36
  I was like, whoa. That was really.
• 24:39
  That was great and he's doing really well too.
• 24:42
  That's cool. Now that was yours.
• 24:43
  She's over years now and she got her children back everything and
• 24:47
  you know, she's remarried. You know, just get you get
• 24:49
  success story after six three. But anyway, so I go into the
• 24:52
  jail and there was this one gal I got to tell you about this one
• 24:54
  gal. She was a she was a hard, hard
• 24:57
  young girl, 2526. But she did not want to quit
• 25:01
  drinking. So one day I go in there for me.
• 25:03
  I said, hey, where's so? And so they said she's she's in
• 25:06
  isolation. I said, what happened?
• 25:07
  She was making booze. She.
• 25:10
  Just. But you know, that's the thing.
• 25:12
  When you're she would take the apples or whatever it was and
• 25:17
  ferment them and, and do what she had to do to, to get her
• 25:22
  fix. And that was really, really,
• 25:25
  really sad, you know, but that that is what happens to us.
• 25:28
  We are so addicted. We think without it.
• 25:31
  My, my brother telling me a story, his sponsor, my brother
• 25:34
  said, you know, I'm so alone. He was early on in sobriety and,
• 25:38
  and his sponsor said, well, you just lost your best friend.
• 25:41
  You know, anytime you were sad, happy, whatever, there was your
• 25:44
  bottle. It never said no to you.
• 25:47
  This is the of course you're depressed.
• 25:49
  Of course, you just got to stick it out and, and, and you know,
• 25:53
  help get other people. But you know, and The thing is
• 25:57
  about having children and being an addict too, that you really
• 26:00
  walk in a fine line because you're not giving your children
• 26:02
  all of yourself. They know that at a certain
• 26:05
  point, they know that. And then again, you know, so
• 26:08
  many times as parents, you know, do as I do, as I say, not as I
• 26:12
  do. Don't smoke.
• 26:16
  Same not as I do. Yep, don't you know?
• 26:18
  Don't watch how much TV? Yeah.
• 26:22
  That's the that's. That's that's the household.
• 26:25
  I grew up and do as they say, not as I do bullshit.
• 26:28
  So you know and. I was fortunate to.
• 26:31
  Have grown up in the opposite where you know we are told why
• 26:35
  you shouldn't do that you know my.
• 26:37
  Mother, not mine, was such a she was just a wonderful human being
• 26:41
  and in a loving, loving woman. And she always would say to me,
• 26:45
  you know, if it is to be, it's up to me.
• 26:47
  And they made my my grandpa made her quit high high school and
• 26:50
  8th grade to go to work to make money so my uncles could go to
• 26:54
  college. I mean, there's really when you.
• 26:57
  Hear this whole story, you would think there's a woman who would
• 26:59
  have resentment. Wow.
• 27:02
  Well, and. That's, I mean, and that's,
• 27:04
  that's a different sign of that's a different era, right,
• 27:06
  That we lived in because my grandmother, my yeah, my
• 27:09
  grandmother, God rest her soul, She, her her husband died when
• 27:14
  my mother was 11. So I don't know the year of
• 27:16
  that. But then she went on to work
• 27:19
  full time. She had to sell the farm because
• 27:22
  they had a dairy farm, built a house, went to night school to
• 27:26
  get her master's degree, ended up being the first female
• 27:28
  teacher hired in Illinois. And then when they realized that
• 27:31
  that she was some weird dynamic of of.
• 27:39
  Would she be somehow? She was, I don't remember the
• 27:41
  rules of of stuff with like teachers, you could be married
• 27:44
  or couldn't be married. One of those weird things, but
• 27:46
  there was a there was a a stigma with that.
• 27:49
  Oh, when she's just a regular teacher, then that's right when
• 27:51
  once once Charles her husband died, that's when she went to
• 27:54
  college to get the master's degree.
• 27:55
  But when, when she got hired, you couldn't be married or
• 28:00
  something that effect. And then they still went on and
• 28:02
  hired her because of who she was.
• 28:04
  But it's one of those things it's, it's the culture and the
• 28:07
  life was different, right, Because you, you, like you said,
• 28:10
  that's like your, your grandmother quit school to go to
• 28:14
  work to help the uncles. You know, the dichotomy of of
• 28:17
  the world and the the nuclear family was legit back then.
• 28:20
  It was a true. It was a true like.
• 28:23
  Everybody has everybody's back type thing.
• 28:25
  Yeah, Chris, that's. Such a good point because, you
• 28:27
  know, 200 years ago we were all on farms pretty much.
• 28:30
  And so if Uncle Bob was an alcoholic and he and his job was
• 28:34
  to feed the chickens in the cows, we were to go, you know,
• 28:37
  Uncle Bob's all over again. Everybody's have to pick up his
• 28:41
  flag. But, you know, the family wasn't
• 28:43
  destroyed and people didn't go hungry because everybody was
• 28:46
  together and they would pick up the slack.
• 28:48
  But then when we moved to the city, then when Uncle Bob or dad
• 28:52
  became an alcoholic, the family starved.
• 28:54
  And that's why those women were so big in the temperance
• 28:56
  movement. And they would go into the bars
• 28:58
  and go, you know, stop taking my husband's money.
• 29:00
  You're taking food out of our mouths.
• 29:06
  Yep. Industrial.
• 29:07
  Evolution. Destroyed America All right, so
• 29:10
  get. Back, let's see, get back to
• 29:12
  parenting and whatever, I got it.
• 29:15
  Two colleges. I was kicked out at two
• 29:17
  colleges. Yes, let's go back to parenting.
• 29:18
  Drinking was my. My my problem and so one day I
• 29:21
  was OK my mother. Wait, so you, so you.
• 29:25
  Got kicked out at wait, let's see that that seems like an
• 29:28
  awesome you're on. You're in college.
• 29:29
  You get kicked out of college for drinking.
• 29:30
  That's what a total idiot. That's one of.
• 29:31
  The prerequisites of. College.
• 29:36
  And anyway and. Plus, you know what, almost
• 29:38
  Western Michigan University and Oh my goodness, I, I worked so
• 29:41
  hard to get into that school. I was the assistant there, one
• 29:44
  of the research assistants to Richard Malat.
• 29:47
  He's big in behavior modification.
• 29:50
  Oh my God, when I got that job, I was like, Oh my goodness,
• 29:52
  Martha, you've arrived. You're so lucky.
• 29:55
  You're so lucky. And I totally screwed that up.
• 29:58
  And anyway, so I'm at home and I'm crying to my mother and what
• 30:02
  am I going to do? I, you know, I, I don't have a
• 30:05
  degree, 1.0, GPA 1.0. And my, my mother was so
• 30:10
  disgusted with me. She said, you know what you're
• 30:12
  going to do. And, but, and I also went to
• 30:14
  Saint Louis. No, no University of Missouri.
• 30:16
  OK, so my mother goes, and I was kicked out of that one too.
• 30:19
  She goes, you're going to March right back to that college and
• 30:21
  you're going to ask them to let you back in.
• 30:24
  Well, I, I did whatever my mother told me to do.
• 30:25
  So I did. I go, can I come back in?
• 30:28
  The guy goes, all right, we'll let you back in.
• 30:30
  You're on probation for six months, and you better
• 30:32
  straighten up. Well, of course I did.
• 30:35
  You know, I knew it was my last chance.
• 30:37
  I made A's and I went on. And what do you know?
• 30:40
  I became a college professor and a high school special Ed
• 30:43
  teacher. So, you know, I realized my
• 30:45
  goals and my dreams. So anything's possible, you
• 30:48
  know, don't stay down. Don't stay down.
• 30:51
  Stop kicking your own butt and stop telling yourself you can't
• 30:53
  do it. If you want to do it, get out
• 30:56
  there and give it your best shot.
• 30:58
  It's what is it? What's that thing?
• 30:59
  It's the man who never throws the ball that misses 100% of the
• 31:02
  shots. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:08
  Yeah. Yep, yeah, I'm a big.
• 31:11
  Believer, I have a phrase. That I've I've told my kids for
• 31:12
  years, that's not how you fall. It's how you get back up.
• 31:15
  Everybody falls. Everybody.
• 31:16
  Fails everybody. Failed multiple.
• 31:20
  Times before they got to that point.
• 31:23
  Even if you not even. If you talk to Elon Musk.
• 31:26
  They fit. They probably failed thousands
• 31:28
  of times in their life, right, right.
• 31:30
  And even if you just need that one time success seat.
• 31:33
  Right. But even if you don't hit that
• 31:34
  level of success, it's too, it doesn't matter.
• 31:36
  Everybody falls down, everybody, everybody.
• 31:39
  It's it's life. It's called building character.
• 31:41
  It's a success. Looks different for everybody.
• 31:44
  You know what, Jeff? Told us about Chicken Soup for
• 31:47
  the soul. It was turned down by 144
• 31:50
  publishers. A 144 publishers said no junk,
• 31:55
  we don't want this. The 145th guy said, well, you
• 31:58
  know, if you, if you can promise me you can sell 20,000 copies in
• 32:01
  advance, I'll publish this book. So that's what they did.
• 32:05
  They went out and you know, and I, I remember going to
• 32:08
  workshops, jets self esteem workshops and there would be a
• 32:11
  form on the, on the chair that said, you know, we wrote this
• 32:13
  book. How many copies do you want?
• 32:17
  And as soon as the book comes out, you'll get your copies.
• 32:19
  And that's what they did. They pre sold 20,000 books.
• 32:23
  Boom. But it was they were they were
• 32:25
  turned down 144 times. Oh, thank goodness.
• 32:32
  I just talked to. A guy at a meeting.
• 32:34
  Yeah. So if he would have gave.
• 32:37
  Up the first time I just got out of jail.
• 32:40
  He said he read. He read Chicken Soup for the
• 32:42
  Prisoner's Soul. He said it kept him sane in
• 32:44
  jail. And and it made him go after,
• 32:47
  like he got to get some kind of a specialization in jail so that
• 32:51
  when he came out now he has his own business.
• 32:53
  I mean, you know, he said that book, those books really saved
• 32:55
  him. So, yeah, imagine, look, look at
• 32:58
  how he's helped, how they've helped people through the years.
• 33:01
  Yeah. In fact, I have a book in the.
• 33:04
  Cookbook I have a story in the chicken soup.
• 33:06
  Soup for the Soul Cookbook 19-O We're going back night all.
• 33:11
  Right, so now, all right. So now I'm going to tell you,
• 33:14
  I'm going to tell you the story about rejection because we're
• 33:17
  talking about, you know what, if you don't get rejected, you're
• 33:20
  not going to, you're not going to go nowhere.
• 33:22
  You're going to go nowhere. The biggest people make is by
• 33:25
  doing nothing anyway. So I go to this mall here in
• 33:29
  Aaron, Michigan, and I just got Nordstrom and all those stores.
• 33:32
  And this was a few years ago. My my husband died in 2008.
• 33:36
  I've been single pretty much since.
• 33:38
  Anyway, so I noticed this handsome man sitting outside and
• 33:42
  they had this area outside the store in the mall where you
• 33:46
  could sit at tables and read paper, do whatever you want.
• 33:48
  Well, I noticed this handsome man, you know, looked to be my
• 33:51
  and he's reading the paper. I thought, oh, that's nice.
• 33:53
  So I go in the Nordstrom. I come back about an hour later,
• 33:56
  he's still sitting there. So I thought, OK, Martha, strike
• 33:59
  while the iron's hot. So I go up to him and I go,
• 34:01
  well, hello, are you waiting for your wife or girlfriend?
• 34:05
  Because I'm not a poacher. So he looks.
• 34:13
  He looks. Funny, he goes, No.
• 34:16
  I said oh. Good.
• 34:17
  Are you married or you know, have a girlfriend?
• 34:19
  He goes. No, I said.
• 34:21
  Good. Move your stuff off the chair.
• 34:24
  I'll sit down and we'll talk. I'm kind of bossy.
• 34:28
  And he looks at me and he goes, What?
• 34:31
  I said, you're alone. I'm alone.
