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- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
- 0:16Racing to the moon, NASCAR in space.
- 0:19By Dr.
- 0:20Mark D Howell.
- 0:22Mark Howell has been involved with motor sports his entire life.
- 0:25As a teenager, he tagged along with the NASCAR modified pit crew of Brett
- 0:29Bodine, who raced out of Howell's hometown of Dallas, Pennsylvania.
- 0:33He earned a bachelor's of arts and a master's of arts from Penn state
- 0:37and a PhD in American culture studies from Bowling Green State University.
- 0:41His dissertation evolved from Moonshine to Madison Avenue, a cultural history
- 0:46of the NASCAR Winston Cup series published by the Popular Press,
- 0:49University of Wisconsin Press in 1997.
- 0:52Howell is professor of communications at Northwestern
- 0:54Michigan College in Traverse City.
- 0:56He lives with his wife and son and two dogs in the village of
- 1:00Sutton's Bay on Lake Michigan.
- 1:02This presentation examines the 2023 alliance between Leidos, the
- 1:06international high tech engineering firm, And NASCAR to build a next
- 1:11generation lunar roving vehicle.
- 1:14The paper looks at the adaptation of motorsports culture by the aerospace
- 1:18industry as space exploration grows more privatized and commercialized.
- 1:23Additionally, the presentation looks at the history of NASA's LRV program
- 1:27and how astronauts saw their rovers through the context of automobile racing.
- 1:32Both Leidos, Dynetics, and NASCAR are relying on particular language,
- 1:36imagery, and historic legacies to justify their partnership while
- 1:40trying to earn NASA's new LRV contract by the end of November 2023.
- 1:46Our next presenter, good friend of mine for many years now, Professor
- 1:50Mark Powell, is going to talk about something that got my attention,
- 1:55racing to the moon, NASCAR in space.
- 1:58Mark, it's yours.
- 2:00This is part of a project that's been ongoing and it's started off as
- 2:04kind of a vanity project because I grew up following the space program
- 2:08like everybody else wanting to be an astronaut and then realizing I just
- 2:11didn't have the right stuff as they say.
- 2:14I have applied to be an astronaut but I was turned down.
- 2:17But then my interest in motorsports and growing up around motorsports.
- 2:20I saw a connection between the manned space program And motor racing.
- 2:25I started doing some research, that was probably five or six years ago.
- 2:29This thing is really kind of, as I said, taking a life of its own.
- 2:32With that, we will get into this.
- 2:34I've got some video, so bear with me.
- 2:36I've got just a few couple of minute clips that we can look at.
- 2:41My mother, Virginia, loved three things.
- 2:44Her family, naturally, NASCAR competition, she was a huge NASCAR fan, and the
- 2:51music of Vaughn Monroe, the band leader with a baritone voice and a catalog
- 2:56of hit recordings that included the famous 1941 tune, Racing with the Moon.
- 3:03Little did anyone guess that at some point, stock cars and
- 3:07this World War II era song would collide in a form of corporate and
- 3:13technological connection in 2023.
- 3:17It was this past April when Leidos, a Virginia based high tech engineering and
- 3:24design firm serving the defense, health, and intelligence sectors, announced
- 3:29its technical affiliation with NASCAR.
- 3:33A statement coming just as the sanctioning body began celebrating
- 3:36its 75th anniversary in sports.
- 3:39Their partnership ultimately resulted in a next gen Lunar Terrain Vehicle,
- 3:45or LTV, for NASA's return to the moon.
- 3:49through its impending Artemis program.
- 3:52The Leidos NASCAR LTV debuted in Colorado at the Space
- 3:57Foundation's 38th Space Symposium.
- 4:01And this is a clip from the unveiling.
- 4:04Hi everybody, I'm Jonathan Pettis, Senior Vice President for Aerospace,
- 4:09Civil, and Defense at Leidos.
- 4:12And again, thank you all for being here, and thanks to Pete for being here.
- 4:15We're super excited.
- 4:17About this partnership.
- 4:18I think the goals and the themes and the emphasis areas that NASCAR has
- 4:22for the future are shared greatly with what NASA is pursuing and what one of
- 4:26the reasons we're so proud to partner with NASA on the Artemis program.
- 4:30And as you have a chance during the next couple of days to visit our
- 4:33booth, you'll see a wide variety of things we're doing in the space.
