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Should Christians Support Israel? · Life TV now

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Speaker 1: Israel stands at the center of a growing global debate,
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Speaker 1: one that touches history, faith, and modern geopolitics. What should
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Speaker 1: Christians believe about Israel today? How did Zionism shape the
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Speaker 1: Jewish homeland and what role did past persecution play in
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Speaker 1: that return. At the same time, support for Israel is
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Speaker 1: shifting in the West, So what's behind that shift? And
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Speaker 1: where do players like Turkey IT groups like the IRGC
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Speaker 1: fit into the bigger picture? And should Americans be paying
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Speaker 1: closer attention. Today's guest is here to help us navigate
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Speaker 1: all of this right now. Hello everybody, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: Life TV Now, where we unpack all matters of truth,
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Speaker 1: faith and freedom. I'm your host, Joe artists Horne. Today
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Speaker 1: we are joined by a spectacular friend and somebody that
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Speaker 1: I view as one of the most knowledgeable people on
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Speaker 1: the planet when it comes to Middle East war activity,
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Speaker 1: proxy wars, battles the people throughout time that have shaped
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Speaker 1: and created alliances and coalitions, and someone who is a
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Speaker 1: multi time best selling author and my very good friend,
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Speaker 1: mister Derek Gilbert. We're also joined by my best friend,
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Speaker 1: the one and only beautiful Catherine Horn. If you missed
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Speaker 1: what we're unpacking. I say every week Derek, that we
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Speaker 1: That means that when the government is doing something that
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Speaker 1: maybe infringes on our medical autonomy, we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 2: When there is something like.
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Speaker 1: War breaking out in the Middle East yet again that
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Speaker 1: might impact laws that are being developed, the way that
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Speaker 1: they often use crisis to then co manage an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to change the way that we're living our lives here
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Speaker 1: in Western culture. To me right now, one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest elephants in the room that Christians are very divided about.
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Speaker 1: It is like a red siren dir If you're a
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Speaker 1: follower of Bible prophecy and the rise of the Mark
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Speaker 1: of the Beast system if you're one that's been trying
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Speaker 1: to make sense of why the church now is almost
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Speaker 1: co joining this effort via anti Semitism to hate the
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Speaker 1: Jewish people and getting theology wrong. If you're following all
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Speaker 1: of this madness and you've got questions, this is the
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Speaker 1: place to be today. Go back to last week's program
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Speaker 1: where Derek put on a clinic talking about Israel, the
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Speaker 1: history and the lead up, the circumstances that have led
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Speaker 1: to the United States joining Israel in attacks on Iran,
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Speaker 1: and what that might mean geopolitically, not just overseas, but
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Speaker 1: here at home. It was some of the most impactful
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Speaker 1: and loaded thirty minutes I think in broadcast Christian television.
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Speaker 1: We don't have time, Derek to get into your qualifications.
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Speaker 1: This rap sheet of over forty five years of following
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Speaker 1: Bible prophecy and unpacking the pertinent nature of God and
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Speaker 1: his involvement in the people of Israel and what's unfolding
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Speaker 1: here in the United States. I want to say that Derek,
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Speaker 1: for those just joining Life TV now, he has been
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Speaker 1: a contributor for over a decade over at our good
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Speaker 1: friends at SkyWatch Television, and you are one of two
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Speaker 1: probably should extend that to three, including the great Sharon Gilbert,
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Speaker 1: who's live with us today in the audience, but often
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Speaker 1: when I want questions navigated about the Middle East, what's
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Speaker 1: happening in terms of Bible prophecy Ezekiel thirty eight thirty nine,
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Speaker 1: I will ask you and that always includes Sharon, as
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Speaker 1: I affectionately described a scenario last week where you've told
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Speaker 1: me she's usually up before you, brewing the coffee and
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Speaker 1: telling you, hey, did you catch this headline? But also
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Robert McGinnis, who is a Defender publishing author.
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Speaker 1: This is where I go when I want next level
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Speaker 1: analysis of what is happening. We ended the program last
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Speaker 1: week with a shotgun blast question, should Christians be in
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Speaker 1: support of Israel? Let's start there with a brief recap
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Speaker 1: of what you were just unpacking for the audience that
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Speaker 1: maybe missed last week, and then I want to get
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Speaker 1: to Zionism and whether Christians should support that as well.
