Latest / Booked On Rock with Eric Senich / Emerson, Lake & Palmer: A History Told by the Fans [Episode 352]
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Emerson Lincoln Palmer were never just a band. They were
- 0:03Speaker 1: a lightning rod. Loved, debated, and often misunderstood. ELP pushed
- 0:08Speaker 1: rock to its limits with ambition and virtuosity. But this
- 0:11Speaker 1: isn't their story as told by critics or the charts.
- 0:14Speaker 1: This is the story of Emerson, Lake and Palmer told
- 0:17Speaker 1: by the fans who felt it.
- 0:19Speaker 2: We're totally rock and roll. I mean, I leave you
- 0:24Speaker 2: you're reading little hands this. It's time to rock and roll,
- 0:27Speaker 2: Roll up, I totally booked.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Welcome back to book dot Rock the podcast for those
- 0:36Speaker 1: about to read and rock Americ Senach and we have
- 0:39Speaker 1: a first time guest on the show. Bruce Peg is
- 0:41Speaker 1: the author of Welcome Back My Friends, of People's history
- 0:45Speaker 1: of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Bruce, thanks so much for
- 0:48Speaker 1: coming on the show.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Oh thanks for having me. Eric appreciate it.
- 0:51Speaker 1: This book has a forward by Karl Palmer, a surviving
- 0:54Speaker 1: member of the band. Also contributions from Ian Anderson of
- 0:57Speaker 1: Jeff ro Tall, journalist filmmaker Amory Crowe, also amazing images
- 1:03Speaker 1: from the archive of claimed rock photographer Neil Pressing, and
- 1:07Speaker 1: of course the story of ELP. Now this is told
- 1:09Speaker 1: in the words of over three hundred and seventy fans
- 1:12Speaker 1: as they remember two hundred and forty different concerts across
- 1:16Speaker 1: a forty year career. What a tribute to a band
- 1:18Speaker 1: that deserves the praise. Critics like Lester Bangs never gave
- 1:22Speaker 1: them much respect, but this book proves the critics wrong.
- 1:26Speaker 1: Clearly the band has made an impact on fans, right.
- 1:29Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know it's when you think, I think their
- 1:33Speaker 2: last studio album was what nineteen ninety six or something
- 1:36Speaker 2: like that, and their last performance was twenty ten, so
- 1:39Speaker 2: you know, their legacy still lives on. And several of
- 1:43Speaker 2: the contributions later in the book are from people that
- 1:46Speaker 2: never got to see them. I never got to actually
- 1:48Speaker 2: see them in the flesh as a three piece band,
- 1:53Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just amazing. It's quite quite a legacy,
- 1:57Speaker 2: and they're one of those bands I think that just
- 1:59Speaker 2: kind of know, at this point, kind of go under
- 2:03Speaker 2: the radar a little bit. I don't think they get
- 2:04Speaker 2: as much appreciation as I think they really deserve.
- 2:07Speaker 1: But they do fall into that category of bands who
- 2:09Speaker 1: never really receive the praise that they should have gotten
- 2:13Speaker 1: from critics, right, I mean that's absolutely bands like Yes
- 2:15Speaker 1: and King Crimson and those types of bands. Why do
- 2:18Speaker 1: critics have a problem with bands like Emerson, Lincoln Palmer
- 2:22Speaker 1: brilliant musicians, the songs are fantastic.
- 2:25Speaker 2: I think a lot of that in my opinion. I'm
- 2:27Speaker 2: a musician myself. I've played for forty odd years and
- 2:30Speaker 2: have been surrounded by music and for all my life,
- 2:34Speaker 2: and I think a lot of it is critics aren't musicians.
- 2:37Speaker 2: They don't understand when you know, when Keith Emerson plays
- 2:41Speaker 2: a keyboard part, is he's phenomenal. I mean, he's just
- 2:46Speaker 2: right at the top of that game, could quite easily
- 2:48Speaker 2: have been playing. In fact, did play in front of
- 2:50Speaker 2: symphony orchestras. And you know, I just don't think critics
- 2:54Speaker 2: really understand what it is to be a musician. You know,
- 3:00Speaker 2: people like Chris Allen and and and Leicester Bangs. They
- 3:03Speaker 2: really like the old rock and roll, the very basic stuff,
- 3:06Speaker 2: which I love too. But but you know, these are
- 3:09Speaker 2: the guys that stretched the envelope and really pushed the
- 3:13Speaker 2: medium as bad as far as it could possibly go.
- 3:16Speaker 2: Uh and uh, and I just don't think the critics
- 3:18Speaker 2: got that.
- 3:19Speaker 1: And put on a fantastic show as well, right and uh,
- 3:23Speaker 1: you know, but the thing is I'm not a musician,
- 3:25Speaker 1: but I love music. I am a music fanatic. I
- 3:28Speaker 1: love ELP. So that goes against what these critics are saying.
- 3:31Speaker 1: I don't need to be a musician to appreciate these
- 3:34Speaker 1: are just good songs.
- 3:35Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and there's that too. I mean, you know
- 3:38Speaker 2: the material that they used. You know, Greg Lake's ballads
- 3:42Speaker 2: I think have stood the test of time, Lucky Man
- 3:44Speaker 2: and uh se Lave and but songs like that just gorgeous,
- 3:49Speaker 2: gorgeous songs that that had that crossover appeal, that mass appeal,
- 3:55Speaker 2: and and you know, but but to me, you know,
- 3:58Speaker 2: Emerson and and and to a certain lesser extent, Carl
- 4:02Speaker 2: Palmer brought that classical influence into the band to make
- 4:07Speaker 2: what I think is a really unique sound, even for
- 4:09Speaker 2: the progue guys.
- 4:10Speaker 1: Before we get to some of the fan stories, take
- 4:12Speaker 1: us back to when and how the band is formed.
- 4:14Speaker 1: This was during the year of the supergroup.