- 4:36world, but obviously several different roles in the Artemis campaign.
- 4:40We couldn't be more proud to be part of that.
- 4:42From the NASCAR partnership perspective, their deep experience and capability
- 4:47in developing high performance vehicles in harsh environments is something
- 4:52that obviously can help us a great deal as we engineer this vehicle.
- 4:56And so we're looking forward to tapping into that talent.
- 4:59For example, the most recent effort they've had in designing
- 5:02their next June race car.
- 5:03If you look at some of the principles that they use to develop that new
- 5:07vehicle, they're shared with some of the criteria and principles that NASA needs
- 5:11for a sustainable lunar terrain vehicle.
- 5:15In terms of the focus on fast and agile maintenance, agile replacement of
- 5:21parts, designing for maintainability, who could be better at that problem?
- 5:27Then an organization that has to focus on high speed maintenance and pit stops.
- 5:31And so taking that innovation and their experience in that we think
- 5:35is really important to how we want to approach this problem again to
- 5:39develop a safe and sustainable vehicle.
- 5:43And then finally NASCAR.
- 5:45is very good at connecting sponsors, and we are excited about what that
- 5:50may mean in terms of our commercial plans for the future and how
- 5:55we can leverage their expertise relative to our commercial pursuits.
- 6:00We think there's a lot of opportunity there, and so
- 6:02we're super excited about that.
- 6:03So without further ado, I think we have Steve and Pete in pole position.
- 6:09So, ladies and gentlemen, I have introduced to you the Leidos
- 6:14NASCAR Lunar Terrain Vehicle.
- 6:15Leidos
- 6:28sought out NASCAR in part, as you heard, because of the organization's
- 6:32development and implementation of its next gen Cup Series race car.
- 6:37This version of stock car It's been in use since 2022, and it continues the
- 6:42tradition of NASCAR's somewhat creative interpretation of the term stock.
- 6:47The next gen, or Gen 7 car, is what you might call a spec vehicle.
- 6:53Cars are built according to a rigid set of guidelines using specially
- 6:57manufactured components sold to teams by NASCAR approved companies.
- 7:03Using standardized parts and pieces registered with an official UPC is
- 7:09intended, theoretically at least, to lower costs and eliminate advantages
- 7:14enjoyed by better equipped teams.
- 7:18Next gen cars use chassis built by a single supplier.
- 7:22With standardized front and rear clips for consistency,
- 7:26ease of replacement, and safety.
- 7:29We saw this system in operation last season when NASCAR re engineered rear
- 7:34clips after Alex Bowman and Kurt Busch were both injured in rear end collisions
- 7:40when impact energy was transferred into the cockpits of their cars.
- 7:45So much to the point that Busch actually had to retire from
- 7:47competition because of his injuries.
- 7:50The Next Gen Cup Series cars also run composite body panels that are
- 7:54easier to use, easier to maintain, and more difficult to massage, shall
- 8:00we say, into an advantageous shape.
- 8:03A forward thinking feature of the Next Gen Cup car is its ability
- 8:07to accommodate hybrid technology.
- 8:09The car runs on 18 inch wheels that allow not only for larger
- 8:13brakes, but for the addition of regenerative equipment as well.
- 8:18As the automobile industry looks to both hybrid and fully electric
- 8:22vehicles, so too does NASCAR.
- 8:25Given its emphasis on consistent components and energy conservation, maybe
- 8:31it's no wonder that a cutting edge systems development firm like Leidos came calling.
- 8:36Leidos Dianetics, the aerospace division of Leidos, also forged relationships
- 8:41with recognized motor racing entities like Roush Industries and Moog
- 8:46Suspension Components, both of which have long standing ties to NASCAR.
- 8:51A key element of these partnerships is NASCAR's ability to develop, quote,
- 8:57high performance vehicles for harsh environments, as you heard the Leidos
- 9:02executives say in the press conference.
- 9:05A far more interesting notion, however, is NASCAR's ability to attract
- 9:10corporate and industry sponsors.
- 9:12You also heard that comment made.
- 9:14Especially as modern space exploration becomes privatized and commercialized.
- 9:19Leidos was founded in 1969 and today is a Fortune 500 company boasting
- 9:25a little over 46, 000 employees.
- 9:27The firm began as Science Applications Incorporated.
