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The Occult Rejects with Outside Minds Podcast · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What I help.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects today. We got a
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  Speaker 4: guest who should fit into the show almost suspiciously well,
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  Speaker 4: because if you spend any time listening to the Occult Rejects,
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  Speaker 4: you already know that the border between occultism, conspiracy, altered
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  Speaker 4: states of consciousness, spirituality, psychedelics, secret societies, and the question
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  Speaker 4: of what the hell reality actually is tends to get
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  Speaker 4: pretty thin around here. So joining us today is steel
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  Speaker 4: O free and unfortunately Dot for twenty he couldn't make
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  Speaker 4: it from the Outside Minds podcast, a show built around
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  Speaker 4: exploring exactly that territory. Across well over one hundred episodes,
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  Speaker 4: Outside Minds has gone down rabbit holes, involving everything from
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  Speaker 4: Alister Crowley, Helena Bolovotsky, Rosicrucianism and mysticism, to psychedelics, out
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  Speaker 4: of body experiences in dees, surveillance technology, artificial intelligence, secret societies, conspiracies,
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  Speaker 4: and the possibility that consciousness itself may play a much
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  Speaker 4: larger role in the construction of reality that our ordinary
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  Speaker 4: materialist understanding allows. There are probably about fifty rabbit holes
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  Speaker 4: we could disappear into from there. So rather than trying
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  Speaker 4: to predict where this thing is going to end up,
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  Speaker 4: let's just bring in Stilo. But before we introduce him,
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  Speaker 4: let me introduce the other rejects that we got on
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? Judith? How are you so happy
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  Speaker 2: you can make it today?
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me as always is always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you Nick, Thank you Brandon, it's been a long time.
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  Speaker 5: And welcome Stelio and for everybody else, welcome. Looking forward
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  Speaker 5: to your comments and you could always find me on
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  Speaker 5: YouTube x and speaker as the Loon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you very much for making it, Judith.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and.
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  Speaker 3: I know you.
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  Speaker 4: I know you love your conspiracies too, so this should
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  Speaker 4: be fun. Hell yeah, my man, magus Brandon, what is
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  Speaker 4: going on?
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  Speaker 1: Sir?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: You so welcome, Nick. Thank you for having me. Even
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  Speaker 1: upon the traveling in the astral ways, I was able
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  Speaker 1: to make it. I'm so happy to be here with
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  Speaker 1: the Loon Judith herself, Nick and now meeting still oh again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you Aris no terioner. The hair is down and
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  Speaker 1: we're getting crazy today. The great dystopian nature of our
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  Speaker 1: world is ever spiraling more and more, and it's good
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  Speaker 1: for these types of conversations to be had because the
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  Speaker 1: crazier it gets, the more ordered we get, and the
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  Speaker 1: more ordered we get is the more conversations in the
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  Speaker 1: community we are building. So this is gonna be exciting.
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  Speaker 1: The merging of minds, the rejects, Outside Minds podcast, the
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  Speaker 1: Loon with magas in the media. Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, right, I definitely think it would be
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  Speaker 4: a fun conversation. And finally, steal, oh please plug anything,
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  Speaker 4: promote anything that you would like, let people know where
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  Speaker 4: they can find all your and adopt for twenty is
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  Speaker 4: amazing work.
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  Speaker 3: Yes sir, yes, sir. Steal a free from the Outside
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  Speaker 3: Minds podcast. You can find me there on all the
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  Speaker 3: social media's TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, all that. Just follow us
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  Speaker 3: at Outside Mind's podcast. And like Cardinal was saying before,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we like to explore the intersection between conspiracy, spirituality, psychedelics,
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  Speaker 3: how that all ties into you know, secret societies, mysticism,
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  Speaker 3: and nature of reality. There's a point where it all converges,
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  Speaker 3: and we'd like to explore all angles of it, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So if you're into that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff, then I think you're gonna enjoy this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, thank you very much for making the my man.
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  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So kind of like how I normally ask most people
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  Speaker 4: new guests or whatever on the show, how did you
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  Speaker 4: end up finding yourself? Even I guess was it conspiracies?
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  Speaker 4: I would assume that's how it worked for me. I
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  Speaker 4: got into conspiracies, and then the occult is that how
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  Speaker 4: it works for you? And then eventually started podcasting, like
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  Speaker 4: how did you end up getting it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, So when I was like eighteen or nineteen,
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  Speaker 3: I watched it was the documentary called Zeitgeist or something
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  Speaker 3: like that. It was like, you know, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that are within my community, around
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  Speaker 3: my age group. That's kind of like the what got
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  Speaker 3: him into like the whole conspiracy thing. So once that happened,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of was always like on the like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: like nine to eleven was an inside job, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like uh and then kind of just like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like on the note with like all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But years and years and years later I started to
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  Speaker 3: just listen to different podcasts and stuff, and my buddy
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  Speaker 3: was getting me into different kind of things. I started
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  Speaker 3: looking up her meticism and then I was studying like
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  Speaker 3: her medicism hardcore for like a week or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had like a spontaneous Kundlini awakening where
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  Speaker 3: I was like in this like involuntary lotus pose. When
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  Speaker 3: I'm like doing like these mantras, I was doing like
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  Speaker 3: om and I felt like omnipresence. So ever since then,
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  Speaker 3: I got like reintrigued by like the esoteric occult kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff because that always ties into like conspiracies and
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  Speaker 3: like even like psychedelics, the nature of reality as I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned before, and stuff like that. So that was kind
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  Speaker 3: of like my intro into starting my show and talking
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  Speaker 3: about the things I talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say involuntary lotus pose? Like you were put
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  Speaker 1: into that without your will?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had. I didn't really do as much
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  Speaker 3: meditation before, and when I would try to meditate it,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really know what I was doing, but what
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  Speaker 3: was happened. I was just like contemplating like her meticism,
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  Speaker 3: like ancient Egypt. I was like reading about thoths and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I really I started to get
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  Speaker 3: like a really really clear understanding of like the the
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  Speaker 3: theory of special relativity and gravity and stuff like this,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, oh shit, Like Einstein's a genius,
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  Speaker 3: Like we're like beings and like an electric universe, and
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  Speaker 3: like all these things are just starting to click before
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  Speaker 3: that I had known before, like we're all one and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, but I'm starting to understand them on
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  Speaker 3: a deeper level. And then reality just starts to break
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  Speaker 3: down around me. And then I'm like, oh shit, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I'm having a stroke or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: So when I lay down, that's when I involuntarily go
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  Speaker 3: into this pose and then I see a silhouette of
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  Speaker 3: the Buddha in the same pose as me, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: feeling like omnipresence. I'm feeling like I'm like having like
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  Speaker 3: an enlightenment right now. It was very much like a
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  Speaker 3: dm T TRU. I haven't done DMTRE at that time,
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  Speaker 3: but I was like, oh shit, that was like a
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  Speaker 3: psychedelic experience, and it was just from I was smoking
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  Speaker 3: cannabis and like contemplating philosophy and stuff like that, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it was very It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: really mushrooms LSD or anything like that. But it was
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  Speaker 3: very psychedelic, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: That is a that's interesting, the whole stroke thing emotion.
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  Speaker 4: I had an experience one time that well multiple ones
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  Speaker 4: in one week that freaked me out enough that like
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  Speaker 4: even physically, I just.
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  Speaker 2: Felt fucked up.
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  Speaker 4: And when I went to the hospital try to explain
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  Speaker 4: to him, like I think there's something wrong with me.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly what I told them, but whenever
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  Speaker 4: I told them, gave them symptoms or ideas that I
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  Speaker 4: was having a stroke. Yeah, So it weighted me out
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  Speaker 4: because I was already weirded out by the situation and
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  Speaker 4: paranoid is fucking thinking all this weird shit already in
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  Speaker 4: my head. And then you walk into a hospital, think
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  Speaker 4: you get help, and the rushing you into a room
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  Speaker 4: and sticking shit all on you and into a machine.
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  Speaker 4: You start getting even more freaked out, like what the
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  Speaker 4: fuck are you doing? Like you didn't even tell me
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  Speaker 4: what's going on, you know what I'm saying. So to me,
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, am I getting kidnapped. Now
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  Speaker 4: they know what I know? Like I'm thinking, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: mean I was thinking such of weird shit for you
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  Speaker 4: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: Yo.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually they're like, we think you have migraines.
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  Speaker 4: And then there was a there was an issue that
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  Speaker 4: I had with my blood that went away, which I
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  Speaker 4: find very interesting. I still want to look into that
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more and see actually what what that was.
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  Speaker 2: But wow, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's crazy to think how are like the equilibrium
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  Speaker 1: of our brain and our body, and how all it
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  Speaker 1: takes is for a slight mishap to happen within the
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  Speaker 1: whole system for these mystical states to to like all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know you just like they say,
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  Speaker 1: you're having epileptic seizures at the same time as you're
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  Speaker 1: all so like having some kind of psychedelic state.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what that's?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say real quick, all that stuff is combined.
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  Speaker 3: I have a friend who has epilepsy. And when I
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  Speaker 3: was looking into like Robert Moreau and the Monroe institu
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  Speaker 3: and binual beats and all that stuff, I was learning
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  Speaker 3: that the way our brains perceive reality, our left brain
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  Speaker 3: and our right brain are like and they're not not synchronized,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So when you synchronize them,
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  Speaker 3: that's when you get into these expanded states of consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the same reason why some people are like
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  Speaker 3: on LSD or have like these weird like psychedelic experience.
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  Speaker 3: They'll see things like Hindu deities and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: and people are like, Okay, like the Hindus might have
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  Speaker 3: been on like some sort of hallucinogenics or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: and it could just really just be transcendental meditation, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Because it's all the same thing,
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  Speaker 3: because what you're really doing is you're synchronizing the left
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  Speaker 3: hemisphere with the right hemisphere. And that's what binual beats to.