• 34:33
  Let's get to know each other. That's funny.
• 34:35
  And he looks at me and he goes and he yells it.
• 34:38
  Everybody heard him. He yells it.
• 34:40
  I come to the mall to be alone. You know so.
• 34:45
  I'm like. OK, now what, Martha?
• 34:47
  So I put a smile on my face because, you know, I had
• 34:50
  encroached on his. I didn't belong there.
• 34:53
  And so I I put a smile on my face and I said, oh, my bad,
• 34:56
  have a nice day. And I walked off and I said next
• 35:00
  to myself there Martha, did things get any worse?
• 35:04
  No, you didn't have a date before.
• 35:06
  You don't have a date now, you know.
• 35:09
  In fact, they got better because now I've learned that I can be
• 35:11
  put down in front of the gazillion people and I'm still
• 35:14
  living. So that's my rejection.
• 35:19
  Story. But let's go back to that.
• 35:23
  Who goes to the mall? Back then when malls actually
• 35:25
  existed and there was, you know, you could have 1000 people at a
• 35:29
  mall at a time. Who goes to the mall for silence
• 35:32
  and quiet time? It's it's the polar opposite
• 35:34
  perverse, right? I can see going to the mall for
• 35:37
  people watching and things like that, right.
• 35:39
  And you probably dodged a. Bullet Martha.
• 35:41
  The guy was probably a pervert. That's just what my son.
• 35:43
  Said that's just what my son said.
• 35:47
  Now you can go to the mall and they're.
• 35:48
  They're nothing, yeah. There's no you're not a smart
• 35:52
  man. Now how many?
• 35:53
  How? Many.
• 35:54
  How many kids do you have? Just the one.
• 35:56
  How many kids do you have? He's grown now, Anthony.
• 35:59
  You have Martha. He's.
• 35:59
  Grown. Now he's 42, but when he was 40,
• 36:03
  my grand, my. Grandsons name?
• 36:05
  Yeah, well, now he's. Tony, you know, you grow up and
• 36:08
  he's Tony. Yeah.
• 36:09
  And like my grand Yeah. Yeah, my my grandson.
• 36:14
  'S name is Anthony, my first grandson.
• 36:16
  Anyway, his name is Anthony. My second one's his trip.
• 36:18
  But yeah, we call, we call Anthony, well, his name after
• 36:20
  his. Dad when he was four, my.
• 36:23
  Husband said well, if it's. A boy, you name him, if it's a
• 36:25
  girl, I'll name him. And that was back in the time
• 36:27
  when when I told the doctor I didn't want to know what it was
• 36:29
  where a girl. So we didn't know until he was
• 36:31
  born. And so because it was a boy I
• 36:34
  got, let's name him after his father.
• 36:36
  His father's a wonderful man, good man.
• 36:39
  So let's, let's make him. He's not a junior, but he's got
• 36:42
  the same name, so I think it worked out really well.
• 36:45
  He's a good kid. He's got his own business.
• 36:46
  He's called he's the film card star.
• 36:49
  He he sells and trades collectibles on eBay.
• 36:54
  So he makes a bunch. Of posts about, you know, old
• 36:57
  actors and stuff like that. Wow.
• 37:01
  So yeah, he grew up to be. He grew up cool, pretty good.
• 37:05
  Oh. My God.
• 37:05
  Some stories of. Stories.
• 37:07
  And but a lot of things, you know, he he 01 day we're at he
• 37:13
  he played football. So he he got recruited to be the
• 37:17
  quarterback at I think Benedictine University in
• 37:21
  Chicago. So his dad and I go.
• 37:23
  You know, I'm, I'm, I'm. It's just sports.
• 37:27
  Just don't. OK, so we're sitting on the
• 37:30
  stands and I'm recording. And I said.
• 37:33
  Tony, which one's Anthony? And you know, my husband says
• 37:37
  he's the quarterback, He's the quarterback.
• 37:40
  I said which one's the quarterback?
• 37:43
  Anthony. Just right.
• 37:45
  He gets the biggest kick out of that.
• 37:48
  At least I was there, kid. OK, At least I showed up.
• 37:54
  Yeah, Yes. Absolutely.
• 37:57
  That's. 90%. Of, of, of job right there.
• 38:00
  Showing up, being present, you know, and it's easy if you're
• 38:03
  showing up, being present. Of course, nowadays.
• 38:05
  Oh, my God. Parents are doing this.
• 38:06
  Yes. What's that, Johnny?
• 38:09
  Oh, yeah. Go ahead, Go ahead.
• 38:10
  Go ahead. Fire's good.
• 38:12
  Fire's good. It's OK.
• 38:13
  Kids are desperate for attention.
• 38:15
  Now, and you know I have a true story.
• 38:20
  Kids have. Goals and.
• 38:20
  Behavior. I've made this workbook tells
• 38:23
  you what your child's goal is. But nowadays, almost all of
• 38:26
  them, the goal is attention. Please, mom, give me some
• 38:29
  attention. Please, Dad, give me some
• 38:30
  attention. But you know, when kids
• 38:32
  misbehave, that's basically for four reasons.
• 38:34
  One is attention. The other is power because they
• 38:39
  feel so powerless. The other is for revenge.
• 38:42
  A lot of kids want revenge because they feel slighted and
• 38:46
  and not treated right. And then there's the display of
• 38:48
  inadequacy. And that's for the child who
• 38:50
  goes, oh, I can't do it. You're doing for me?
• 38:54
  Yeah, we've all come across kids like that.
• 38:56
  And you feel so discouraged, you know?
• 38:58
  So this book, this workbook, it tells you how to figure out what
• 39:01
  the child's goal is and what to do about it.
• 39:09
  Where do you fall? As far as like, at what age is
• 39:14
  social media acceptable? You know what?
• 39:16
  I. Would everything should needs to
• 39:19
  be no child should ever and I think until at least 16 they
• 39:23
  should not be able to be alone with their social media and the
• 39:27
  parents should be able to get on the phone and see anything that
• 39:31
  they're they're doing until age 16 because May 1516 because.
• 39:40
  But at what age would you? Let them get on their
• 39:42
  supervised. Sorry to interrupt you, but.
• 39:44
  What age would you let them get on their?
• 39:47
  You have to. Watch all of it.
• 39:49
  You have to watch these children's cartoons, and things
• 39:52
  these days are bizarre and weird and hateful and you know how
• 39:56
  many? Well, they were bizarre.
• 39:59
  They were, they were, but they were bizarre.
• 40:02
  They were bizarre when you're growing up.
• 40:03
  I mean, look at the cartoons we grew up on.
• 40:05
  There was violence. There was, you know, Elmer Fudd
• 40:08
  was killing people. You know what I mean?
• 40:09
  Right. So I mean, I mean, they were,
• 40:11
  they're basically, well, we. Or Bluto was.
• 40:14
  Basically domestically abusing olive oil all the time, right?
• 40:18
  Exactly so. I mean it's it's I mean you have
• 40:21
  to look perspective because we. When?
• 40:24
  When we were raising our kids, like in the mornings, I would
• 40:27
  they would, we would hang out and that type of thing.
• 40:29
  And then we'd watch the cartoons, the Ed, Eddie and
• 40:31
  Eddie and and you know, I was the first one comes to mind, but
• 40:34
  Dexter's Laboratory and Johnny Bravo.
• 40:37
  I mean, you know, so it's it's all the cartoons evolved because
• 40:41
  the kids that grew up watching cartoons, some of those went on
• 40:43
  to make cartoons, right? So you still have the same
• 40:46
  dynamic of them and they're all still weird.
• 40:48
  But that's the beautiful thing about cartoons.
• 40:50
  They expand the imagination. I mean, sponges don't talk,
• 40:53
  right? But SpongeBob was huge because
• 40:56
  it's this little yellow sponge and this star that have
• 40:59
  adventures under the sea. So that's no different than then
• 41:03
  what we grew up on, The Flintstones or the Jetsons and
• 41:05
  things like that. Just because they're cartoons.
• 41:07
  I get that they're weird. I get they're weird not because
• 41:09
  they are. We were big with our kids.
• 41:12
  Like you weren't going to get a, a, a cell phone at all until you
• 41:14
  hit 13. So was that what you did before?
• 41:16
  The smartphone. The school. 13 So there was
• 41:18
  years where they weren't cool at school.
• 41:21
  Yeah, but they weren't cool at school.
• 41:22
  Right, But they weren't cool at school because all their friends
• 41:24
  had it. But it's kind of like, when did
• 41:26
  their friends get it? I've I've dude.
• 41:28
  Nikki's got kids now that that you know, in in walk around in
• 41:33
  the I mean, everybody has phones, everybody.
• 41:34
  And that's school's policies are you don't have your phones out
• 41:37
  during the day, but do you know all your kids?
• 41:39
  Friends 3rd grade. 4th grade. Do you know all your kids?
• 41:41
  Friends and you know. And their pair, we, we knew, we,
• 41:49
  we had the, the unique thing that my wife is a school
• 41:54
  teacher. So the first six years of their
• 41:57
  lives, once they got into kindergarten, they went to
• 41:59
  school with her. Before that, they were they were
• 42:04
  in schools that were kind of small.
• 42:05
  We weren't big on day on daycare and things like that.
• 42:08
  So when it became. Evident that they needed.
• 42:11
  That kind of socialization. Then they would go, Nikki got a
• 42:15
  job actually at 1 of I think the preschool scholar was going to
• 42:18
  for a while and then realized, oh preschools are nightmares.
• 42:20
  So pulled her out of that. They both ended up going to
• 42:24
  Queen of Peace Catholic School for a while when Nikki got her
• 42:28
  teaching certificate. I mean, sure they had that, but
• 42:30
  just kind of just to get them to where she could be there.
• 42:33
  So yes and no. We knew who they associated with
• 42:35
  his school because my wife took him to school once they got into
• 42:38
  to the junior highs, because then we moved them to junior
• 42:41
  high in her neighborhood so they could have friends going into
• 42:44
  high school. We knew some, but not a lot.
• 42:46
  But we were also those parents that would grab the phone.
• 42:48
  Hey, give me your phone. I want to see, I want to scroll
• 42:50
  through it, you know, and, and so once, once your teenager
• 42:55
  starts fighting that, then, you know, there's an issue which we
• 42:59
  didn't, we didn't really think there was an issue like it was.
• 43:03
  But so we, we knew, but we didn't know everybody because
• 43:05
  it's impossible to know that. These children associate.
• 43:08
  With because it's it's just impossible.
• 43:11
  Back then it wasn't. Yeah, back then it wasn't as bad
• 43:13
  as it is now because of the online and the Google machine
• 43:17
  and access to everything. And and just so you know,
• 43:20
  Martha, I have I have your books.
• 43:22
  Thanks up on them. I see.
• 43:23
  Thank you on the. Screen here while you're.
• 43:25
  Chatting so just so people can yeah, just so people can.
• 43:29
  Is it just the one yes that you wrote is responsible in?
• 43:32
  The purple, that's the one I wrote.
• 43:34
  I'm I just have a story in the cookbook and practical
• 43:37
  happiness. She interviewed me.
• 43:39
  Yep, Yep. Right, you're right.
• 43:41
  Remember yeah, yeah, I remember that.
• 43:45
  That's pretty cool. That's why that pops up, which
• 43:46
  is cool. And until they interview,
• 43:48
  interview. And then this is your actual
• 43:50
  book that she wrote, OK, Because I you know, again, we're all
• 43:52
  about. We're all about and you know
• 43:55
  some. People buy my book and give it
• 43:56
  to, you know, 70s you paid give. It to their therapist quick.
• 43:59
  Read. That's good.
• 44:00
  That's. Good.
• 44:00
  So some people buy the book. They give it to their therapist,
• 44:03
  to their pastor, to their teachers, because it's, it's so
• 44:07
  useful. And, and you know, we're talking
• 44:09
  about social media and, and your kids.
• 44:12
  One man, what he does is to know who his children's friends are.
• 44:16
  Every month they have a, a Friday night where they invite
• 44:20
  all their friends over for dinner.
