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Fix This Mental Glitch And Watch Your Income Skyrocket | William Lam · The Hannah Hammond Show

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  If you have to rely on willpower, pure willpower and
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  discipline to succeed, your mental programming is failing
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  you. So why is everything that we've
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  been taught about hustle culture and grinding completely
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  backwards? Oh I mean if you were the
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  emperors you would want your subject to hustle and grind for
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  you, wouldn't you? Right.
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  Modern living is not that different than the previous
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  eras, it's just dressed up differently.
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  I think I read that someone that you worked with did was doing
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  300,000 a year in income and then she worked with you and
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  through your training and then she was doing 300,000 a month in
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  income. And so, like, what was that
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  shift for her? Most people don't give
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  themselves permission to win bigger than what they saw their
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  parents did. And if they do, they will find a
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  way to self sabotage to them be relatable to the some of the
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  most important people in their lives, from their families,
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  their parents, their siblings, to their friends that they grew
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  up with. Because that social, that social
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  gel will pull them back in. I would love to hear more about
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  like your mission and 1000 year goal too that you have.
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  This may sound surprisingly geeky.
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  In the past I would tell only in closed doors, but I, I think
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  I'm, I'm I want to share this. It's the real reason behind why
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  I want to upgrade humanity. Welcome back to the Hannah
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  Hammond Show. I am here today with my friend
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  William Lamb, the founder and CEO of Upgrade, which is a
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  mental performance company. And you work with very elite
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  entrepreneurs, real estate investors, other investors and
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  just really high performers and really teach them how to rewire
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  their subconscious and be able to create whatever it is they
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  want and get through through the, what do you call it, the
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  bugs that they have in their brain and those limiting
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  beliefs. So I'm so excited to dive in
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  because this is all very close to home for me.
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  And a lot of the things that I've experienced.
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  And I mean, I know we have a common friend, Ryan Miller, and
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  he said that your highest tier coaching program is like
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  $1,000,000, which is insane. So he calls you the $1,000,000
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  coach, but super grateful for this hour that we're going to
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  have with you today or hour and a half likewise welcome with the
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  jail. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Yeah. So I want to hear your origin
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  story because I know you started a company before Upgrade and you
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  came from, you know, an Asian background and then had a
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  transition to American culture. And I've read, then heard from
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  just my conversations with you that you really had to, to shift
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  the way you thought about things.
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  And you started to see how much you were subconsciously
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  programmed from your childhood. And so like, who were you before
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  Upgrade existed and what were you running towards or running
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  from? I think I was someone who had
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  the tendency of trying too hard. That would be an easy way to
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  describe me, and a lot of it had to do with not seeing my parents
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  much growing up, just due to my father's work and my mother
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  getting sick, and then also family culture.
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  They were all about work and sacrifice and all that in the
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  name of we can help our kids have a better life.
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  So the kid that I was the person that I was, was someone that
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  wanted my parents love and or wanted societal or other
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  people's approval. And, and not just approval, but
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  people cheering me on wanted people to support me.
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  Wanted people to say, wow, you're awesome.
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  And therefore I spent a lot of years trying too hard, not
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  necessarily to be pleasing other people, but to reach a standard
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  that I believe I needed to be to win people over.
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  That would be, in a nutshell, what I was.
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  Yeah, and it's funny because somebody I was talking to said
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  about overachievers and, you know, the people like me and
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  people like you used to be overachievers who say that they
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  are doing it for their family, are doing it for their kids.
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  And that's the reason you never see me, you know, as your dad or
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  your mom is because we're doing it all for you.
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  And he's like, that's complete BS.
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  Like you're doing it for you. You're doing it because you have
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  something in your brain that is unworthy or trying to hit that
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  standard that probably your your parents instilled in you.
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  And all a child truly wants is to be seen, heard and protected.
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  Like they want time with their parents and that create that
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  that programming. And so I had that same
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  experience too. And that's what created a lot of
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  my incessant desire for more all the time and to achieve and to
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  be super independent and self reliant and build a lot of
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  wealth. And you'll never have to trust
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  or rely on on other people's. Because I felt that same thing
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  for my parents is that they just weren't, you know, they didn't
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  see or hear me and they were doing the best they could, but
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  through their programming, that's all they knew.
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  Yeah, that is definitely a common problem amongst many
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  people that like to achieve more.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you do you feel that most the entrepreneurs you work with have
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  that similar like upbringing or that that thing that they got
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  from their parents like that programming?
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  Some, especially the folks that are having wealth or grown up
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  with wealth or grown up with they, they, they grew up with
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  parents that were building wealth.
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  I think that both scenarios created a lot of absentee
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  parents. And my parents never really
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  acquired wealth in, in, you know, a traditional like, oh,
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  they're wealthy type sense. But they definitely was able to
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  get me to like through my education, they were able to get
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  me to where I wanted to go as a launching pad.
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  So I owe a lot of, you know, what I have done through to
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  them. That being said, I there was a
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  year I only saw my father once, but he worked 364 days that year
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  over over time. So I didn't see him at all.
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  What did he do? He was a manager at like
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  electrical. I don't even know what the
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  company really does. It's like a chemical electrical
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  company where they, they do circuit board stuff.
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  They do different things. A lot of the manufacturing that
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  are happening in Asia like 20-30 years ago were already, you
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  know, chip manufacturing and all that.
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  So he was dealing with the electrical side of the the
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  company. Now, did you grow up in Asia and
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  move here? Were you born here?
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  So I was born in China, grew up in Hong Kong till I was 16 and I
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  moved to Massachusetts, Massachusetts myself.
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  So my parents stayed and then I left.
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  Yeah. And what was the main reason
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  that you left? Yeah, I, I told him I want to be
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  an astronaut. And I was like, ah, you know, I
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  need to pursue my dream. And, and I went to Massachusetts
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  because I was like, oh, you know what, I can go to MIT, I can go
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  do and, you know, become that engineer that I wanted to be or
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  an astronaut, you know, whatever.
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  And yeah, life has other plans, at least in the short term for
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  me. That's fascinating.
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  So you go to MIT 16 years. Old, I didn't go to MIT or I
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  mean. You go to the math you wanted.
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  To. Yes, yeah, at 16.
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  And so you finished high school there.
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  And then what happened between there and being an astronaut
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  that led you a different way? So I realized my grades were not
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  very good from Hong Kong and there was no chance I was going
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  to get into like one of the Tier 1 universities because I only
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  had a year in Massachusetts to make up for the grades that I
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  and I barely spoke English. So going to school wasn't
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  exactly easy for me to in terms of, to excel.
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  And so in order for me, even if I got straight A's that year, I
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  couldn't have make up for all the terrible grades that I got
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  growing up in Hong Kong because, well, I mentioned a little
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  earlier that my mother got sick and so I was absent from school
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  often. And, and there was like a whole
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  year that I was not even there. I was just, well, in a different
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  city and chilling by myself, waiting for my mom to heal.
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  So grades weren't necessarily strong.
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  So I didn't get in. Long story short, I didn't even
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  apply. I instead went to a church
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  school in the West and then I became, well, after I joined
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  the, the school, I joined the church also and became a
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  missionary, which was, you know, masked, wanting to be an
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  astronaut and then it became a missionary, right?
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  Huge difference. I think a lot of it was I didn't
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  understand that to get what I want in life, it's not just how
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  big the size of the dream is, it's how much skill I have, how
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  many skills I have and how deep I developed those skills.
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  And one of the skills that most people are too afraid, including
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  myself at the time, to develop was the ability to really get to
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  know someone and preach to their souls in a sense.
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  How do you really speak to someone's unconscious?
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  And so that missionary experience that took about two
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  years really altered my entire neurology about how I see
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  people. Prior to that, I was all about
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  me. It was like, I'm going to serve
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  myself. I'm going to like, it's about me
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  making money. It's about, and you know, even
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  as a teenager, I was like, this is my goal.
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  I'm going to do this. I'm going to achieve, achieve.
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  Even though my grades weren't that awesome, I came to the
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  States. I did everything by myself.
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  I was like, I'm going to make this happen, but on the mission
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  I learned to not focus on myself as much.
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  And every day I was taught that you need to learn to love a
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  complete stranger and serve them.
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  And so that was a complete 180 flip.
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  And I think that that was the beginning really of my, if I
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  were to trace back, that was probably the single biggest
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  pivoting point of my life that led me to building upgrade.
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  Wow. And you just chose on your own
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  to go serve as a mission. Yes, voluntary.
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  Voluntary, yeah. And were you raised religious at
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  all? Or no, no, no.
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  Were you suffering and in a lot of pain throughout your young
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  adult years and high school years?
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  Like, were you, I don't know, anxiety, emptiness, depression,
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  things like that ever you just kind of focused on achieving and
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  just dialed in? Like where was that switch that
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  you just went from astronaut to church?
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  Like, was there a moment that caused you to go seek something
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  greater than yourself? So I'd learned to zoom out.
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  I learned to zoom out because it's not that I've given up on
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  the astronaut dream. My plan is to in invest in
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  aerospace companies and the the new space race is coming, if not
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  already here. So there's a lot of
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  opportunities for the commercial side rather than the, you know,
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  government side of space. That being said, I zoomed out to
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  see that I at the time met a gentleman who was, I think he
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  was the CFO of American Express. He came and spoke at my
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  university. This is before I decided to go
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  on a mission. He spoke at my university and he
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  later on became the CEO, no CFO of Citigroup.
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  I asked him what's your number one advice for someone like
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  myself? Like I'm an immigrant, have zero
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  skills, just starting college. My English was OK back then and
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  still working on it. I, I learned to be really humble
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  and ask questions, right? And of course from a guy like
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  that was I'm, I'm listening. And he said, you know, what
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  really changed my life was those two years I spent as a
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  missionary. I was like, there's no way I'm
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  not going to do that. Like, that's crazy.
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  I'm not going to sacrifice 2 years of my life to volunteer
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  terribly, Go preach to people Like religion is personal,
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  right? Like I'm not going to go do
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  that. He's like, no, you don't
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  understand. If you can sell religion, you
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  can sell anything. Yeah, I didn't go because I
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  wanted to learn how to sell anything.
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  I went because I did have the conviction.
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  At the same time, I was like, wow, I'm not going to go the
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  tradition traditional route to do space stuff.
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  I'm going to become the investor.
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  I'm going to be on the commercial side.
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  I need money. If I'm going to have money and
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  funding, the ability to learn how to invest, persuade,
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  communicate is crucial. And there's no better full on
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  diving into the the space of communication then being a
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  missionary 24/7, talking to people, preaching something
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  that's intangible. And so that was that was crazy
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  because I've never seen my dad cry in my entire life.
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  That was the only time, even when my mom was sick, I didn't
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  even see him cry, but I was like, I'm going on a mission and
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  he cried like when he dropped me off at the airport, he cried
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  like unstoppably cried. And I was like, what's going on?