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  Speaker 3: That's why the Monroe Institute kind of teaches you how
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  Speaker 3: to do a lucid dreaming, astral projection, remote viewing things
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  Speaker 3: of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also interesting to think how we forget
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  Speaker 1: they call it the memory hole. Our memories are so
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  Speaker 1: works that we kind of when we go through these
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  Speaker 1: altered states, then we actually project onto these weird experiences.
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  Speaker 1: Certain like you said, Hindu deities, it's like you may
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  Speaker 1: have forgotten that you read a book about these deities,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now when you're in these states,
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  Speaker 1: now you're seeing those things. But it was because of
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  Speaker 1: it's already within the subconscious realms as you're experiencing something
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  Speaker 1: that we don't know. It's very similar to what Jock
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  Speaker 1: Folet talks about, or with Carl Jung talks about, with
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  Speaker 1: these altered experiences of the ectoplasmate or these things that
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  Speaker 1: seem to come out from outside into our world, but
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  Speaker 1: really it's from the inside out into our own perceptual
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  Speaker 1: consciousness experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that.
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  Speaker 4: I think even for myself, there's just like certain things
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  Speaker 4: or symbolism or well, I should say more, I guess
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  Speaker 4: of the artwork that would go with Christianity and Catholicism
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  Speaker 4: that seemed to speak to me more after having experiences.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's due to having that as a background.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was already I was already exposed to
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  Speaker 4: that stuff prior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean, and Carl Jung
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  Speaker 1: states that exactly, Nick that until you really you should, really,
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  Speaker 1: we all should go back into the religious motifs of
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  Speaker 1: our youth and past so we could truly understand and
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  Speaker 1: unfold our on psyche, you know, because those are the
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  Speaker 1: things that are integrated into our nervous systems and we
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  Speaker 1: kind of rebel against those things, and then we can
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  Speaker 1: never as young states, we can never actually make whole
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  Speaker 1: who we are because until we make that unconscious conscious,
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  Speaker 1: we don't really understand how we experience these things in
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  Speaker 1: all the things that we do. Like the Christian motifs.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like that idea where we kind of
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  Speaker 3: have like these scripts running through our head that we
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  Speaker 3: tell ourselves all the time that we over time, we've
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  Speaker 3: just not become conscious of anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, is that what you Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, definitely, it almost is. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: I would even say, you know, maybe Judith and Brandon,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about you because I don't know about
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  Speaker 4: your practices or whatever, but just from listening to them,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you do shadow work and stuff, I
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  Speaker 4: even think that, like you, if you go back far enough,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost as if like you're going to start. Like
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people will kind of like
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  Speaker 4: think that the apps on the phone is everything that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of controlling you. If you were to look at
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  Speaker 4: being in a program, and that's to an extent for sure,
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  Speaker 4: but what about the operating system that's actually running all
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  Speaker 4: those apps in the background.
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  Speaker 2: You still got to get to that motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 4: And that's that's stuff that you forget about that's been
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  Speaker 4: so ingrained in you, or it doesn't need to be remembered.
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  Speaker 2: It just controls everything ready.
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  Speaker 5: But that's a level of self honesty and self accountability
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  Speaker 5: that a lot of people have trouble taking. That's why
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to for many people to put the two together.
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  Speaker 5: To understand the big picture what's going is a shame
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  Speaker 5: is to understand the big picture, what's going on within ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's exactly and that actually the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: you guys. It reminds me of what Prometheus Rising is about.
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  Speaker 1: What Robert Anton Wilson's worth and Timothy Leary and his
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  Speaker 1: eight Circuits of consciousness is that like the analogy of
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  Speaker 1: the software hardware, that's exactly what you're talking about, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: is that the software, these eight circuits of consciousness, it's
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  Speaker 1: the robot they just run without us knowing about it.
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  Speaker 1: And the hardware is this body, nervous system, brain interconnection
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  Speaker 1: with the world. But again, these are just words and
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  Speaker 1: metaphors for how we are embodied beings. And until we
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  Speaker 1: start doing these practices, these things will run our lives.
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  Speaker 1: And control it, and this is exactly and then bringing
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  Speaker 1: in the conspiracy, the dystopian nature of these things. This
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  Speaker 1: is what the dark sorcerers know, right. Edward Burney's the
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  Speaker 1: father of propaganda is the grandson of Freud, who you
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  Speaker 1: know who truly wrote the book for the subconscious it's
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  Speaker 1: super ego. And so it's like to know that we're
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  Speaker 1: being completely controlled at all times. And it's not doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have anything to do with the conscious mind, it's how
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  Speaker 1: do you tap into the subconscious mind and then every
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  Speaker 1: all the layers underneath that. Carl Ung states that we
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  Speaker 1: are a myriad of like basically personas and different psychologies
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  Speaker 1: within our own mental structures, and we're continually acting these
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  Speaker 1: things out. So it's like who is Nick or who
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  Speaker 1: is Judith? Who is Brandon? It's like Brandon is a
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  Speaker 1: myriad of psychosis is at all times almost until yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my practice and I'm able to harmonize these things to
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  Speaker 1: balance them out so I can be whole in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it gets back into like psychedelics and plant medicine
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, because the reason why that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff is so successful is because it forces you
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  Speaker 3: into the shadow work. It forces you to the core
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  Speaker 3: of who you are, and it does make you communicate
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  Speaker 3: with your subconscious, so you can address those programs that
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  Speaker 3: are kind of running beneath the surface, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. LSD is A is A is A. It's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a neuroprogramming drug. Which is then why you
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  Speaker 1: know MK ultra CIA and everybody was using those things,
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  Speaker 1: is because it gets underneath the hardware system into the
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  Speaker 1: software and can help Then you can reprogram.
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  Speaker 3: People using trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, trauma based mind control.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say that works, works exactly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I did enough to prove that works. Yeah, Steele, you
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  Speaker 4: did mention the Gateway tapes or the Gateway experiments. Have
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  Speaker 4: you ever have you ever tried any of the tapes
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  Speaker 4: or anything yourself?
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I was actually doing a Focus fifteen not
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  Speaker 3: too long ago, which oh okay, end of like no time.
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  Speaker 3: I had a guest on my show not too recently
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  Speaker 3: called her name is Corey Muafo, and she's like part
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  Speaker 3: of like the Bloodstone Network and all those stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: she likes skywatches and stuff like that. She does like meditations,
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  Speaker 3: and she was saying one time that she had done
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  Speaker 3: this focused fifteen meditation, and then she met like her
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  Speaker 3: future self and like her past self, and like she
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  Speaker 3: was like really trying to start a family, and then
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  Speaker 3: she saw that her future self had kids. So it
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  Speaker 3: was like a full circle moment that came, like was
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  Speaker 3: really reassuring for her. So I had done that same meditation,
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  Speaker 3: and then I had gone in and I had a
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  Speaker 3: very similar thing happened to me where I met my
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  Speaker 3: past self and I had dealt with like some things
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  Speaker 3: with trauma and stuff like that, and there was like
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  Speaker 3: some apologies to the self that happened, like things of
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  Speaker 3: that nature. It was very therapeutic and like spiritual things
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  Speaker 3: of that nature, you know what I mean. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've really been trying to get into like astral projection.