- 4:17Speaker 2: Yep, that's absolutely right, and you know, so it was
- 4:20Speaker 2: I think everybody had kind of gotten to that point musically,
- 4:24Speaker 2: so at six nineteen sixty nine, where you know, the
- 4:27Speaker 2: boundaries of pop music had been really stretched, and I
- 4:30Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys were looking for new
- 4:33Speaker 2: ways to express themselves. I think in Greg Lake's case,
- 4:39Speaker 2: I think he felt a little bit intimidated or stifled
- 4:43Speaker 2: by the King Crimson set up side, I think he
- 4:46Speaker 2: was looking to get out of that. And you know,
- 4:49Speaker 2: Palmer had had gotten his chops through playing for Atomic
- 4:53Speaker 2: Rooster and the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, which is
- 4:58Speaker 2: not a gig I would have fought for because it
- 5:00Speaker 2: was definitely a crazy world.
- 5:02Speaker 1: There was a showman, right, yes, yes he was.
- 5:05Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And then you know, Keith, I think really
- 5:10Speaker 2: just saw ELP as an extension the Nice, his first band.
- 5:13Speaker 2: But I think he had a lot more creative control
- 5:15Speaker 2: over ELP and the direction they were taking. So I
- 5:18Speaker 2: think that's what made it an inviting proposition for him.
- 5:22Speaker 2: Seventy is really the start of the band.
- 5:24Speaker 1: And as for stories from fans, they go way back
- 5:27Speaker 1: to the pre ELP days. We should know one from
- 5:31Speaker 1: the Peer Pavilion in I'm gonna need some help here.
- 5:33Speaker 1: It's in the UK. Felix Stow, Felix Stowe, very good,
- 5:37Speaker 1: Felix Stowe. It was close, okay. August ninth, nineteen sixty nine,
- 5:40Speaker 1: Graham day Fan a seaside resort he saw the Nice
- 5:45Speaker 1: Keith Emerson's band Nice and Graham Wrights quote. Keith Emerson
- 5:49Speaker 1: had acquired a hm in organ and to produce new
- 5:52Speaker 1: sounds on stage. We had heard that he experimented with
- 5:56Speaker 1: rocking the instrument backward and forwards, and memorably jamming knives
- 6:00Speaker 1: into the keyboards and thrusting them into the back of
- 6:03Speaker 1: the organ as well. These ceremonial daggers were provided by
- 6:08Speaker 1: Rody Lemmy of Motorhead fame.
- 6:10Speaker 2: That's so cool, that's the story. Yeah, let me let
- 6:13Speaker 2: me work with Hendrix as well before before going off
- 6:18Speaker 2: onto a band called Hawkwind, which is a band I
- 6:20Speaker 2: remember from back in the in the early seventies in
- 6:23Speaker 2: my days in England. And so yeah, quite a story.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Any favorite keys Emerson stories for you that are in
- 6:30Speaker 1: the book, like this about his showmanship. Didn't he light
- 6:32Speaker 1: the keys on fire? And what was this? Oh?
- 6:35Speaker 2: All sorts of stuff? You know. He would, you know,
- 6:38Speaker 2: get on top of the keyboard. Famously, he would pull
- 6:41Speaker 2: the keyboard over on top of himself and then play
- 6:45Speaker 2: backwards over the top of the keyboard. It was as
- 6:48Speaker 2: he was lying on the floor, you know, And he
- 6:51Speaker 2: would throw throw stuff around and you know, just a
- 6:55Speaker 2: great showman. And if you think about, you know, how
- 6:58Speaker 2: static that that band could have been. You know, you
- 7:01Speaker 2: got Cole Palmer really tucked away behind a massive drum
- 7:06Speaker 2: kit and Greg Lake really just pretty much strumming on
- 7:09Speaker 2: the other side of the stage. It really needed that band,
- 7:12Speaker 2: really needed a visual component, and the book is full
- 7:16Speaker 2: of stories of him, you know, just literally bouncing off
- 7:19Speaker 2: the furniture and even in one case I can't remember
- 7:22Speaker 2: which story it is, but even falling off the stage
- 7:24Speaker 2: and into an audience member's lap. So you know, it's
- 7:27Speaker 2: certainly the absolute showman.
- 7:29Speaker 1: The band made their formal debut at the Isle of
- 7:31Speaker 1: Wight Festival August nineteen seventy and you were a quote
- 7:34Speaker 1: immediately appearing shoulder to shoulder on the Saturday which such
- 7:39Speaker 1: luminaries as The Doors the Who. Ten years after Free
- 7:42Speaker 1: and Joni Mitchell performed in September, they began a lengthy
- 7:46Speaker 1: tour of Britain. By November they were touring Europe and
- 7:49Speaker 1: had released their first eponymous album. They were working really
- 7:54Speaker 1: hard early on, right, I mean you right about this.
- 7:56Speaker 1: Throughout seventy one seventy two, they produced at a breakneck
- 8:00Speaker 1: pace in the studio and then they're on the road.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really amazing how how hard that band worked
- 8:06Speaker 2: in the early days to get to where they got
- 8:08Speaker 2: to be, you know, just just every single venue imaginable
- 8:14Speaker 2: throughout Europe and and and I think they got very
- 8:17Speaker 2: lucky early on in America as well. A lot of
- 8:20Speaker 2: English bands, as you know, struggle to break through in
- 8:23Speaker 2: America for obvious reasons with the size and you know,
- 8:27Speaker 2: just trying to get a foothold in such a big,
- 8:30Speaker 2: big country. And but they managed to do it very
- 8:33Speaker 2: very quickly. And it's you know, if you think about it,
- 8:37Speaker 2: you know, by the time you get to brain sound surgery,
- 8:39Speaker 2: which is seventy three, these guys are headlining not just
- 8:43Speaker 2: the big the big holes, but they're headlining stadiums now,
- 8:48Speaker 2: you know. You know, they've gone in four years from
- 8:52Speaker 2: from basically from hitting the clubs to arena rock. Uh
- 8:57Speaker 2: And And you know, one of the things I think,
- 8:59Speaker 2: and I'm saying I say it in the book, is
- 9:01Speaker 2: that I really think that they pioneered that whole idea
- 9:04Speaker 2: of arena rock. They were determined to put on as
- 9:07Speaker 2: big a show as possible, and they were of course
- 9:10Speaker 2: known throughout Europe and America for taking tons and tons
- 9:15Speaker 2: of equipment and you know, huge, huge truck tractor trailers,
- 9:23Speaker 2: a scale of which we kind of take for granted
- 9:26Speaker 2: now I think, you know, with the big shows. But
- 9:28Speaker 2: back in the day, they were pioneers for that.