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Speaker 3: Biblically, we should support Israel.
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Speaker 4: As Jesus himself said, salvation comes from the Jews. We
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Speaker 4: need to recognize that the prophecies of the coming Messiah
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Speaker 4: and the return of Messiah came from Hebrew prophets. The
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Speaker 4: Apostles were Jewish, the early Church was Jewish, and it
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Speaker 4: was through them that we, the Gentiles, according to Paul
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Speaker 4: and Romans Chapter eleven, have been grafted into the olive
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Speaker 4: tree of salvation. And that tree again is the root
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Speaker 4: of it is God himself, Jesus Christ. But as the
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Speaker 4: Lord said through Paul, if those branches that have been
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Speaker 4: broken off to make room for us been broken off
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Speaker 4: because of their unbelief, we too can be broken off
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Speaker 4: if we don't continue in the kindness toward them, if
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Speaker 4: we get arrogant towards them, then God may break us
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Speaker 4: off as well, because they.
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Speaker 3: Can be grafted back in.
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Speaker 4: And we see in the Old Testament Zekarat twelve in
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Speaker 4: particular and Zekharaf fourteen at the end the final battle,
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Speaker 4: the Old Testament conception of armageddon, when the whole world
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Speaker 4: comes to war against Jerusalem, which the phrase in Hebrew
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Speaker 4: that John rendered in the Book of Revelation as armageddon
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Speaker 4: is har ed, which means mount of Assembly, and God's
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Speaker 4: mount of assembly, His mount of the congregation is Zion
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Speaker 4: Mount Zion, the temple mount in Jerusalem. So that's where
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Speaker 4: the final battle will be fought. It is clear in
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Speaker 4: Zacharat twelve, verse ten, as I mentioned last week, where
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Speaker 4: God tells the world through the prophet Zechariah, that the
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Speaker 4: house of Judah, the house of David, the house of Judah.
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Speaker 4: You know that's the Jews will look on me, on
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Speaker 4: him whom they have pierced and mourn as one mourns
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Speaker 4: for an only child. They will recognize Messiah as our friend,
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Speaker 4: Alfie Lipkin says, and he is an Orthodox observant Jew.
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Speaker 4: Is Messiah coming or coming back? I don't know, but
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Speaker 4: I've got a feeling we'll find out very soon. And
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Speaker 4: you know, God bless Avi. We love him to death,
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Speaker 4: love his family, and we pray for him. We pray
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Speaker 4: for all of our Jewish friends in Israel. We do
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Speaker 4: not believe that anybody gets a free pass. Jesus himself
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Speaker 4: said that no one comes to the Father except through Me,
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Speaker 4: So we pray for them. We pray for Hindus and Buddhists.
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Speaker 4: We pray for Muslims, the people of Iran, who are
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Speaker 4: coming to the Lord through dreams and visions of a.
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Speaker 3: Man in white offering salvation.
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Speaker 4: But God made it clear through the prophets both in
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Speaker 4: the Old Testament and the New Revelation seven one hundred
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Speaker 4: and forty four thousand, who are called out.
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Speaker 3: From the twelve tribes of Israel. We the Church have
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Speaker 3: not replaced Israel.
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Speaker 4: I am a Japhethite. My ancestors are primarily Northern European, Swedish, German, English, Welsh.
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Speaker 4: I am not from the tribes of Israel. That is
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Speaker 4: a teaching that began in the second century as the
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Speaker 4: early Church fathers tried to figure out how these prophecies
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Speaker 4: of Israel returning to the land could possibly be true.
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Speaker 4: Because after a rebellion by the Jews in the one
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Speaker 4: thirties AD, the bar Koka Revolt, the Emperor Hadrian of
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Speaker 4: Rome scattered the Jews around the world nine hundred thousand.
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Speaker 4: He deppopulated Judea and renamed the land Syria Palestina Palestine.
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Speaker 4: That's where it comes from, the Philistines. This was the
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Speaker 4: only time in human history, in Roman history, where the
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Speaker 4: Roman Empire tried to erase a people group from history.