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  Speaker 3: I've lucid dreamed a few times. But that was the
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  Speaker 3: reason why I was so interested in the Monroe Ins too.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, like I've done like a few of the
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  Speaker 3: tapes and stuff like that, but I haven't done fully
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  Speaker 3: like the whole program and stuff like that. But it
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  Speaker 3: is a really good aid for meditation because though I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you guys know or not, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 3: sure you do. But the way barneul beats works is
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  Speaker 3: they put one frequency in one ear in the frequency
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  Speaker 3: in the other, and when your brain listens to it,
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  Speaker 3: it consolidates it too, and it plays a frequency that's
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: not even playing in your headphones, and it's somehow it
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: helps to expand your consciousness. So yeah, I've done like
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: a few of the gay Weight tastes, but I haven't
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: done the whole program.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: I think you might have made it even father than
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I did. I think I only did like three or
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: four tapes in and I had already started noticing, Like
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: for me, whenever I've you know, I've only had this
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: experience full times. It was just like a certain thing
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: that happens over and over again, and I already noticed
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: that happening very quickly.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So I was like, this.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Obviously will get me there faster than I've been used
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: to on my own.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's definitely doing something.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: And yeah, the binarial what do you think of, Brandon,
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: What do you think about the binarial stuff?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Because I've used that a lot myself too.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I think two things. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: think it really works when you're actually using the correct
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: program on the computer. I think if you go to
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: YouTube and you're just listening to buy Newnaro beats, it
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: actually is a placebo effect and doesn't actually do what
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: it says it's doing. And that's because of the recording
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that you're getting from, say a YouTube recording isn't actually
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: getting all of the different activities that connects to the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: different aspects of the brain. Because I've actually been into
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: when I lived in Boulder multiple times. I did whole
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: sequences at a place that goes through the whole thing,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and they connect all the nodes to your head as
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: at the same time as you have the headphones on,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and it's connected to a computer that is solely just
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: for binaral beats. And so it's because you need all
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the different nodes connected to the different temporal the lobes
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of the brain. So then the beats actually know what
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to give you for frequencies. So because the idea is
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that it's harmonizing the different aspects of in different frequencies
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of the brain. And so yeah, and it wasn't cheap,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: but it was quite effective because the idea is that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: due to the stressors and the different hormones and your
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: different systems, your brain is really like, like you'll get
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to the idea is not only to take you into
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: different rest relaxation states, but it's to help balance out
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and reorganize your brain structure so that you can actually
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: make change and long term change in your world. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so it's really good for people that have many different
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: mental disorders and diseases and different things like that, because
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of it comes down to is your brain
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: running properly and doing the correct functions that is going on.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So again, it's like I think that I used to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: listen to YouTube buy neurobats and different things on Spotify
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and stuff all the time, and I was like, oh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: this is helping, and it may be actually helping, but
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it's not doing what by neural beats is supposed to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be doing with the full system of putting it all
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: over and actually measuring it and giving you what your brain.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Needs, not just custom experience customer experience.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And it kind of leads me into like the difference
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: between pop astrology and traditional astrology, where pop pap astrology
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: is this broad scope of a placebo effect that's not
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: really real, and that's kind of my hatred of pap astrology,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: especially with Kaiva and with all her studies and everything
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: she does. It's like her and I are continually trying
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to be like guys, pop astrology is nonsense, And just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: because you're like a fucking Sagittarius or ares like sun sign,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that actually doesn't mean anything because you and everyone else
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in the world has that has that same month. But
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: if you can get down to the exact time and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: get you a whole diagram of exactly where everything, all
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: your houses are, and all the whole birth chart, now
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: this is specific for you, not just specific for you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and a million other people that were born in that month.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: It's just like the binuro beats. Now this is specific
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to you, your brain, how your brain was born into
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this world, and where you're at right now on this planet.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's interesting.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Not to get off the topic, but a Jamie pull
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: and Lamb just recently something on substack and I was
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: checking it out. I didn't read too much of it,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: but pretty much the same thing you were saying, Brandon.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: He was even saying if you were going to go
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: by like one sign, he says, I forget which one
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: it was, but he says, I wouldn't even use the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: sun sign. If you're really going to try to tell
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: people your behavior or you're you know who they're dealing with.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: He says, that's how screwed up pop astrology is is
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: that people don't even realize.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That I read that same article actly.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know what I'm talking about that right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: your rising sign is because that's based upon your time.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So unless you if you're not going off with the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: whole chart, Okay, that's that's fine. It's like, but if
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go off of something, it's like, your rising
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: sign is at that exact moment, you know. And if
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Kiva were here, she'd be all like, it's because of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: numbers and math and astronomy and stuff like that. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I listen as much as I can. That's why we
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: have for her here and on when she comes on
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it is because she can fucking go deep into it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And even right now, she's doing an expot at a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: market and people come up and they ask her the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: same questions and she doesn't very nicely where she tells
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: them it's like, well, just so you know, and then
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: she lays it out there very seamlessly, and so it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: a It's a really important thing because the syop of
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: pop astrology is is what then gives the occult and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the magical scene a bad name. And I even try
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to talk shit about Manly p Hall at certain times.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: As much as I love his work, he kind of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was sy opped into the twelve you know, you know
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the twelve different signs, and you are this this or
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: this or that, and it's like, well, not really man Manly,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but he can't get it all right. You know, his
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: work is brilliant, and.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Get cut him a little slack.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: At least flack work is brilliant.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: No, actually there's all There is certain certain stuff that
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: he has put out that I actually think people don't
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: even realize what he's saying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the last key's a freemasonry is one of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the I I have read that like six times, and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I've cried like three times while listening to it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: While reading it, I could see that I could see that. Yeah,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: so that's cool that you tried that that tape. Judiths,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you have you ever done binarial stuff?
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Done it?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yet?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: No?
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: I have not because I feel certain things like that,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: like Brandon said that you do have to go to
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: a certain professional and you have to. I feel it
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: has to be done right. I try not to jump
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: on the mass produce because well, I mean, it has
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: its plus and minuses. In my opinion, Yes, it could
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: open up the door for someone else to have a
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: new technique to try, but like Brandon was mentioning, the
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: in depth individual aspect of it may be lost. So
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I'd rather do it with a professional to get the
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: full effect than the surface effects. If that makes sense.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, makes complete sense to me.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: And I'm totally guilty of using YouTube and the Apple
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: podcasts in Spotify.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Well it's where the resources are. Like up until Brandon
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: said it, I didn't know I could go to an
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: institute and actually get it done right though. I was
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: put out there for you to try on your own.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: And the mind is a very delicate thing, and you
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: may you may think you know your mind, but those
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: little things like you guys mentioned LSD, not everybody could
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: use LSD.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Not be pleasurable. I actually don't recommend it as much
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: as I've used it in my life, and it's actually
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: right to get me toward a map. You know. It's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like I am. I am one lucky man where many
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: times I've used it high dosages. I shouldn't be here
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with the sound mind that I have. Second was just scary, man,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: not even scary. They're dangerous. They're dangerous. And I was
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a part of the hippie electronic jam scene for a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: long time, and it was like I watched so many
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I think Crowley says, he calls it the wanderers of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the waste. It's like there are many brothers and sisters
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of ours that I've seen get lost in the in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the grand desert, wanderers of the waste. They burn out.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And it goes back to what you initially were saying,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Stilo about your Coundalini experience. Is that the reason the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: yogi's and the you know, the Jewish mystics and just
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: people like they say, you have to be forty years old,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you have to own a business, you have to have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a family, you have to be grounded, and you have
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: already needed to study these things for a long time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: The yogis will bring you through the a limbs of yoga,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: right Yama, Ni yama, asana, prana yama. And now that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you've built your body and your temple into away your
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: nervous system so it can actually withstand the amount of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: light energy whatever in whatever term you know, so you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: don't burn your nervous system, because it's about the nervous system, right,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's like without the nervous system being able to be
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: grounded and in control, it's so easy to burn out.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And that's why the term burnout is real. It's like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you're a burnout, bro. You've burnt out your entire nervous
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: system and now you can't make sentence structures anymore to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: make people actually understand I've been there. Yeah, then I've
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: been there. You know. It's like I know what it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: like to all of a sudden be like I can't.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Even talk as fast as the thoughts are coming in.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, And what are the what's the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: point of these experiences if we can't transmit them to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: others and speak about it in a way that makes
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: sense that we can then give our experience as credence
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to the normal individual who may never have these experiences
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: because they are esoteric experiences.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: M Uh.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: The one thing I STEALO, so you are like, actually,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I guess you. I mean I use the word I guess.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: People can call it plenty of other things but you
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: are actually kind of like interested in you study that
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: stuff yourself besides being a conspiracy podcast.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, just a little different.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yet.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I have a few buddies that are like Masons and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Rosicrusions and stuff like that. I'm not in any of
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: those groups or anything like that. I consider myself like
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a self initiate, you know what I mean. So I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: super interested in all of it. I think that's why
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm friends with most of those guys.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, oh of course, yeah, no, I get it. No,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: it's just very interesting just from my experience. It's just
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I know, like a lot of sometimes conspiracy shows, uh,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: you know, I guess they don't think.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I guess as you would normally.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like one free Mason unless they have
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: a podcast, you know, then the free Mason's okay. If
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: they have a podcast and it can get them views,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: that's okay. But then they'll shit on anybody. You know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: every Mason's fucking a kid somewhere in a temple, you
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: know a lot.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, or like you know, not even knocking it. Again,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not the one who has the problem with the religion.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: They seem to just have a problem with the cult.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: This even a lot of Christian podcasts. I'm just like
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: they would not. I don't think entertained the occult like
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: you're doing as a conspiracy podcast.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're a Christian.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people, I think a lot of
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: people fear what they don't understand.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That's that's what I keep saying.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well I was listening a little bit to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: your episode with the Girl from the Eastern Star, and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: you guys made a point, so I forget who said it,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: but they were saying like, yeah, I used to think
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: this is knowledge should be for everybody, but then they
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: were saying, it's too complex for people to understand. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: that's why I think the disconnect between Hitler and Blovotski