• 44:22
  So that way the parents get to meet the children because you
• 44:26
  need to know who your kids are hanging with.
• 44:28
  Some of these kids these days especially, they're exposed to a
• 44:32
  lot of stuff they shouldn't be, and they're hanging around with
• 44:36
  kids who don't have good morals and ethics.
• 44:40
  That was a necessity. When we were growing up.
• 44:44
  That was absolutely a. Necessity when we were growing
• 44:46
  up, and I think my mom would tell you, she would laugh
• 44:49
  because it would, she would never change the way she raised
• 44:51
  us, but she would say careful what you wish for because she
• 44:54
  has after kids. As soon as you meet my.
• 44:59
  Mother, she becomes your mother too.
• 45:01
  That's just, that's the way she operates.
• 45:03
  So I have friends that call my mother unbeknownst to me, right?
• 45:07
  Well, I talked to your mom couple weeks ago and she really
• 45:09
  helped me out. Which that's a.
• 45:13
  It's awesome. It's a small town thing too.
• 45:15
  When you're growing up, it's like everybody knew everything
• 45:17
  about you because you're a small town, right?
• 45:20
  For sure. So, so boys and girls that are
• 45:22
  paying attention right now, I'm on the Amazon.
• 45:24
  What a lot of people don't realize.
• 45:27
  It's real simple. You can get if you order today.
• 45:29
  What a lot of people don't realize.
• 45:30
  Is the effect other? Yeah.
• 45:33
  If you order today, you get. It with them you have on your
• 45:35
  kids. I might, I don't know.
• 45:38
  I. Might is the what up and out So
• 45:40
  a lot of people don't realize the effect other children.
• 45:42
  Oh yeah, on your kids. So you have that's you have to.
• 45:47
  Really pay attention to that and also I one thing to ask your
• 45:51
  child every day when they come home from school.
• 45:53
  That's got good. Yes.
• 45:55
  So but there while. We're waiting for Martha to come
• 45:57
  back on there, not what happened at school today.
• 45:59
  But what's the best thing and the worst thing that happened to
• 46:01
  you at school? 15 bucks and then.
• 46:02
  You share what? Was the best or worst thing that
• 46:04
  happened to you Very interesting.
• 46:06
  Then you have a common read. It's.
• 46:07
  Only 72 pages. Which means it's probably a
• 46:09
  really good easy read, which is nice because you know, audio
• 46:13
  book wise should probably be done with this thing in about
• 46:15
  1/2 an hour. If it's, you know, which is
• 46:16
  good. I mean, you want something
• 46:18
  quick, quick hitting to give you all the information that which
• 46:20
  is cool, 70 pages is nice is written in English.
• 46:23
  That's good. It's.
• 46:25
  Been out for over a year. It's a small book, you know, but
• 46:30
  that's cool. So if you're looking for
• 46:31
  something to help your children or help you raise your children
• 46:35
  to be happy and responsible, yes, there you go.
• 46:39
  There you go. That's good.
• 46:41
  I'll stop sharing that. But it's there, which is kind of
• 46:43
  funny, Mike, because a friend of ours that we used to live next
• 46:46
  to. The the wife.
• 46:48
  Had posted something. Like all these doctored.
• 46:54
  Up pictures right So she looks all prim and proper right?
• 46:56
  Like model ish and like. She's been married, probably for
• 47:00
  20. Five years, right?
• 47:01
  She was married for like 25 years or so, and then all of a
• 47:04
  sudden she starts popping up on Nikki's feed as a dating in a
• 47:07
  relationship coach. Excuse me?
• 47:12
  I haven't been in the dating realm for 32 years.
• 47:17
  Somebody behind you? I know Amazon, so how the.
• 47:19
  Hell actually UPS, so how the hell am I going to go become a
• 47:24
  relationship and dating expert when?
• 47:27
  I haven't. Been in the dating pool.
• 47:30
  Relationship expert. Well, I could be a relationship
• 47:32
  expert on my relationship with one person, but it's just when
• 47:35
  she started telling herself I was like that's you could be a
• 47:38
  bullshit. Yeah, you could be a
• 47:39
  relationship expert for sure, because you've been married for
• 47:42
  how many years we've been together?
• 47:45
  30 I forget if it's so you've been with the same.
• 47:48
  Person for over 30 years right and it qualifies you as a
• 47:51
  relationship expert if your goal is to stay with the same person
• 47:54
  right correct but you. Are not a.
• 47:56
  Dating expert No, because you have not dated someone since
• 47:59
  what, the 80s, nineties, 90s? And that's early. 90s, nineties,
• 48:03
  yeah. And that's the thing with.
• 48:07
  With this. Person it's.
• 48:08
  Like you, the dating part? No.
• 48:11
  Like you, you have no. You have no experience.
• 48:15
  Anymore agree with you 100%. There so you know it's.
• 48:17
  Nice that Martha. It would have been nice if
• 48:20
  Martha had two kids because then you would have seen the
• 48:22
  dichotomy between the two. And yeah, I always like how you.
• 48:26
  Answered that question for Skyler and Jake you're my
• 48:28
  favorite daughter you're my favorite son that's right that's
• 48:31
  all that problem very quickly right even though.
• 48:33
  You and then they still come at you.
• 48:35
  Hey, I still know I'm your favorite, of course.
• 48:39
  Yeah, you know. Which is.
• 48:42
  Always fun. But yeah, so that's interesting.
• 48:44
  That's an interesting approach to it, you know, but but she's,
• 48:49
  you know, she lived and breathed and that's cool.
• 48:50
  You know, that's really cool. So again, because we're waiting
• 48:53
  for her, I don't know if she'll come back on or not, but I
• 48:55
  don't. I got to start getting people's
• 48:56
  phone numbers, man. But I'll share the screen again
• 48:59
  so you guys can see how to find Martha's book.
• 49:03
  It's on Amazon. It's real simple.
• 49:05
  Yes. You can raise happy, responsible
• 49:06
  children. So there it is.
• 49:10
  I'll tell you what. Sells it for me if if I wanted
• 49:14
  somebody that I thought could teach me something.
• 49:17
  Just the fact that she was a professor, she spent her whole
• 49:21
  life around children, right? She spent a.
• 49:24
  Lot of time. With troubled children in the
• 49:27
  jails, with a a, those are the kind of people that you want to
• 49:31
  read their expertise because they've seen people at their
• 49:35
  worst. Yes, as you and I were and come
• 49:38
  out the other side to be healthy, productive members of
• 49:41
  society doesn't mean that you and I are living our life the
• 49:44
  way that everybody else would. There's plenty of people that
• 49:46
  would look at us and say I would never live my life that way.
• 49:49
  Right, right, right. But this works.
• 49:50
  For us. Yeah, and we're not hurting
• 49:53
  anybody, and we're paying our taxes and doing all the stupid
• 49:56
  bullshit that society says we're supposed to.
• 49:58
  Right? Right.
• 49:59
  I think that woman could give you the.
• 50:03
  Tools. And I guess.
• 50:05
  Tools is the right. Word to speak to your children
• 50:09
  to get them to the other side, to where they're not going to
• 50:12
  end up dying. An addict.
• 50:14
  Yeah, so. In in the back of her book, it
• 50:16
  says it's up on the screen. The pages of this book are full
• 50:18
  of practical wisdom and compassionate insight.
• 50:21
  And that's what you need. Practical.
• 50:22
  That's a good word. Exactly.
• 50:23
  It's a. Valuable guide that addresses
• 50:25
  everyday challenges that every parent faces, providing what you
• 50:28
  just said in. Valuable tools to help parents
• 50:30
  achieve the outcomes they want while helping their children
• 50:33
  flourish emotionally and intellectually.
• 50:35
  Right. That's that's a good, Yeah,
• 50:39
  that's. A Yeah, that's a good.
• 50:40
  Summary What sets this book apart is its thorough approach
• 50:43
  to addressing the multifaceted aspects of parenting which
• 50:47
  they're everywhere nowadays. A special social media and the
• 50:50
  access to everything at your fingertips from positive,
• 50:53
  positive approaches to dealing with discipline and corrective
• 50:55
  behavior. Is it really discipline anymore?
• 50:59
  Now here's a funny story about discipline.
• 51:00
  Right. So Tripp and Anthony were over
• 51:02
  at the house after it rained last week and.
• 51:06
  Tripp's a stubborn. Little man.
• 51:08
  And he keeps trying to pull out Anthony Sandra.
• 51:10
  He wants to write it, wants to write it.
• 51:12
  We're like, no, no, because it just rained, so everything was
• 51:14
  super wet. So Sky went.
• 51:16
  Over there, Just tapped him in the butt, like OK, he's wearing
• 51:19
  a diaper. Tapped in the butt.
• 51:19
  He turned around. Like what?
• 51:22
  What? And then he was doing again
• 51:23
  she's. Like you want dad spanking the
• 51:24
  butt So then he starts walking away and puts his hand behind
• 51:27
  his butt to cover to cover his. Butt did he have that?
• 51:31
  How dare you? Look on his face, right?
• 51:33
  Exactly. But then when she said dad, he
• 51:36
  legit took his hand and covered his butt.
• 51:38
  So if if his dad was there, he was like, you can't hit my butt
• 51:41
  because he got my hand in front of it.
• 51:43
  Total 2 year old mindset, right? But it wasn't it wasn't a
• 51:46
  dramatic Oh my God, I just spanked trip so hard.
• 51:49
  Bob. It was a it was a tap on the
• 51:50
  butt, which is padded by a diaper.
• 51:52
  For those who don't believe in spanking your kids, get over it.
• 51:55
  Every kid needs to be spanked at some point in time.
• 51:59
  My child right there is. Leaving the room, the Marine
• 52:01
  he's been spanked. He.
• 52:03
  Turned into a Marine. Right, he turned into a marine.
• 52:07
  And he's going to pop on the screen.
• 52:09
  Hold on. There you go, Jake.
• 52:10
  There's there's the Marine. It's not abuse.
• 52:12
  It's not abuse. Tell Jake.
• 52:13
  I said what? Up, Mike says what?
• 52:15
  Up. As balloons start flying on the
• 52:17
  screen there Mike, that must happen when I.
• 52:19
  Give the peace sign. It must.
• 52:21
  It must. So, so if you want to, if you
• 52:23
  want to learn, you want to add some tools, as Mike said, to
• 52:27
  your arsenal when raising children, go by Martha's book.
• 52:31
  Why not? It's 72 pages, it's 15 bucks.
• 52:33
  You can give you some insight on things that you may struggle
• 52:35
  with. Like you've heard me say on the
• 52:37
  show, I was a first time father to my daughter, was a first time
• 52:40
  father to my son. And they were different,
• 52:43
  different parenting approaches because they were different
• 52:45
  kids. They were different.
• 52:47
  It's kind of like my. Mom said a million times when
• 52:50
  you go to apply for a job, you know what you're getting into,
• 52:53
  right? You fill out an application,
• 52:54
  they explain this is what's expected of you.
• 52:58
  And you know going into it, this is what I'm going to be doing
• 53:01
  every day. No one hands you a book at the
• 53:03
  hospital when your child's born and says, no, this is how you're
• 53:06
  going to raise Jake. This is how you're going to
• 53:09
  raise Skyler, right? Here's an instruction manual.
• 53:11
  This will get you from age 0 to 18.
• 53:15
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 53:16
  So there's nothing. And she went.
• 53:18
  Through I'm not going to, if she ever wants to come tell her
• 53:21
  parenting story, she's more than welcome.
• 53:22
  She knows that. So I'll let her talk for
• 53:25
  herself. But I will say that she actively
• 53:28
  sought out many different avenues of help to make sure
• 53:33
  that what she was thinking was that, you know, because
• 53:36
  sometimes you're doing something that you think is the right
• 53:40
  thing. And, you know, halfway through
• 53:42
  it, I'm sure you went through and I'm sure Nikki went through
• 53:44
  it. Am I damaging my child by doing
• 53:46
  this? You know, am I doing the right
• 53:48
  thing? Am I?