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  Right? Like, and I think he just like
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  thought he lost his son because I'm like, he's like, why in the
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  world would you sacrifice 2 years of your life in the middle
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  of college to go do something so ridiculous that I don't believe
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  in? And I couldn't explain it.
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  I was just like, I want to learn persuasion.
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  He's like, go read a book, go take a class.
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  I'm like, but it's nothing like being on the streets of New York
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  preaching literally for two years, no breaks.
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  So that was that was wild for me.
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  Did he ever come back and understand in the future or does
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  he still not understand why he did it?
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  Funny thing is, I'm not really. I'm not even religious now.
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  My parents are actually visiting from Hong Kong right now.
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  Oh wow, yeah. So I, I hang out with them.
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  My relationship with them has completely transformed.
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  I also did a lot of work with them using the things we've
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  developed at Upgrade. From my younger selves
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  perspective, I thought they were difficult, but really they were
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  stressed, they were anxious, they were depressed, they were
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  frustrated, they were stressed. They were just young adults
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  trying to deal. I didn't understand or have that
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  perspective back then, but I do now.
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  And I also, you know, spent some years helping them.
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  Yeah, it's fascinating once you start to rewire your
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  subconscious and heal yourself and really have the awareness to
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  be able to understand, like why you believe the way you do or
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  feel the things you do or think the way you do or see the world
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  the way you do. And we always, you know, you.
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  I've realized in myself, I had all this resentment or judgment
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  towards my family because I didn't agree with the way they
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  said things or did things or acted or whatever.
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  But then once I realized like, OK, I have to take
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  accountability, like I'm creating my reality.
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  All of this actually was a gift, the greatest gift to me.
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  And I don't have to actually agree with the way they operate
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  to love them unconditionally for who they are and to accept
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  everything as a gift in my life for even though I wanted it
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  different before. It's a.
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  Beautiful perspective, yes, a gift indeed.
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  Yeah, yeah, I, I heard this guy say once is like everything, all
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  of your suffering is truly your greatest gift from God.
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  And I, I believe that now with all of my heart because it it
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  makes you who you are and it makes you like it.
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  For me, it helped me have a big heart.
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  It helped me be independent and help me learn how to go create
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  and serve and solve problems in the world.
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  It made me have big dreams and ambition and you know, not just
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  talking about my family, but just like every piece of
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  suffering that I've been through in my life.
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  And when you can reprogram your mind and understand that it's a
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  gift and have ultimate gratitude for it.
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  Like for instance, someone could say, how could losing your
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  mother or your father or your best friend or your brother or
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  something like that, How could that loss be?
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  How could you truly be grateful for that loss and that level of
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  suffering? But I would say, well, that loss
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  is a gift because it allows you now to see other people and to
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  connect with other people that you have in a way that you
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  didn't before because you didn't have the awareness of the
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  preciousness of time and connection.
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  And you also get to have the empathy now for the pain that
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  other people around you are going through through their
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  losses. And you wouldn't be able to see
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  that if you didn't experience the loss yourself.
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  And so, truly, it is a gift. Yeah, the awareness, that's the
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  word I hear, the awareness, because a lot of times it's,
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  it's that life has a way of bringing awareness to that, to
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  us. And sometimes we can't control
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  it, sometimes we can. And so one of the things I've
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  noticed is that if one can shift that awareness to earlier on,
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  that awareness will be able to prevent some of the tragedies in
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  some cases, right? Not all of them, but in some
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  cases. And, and so I think that, as
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  you're saying, the gift, a big component of that is awareness
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  and empathy. So if we can somehow install
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  that in people earlier, I suspect there's a way to
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  minimize some of the tragedies. Yeah.
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  Which is exactly what we want to learn today.
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  Yes. So you started studying your
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  mind and, like, really investing in your mind in 2015.
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  Yeah. Why?
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  My mother when she was sick I took a year ish off of school
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  and my uncle noticed like I was just crying all the time.
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  I was like 7 years old and you know like a little kid just
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  crying all the time depressed. And he also wanted to entertain
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  me. He was like, let me take you to
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  the bookstore and, you know, show you some cool books.
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  Go look around and see what you like.
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  And culturally, I remember as when I when I was growing up,
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  bookstores where things are fun. Like that's where the fun was,
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  at least in my family. So I was like, Oh yes, love to
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  write, go into the bookstore. And I remember stepping foot
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  into the bookstore and I noticed there was a section about the
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  mine, about the, the, the supernatural stuff.
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  And keep in mind this is not the United States.
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  We're talking about China back in the the mid 90s.
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  And so the bookstores were very different than the books here.
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  And they're the government's, at least as far as I'm aware of,
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  still doesn't. But back then definitely did not
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  filter many of the books. It's pretty free.
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  Like you could read just about any kind of supernatural stuff
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  that was out there as long as there's not like, nothing
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  dangerous and bad stuff, whatever bad means.
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  So I picked up a number of books and as a 7 year old, I couldn't
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  read everything. But I, I, I had nothing else to
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  do. So I'm just like, OK, what does
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  that word mean? Right?
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  What is that? So I would ask my uncle, my
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  grandparents. And so I started reading these
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  books on this, this supernatural relationship between the mind
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  and our reality. And at the time it triggered a
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  thought. I was like, what if there's
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  something I could do that could alter something that I have no
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  control over? Because most people, you'll,
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  you'll hear it in modern day high performance podcasts or
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  trainings or seminars or universities, you know, whatever
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  people will say, there are things you can control and there
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  are things you cannot control. I don't fully believe that
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  there's that separation. I believe that there are things
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  we understand and can influence through our understanding, and
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  there are things we don't know how to influence because we lack
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  understanding. So I thought, what if I can
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  gain? I was fantasizing, right?
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  Because I'm like my mother's sake.
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  I want her to heal. What if there's something I can
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  do that's not physical that could change that?
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  And I had no idea what could be done or not.
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  I was just fantasizing. And I would visualize how she
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  would get well and how I would be able to be embraced by her
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  again and how she would come back.
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  And I would have my mother, you know, the rest of, you know,
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  however long wonderfully the the events did pan out.
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  She did, you know, survive the the terrible surgery that she
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  had to go through. And I look back at that moment,
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  I'm like, there's something there.
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  That was the, I would say one of the first moments I was like,
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  OK, there's a relationship between the non physical and the
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  physical, But the question is not how do we, how do we just
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  fantasize about it? Which a lot of people out there
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  that are really woo woo and and very much like, oh, let's just
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  manifest. I'm not trash talking on the
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  groups that love to talk manifestation because there's a
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  word that people love to use for marketing, but I don't believe
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  in manifestation. I believe in how do we
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  systematically like like an engineering project?
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  How do we systematically influence something that
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  actually has everything to do with getting what we want in the
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  physical, something non physical that influences the physical?
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  What can we do repeatedly and systematically?
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  So that led to what we what we've been developing the last
• 22:26
  10 plus years Co upgrade. And So what what is your initial
• 22:29
  training look like when you started to dive it because you
• 22:32
  had started a company prior to upgrade called Dark energy?
• 22:38
  Oh yeah, I should tell. Yeah.
• 22:39
  Yeah. So what what happened in that
• 22:41
  transition and what was dark energy and why did you decide to
• 22:44
  exit that and and start upgrade? So Fast forward after I, I, I
• 22:49
  went on my mission and came home.
• 22:51
  I witnessed a lot of really cool things and religious people will
• 22:56
  call it miracles and I I wouldn't call it anything else.
• 22:59
  That being said, I'm just not OK sitting there and saying this is
• 23:05
  just a miracle. I believe that even in the
• 23:08
  religious frame, well, it says in the Christian Bible greater
• 23:13
  things you will do. I'm like, well, how do we do it
• 23:18
  right? And I'm not saying that like
• 23:20
  it's not spiritual. What I'm saying is there are
• 23:23
  things that humans tend to offload and say, no, it's not my
• 23:27
  responsibility to take action because it's out of my control.
• 23:31
  I was like, well, how much responsibility can we take if we
• 23:34
  were to be told, again, taking the Christian theological frame,
• 23:38
  if we were to be told that we're going to be heirs of the
• 23:41
  Kingdom, how can we be worthy of being an heir of the Kingdom if
• 23:45
  we're not even willing to take responsibility of the Kingdom,
• 23:50
  Right. So I thought, OK, what can I do?
• 23:53
  And I, I went from an art major before the mission to
• 23:58
  engineering. And then I got into engineering.
• 24:01
  I got an internship, had a great time.
• 24:05
  And then I realized the happiest time of my life was when I was a
• 24:10
  mission missionary. And it was also the most
• 24:14
  excruciating time of my life. Every day, I don't think I tell
• 24:18
  many people this, but every day I want to go home.
• 24:20
  Like not a day went by that I did not want to go home because
• 24:24
  I couldn't talk to any of my friends.
• 24:27
  I could only talk to my families twice that year.
• 24:28
  Like each year work from 6:30 AM to 10:30 PM every single day.
• 24:34
  And the entire mission was serve as many people as possible,
• 24:39
  however you see fit and baptize and and convert and help people.
• 24:45
  Right? So to answer your question
• 24:47
  directly, I came back study engineering and I look back, I'm
• 24:50
  like, that was the happiest time of my life.
• 24:52
  I can't sit in front of the desk doing computer stuff all the
• 24:55
  time. It's like, what can I do to
• 24:57
  blend the two together? And so at that time, I was like,
• 25:01
  maybe I just need to build a startup.
• 25:03
  And so I went to the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas that
• 25:07
  year and I started looking for ideas.
• 25:09
  I saw the group back in the very back corner of the conference
• 25:14
  space that nobody even cares to talk to.
• 25:16
  They were battery manufacturers. And I was like, oh, these
• 25:20
  batteries look so ugly and so huge and terribly designed.
• 25:25
  I can blend the discipline of design and engineering and make
• 25:29
  them look smaller, prettier, and more useful and sell them.
• 25:33
  And that was when not a lot of people even knew power banks.
• 25:37
  Oregon battery packs existed. 2010 Eleven era. 2011 era.
• 25:43
  And so I pitched one of my friends from college, I was
• 25:45
  like, hey, you're a mechanical engineer like you're of you
• 25:49
  know, he's very intelligent. I was like, why don't we partner
• 25:52
  up and do this? Let's fly to China, talk to
• 25:54
  manufacturers and see what happens, right?
• 25:58
  I was like, let's go for it. So we were crazy.
• 26:02
  We had no ideas how much we didn't know, but we fundraised 2
• 26:06
  campaigns on Kickstarter, did about 200 and 70K ish or so like
• 26:14
  in a very short period of time. And and that was no pun
• 26:19
  intended, literally the kick start of my startup career.
• 26:23
  But two years went by, we grew to a certain size, but we were
• 26:28
  broke from the outside, we look really good from the inside we
• 26:32
  did not and both of us were suffering.