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: came from, because he had this whole obsession with her
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: writings and stuff like that, and then all of a
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: sudden he's like, oh, Arian race, Arian races is that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And it's like, that's not even what she was talking
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: about with the Arian route races and stuff like that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, that's why I think they
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: have that phrase, you can't cast pearls before swine, because
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: not everybody is really going to pick up on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: esoteric info as opposed to just being able to pick
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: up the exoteric you know what I mean.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: And you know what I I think. Then when those
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: swine decide to tell everybody else what those pearls mean,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that's what fucks everything up.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that's profaning against the sacred, those uninitiated
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: individuals who don't understand the symbols for what they're you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the symbol for the arkana for the mystery that is
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: trying to because it's ineffable experiences that like put themselves
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: through the mysteries and we understand them through the symbolic
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: nature of our own reality. And it's like, if you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: don't haven't done the research of the study and the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: practices to understand what these things actually mean, you're just
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: repeating nonsense like an NLP, like like an NPC.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: That could be why these mystery schools through antiquity have
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: just become so watered down, because I think the process
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: for initiation used to be much more refined, finding people
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: who would understand it and really putting people through who
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: would actually help keep the eye going as opposed to
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: just having it be like some port of political party
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: or just some underground society that just gets things done
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: in the community and things like that, you know what
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, Which is why I think through time, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: when you get to the Freemasonic lodges now and stuff
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: like that, which is why I think a lot of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: them have a bad rap because they got some bad
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: apples come through. People don't understand the knowledge and then
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: just people using their their power and its structure for
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you know evil.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: You know, do you think it's not understanding the knowledge
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: or refusing to understand them there's a difference between the two.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Could so, well, what's biggieback on that? It could be
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: understanding the knowledge and then using it for self gain
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: or using it for the wrong reasons, you know what
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I mean. So it could be a myriad of those
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: things I think. But yeah, yeah, all three.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: That's a good point though, even once once you start
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: kind of coming into you know, I think at one point,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: like when you really start getting into this ship, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: especially if you have your own experiences to do, like
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: your own shadow work, you'll start to get an idea,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: like everybody's mind pretty.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Much works the same.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: You just maybe people have buttons you have to hit
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: a little bit harder to get them to work.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: But humans all pretty much.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you got to find the right fear, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you can get the right you know, you know, or
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: feed into somebody's desires and you can manipulate them. I do,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: you know, I do think you're making a good point,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: you know, after a magical experience for me, and I'll
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: even keep it real. This is one of the reasons
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: why I mean, there's a few reasons why I haven't
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: gone like really crazy with this stuff is because I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: was even thinking in my head, like how many times
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: after I have these experiences, am I going to keep
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: going with the right decision to not take advantage of
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: people from having it?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, if I do it ten times, am I
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: going to be successful at that? Or you know, it
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: might even fuck you up physically and mentally. I don't know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: but like you know, I'm getting it's just that, you know, eventually,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: one time, who's to say, I'm not gonna open up
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: my eyes and be like you know what, I think
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a piece of shit and actually try
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to make money. So this and that a billy, These motherfuckers,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's like you know, I've.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Nick. And I think that's what's so
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: important about the actual practice that's rooted in a tradition
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: or lineage, as much as at times I think traditional
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: lineages get shit on, is that the idea is that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the virtue or the ethics and the moral structures are
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: implanted there, and that's what the metaphors are for, that's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: what the mythology is for. And so once you understand
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the mythological stories of what it means to be a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: dark sorcerer in comparison to somebody who is a hero
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: on their journey and they're trying to bring back knowledge
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to their village, it's that you, upon the journey of
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the great work, you are alchemizing yourself. You're going through
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the alchemical process which is hopefully going to, if done correctly,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: burn away all of that that dead ash that leaden self,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the mundane part of you that would want to take
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: advantage of people. And so I think that is is
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: kind of what is the difference in why I despise
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the lower magic users of the kind of nonsensical witchcraft
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: pagan magical community out there who do spell work and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: these types of things. And I'm not saying don't do
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: your spell work, don't do, don't do, don't not do
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: your sigils. But the idea is that why I like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: talking to Alan Chapman so much, and I do recommend
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: everyone going over to my Alan Chapman interview because he's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: he's really good at he came from the chaos magic
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: scene and realize that it's like, why did Peter go
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Carol take away the great work? Why why take away
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the understanding that the divine is within this? If we
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: can get away and uncover these things and allow truth
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to be unveiled and unconcealed to us, and truth unconceals
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: itself to us when we go along the path of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the divine, and then all of the low magic stuff
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: we do is actually you don't even need to do it,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: because the great work itself is going to you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: magnetize yourself towards the things that the spell work would do,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: or say you want a better partner, say you want
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: more money, say you want these things. Well, the great work,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: once you start going through the process of actually going
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: through the magical unfoldment of alchemy. You will then hopefully
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: magnet you. You can magnetize yourself, you become the person
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that you want to be with, and that person then
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is then comes into your spheres. Then the job that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you want comes into your spheres because the universe is
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: working for you instead of you having to yeah, instead
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of you having to manipulate other people. Which is then
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: my problem with NLP, as a few people put up
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: brought up in the in the in the comments, is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that NLP is a manipulation for manipulation's sake. It's it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: fine tuning these things instead of having what magic is
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: for all. And if we're going off the victims of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Crowley is that you know, every man and every woman
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is a star, you know, do without wilt, But no
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: one's saying love. You know, you know, do what that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: will shall be the whole of the law. Love is
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the law right, that idea of attraction and love and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: understanding the mysteries through the ineffable instead of the other half,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: which is like that sith dark sorcerer nonsense that I'm like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: what are you? You're karma? Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: is like, you're karma you're fucked in the future, you
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: It's like, I feel like that's a lot why kabala
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: it's a bad rap be you understand, like the tree
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: of life, When you're traversing the tree of life to
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: ascend it, you're basically like going through the virtues and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: refining the human spirits. Yes, Adam Kataman so to speak,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: so you can be back in union with the Godhead
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and whatnot. But what a lot of these people do
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: when they're learning these modalities and stuff like that, especially
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: like clip off initiation and stuff like that, they're using
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: it for self service, as you mentioned, as opposed to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: aligning your free will with God's will, which is why
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people will research kabbala, get
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: in a slight understanding for it, see what other people
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: are doing with it, and then just call the whole
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: thing egal evil synagogue of say, and when the actual
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: practice of it is to refine the human spirit, like
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you said, you know what I mean?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great. I completely agree.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I have a question, because you guys mentioned it earlier
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: for everyone here, do you think those misfarious and abusive
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: thoughts and misuse of spell work as nick, but it
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: is due to not being grounded, not having that grounding force,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: because like you guys said earlier, there's a reason why
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: you have to be a certain age, you have to
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: have certain responsibilities to help ground you here before you
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: start playing around in the ethers so to sleep.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Also too. The way I like to explain it is,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: you know, there is if there's a right hand path,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: there's a left hand path. There's a left hand path
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: for a reason as well. And there was someone saying
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: on my I said to someone on my posts, like
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: you could take the left hand path, but they both
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: lead to sword and the left hand path is going
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: to be much much, much more longer, probably a lot
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: more stressful too. And I think like the way I
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: think like clip off the initiation, it's like almost like
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the way someone described it to me, it's like you're
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: like bringing yourself down into the desks so you can
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: get sling shot sling shot at back up, you know
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: what I mean. So it's almost like you're bringing on
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: all this bad karma in order for your spirit to
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: have to absolve it, you know what I mean, which
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: is where you're supposed to end up. Which is why
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people who do like left
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: hand path magic dark magic, they don't realize that their
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: life is going to be so shit because it's supposed
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to end up being shipped, so you can end up
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: returning back to source, you know what I mean, Which
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: is why I think people like Alistair Crowley had like
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: a trajectory like he had, you know what I mean?
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: If that makes sense?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: No, No, I can see that I still have troubles with
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the definitions of this left hand path right hand path
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: thing that I don't really quite understand all the time.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I think Judith to like, that's a great question, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's really important that it's like somebody asked me.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I have some students and they ask me in martial
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: arts students and I personally integrate whether they know it
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: or not, and I tell them so they they've consented
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: whether they know or not. Is that like magic and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: martial arts can be integral because it's both an alchemical pathworking,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: whether it's external or internal. And I think that you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: doing it together no matter what. But the idea is
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that until you know yourself, until you actually and you
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: don't even it's like, what does it mean to know yourself?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: You know, do you ever know yourself? These are the questions.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, until you can finally get to the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: place in your life where you're like, I actually don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: know who I am, and I must confront my own despair, anxiety,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and angst. And when I can, when I can finally
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: say that and actually start confronting that, and then I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: can start to understand where where do where are my
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: value structures coming from? Are they coming from outside of myself?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Are they coming from these expedient means, all these things
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: out here that I'm trying to make make myself worth from.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Or am I finally realizing yes, that's what I was doing,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And now I want to find someplace to Then, as
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: judithat are saying, I'm gonna, I want to root myself
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and ground myself. And then the Daoists like in my
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Taichi practice with my students and are like, we must
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: sink our energy. It's called a sinking practice because once
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I can sink my breath and my energy into my gut,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: into the furnace of the danteanne, then I can root
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: myself into something and then I can build everything from that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: But I find that the magical community and the you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the religious community and all these people. They want to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: go up here right away. They want to go into
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the higher supernols, into Heaven, they want to go into
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the higher thoughts. And I'm like, you've built your higher
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: thinking on a house of cards, and until you build
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a foundation for yourself to actually grow from, which means
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you have to actually ask the hard questions about who
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: am I? And what am I doing? And am I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: As we started this whole thing off on Stilo is
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: talking about the stories am I only? And one of
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies I Hurt Huckaby, I heard Huckabies? And
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, how am I not myself? How am I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: not myself? And you've got to continue asking that question?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Is like, what are the stories that I continually tell myself?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Are they true? Have I lied to myself this whole time?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Am I stuck in some kind of cognitive dissonance where
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden the reality of my words and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the reality of my actions don't line up? And then