• 53:48
  Because you always want, and we've said this a million times,
• 53:52
  we want their lives to turn out better than ours, right?
• 53:55
  That's your goal as a parent, right?
• 53:56
  A prime example. Too is is is Frank Gallagher
• 53:59
  right He he didn't do shit to raise his kids, but they all
• 54:02
  came out productive pierces of persons of society.
• 54:05
  You know what in his odd. Little way he loved them.
• 54:08
  Oh, he did we. Just we just we just finished
• 54:11
  the season last the the series last night for the second time
• 54:13
  and it's a trip what you pick up the second time around when you
• 54:16
  watch something. But the letter that he writes to
• 54:20
  to his family. And if I'm not going to, I mean,
• 54:23
  you've everybody's probably seen shameless, but you haven't.
• 54:25
  I'm not going to I'm not going to run it for you.
• 54:27
  If you haven't seen the series shameless, then go watch it.
• 54:29
  Go watch it because it it truly epitomizes growing up.
• 54:36
  Not necessarily poor, but kind of hand, you know, hand to
• 54:38
  mouth. You know what I mean?
• 54:39
  Like you're getting by day today.
• 54:41
  Yeah, and. And the struggles that you have
• 54:43
  with that and then and there's addiction rolled into that and
• 54:45
  there's abuse rolled into that and there's violence holding.
• 54:48
  It's just I reference. It every now and then which?
• 54:50
  I don't think Martha caught what I was saying when I reference
• 54:53
  she definitely had not watched. She, she thought this was a real
• 54:56
  family, which is what makes it funny.
• 54:59
  Yeah. So we weren't.
• 55:00
  Poking fun at you, Martha at all.
• 55:01
  So it's sex that we lost her. But yeah.
• 55:04
  So if you want to, if you want to find out about Martha, just
• 55:06
  Martha Burech BURBURICH, go to Amazon.
• 55:10
  She's got that book. You know, if I, like Mike said I
• 55:15
  had no example, like Mike had great examples as a parent.
• 55:19
  So if. I ever wanted to.
• 55:20
  Have kids. I would have had a lot of tools
• 55:22
  to draw from to raise my own children to get my little
• 55:26
  started. Yeah.
• 55:27
  And I had were. Amazing.
• 55:29
  And then my parents are amazing. They're both still.
• 55:30
  Alive. Sorry.
• 55:32
  Yeah. You are amazing and then they
• 55:33
  were amazing as parents. Yes, let me save.
• 55:36
  Myself. Yes, and I had an amazing.
• 55:38
  Grandmother, I had an amazing aunt.
• 55:41
  Unfortunately, yeah, that's where it ends for my amazing
• 55:43
  part of my family. So.
• 55:44
  But would you say that when? Let me ask you it this way, if
• 55:47
  you had not had those two women in your life that you cite as
• 55:51
  examples of responsible adults, do you think you would still
• 55:56
  turned out to be who you are today?
• 55:59
  I my my. Aunt, my aunt and I's
• 56:01
  relationship was it developed over time because they were,
• 56:04
  they were always in Illinois. I would say the last five years
• 56:07
  of my aunt's life, we we connected a little bit more just
• 56:11
  because of the kids. How old were you at that point?
• 56:14
  She died two years ago. So OK, late 40s because we, we
• 56:19
  began it. It's one of those things where
• 56:21
  you were. Well, that answers my.
• 56:23
  Question because you were already established as an adult
• 56:26
  her right? But her and her, her and my
• 56:29
  uncle, they weren't, they weren't into texting.
• 56:32
  So once, once they kind of like like, OK, fine, we have to text.
• 56:36
  Then that's kind of what opened up my aunt and I's relationship,
• 56:39
  my grandmother's relationship and I, and it's the same with my
• 56:42
  brother, with my grandmother, She was very involved in our
• 56:45
  lives. It was every week.
• 56:46
  And there was a phone call set. I forget Sunday morning and I
• 56:49
  want to say 8:00 AM or something to Emily religiously, every
• 56:52
  single week she would write us letters, which then, you know,
• 56:56
  we would turn around and respond to those letters, which is how I
• 57:00
  kind of, I think began my love for writing because it's, you
• 57:04
  know, every, every week I got a letter from my grandmother.
• 57:06
  And I wish I would have saved them because that would have
• 57:08
  been, you know, cool to look back on an entire, and I'm
• 57:11
  talking an entire lifetime from the time I could read, which was
• 57:14
  probably about, you know, 7. Fuck man, until I don't.
• 57:19
  Know when she died I mean, I got letters.
• 57:21
  It wasn't. She was in Illinois.
• 57:23
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:24
  So she wrote you from. Illinois to Arizona every week.
• 57:27
  That's awesome, man. Yeah, and there's the phone.
• 57:29
  Calls. And then when I struggled, I
• 57:31
  talked. To my Grammy all the time, man,
• 57:33
  that would be my great grandma. I was super young when she died.
• 57:36
  I was probably 9. But my my mom's mom, I spent a
• 57:40
  lot of time with her talking about things that I couldn't
• 57:43
  talk about my mom with at the time because it would have
• 57:45
  freaked her out, you know, right?
• 57:48
  And I I respected. My mom enough to know what would
• 57:51
  make her stay up at night. You know what I'm saying?
• 57:54
  Yeah. Yeah, I do even.
• 57:55
  As a young man. Or even as a young boy, like
• 57:57
  1516, when you're starting to do shit that you probably
• 58:01
  shouldn't, that you don't want your mother to know about,
• 58:03
  right? I would go talk to my Grammy
• 58:05
  about that and you and just so. You know your mother still know
• 58:08
  about it because your Grammy told her she did not.
• 58:11
  Really, she did. Not and my.
• 58:12
  Mom, my mom would come on here and testify because I've asked
• 58:15
  her as an adult, you know, that's amazing.
• 58:18
  That's cool. Unless my life.
• 58:20
  Was in danger. She never, you know, betrayed my
• 58:23
  confidence. And I don't think there was ever
• 58:25
  a situation where my Grammy knew my life was in danger.
• 58:28
  No, she's never. That's awesome, man.
• 58:30
  I'd be like don't tell. My mom this and I and she knew I
• 58:34
  needed somebody to talk to other than, you know, yeah, my Grammy
• 58:38
  was wise being beyond her years so well and I think.
• 58:42
  I think every grandparent is because being now that I'm a pop
• 58:45
  pop sure. You you take.
• 58:48
  My mom's in. The same boat now she's not
• 58:50
  honest. You you take.
• 58:51
  You take everything that you knew you did when you raised
• 58:54
  your own kids, the the successes and the failures, right?
• 58:56
  And then you're more patient when the grandkids come along
• 59:01
  because you kind of been there, done that.
• 59:04
  We all agree in my little unit of life that that I'm the one
• 59:07
  that Anthony respects the most, but I'm the one that initially
• 59:10
  disciplined him when he was younger and needed to have his
• 59:13
  little butt smacked. My dad has that role.
• 59:15
  In our as the patriarch, right, right, right.
• 59:17
  A lot of people look at him as the disciplinarian, but they
• 59:20
  also, he's also the first person that a lot of us respect.
• 59:24
  Right? Yeah, yeah.
• 59:26
  Yeah. And then for that, he walked the
• 59:28
  walk just. Like you walked the walk, he
• 59:29
  went to work every day for 32 years, six days a week, 12 hours
• 59:33
  a day when needed. So when?
• 59:35
  He talks you. Have to listen even when you
• 59:38
  don't want to. Just like you, you've provided
• 59:40
  for your family, provided them a stable, healthy environment to
• 59:46
  mature. In right.
• 59:47
  My dad did the same thing. So when Steele talks, people
• 59:50
  have to listen, right? It's like that.
• 59:52
  You have Hutton when. You have Hutton talks, people
• 59:54
  listen, yeah, but I'm sure you. Demand the same thing.
• 59:57
  His whole thing was to get you to understand that if you want
• 1:00:01
  to have your own opinion and you want to live your life this your
• 1:00:06
  own way, you're going to do it in your own house, right?
• 1:00:10
  So you have to pick yourself up enough and become independent
• 1:00:15
  enough to have your own opinion, right?
• 1:00:18
  That's what I got out of what he asked of me.
• 1:00:21
  And I don't think that's too much to ask of anybody.
• 1:00:24
  No, he's fine with. You having your own opinion, but
• 1:00:27
  not in his house, right? It's like in in my house, we're
• 1:00:30
  going to do things my way because this is what's worked
• 1:00:33
  for me. That makes sense.
• 1:00:36
  And then it sounds brutally harsh.
• 1:00:38
  But but but he does it in the nicest way possible.
• 1:00:40
  He really does, but it's not. Brutally harsh because that's
• 1:00:43
  that's the the what is it? The the tested over time.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah, you know that. And in.
• 1:00:49
  His joking. Manner, he'll say, you know, if
• 1:00:51
  I didn't do that, I'd have 70 people living in here and you
• 1:00:54
  know, we just can't have that. The house isn't that big, right?
• 1:00:56
  It's not the Gallaghers. Household right where you you
• 1:00:59
  know Carl brings over his entire Tamale rolling Mexican family
• 1:01:02
  because he has a crush on the daughter you know so yeah you
• 1:01:05
  know it's it's it's and I don't know how your.
• 1:01:08
  Dichotomy works in your house, and I'm sure it's a probably
• 1:01:11
  fairly similar to what I grew up in, but my mother was the person
• 1:01:14
  that would take anybody in and feed them.
• 1:01:16
  And do you know, that's the way it's supposed to be?
• 1:01:18
  And then my dad would be like, OK, you've been here long
• 1:01:20
  enough, now here's what's going to happen next.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah. We kind of like, well, we have.
• 1:01:26
  Mickey and Edwards not really good cop bad.
• 1:01:28
  Cop I don't want to say no, but we were no.
• 1:01:30
  No, but we were. We were empty nesters.
• 1:01:31
  And then Skylar dropped the bomb and that.
• 1:01:34
  Completely changed our. Life so it's it's a good it's
• 1:01:37
  good and bad right because we were at that point in our lives
• 1:01:40
  where it's like Nikki and I can now go do focus on us and we got
• 1:01:43
  married young enough that you know I had somebody the other
• 1:01:46
  day was blown away when when I told her one of my listing
• 1:01:50
  appointments blown away when I told her I had two grandkids.
• 1:01:52
  She's like you don't look old enough to have grandchildren.
• 1:01:55
  I'm like, I thank you, I know, but that's the thing we we
• 1:01:59
  literally like we were done like we literally that's.
• 1:02:05
  Like yay we're. Free now we can start doing our
• 1:02:07
  own things and and that changed so we're not that family that's
• 1:02:12
  like, oh, anybody can come, you know come in and you know we're
• 1:02:15
  going to feed you that kind of stuff we're not that thing but
• 1:02:18
  it's because it's just. Nikki I Skyler.
• 1:02:21
  And Jake, and now we have June and and, and Tripp and Anthony
• 1:02:26
  and then June's family. That's kind of it.
• 1:02:28
  Like now since my aunt passed away, my grandmother passed
• 1:02:30
  away, That's kind of it. There's no my.
• 1:02:33
  Brother and I have. 2-3 conversations a year, two of
• 1:02:36
  which are on birthdays and that and that's fine because that's
• 1:02:39
  our relationship there's nothing good or bad about that.
• 1:02:41
  It is what it is right? So that's kind of it.
• 1:02:44
  I don't have I don't have the luxury and of the big family,
• 1:02:47
  which it isn't a bad thing because they don't have to deal
• 1:02:50
  with the the neither one of us have to deal with the evil in
• 1:02:52
  laws, right, Because the in laws are always evil.
• 1:02:55
  Neither one of us have to deal with chaos at Hallow, at
• 1:02:58
  Thanksgiving and Christmas and you know, all that stuff, which
• 1:03:03
  sometimes. Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Here's we're looking at it from the.
• 1:03:05
  Outside and for me, because I never had a family other than my
• 1:03:09
  own, right, the one I grew up in, right.
• 1:03:12
  And even there, you know, everybody's an individual.