- 9:31With initial clients like Los Alamos National Laboratory and
- 9:36the Air Force Weapons Laboratory.
- 9:39SAI supervised the cleanup at Three Mile Island in 1979.
- 9:44I went to graduate school right across the river from Three Mile Island.
- 9:48You could see it from the parking lot at the college when you were...
- 9:52And the company also helped engineer the boat Stars and Stripes to
- 9:56victory in the America's Cup in 1987.
- 10:00In 2013, SAI split into a next generation of sorts of SAI
- 10:07and a new firm called Leidos.
- 10:11Leidos fosters a corporate culture of diversity, equality,
- 10:14and inclusion, or DEI.
- 10:16The company became a primary sponsor of Bubba Wallace's No.
- 10:2023 Fast Car Cup Series Toyota Camry in 2022.
- 10:26In the words of Leidos CEO Roger Krohn, and I quote, Bubba's efforts have
- 10:31paved the way for real change while advancing a culture of inclusion and
- 10:35diversity in NASCAR and across the world.
- 10:38We see this as much more than a sponsorship.
- 10:41It's an opportunity to showcase our shared values.
- 10:45We are proud to have Bubba Wallace representing Leidos.
- 10:48Both on and off the track.
- 10:51Bubba Wallace represented Leidos in April at the unveiling of its prototype Lunar
- 10:56Terrain Vehicle, a project seeking a NASA contract for the Artemis program.
- 11:02The Artemis program is a good match for Leidos, given the program's attention
- 11:07to DEI initiatives and guidelines.
- 11:10The first Lunar Orbital Mission, which is scheduled for 2025, will
- 11:15carry both a female astronaut and an astronaut of color.
- 11:20The same demographic NASA wants when astronauts return to the
- 11:24Moon's surface in the years to come.
- 11:27Accommodating the size of a female astronaut was part of Leidos
- 11:31initial LTV planning, but other factors were considered as well.
- 11:35Those other factors were where NASCAR came in.
- 11:38Leidos considered NASCAR given the organization's 75 year history
- 11:43of innovation and adaptability to all manner of extreme situations.
- 11:47Now, granted, a Sunday afternoon at Martinsville or Michigan...
- 11:51isn't nearly as challenging on a vehicle as a Sunday afternoon on the moon, but the
- 11:56folks at Leidos weren't about to quibble.
- 11:59Partnering with NASCAR during its Diamond Jubilee is about more
- 12:03than just winning a NASA contract.
- 12:06The partnership between Leidos and NASCAR is a most interesting affiliation.
- 12:10While Leidos recognizes NASCAR for its innovative approach to Cup Series
- 12:15racing, NASCAR recognizes Leidos as a corporate entity backing not only the
- 12:21sports foray into interesting new markets like the Chicago Street Race, but also
- 12:27a team co owned by perhaps the greatest basketball player in the game's history.
- 12:33Michael Jordan, by the way, if you didn't know.
- 12:34What Leidos and NASCAR provide are not only new opportunities in motorsports,
- 12:40but also technological opportunities that harken back to the days of the Cold War.
- 12:46America's space race with the Russians got off to a rough start in the
- 12:50early 1960s, but Uncle Sam got her dialed in by the end of the decade.
- 12:56When Apollo 8 reached lunar orbit in 1968, and when Apollo 11 reached the
- 13:02moon's surface in 1969, the race was over.
- 13:06Those successes, ironically, led to the demise of future Apollo missions.
- 13:12With only six lunar flights remaining on what became a reduced schedule,
- 13:17NASA had to work smarter, not harder.
- 13:20Say hello to the Lunar Roving Vehicle, the most technologically
- 13:24interesting and aesthetically pragmatic machine ever built.
- 13:28General Motors teamed with Boeing and Goodyear To develop the golf cart sized,
- 13:34all electric, all wheel drive, two seater, with both front and rear steering, just
- 13:40like a monster truck, capable of hauling about a thousand pounds at six miles
- 13:46an hour, a total distance of 40 miles.
- 13:49Made from aluminum, fiberglass, and kapton for thermal protection, and with
- 13:55wheels fashioned from flexible woven wire mesh, the LRV folded to fit in
- 14:02the descent stage of the lunar module.
- 14:05The vehicle could be unloaded and assembled by two astronauts in one sixth
- 14:10Earth's gravity in about ten minutes.