- 9:31Speaker 1: Yeah, I made note of that. And here about they
- 9:34Speaker 1: had a separate truck for each band member, didn't they.
- 9:36Speaker 2: That was the Yeah, that was the whole thing. And
- 9:39Speaker 2: I remember in the back of my mind somewhere seeing
- 9:42Speaker 2: some video of these tractor trailers going down a highway
- 9:46Speaker 2: and ELP on the top of the tractor trailer. So yeah,
- 9:49Speaker 2: they made a splash.
- 9:50Speaker 1: Even with that great story from ELP fan turned professional musician.
- 9:54Speaker 1: In the book, he has a full circle moment with
- 9:57Speaker 1: Karl Palmer many years later. This is Mark Prentiss. I
- 10:00Speaker 1: saw ELP in May of seventy one at War Memorial
- 10:02Speaker 1: in Rochester, New York. He drove one hundred miles to
- 10:05Speaker 1: see Poco with ELP opening. There's an interesting ticket. He
- 10:09Speaker 1: was seventeen. ELP blew away Poco. Mark became a fan
- 10:13Speaker 1: that day and he says, quote, I went on to
- 10:15Speaker 1: have an incredible career. I've been a studio musician for
- 10:17Speaker 1: almost forty years, played on thirty thousand plus songs. I've
- 10:20Speaker 1: had multiple Grammy nominations as a producer and produced a
- 10:23Speaker 1: Grammy winning record. I've had some success as a songwriter,
- 10:26Speaker 1: but I owe so much of my drive and success
- 10:28Speaker 1: to these acts that lit my fire, the primary one
- 10:32Speaker 1: prior to ELP being the Rascals. Talk about ELP's influence
- 10:37Speaker 1: on fellow musicians. How often did you hear stories like Marx?
- 10:40Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, you know, people like Frank
- 10:44Speaker 2: I ask you who is in a bank called Naughties
- 10:46Speaker 2: Puncture which is an ELP tribute band in England. And
- 10:52Speaker 2: robbed my friend Rob Shepherd, who is in Manticore, which
- 10:55Speaker 2: is a working ELP tribute band up here in the
- 10:58Speaker 2: northeast of the US. These guys cut their teeth on Amazon,
- 11:04Speaker 2: on Keith Emerson particularly, and and just just story after
- 11:08Speaker 2: the story of people either becoming serious musicians as you know,
- 11:13Speaker 2: not just musicians that you know had mom and dad
- 11:16Speaker 2: buy him a guitar for Christmas and then the guitar
- 11:19Speaker 2: goes in the in the in the closet. You know,
- 11:21Speaker 2: these guys worked at their craft. They they went that
- 11:24Speaker 2: they got sought out formal educations. They you know, they
- 11:28Speaker 2: were really very very became very very serious musicians. Uh.
- 11:34Speaker 2: And and there's also many, many stories, particularly from European places.
- 11:38Speaker 2: I can't remember the names now, but guys from places
- 11:42Speaker 2: like Czechoslovakia and and and uh Eastern Europe that that
- 11:47Speaker 2: were classically educated or classically they enjoyed classical music and
- 11:54Speaker 2: and this just deepened that love for classical music for
- 11:57Speaker 2: them too. So so yeah, you know, I just don't
- 12:02Speaker 2: know of too many bands that were really capable of,
- 12:06Speaker 2: like I say, not just getting people to pick up
- 12:08Speaker 2: a guitar and strum a couple of chords, but these
- 12:10Speaker 2: guys actually started to become very heavily influenced by classical music.
- 12:15Speaker 1: I'm sure people who are watching and listening are like myself, wondering,
- 12:18Speaker 1: how did you put all this together?
- 12:20Speaker 2: Right?
- 12:20Speaker 1: I mean, how did all these compile? All these stories?
- 12:22Speaker 1: Through social media, through people you knew.
- 12:25Speaker 2: Yeah, it's various, various sources, mostly social media. I remember
- 12:33Speaker 2: ms lank and Palmer's management putting a call out for stories.
- 12:37Speaker 2: I think it was the beginning of July, the first
- 12:40Speaker 2: week in July of last year, and my email just
- 12:44Speaker 2: blew up on. I got probably about one hundred and
- 12:48Speaker 2: fifty stories just in one day, and you know that,
- 12:52Speaker 2: so that was a lot of it. And we got
- 12:54Speaker 2: some very good stories from the particularly from people like
- 12:58Speaker 2: Chris and Andrew no To, who have amazing story that
- 13:03Speaker 2: they started off just being fans of the band and
- 13:06Speaker 2: saw them in Toronto and Buffalo and places like that,
- 13:09Speaker 2: and now have gone on to work for Karl Palmer
- 13:13Speaker 2: and his Legacy show doing the merchandise and also doing
- 13:16Speaker 2: the drum tech work, and so you know, these are
- 13:21Speaker 2: people that are you know, every band has their passionate followers, right,
- 13:24Speaker 2: but I mean these guys are, you know, a really
- 13:28Speaker 2: hardcore and it was so good to hear from him
- 13:30Speaker 2: and get their perspectives on things.