• 1:03:16
  So the way that I look at life is so many people, they think
• 1:03:21
  that they have to hang on to this original family, right?
• 1:03:25
  That's only true if that original family is deserving.
• 1:03:29
  You know, like in your case, why would you go to your mother's
• 1:03:33
  house for dinner on Sunday to have her tell you what a
• 1:03:36
  horrible piece of shit you were growing up every day or
• 1:03:39
  whatever, whatever kind of negativity in your life would
• 1:03:42
  succumb to doing that every Sunday?
• 1:03:44
  Why would you do that? Just because she's your mother,
• 1:03:47
  right? Well, that's kind of why I.
• 1:03:48
  Referenced the, the Mickey Milkovich and Terry Milkovich
• 1:03:51
  situation because the way they wrote that, you've seen
• 1:03:54
  Shameless, right? Terry was an asshole.
• 1:03:56
  He was an asshole, Yeah. And like, there's no other way
• 1:03:59
  to phrase that. Like the the character's just a
• 1:04:02
  straight up asshole. I still can't think of that
• 1:04:05
  fucking. Term that you're trying to say,
• 1:04:06
  It's bothered me the whole podcast, by the way, I want to
• 1:04:09
  say it's the Florence Nightingale syndrome.
• 1:04:11
  There it is. There it is, Florence.
• 1:04:13
  Nightingale syndrome, Yes, I think it's the Nightingale
• 1:04:15
  syndrome. Right, OK, but that's that's why
• 1:04:18
  I was. Getting that and the validation
• 1:04:20
  like Mickey's character was seeking validation and he was
• 1:04:23
  emotional and distraught when his after Terry was after after
• 1:04:26
  the nun killed Terry and and and Ian's like what the fuck is
• 1:04:29
  wrong with you man? And Mickey doesn't know, but
• 1:04:31
  it's. I don't know.
• 1:04:34
  How I'm going to honestly react when when both my parents leave
• 1:04:37
  this earth? I don't think I'm going to have
• 1:04:39
  any emotional reaction to it because I don't think you are
• 1:04:42
  either. My father's so removed.
• 1:04:44
  From me. He was there to donate his sperm
• 1:04:45
  and that was it. And the fact that if you're
• 1:04:47
  watching this, you prick, the fact that he disowned me because
• 1:04:51
  I didn't respond to a random anonymous gift that he sent to
• 1:04:54
  Anthony five years ago. It's just just shows you how
• 1:04:59
  petty and what a what just an insecure, inadequate human he is
• 1:05:03
  because he willingly let us leave the state and had
• 1:05:07
  absolutely no desire and never tried to actually be involved in
• 1:05:12
  our life. He was a threat growing up.
• 1:05:14
  Do you want to go live with your father?
• 1:05:16
  No, I don't want to go live with my father because she painted a
• 1:05:18
  picture of him being such as monumental asshole, which, you
• 1:05:22
  know, obviously. His side of the story is
• 1:05:23
  completely. Different, which is why they're
• 1:05:25
  2. They were Frank and Monica just
• 1:05:27
  in a well. That's why this important.
• 1:05:29
  That's why this conversation is important, because you're
• 1:05:31
  proving my point, right. So to everybody out there that's
• 1:05:34
  listening to this, that feels guilty that they're not talking
• 1:05:37
  to people that were abusive to them just because they're their
• 1:05:40
  family, give that shit up. Yes, right.
• 1:05:44
  That. Guilt is not guilt that you need
• 1:05:46
  to bear. The person that did that to you
• 1:05:50
  should feel guilty as shit. And to Chris's point, normally
• 1:05:55
  they don't because there's such. What's the word that's?
• 1:05:59
  Thank you man. That was going to elude me.
• 1:06:01
  There's such narcissist that there are.
• 1:06:04
  The reason you feel guilty is because they keep throwing it
• 1:06:06
  back in your court, right? Yep.
• 1:06:08
  Why don't you ever call me? Yep.
• 1:06:10
  You know, the fact, Yeah, the fact that we don't talk is
• 1:06:13
  that's your fault, right? You.
• 1:06:15
  The phone works both ways, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:06:17
  Yes, it does. And I.
• 1:06:18
  I just tested. This theory on someone that
• 1:06:20
  meant a lot to me. And I think I I was taught that
• 1:06:25
  I didn't mean as much to that person as I thought I did.
• 1:06:28
  Right. Right.
• 1:06:28
  Because I was on the weird initiating all the conversation.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, No, I've been there. Done that with my brother and
• 1:06:36
  not not anything ill will for my brother at all because he's
• 1:06:39
  never done anything to to harm me in any way shape or form.
• 1:06:42
  But. I tried for years to be.
• 1:06:44
  Involved in his life. And it was always me reaching
• 1:06:47
  out, me reaching out, let's do this, let's do this, let's do
• 1:06:49
  this. And finally you just get the
• 1:06:50
  point where I'm fucked. And I'm tired of that.
• 1:06:51
  I'm tired of being the 1 to reach out.
• 1:06:52
  So I just stopped. And that's that's evolved to
• 1:06:55
  really 3-4 conversations a year and that's it.
• 1:06:58
  And like you said earlier. That's our relationship and
• 1:07:01
  that's fine. It's fine because.
• 1:07:03
  That's that's what we've garbage headed towards now, you would
• 1:07:06
  think because. You went through the trauma.
• 1:07:08
  We went through as siblings, it would be different, but we
• 1:07:11
  learned when we went back to my grandmother's funeral because he
• 1:07:14
  was two years older than me. And when when our father left us
• 1:07:19
  there, the story my grandmother told and my aunt told was he was
• 1:07:22
  so taken back by that that he would they would see him sitting
• 1:07:26
  in the picture window for hours, staring outside for hours
• 1:07:28
  waiting for him to come home. And he.
• 1:07:31
  Never came home. And then we.
• 1:07:33
  Had to. Uproot and leave Arizona or
• 1:07:35
  leave Illinois to come to Arizona because of my as being
• 1:07:37
  so bad. So when he and I basically went
• 1:07:41
  to the funeral and rented a car and drove all the back roads
• 1:07:45
  from where I think we went to Saint Louis and then drove all
• 1:07:47
  the back roads to Abington, Illinois, where everything was
• 1:07:51
  happening. But in.
• 1:07:53
  That time we had conversations that that we never really had
• 1:07:56
  growing up because we weren't mature enough to have those
• 1:07:58
  conversations and and it kind of came out in a conversation that
• 1:08:03
  he. Always harbored a grudge.
• 1:08:04
  Against me because I'm the reason we left Illinois, because
• 1:08:06
  that's he knew it. He knew enough of Illinois then
• 1:08:08
  because he was 5. So we had enough memories and,
• 1:08:11
  and, and the family and stuff that was around there on my on
• 1:08:17
  my. Mother.
• 1:08:18
  'S side, the family dynamic was fantastic, which is mind
• 1:08:20
  boggling because she's such a fuck and and my father's dynamic
• 1:08:24
  family, they were fucking assholes.
• 1:08:26
  That's where I get the the lack of empathy.
• 1:08:29
  I think that comes from the Dunham side because really,
• 1:08:31
  David Dunham could give a fuck about me or my brother.
• 1:08:35
  His parents could give a fuck about me or my brother.
• 1:08:37
  There was nothing. There was no grandparents type
• 1:08:40
  connection at all with them. They didn't write letters, they
• 1:08:43
  didn't call us. We were just kind of a by
• 1:08:45
  product. They.
• 1:08:47
  They loved. David's older brother John more
• 1:08:49
  than loved David, kind of like what Martha was alluding to.
• 1:08:53
  So David was kind of pushed to the side.
• 1:08:55
  So I think in turn, that's where he learned to push everybody to
• 1:08:57
  the side, which is why he has no empathy.
• 1:08:59
  And you know, he had one of those jobs where he he put on
• 1:09:01
  his headphones. This is one of the 12
• 1:09:03
  conversations I've had with him in my lifetime where he, he
• 1:09:06
  loved Pink Floyd. So he'd put on his headphones at
• 1:09:07
  work and just ignore everybody and just do his work.
• 1:09:10
  He was some kind of auditor for the state I the state revenue in
• 1:09:14
  Illinois, so. He was, you know, living.
• 1:09:17
  In a cubicle, listening to music all day, interacting with no
• 1:09:21
  one, you know, and just decided he didn't want anything to do
• 1:09:24
  with us, which, you know, so be it.
• 1:09:25
  But I don't. Well, that you know, that was
• 1:09:26
  common. Back then too man, like you were
• 1:09:29
  saying, when Martha was on it was even more common.
• 1:09:32
  The generation before that where a woman would get pregnant and.
• 1:09:38
  They would get married just. Because the woman was pregnant,
• 1:09:41
  right? That was the sole reason that
• 1:09:42
  these two people got together because in the, you know,
• 1:09:46
  everybody was pretty much still adhering to the laws of the
• 1:09:50
  church, you know, So if if you were married, if you had a child
• 1:09:55
  out of wedlock, that was you were posture.
• 1:09:58
  You right you were, especially in a town this size.
• 1:10:01
  Right. And you were sitting?
• 1:10:02
  Yeah. But you were.
• 1:10:04
  You were sent away. To the home for wayward boys and
• 1:10:06
  girls. Exactly you Whoa, what the fuck,
• 1:10:09
  man? So the.
• 1:10:10
  Result is what you just described.
• 1:10:14
  You have a person who never really wanted children working a
• 1:10:17
  job they never really wanted to go to.
• 1:10:20
  So it goes back to, I think it was Walt Whitman, one of those
• 1:10:24
  guys said most men live lives of quiet desperation.
• 1:10:28
  I love that quote. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  That is, yeah, most men live. Lives of quiet desperation,
• 1:10:34
  meaning that they are doing something they don't want to do
• 1:10:38
  every day, and longing for what they really wanted to do as a
• 1:10:41
  boy. Right?
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, Yeah. Martha messaged us.
• 1:10:45
  I just I had my phone upside down when we do the show so.
• 1:10:52
  She's lost a connection. It won't reconnect.
• 1:10:57
  I'll just that's OK, that's. OK, we've spoke very highly of
• 1:11:01
  you and and plugged your book and stuff, so tell her what
• 1:11:05
  happens That was. Fun.
• 1:11:06
  We'll have you. We'll have you back.
• 1:11:07
  On, you know, no big deal. We'll continue the conversation
• 1:11:10
  at some point in 2026. Martha was cool.
• 1:11:15
  She was cool and it's automatic. I think it's on Mellencamp.
• 1:11:20
  And I just heard that like. Three days ago.
• 1:11:21
  How crazy is that? That's right.
• 1:11:23
  Awesome. It is awesome.
• 1:11:25
  At the big Big Daddy's a good album, man, Martha says she.
• 1:11:28
  Don't need no stinking man making no decisions for her yo.
• 1:11:32
  Yo-yo, I would pull it up. But I'm afraid I'm oh, we'll get
• 1:11:37
  booted for. Sure, we'll get booted, but
• 1:11:39
  yeah. So now that's going to be our
• 1:11:41
  new. Thing we'll get booted off the
• 1:11:42
  YouTube. Yeah, but you know.
• 1:11:45
  Into a drinking game. Water, of course.
• 1:11:49
  Drinking water? Yeah, drinking water, Kool.
• 1:11:51
  Aid shots have some. Kool-aid shots yes without
• 1:11:53
  strict 9 of course yes, without the alcohol.
• 1:11:57
  Just regular kool-aid man No kool-aid shots.
• 1:12:00
  Hey, do you have? Access to Disney Plus, having
• 1:12:03
  all those things around. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Have you watched the new series called The Ocean, narrated by
• 1:12:09
  David Attenborough, who is now the greatest narrators on the
• 1:12:12
  history of the Earth and one of the greatest explorers?
• 1:12:15
  Do yourself a favor. It's an hour and 28 minutes, OK?
• 1:12:18
  I learned more about the ocean and how it relates to the Earth
• 1:12:21
  in that hour and 28 minutes last night than I have known my whole
• 1:12:24
  life. OK, Did you know that the
• 1:12:27
  majority, over half of our oxygen comes from the ocean?