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Speaker 4: The Romans conquered a lot of people, a lot of tribes,
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Speaker 4: a lot of nations. Yeah, but they didn't try to
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Speaker 4: erase them from history except for the Jews. And that's
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Speaker 4: the enemy, that is Satan and his minions at work,
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Speaker 4: and they failed. And again, I know the Egyptians tried
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Speaker 4: to do it, the Assyrians tried to do it, the Moabites,
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Speaker 4: the Edomites, the Ammonites, the Aramians, the Assyrians, that the Chaldeans,
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Speaker 4: again and again and again, and finally the Romans in
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Speaker 4: the second century AD.
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Speaker 3: And so the early Church is looking at this and saying,
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Speaker 3: there are no more Jews.
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Speaker 4: They're scattered all over them, from Britain to Persia. How
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Speaker 4: can they pausa? Oh wait, wait, we are spiritual Israel.
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Speaker 4: That's where the teaching came from. And it is resurfaced.
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Speaker 4: It has survived and resurfaced now here in the twenty
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Speaker 4: first century as a teaching called replacement theology or supersessionism.
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Speaker 4: And I know that You've got to Spalding coming to
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Speaker 4: SkyWatch TV later this year to talk about his excellent
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Speaker 4: book on that subject. But the fact is the Church
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Speaker 4: does not replace Israel. We have been grafted into that tree.
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Speaker 4: We share in the blessings that God promised the seat
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Speaker 4: of Abraham. We do not take them and hold them
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Speaker 4: all for ourselves. God is not done with the Jews.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 5: Well, and I have a question about that too, because
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Speaker 5: all you have to do is read the Old Testament
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Speaker 5: to read about what God said that he was going
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Speaker 5: to do.
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Speaker 2: With the Israelites.
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Speaker 5: He was going to spread them across all nations and
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Speaker 5: they were going to become as multitude as the stars
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Speaker 5: in the sky or the sand. So we have Jews everywhere,
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Speaker 5: and that's one of my questions, is is like, okay,
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Speaker 5: even here in the United States, we have so many
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Speaker 5: people that proclaim the fact that I'm a Jew, I
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Speaker 5: have Jewish heritage, and they even do some of the
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Speaker 5: Jewish ceremonial type things when they get married, and they
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Speaker 5: do all of this kinds of stuff. And there's a
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Speaker 5: lot of people in the entertainment industry too that are
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Speaker 5: doing that. So for me, it's like, okay, So, if
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Speaker 5: you are self proclaiming yourself as a Jew because that
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Speaker 5: is your heritage, why are you not being upset about
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Speaker 5: the fact that your brothers and sisters who are also
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Speaker 5: Jews that just happen to live in Israel. Why are
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Speaker 5: you not angry about this? Why are you not standing
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Speaker 5: up and using your platform to say, hey, this is wrong.
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Speaker 5: Those are my brothers and sisters. They are Jewish by
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Speaker 5: right and by ethnicity, so why are they not doing that?
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Speaker 5: I don't understand that that's weird to me.
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Speaker 4: We need to remember that there are just as many
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Speaker 4: factions and different strains of Judaism as there are different
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Speaker 4: sects and denominations of Christianity.
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Speaker 3: There are some very liberal.
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Speaker 4: Jewish denominations, the reform Jews, where you've got women as rabbis,
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Speaker 4: which is something that was never followed in the Old Testament,
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Speaker 4: and they have some very different views politically. We've also
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Speaker 4: learned from our friends in Israel. Are Israeli friends. I mean,
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Speaker 4: we think American politics is not down drag out, you
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Speaker 4: know a blood sports, Sure, it's that times twelve in Israel.
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Speaker 4: So they have some very different views about what it
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Speaker 4: means to be a Jew and what the government of
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Speaker 4: Israel is doing.
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Speaker 3: And there are and I will.
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Speaker 4: Say this based on friends in Israel who have very
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Speaker 4: close connections to the political scene and also connections inside
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Speaker 4: the IDF, there are those in Israel, just like here
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Speaker 4: in the United States, who would rather see the country
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Speaker 4: burn than see a conservative government continue that Benjamin Nenyaw
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Speaker 4: who remain in power, and that has some implications. Won't
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Speaker 4: go into it here for time constraints, but as to
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Speaker 4: how slowly the IDF responded on October seventh of twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty three, because there are those inside the Israeli military,
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Speaker 4: which is predominantly at the upper levels, dominated by socialists,
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Speaker 4: in other words, liberals who wanted to see Benjamin Nenyaw,
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Speaker 4: who take the blame for what happened on October seventh.