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: have I also gotten stuck in this thing called naive
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: realism where I think that or I think that my
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: perceptions are actually the experience has had instead of just
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: understanding them as they are. My perceptions are just that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm never actually ever experiencing reality for what it is,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: but only perceiving the my perceived perception of an actual
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: perceived object. And so it's like, and that's how we
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: get into operation mindful, where I'm all like, I'm all
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: over the place now and I need to ground myself.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important to ground yourself in physical
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: reality before jumping up to like the sopranos, like you said,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: because because I think a lot of the people a
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: lot of the reason why we get people who do
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: such like a hardcore switch from like occultism back to
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: like their general spirituality like Christianity or something like that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Like take like Cat von Diefer instance, she was super
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: into like making her own tarot deck and like all
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: these candles and you know, occultism and stuff like that,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: and then she's hardcore Christianity. It's probably because these people
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: are having mystical experiences without having any groundwork within the
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: physical world where they're building this system where like you said,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: your nervous system can actually take this light that's going
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to enter it when you enter these mystical states.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I've actually blamed that whole situation on Kanye West's religious things.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Actually that's the same thing. No, No, I'm just saying, like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I think he's an occultist, and I think he has
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: experiences all all of a sudden his thoughts, like, but Jesus,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And I think that's kind
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: of like a way of him neither dealing with it
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: or whatever.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Well, and then by the cat d
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: thing is, I want to state that I think what
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: happens is people are slingshotting themselves into one extreme into
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the other. And so she was rebelling against the religion
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of her past, and she went so far into this witchcraft,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like extreme anti like religious structures, and then
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: she found that that wasn't giving her what she wanted.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And so now she's slingshot it to the other side
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: where she's so evangelical Christian and she's going to completely
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: like conform to whatever. The next thing is where she's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: now friends with Jay Dyer, who's one of the biggest
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: grifter orthodox bros that you know in the world, and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the man's a fucking moras.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I got to check this guy out.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I just it sucks because I used to support him,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but he has made a shift over the last how
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: many years into he's lying because if you're an Orthodox Christian,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you are an occultist. And I don't give up what
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you say, like the Christos, Jesus Christ is an occult force,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: no matter if you believe he's the one and true
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: only son of God or what whatnot. All these religions
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: are occult because occult just means hidden forces. And so
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: it's like they're all using hidden forces to structure their
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: rituals and ceremonies. And now you're gonna try to tell me,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: especially if you believe in the Trinity, that you're not
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: understanding that the Trinity is projecting down the one True
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: God into one man. And how did he get those
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to begin with? Especially if you're talking about some kind
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of like virgin birth. It's just the you know, like
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: parthenogenesis right like it's it's it's completely and not are crazy.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It's funny you bring that up because I was thinking
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: about it earlier, and I was thinking like, how you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of Jews say like Jesus was a Jew,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: he preested a tour and stuff like that, and I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: thinking like Old Testament, New Testament, like okay, like what
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Jesus was probably doing. He probably learned the mystical tradition
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: of Kabbalah, and he probably was teaching it in his
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: own way, because it's kind of like the same thing
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that you were just explaining now, how Christianity is itself
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: like a form of mysticism occultism. But back in the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: day it had got so far twisted and distorted that
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: it became like this, how do you say it? Like
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: polytheistic kind of like worshiping like not the right things
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And once he came onto the scene,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: he was probably like, Oh, no, you guys are getting
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: the teachings all wrong. It's more like this, you know
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: what I mean. So it's kind of like what's happening
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: today like within the church where people are kind of
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: like taking these teachings and misinterpreting them, and a lot
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: of people, like especially within like the New Age community,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: that actually get it. They're kind of like, oh no,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Jesus was actually saying this, you know what I mean.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: So I kind of feel like there's kind of like
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: some sort of parallel there, if you will.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the whole situation with the swines, the
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: pro before swins, same situation. I guarantee you at some point,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: at some times there was probably some shit worth listening
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: to and experiencing the churches. And eventually, because the uninitiated,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: they'll probably always be more of those than the initiated. Yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, they just end up just you know, I
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: think it just always happens like that until the numbers
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: start to balance out better.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Well, no, you're completely right, And I mean that's what
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: esoteric means. It's for a select few, and the exoteric
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: is for the masses. And so it's like the esoteric
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: will always be for the select few, because many are called,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and but few will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And that's because to go through the hard work, go
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: through the alchemical journey, it's not easy, and you have
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to confront your own neurosises, your own psychosis, you have
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to confront your own dark side. And until you understand
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that you are the monster that you hate on the outside,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you are the monster that you fear at night, that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: until you do that, you can never actually come to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the terms with that. I can actually be the hero
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: on my journey. That's the only way to have courage.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's like you can't have courage in any other way
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: until you realize that you are the bad guy, you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and a guy of the same journey.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Steel though you also, Judith, did you have
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: something you wanted to ask?
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: No?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, yes, I know.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Uh, you're in ta Kabbala correct a little bit?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice? Nice in Taro Yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I'm writing a book between on the connection
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: between the two. It's more of like a beginner's understanding,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and it's I feel like it's more of like a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: documentation of me discovering like how the two systems are created,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I figured like if
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I'm if I'm discovering this knowledge for myself, I might
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: as well put in the book formatt and try to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: put it out, you know what I mean?
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think that's Uh.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I highly suggest to use Taro on the cabalistic Tree
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: of life. You know, it's even just just to look
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: at it like that at some point.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the when you figure out that the four
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: minor Ocanna suits and the major Trumps are actually five
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: stories within themselves. As far as that even like the
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: major Econa, like the fool's journey. You can see that
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: it gets actually mapped out on the Tree of Life,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and then you see like the places that are correspond to,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: like the meanings and the archetypes that are actually within
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: the cards and stuff like that. And then also your
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: past that you start to see, like you know, the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: tree of life symbolism and like some of the minor
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: oconna suits and stuff like that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean to understand that the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you know, to understand that's the syncretic understanding of the
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Hermetic Kabbala, right, that all these things. What's fascinating is
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: this is to state how it is us humans who
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: are the pattern creators and recognizers, and so that a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: lot of Jewish mystics, I think when you guys had right, right, Nick,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: when you had justin Sledgron, he actually doesn't like that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: stuffy He's all like, you know, he They're not like
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the actual the actual, right, the actual rabbis and Jewish
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: mystics who are only practicing Jewish Kabbala, they don't see
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it that way. But then when you get to more
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: of the Hermetic cabbalists myself included a Lefis Levy, right,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: in his rituals and Dogma and his Book of High Magic.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: He's he's the guy who helped really syncretize the system
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of placing the twenty two you know, Major o'cona on
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the paths and the ten Seffarra with the ten core
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: cards in the whole structure. Fascinating enough. I think it's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: what's really important is to understand how it's the the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: phantasmag oric, the imagination, right, that's that is where this
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: all stems from. And like, yeah, but it's it's more
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: than that though, and I don't want to and I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: think that's my problem with when I hear you say
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: mentalism and you may not be saying the steelo. So
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: this isn't a dig on you. So it's my dig
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: on the the Kabbalion and the fucking three Initiates. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: because that's just and that's again no dig on you either.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's after after yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And it's because he's a white guy who made this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: ship up. You know. It's like he calls himself an adept,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but really that's not a hermetic and so that's where
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: my because it's not an and a lot of people
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: think it's like part of the hermetic tradition, and it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: really not. It's it's a.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Before maybe.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: The reason why I like it, especially because I read
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it like very early on my initiation journey, is because
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: like these concepts that it presents you, if you can
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: understand those concepts, you can understand a lot of concepts
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that are presented to you, like when you get like
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: deeper into the cult traditions. Is like that, especially like
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you know, like the principal polarity. That's why I brought
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: up like the principal of mentalism, because I'm a big
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: proponent in the fact that all this stuff is like
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: happening through your mind, your imagination. That's why when you
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: said the word imagination, that's why I brought that up.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Love that, No, I know exactly what you mean. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: then so I'm gonna take it one step further. I'm
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: going to add on to what you're saying. And so
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: my issue with pan psychism is is why when I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: hear just straight mental in mind is my problem is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: why I love Heidegger and why I despise the Enlightenment
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: period and Cartesianism, is that when we fall too far
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: into the mind body dichotomy and dualism. We there becomes
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a schism that falls suit into this huge philosophical problem
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and lack of embodiment. And so when we think everything
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: is mind, we forget that it's not. Everything is mind body.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Everything is an embodied experience of our of our of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: of us enacting in the world. And so we are
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: first actually just just just being in the world. And
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: then we can break things into understanding that the mind
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: is there. Because I do agree that we it is
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: first the idea. It is first the imagination, and then
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: everything stems forth from that in creation. Yeah, yeah, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: so it's just it's small little things, but it's I
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: think it's really important because once we understand that, it's like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I don't experience the world is my mind separate from
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: my body. I actually experience it together, and then my
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: mind kicks in and now it's the second order existence
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: where I can state that I can break things down
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: into my mind, and I can break things down into
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: how the body works and you know, what the tools
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: are made out of and whatnot.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: So I think the idea was put forth, especially why
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's good for like beginners and stuff like that,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: because that's that's from a very like complex understanding. But
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I think the idea is put forth from because a
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: lot of people are just they think the external world
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and just the physical body is what they identify with.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: So I think that's why that principle holds a lot
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: of value for beginners and stuff like that. But to
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: bring it back to the Tarot, it's cool because the
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: major Arcana when you look at itself, like as the
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: hero journey and stuff like that, Especially when I'm putting
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: forth in my book, it's like major macrocosm. Microcosm is
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: not only a story of the individual self, but it's
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: also a story as the universe, you know what I mean.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: So when you look at like the fools card less,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: like the zero, it's like kind of like the beginning
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: of the universe, like pure potential and stuff like that,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: But that could also mean pure potential new beginnings for
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: like the self as an individual, new job, new relationship,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: things like that, you know what I mean, which is
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: why I think, you know, that's why I love Tarot
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: and it's connection to mysticism, have.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: You and Alan Moore's Promethea Not yet, I highly recommend
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that to be on the top of your list, because
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: he really talks about how the major arcana going from
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: zero to twenty zero to twenty two. Right, this whole
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: experience of the twenty two major arcana is an experience