- 14:13The LRVs on Apollo 15, 16, and 17 The LRVs enabled astronauts to explore
- 14:20terrain far away from their lunar modules.
- 14:23The LRVs also enabled astronauts to explore their
- 14:27innermost competitive natures.
- 14:30Mission commanders who began as military test pilots cut from the same
- 14:35genetic cloth as race car drivers.
- 14:37pushed these moon buggies to their mechanical limits.
- 14:40Apollo 15's Dave Scott drove the first Grand Prix, as it was called,
- 14:46and reached a top speed of 6 miles an hour before the rear wheels lost
- 14:51traction and his LRV started to slide.
- 14:54John Young, commander of Apollo 16, reached about six miles an hour
- 14:59as well before his rear wheels, likewise, lost grip and slid.
- 15:05And here is NASA footage of John Young doing his Grand Prix.
- 15:10In 1972.
- 15:12Okay, I'm ready.
- 15:14I'm not gonna
- 16:10go the other way.
- 16:29Okay.
- 16:29Here is Sharpie.
- 16:30Yeah,
- 16:41that sounds good.
- 16:42That sounds like we've probably got enough.
- 17:04Charlie Duke, who you heard narrating the Grand Prix there.
- 17:07Also, on a couple of occasions enthusiastically compared John Young
- 17:11to racing legend Barney Ofield, making two distinct references to America's
- 17:16Speed King during recorded EVA communications with flight controllers.
- 17:23At one point, actually, they didn't know who he was talking about, so
- 17:26then he had to explain, in kind of an aside, who Barney Oldfield was.
- 17:30And once he explained it, then everything was okay.
- 17:33During Apollo 17, Commander Gene Cernan did what any truly competitive
- 17:39racer would do, and simply reinterpreted the rules of the event.
- 17:43His Grand Prix resulted in a top speed of 11.
- 17:472 miles per hour, but only because he ran a downhill route.
- 17:52Cernan's LRV record has stood for more than 50 years.
- 17:57But who's to say the 2023 Leidos NASCAR LTV won't shatter Cernan's 1972 mark?
- 18:04Preliminary data suggests the new vehicle will have a top speed of 9.
- 18:083 mph and a gradeability of more than 20 degrees.
- 18:14Add a female astronaut and a downhill route, and it's likely
- 18:18NASCAR will be truly renowned for what it brought to the project.
- 18:22A competitive focus based on next gen inspired design principles, like
- 18:28fast and agile maintenance that are also useful for a lunar rover, as we
- 18:33heard during the press conference.
- 18:36An old school NASCAR mindset was necessary when it came to fast and
- 18:40agile maintenance on the Apollo LRVs.
- 18:43On Apollo 17, an errant rock hammer broke the right rear fender.
- 18:48causing thick clouds of moon dust to cover the astronauts and all
- 18:52of their sensitive equipment.
- 18:54Gene Cernan made a quick repair using lunar maps, duct tape, and
- 18:59clamps, building a replacement fender, and earning himself
- 19:03lifetime membership in the Auto Body Association of America in the process.
- 19:09We used to see spur of the moment, seat of the pants problem solving
- 19:13like this in NASCAR all the time.
- 19:15But the standardized and compartmentalized nature of the next gen cup car has
- 19:20turned creative thinking into more of a remove and replace reality.
- 19:27Despite all of this, Leidos still waxes romantically about the NASCAR of old.
- 19:33Here's a video the company released recently on YouTube.
- 20:22President Kennedy, in a speech at Rice University, committed the United States
- 20:26to being the first nation to put a man...
- 20:34Not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
- 20:37Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best
- 20:42of our energies and skills.
- 20:44Because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept,
- 20:47and one we intend to win.
- 20:53Ignition sequence starts.
- 20:55Three, two, one.
- 20:58We have a liftoff.
- 21:00Throughout our history, we move forward.
- 21:04From advancements in engineering, to pushing the limits of what
- 21:09we once deemed impossible.
- 21:12Forward isn't just our trajectory.
- 21:15It's the whole point.
- 21:16Keep running, flat out!
- 21:18That's the, the Eagle has landed.
- 21:19Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!
- 21:21We are the champions, yes!
- 21:23We choose to move forward.
- 21:26Not because it's easy, but because it's hard.
- 21:30From breaking the barriers of space.