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Speaker 4: So here in the United States, you've got people with
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Speaker 4: similar views.
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Speaker 3: They don't like met Yahoo because he's a conservative.
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Speaker 4: They don't like the fact that his coalition contain includes
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Speaker 4: many very religious conservatives, both Orthodox and ultra Orthodox.
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Speaker 3: I mean, here in the.
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Speaker 4: United States, we think of Orthodox Jews is the ones
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Speaker 4: who wear the black clothing and the black head. Those
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Speaker 4: are the Haredim, the ultra Orthodox Orthodox Jews. Jared Kushner
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Speaker 4: is an Orthodox Jew, so we need to understand a
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Speaker 4: little better the distinguishes Jews. But again we just need
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Speaker 4: to remember there are as many flavors of Jew as
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Speaker 4: there are of Christian and they have a wide spectrum
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Speaker 4: of views and opinions as to how Israel should be run.
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Speaker 4: In Israel's reaction to what happened on October seventh of
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you're correctly pointing out the
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Speaker 1: fact that there are as many brands of jew as
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Speaker 1: there is what Americans would say, are Christianityman, how many
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Speaker 1: of you met Christians?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: And then you find out they have wildly differing views
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Speaker 1: and there's no consensus. Right, there's factions. You have the
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Speaker 1: Baptists and the Four Square Church, and then you've got
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Speaker 1: the Assemblies of God, and you know, flavors all of
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Speaker 1: the place. And yet when you see a lot of
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Speaker 1: are very largely viewed and listen to podcasters, some of
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Speaker 1: them have the largest programs in the world, right, and
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Speaker 1: you see that they're a part of asserting things that
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Speaker 1: the Church is either aligning themselves with or disagreeing with.
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Speaker 1: And it's like they're burning each other at the end
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Speaker 1: of stakes. I find that very interesting that they are
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Speaker 1: not segregating the different brands, they're just clumping a lot
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Speaker 1: of clumping.
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Speaker 2: The Jews.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're using the phrase Zionists and Zionism and Christian
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Speaker 4: Zionists and blaming Zionism for all of the world's ills,
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Speaker 4: which again goes back to sort of a medieval view
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Speaker 4: of the perfidious Jew. They're bankers, and they control all
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Speaker 4: the money, and they control entertainment, and they want to
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Speaker 4: destroy these civilizations so they can take over the world. Again,
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Speaker 4: this is very medieval in its view of Jews were doing.
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Speaker 4: To remember that Jews make up zero point two percent
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Speaker 4: of the world's population, where there are two billion Christians
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Speaker 4: on Earth and two billion Muslims, and one of those
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Speaker 4: two religions, and its most fundamentalist wants to kill you
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Speaker 4: and take your land and take all your stuff.
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Speaker 3: And it's not the Christians.
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Speaker 4: So I think if we're pointing at the fourteen million
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Speaker 4: Jews on Earth, fourteen million Jews, two billion Muslims, I
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Speaker 4: think we've got to get our perspectives in the line here.
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Speaker 4: And many Christian or at least professing Christian podcasters, influencers
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Speaker 4: who have more audience than say the New York Times,
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Speaker 4: the Washington Post, CNN, you know, Fox News even are
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Speaker 4: blaming Zionists and Zionism. I think they've got their eyes
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Speaker 4: set on the wrong target now, whether they realize it
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Speaker 4: or not, they are putting forward ideas that right now
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Speaker 4: are dry having.
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Speaker 3: Russian political views.