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: of the individual, and then he maps it out on
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: how it's the actual experience of us going through our
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: universe as it unfolds through different states of consciousness. It's fascinating.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, nice, nice, And is a comic book series.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a graphic novel. Yeah, it's one of
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the greatest out there. It's my It's at the top,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: at the top of my cannon.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I'll check that out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Judith, what are you you attribute to Taro
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: with with Cabala and stuff like that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, to me, they go hand in hand. So I
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: don't see how they could be seen separate, especially if
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: you're looking into the past a sex, especially because they
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: have the correspondence with the major kanas. I am interested.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: Castillo did mention where the minor arcanas fit in there too,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: and his outlook on that when he expand on that
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: in his book.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: As far as the minor arkanas, So when you look
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: into I don't know how much you know about the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Tree of life and the ten stuff Froth. So the
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: idea is that you have the four worlds in Kabbala,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: which is uh, which are supposed to kind of correspond
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: with the minor Arcona suits. So I don't know the
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Hebrew names for him, but it's they correspond with like
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the classical.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: Elementary likes water which is cups, swords which is air,
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: and pinnacles which is earth, and these are supposed to
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: correspond with kind of like the spiritual body, the mental body,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: the emotional body, and the physical body.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: So when you correspond like the four worlds with four suits,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: you start to see that once you have like the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: ten cars, like the one through ten minor Arcana, you
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: can see that they're kind of attributed to like the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: seph Ross. So when you get like to the seph
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Roth one, you're basically putting like card one, and each
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: card is like like let's say, Ace of cups all
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. It's like new beginning in physical
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: reality or new beginning in mental reality, or new beginning
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: in your spiritual body and things like that. So when
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: you map it to these different correspondences on the chart,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you can see that they kind of have like the
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: same kind of like meanings or correspondence or our archetypal
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: energies and stuff like that. And once you start to
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: understand this system on like a different side, it's much
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: easier to learn the deck in the cards, you know
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Because a lot of people think that
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: they're going to be learning seventy eight different cards. But
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: in my system, in my book, I'm going to be
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: teaching you that you're going to learn it not only
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: in five different stories, but you're going to be seeing
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: like the numerological and the cabalistic correspondences to each card
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: and each archetype. You know what I mean.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: You have you read the Mystical Kabbala by the Unfortune?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Have not? I'm having to put on my list.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: If you're writing that book. She wrote the book already
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and it's called The Dealing Fortune. Just so you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: not that you shouldn't write your book, but I think
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that I think that is an.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen this, I've seen this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: So you the High Magic by Elphis Levy, the Unfortune
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: that Mysical Gobala. Read both these books and then that
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: will give your book way more substance, not that it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: not already. I just think those two are really important
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and if you want to try to get your book
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: out to the like the Colt community, Western esoteric community,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: those two are Yeah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: What was the other one by.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: That's it's called high magic.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I've heard of that one a few times.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: To look up even practical Kabbalah Garrison Knight.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that has the paths in it. Not many
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: books do the pants Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the pastor just equally as important. Yeah, yeah, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: was actually when I was reading the Emerald Tablets of
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Filthy Atlantean, which a lot of people have like a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: different opinion on that and whatnot, which I don't I
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: think as far as like those kinds of texts are,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: you don't really throw the baby out with the bath water.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I don't really think he went to some pyramid and
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: found some fucking stone, and that's where I think he
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: probably channeled this information or was probably writing esoteric information,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: like in a sacred text format. But anyways, nonetheless, when
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: he's in the chapter explaining what is he called him
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: the Halls of a Mentee, he's saying like, oh, like
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: thirty two sons of light that are with man but
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: not of man. I'm like thinking, like, oh shit, twenty
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: two paths plus ten Seffaro. And then he said he's
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: being led through the halls of a mentee. And then
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: he said he's seeing all these masters, and then he
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: sees one master appear out of nowhere, and I'm like,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: oh shit, that's doth. So basically, he says, when that happens,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: he's granted like the key of immortality. And if you
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: know about like the Tree of Life and the seth Throth,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: you see that the sepharro dot is one that appears
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: within the Abyss, and that's basically given you like an
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: ego death, so you can kind of like merge with
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: the godhead all that kind of stuff, you know what
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: If you know, yeah, oh yeah, if you know, you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and if you don't know, you'll get stuck as a
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Black brother Oh shit. Yeah.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Actually Crowley does says that himself, too, does he?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hell yeah, the Black Brotherhood. Yeah yeah. If
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you're not willing to give up your your ego, you
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: cannot cross the Abyss and you'll be eaten alive by
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Chlorenzon and then you'll be stuck as a black brother
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: who hoardes knowledge. That's the idea. You have to give
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: up your knowledge so you can actually merge with true
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: knowledge which is banah, right, that understanding merging with chokma
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: of wisdom because they come together. And I think that's
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and again, so we all understand out there as the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: audience is like, this isn't just a linear path thing
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: you they all explode into the all things. It's one
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: in ten at all one times. That's as we work
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: through these things.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: And to bring it back to psychedelics and plant medicine,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: this is why when you're stripped of your ego and
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: you're doing these like plant medicine ceremonies or people have
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: bad trips. Is because like we said, like you'll you
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: were confronted with the self, you know what I mean,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: so that there's like a correspondence there, you know what
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I mean. Like if you're not willing to give up
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: like your attachment to the material, which could be in
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: the form of trauma or could be in the form
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: of you know, material desires and stuff like that, you're
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: gonna be You're gonna be lost. Basically, you're gonna have
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: a bad trip. You're gonna have a very very bad
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: time having a confrontation with your subconscious.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I want to comment to everyone knows.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Grouplets asked this out here. If I've read the Greer's
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: translation of the Doctrine Ritual of High Magic, because that's
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking to you about, the Doctrin and Ritual
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: of High Magic, because Greer did, John Michael Greer did
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: a translation, and the first translation was ed Arthur Edward
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Waits's translation to the Golden Down Magician, and so both
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: of them are good weights. Is a tough read because
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of the translation and how he writes. He's not the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: greatest writer, and so it gets a little jarballed at times.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: But Greer's translation of that is finn fantastic, and I
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: recommend both reading it. Always read things, but the Audible.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I'm I, I have a I have a big lawn,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and so I'll listen to things on Audible, and I've
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I've listened to that one on Audible as I've been
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: mowing the lawn and I've had my own epiphany epiphanies
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: lawn mowing epiphanies. While reading uh Leve's work.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: So that's probably the best time to be listening to
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff because when you're when you're doing
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: like just random task work that like doesn't really take
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: much brainwork to do, you kind of get into like
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: this meditative state works suggestive and you can take information
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: much better.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: That's why a lot of people get good ideas in
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: the shower and stuff like that.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've had brilliant ideas mowing the lawn. Let's
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: just put it that way.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: I have I have a question for everybody from the
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: chat is from homestead trad wife. She wants to know
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: what is, uh your go to book for energy work,
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: specifically healing the heart chakra.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: That's tough one hard chokra really good book, uh, Ancient
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Secrets to the Flower of Life. There's two parts to
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: this by D. Drewn vallomel Kisadic. It's super dense because
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: it's based on like years of his lectures or something
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: like that. But basically, uh, it's all about living in
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: the heart space or actually that's another book of his,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: but he teaches you that, uh, in order to basically
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: complete your marcaba, you have to basically like ank yourself
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: into your heart chakra. But that's a really good book.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: But it's very it's very complex and very left brain like,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: very logical, you know what I mean.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, stele O, that's so funny that you bring
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: that up. The Flower of Life book is like I
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: that was one of the first books I actually read.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I went to a workshop of his, and so I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I my my audience knows, and I'm actually coming out
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: with a deep dive into that with Frader because we
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: did a whole freighter RC. We did a whole talk
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: on Mayner, James Keenan and the band Tool because I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: am a high hi I'm a high priest of the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Tool Army. Whether people like that or not, it's just
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the way it is. And The Flower of Life was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: actually the book that led me on my journey. And
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I want to be one hundred percent honest, that book
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: was monumental for me, the two books in the Mirkoba
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Meditation itself. Yeah, John Vala Malkis Deck is a fucking
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: charlatan and a liar, and so that is really important
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: to know that people like, uh yeah yeah. And what
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: he came back to was that he brought up a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: book called The Flower of Life by John Volla Milkisa
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Deck and it has and my first tattoo is a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Flower of Life tattoo that I got when I was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen years old twenty years old because of that book
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: specifically and my experiences with LSD and the band too,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and that is what I had a very death. I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: died and I was reborn from that experience of listening
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: to tool album and Rosetta stoned on four hits of
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: high high dosage, high dosage of that. And so I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: completely agree that was a really that book. It does
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: it tells you to everything must be rooted in the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: heart chakra. The heart itself is a toroidal field that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: has its own electromagnetic grid around your body. Then your
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: brain also has one, but your heart is bigger in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that one. And so I think that's a really important understanding.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: But Drounvalow stole that work from Dan Winter, the Flower
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of Life syncred geometry work from Dan Winter, as well
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: as many other people, and so in that book he
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: comments Graham Hancock as well as all these other characters
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: that he's amalgamating this work from and that and he's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: a Malchisa dec because in that order. Actually, what I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: learned from Freder. I knew this before, but Freder and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I frader are Cen talked about it is that that's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: from the Alpha at Omega order in Vancouver. It's like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: its own spiritual new age or institution in Vancouver. And
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that's where Dronvalo Malkisaec went to to do those things.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And so the whole story of Drunvlow is that he
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: originally was a guy by the name of Bernard Pirona,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and he had a walk in experience of this malchisa
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Deecian order. Consciousness came into him, you know, and as
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like a budding you know, a psychonaut myself and my
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: younger twenties, late teens, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: as you know, your mind is melting and you're listening
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: to these things and whatnot. You know, it's easy to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: fall into those things. And then the more you read
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: and the more you get into the Ancients and philosophy
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and these things, you start to see it's like, okay,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: this is a lot of the stuff was taken and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: then amalgamized into this book. So he could sell courses
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and sell workshops and do these and get a whole
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: following and now now Drunvlow lives in Sodona on his
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: multi million dollar mansion on the on the on the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: bad rock of a bunch of hippies and their money
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: that he took from them. So yeah, I think a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: great I think it's hilarious that you brought that up.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: But it was a very important book.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: But again, oh yeah, absolutely, would you say, let me
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: ask you something. Would you say the same thing about
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: JJ Hurtech jj HRTech.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I know that name too.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: He's a dude that read that wrote the Book of Knowledge.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: As I have that book. That's good. Okay, I bought
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: that book. I got that book gifted to me. It's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: like a four hundred dollars book I bought. I got