- 13:33Speaker 1: What about Cameron Crowe and Ian Anderson? How were you
- 13:36Speaker 1: able to get them to be part of the book.
- 13:38Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I didn't. That came through
- 13:42Speaker 2: Richard Houghton, who is the publisher of Spendwood Books, and
- 13:46Speaker 2: Richard actually had those contacts. He did a book with
- 13:50Speaker 2: Ian Nance in a while ago and asked Ian to contribute,
- 13:52Speaker 2: and he also had the contact information for Cameron Crowe.
- 13:55Speaker 2: So can't take any credit for that, I'm afraid.
- 13:57Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got Richard coming on soon. He's
- 14:00Speaker 1: got his book on the Stones the sixty nine tour.
- 14:03Speaker 2: He'll give you all the stories then.
- 14:04Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, looking forward to that. So let's talk about
- 14:07Speaker 1: some of the wild stage sets from ELP On the
- 14:11Speaker 1: tour to promote the Tarkas album, there was a full
- 14:13Speaker 1: sized tank armed with cannons that fired palostyrene balls into
- 14:19Speaker 1: the audience.
- 14:19Speaker 2: You've got it, Yeah, absolutely, it was a it was
- 14:22Speaker 2: a markup of that armored Dillo. Armored Armadillo, I think
- 14:26Speaker 2: that's the joke for it up on the stage and
- 14:29Speaker 2: they you know, it would just fire these little styrofoam
- 14:33Speaker 2: balls at everybody. And I've heard I heard stories of
- 14:37Speaker 2: people having to get there, have to clean out Emerson's
- 14:40Speaker 2: organ after one particular show where there was so many
- 14:44Speaker 2: storyphone boys, it wouldn't work and they had to spend
- 14:47Speaker 2: a few minutes vacuuming out the organ. So yeah, I mean,
- 14:50Speaker 2: and again, you know, you've got to put this into
- 14:53Speaker 2: into perspective. I think, you know, this is the early
- 14:56Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. You know, we're not talking know Taylor Swift,
- 15:01Speaker 2: massive arena shows with the pirate technics, and.
- 15:05Speaker 1: And and Kiss isn't even around yet. We don't even
- 15:08Speaker 1: know They're not even on.
- 15:09Speaker 2: The radar at this point, you know, and and so
- 15:12Speaker 2: you know, and I think you know this band was
- 15:15Speaker 2: Taylor made for arena shows, because once you get into arenas,
- 15:18Speaker 2: you've got to put on the bigger show. The other
- 15:21Speaker 2: thing that came came through in some of the stories
- 15:25Speaker 2: was their sound too. These the the the MZEC department,
- 15:29Speaker 2: along with Pink Floyd, were pioneers of quadraphonic sound back
- 15:34Speaker 2: in the day. And uh so you would have those
- 15:37Speaker 2: last notes of Carnieval nine on the on the album
- 15:43Speaker 2: where it just it's kind of like this grinding, whirring sound,
- 15:47Speaker 2: and they would put when they finished that particular song,
- 15:50Speaker 2: it would go round the auditorium, around all the speakers.
- 15:53Speaker 2: So you know, this is stuff that again, we just
- 15:57Speaker 2: take it for granted now, you know when we go
- 15:59Speaker 2: to see show. But back back in those days, that
- 16:02Speaker 2: stuff blew people's mind.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Emerson was like Jimmy Hendrix on the Keys, right, I mean,
- 16:06Speaker 1: just phenomenal musician but also a great performer, Wasn't Emerson
- 16:11Speaker 1: and Jimmy Hendrix didn't. They didn't have a possible band, right,
- 16:15Speaker 1: Brian Jones too.
- 16:17Speaker 2: I'm not sure about Brian Jones, but I know that
- 16:19Speaker 2: there was some talk about Hendricks because that was that
- 16:22Speaker 2: was the point when he was trying to search for
- 16:25Speaker 2: new avenues. And the story goes that they did possibly
- 16:29Speaker 2: jam together.
- 16:30Speaker 1: But yeah, I imagine that.
- 16:32Speaker 2: Oh Lord, that would have melted people's faces, no doubt
- 16:37Speaker 2: about it.
- 16:39Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, the music, the music on fire, the guitars
- 16:42Speaker 1: on fire, the keyboards are.
- 16:46Speaker 2: No where to go.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Chapter two titled The Greatest Show in Heaven, Hell or
- 16:50Speaker 1: Earth November nineteen seventy three to August nineteen seventy four.
- 16:53Speaker 1: Now this is when ELP reached the height of their fame,
- 16:56Speaker 1: and you yeah this. They released the album Bring Salad
- 17:00Speaker 1: Surgery in seventy three, number two in the UK, eleven
- 17:03Speaker 1: in the US and here's what You're writ quote. After
- 17:06Speaker 1: a two month tour of the US in Canada to
- 17:08Speaker 1: finish the year, the band went on to play over
- 17:10Speaker 1: seventy shows from mid January to mid August nineteen seventy four,
- 17:14Speaker 1: including two more tours of the US, with a headlining
- 17:17Speaker 1: spot in front of two hundred and fifty thousand at
- 17:19Speaker 1: the California Jam in April and four nights at Wembley
- 17:22Speaker 1: Arena in London that same month. To play the ever
- 17:26Speaker 1: larger arenas in stadiums, the band scaled up their shows.
- 17:30Speaker 1: So just when you thought that the shows couldn't get
- 17:32Speaker 1: bigger and better, right, talk about what the band did
- 17:35Speaker 1: on stage for those shows, because this is where we
- 17:37Speaker 1: get the levitating piano.
- 17:39Speaker 2: That's right, Levetine piano, the massive artwork at the back,
- 17:43Speaker 2: as well of the Brinsallad surgery cover.
- 17:46Speaker 1: Whose idea was all that is that? Keith Emerson or
- 17:49Speaker 1: the band as a whole.