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Speaker 4: There's a man named Alexander Dugueen who wrote a book
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety seven and I'm going to forget the
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Speaker 4: name title of the book, but it's part of Russian
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Speaker 4: military training. Now, it's part of their military academies. Du
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Speaker 4: Geen has been called Putin's Brain, and he views the
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Speaker 4: takeover of all of Eurasia meaning Asia, Russia, and all
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Speaker 4: of the European nations, the world island, as it's been called,
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Speaker 4: as part of a strategy to destroy Western civilization. Douguene's
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Speaker 4: book has the symbol for chaos on the cover, which
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Speaker 4: is used by chaos magicians, and now we're talking about
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Speaker 4: the strain of occult magic that was developed by Alister
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Speaker 4: Crowley propagated by his student and personal secretary Kenneth Grant.
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Speaker 4: He views chaos as purification Western civilization. Our culture here
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Speaker 4: in the United States and in Europe has become socized
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Speaker 4: and so sinful with the normalization of things that are
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Speaker 4: frankly not biblical, like you know, same sex marriage. Duguene
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Speaker 4: believes that chaos is necessary to destroy Western civilization and
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Speaker 4: what these podcasters and influencers are doing, whether they realize
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Speaker 4: it or not, is contributing to this by dividing Christians
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Speaker 4: on one of the most important subjects out there, which
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Speaker 4: is Israel, because God when he returns, is going to
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Speaker 4: reign from Jerusalem. The final battle led by the Antichrist
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Speaker 4: and the forces of evil, is to destroy and take
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Speaker 4: for themselves God's heart moed his mount of Assembly again
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Speaker 4: are Mageddon, and that is Jerusalem. So we as Christians,
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Speaker 4: just looking at this for me geo political as well
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Speaker 4: as a theo political perspective, need to say, hmm, if
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Speaker 4: Satan wants to take Israel, maybe we shouldn't be.
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Speaker 3: On that side of the equation.
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Speaker 4: Maybe we should look at this and say, hey, Israel
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Speaker 4: needs our support now. Just looking at the geopolitical situation
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Speaker 4: as regards Iran, and we talked about this last week,
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Speaker 4: so I'll be very quick. We in the West need
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Speaker 4: to realize that having a cult, which is what Ayatolajomeni
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Speaker 4: created with the Islamic Revolution in nineteen seventy nine, in
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Speaker 4: control of nuclear weapons since they believe that it's their god,
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Speaker 4: they're Allah given right, because Allah is not the God
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Speaker 4: of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to take over the world.
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Speaker 4: Getting their hands on the nuclear weapons is just a
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Speaker 4: bad idea. Regardless of whether you're a Christian or not.
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Speaker 4: Just looking at this from the standpoint of, Hey, we
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Speaker 4: would like to live peacefully and leave a peaceful world
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Speaker 4: for our children.
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Speaker 3: Our grandchildren.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Iran with nuclear weapons is not going to allow
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Speaker 4: that to happen.
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Speaker 2: I have known Derek since two thousand and six.
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Speaker 4: That was when we did our first interview with your
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Speaker 4: father back in March of two thousand and six, twenty
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Speaker 4: years ago exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember having dinner with you and Sharon
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Speaker 1: really close to proxy to that time.
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Speaker 2: But twenty eleven, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it's nearing, if we're not there already, the twenty
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Speaker 1: year mark in our friendship.
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Speaker 2: And here's what I want to say. I'm sitting here listening.
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Speaker 1: To you, and I'm I'm and I am very well
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Speaker 1: aware of how well researched and studied that you and
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Speaker 1: Sharon are, and yet I remain impressed.
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Speaker 2: How is that possible.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I am experiencing several realities. One
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Speaker 1: of them continuously that I'm impressed by is that I
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Speaker 1: don't believe other than very select few of you, like
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Speaker 1: doctor Mike Spaulding, has a forthcoming book on this very
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Speaker 1: subject the number of people out there that I feel
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Speaker 1: are really really right about it and also really really
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Speaker 1: qualified to talk about.
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Speaker 2: All of this.
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Speaker 1: I just continue to say, ladies and gentlemen, if you're
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Speaker 1: out there, if you have a podcast, if you're in
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Speaker 1: media at all, you need to be emailing Derek Gilbert
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Speaker 1: for interviews because he is one of the most uniquely
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Speaker 1: qualified humans on the planet to help us navigate these
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Speaker 1: really complex matters of the Middle East and Bible prophecy.