- 21:33To shattering glass ceilings for those whose guts and determination move us
- 21:38past our limits to unimagined heights.
- 21:43Our history is one of innovation and ingenuity.
- 21:51After all, always forward has no limits.
- 21:59Any questions?
- 22:04Alright, let me leave you with this.
- 22:05We do this.
- 22:10We choose to go to the moon.
- 22:11Not because it's easy.
- 22:14Because it's hard.
- 22:24Okay, I'm just gonna do a little editorial aside here.
- 22:27If you'll notice, under diversity and equality, they show a
- 22:31picture of Danica Patrick.
- 22:33To me, if I were on the creative team, I would have had footage of Janet Guthrie,
- 22:38because Janet Guthrie was actually an aerospace engineer, and actually knew her
- 22:43way around the inner workings of a car.
- 22:45And she was a woman.
- 22:47Danica Patrick, I think now she just does podcasts that are
- 22:49like conspiracy theory things.
- 22:52I don't know, just an editorial aside there.
- 22:55I will move on now.
- 22:57The relationship Leidos has developed with NASCAR is two fold.
- 23:01One aspect of the partnership focuses on more recent NASCAR innovations.
- 23:06Not just the next gen car, but also this past summer's Garage 56 NASCAR by
- 23:12way of IMSA project we saw at Le Mans.
- 23:16The other aspect celebrates NASCAR's sociocultural and almost mythic connection
- 23:22to American automobile history, seen here in Kyle Busch's Toyota Camry.
- 23:28Lido sees NASCAR as a celebration of grassroots ingenuity and what we
- 23:32cultural historians often refer to as rugged determination or individualism.
- 23:39Achieving success according to your dreams, your goals, and your work ethic.
- 23:46As I see it, Leidos is relying on particularly strategic language and
- 23:51particularly specific historical narratives, including President Kennedy's
- 23:551962 speech at Rice University, to validate its technical and professional
- 24:02affiliation with NASCAR while trying to earn NASA's contractual approval.
- 24:08The Artemis LTV competition is down to a handful of aerospace automotive
- 24:13affiliations, including partnerships between Lockheed Martin and General
- 24:18Motors, Teledyne, Toyota, and Bridgestone, and Northrop Grumman with Michelin.
- 24:25Since NASCAR hopes to award the LTV contract to its chosen recipient, By
- 24:31the end of this month, NASCAR finds itself squarely in the middle of a
- 24:36closely watched, competitive, and entirely next gen race to the moon.
- 24:43And with that, I'll take whatever questions folks might have.
- 24:47What happened to the vehicles?
- 24:49Are they still on the moon?
- 24:50And are they workable, or?
- 24:53There are three still on the moon, Apollo 15, 16, and 17.
- 24:57They left those vehicles behind.
- 24:59Conditions on the moon are very difficult.
- 25:01What people say is that the American flags that were left
- 25:04behind probably don't exist.
- 25:06If they are there, they're bleached to almost transparent
- 25:09because of the solar radiation.
- 25:11These vehicles might still be runnable.
- 25:13I mean, they were battery powered.
- 25:14They didn't exhaust the batteries at all.
- 25:17They only ran them limited miles.
- 25:19So, there's a possibility if you got there, they would still run.
- 25:22But they are located at different points where the astronauts left them.
- 25:26There was a fourth vehicle built that was essentially used
- 25:30for sort of archival purposes.
- 25:33And for testing on Earth.
- 25:35GM and Boeing built what they called a 1G version.
- 25:39It was essentially a Earth bound version.
- 25:41It had Goodyear tires on it.
- 25:43It was the exact same vehicle, ran on batteries, had the front and rear
- 25:47steering that the astronauts would use for training purposes on Earth.
- 25:51So they could learn how to negotiate rugged terrain and
- 25:54hills and things like that.
- 25:56A couple of those test vehicles are still around.
- 25:58But the originals are still on the lunar surface.
- 26:02Mark, I thought the video was fascinating.
- 26:04Really slick, a kind of techno patriotism with a good old boy spin.
- 26:09Who's the intended audience?
- 26:11Is this a tool to influence the decision making that you mentioned,
- 26:15or is there some larger audience?
- 26:17I think that's twofold in and of itself.
- 26:20The key here that Leidos isn't really playing up is the
- 26:24corporate sponsorship connection.