• 26:34
  And I told my Co founder I'm like, hey man, like I think
• 26:37
  something's wrong. Like something's wrong.
• 26:40
  I don't know what it is. Maybe it's marketing, maybe it's
• 26:44
  psychological, maybe it's something else.
• 26:46
  He's like, I think you just get got to work more.
• 26:48
  There's no blame in that situation because neither of us
• 26:51
  really knew and both of us grew up in cultures where work hard
• 26:55
  is the solution. I took that into consideration
• 26:59
  and then I was like, but work hard on what?
• 27:01
  We work 15 hour days, no weekends, like no social life.
• 27:04
  Work hard on what? Right.
• 27:06
  It's something here that's missing.
• 27:08
  So I need to fix that. So I took off from the company
• 27:12
  and then I signed up on a training that I've been
• 27:15
  researching for like almost a decade.
• 27:17
  But I was too chicken to sign up because I was like, I don't have
• 27:20
  that kind of money. And why would I buy something so
• 27:24
  intangible with that much money? I would just go read books.
• 27:27
  I'll watch YouTube videos. But I was like, you know what?
• 27:30
  I'm lacking feedback from a human to tell me this is what
• 27:35
  you're doing wrong. This is how you can do better.
• 27:37
  And I was like, I need that right now more than ever.
• 27:40
  So I took money that I didn't have and I pay for the training
• 27:45
  and the rest is history. I mean, there's so much that
• 27:47
  happened between then and now, but that was that was the
• 27:51
  beginning, the actual beginning of upgrade and.
• 27:54
  What was the training? So it was on hypnotism and neuro
• 27:58
  linguistic programming. And yeah, that's that's
• 28:03
  basically the gist of yeah. And so you're a certified
• 28:06
  hypnotist and NLP, just keep it simple.
• 28:10
  Yeah, NLP practitioner. And so you're, you know, have,
• 28:15
  was it 65 lessons in your training?
• 28:19
  The simple way to put it, NLP is a very interesting system
• 28:23
  because there's a lot of, there are a lot of charlatans.
• 28:27
  And I don't think I would have known had I not been in the, the
• 28:30
  industry that training with a lot of wonderful people, good
• 28:35
  intentions, good heart, but really don't know what they're
• 28:38
  doing. And then there are true masters
• 28:41
  in the field, but it's like, how do you tell the difference if
• 28:43
  you've never been trained? So I actually spent seven years
• 28:46
  going through their master program, their their instructor
• 28:50
  program, and then their master instructor program.
• 28:52
  Back then I was hoping to certify instructors through the
• 28:56
  American Board of NLP. But by the time I got to the
• 29:00
  seven-year mark, I was like, I see all of the flaws as an
• 29:05
  engineer that would make things hard to be repeated.
• 29:10
  And the flaws are not necessarily flaws in the
• 29:15
  designer or the instructors there.
• 29:18
  It's not those. It's the flaw in terms of human
• 29:21
  perception at the time, in that era.
• 29:24
  So imagine if you grew up without tablets, smartphones or
• 29:28
  computers. You would see the world
• 29:30
  differently than if you have smartphones that you could
• 29:32
  literally do everything. The world is in your, in your
• 29:35
  palm. Your perception of reality would
• 29:38
  be different. So back then, NLP was developed
• 29:41
  in the 70s. You can imagine how computing
• 29:45
  was like versus computing now. And when the graphical user
• 29:49
  interface, meaning you can drag and drop and throw something
• 29:52
  away, it's so easy and intuitive.
• 29:55
  Now on your tablet, you can do that without thinking.
• 29:58
  Kids can do it without thinking. Well, back then you have to code
• 30:02
  things. So in short, I decided what if I
• 30:07
  can take NLP and restructure it into something that's really
• 30:12
  user friendly and has a graphical user interface so that
• 30:16
  humans can interface with their own unconscious, which is really
• 30:20
  the key to everything in life in a graphical and user friendly
• 30:25
  way. So that was the the concept as I
• 30:31
  began to develop. Did you develop an app?
• 30:33
  Like when someone does training with you, is it?
• 30:35
  Good question. It was all trainings at first.
• 30:38
  So I just did live trainings and people would pay and then they
• 30:42
  would come to a week long training and then we would train
• 30:45
  them on how to use their unconscious mind.
• 30:48
  And we had really great results. So all, all the all the people
• 30:53
  that we got, many of them were referring people.
• 30:57
  And so some of the most wonderful scenarios, most
• 31:01
  wonderful clients have come through these referrals,
• 31:04
  including some of our mutual friends, right.
• 31:06
  And that being said, we then start thinking and realizing
• 31:11
  where people go to a training. But just like many trainings, no
• 31:13
  matter how good you are at teaching trainings, people go
• 31:17
  home and they're like, crap, I don't remember what I need to
• 31:19
  do. So we started adding coaching,
• 31:23
  but it's not life coaching. It's like, Hey, here are how you
• 31:26
  can continue to actually use it and, and let us take you through
• 31:29
  it. Then I realized there's a lot of
• 31:32
  stuff that humans do that are completely unnecessary.
• 31:35
  Like, hey, here's how you can join the Zoom call, or hey,
• 31:39
  here's how you can pay for the invoice.
• 31:42
  Things that are that can be done with AI and or you know, apps.
• 31:47
  So we started using some of the the app platforms that are out
• 31:53
  there, but we haven't found anything that actually fit what
• 31:57
  we wanted. All these years now I've spent
• 32:01
  over 6 or $7,000,000 developing this and 10 plus years but I
• 32:06
  hadn't found anything yet. What we have perfected is the
• 32:11
  actual training and the coaching.
• 32:13
  But I will, I would have to admit, like even with all these
• 32:16
  years and millions of dollars spent, the tech system hasn't
• 32:19
  been perfected yet, and it's at times even not organized.
• 32:27
  Interesting. But yeah, so you say that
• 32:29
  there's was at 11, your unconscious mind process is
• 32:33
  11,000,000 bits of data per second and the conscious mind
• 32:37
  handles 50. So what is happening throughout
• 32:41
  the day in a person's subconscious mind that's really
• 32:45
  running them that they really don't even understand?
• 32:48
  Love your questions. So the easiest way to put it is
• 32:51
  we get bombarded with 11 to 20 million bits of data per second,
• 32:56
  but we boil it down to AI would say a understandable chunk of 50
• 33:03
  to 120 something bits of data. And there's various numbers out
• 33:08
  there. That really means that about
• 33:11
  99.999% of the data is not conscious.
• 33:16
  So everything we see here, feel, smell, taste, we're not actually
• 33:22
  picking most of it up. So that's why if our mind,
• 33:28
  because our minds filtering that data.
• 33:30
  So if we don't shift the filter, 1 can process a reality that's
• 33:35
  not favorable. And you, you explain the brain
• 33:38
  as a as an actual operating system and you've even, I think
• 33:41
  you've trademarked the human operating system is.
• 33:44
  I think that we'd we trademark the upgrade operating system.
• 33:48
  Upgrade operating system. Our brains are an operating
• 33:51
  system, and we're subconsciously processing all this information
• 33:55
  that we don't even know about. And it's altering the way that
• 33:58
  we show up, the way that we think, the way that we see the
• 34:00
  world, the way that we believe, and ultimately creates bugs in
• 34:04
  our programming, which are these limiting beliefs that are really
• 34:06
  being run subconsciously without our decision.
• 34:10
  Think of the brain as just the hardware part of the hardware.
• 34:13
  OK, so the mind. Within the mind there's a
• 34:16
  operating system. OK.
• 34:18
  Yeah. So like, how are you
• 34:20
  identifying, how does somebody identify the bugs that they have
• 34:23
  in their system? Yes, this is a great question.
• 34:27
  So at first, a lot of people who want to find the bugs, if they
• 34:33
  just sit around and find they won't find them like it would,
• 34:36
  it would take an event to happen for them to see the bug.
• 34:39
  Like what? Sometimes good events, sometimes
• 34:42
  bad events, sometimes everything in between, right?
• 34:45
  An event that gets your attention, like some of the
• 34:47
  things that we were talking about earlier, the gifts that
• 34:50
  happened, that brings us awareness.
• 34:52
  Sometimes not so positive events, right?
• 34:55
  But we process them and then it becomes positive because of the
• 34:58
  learnings that we receive at the back end.
• 35:00
  If there were events that we could actually resolve the bugs
• 35:05
  in advance, some of those may not have to happen.
• 35:08
  Some of those right? And I can't speak in a definite
• 35:12
  term. That being said, we can actually
• 35:14
  avoid a lot of problems in life if we can identify the bugs.
• 35:18
  But the paradox is if those event don't happen, how do you
• 35:21
  find the bugs, right. Well, so we've developed
• 35:23
  something where if you actually zoom out far enough to design
• 35:28
  your goals and your outcomes that you want, you can actually
• 35:32
  see what you want. And because you're now seeing
• 35:35
  what you want as sort of like a point B and where you are as
• 35:39
  point A, now there's a gap. And that gap allows you to
• 35:44
  illuminate within your own subconscious what some of the
• 35:48
  bugs are. And the bigger the goals, the
• 35:50
  more long term the goals are, the more bugs you will reveal.
• 35:54
  Yeah, so that's what I call like my true north, my true north
• 35:57
  playbook of what do I want to create?
• 35:59
  What do I want to accomplish? Where do I want to go?
• 36:01
  And beyond that is why, right? Is it just this programming, if
• 36:05
  I'm not enough, I'm not worthy, I need to prove myself like
• 36:08
  blah, blah, blah. Or is it mission driven?
• 36:11
  Is it from love? Is it from creation?
• 36:13
  Like what is the intention behind it all?
• 36:14
  And so I'm always, that was a big shift when I invested in my
• 36:18
  first coach that, you know, I was afraid to spend the money
• 36:22
  on. That was really, it is like the
• 36:23
  intention behind everything that I was doing was wrong.
• 36:26
  But I like that you said is first you have to know where you
• 36:28
  even want to go and then to identify the bugs.
• 36:31
  It's why am I not there or like, why am I not on track or why am
• 36:35
  I not progressing? And so once you someone starts
• 36:39
  working with you and someone's identifying the pattern of, OK,
• 36:43
  I want to create this in my life.
• 36:44
  I want to hit this amount of income or I want to, you know,
• 36:47
  have this kind of relationship or this kind of impact.
• 36:50
  And I just feel stuck here. Or I'm repeating the same
• 36:54
  behavior or pattern, or I've just can't get through this
• 36:56
  ceiling of income or I keep having the same toxic
• 36:59
  relationship over and over again, or whatever that
• 37:02
  awareness of the bugs might be. What's like, what's the next
• 37:05
  step for them to actually start to rewire those and and fix the
• 37:10
  bugs in their operating system so they can get through those
• 37:13
  blocks that are holding them back from achieving the things
• 37:16
  that they want to create. And not only achieving the
• 37:19
  things that they want to achieve, but do it in a way
• 37:22
  that's not filled with resistance and force.