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Speaker 1: With just a few minutes left, I think that the
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Speaker 1: acronym IRGC might be one that a lot of people
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Speaker 1: aren't familiar with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.
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Speaker 1: Love for you to tell our re viewers what that
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Speaker 1: means and whether or not Americans should be concerned about
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Speaker 1: the cells in the US.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Iran Revolutionary Guard CORE is like the Praetorian
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Speaker 4: Guard in ancient Rome. They were the ones who defended
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Speaker 4: the emperor. They were loyal to the emperor more than
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Speaker 4: they were to Rome. The IRGC loyal to the Ayatola
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Speaker 4: more than the people of Iran, which we've seen because
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Speaker 4: they've been out there shooting and just basically killing protesters
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Speaker 4: against the regime. When Joe Biden kicked open the borders
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Speaker 4: and in some cases literally opened up and welded open
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Speaker 4: the floodgates, and that this was true in Arizona floodgates
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Speaker 4: that were closed outside of the rainy Sea, and they
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Speaker 4: had the border patrol literally weld the gates open. Eleven million,
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Speaker 4: by some estimates, maybe as many as twenty million migrants
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Speaker 4: have come into the country who have just been dispersed
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Speaker 4: around the country, and many as you know, Joe or children. Sadly,
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Speaker 4: but many of them were men of military age, some
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Speaker 4: from China, some from Africa, some perhaps from Iran. So yes,
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Speaker 4: the probability is high that we've got IRGC sleeper cells
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Speaker 4: here in the United States, and I know that the
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Speaker 4: FBI encounter terrorism officials are working hard to track them.
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Speaker 4: President Trump says, we know where they are. I pray
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Speaker 4: that that's true. But we just need to be cognizant
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Speaker 4: aware here.
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Speaker 3: We have been blessed, as we talked about last week.
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Speaker 4: We don't have a frame of reference like our Israeli friends,
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Speaker 4: students of what it means to live right next door
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Speaker 4: to people who want to kill you, And sadly, that's
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Speaker 4: a reality that we may experience soon.
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Speaker 1: What is the history of the Zionist movement, and I
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Speaker 1: know we were talking a little bit about it a
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Speaker 1: minute ago, and then we kind of went around the
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Speaker 1: mountain for a minute. But let's get back to that
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Speaker 1: because we've only got about five minutes left and I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that you get a chance to
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Speaker 1: cover some of that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Zionism is used as a pejorative right now, which
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Speaker 4: in the mouths of those who wield it as a
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Speaker 4: pejorative think that it means Israel wants to take over
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Speaker 4: the world, and that Israel is dominated in the United States.
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Speaker 4: Actually Zionism, and first of all, let me just say again,
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Speaker 4: Jews in the world zero p two percent of the world.
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Speaker 4: Israel needs the United States, not the other way around,
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Speaker 4: and it is more likely that they are beholden to
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Speaker 4: whatever the American administration wants to do in the Middle
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Speaker 4: East rather than the other way around.
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Speaker 3: Zionism began as a movement in the late.
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Speaker 4: Nineteenth century and it was a response to oppression of
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Speaker 4: Jewish people in Europe and especially in Russia. Sharon has
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Speaker 4: done a lot of research on this for the background
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Speaker 4: for her historical super natural thrillers The Red Wing Saga,
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Speaker 4: which begins in eighteen seventy eight, actually right, eighteen eighty
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Speaker 4: eight with the Jack the Ripper murders, but I know
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Speaker 4: that there was a scene that preceded that. But the
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Speaker 4: Jack the Ripper murders in eighteen eighty eight, and there
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Speaker 4: was many poor Jews who had fled the Pilgrims in
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Speaker 4: Russia had migrated to London, and there were some who
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Speaker 4: wanted to blame Jews for those Jack the Ripper killings.