- 17:50Speaker 2: I think the band as a hole probably did that
- 17:52Speaker 2: because they, like I said earlier, they were aware that
- 17:55Speaker 2: they had to do things. Everything had to get bigger,
- 17:58Speaker 2: everything had to get bigger. Point you know, I was,
- 18:02Speaker 2: I was a young kid. I was never I couldn't
- 18:04Speaker 2: make the back in England in seventy four, and I
- 18:06Speaker 2: couldn't make the the Wembley show simply because I was
- 18:10Speaker 2: fourteen years old and couldn't you know, talk my parents
- 18:13Speaker 2: and let me go down to London to see it.
- 18:15Speaker 2: You know, you know, from from my little perspective in
- 18:19Speaker 2: Leicester where I was born and raised, playing playing Wembley
- 18:22Speaker 2: was just like the Pinnacle. I mean, nobody got to
- 18:26Speaker 2: do that, and so so yeah, these are just everything
- 18:31Speaker 2: just scaled up. But you know, everything gets to a
- 18:37Speaker 2: point where it can't get any bigger, and they found
- 18:39Speaker 2: that out later on.
- 18:41Speaker 1: By the way, you're coming to us from New York.
- 18:43Speaker 1: So what led you to the East coast from the UK?
- 18:46Speaker 2: Long long story. I ended up studying at sunny Brockport
- 18:52Speaker 2: up up near Rochester, New York, and just never really
- 18:55Speaker 2: left and had kids here and so just just forged
- 18:58Speaker 2: life here, I suppose.
- 18:59Speaker 1: All right, So you're freezing like I am here in Connecticut.
- 19:04Speaker 1: It was below ten this morning.
- 19:06Speaker 2: Freezing is not the word, all right, we're beyond freezing.
- 19:09Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just above zero this morning. Mike Russnack contributes
- 19:14Speaker 1: a story. He saw the band December second and third,
- 19:16Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three in Chicago at the International Amphitheater, and
- 19:19Speaker 1: he talks about the sound being mind blowing. Had you
- 19:22Speaker 1: mentioned the sound system that they had, so it's going
- 19:26Speaker 1: around in circles around the venue. What type of team
- 19:30Speaker 1: did they have to go out on the road with them?
- 19:32Speaker 1: An impressive Oh gosh, a huge crew.
- 19:35Speaker 2: Huge crew again, you know, these are the you know,
- 19:38Speaker 2: I remember seeing Metallica not long ago and seeing probably
- 19:42Speaker 2: what was equivalent of a small village put that show
- 19:44Speaker 2: on for them, and so you know, I, you know,
- 19:47Speaker 2: to do what Emisake and Poma did, they had to
- 19:49Speaker 2: have a fairly sizable crew to do it.
- 19:52Speaker 1: So were they making money on these tours with all
- 19:54Speaker 1: the expenses put in Well, that of course.
- 19:56Speaker 2: Was the not They were making money for that particular tour.
- 20:01Speaker 2: But the next tour that they go on, the the
- 20:03Speaker 2: Big Works tour, that's when they started to lose money
- 20:07Speaker 2: because they they had come up with the idea to
- 20:09Speaker 2: bring a full sixty seventy piece orchestra on the road
- 20:14Speaker 2: with them, and I just can't even imagine the logistics
- 20:18Speaker 2: involved in bringing that. Musicians being good be good to me.
- 20:20Speaker 2: I've played in bands where it's hard enough to get
- 20:22Speaker 2: four people in the same room at the same time,
- 20:24Speaker 2: let alone seventy classical musicians, and you know, they wanted
- 20:30Speaker 2: to tour with the same musicians rather than I think
- 20:33Speaker 2: what a lot of bands that do play with orchestras
- 20:36Speaker 2: now do is, which is they send they send the
- 20:39Speaker 2: music on ahead the orchestra practices and then on the
- 20:43Speaker 2: day of the show. You get together, run through it once,
- 20:45Speaker 2: maybe twice, and then that's it. But they wanted to
- 20:48Speaker 2: bring the entire orchestra with them, and that brought them
- 20:52Speaker 2: apparently close to bankruptcy.
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- 21:29Speaker 1: fans who were at the California Jam in April of
- 21:32Speaker 1: seventy four. One fan called it the Holy Grail of concerts.
- 21:34Speaker 1: As a teenager, Larry Berg talks about seeing a guy
- 21:38Speaker 1: with no pants on trying to climb the fence and
- 21:41Speaker 1: his his precious jewels.
- 21:43Speaker 2: Got caught at the top.
- 21:47Speaker 1: Stories like that much safer to buy a ticket. Another fan,
- 21:52Speaker 1: Brian Hart, said, quote, there were rumors that there was
- 21:55Speaker 1: an issue with the headliner disagreements between Deep Purple and ELP.
- 22:00Speaker 1: Richie Blackmore was very upset because he wanted lights and
- 22:03Speaker 1: pushed the show back, which made ELP go on very late.
- 22:07Speaker 1: Was that true?
- 22:08Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, uh yeah. And if you see the
- 22:12Speaker 2: footage of Deep Purple set, uh, you know, they were
- 22:16Speaker 2: not happy. This was this was the new well Mark
- 22:20Speaker 2: I think Mark three. I think it was Deep Purple
- 22:22Speaker 2: with David Covedell and Glenn Hughes. And so this was
- 22:25Speaker 2: their first outing and the album Burne had just come out,
- 22:29Speaker 2: which is, you know, just a phenomenal album, and and
- 22:33Speaker 2: uh uh you know, they were just not happy about
- 22:36Speaker 2: having to take play second fiddle to ms Lake and Palmer.
- 22:38Speaker 2: And this footage you can see footage of Blackmore throwing
- 22:42Speaker 2: a guitar through through a television camera at one point.