• 37:24
  Like you say you know not that hustle culture like grinded out
• 37:28
  but start to attract those things in their life with more
• 37:30
  ease. I'm going to answer the question
• 37:32
  with a question and then I'll dive into it.
• 37:34
  Yeah, You know how when people ask you, how are you?
• 37:38
  What do you typically say? I'm great.
• 37:40
  How are you? Yeah, because most of us in in,
• 37:43
  you know, where we live here, when people ask that, it's just
• 37:47
  more like a greeting. They're not really trying to
• 37:49
  find out how you are, right? Like, unless their tones
• 37:52
  indicating like, how are you? And then you might be like,
• 37:56
  maybe I'll open up a little bit more.
• 37:58
  Well, often time when people tell you their goals and where
• 38:02
  they want to be and then like they, they're like, I want to
• 38:06
  find my bugs, but they're really just like saying, how are you?
• 38:10
  They're not really wanting a deep dive yet.
• 38:13
  So we've built our system for people that actually want to
• 38:17
  deep dive. We create a layer where people
• 38:20
  could actually deep dive without feeling that pressure.
• 38:24
  They can get to know themselves and ease into it and find their
• 38:28
  bugs. So instead of just saying, Hey,
• 38:31
  what do you want? Tell me what you really want and
• 38:34
  design that and then fix the bugs because we see the gap at
• 38:37
  that point. We're like, OK, well we want to
• 38:42
  get to know you a little bit before you even tell us what you
• 38:45
  want. Why don't you take this audit?
• 38:49
  So we created an audit. So people can take the audit in
• 38:52
  about 6 minutes, maybe 5. We can see what inside of their
• 38:58
  mind may be creating massive bugs, some really massive ones,
• 39:02
  sometimes smaller ones. And they will see in general how
• 39:06
  they're creating that problem. And it's an audit that we
• 39:08
  actually created. And no one else out there has
• 39:11
  done something like this or, you know, this exact formula.
• 39:17
  And so once someone has taken that, then we're like, OK, now
• 39:20
  you see why you're, so you're so worried about your safety and
• 39:25
  your, your, your current security.
• 39:29
  Of course you're not expanding or someone who's like, oh, I'm
• 39:32
  an entrepreneur, I want to build this massive business.
• 39:34
  I'm going to hit this goal. But they are not actually in
• 39:39
  their security. They don't feel secure because
• 39:41
  they're having these ups and downs of, you know, in terms of
• 39:44
  cash flow, they might be like one month totally abundant.
• 39:48
  The next month they're crashing. They're like, oh shit, I don't
• 39:51
  have money for bills. I've been there, right?
• 39:53
  Like most entrepreneurs have been there.
• 39:55
  But imagine in that position, they're like, I want to make
• 39:57
  billions. That's incongruency.
• 39:59
  So the first step we. Do before we even get into
• 40:02
  helping someone solve their problem or set goals is to
• 40:05
  identify the general bugs. So we developed a tool for that
• 40:09
  because if I I wait for someone to design what they want, often
• 40:13
  time it takes too long and most people don't know what they
• 40:14
  want. So anyway, then Step 2, we
• 40:17
  actually teach them how to design, which roughly takes a
• 40:23
  week to a month and then we have them design like 5 different
• 40:28
  layers of stuff. Then the bugs reveal themself.
• 40:32
  Then we teach them how to remove them and resolve the problem.
• 40:36
  But the resolving of the problem is actually really easy if
• 40:40
  you're clear about what the problem is.
• 40:44
  And now another good news is the resolution used to take hours
• 40:48
  per problem. When I first started training in
• 40:51
  NLP and hypnotism, a lot of the tools that were present at the
• 40:55
  time were like the technology we had at the time.
• 40:59
  They were slower, they take longer time.
• 41:01
  It require a lot more explanation.
• 41:02
  People need to know, just like back then, if you need to use
• 41:05
  the computer in the 70s, you need to be a coder, but now you,
• 41:09
  anyone can use it. So we developed something that
• 41:11
  allow people to remove their bugs really fast so then they
• 41:16
  can move on to taking action really effortlessly.
• 41:19
  So it's about removing the drag in the system.
• 41:24
  And do you use like? Is your program mostly around
• 41:29
  NLP and hypnotism? That's about 10% of what we do.
• 41:33
  10%, yeah. What's the other 90?
• 41:35
  We developed a lot of stuff ourselves and we've also
• 41:38
  aggregated different tools even from remote viewing, which was
• 41:43
  also AUS military project that trained the mind to be hyper
• 41:47
  intuitive to the degree in which the mind can actually download
• 41:51
  data through well, what they called the matrix field.
• 41:56
  Which not to get into it because I did like a 5 hour podcast with
• 42:01
  David Morehouse, the guy from the guy who leaked the the whole
• 42:05
  program. It was a black budget program
• 42:07
  that the US military developed with Stanford.
• 42:10
  So imagine this, I don't know. Have you heard of remote viewing
• 42:13
  before? I think Joe Rogan was saying not
• 42:18
  too long ago he's like, I wish there was a training on remote
• 42:21
  viewing. There is.
• 42:22
  And it's actually through US. So imagine we're sitting here
• 42:27
  and I gave you an 8 digit number, a set of 8 digit
• 42:30
  numbers, and I don't give you anything else.
• 42:33
  No hint, no nothing, no information whatsoever.
• 42:38
  And then you've been trained through the protocol.
• 42:40
  Now let's say you can be given a stack of white paper and you can
• 42:46
  take a black table like that. No, no distractions, nothing.
• 42:50
  Just clear black table and you can actually drop into an ultra
• 42:54
  state and start to draw data from that target that the 8
• 43:00
  digit numbers attached to. Sounds bonkers.
• 43:04
  Sounds totally bonkers. Sounds like a sci-fi thing, but
• 43:07
  it is real. And I was extremely skeptical
• 43:11
  even though I heard that David Morehouse had trained 10s of
• 43:15
  thousands of people in the decades of time that he started
• 43:18
  leaking that information. He doesn't like to be called
• 43:23
  whistleblower, but he let everybody know that program
• 43:26
  exists. And I asked him why.
• 43:28
  Why would you? Why would you do that and risk
• 43:30
  his life doing it? He said.
• 43:33
  Because I went from believing to knowing that humans are way more
• 43:37
  capable than we have allowed ourselves to believe.
• 43:41
  And so I needed the world. I needed humanity to know.
• 43:45
  And because of that, I, I will never not respect the guy
• 43:50
  because of just that one act alone.
• 43:52
  And so taking, taking his, having taken his training, I was
• 43:56
  like, I got to bring some of that into upgrade and he
• 44:01
  actually teach with us that remote viewing training that I
• 44:05
  talked about. That being said, we incorporated
• 44:08
  a lot of stuff using remote viewing to test what could be,
• 44:15
  what could be something that we haven't considered before that
• 44:18
  would work well. Sometimes there's no answer
• 44:20
  anywhere. So we have to use our mind to,
• 44:24
  to intuitively solve it. So we've developed through that
• 44:28
  and testing and testing, we don't develop anything and
• 44:31
  release anything unless we test them.
• 44:33
  So we test them with our clients, we test them.
• 44:36
  And so over the last 10-11 years we've tested a lot.
• 44:40
  So that's why I said 10% ish NLP and it's the foundation.
• 44:45
  But the 90% is, it's, it's the difference that makes the
• 44:50
  biggest difference, I would say. What's like a practical
• 44:53
  application of remote viewing on how someone like how would I use
• 44:57
  that in my, you know, commercial finance firm or I want to get my
• 45:01
  revenue from here to here or something practical like it?
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  Because conceptually it just sounds crazy if you're you've
• 45:07
  given number and you can download data from it.
• 45:09
  But what does that actually mean in real life?
• 45:11
  That someone would want to actually learn that?
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  It's like having a computer without the Internet.
• 45:16
  If we upgrade the human mind and the human mind cannot connect to
• 45:20
  an incredibly infinite database of knowledge, events, anything.
• 45:25
  What could the computer do without the Internet versus what
• 45:29
  it could do with the Internet right now?
• 45:30
  Let's get more specific and bring it down to earth what that
• 45:33
  even means. For example, I love to use this
• 45:37
  methodology. I love to design.
• 45:41
  So we, we in our protocols and we share this openly nowadays.
• 45:46
  Back then we only taught this to our highest level VIP program
• 45:50
  which was and our private, well private clients.
• 45:55
  SO150K or more at the minimum is what we would when we would
• 45:59
  reveal this formula. But the formula is actually
• 46:01
  really simple. It's the implementation that
• 46:03
  people hire us right for. Step one is do that general
• 46:08
  audit. Step 2 is designing a long term
• 46:12
  plan. And I'm going to answer your
• 46:14
  question through explaining the context.
• 46:16
  Designing a long term plan. Sometimes you have no idea what
• 46:19
  you want to do because we're asking people to design 100
• 46:22
  years. Like what will you do in 90
• 46:24
  years? Most people would say, I don't
• 46:26
  know, like up until recently people didn't even think it was
• 46:30
  possible to live another 100 years, right?
• 46:33
  If you're in your 20s or 30s or 40s, people don't didn't think
• 46:36
  that way. Well, not to mention, how can
• 46:40
  you get vivid detail of that? It requires some intuitiveness.
• 46:44
  And part of the training in remote viewing is that you learn
• 46:47
  to get really dialed into the sensory data of something that's
• 46:53
  that like, let's say at the target, the 8 digit number that
• 46:57
  you got from the training is Eiffel Tower.
• 46:59
  You may actually taste the the rusty metal taste in your mouth
• 47:06
  and you're like, why am I tasting that?
• 47:09
  Because once you connect with that data, you actually will
• 47:12
  sense you would translate the data in waveform into tangible
• 47:17
  sensory data and then you can translate it onto paper.
• 47:21
  Well, imagine that ability to acutely become aware of things
• 47:26
  that we never even pay attention to the pixels in our reality.
• 47:30
  Now you're so attuned to seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling and
• 47:35
  tasting all of the smallest pixels of reality.
• 47:39
  Then when you design your reality, you become highly
• 47:43
  accurate in how you can design right?
• 47:45
  Highly detailed. Then after we designed the long
• 47:48
  term plan, we teach people how to design meanings like you
• 47:51
  said, right? What's the meaning behind this?
• 47:54
  What's the reason why? Well then we asked them to
• 47:57
  design rewards. Now this is where things get
• 47:59
  crazy. We asked them to design
• 48:01
  experiences as well as things that they want, not to ask them
• 48:06
  to be materialistic, but just they're very trackable, right?
• 48:11
  I've had clients where once they've taken remote viewing,
• 48:15
  they designed these things and they're like, I don't know why
• 48:18
  I'm getting this idea of going to Italy to visit this one
• 48:24
  specific city. I have no idea why.