• 1:12:30
  We were taught that. Wow.
• 1:12:32
  The rainforests and the trees. Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Yes, they don't even pale in comparison to the amount of
• 1:12:37
  oxygen that we get from the kelp and the algae that grows in the
• 1:12:41
  ocean. And if that ever dies, we are
• 1:12:44
  FUCKED. Yes.
• 1:12:47
  Wow. Oh yeah, do everybody.
• 1:12:49
  Everybody that's out there, most people have access to Disney
• 1:12:52
  Plus. If you have children watch this
• 1:12:54
  series called The Ocean, especially your kids will love
• 1:12:57
  it too because it has a lot of great, you know, obviously
• 1:13:01
  cinematography and because National Geographic did it.
• 1:13:04
  So, yeah, National. Geographic.
• 1:13:06
  'S the ball. Man, that's one thing my
• 1:13:08
  grandmother did. She sent U.S.
• 1:13:09
  National Geographics subscription by until I was 18
• 1:13:14
  years old. Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:13:15
  Yeah. And.
• 1:13:17
  That and back then that was Grandpa.
• 1:13:18
  Or my dad, My dad's dad, my grandpa.
• 1:13:21
  He subscribed. To National.
• 1:13:22
  Geographic. He always had him stacked up out
• 1:13:24
  on his porch. Yep.
• 1:13:26
  We got in cycle, but she randomly one day showed up
• 1:13:28
  Encyclopedias which and for those you don't understand what
• 1:13:31
  an encyclopedia is, it was Google in hard print it was.
• 1:13:35
  Wikipedia before Wikipedia, right?
• 1:13:37
  It was you. Had the IT was like a book that
• 1:13:40
  was Google and, you know, Google in hard print.
• 1:13:43
  Right, you have to look shit. Up but it was I mean that was
• 1:13:47
  the thing like she cared enough about us for those little things
• 1:13:50
  that and National Geographic when you're a kid man, I mean
• 1:13:53
  aside from the, you know, to see the rest of the world right
• 1:13:56
  aside. From the topless, the African.
• 1:13:58
  Women, I was just saying aside. From the topless black women.
• 1:14:03
  It it, it did it. Opened up the world to you.
• 1:14:05
  Like remember seeing them women with the plates.
• 1:14:07
  In their lips. Oh yeah, weird man.
• 1:14:10
  Weird, it's just, but it was it was fascinating.
• 1:14:12
  That was that was cool to grow up and getting those and I don't
• 1:14:15
  know how much I read through them, but I I definitely would
• 1:14:17
  look through everything. It was the one that came up and
• 1:14:20
  for us, you know. But it was.
• 1:14:21
  It was. Legit to have to have the she
• 1:14:25
  had the the insight. To give us the tool to see.
• 1:14:29
  The world without actually leaving our house, right?
• 1:14:34
  Which Google does which. Google does now, but.
• 1:14:37
  You know, so there you go. That's what I got.
• 1:14:40
  How'd you do this past weekend in sports?
• 1:14:42
  Because, because fucking. I started Jackson Dart, but
• 1:14:45
  Jamar Chase had such a shitty day.
• 1:14:47
  I lost. Jackson Dart screwed me because
• 1:14:52
  I'd never would have dreamed he would have went out there and
• 1:14:54
  actually won that game. So.
• 1:14:57
  I bet on the other team. Did I put I'd?
• 1:14:59
  See, I, I started Jackson Dart because I figured one or two
• 1:15:03
  things are going to happen. He's going to succeed and keep
• 1:15:05
  Dabel's job for another week or he's going to fall flat on the
• 1:15:08
  face and Dabel's going to get fired and he.
• 1:15:10
  Succeeded. Yeah, kudos to him, man.
• 1:15:12
  He went. Out, yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah, the defensive line the Giants has is is pretty fucking
• 1:15:17
  fantastic. It's just they got to do a
• 1:15:18
  little bit of job at at the the defensive back part of it.
• 1:15:22
  But you know, Cam scataboo lookout world, because that dude
• 1:15:26
  is just a beast. And you get that's the cool
• 1:15:28
  thing. I wish they would do this.
• 1:15:30
  I wish they would put Scataboo again Singletary in the
• 1:15:34
  backfield with Jackson Dart. Have a Titan and a couple wide
• 1:15:37
  receivers over here and say OK defense who you going to cover?
• 1:15:40
  That's what that would be. Awesome, right?
• 1:15:42
  And they've never. Done it, man.
• 1:15:43
  They didn't do it when they had Tiki and Brandon or when they
• 1:15:45
  had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Brash.
• 1:15:47
  They never did 22 runners in the backfield with Tiki and and Ron
• 1:15:52
  Dane. Never.
• 1:15:52
  It's like you're missing an opportunity to make the defense
• 1:15:57
  go what? Because you have.
• 1:16:01
  Jackson dart is is as mobile as as the running backs are.
• 1:16:04
  It's like dude just open it up and then slants, slants, dink
• 1:16:08
  and dunk. Why don't more teams with rookie
• 1:16:09
  quarterbacks? Do quick slants.
• 1:16:13
  Get them in a rhythm right, the real quick, the quick short
• 1:16:15
  routes, get them in a rhythm and then start building from there.
• 1:16:18
  I don't understand why they don't do that more with with
• 1:16:20
  quarterbacks regard. Like Tom Brady beat the Falcons
• 1:16:23
  in the Super Bowl by doing what in the second-half?
• 1:16:25
  Just pick 3. Apart 3 yards. 4 yards. 5 yards,
• 1:16:28
  10 yards, 3 yards, 2 yards, 6 yards, 1 yard negative I heard
• 1:16:32
  Tom Brady talking about. That and that was obviously a
• 1:16:36
  very conscious decision. And like he said, if you throw
• 1:16:39
  the ball 4 yards and the next time you throw it 6 yards, you
• 1:16:44
  got a first down. If you throw the ball 6 yards
• 1:16:46
  and the next time you throw it 5 yards, you got another first
• 1:16:48
  down. If you throw the ball 3 yards
• 1:16:50
  and the next time you throw 8 yards, you got another first
• 1:16:53
  down, right? Yeah, it's.
• 1:16:55
  Simple math. It is simple.
• 1:16:57
  It always fascinates me when. It's third and eight and they
• 1:17:00
  throw the ball 3 yards. I know they're looking OK.
• 1:17:03
  If it's a screen pass, I'll forgive them, right?
• 1:17:05
  That's a design play. But when they run a slant route
• 1:17:08
  4 yards or five yards out and it's third and eight, I'm like,
• 1:17:12
  what the fuck are you doing? Right?
• 1:17:14
  You can't always count on that guy to run four more yards, no.
• 1:17:18
  No. Like Cam Scataboo's average yard
• 1:17:20
  per carry is 4.4 yards, which is great, but does that mean every
• 1:17:23
  time he touches the ball? No, that's the average.
• 1:17:26
  Right. Sometimes he's going to get 2
• 1:17:28
  right. Or one or -3 you don't know, but
• 1:17:32
  who you know, the people. He hits the field the next day.
• 1:17:35
  So as the season goes on, if he can maintain this level of
• 1:17:38
  intensity, it's going to work well to his advantage.
• 1:17:41
  Because then people are going to start not wanting to tackle him
• 1:17:44
  because they're going to remember, you know, that kiss
• 1:17:47
  that guy, man. Right, just a stuff.
• 1:17:50
  Yeah, he is. He's.
• 1:17:51
  A beast. I have him too.
• 1:17:52
  He's a good I yeah, he's he's old school runner.
• 1:17:56
  He's going back to Walter Payton era.
• 1:18:00
  Exactly. That's why I like to watch him.
• 1:18:01
  Play for sure. Yeah, remember those?
• 1:18:03
  Remember. Those, I don't remember those
• 1:18:04
  Earl Campbell, it's probably both Earl Campbell and Walter
• 1:18:06
  Payton where they would wind their arm up to to Earl
• 1:18:09
  Campbell. Did that too, absolutely into
• 1:18:11
  the defender. It was fantastic.
• 1:18:13
  I bet we could do that without Peyton giving that stiff.
• 1:18:16
  Arm that was like, there's no tomorrow.
• 1:18:18
  Yep, Guy'd come. At him and he'd.
• 1:18:20
  Just push him away. What am I thinking?
• 1:18:23
  What's it called? Straight arm, yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Steph, Arm, straight arm. Yeah, OK.
• 1:18:31
  So while you're. Looking at a.
• 1:18:33
  Congratulations to my Chicago Cubs on making the National
• 1:18:36
  League Division Championship. Oh, right on.
• 1:18:39
  Where did it go, Cubs? Oh.
• 1:18:41
  Really. Yeah, right on.
• 1:18:44
  I don't care. No, I haven't watched I.
• 1:18:47
  Don't. Well, I used to, but I just
• 1:18:48
  haven't really. So let's see.
• 1:18:51
  Can I turn? I see if I could turn this deck.
• 1:18:53
  Can I mute that? OK, cool.
• 1:18:54
  So I'm muting that so they can't see it.
• 1:18:56
  So they can't hear it. This is Earl Campbell's one of
• 1:18:59
  the greatest stiff arms in football history.
• 1:19:03
  He's number. 20. This is.
• 1:19:05
  Probably college. Oh my.
• 1:19:08
  That was awesome once more. Maestro.
• 1:19:13
  He picked him up off. The ground, yeah, yeah, that was
• 1:19:15
  fantastic. That's.
• 1:19:18
  Earl Campbell. Boys and girls, epic.
• 1:19:20
  OK, here's. Another one.
• 1:19:21
  Here's another. Here's another Earl Campbell.
• 1:19:23
  Earl Campbell Beast. OK, this one's a little bit
• 1:19:26
  longer if you're just listening. Ladies and gentlemen, he
• 1:19:28
  literally picked this gentleman up off the ground and pushed him
• 1:19:31
  down and kept running. Yeah, and I have the.
• 1:19:34
  YouTube muted so they can't shut us down.
• 1:19:36
  No, but some people are just listening.
• 1:19:38
  Let's get to the plays. Let's get to oh, here we go.
• 1:19:40
  This is Earl Campbell. OK, the dude, the historically
• 1:19:44
  they've talked about how his thighs were as big as a man's
• 1:19:47
  head. Well, you know who he reminds.
• 1:19:49
  Who reminds me of him now is Derrick Henry.
• 1:19:52
  Oh yes, I. Don't know why Tennessee got rid
• 1:19:54
  of Derrick Henry. Dude, that was a because it was
• 1:19:56
  stupid. Look at that, look at that.
• 1:19:58
  That's. Against the charges dude.
• 1:19:59
  Sideways. He was stiff arming that dude
• 1:20:02
  running back, right? Rewind that a little bit, right?
• 1:20:04
  That was crazy. Man.
• 1:20:06
  Rewinded about 15 seconds. OK, there we go.
• 1:20:10
  He's running backwards. For a second, stiff arming that
• 1:20:12
  dude. Yeah, well.
• 1:20:14
  I didn't. Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  Like, do you think Saquan Barkley something?
• 1:20:16
  Google Earl Campbell and Walter Payton.
• 1:20:18
  This is why Saquan Barkley is here and doing what he does.
• 1:20:21
  If Steele's listening. To this right now, he's probably
• 1:20:24
  like, oh, yeah, Earl Campbell, look at that.
• 1:20:26
  Oh. Boom, watch, watch.
• 1:20:29
  He's just so big. Man, he was.
• 1:20:31
  He was mammoth and he was. Fast.
• 1:20:33
  Look at this. He's going like that.
• 1:20:35
  Look at that. You can't get me down.
• 1:20:37
  You can't get me down. There he is again.
• 1:20:39
  This is the Cam scataboo element right here.
• 1:20:41
  Look at that. Just power boom running.
• 1:20:44
  Downhill, as they say, Right and nobody.
• 1:20:47
  Runs. Downhill.