- 22:47Speaker 2: So so yeah, there was a little bit of bad,
- 22:49Speaker 2: bad blood because of that. Uh but yeah, an amazing show, uh,
- 22:55Speaker 2: you know, you know, and once again I keep coming
- 22:58Speaker 2: back to this whole thing that this is. You know,
- 23:00Speaker 2: you got to two hundred fifty thousand people at a
- 23:02Speaker 2: show that you can't replicate that anymore. No wonder people
- 23:06Speaker 2: were getting in for free. You know, it's you know,
- 23:09Speaker 2: you just shows of that kind of you know, big
- 23:14Speaker 2: shows like that were in their infansy still and you
- 23:17Speaker 2: just couldn't control the crowds.
- 23:18Speaker 1: Bruce Peg is the author of Welcome Back My Friends,
- 23:21Speaker 1: of People's history of Emerson Lincoln Palmer. What would you
- 23:24Speaker 1: say at ELP's most important shows, because I'm thinking California
- 23:28Speaker 1: Jam is one, but there's the Isle of Wight show.
- 23:30Speaker 1: But there's also Olympic Stadium seventy seven, right, those are
- 23:34Speaker 1: the huge attendance.
- 23:36Speaker 2: That's absolutely yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the number
- 23:39Speaker 2: is for Montreal, but it's that was a massive stadium
- 23:42Speaker 2: back in the day. And for them to be able
- 23:45Speaker 2: to fill that out and they you know, they filled
- 23:47Speaker 2: out all the great the great stadiums. I'm just trying
- 23:52Speaker 2: to think Chicago, Soldier Field and places like that.
- 23:56Speaker 1: Was this okay, when they played at Olympic Stadium, this
- 23:58Speaker 1: is when they have the orchestra.
- 24:00Speaker 2: Yes, it's that time, yeah, absolutely yeah. And that's where
- 24:03Speaker 2: the video for Fanfare for the Common Mans was done
- 24:07Speaker 2: as well.
- 24:08Speaker 1: Yeah, because this marks the first or the end of
- 24:11Speaker 1: the first chapter of VLPN. Chapter three is titled The
- 24:13Speaker 1: Ledges of Extremes May nineteen seventy seven to March nineteen
- 24:17Speaker 1: seventy nine, and they would not release another album or
- 24:19Speaker 1: appear together on the same stage for another fourteen years.
- 24:22Speaker 1: What led to the end of that first chapter of
- 24:24Speaker 1: the band.
- 24:25Speaker 2: I think they had just kind of run their course
- 24:27Speaker 2: at that point, you know, and I think the whole
- 24:32Speaker 2: logistical issues of the orchestral shows, and you know, the
- 24:38Speaker 2: money situation that they had found themselves in. I think
- 24:40Speaker 2: they were just at that point where they were ready
- 24:43Speaker 2: to take a break from each other and go their
- 24:45Speaker 2: separate ways.
- 24:46Speaker 1: And then we had Carl Palmer joining Asia. Yeah, in
- 24:50Speaker 1: the early eighties, Keith Emerson and Greg Lake did solo
- 24:54Speaker 1: work after that, Right.
- 24:55Speaker 2: They did solo work. They also put together another version
- 24:59Speaker 2: of ELP Emerson Can Powell with Cozy the amazing drama
- 25:02Speaker 2: Cozy Powell, which.
- 25:03Speaker 1: You cover in your book. Right, you have shows covered
- 25:05Speaker 1: from that tour.
- 25:06Speaker 2: Yeah, we've I think we've got at least one story
- 25:09Speaker 2: from every incarnation of ELP and the solo stuff as well.
- 25:14Speaker 1: Yeah, the band reformed in ninety six. You said, is
- 25:17Speaker 1: that what it was in sometime in the nineteen nineties.
- 25:20Speaker 2: Ninety four, I think it was. But yeah, yeah, right
- 25:22Speaker 2: around that time they come up with what I think
- 25:25Speaker 2: is a really good album. It's very overlooked, Black Moon
- 25:28Speaker 2: and In the Hot Seat, which is the last of
- 25:32Speaker 2: the albums that they did. It. It's all right, there's
- 25:35Speaker 2: some good stuff on there. It's a great version of
- 25:37Speaker 2: Dylan's Long Black Coat on there, a man on the
- 25:39Speaker 2: long black coat. So, I mean, there's still a viable force,
- 25:44Speaker 2: but you know, you can tell at that point there's
- 25:48Speaker 2: rather than trying to push the music, they're more responsive
- 25:54Speaker 2: to the sounds and the technology of the time. So
- 25:59Speaker 2: you know, Emerson's not kind of wailing on the on
- 26:02Speaker 2: the Hammond anymore. He's he's more subdued with the kind
- 26:07Speaker 2: of sampling type keyboards and and that that were ubiquitous
- 26:11Speaker 2: in that time.
- 26:12Speaker 1: Well, that was due to his physical ailment at that time.
- 26:15Speaker 2: Right, that's a that's a little bit later. That was later, yeah, yeah, okay,
- 26:20Speaker 2: so yeah, and he had yeah, he had carpal tunnel,
- 26:23Speaker 2: which was you know, he he had various surgeries on
- 26:28Speaker 2: it and it was a huge, uh source of depression
- 26:31Speaker 2: for him because he just could not play. Uh. You
- 26:34Speaker 2: know the sad the sad thing about Keith Emerson is
- 26:38Speaker 2: that he was a phenomenal writer. He could write, He
- 26:43Speaker 2: could also you know, he could have also gone on
- 26:45Speaker 2: to a wonderful uh career as a as a studio musician,
- 26:50Speaker 2: session musician, those kinds of things. But he loved to
- 26:54Speaker 2: play and he couldn't accept the fact that he just
- 26:57Speaker 2: physically could no longer do what he was so great
- 27:03Speaker 2: at earlier, and that is, you know, perform on stage.