• 48:27
  Well, they followed the intuition.
• 48:29
  The intuition because during remote viewing training and, and
• 48:33
  as well as many upgrade trainings, you learn to pay
• 48:35
  attention to the signal strength.
• 48:37
  Some signals are stronger than others.
• 48:40
  In general, when we are just sitting, talking, living life,
• 48:44
  the signals are, you know, there's variation, but the
• 48:47
  thoughts we have aren't screaming at us.
• 48:50
  But when you take remote view and you get highly sensitive and
• 48:52
  you notice that little spike means something different.
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  And when you learn to become aware of them, you pick up.
• 48:59
  There's a pattern. The pattern indicates that there
• 49:03
  are things that are just noise that we get in our mind, and
• 49:08
  then we all know that too well. Right.
• 49:09
  Versus noise, yeah. And then there's real signal.
• 49:12
  And then there's our own imagination. 3 categories of
• 49:15
  data. If you can't tell the
• 49:18
  difference, you don't take as much action with as much
• 49:22
  security and certainty, right? So when that client went to
• 49:26
  Italy and went to that specific town and really went there, just
• 49:31
  trusting that little spike that they received when they were,
• 49:35
  you know, when they learned to listen and pay attention, they
• 49:39
  found one of the greatest business opportunities that they
• 49:43
  had been dreaming of their their whole life.
• 49:46
  And they couldn't believe how it just worked.
• 49:49
  People invited them into their homes.
• 49:51
  They offer them equity just because of who they have
• 49:54
  prepared themselves to be. But why In a small little town
• 49:58
  in Italy, right. But that was exactly what they
• 50:02
  wanted, what they designed, but they didn't expect it to be in
• 50:05
  that town or that specific town. So in remote viewing, think of
• 50:09
  it like I sent out what I want by designing what I want.
• 50:14
  I'm broadcasting that signal of what I want by getting really
• 50:17
  specific. But remote viewing allows me to
• 50:20
  receive feedback from this so-called reality before it
• 50:25
  becomes physical so that I know if I should take action or waste
• 50:30
  time, money, resources. Now, I'm not going to guarantee
• 50:33
  that someone who takes remote viewing, they're going to make
• 50:35
  bets that are really intelligent all the time because I can't
• 50:39
  make that kind of guarantee. But can you, if you ask the
• 50:43
  best, the wisest investors and entrepreneurs who've done it
• 50:47
  over and over and over again, especially ones who have a lot
• 50:52
  of decades of experiences, they can pick up that spike in their
• 50:56
  signal intuitively, but they didn't have that training.
• 51:01
  Most of them were like, I just saw the pattern.
• 51:05
  But imagine now there's a training on, in and in tactical
• 51:08
  intuition that can be applied for business.
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  That's crazy. That's why I incorporated that.
• 51:15
  Yeah. And I think that's something
• 51:17
  Steve Jobs would talk about. And Kevin O'Leary talks about
• 51:20
  with his experience working for Steve Jobs is the every great
• 51:24
  CEO is able to really identify signal versus noise.
• 51:28
  And it's so difficult because we have 78,000 plus thoughts a day.
• 51:32
  We have a million podcasts out there.
• 51:35
  We have mentors and coaches and teachers and books and
• 51:38
  everything right news and media. We have all of this noise coming
• 51:42
  in and signal, all this data coming in that's processing
• 51:46
  non-stop. And then it's like, how do we
• 51:49
  determine what is signal and what is noise and what to
• 51:51
  actually act on? Because if you act on the wrong
• 51:53
  thing, you'll just be in this perpetual loop of not getting to
• 51:56
  where you want to go. And the best, most intuitive and
• 52:00
  sharpest people who are able to really create whatever life that
• 52:03
  they envision are so in tune with what is signal and what is
• 52:08
  noise. And they focus so intently on
• 52:11
  the signal that they don't let any of the noise get to them at
• 52:14
  all because they're so clear. And like, this is what I need to
• 52:16
  accomplish. This is what I need to focus on.
• 52:17
  This is what I need to do, whether I go to Italy in this
• 52:20
  small town or whether I make the stock trade or whether I start
• 52:22
  this venture or do this partnership or hire this person
• 52:24
  or invest this capital or whatever.
• 52:26
  Because there's so many different decisions we have to
• 52:28
  make every single day. And that's ultimately what
• 52:30
  creates our reality. And I agree with what you say is
• 52:33
  like, there's things that are out of our control, but we have
• 52:35
  a huge ability to influence what happens around us in our lives,
• 52:40
  right? And it's so fascinating because
• 52:43
  a lot of this stuff that you talk about, it seems very
• 52:46
  abstract. I believe in it fully.
• 52:50
  I know a lot of people, it's a little like too abstract, like
• 52:52
  what does this really mean? And how does this really work?
• 52:55
  And you know, they want the concrete answers of like, how
• 52:59
  can I see it and it be real, right?
• 53:02
  It's like people don't have faith that God doesn't exist
• 53:05
  because they can't see him, right?
• 53:06
  But for me, I'm just like, if we can exist, if we can be sitting
• 53:12
  here in the flesh with consciousness and having a
• 53:14
  conversation and the same water that pours down from the clouds
• 53:18
  is what our bodies are made of and that we drink to survive.
• 53:23
  And that we can be here. That there's thousands of
• 53:25
  species and we're floating on this planet in the middle of
• 53:28
  galaxies. Like if that can exist and if
• 53:31
  that can be real, then being able to alter your subconscious
• 53:38
  and have the intuition and be connected to whatever it is,
• 53:42
  whatever this is, supernatural, God talent, skill, like whatever
• 53:47
  it is like, of course it's possible because we are here, we
• 53:52
  are like, if we are possible, we are proof that anything is
• 53:57
  possible because it's purely creation.
• 53:59
  And so this stuff is so fascinating to me.
• 54:01
  And I haven't been through your training, you know, I've done
• 54:03
  other different types of training, but I haven't actually
• 54:05
  been through the NLP or hypnosis or definitely not the download
• 54:10
  training that you're in. But it's, it's just amazing
• 54:12
  because I, I do believe that anything is possible.
• 54:14
  I know the more that I think that anything is possible, the
• 54:17
  more everything that I want flows to me.
• 54:20
  And I haven't even been through this kind of work that that you
• 54:24
  offer to people. So it's so fascinating to see
• 54:26
  what you've created. I like what you're saying here,
• 54:29
  and I do think it's difficult for most people to see the
• 54:33
  abstract, but I have. I would say there are two, two
• 54:37
  aspects to this. The arts, when someone's on
• 54:41
  survival mode, they're not going to a museum trying to understand
• 54:45
  why Van Gogh is worth X amount of millions.
• 54:49
  They're not. They're like, I need to pay
• 54:51
  bills, right? So it's a different type of
• 54:55
  awareness that a certain type of people seek.
• 54:59
  Typically the folks are on survival.
• 55:02
  This is not the program for them.
• 55:04
  Like we're training family offices or investors,
• 55:09
  entrepreneurs that have succeeded to a certain degree
• 55:12
  and want to go to the next level.
• 55:14
  They've done 90% of what they are actually capable of
• 55:17
  consciously. The last 10% is actually
• 55:21
  exponential, but the last 10% is it's completely unconscious.
• 55:26
  They can't do anything about it. Even I my own unconscious, I
• 55:30
  need other people to help me with because you don't know
• 55:34
  what's behind you when you look at the mirror.
• 55:37
  I can look at the mirror all I want.
• 55:38
  I see everything good and bad or whatever, right?
• 55:41
  Whatever you call it, what I like when I don't like
• 55:44
  everything, but I can't see what's on my back.
• 55:46
  I need somebody to have my back. And that last 10% is where most
• 55:51
  of these entrepreneurs, investors, family offices, they
• 55:54
  don't have someone on their back watching their back.
• 55:58
  And, and they have an echo Chamber of people that are like,
• 56:01
  Oh, I agree with you, I agree with you, I agree with you.
• 56:04
  They're all looking at the same error and not looking at the
• 56:06
  back. So all that said is, but that's
• 56:09
  the same group of people that appreciate the 10%, which is
• 56:12
  very abstract. But the second part of that is
• 56:16
  I'm actually changing the model in which we, we, we show people
• 56:21
  how upgrade works. We don't want people to believe
• 56:23
  us. We want people to know that it
• 56:26
  works when they commit. So even I was talking to the
• 56:32
  podcast studio that we're both utilizing, right?
• 56:36
  The team, the wonderful team. I said why don't I shift from
• 56:41
  just talking about how cool it is to demonstrating.
• 56:46
  And I was like, invite whoever you think will be appropriate
• 56:50
  onto my show next. And we will take them through
• 56:52
  the actual process as if they're one of our VIP clients that pay
• 56:57
  150 grand. Let's show the world what the
• 57:00
  heck we can do that's actually worth the money.
• 57:03
  Let's show all this you're invited.
• 57:06
  I I would be honored that. Would be amazing.
• 57:09
  Yeah, let's do it. Yeah.
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  Let's do it. How much time do you need to do
• 57:12
  it? We'll see.
• 57:14
  I mean, I'll show you the the framework and I'm going to
• 57:17
  actually take you through the 1st part and then we can keep
• 57:20
  going. I mean they're.
• 57:21
  It's like a whole episode. We can.
• 57:22
  Yeah, we can. We can go play by year and we'll
• 57:26
  have fun and plus we both do podcasting.
• 57:29
  I know, I think that's so good, right?
• 57:31
  Because it's hard to put these things into reality and like
• 57:35
  real, I think I read that someone that you worked with
• 57:37
  did, was doing 300,000 a year in income and then she worked with
• 57:41
  you, went through your training and then she was doing 300,000 a
• 57:44
  month in income. And so like, what was that shift
• 57:47
  for her? What did you do with her that
• 57:50
  allowed her to literally 10X what she was doing and get
• 57:54
  through all the bugs and her programming?
• 57:57
  So I can't take all the credits and nor can I make any income
• 58:00
  claims. However, the client who that
• 58:04
  you're you're referring to, I I would say the same process I'm
• 58:08
  going to take you through. You'll see that why it works.
• 58:11
  But to put in simple words, most people don't give themselves
• 58:15
  permission to win bigger than what they saw their parents did.
• 58:20
  And if they do, they will find a way to self sabotage to them be
• 58:24
  related both to the some of the most important people in their
• 58:27
  lives, from their families, their parents, their siblings,
• 58:31
  to their friends that they grew up with, because that social,
• 58:35
  that social gel will pull them back in.
• 58:39
  And so that's one of the biggest things that we have to break.
• 58:42
  But it has to be so clear why you would want to break that.