- 26:26One of their main reasons for signing on with NASCAR was, yeah, NASCAR's got
- 26:31technology and it's got innovation and all that kind of stuff, but it also
- 26:35has that strong corporate connection.
- 26:37It's what we've seen in NASCAR forever.
- 26:39NASCAR sells products.
- 26:41Lytos sees NASCAR as being sort of a money magnet and getting
- 26:46that kind of commercial input.
- 26:48Especially, as I said, the space program now is becoming much more
- 26:51commercialized and privatized.
- 26:53If you're going to compete against the Jeff Bezos's and the Elon Musks.
- 26:58You're going to have to have a sugar daddy who's paying some of the
- 27:01bills and the federal government's not going to be able to do it.
- 27:03So there's that idea.
- 27:05But yeah, the video is very interesting.
- 27:06And this is actually the second one they produced.
- 27:09They produced one right about the time of the debut.
- 27:12I actually tried to find that one because that one was
- 27:15laden with historical footage.
- 27:18You know, they showed pictures of Neil Armstrong and they showed pictures of the
- 27:22Saturn five, but then it was juxtaposed.
- 27:25with the next gen car.
- 27:26There was really no historical quotient.
- 27:29It was just the next gen car and Apollo footage.
- 27:33Now they've kind of backed off and they're doing that whole sort of nostalgic thing.
- 27:37The shade tree mechanic, the race car that's built in a
- 27:40shed out behind the house.
- 27:42And then tying it in to all of that sort of cold war.
- 27:46And notice that you don't see anything about NASA other than the moon program.
- 27:49Because that's the key here.
- 27:51This vehicle is all about getting the contract to go to the moon.
- 27:54Very, very highly sort of socio political, technical kind of.
- 28:00Mark, you talk about the commercialization business.
- 28:04General Motors provided Corvettes to the first astronauts, correct?
- 28:09Yep.
- 28:09And as a PR stunt, and some of the astronauts became race drivers.
- 28:14I think of Pete Conrad, he raced here in the Toyota Celebrity Race once.
- 28:18I remember Pete came here to try to qualify for the six hour race.
- 28:22Just fell short.
- 28:23He didn't make it.
- 28:24His time was too slow.
- 28:26But yeah, I mean, there is this GM connection.
- 28:29And GM was a principal player in the original Lunar Roving Vehicle.
- 28:33It's interesting that GM is now working with Lockheed Martin.
- 28:37So they've separated themselves.
- 28:39It's kind of like Ben there done that.
- 28:41Lydos really jumped in here when they said that they partnered with NASCAR.
- 28:45I mean, I could see a company like Lydos partnering with,
- 28:48let's say, a Formula One team.
- 28:50Because if you're talking technology and cutting edge sort
- 28:53of development, yeah, there you go.
- 28:56But to be sort of saying, well, because of the next gen car, and this whole idea
- 29:00of quick maintenance and durability, I can guarantee you if something breaks on this
- 29:06new lunar roving vehicle, The astronauts, they're not gonna put it on the crash
- 29:10clock and try to repair the thing.
- 29:12If it stops working, if they can't get it going again, they're just gonna ditch it.
- 29:16The Apollo 15 mission almost did that.
- 29:18Dave Scott and Jim Irwin unloaded the lunar rover.
- 29:22They unfolded it, got it together.
- 29:24They hooked the batteries up and they couldn't get voltage.
- 29:27They couldn't get a reading that there was any power in the batteries.
- 29:30It took them sort of talking with engineers in Houston.
- 29:34To make adjustments and, you know, switch wires and do this kind of thing.
- 29:39And they eventually got it working.
- 29:40But again, it's that whole sort of mythic notion.
- 29:43You know, well, NASCAR is all about bare bond and duct tape and chewing gum.
- 29:47And that's what gets cars back out there.
- 29:50And you can still win races.
- 29:51Dale Earnhardt just about totaled a car.
- 29:53They brought it in.
- 29:55And he went back out and was competitive.
- 29:57And we'll see how this contract goes.
- 29:59Because they may not even get the contract.
- 30:02It's quite possible that this will fall through.
- 30:04But it's an interesting campaign.
- 30:06Thank you, Mark.
- 30:07I don't know how you do it, but you keep copying your previous one.
- 30:10That, that's amazing.
- 30:14Thank you.
- 30:15Thank you, Mark.
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