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Speaker 4: And again this is just one more manifestation of anti
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Speaker 4: Jewish sentiment in that time and place. In eighteen seventy two,
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Speaker 4: Czar Alexander the Second had been assassinated, Jews were blamed,
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Speaker 4: and his successor, Alexander the Third, implemented a series of
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Speaker 4: laws called the may Laws, and one of his advisors
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Speaker 4: to the Czar said that these laws were intended to
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Speaker 4: make a third of the Jews convert to Christianity, a
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Speaker 4: third of them to emigrate, just leave Russia, and a
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Speaker 4: third of them to starve to death. That was the
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Speaker 4: attitude of Russians toward Jews in the mid to late
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Speaker 4: nineteenth century, and many of them did flee, and it
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Speaker 4: led many to begin to say, you know, look, the
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Speaker 4: only way we're ever going to be safe. We can
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Speaker 4: try to assimilate, we can try to live peacefully, live
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Speaker 4: according to their laws, even these laws that tell us
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Speaker 4: we can only work at certain jobs, we have to
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Speaker 4: live in certain areas, we have to live in ghettos.
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Speaker 4: I thought the ghettos were created by the Nazis in
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Speaker 4: World War Two. There were ghettos in the early nineteenth century. Napoleon,
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Speaker 4: when he conquered most of Europe, kind of allowed the
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Speaker 4: Jews live and work wherever they wanted. As soon as
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Speaker 4: Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo that those those laws went
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Speaker 4: back into effect, including in Rome. The Pope and Rome
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Speaker 4: said nope, They've got to go back into the ghetto.
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Speaker 4: So this is what led to the Zionist movement. The
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Speaker 4: late nineteenth century. Theodore Hertzel, called the father of Zionism,
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Speaker 4: led a movement, created the World Zionist Congress which still
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Speaker 4: exists today, and began the push to encourage Jews, for
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Speaker 4: their own safety and security, to begin to colonize Palestine,
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Speaker 4: which the time was a dry desert land. They have
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Speaker 4: made it bloom since nineteen forty eight. The fulfillment of
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Speaker 4: prophecy Biblical prophecy God bringing them back to the land.
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Speaker 4: That's what Zionism is. Zionism in a nutshell is the
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Speaker 4: belief that the Jews have a right to live peacefully
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Speaker 4: in their own land. That's what Zionism mean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many of you have enjoyed having Derek and
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Speaker 1: Sharon with us for the last couple of weeks. Derek,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. I texted Derek a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago and I said, can you come and
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Speaker 1: talk about the Middle East? And here I'm gonna reveal
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Speaker 1: and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
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Speaker 1: I lost my father in twenty twenty three. I mean
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Speaker 1: this from the bottom of my heart, I said, Derek.
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Speaker 1: I used to go to my father for things like this.
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Speaker 1: Now I go to Derek and Sharon because I try them,
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Speaker 1: probably more than any other humans on the earth, to
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Speaker 1: be correct about these things. We love you and to me,
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Speaker 1: you guys are both national treasures to the Kingdom of
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Speaker 1: God right now. We love you. Unfortunately we're all out
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Speaker 1: of time. Did you guys learn something? Ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: We will continue to report and feature content whenever we
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Speaker 1: Middle East, truth and freedom for everybody here in studio.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being back with us again this week, Derek,
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Speaker 1: my beautiful wife, Catherine. Keep your eyes on the prize,
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Speaker 1: which is Jesus Christ. We'll be back next week on
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Speaker 1: Life TV. Now you were very sick.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, here I am. I'm like this type a
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Speaker 6: arrogant scientist who thinks that she can do at all.
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Speaker 6: And yeah, literally got the better of me.
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Speaker 1: You say now looking back very quickly as a cliff
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Speaker 1: note that what you were learning was not at all
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Speaker 1: beneficial then in terms of autoimmunity.
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Speaker 6: No, you know, when you're going through your training, you're
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Speaker 6: very much brainwashed into the pharmaceutical way. Sure. I do
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Speaker 6: remember going to my advisor. He didn't know any better either.
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Speaker 6: There's all these like natural and herbs and nutritional things
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Speaker 6: that people can do, and I'm like, what about this.
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Speaker 6: He's like, oh no, no, no, no, these are studies from
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Speaker 6: Japan and from German and from Israel. We don't trust those.
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Speaker 6: We trust the ones that come from our governmental NIH only.
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Speaker 6: So therefore, what we do know is that once you
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Speaker 6: get diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, too bad, so sad,
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Speaker 6: you're broken and I collapsed on the floor of my bedroom.
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Speaker 6: And that's when the Lord showed me what he needed
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Speaker 6: me to see.