- 27:06Speaker 2: When they toured with Jethro Taal, they shortened they were
- 27:09Speaker 2: on the opening slot, a shorter slot, so that would
- 27:11Speaker 2: make it easier on him. Yeah.
- 27:14Speaker 1: I just amazed. See he never recovered from that carpal tunnel,
- 27:17Speaker 1: not really.
- 27:18Speaker 2: No.
- 27:19Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just tragic because he took his life
- 27:22Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen.
- 27:23Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, Yeah. You know somebody that I
- 27:27Speaker 2: interviewed now I can't really go into it because it
- 27:29Speaker 2: was told off the record, but they, you know, they
- 27:32Speaker 2: said that he was just at the point, you know,
- 27:34Speaker 2: he was just so distraught at everything that was happening,
- 27:40Speaker 2: so and physically and I just I think, you know,
- 27:44Speaker 2: he was he was a perfectionist. I think he was always,
- 27:48Speaker 2: you know, trying to try in be absolutely perfect on
- 27:52Speaker 2: stage and often and I just don't think he could
- 27:55Speaker 2: accept that any longer.
- 27:56Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that tour with tall Ian Anderson comments on that,
- 28:00Speaker 1: and these comments are in the book. He says, as
- 28:02Speaker 1: a fan, I was filled with excitement and having the
- 28:04Speaker 1: ELP on tour with us, but with a little dread
- 28:07Speaker 1: also as we heard from promoters that they were a
- 28:10Speaker 1: difficult bunch to work with. What was it that Ian
- 28:12Speaker 1: was hearing? And can you talk about how Ian was
- 28:15Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised to find out I.
- 28:18Speaker 2: Was gonna say, great, Yeah, I was surprised. I was
- 28:20Speaker 2: surprised when I read that, because you know, everything else
- 28:24Speaker 2: in the in the book points of them being really
- 28:27Speaker 2: good people, and you know, they certainly were very open
- 28:30Speaker 2: and generous to their fans and had time with time
- 28:33Speaker 2: for their fans, and you know, I don't know if
- 28:37Speaker 2: there was some professional tension there. I you know, I'm
- 28:42Speaker 2: not being a fly on the wall for that stuff.
- 28:44Speaker 2: I really couldn't say, but yeah, I was surprised to
- 28:46Speaker 2: read that myself.
- 28:47Speaker 1: Ian, I guess, has been in the same shoes too.
- 28:50Speaker 1: That maybe he's difficult to work with, but you know,
- 28:52Speaker 1: it's like all these stories get around there and then
- 28:54Speaker 1: you end up working with the guys and it's like, no,
- 28:56Speaker 1: they're great, but yeah, Richie Blackmore is known to be
- 28:59Speaker 1: a little prickly.
- 29:00Speaker 2: H So you know that one doesn't prickly is a
- 29:04Speaker 2: good word.
- 29:04Speaker 1: Yes, it's putting it nicely. The stories from fans are
- 29:09Speaker 1: that the bands sounded great on that ninety six tour.
- 29:12Speaker 1: One fan who saw them in I believe Brazil in
- 29:14Speaker 1: ninety three, so the show was perfect bertrand Collexa I
- 29:18Speaker 1: think it's pronounced, and he said the tears of happiness
- 29:22Speaker 1: flowed from my eyes at every song and they played.
- 29:25Speaker 1: So it feels like from reading these accounts that the
- 29:28Speaker 1: nineties that was a time when the band realized we've
- 29:32Speaker 1: got some longtime fans here who really appreciate us, like
- 29:35Speaker 1: they were really taking that all in. What was your
- 29:37Speaker 1: overall impression of the fan feedback from that decade.
- 29:40Speaker 2: I got we got a lot of stories from the
- 29:42Speaker 2: book from places real far away. But you mentioned South
- 29:46Speaker 2: America and again, you know, South America has been a
- 29:50Speaker 2: place that American and British rock bands haven't done a
- 29:53Speaker 2: lot of work and for them to go down there,
- 29:56Speaker 2: you know, some of the stories it's like it was
- 29:58Speaker 2: like the Second Coming, you know, they just you know,
- 30:02Speaker 2: felt that these gods had come to Earth to to
- 30:05Speaker 2: to be there with them, you know, and so so
- 30:10Speaker 2: you know, it's it's I love the fact that they
- 30:13Speaker 2: throughund their career really were adventurous and they tried to
- 30:17Speaker 2: push the boundaries both musically and and as far as
- 30:22Speaker 2: entertaining is concerned.
- 30:23Speaker 1: So well, I think what sustained them is classic rock
- 30:25Speaker 1: radio continually playing as to this day, Carnival nine yea
- 30:32Speaker 1: lucking in and lucking in in the beginning, I mean,
- 30:36Speaker 1: in regular rotation. Yeah, they're reintroduced to generations of fans
- 30:42Speaker 1: to this day. I don't know who has the rights
- 30:46Speaker 1: to their music now, not sure how much we hear
- 30:48Speaker 1: them in movies and things like that, but I feel
- 30:50Speaker 1: like those songs are going to be around, I think
- 30:53Speaker 1: so for a very very long time.
- 30:55Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. You know, at the end of the book,
- 31:00Speaker 2: there's a number of stories mine included where we talk
- 31:02Speaker 2: about Carl Palmer's Legacy ELP Legacy Tour, which he's doing
- 31:09Speaker 2: with two other phenomenal phenomenal musicians, and you know that
- 31:16Speaker 2: audience is predominantly our age, you know, but do you
- 31:21Speaker 2: do see kids there? You do see kids not just
- 31:24Speaker 2: kids that are being dragged along by their parents. Do
- 31:27Speaker 2: you know? These are kids that are genuinely interested in
- 31:30Speaker 2: in that music. And it's really heartening to see that
- 31:33Speaker 2: the you know, the music still has legs.
- 31:36Speaker 1: And Carl has the video of Keith Emerson and Lake
- 31:41Speaker 1: behind him while he's performing.