• 58:45
  The pros and cons. So we actually established a
• 58:47
  decision tree to show someone what are the gains, the hidden
• 58:51
  gains, the secondary gains of remaining the same before we
• 58:56
  actually resolve everything. Yeah, that's fascinating.
• 59:00
  And you do a process, a four phase process, right?
• 59:03
  That's resolve evolution. Very, very.
• 59:07
  So we updated that. I'll give you the updated one.
• 59:09
  Perfect. Yeah.
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  What? What is it?
• 59:11
  Design, resolve, ruminate and then full decision.
• 59:17
  So we designed the outcome we want and there are, you know, 6
• 59:20
  steps in there. And we then show them how to
• 59:24
  remove and we resolve and let go of their past, right?
• 59:28
  We're designing their future and then we, we help them resolve
• 59:32
  the past and then we help them ruminate in the present and
• 59:36
  really become fully present because people who are not
• 59:39
  present, they're not trying to be not present.
• 59:41
  There's something in their past that is going on that's not
• 59:45
  letting them and it's reminding them to go back in and we live
• 59:48
  or resolve, but they don't have the skills to.
• 59:51
  So to be present as especially as an entrepreneur, people that
• 59:54
  are not a lot of them are not present.
• 59:56
  They're like, I'm just working because, like you said earlier,
• 59:59
  there's something in their past they haven't resolved and they
• 1:00:02
  haven't designed something in the future that actually propels
• 1:00:05
  them far enough. To be present because you have
• 1:00:08
  to be present to really reach that next level.
• 1:00:11
  Then finally making a full decision to secede.
• 1:00:14
  And now this is verifiable numbers that has been shown
• 1:00:21
  publicly. My dear friend John Matson went
• 1:00:25
  from 220 to 204240K ish a year when we started working to over
• 1:00:33
  50,000. No over apologies to over
• 1:00:37
  $50,002,000 last year. So there's a jump there.
• 1:00:43
  Right. Yeah, that's a big jump.
• 1:00:45
  Now, I'm not going to say everybody who goes through our
• 1:00:47
  programs going to experience that.
• 1:00:50
  I have seen network net worth spikes that are ridiculous, even
• 1:00:54
  more ridiculous than that. But I can't comment on specific
• 1:00:57
  numbers and or what it is not necessary just because of the
• 1:01:01
  numbers, but like they're ridiculous and in different
• 1:01:04
  ways. I have to be really careful
• 1:01:06
  about what I say because I want people to have no expectations
• 1:01:13
  in a sense that what would you expect if you were the most
• 1:01:16
  upgraded version of you, right? So the expectations should be
• 1:01:21
  high, but it should be also not there because if you're the
• 1:01:24
  ultimate version of you, you're going to achieve so much.
• 1:01:27
  So it's not about expectation or not having expectations.
• 1:01:30
  I don't want people to come through our upgrade program and
• 1:01:32
  be like, I expect to be a multi multi millionaire because I
• 1:01:35
  joined this program. Well, they still have to put in
• 1:01:39
  the work. John didn't just like wake up
• 1:01:43
  the next day became 50 millionaire, right?
• 1:01:45
  His his company's worth way more than that.
• 1:01:49
  He put in a lot of work. Yep.
• 1:01:51
  So yeah, we have to ultimately have accountability.
• 1:01:54
  We learn the tools. You can lead a horse to water,
• 1:01:57
  but you can't make him drink, right.
• 1:01:58
  And people want these quick fix solutions.
• 1:02:00
  And I'm sure you get the types of clients are like, oh, I just
• 1:02:03
  want to sign up for this and be worth $100 million because so
• 1:02:06
  and so did it or whatever. But we ultimately have to be the
• 1:02:09
  one that upgrades ourselves and to do the things that we have to
• 1:02:14
  do to actually implement the training that we learn and be
• 1:02:17
  committed to it and dedicated to it.
• 1:02:20
  Ultimately, that's not in your hands.
• 1:02:21
  You just give them the tools and the resources.
• 1:02:23
  It is, you know, not being biased or anything.
• 1:02:27
  It is better tools, right? Better tools will make a big
• 1:02:29
  difference. Like if you drove a broken Honda
• 1:02:32
  versus if you got a brand new Porsche.
• 1:02:35
  It's a very different tool, but you still got to get in and
• 1:02:37
  drive it. The driving experience might be
• 1:02:40
  very different as well, which it they are.
• 1:02:44
  That being said, if one just lets it sit in the garage, not
• 1:02:47
  going to do them any good. Exactly.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah. And so I know that I've said
• 1:02:51
  this before because it is a big part of my journey that I've
• 1:02:54
  been on where, you know, I was miserable and kind of suffering
• 1:02:58
  throughout my childhood internally mostly, and then
• 1:03:02
  thought that money would bring me happiness and just kind of
• 1:03:04
  kept my nose to the grindstone until I could become a
• 1:03:07
  millionaire because that was my seven-year old dream.
• 1:03:09
  And then I become a millionaire at 25 years old, and I'm still
• 1:03:13
  depressed and I'm still anxious and I still have nightmares
• 1:03:15
  every night, and I still don't want to wake up in the morning.
• 1:03:18
  And it was just this, you know, you hit this goal and then it's
• 1:03:22
  just followed by this emptiness. And OK, well, now what's next?
• 1:03:26
  Now I have more responsibility. Now I have more pressure.
• 1:03:28
  And I have to create this bigger goal.
• 1:03:29
  Like, OK, now it's 10 million, and then it's going to be 100
• 1:03:32
  million, and then it's going to be a billion.
• 1:03:33
  And then it's like, go, go, go, go, go.
• 1:03:35
  But then I realize, you know, the pattern of, OK, I want to
• 1:03:38
  create things in my life, but ultimately I want to just, I
• 1:03:40
  just want to be happy. Like I want to have peace.
• 1:03:42
  I want to have impact. I want to have purpose.
• 1:03:44
  I want to have love. Like I just want that and not to
• 1:03:49
  have to sacrifice that to create.
• 1:03:51
  But I couldn't find it whether I was accomplishing things or I
• 1:03:54
  wasn't accomplishing things. Like the most peace I had was in
• 1:03:56
  the pursuit of accomplishing something, right?
• 1:03:58
  But it was immediately followed by more lack of peace.
• 1:04:03
  And so so if you've said this too, so if you rely, if you have
• 1:04:09
  to rely on willpower, pure willpower and discipline to
• 1:04:12
  succeed, your mental programming is failing you.
• 1:04:16
  So why is everything that we've been taught about hustle culture
• 1:04:20
  and grinding completely backwards?
• 1:04:22
  Because that is the culture that you were raised in and that is
• 1:04:24
  the culture of what we are is like think of Alex Harmozzi,
• 1:04:27
  right? Is and I love him, but it's just
• 1:04:29
  suffer grind like have a dream where suffer for.
• 1:04:32
  But Tony Robbins on the flip side, is what I'm aligned with
• 1:04:35
  now, which is why would you suffer?
• 1:04:37
  Like it's not about suffering, it's about not suffering.
• 1:04:40
  And he hates suffering and his his mission is to end human
• 1:04:43
  suffering. And so what's your perspective
• 1:04:45
  on that? Oh, I mean if you were the
• 1:04:47
  emperors, you would want your subject to hustle and grind for
• 1:04:51
  you, wouldn't you? Right.
• 1:04:54
  So I think that's the answer, yeah.
• 1:04:56
  The majority of the human race are not the emperors, not the
• 1:05:00
  kings and Queens, not the ones who are running the world right.
• 1:05:06
  And I'm not pinpointing or having conspiracy theory here.
• 1:05:09
  Like if I were as an emperor and I don't have robots and AI doing
• 1:05:13
  stuff for me, I need subjects not to be not to be, you know,
• 1:05:19
  like politically correct at all. This is this is a modern living
• 1:05:24
  is not that different than the previous eras.
• 1:05:29
  It's just dressed up differently, right.
• 1:05:32
  So the hustle and grind culture. It's just that we need people to
• 1:05:35
  continue to produce, for the GDP to stay, for the productions of
• 1:05:40
  society, for society to have profit.
• 1:05:43
  But why do you think it's backwards?
• 1:05:45
  Because why would I tell my subjects to chill and enjoy life
• 1:05:50
  and be happy? They might just not work and
• 1:05:52
  then what am I going to live off of if I was the one collecting?
• 1:05:57
  But for your students who are entrepreneurs, high achievers,
• 1:06:01
  investors, you know the the one percenters is who comes to you
• 1:06:06
  to work with you. A lot of them have gotten there
• 1:06:09
  through hustle and grind, right? But they get to a point where
• 1:06:12
  they're like, OK, I got to where I wanted to go.
• 1:06:16
  Or at least I've gotten to some level that I wanted to go.
• 1:06:18
  And now I just want to go more. And now it's just going to be
• 1:06:20
  more hustle and more grind. So do you believe that you can
• 1:06:23
  get create whatever you say? I want to be a billionaire and I
• 1:06:27
  want to have a foundation to help 8 million people, like help
• 1:06:30
  the whole world, right? Can you get there without the
• 1:06:36
  dogma of just hustle and grind and suffer your way there?
• 1:06:39
  Think about what hustle and grind and and suffering really
• 1:06:42
  is. It's when you do something that
• 1:06:44
  you don't know will work or not work, right, you're doing it
• 1:06:49
  because if you know what would work to get you to a
• 1:06:51
  billionaire, to be a billionaire, you wouldn't do the
• 1:06:55
  by guessing, right? You would just do the things
• 1:06:57
  that get you to be a billionaire.
• 1:06:58
  You'd be like, I'm certain I'll do that and it'll be efficient,
• 1:07:01
  easy and effortless. Even if it's hard, You're like,
• 1:07:03
  I know I'm going to be a billionaire.
• 1:07:04
  Worth it, right? No big.
• 1:07:07
  But if you're not sure if you will get there, you have to
• 1:07:10
  compensate it with more effort, more hustle, more grind, right?
• 1:07:15
  But there is actually a solution.
• 1:07:17
  Imagine if we can go around and codified the most powerful
• 1:07:23
  mindsets that not only acquire wealth on the acquisition side,
• 1:07:28
  but on the preservation of wealth.
• 1:07:32
  And if you can somehow strip down all of the nonsense, all of
• 1:07:35
  the things are unnecessary and boil it down.
• 1:07:38
  Boil it down to pure programs that you can actually copy and
• 1:07:42
  paste. You would want to install that
• 1:07:45
  because that will save you a lot of suffering.
• 1:07:48
  That's exactly what upgrade is. Because the motivation behind
• 1:07:51
  this was my grandfather on both sides of my family, yeah, I
• 1:07:56
  mean, multiple grandfathers, they have experienced the very
• 1:08:01
  problem of losing tremendous amount of wealth.
• 1:08:04
  So I would have been like 5th, 6th, maybe 7th generation, like
• 1:08:08
  really well off. But no, I had nothing growing up
• 1:08:14
  because during World War 1/2 and the aftermath, wealth was taken
• 1:08:20
  and so and you know, because of whatever reason they were taken.