• 1:20:47
  And that was the biggest problem I have with Barkley in in in New
• 1:20:50
  York. He would never just hit the hole
• 1:20:52
  and go. He'd always stutter step left,
• 1:20:54
  right, where do I got to go? Instead of just hitting the hole
• 1:20:56
  and going. Then he gets to fill and he hits
• 1:20:58
  the hole. Look at that one like he got, he
• 1:21:00
  should have been knocked down right there.
• 1:21:02
  Instead, he scores a touchdown and by the.
• 1:21:04
  Way this guy played. With concussions every day, no
• 1:21:07
  question, right? There, he just smacked helmets
• 1:21:10
  with that dude. That's a Cam scatter.
• 1:21:12
  But man, look at that. He held the ball out.
• 1:21:13
  In front right, And then he got his jersey.
• 1:21:15
  Ripped off his back, Earl. Campbell.
• 1:21:19
  Look at that. Look at that.
• 1:21:20
  Boom, boom, boom. Three guys and then he's running
• 1:21:22
  over. I'll get on my way, get on my
• 1:21:24
  way. I don't want none of you.
• 1:21:25
  Get on my way. See ya, because he was.
• 1:21:28
  The same number. Look up some Walter Payton.
• 1:21:30
  I'm good, I'm good. I was waiting.
• 1:21:31
  For this one to wrap up, look at that stiff.
• 1:21:33
  I'm down the ground. See you.
• 1:21:36
  Two in a row actually. Yeah, yeah, he's this one's
• 1:21:39
  almost done. Here it comes.
• 1:21:43
  Wait for it. Boom.
• 1:21:46
  That was awesome. That was brutal right there.
• 1:21:48
  That was awesome. OK, so now we're going to go
• 1:21:50
  Peyton. That's they have somebody doing
• 1:21:52
  now. Who is at some?
• 1:21:56
  Running back to keep showcasing, running up mountains.
• 1:21:58
  Like OK, dude, that's Walter Payton.
• 1:22:00
  You're doing Peyton's. Let's go, you're doing Peyton's.
• 1:22:03
  So this is Walter Payton. You can see it right?
• 1:22:05
  Yep, so he was. A little bit.
• 1:22:08
  Smaller than Earl Campbell, so he had a little bit more speed
• 1:22:12
  and quickness, I think. Oh, he was quite a bit smaller.
• 1:22:14
  But but look at the. Look at the look at the ankles
• 1:22:17
  he's breaking. His was his centre.
• 1:22:19
  Of gravity, man, he was just so hard to tackle.
• 1:22:22
  It wasn't that he was big, you just couldn't tackle him right
• 1:22:25
  like that, like. And then he could throw.
• 1:22:27
  There's no highlight of him throwing.
• 1:22:28
  People forget about that. He.
• 1:22:29
  Threw, I don't know, quite a few, but he threw a few touches.
• 1:22:32
  Yeah, look at that one. Look.
• 1:22:34
  At That was crazy. Yeah, he was like.
• 1:22:36
  Halfway parallel to the ground and stood back up on that one,
• 1:22:40
  yeah. I don't want.
• 1:22:43
  I don't. I don't.
• 1:22:44
  Obviously, I saw him. Play a lot of games, man.
• 1:22:46
  He was this is this is something.
• 1:22:47
  Special to watch. This is the Hunter's.
• 1:22:50
  Scariest players in the NFL, We won't watch all this because 15
• 1:22:53
  minutes, but some of these sets are going to like, you couldn't
• 1:22:56
  get away with some of that stuff now.
• 1:22:58
  These are the reasons. That they made.
• 1:23:04
  Like somebody's. Going to die, yeah.
• 1:23:06
  Yeah, we don't need to see your antics, murderer.
• 1:23:11
  Let's just get to the. Get to the hits, man.
• 1:23:14
  And that was probably the wrong thing.
• 1:23:17
  That wasn't enough. Walter.
• 1:23:18
  I had Walter Payton highlight. Oh, yeah.
• 1:23:20
  Walter Payton. Oh, jumps over a line.
• 1:23:23
  What is that? I can't remember this one.
• 1:23:28
  Oh yeah, yeah. See, he started.
• 1:23:30
  That shit, nobody was doing that man.
• 1:23:32
  Nobody was diving. He just, he just went off, man.
• 1:23:38
  He had a hell of a vertical. Leap man he he did.
• 1:23:41
  Absolutely. Like just insane.
• 1:23:46
  It's. Like you look at players in the.
• 1:23:47
  NFL now they won't even die for a pass.
• 1:23:49
  I don't want to get hurt. There's a couple passes.
• 1:23:51
  Dart through. If the receiver would have dove,
• 1:23:53
  they would have got it. You know, it's like, come on,
• 1:23:55
  man, and look at him. He's landing.
• 1:23:57
  On his head about Yeah, 30, yeah.
• 1:23:59
  It's like, right, It's just, it's, it's amazing.
• 1:24:06
  Like the dude was just look at that one.
• 1:24:08
  Wow, complete flip over the. Line.
• 1:24:11
  Yep. And then he gets up because he
• 1:24:14
  wasn't. On the ground, he still scores
• 1:24:15
  when you land on. That's the cool thing about some
• 1:24:18
  football players, man. When they get tackled, they
• 1:24:19
  realize they didn't land on the ground yet.
• 1:24:21
  They get up and they keep going. Yeah, they're having.
• 1:24:24
  A presence of. Mind to know that to realize
• 1:24:26
  your butt. Hit a shoe and not the turf.
• 1:24:28
  It is fascinating. And there's the fridge.
• 1:24:33
  The fridge leading the way certainly helped him for a lot
• 1:24:37
  of his stuff. Oh, here's one.
• 1:24:41
  Fight for every yard. OK, this is a good one.
• 1:24:44
  One of the greatest trap. Travesties in the NFL is he
• 1:24:47
  didn't score a touchdown in the Super Bowl.
• 1:24:49
  Yep, that. Should be on Ditka's Ditka's
• 1:24:51
  tombstone. You failed to let let Walter
• 1:24:54
  score. Yes, that's the what display the
• 1:24:57
  I like Ditka as a coach, don't know him as a human.
• 1:24:59
  We also, that was the one thing I'm like, dude, what are you
• 1:25:02
  fucking stupid, man? You got the 1.
• 1:25:04
  And I still, if Emma Smith would have retired when he was
• 1:25:07
  supposed to retire, he never would have caught Walter Payton,
• 1:25:11
  which I think is a travesty because Walter Payton just
• 1:25:14
  where's the stuff, man? Let's go.
• 1:25:17
  There we go. OK, He had that Dion high step.
• 1:25:22
  Dion took the high step from Walter Payton.
• 1:25:24
  I just realized that. Yep, No.
• 1:25:26
  Question. Jim McMahon handing the ball off
• 1:25:31
  there. Yep, Yep, I.
• 1:25:32
  Love Jim McMahon. I love the fact that he put
• 1:25:34
  those those headbands on that we're calling out.
• 1:25:37
  He was so. Right.
• 1:25:39
  That was, that was like, what are you going to do, find me and
• 1:25:41
  they'd find him. That was back in the day too,
• 1:25:43
  kids, that if you didn't, if you, if you didn't subscribe to
• 1:25:46
  the NFL uniform policy, you would get fined.
• 1:25:49
  So if you wore something that wasn't approved by the league,
• 1:25:52
  you would get fined. If you were.
• 1:25:54
  Remember, Heinz Ward was wearing pink cleats and he got fined
• 1:25:57
  every game for wearing pink cleats for in support of cancer
• 1:26:01
  awareness. And if you didn't?
• 1:26:03
  Play. You didn't get paid.
• 1:26:04
  There was no players union back then.
• 1:26:06
  Yeah, Nope. So these guys were to.
• 1:26:08
  Chris's point that he just said a minute ago they were all
• 1:26:11
  playing with concussions because if they didn't play, they didn't
• 1:26:14
  get paid. Yep.
• 1:26:17
  Yep, there's another strike on the horizon, too.
• 1:26:20
  I forget if it's the NFL or baseball.
• 1:26:24
  One of one of them. One of them.
• 1:26:25
  Was collective bargaining agreement is is about to expire.
• 1:26:28
  Somebody, somebody told me that the other day and I was like,
• 1:26:30
  oh, that's fun. It's just, you know, here he
• 1:26:34
  goes. Oh wow, that was crazy.
• 1:26:42
  He bounced off him backwards and kept running forward right.
• 1:26:47
  Right. Took me a second.
• 1:26:48
  To figure out. What was going on?
• 1:26:49
  Yeah, me. Too.
• 1:26:50
  It's like, what is that? Yeah.
• 1:26:56
  Just I mean, the dude was. A beast man like you know Cam.
• 1:26:59
  This is Cam scataboo for our generation.
• 1:27:01
  If he stays healthy long enough to continue doing this, he was
• 1:27:04
  so much fun. To watch play football, Yeah, I
• 1:27:07
  mean you. Just don't.
• 1:27:09
  You don't teach that. That's just ingrained in you.
• 1:27:12
  That's just you. Just that's just your
• 1:27:14
  willingness to do. Just.
• 1:27:16
  Punish other people. Well, we talk about.
• 1:27:19
  This a lot the sheer small percentage of population that
• 1:27:24
  ever gets the chance to play at that level.
• 1:27:27
  And then what is the percentage that wants the ball as bad as
• 1:27:32
  Walter Payton wanted the ball right?
• 1:27:34
  A. Lot of guys are happy to be.
• 1:27:36
  There, they're happy to be on the field.
• 1:27:37
  They don't really want to be the center of attention.
• 1:27:40
  If the game was on the line and it was down to we're going to
• 1:27:43
  fail or succeed, I want the ball.
• 1:27:46
  How many of those guys are there?
• 1:27:47
  Not many, and here's. Barry.
• 1:27:50
  Oh yeah, Barry Sanders. Yeah, I mean I, I.
• 1:27:53
  Mean, Emmitt Smith was a hell of a running back, but I, I still
• 1:27:56
  think it's it's Jim Brown, it's Walter Payton, it's Barry
• 1:27:58
  Sanders. I agree with you 100.
• 1:28:00
  Percent and then Emmitt. 'S in the.
• 1:28:02
  Conversation. Yeah, he's in top five.
• 1:28:04
  He's in top five. Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  It's it's Jim. Brown, Walter Payton, Earl
• 1:28:07
  Campbell, Barry Sanders, then Emmitt Smith and.
• 1:28:11
  I guess it's a great. Top five for running backs.
• 1:28:12
  So this is just these are these are Barry's top 50 plays.
• 1:28:18
  I mean you. Know you're lucky if you have
• 1:28:19
  10. Top plays in your career.
• 1:28:22
  This guy had Yeah, he's got 50 and there's.
• 1:28:24
  Probably 150 more, right? And that's the.
• 1:28:28
  One of the drawback with Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, the IT
• 1:28:31
  wasn't as as documented then as it is as it was when Barry was
• 1:28:35
  starting to play. Right?
• 1:28:37
  Yeah. I don't think people realized
• 1:28:39
  that there wasn't ATV crew at every single game back then.
• 1:28:43
  It was at whatever the game of the week was.
• 1:28:46
  That's the only place that it was being recorded.
• 1:28:48
  They weren't recording every game like they do now and then,
• 1:28:51
  yeah. And the cool thing about Barry,
• 1:28:53
  he was short, but he was so fast.
• 1:28:58
  And just the ability to break ankles.
• 1:29:01
  Like, and by breaking ankles, I mean that boys and girls, you,
• 1:29:03
  you move on a dime. And then that 25 stands there
• 1:29:06
  and watches you run past him. Yep.
• 1:29:09
  Oh. Mike Allstott.
• 1:29:10
  I just thought of Mike Allstott. We're going to talk about a full
• 1:29:12
  back, no question. Yeah, I don't know why that.
• 1:29:15
  Came to my head. It must have been the shoulder
• 1:29:17
  pad somebody's wearing. So this is the 40.
• 1:29:20
  Look at that. Look at.
• 1:29:21
  Still going. Three guys to get him down.
• 1:29:24
  Three guys exactly. Yeah.