- 31:43Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's chilling at times, it really is. This
- 31:46Speaker 2: was footage that was used that was taken in ninety four,
- 31:50Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four and at the Royal Albert Hall, which
- 31:53Speaker 2: was released commercially as a concert video. But they've taken
- 31:59Speaker 2: other other footage that was shot at that time and
- 32:03Speaker 2: Carl plays along with it at various points, you know,
- 32:09Speaker 2: just a beautiful version of of him and Greg doing
- 32:14Speaker 2: in the beginning in that show. It's just it's just
- 32:17Speaker 2: absolutely gorgeous and it's a really, I think appropriate way
- 32:22Speaker 2: to honor that music.
- 32:23Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering, is it's done in a
- 32:26Speaker 1: classy way, It's done in a respectful way.
- 32:28Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And then you know, I can't remember
- 32:33Speaker 2: the guy's name that he plays the chapman stick Fitzpatrick
- 32:37Speaker 2: I think his last name is, and pul Banlatowitz, who
- 32:40Speaker 2: is the guitar player. No keyboards. That's the interesting part
- 32:43Speaker 2: about the whole show. Everything is done, everything is done
- 32:47Speaker 2: without keyboards. That so they do things like pictures and exhibition,
- 32:53Speaker 2: they do things like Tarkas and and it's you know,
- 32:57Speaker 2: and that's just the three musicians on stage on their
- 32:59Speaker 2: own and then and they do the do various video
- 33:02Speaker 2: segments throughout the show. It's a great show. It's very enjoyable.
- 33:05Speaker 1: You saw them in jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania. Yeah, March first,
- 33:08Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Penn's Peak. Who is the name of
- 33:11Speaker 1: the venue. You had doubts going in?
- 33:13Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely did. I mean, you know, I'm not
- 33:17Speaker 2: a sentimental person. You know, I love music. I listened
- 33:21Speaker 2: to everything from you know, Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley
- 33:25Speaker 2: right through to you know, Opeth and Steve Wilson and
- 33:29Speaker 2: Porcupine Tree. Now you know, you know, and I don't.
- 33:33Speaker 2: I don't feel the need to revisit those that old stuff.
- 33:37Speaker 2: I've got my memories, I've got my I've got my
- 33:41Speaker 2: I've got my CDs and my Memorabilian. You know, so
- 33:45Speaker 2: I was a little apprhansive. I didn't know quite what
- 33:47Speaker 2: to expect, but I was absolutely blown away. It's a great,
- 33:50Speaker 2: great show.
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- 34:31Speaker 1: to the show. The last show they ever played was
- 34:34Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, twenty ten. That was the original. That
- 34:37Speaker 1: was the high three guys, Yeah.
- 34:39Speaker 2: At the High Voltage Festival.
- 34:40Speaker 1: Yeah, High Voltage Festival. You cover that in chapter six
- 34:43Speaker 1: titled The Show That Never Ends nineteen ninety nine to
- 34:45Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, High Volted in London's Victoria Park one
- 34:49Speaker 1: off celebration band's fortieth anniversary. What did those fans have
- 34:54Speaker 1: to say about that show, especially knowing now that it
- 34:57Speaker 1: would it ends up being their last?
- 35:00Speaker 2: I think consensus opinion it was a bit of a
- 35:02Speaker 2: ragged show. I guess from what I've heard. They had
- 35:05Speaker 2: technical difficulties. Keith was still struggling at that time with
- 35:10Speaker 2: his hands, and I think just the you know, a
- 35:15Speaker 2: band playing, you know, forty years after they were first
- 35:18Speaker 2: formed and not having played together for a while all
- 35:22Speaker 2: took its toll. But everybody that was there said it
- 35:25Speaker 2: was memorable. They wouldn't have been anywhere else on that
- 35:28Speaker 2: day except there to watch LP because they was you know,
- 35:33Speaker 2: they had made such a mark on the audience prior
- 35:37Speaker 2: to that show that people just couldn't couldn't stay away.
- 35:41Speaker 1: It's a great ride through the band's history in this book,
- 35:44Speaker 1: even like we said, going back before ELP formed and
- 35:47Speaker 1: all of the incarnations of the band and solo projects throughout.
- 35:51Speaker 1: It's all part of Welcome Back, My Friends, The People's
- 35:53Speaker 1: History of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. The release date is
- 35:56Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, yep okay, and you could find it
- 35:59Speaker 1: Riverbooks Old. It's currently also available in a limited edition,
- 36:03Speaker 1: numbered hardback edition, but that is available through Burning Shed
- 36:07Speaker 1: in the UK.
- 36:08Speaker 2: So if American anybody in America wants to buy it,
- 36:11Speaker 2: they're gonna have to sadly pay a lot of money
- 36:13Speaker 2: for shipping. But for shipping, yeah yeah, yeah, but but yeah,
- 36:17Speaker 2: but the paperbacks available next week. And we've been getting
- 36:21Speaker 2: some fantastic reviews. Not just saying that to pat myself
- 36:25Speaker 2: on the back, it's there's not a lot written about
- 36:28Speaker 2: Emmson like k and Palmer. There's only a couple of
- 36:30Speaker 2: really good but hard to find books, so this fills
- 36:34Speaker 2: a bit of a gap in that.
- 36:35Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a fantastic job in the photos. Plenty of
- 36:38Speaker 1: photos in here. Yeah, great photos. So it's worth it
- 36:43Speaker 1: for sure for ELP fans and fans of classic rock.
- 36:46Speaker 1: This is just one of those bands that just I've
- 36:48Speaker 1: grown up on listening to classic rock radio. So I
- 36:51Speaker 1: really appreciate this, Bruce, Thank you so much, Bruce Peg.
- 36:54Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and you know all the
- 36:56Speaker 1: best of the book.
- 36:57Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Eric, It's been a real pleasure.
- 36:59Speaker 1: Thank you.
- 37:06Speaker 2: That's it. It's in the box.