• 1:08:26
  And I always ask the question of how do I build something,
• 1:08:29
  acquire wealth and preserve it in a way that absolutely is just
• 1:08:36
  protected and it actually sustains itself.
• 1:08:40
  So I've been on a mission, I would say on the, on the not so
• 1:08:45
  obvious side of upgrade in the first several years.
• 1:08:49
  But then now it's like very open, I'm open with people that
• 1:08:53
  this is my mission to be able to help those who are actually
• 1:08:57
  succeeding to become, you know, per metaphor, the ruling class,
• 1:09:02
  the the ones who are running the businesses, running the banks,
• 1:09:06
  running the investment firms, those who are rising there or
• 1:09:09
  those who already are because those people deserve help too.
• 1:09:14
  And if they suffer, not just their family, but millions of
• 1:09:18
  lives can suffer. Not many people have the skills
• 1:09:22
  or the precision to actually help those people.
• 1:09:25
  So I dedicated my team and our effort to actually do that, that
• 1:09:30
  thing that I talked about that copy and paste program and
• 1:09:33
  aggregate what actually works in acquisition and in preservation
• 1:09:38
  so that they don't just have the skills and tools and strategies,
• 1:09:42
  but they're because that's on their own, right?
• 1:09:44
  Many of them have the best financial strategies they can
• 1:09:46
  think of or the world has ever seen.
• 1:09:48
  I'm not that guy. I'm not giving them financial
• 1:09:50
  advice, of course. I'm giving them mental
• 1:09:53
  performance advice so that they don't have that bug showing up
• 1:09:57
  and getting depressed in the middle of a deal or their wife
• 1:10:01
  wants to divorce them in the middle of the largest merger and
• 1:10:05
  and the largest acquisition deal ever and they're now having a
• 1:10:09
  mental breakdown and won't show up.
• 1:10:11
  Like all those things happen behind closed doors.
• 1:10:14
  We're here not only to prevent it, but to take someone into
• 1:10:18
  what you've been saying this whole time.
• 1:10:20
  Can one be truly happy regardless of what happens
• 1:10:24
  outside? Because these people, certainly
• 1:10:27
  either they're getting there or already there.
• 1:10:28
  They are in positions of privilege and and wonderful
• 1:10:32
  resources. So many of them are just as
• 1:10:35
  depressed, just as anxious, just as feeling awful and insecure
• 1:10:41
  and all. I mean, I've talked to many of
• 1:10:42
  these people, wonderful people actually.
• 1:10:45
  I mean, they're just people, right?
• 1:10:46
  Just like everyone else, but they're in different positions
• 1:10:49
  and their suffering are often unnoticed.
• 1:10:52
  And so being able to solve that and because guess what?
• 1:10:55
  Happiness is a state. So it doesn't matter where you
• 1:10:58
  are, if you can somehow install the state, you can have
• 1:11:02
  happiness. For example, this is an easy way
• 1:11:06
  to understand happiness. Imagine like I'm, I'm sure
• 1:11:10
  you've purchased hardware before from IKEA, right?
• 1:11:15
  Maybe yes, I don't wish that upon a lot of people, right?
• 1:11:19
  Like it's a lot of work sometimes.
• 1:11:20
  That was the last time. And they have different size
• 1:11:24
  screws and if you put the wrong size in it doesn't fit right.
• 1:11:27
  Happiness is kind of like a specific size screw.
• 1:11:31
  You can say, well, I want happiness, but let me see if I
• 1:11:33
  can go build a company or do XY and C and if I will get
• 1:11:38
  happiness. No, like you, you need that
• 1:11:39
  screw. It doesn't matter if you go
• 1:11:41
  build ten $100 billion companies, you're not happier
• 1:11:45
  because that screws still missing.
• 1:11:47
  You can go take yourself to all the steak dinner you want.
• 1:11:49
  You can like do anything you want that screws still missing.
• 1:11:53
  So we're there to help you find that screw and install it.
• 1:11:57
  So if the screws there, it doesn't matter if you built
• 1:11:59
  those $100 billion company, it doesn't matter if you have your
• 1:12:03
  own foundation, which that's sounds awesome.
• 1:12:06
  It doesn't matter what you do outside that internal state
• 1:12:09
  requires a specific formula to install.
• 1:12:13
  It does. And I know exactly what that
• 1:12:15
  means because I I had that missing screw too, and I still,
• 1:12:19
  I was, you know, my whole mission is to realize my highest
• 1:12:22
  potential and help as many people as I can do the same.
• 1:12:25
  And I know you're you have a grant.
• 1:12:27
  Yeah. Your mission is to upgrade
• 1:12:28
  humanity. Yeah, on like the whole
• 1:12:32
  humanity, right. That's.
• 1:12:32
  Can I get into that a little bit?
• 1:12:34
  Yeah. Is that OK?
• 1:12:36
  Let's do it. But I want you to finish the the
• 1:12:38
  question. Yeah, I want to talk about your
• 1:12:41
  your mission fully. But I, when I realized that I
• 1:12:44
  hit some level, whatever goals I had set out for myself and I
• 1:12:47
  still was unhappy, that's when I realized money in itself isn't
• 1:12:51
  going to fix that screw, right? Money can help you have the
• 1:12:55
  time, freedom and the resources and access to coaching and
• 1:12:59
  access to being in the right networks and groups and have the
• 1:13:01
  right training or do your, the things that you love and have an
• 1:13:04
  impact. So money, I feel is of 100%
• 1:13:06
  required to be able to realize your potential, but it's not the
• 1:13:09
  100% answer to that, right? You have to go out and improve
• 1:13:13
  yourself and upgrade your own consciousness and continue to
• 1:13:16
  elevate and rise. And so it's, it's so true for
• 1:13:20
  people to understand that. But yeah.
• 1:13:22
  And I, you know you when we went to dinner long time ago now, but
• 1:13:27
  you had said something to me that I say in so many podcasts
• 1:13:29
  and I use it all the time and I always drop your name with it
• 1:13:32
  because it made such a big impact on me.
• 1:13:34
  And you said, what is your thousand year goal?
• 1:13:39
  And I love that so much because most people don't even know what
• 1:13:44
  their, you know, 90 day goal is, right?
• 1:13:46
  Or they're, they don't even know what their tomorrow looks like.
• 1:13:48
  And some entrepreneurs like, Oh, I got my, my 12 month plan or my
• 1:13:51
  three-year picture, you know, maybe a 10 year vision.
• 1:13:56
  But your thousand year goal just is so incredible to me because
• 1:14:00
  it completely allows you to zoom out, like you said, and actually
• 1:14:04
  see the forest through the trees and realize, like, what am I
• 1:14:08
  living for? What am I creating that's bigger
• 1:14:10
  than myself? And then you had mentioned
• 1:14:13
  Jesus, like he's been gone for thousands of years, yet he is
• 1:14:17
  still leaving an impact in this world in millions, hundreds of
• 1:14:22
  millions or billions of lives, right?
• 1:14:24
  And so I just love that so much. And it shifted my perspective
• 1:14:27
  because now I think like, what is my thousand year goal?
• 1:14:30
  How am I going to elevate humanity?
• 1:14:32
  How am I going to leave this world better than I found it?
• 1:14:36
  And it removes the little like it removes the ego a little bit
• 1:14:39
  of like, oh, I want to, you know, go buy this house or have
• 1:14:43
  a a jet or any of these things or even on earth.
• 1:14:46
  Like I want to have a foundation that helps kids do this and like
• 1:14:49
  this, you know, 1000 kids or something like that.
• 1:14:51
  It's like, how can we create something far beyond our own
• 1:14:54
  life for 1000 years out? So I would love to hear more
• 1:14:58
  about like your mission and 1000 year goal too that you have.
• 1:15:02
  This may sound surprisingly geeky the answer because if you
• 1:15:08
  were to ask me behind closed doors, which I'm going to tell
• 1:15:13
  you the closed door answer in the past, I would tell only in
• 1:15:17
  closed doors. But I, I think I'm, I'm, I want
• 1:15:21
  to share this. It's it's, it's the real reason
• 1:15:25
  behind why I want to upgrade humanity because people will
• 1:15:28
  say, oh, why do you do upgrade? I'll say I'll upgrade humanity.
• 1:15:31
  But so grand. It's almost like, what does that
• 1:15:33
  mean? And a lot of people be like,
• 1:15:34
  that's a noble mission, But, and it's a huge, but there are two
• 1:15:38
  main reasons. One one of them sounds
• 1:15:43
  ridiculous, but maybe not so much anymore.
• 1:15:45
  The other one sounds actually very logical.
• 1:15:48
  So I'll tell you the logical one first.
• 1:15:50
  There was a concept I picked up a while back, Carl Young, he
• 1:15:55
  said there are no one, there's no one outside.
• 1:15:58
  And I was like, what does that mean?
• 1:16:00
  There's no one outside? And then I began to dive into
• 1:16:05
  some of the, the understanding of the unconscious and how we're
• 1:16:10
  all actually connected in so many ways beyond just what we
• 1:16:14
  have been taught. Then I, I start to see that in,
• 1:16:18
  in the holographic universe model where we are believed to
• 1:16:23
  be holograms of the same source. I was like, whoa, that's
• 1:16:28
  interesting. When they used to say, and they
• 1:16:30
  still do right in the Bible, they say we're created in God's
• 1:16:34
  image. But what image?
• 1:16:35
  2D3D holographic, right? Because a hologram contains the
• 1:16:42
  entire image, the entire source in the hologram.
• 1:16:49
  So that gives you a different perspective than oh, I just made
• 1:16:52
  to look like, you know, like what if it's it's something
• 1:16:57
  else, right? Containing the source code of
• 1:17:02
  the divine. Now I began to dive deeper and I
• 1:17:05
  want to go all the way into the rabbit hole.
• 1:17:08
  And I thought, what if we are? I mean, sure, in our current
• 1:17:15
  classical understanding of physics, we're like time is
• 1:17:18
  linear. Were, you know, one year ago I
• 1:17:22
  was doing this. A year from now I'll be doing
• 1:17:24
  this, here I am, I'm doing this. Yesterday I did this.
• 1:17:27
  We think very linearly. That's how we've been taught,
• 1:17:30
  But in a different dimension in physics, time doesn't function
• 1:17:34
  the way we understand consciously that they just work
• 1:17:40
  very differently depending on the dimension.
• 1:17:42
  Not to get too geeky about it, I came to understand that what if
• 1:17:47
  we are literally a different version of the same person, The
• 1:17:53
  same exact person, and literally some of the ancients would say
• 1:18:02
  reincarnated billions and billions of times later.
• 1:18:07
  But because time is not linear, 1 can be here and the next life
• 1:18:11
  could be here, the next life could be there.