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: it for like two hundred some bucks. I think that
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: that is very similar, but he's on a higher order.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I think that book's really good.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, I haven't dived. I haven't dove into it yet.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: You can buy the way. You can get it on
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: his website for like fifty books if you just go
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: to the website instead of buying it like secondhand from
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: like Admazon or something like that.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I bought Yeah, because I got a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: first edition of it, and.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: So that's why, okay, nice, nice, so expensive.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think that that book is also it's got too
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: much flowerly language and abstract words and so you know,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and so it's like one of the things where I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: think there is a lot of knowledge in there, and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I do believe in the whole we are going through
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: different veils, right the eon of Osiris into the aon
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  Speaker 1: of Horus are our earth is changing, human consciousnesses is
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  Speaker 1: moving through these paradigms and these different things. But the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: problem with it is then now it's leading a bunch
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: of kids into this idea that they don't have to
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: build their their finances, that they don't have to actually
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: build themselves into something that can give have a family,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like where you can be you know you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: need to that It goes back into you need to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: build yourself up in a way where you realize that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: you may have to pay off your student loans. I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, like you know, you know what
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I see that our world is.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Like to what you said about grounding yourself in physical reality, exactly,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: you have to ground yourself in physical reality. If not,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: it's almost like there's this neglect or this denial of
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: physical reality where you're just going to be like in
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: La la, you know what I mean. And it's very
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: is very much like those people that are just like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: you know, jobless yoga teachers, you know whatever. The next
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: thing they can muck money off of, you know, is
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's called Peter Panning. And if you forever
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: just start chasing after tinker Bell, then you will never
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: find your own you know, feminine or masculine that's there
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: to like help merge yourself. And that's what it's called.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: It's like tinker Bell is the like the outward expression
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: of porn culture. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that to get into the conspiracy side,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: do you think that's a sigh up that got kind
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: of co opted into the in the New age community?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Where do you think it's just something up within itself
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: because we can't have all these people just discovering the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: true nature of themselves, you know both.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you have delusional people and I think
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: you have people that are put here to start new
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: ideas that will take off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I hate Billy Carson. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Dude, he's yeah, he's definitely a uh what do you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: call that. There's a term for.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: It, the salesman charlatan.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's something where they put a little bit
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: of truth, but then they also put like some bullshit
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: in there too, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so funny and no it's so true. No,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: it's fascinating. But the problem is not problem. It's the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: truth because it led me, like say, like the Flower
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of Life. It led me to now with you guys.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It led me to finding people through time, and it
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: led me to my own practices, to my own integration
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: of say like Golden Dawn practice with my own ceremonial magic,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know, not just the Golden Dawn, but they got
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: their stuff from somewhere, this golden thread that Joscelyn Godwin
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: talks about, or you know, the Secret History of All
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Ages is mainly p Hall talks about. But then integrating
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: for me, like I'm a kung fu practitioner and a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: mixed martial artist, and so it's like I integrate these
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: other practices from the East into my practice because you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: know it's syncretic. It's like why why not if it
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: calls to you and if you can build it up,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: because what's what's the best way to in my mind,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: how can I defeat the Google cyborg AI robots. And
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: that's the only way is to become a Jedi myself.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: And so it's like build out my light body. That's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: what that's what Dronvilo is talking about. How do you
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: build a merkhopa which comes from Jewish mysticism, the chariot
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: that's going to help Ezekiel lead himself to the heavens exactly, Well,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: that's what the light that's what that's what we're all
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: trying to do, is try to build the light body.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: It's like the rainbow body, you know, that's the five
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: to six initiation in the Golden Dawn. It's like the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: pentagram before me and the hexagram behind me, right, Like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: that's like and it's like that.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: It's very important to have discernment at this level to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: you because when you when you mentioned Billy Carson, it
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: reminded me of like people like Depak Chopera ch Opera
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: where it's like don't throw the baby out with the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: bathwater thing because it's like there's a lot of good
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: things they have to offer about at the end of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: the day. It's like, you know, this dude in the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Epstein file talking about like girls, you know, like little
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: girls and stuff like that. So it's like, I think
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: discernment is important to when you're getting to like this
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: high level of like learning, like you know, the nature
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: of reality and esoteric knowledge and whatnot.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, for sure. And then the term that
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I was thinking of is called spiritual bypassing. It's very
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: easy to think you're you're becoming more spiritual and religious,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but really what you're doing is you're bypassing the actual work,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and you think it's spiritual and you think you're enlightened.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: You know, we all see it. There's that like dreadheaded
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: hippie girl who's like kind of like wearing this scandal's clothing,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: and yet she's like rubbing crystals all over herself, thinking
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: she's an enlightened descended master of some reptilian Arcadian race.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like that's and then people fall for that,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and they fall for it because we're looking
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: for something that's going to help give our life meaning,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: which is like again it goes back to why like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: magas in the media, why Joseph Campbell like myth, magic
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and meaning in a postmodern world is hard, but it's there,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: so we can really really be able to grow. I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: think fast and I think that's something that is interesting
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: that's going on in a world, is that with we
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: are finding ourselves in a new renaissance, at the same time,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: we're finding ourselves within the dystopian healthscape of Palenteer and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Oracle as it's building its AI data centers that are
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: trying to entrap our astral bodies into this world so
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: we can't continue the metam psychosis process. That's my big conspiracy.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: That's what starlink and that's what the AI data centers are.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: It's like they're here to basically kill our spiritual bodies
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: while also thinking that we're going to ascend into a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: higher transhumanist race.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: Is killing I'm sorry no, ahead Is it killing our
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: astra bodies or is it distracting?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. There is a difference, I think. Okay,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I like that because killing would mean that it's dead
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: and dead forever, right, nice. I like that. I would
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: say distraction then, yes, or imprisoning. Right, it goes back
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: to the Gnostics. It could be imprisoned.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's almost like we're at a point in time where,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: like you know, narcissism and ideas like this and nature
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: reality are very mainstream, and I think the whole metaverse
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: in trying to get us into this trapped into this simulation,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: is trying to get us into a simulation within the simulation,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: because like I said, I think we're at a time
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: where a lot of people are understanding that they can
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: not really exit the simulation as they will, but understand
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: that it is a simulation and therefore make their own
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: reality of it, and that's definitely not what they want.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: They'd rather have. If you want to do whatever you want,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: go ahead and put on this VR headset. You can
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: go anywhere in the world, you can have sex with
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: anybody you want, You can do anything. And it's like, well,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: they don't want us realizing that we can do that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: with our consciousness if we can learn to project, astro
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: project and lucid dream and not only that, but eventually
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: change the physical reality around us as well.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: They want to sell us a shortcut, which is eventually
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: going to be a prison.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: Shortcuts don't work, They never work.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: It comes with the price.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Everything comes with the price and sometimes is too heavy.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Uh is there anything else that uh, maybe you wanted
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: to plug about the show or talk about anything specific.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: It's already over an hour now. I'm just thinking maybe
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: wrapping it up soon.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: No, not really, I think, Uh, I'm good. I think
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Uh, just getting on the topic
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: of like simulation theory. I kind of talked about this
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: on my tenfoil Hat podcast when I was on with
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: those guys, But I think simulation theory is so popular now,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: especially like the matrix and stuff like that, Which is
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: why I think it gets compared to nacissism and stuff
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: like that. Is this is just the secret doctrine the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: perennial philosophy repackaged into computer terms. You know what I mean.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Like simulation theory is kabala is naisism is her meticism,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: because all these traditions tell you that there is this
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: real world that we're not really seeing it for what
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: it really is, but we're seeing it through this This
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: lens these doors of perceptions, so to speak, you know
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And it's funny because I believe that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: computers and all that kind of stuff is built off
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: of the nature of reality because I was having this
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: download one time and it was like, okay, like if
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: the Acasta records is kind of like binary code but
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: like in frequencies and stuff like that. Like, whoever invented
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: the idea or discovered the idea of binary code had
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to be a theosophist. I thought that, and I looked
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: it up and it was this dude named Gottfried Laybnis,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: And he's a fucking theosophist. And the reason why he
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: came up with binary code was he was trying to
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: real He was trying to figure out how to explain
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: the nature of reality and how you can explain you know,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: like left right or you know, making decisions and describe
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: it in an actual pattern. And he got the idea
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: from studying the I Ching.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's like a Chinese divination system.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Eaching. The Eaching is is a Dallist book,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the Book of Changes, and so yeah, because Yin and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Yong are based off of one in Zeros and so
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the whole eight trigrams, which equates to the sixty four hexagrams,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is based upon the Book of Changes. So it's all
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: about change. Interesting enough, in in our Western world. We've
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: taken the Yen and the young and now we've made
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: it into a binary coding system that everything works off of.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: But we've what a problem is we've dialectic dialecticized this
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: where now it's become a static thing instead of the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: dynamic process of change that the Daoists in their tai
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: chi practice, because that's what tai chi is based upon,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: is that practice. And Leibnitz himself, who's one of the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: great idealist philosophers of our modern of our like Enlightenment period,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: he was a mode ass a, a mode ad theorist,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: so we believe him in the mode ad and that
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: so I highly recommend for a while, you know, like
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Leibnitz and Spinoza, Liby created calculus. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: these things, and so he's a fascinating theoricist. But yeah,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: the the Taoist ea ching the Book of Changes, the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Book of the Heart to go back to the Heart.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Interesting enough, it's like it's very similar to nick the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: seven seven seven and how the core the theory of
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: correspondence is ever changing theory of corresponding natures of reality,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and that's what the book, yeah, and that's what the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Book of Changes is about it's a book of causation.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, So we wouldn't have computers if
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: we didn't have binary code. We wouldn't have binary codes
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: if we had lameness, and we would have lameness if
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: he wasn't setting the each k yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the yeah and the eachin came from the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Chinese and Fushin Fushin created or discovered, not created, he
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: discovered the e ching. The story goes off the back
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: of a tortoise show, and so that was like six
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago in the Chinese Empire.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: M oh Judas.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, yeah, I didn't you actually
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: have questions from people on the chat that we were
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: actually getting to before we wrap it up.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I think I might have stopped kind of stopped.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: I did you know? I did ask one. Yeah, stepped
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: away when I asked one, and the other one I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: think Brandon saw and he answered.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Himself, yeah, I think one of them was what chakras
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: and energy work.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's why.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: That's how we got back to the heart.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's how we got to the heart. And
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: we started talking.