• 1:29:27
  It's kind of like the one. One of the runs Scataboo had
• 1:29:29
  where he he hit #90 on the on the chiefs and broke his ribs
• 1:29:32
  and the guy just kind of slowly stumble sideways and falls.
• 1:29:37
  That's just, that's the ankle. Breaking thing, that's the,
• 1:29:39
  that's the thing that I want. I want running backs to do more.
• 1:29:42
  Just hit the hole and go. Yep.
• 1:29:44
  Like just you see the hole go, Don't, don't dance, don't wait.
• 1:29:48
  Just hit the hole and go. And that's just him running out.
• 1:29:51
  Yeah, he just outran everybody. Right through there, right?
• 1:29:56
  Took him 40-5 yards. To catch him.
• 1:29:59
  Yeah, well, it's kind of like that, remember?
• 1:30:01
  That DK Metcalf play when he was on the on the Seahawks and and
• 1:30:05
  Russell Wilson got picked off and he he angled down the field
• 1:30:08
  and caught up with the intercepting defender.
• 1:30:10
  The guy who intercepted the pass like at the four yard line.
• 1:30:13
  I'll guess the Giants. Great show the Giants get him,
• 1:30:16
  get him, get him too late. I guess he was like a beast.
• 1:30:22
  Yeah. He was a beast.
• 1:30:25
  Game changer man if. And it just sucks he was on such
• 1:30:28
  a mediocre team. Not, not, not.
• 1:30:31
  That's giving him credit. Not even mediocre.
• 1:30:34
  They were horrible. Yeah, but.
• 1:30:36
  Just And he stayed there, stayed there.
• 1:30:39
  He didn't want traded. He didn't.
• 1:30:41
  Well, people did that back. Then that was it, wasn't it?
• 1:30:44
  Was frowned upon to be traded, right?
• 1:30:49
  Like you were just going to say you were.
• 1:30:50
  Respected for your lawyer? Yeah, you.
• 1:30:52
  Just you just had a contract. You signed it.
• 1:30:54
  That was it, man. You just, you didn't renegotiate
• 1:30:57
  that shit. You didn't hold out.
• 1:30:59
  You, you just, you played the game you were paid to play.
• 1:31:02
  It's a contract that you just, it's, you know, I mean, look at
• 1:31:04
  this. If he was on the, if he was on a
• 1:31:07
  success, if he was on the Steelers, dude had 6 Super Bowl
• 1:31:10
  rings. Oh, for sure, you know, and he
• 1:31:13
  was already a Hall of Famer just because of his speed.
• 1:31:16
  It's just it sucks he never. Got a ring if anybody was more
• 1:31:19
  deserving of a ring. I mean just for the effort he
• 1:31:21
  put on the field game after game.
• 1:31:22
  Look at that shit dude. You know who else is like?
• 1:31:24
  That that played for the Lions is.
• 1:31:28
  The Hall of Famer wide. Receiver he never won a Oh yeah,
• 1:31:31
  Oh yeah, he. Changed the game as well.
• 1:31:33
  Yeah. Herman Moore, Megatron.
• 1:31:35
  Megatron. OK, Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  Megatron. Now I think of Herman Moore, but
• 1:31:38
  Megatron? Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  Calvin Johnson. Yep.
• 1:31:43
  There would be no. One handed catches and acrobatic
• 1:31:47
  shit. Megatron definitely changed the
• 1:31:49
  game for sure. Those teams were horrible as
• 1:31:52
  well. But there's another Hall of
• 1:31:53
  Famer everybody gives. The the.
• 1:31:57
  Beckham. The credit for the one hand
• 1:31:58
  catching that just made it popular because it was on a
• 1:32:01
  Sunday night game and the entire world was watching.
• 1:32:04
  Yeah, a lot of that acrobatic. Shit happened long before that.
• 1:32:09
  Calvin Johnson started. That Yep.
• 1:32:13
  Who was the other guy you just said?
• 1:32:14
  Herman Moore. Herman Moore.
• 1:32:15
  Yep. Randy.
• 1:32:16
  Randy Moss. Oh, Randy Moss.
• 1:32:18
  For sure. There's a reason, ESPN says.
• 1:32:22
  You got. Mossed, right?
• 1:32:23
  And Beckham did. That shit in in college, like
• 1:32:25
  you didn't realize it didn't college till after he did it in
• 1:32:28
  that Cowboys game and then they start showing his college
• 1:32:31
  highlights. It's like OK, this guy's done
• 1:32:32
  this for years. Sure.
• 1:32:34
  You know, and now it's just. Now it's commonplace receivers
• 1:32:37
  practice catching strange balls with one hand.
• 1:32:39
  Look at that dude. Just a a a toss.
• 1:32:43
  That probably had a 10. Percent chance of success.
• 1:32:46
  Barry takes it all the way down to what the the 9 yard line.
• 1:32:49
  But you know what from the? Moment he took that ball, he
• 1:32:51
  knew exactly what he was going to do when he executed, right?
• 1:32:55
  Right. He just outran everybody, yeah.
• 1:32:57
  Yeah, he also probably leads, leads the NFL history of, of
• 1:33:00
  plays lost of of yards lost because he there's lots of times
• 1:33:03
  he got stuffed in the backfield because again, the Lions sucked.
• 1:33:07
  Yeah, they they had. No offensive line.
• 1:33:09
  Back then, for sure, yeah. So it wasn't uncommon for him to
• 1:33:13
  have, you know, 130 yards in the third quarter, and then by the
• 1:33:16
  fourth quarter he had, you know, 110.
• 1:33:21
  You know, true story. You know, but look at that.
• 1:33:23
  Just a different gear man. Just.
• 1:33:28
  It's sad they don't make football.
• 1:33:29
  Players like that anymore because everybody's just, you
• 1:33:31
  know, well, it's a different game.
• 1:33:33
  It is a different game. You know, and you play, you
• 1:33:35
  don't play with you have a bruise anymore.
• 1:33:37
  You have to sit out because about for a confusion of my
• 1:33:39
  inner thigh. So you bruised your.
• 1:33:43
  Thigh. Yes, it is.
• 1:33:44
  I can't run because it's. I got a confusion.
• 1:33:46
  A confusion right there. My pinky toe is inflamed.
• 1:33:50
  Right. Like OK.
• 1:33:51
  Wrap it with an ace bandage. Take some time.
• 1:33:53
  I'll get your ass out there. That that any given Sunday
• 1:33:56
  question with Al Pacino, when he's coaching, are you injured
• 1:33:59
  or are you hurt? Because if you're injured, you
• 1:34:02
  can't play, but if you're hurt, you can.
• 1:34:04
  I'm hurt, coach. Get your ass back in there.
• 1:34:06
  There's a difference. That.
• 1:34:08
  That right? There was the epitome of ankle
• 1:34:11
  breaking. He broke like 4 ankles in that.
• 1:34:19
  And see, that's just hitting the hole and.
• 1:34:20
  Going a tiny little hole and you hit it and go the field, the
• 1:34:23
  vision that he had on the field just.
• 1:34:27
  Insane. Which is why he gained.
• 1:34:29
  So many yards after he hit the line of scrimmage.
• 1:34:34
  His yards after the. Line of scrimmage have to be way
• 1:34:37
  up there, like in the top five ever, yeah.
• 1:34:40
  Have to be. Look at that, yeah.
• 1:34:44
  He should have been tackled at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:34:47
  Yeah, now he's 40 yards down. That was a horse collar too.
• 1:34:49
  Nowadays that's a horse collar back then and so we just a
• 1:34:52
  tackle. This is back in the day where
• 1:34:55
  you could. Face mask.
• 1:34:56
  Unless your helmet came off, you didn't get a penalty for face
• 1:34:58
  masking. Which is so dangerous.
• 1:35:03
  Oh yeah. It's a it's a wonder more.
• 1:35:04
  People weren't paralyzed. Well, they played with reckless.
• 1:35:08
  Abandoned and they all played, you know, at a high level.
• 1:35:11
  So I think but see back then too, right, you had pre season
• 1:35:14
  where you actually hit and you had full pad practices and you
• 1:35:18
  had hitting drills and tackling drills and all that kind of
• 1:35:20
  shit. 2A days. So by the time he got to the 14
• 1:35:23
  game season you'd already spent four weeks getting your ass
• 1:35:26
  beat. So you actually were in football
• 1:35:29
  shape to get hit and deliver punishment, right?
• 1:35:33
  Just like that, that was an ankle.
• 1:35:34
  Breaker. That was a perfect example of an
• 1:35:36
  ankle breaker. Yeah, he should have been down,
• 1:35:38
  right. Right.
• 1:35:39
  Yeah. Because that he was he.
• 1:35:41
  Yeah, you. Couldn't tackle Berry with.
• 1:35:43
  Your arms. If you tried to tackle Berry
• 1:35:45
  with your arms, you were not going to be successful.
• 1:35:48
  Right there, he should have been.
• 1:35:49
  Tackled at midfield, he did a 360 pair of wet and ran in for a
• 1:35:52
  touchdown. Yep, and that was him just.
• 1:35:55
  Breaking through a hole. And gone.
• 1:35:58
  Again, see you. Yep.
• 1:36:04
  And don't we don't know we. Don't know him from anything but
• 1:36:07
  from Wow. From everything I've ever seen
• 1:36:09
  him talk, he seems like a very humble.
• 1:36:13
  Just down to earth. Gracious human being who does a
• 1:36:15
  lot of things behind the scenes that people don't see from a
• 1:36:18
  philanthropic standpoint. Look at.
• 1:36:20
  That see. You behind the referee, he was
• 1:36:24
  behind. The referee.
• 1:36:26
  We know. That's why they called Walter
• 1:36:27
  Payton sweetness, because yeah, look at.
• 1:36:30
  That, that was amazing. One of the nicest people.
• 1:36:32
  You'd ever want to meet? That was an amazing.
• 1:36:35
  Right there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:37
  Walter And when you hear Walter. Payton talk.
• 1:36:38
  If you if you had your eyes closed and you heard Walter
• 1:36:41
  Payton talking, no way in hell you thought that was Walter
• 1:36:42
  Payton. No way in hell.
• 1:36:44
  He was such a very soft spoken, gentle human that you just out
• 1:36:50
  there playing with those. Animals.
• 1:36:51
  Yep, look at that. One, that there's no reason he
• 1:36:55
  should have gotten out of that. Did you see what?
• 1:36:57
  He just did out of that. That was insane.
• 1:37:00
  Though can run the top 2 now against the Patriots.
• 1:37:03
  Well, what he did in that? Last play is he became, he
• 1:37:06
  became the defense. He actually tackled the two guys
• 1:37:09
  who were trying to tackle him and kept her on it.
• 1:37:11
  OK, they're going to come up with the.
• 1:37:12
  Best play ever for him that was that's an ankle breaker right
• 1:37:15
  there. OK, number one all time Barry
• 1:37:17
  Sanders play against the Cowboys, which is great.
• 1:37:20
  OK, OK. You.
• 1:37:22
  Have got to kidding me dude. Wow, the what?
• 1:37:26
  2/3 of the defense were surrounding him?
• 1:37:28
  Here it is. You literally have two.
• 1:37:32
  Thirds of the defense, Yeah. Holy.
• 1:37:34
  Shit, man, it's just gone. Ladies and gentlemen, that's
• 1:37:40
  Barry Sanders. Mr. Barry Sanders.
• 1:37:43
  Go go Google Barry Sanders. Do yourself.
• 1:37:45
  Do yourself some justice. Man.
• 1:37:48
  That was fantastic. That's awesome.
• 1:37:50
  That's fantastic. All right.
• 1:37:52
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• 1:38:16
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• 1:38:31
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• 1:39:05
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• 1:39:20
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• 1:39:22
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• 1:39:30
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• 1:40:21
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• 1:40:54
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• 1:41:01
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• 1:41:05
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• 1:41:09
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• 1:41:14
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• 1:41:19
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• 1:41:26
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• 1:41:33
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• 1:41:43
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• 1:41:47
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• 1:41:48
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