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  Speaker 4: About the my suggestion. I guess just real quick, I'll
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: give like two books. Uh, the Wheels of Time. I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: think it is the wheels Oh.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: My god, it's the Wheel of Life.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, the Wheel of Life right there.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to remember that.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah that I would say that and believe it or not,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: what I do think helped me between the gates by Uh,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: I've heard of that one.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Roberts Wait stabished Mark Stavish.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Mark Stavish is a brilliant writer. I really
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: like Mark Stavash. Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: I think those two books could help with you know,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: energy stuff and chakras. Yeah, I'll just keep it simple.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: So was there an then whatever you were going to say.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: Judith, No, actually, okay, as for the book, I'm with
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: the Wheel of Life. I'm going to check out the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: second one you mentioned. But my my comment was more
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: for the wording of the language of the simulation.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: That language, yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: And I look at it as just a way to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: get the masses to act predict predictably.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: Tell someone you're in a simulation, automatically, whether they realize
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: it or not, they go into gamer mode. They go
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: into gamer mode, and that's how they interact.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: In Life Ready Player one.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: So if you put this language out there, everybody's that's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: how everybody's moving. You could predict how everybody's going to move,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: and no one wants to think as an individual. All
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: they want to do is make sure that not an NPC.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you tell them it's the game, they're all
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: going to want to play.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like the idea like
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and I always consider them. We have to go back
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to if we're talking about simulation, we have to go
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: back to Plato right in the cave and understanding that
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: we're exactly and so understanding that we are but mere
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: representations of the forms and the good, and that like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: when we interact with the world, we're interacting again, which
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: is like not even a projection, but just we're interact.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And it goes back to exactly what I said, we're
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: interacting with our own perceptions, and so the simulation if
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: we understand it in a way that we are until
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: we become a term that I am trying to push
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: a sovereign magician, until we become an agent of our
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: own world, that we are then an agent of somebody else's.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: And if we are agent of somebody else's that means
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that what they put into our nervous system in this
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: closed loop system that then we are going to then
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: project through our own perceptual actions exactly what they want
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: us to. And so that's why we have to become
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: our own sovereign magician, lover, warrior, king, philosophers. And when
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: we can do that, then we are the ones creating
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the world and discovering the things that are always there.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: And it's the beauty of God within and without at
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the same time, instead of the fucking dystopian oracle, pall
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and teer system of the dark sorcerer techno feudalists in
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: this very plain material world that they want us to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: think that we're living in.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Hey man, as within so without. You know, if you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: want to change the world around you change your inside.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: You know. That's why That's what I like to you know,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: that's what I like to end my show with a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: lot of the time, like ninety percent of the time,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: that's what I'll end my show with.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, beautiful, beautiful, All.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Right, before we wrap it up, dude, did you have
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: anything else?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: No, you're good, No, not right now. I do have
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: to ask Dolio, what what do you have coming up
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: on your show. I'm curious after this discussion.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: So if anyone wants to tune in, we go it.
• 1:18:59
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• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: we will be live at five pm PST on YouTube
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  Speaker 3: if you want to subscribe to us on YouTube. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be talking with six g Agenda podcast about Agartha.
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  Speaker 3: He actually does like a lot of conspiracy more centered topics,
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  Speaker 3: but we're gonna go esoteric for this one, so he
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  Speaker 3: goes deep on all his information, so that'd be super cool.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what we got coming up, and that that's
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  Speaker 3: about it. We kind of do our show like very
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  Speaker 3: on the fly, you know what I mean. So we
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  Speaker 3: book our guests like the week of, we film it
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  Speaker 3: the week of, and then we put it out the
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  Speaker 3: next week. And then sometimes I'll do like lives what
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  Speaker 3: be like just myself and another guest throughout the week,
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  Speaker 3: but those will kind of just be like get released
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  Speaker 3: like later. But we do do a show every Sunday. Tomorrow,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be talking about Agartha in her Earth, probably
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  Speaker 3: Bulovotski and all that kind of stuff, So it'd be
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  Speaker 3: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: Liz sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah, I gotta get in
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  Speaker 4: touch with that dude again. I haven't spoken.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know if you want me to link
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  Speaker 3: you up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, tell me to hit me up again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because I was supposed to him on the show. All right, So, uh, Judith,
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  Speaker 4: before we wrap it up, why don't you let everybody
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  Speaker 4: know what's up with you and your stuff please?
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  Speaker 5: I as usual, everyone could catch me at the weekly
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  Speaker 5: brunch every Sunday. It's pre recorded now, it's not live,
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  Speaker 5: but we got a couple of live shows planned up
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  Speaker 5: the up the River.
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  Speaker 1: Right right.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, No, there's actually two topics that I definitely
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  Speaker 4: do want to do with you. I've been meaning that
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  Speaker 4: is so it's definitely happening because I'm actually psyched.
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  Speaker 5: To this and I'm still trying to work out everything
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  Speaker 5: with Brandon, so we could do a show, yes we are,
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  Speaker 5: so we could get that going around. And so you
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  Speaker 5: can find me on YouTube x and speaker as the
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  Speaker 5: loom Nick again, thank you for having me. Brandon is
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  Speaker 5: always enlightened every time. And Stelio, I am looking forward
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  Speaker 5: to taking a few deep dives into your show.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. And by the way, any three of
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  Speaker 3: you if you guys ever want to chit chat and
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  Speaker 3: come on my show, you guys have an open door.
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  Speaker 3: Just hit me up and we'll get you on when
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  Speaker 3: they will talk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, that sounds brilliant for sure.
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  Speaker 2: H Brandon, please let everybody know what's.
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  Speaker 1: Up, beautiful. Thank you Nick. As always, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: only one cardinal electric head and that is you, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful to be here, Judith. I love
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with you every time you Everyone, Judith's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be making the hat she has on her head for
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  Speaker 1: the world. She doesn't, she should because it's awesome. Stel,
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  Speaker 1: this has been fantastic. I do look forward to having
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  Speaker 1: a future conversation if it's not here on your own show, so.
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  Speaker 3: That absolutely thank you. I'm looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful and everyone, if you haven't already, you know who
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  Speaker 1: I am, Brandon Lee of Magus in the Media where
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: we talk all things myth, magic and meaning in the
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  Speaker 1: stories in the world that you love. I'm having my
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: next interview dropping on Monday morning as well, as long
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: as everything goes well, and that's with Fraider Eleptheria. We
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  Speaker 1: had a great two and a half hour long talk
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: where we dig deep and I asked him all the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: hard questions and so I'm he's a wonderful man, and
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  Speaker 1: so I'm really excited for you to get that one out.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: If you haven't already, make sure you check out my
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: last interview that I came out with doctor Ian Edwards.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: That was a fantastic We went deep in philosophy, phenomenology, Crolly,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Austin OsmAnd Spare. One before that was Alan Chapman, which
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: is a great three in a conversation where we dig
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: deep into the great work and everything that he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: So as always make sure everyone out there you just
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: tap deep in route yourself down and realize that we're
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: heading into some crazy times.
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  Speaker 4: So thank you, Yes, I definitely think so. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: very much, Brandon. I was appreciate what you can make
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  Speaker 4: my man always always and steal. Oh please let everybody
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: know what's up away they can find all your stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yes, sir. If you want to follow me personally,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: just at steel O Free s t e e l
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  Speaker 3: O Free, that's my musician name. I haven't really been
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  Speaker 3: doing much music lately, but if you want to find
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: my podcast, which I've been a little bit more active
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: on that's Outside Minds podcast. You can find that Spotify,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts. Subscribe to us on YouTube, follow us on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: TikTok and Instagram. Yeah, like I said, we go live
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  Speaker 3: every Sunday. It's been great hanging out with you guys,
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  Speaker 3: and thanks for having me on and shout out to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: everybody in the chat of course.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was a great chat. Definitely have to get
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  Speaker 4: you back on. I would like to get you back
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: on and talk about rescriutionism. Actually we didn't get to.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's what I've been
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: deep diving lately.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's for me.
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  Speaker 4: It's fun to talk about it, even you know, even
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: though I've done it a few times, it's still always
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: interesting to me.
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  Speaker 2: But again, thank you very much for coming on.
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  Speaker 4: Had a great chat for the people, you know, for
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  Speaker 4: the listeners, people listening or and or watching. Yeah, I
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: think when it comes to people kind of looking at
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: conspiracies from more than you know, not as bias and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: it is into the occult.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely go check out his show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So that's why I was very kind of interested in
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  Speaker 4: getting you on because there's not too many of you's
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: out there like yeah, and only it's like if you're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: a conspiracy there is it's like you have to shit
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: on the occult all the time, where it's like you have.
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  Speaker 3: You talked to Jonathan the Metamistics?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've had him on before. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I've been on Cull the Conspiracy before yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cool dates. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, you know what, John's another one that I was
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: supposed to give him a date and we I think
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: I never got back to him, but we did talk
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I definitely want you. He's a cool dude. I
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: like him. I like him. He's very very nice guy.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: It's funny too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, thank you very much Delo for
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: coming on and again, like I said, I hopefully you
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: will get you on again in the future. We'll talk
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: about some resocutionism and everybody in the chat. That's what's up.
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  Speaker 4: I love the little comments, thank you and the questions
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  Speaker 4: and everything, and uh, Judith and Brandon, thank you again
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  Speaker 4: and until the next one, everybody be well Later.