• 1:18:16
  So every person we walk past on the street, the person that
• 1:18:19
  flipped us off on the freeway, the person that served us at
• 1:18:23
  dinner, all these people are the same person but a different
• 1:18:27
  lifetime. Now that's a really wild thing
• 1:18:30
  to say or to consider, even though I said it's logical, but
• 1:18:33
  it is logically possible to consider that.
• 1:18:37
  So I thought, well, if I could upgrade humanity, I'm upgrading
• 1:18:40
  all the different versions of me, leaving no stone and turn
• 1:18:43
  right everything about humanity to me.
• 1:18:48
  There's no there's no other people anymore.
• 1:18:52
  It's all me. So I'm just upgrading myself.
• 1:18:54
  Right. The second answer is a little
• 1:18:56
  bit more, probably even more geeky.
• 1:18:59
  I thought that one was pretty geeky.
• 1:19:01
  I'm excited for this. One, OK, the second one is what
• 1:19:06
  if, and then I had this conversation with David
• 1:19:09
  Morehouse, the gentleman who came out of the Stargate
• 1:19:11
  program. I said, what if I could achieve
• 1:19:14
  this goal of achieving, of upgrading humanity, right?
• 1:19:18
  I, I told him, I, I theorize that aliens would come and want
• 1:19:23
  to do business with us, at least the really good ones, right?
• 1:19:27
  Because at our current state, let's say we were aliens and
• 1:19:30
  we're flying past Earth, we'd be like, that place is really
• 1:19:34
  ghetto. People are fighting for no
• 1:19:37
  reason. It's awful, dangerous.
• 1:19:39
  We don't go down there, right? Like we leave that Earth alone,
• 1:19:43
  right? This is like no go zone.
• 1:19:47
  And I would even say, why are these people still fighting
• 1:19:50
  right after? And like many years later, we'll
• 1:19:52
  fly by again. We'll be like, why are these
• 1:19:54
  people still fighting? Not going down there.
• 1:19:56
  So I thought if light attracts light and we become truly able
• 1:20:01
  to get along and create abundance without conflict,
• 1:20:05
  which sounds like a far cry from reality, right?
• 1:20:09
  If somehow we're able to do that in a way that doesn't 'cause
• 1:20:12
  people to have win, lose, but actually could be win and win or
• 1:20:15
  win more, win or win more than maybe there would be more aliens
• 1:20:20
  that would exchange knowledge and technology.
• 1:20:24
  Now if I can acquire that knowledge and that technology.
• 1:20:27
  And become one of the persons, one of the people that drove
• 1:20:31
  that into humanity or one of the key reasons.
• 1:20:36
  Then I may have more access to more knowledge and more
• 1:20:39
  technology. And so out of curiosity, I'm
• 1:20:41
  like, what would that be? It's like, I really need to know
• 1:20:44
  what that would be like. But if I don't create the
• 1:20:47
  condition somehow, in my mind, I theorized they wouldn't show up
• 1:20:52
  as openly. Well, then I told David
• 1:20:53
  Morehouse this and he's like, if you are to achieve that goal,
• 1:20:58
  even just a small percentage of humanity, which is like maybe
• 1:21:03
  one percent, 2%, which is critical mass already, we would
• 1:21:07
  be publicly intergalactic. I was like, what did you just
• 1:21:10
  say? Publicly intergalactic.
• 1:21:14
  I was like, what? That implies so many things,
• 1:21:16
  right? He's presupposing so many
• 1:21:18
  things. Now, if he was some random guy
• 1:21:20
  that I met off the street, you know, I don't know, like doing
• 1:21:25
  drugs on the street under the bridge, I might see that answer
• 1:21:29
  a little differently. But that answer came out of a
• 1:21:32
  guy who knew too much, according to some people.
• 1:21:37
  One of the most wonderful humans I've ever met, someone who's
• 1:21:40
  also one of the most intelligent person people who has actually
• 1:21:45
  had access, and also he's an expert remote viewer.
• 1:21:49
  I'm like, if he's telling me this then I'm on to something.
• 1:21:54
  Not to mention imagine if you could develop that download
• 1:22:00
  ability, you would have greater levels of intuitive certainty.
• 1:22:06
  So anyway, that was the cause of why I want to upgrade humanity.
• 1:22:10
  One reason is selfishly I see everyone else's myself.
• 1:22:14
  So I need to upgrade myself if I don't like what I'm seeing.
• 1:22:17
  Secondly, I'm so curious what aliens are like and what would
• 1:22:22
  happen if we upgrade humanity. Would we attract a certain type
• 1:22:26
  of alien to to share knowledge? And then I mean I haven't even
• 1:22:30
  told you phase two. Phase two would be then take
• 1:22:33
  what they know that they share with us, aggregate that package,
• 1:22:38
  it distributed through the universe, which sounds even more
• 1:22:42
  out there, but we don't need to go there.
• 1:22:44
  No, it's so crazy and it's so cool and that's goes back to
• 1:22:47
  like anything is possible, right?
• 1:22:49
  I interviewed a really good friend of mine and he believes,
• 1:22:52
  and I think this kind of comes from Joe Dispenza principles,
• 1:22:55
  but that there's infinite realities of our self living in
• 1:23:01
  the same instance of time. So like we there's multi layer
• 1:23:06
  dimensions of the universe or realms or I don't I'm going to
• 1:23:10
  mess up the butcher this whole thing.
• 1:23:12
  But like basically, there's multiple dimensions that we are
• 1:23:14
  living in at the exact same time and every decision we make, it's
• 1:23:20
  we switch with the other reality, right.
• 1:23:22
  So like in another dimension, there's a homeless Hannah under
• 1:23:26
  a bridge shooting up heroin, and then in another dimension
• 1:23:29
  there's like a President Hannah. Right.
• 1:23:32
  And so. Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  And so, and, and then the decisions you're making is he's
• 1:23:37
  like, you just switch dimensions with the other person from the
• 1:23:41
  other decision that was made in the other infinite dimension
• 1:23:44
  that you're in. So I don't know all these
• 1:23:45
  different ideas and perspectives, but I mean, Elon
• 1:23:48
  Musk says he's an alien and I think he's the closest thing on
• 1:23:51
  our to it. But I'm very excited to see the
• 1:23:53
  alien files that are supposed to get released.
• 1:23:56
  What do you think is going to that they're going to show in
• 1:23:58
  those? I have no idea.
• 1:24:00
  I have not even attempted thinking about it too much.
• 1:24:03
  I would say maybe we're all aliens, who knows right?
• 1:24:07
  Like maybe we were seated here and and I I could only guess.
• 1:24:11
  That being said though, you brought up something really
• 1:24:16
  interesting. You set your decision, select
• 1:24:20
  your reality. And that is actually so true
• 1:24:25
  because that's why the last step in upgrade is a full decision.
• 1:24:30
  Most people make a 90% decision, or if they even do that right,
• 1:24:34
  most people make 1/2 assed decision.
• 1:24:36
  But if they can even get to 90%, they're not a it's not a full
• 1:24:40
  decision. So that last 10% shows up in the
• 1:24:43
  physical. In resistance, things don't go
• 1:24:47
  well. Things go slow, they get
• 1:24:49
  delayed. Problems show up because they
• 1:24:51
  make a 90% decision, not 100%. When someone is actually capable
• 1:24:56
  of making 100% decision, they are selecting the reality where
• 1:25:00
  there's less and less and less to possibly no resistance.
• 1:25:04
  I love that there's a line that says when you fully commit
• 1:25:09
  yourself, the universe conspires to assist you.
• 1:25:12
  Yes, yeah. And it's not just philosophical.
• 1:25:15
  That's why there's an engineer process of actually designing
• 1:25:18
  what you want, removing the gap, and then helping us get present
• 1:25:23
  and associate into the current reality so we can deploy all of
• 1:25:28
  our skills. Then making that full decision
• 1:25:32
  removes a lot of problems. Do you think what you teach can
• 1:25:38
  be used to cause harm, like to manipulate or the you know
• 1:25:45
  instead of empower? Or has it?
• 1:25:48
  Is it really like all positivity?
• 1:25:52
  I think harm and bad or evil is a very interesting concept
• 1:25:57
  because if you zoom out far enough, they don't exist as what
• 1:26:03
  we think they are. Let me explain.
• 1:26:06
  Let's say someone sells a drug that's awful for people, but
• 1:26:12
  somehow it solves a problem and it's become widely distributed.
• 1:26:17
  They harms a lot of life. The same time, let's say this
• 1:26:20
  person, this team is needing that project to work to pay the
• 1:26:25
  mortgage, and they're OK with that.
• 1:26:31
  Somehow in their morals, they're OK with it.
• 1:26:33
  Maybe pressure from shareholders, maybe pressure
• 1:26:35
  from CEO, Who knows, right? There's a number of factors.
• 1:26:38
  Maybe they are convinced that it's actually not that bad.
• 1:26:42
  But if you zoom out, like if you zoom in, they may be doing
• 1:26:45
  something really bad, using science, using this, the years
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  of investment into earning their PhD, they're doing something
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  terrible for people. But if you zoom way out, right,
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  it's actually really interesting to consider the lives that they
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  impacted negatively may end up marrying their kids.
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  They'll have to suffer the consequences of that, right?
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  So are they doing evil to the world for their own gain now?
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  They're going to have to suffer for the things they created.
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  Meanwhile, the same thing goes for good deeds, whatever good
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  deeds mean, right? So I think that if people see
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  that the skills that we teach them are like an aggregate of
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  living thousands of lives, but thousands of the most powerful
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  lives and being able to give them this, this ability to
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  secede with minimal drag, they would be able to zoom out
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  because that's one of the first steps, right?
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  Zoom out and see what you really want, want to accomplish in 1000
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  years. They would have less desire to
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  create win, lose because they'll see the consequences of their
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  short term win and how it will impact their generations to
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  come. Like, why would anyone want to
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  do that? So that their grandchildren,
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  their own children, their own spouse suffer, know.
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  So if they zoom out far enough, that mitigates that problem
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  quite dramatically. Yeah, I love.
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  That's a great point. And it's like every action has
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  an equal and opposite reaction, right?
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  And so every everything good can be used for bad and everything
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  bad can be used for good. And it all just kind of works.
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  It finds its equilibrium in the world and comes back to you.
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  Like you said, if you put negative tip like if you do harm
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  in the world, it's going to come back to you in some way.
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  And think of it like this too. Like what's the purpose of doing
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  harm? Right.
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  And, and someone might say, well, there's a certain state
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  that they get or certain gain, but what if you could get both
• 1:28:37
  the state and the gain from something else easier?
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  They would pick the easier way. It's because they're thinking
• 1:28:43
  doing harm is the fastest, easiest, least effort way to get
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  what they want. That's, that's in general, not
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  all of them, right? But in general, that's how the
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  human mental model works, the path of least resistance.
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  So if we present a new path that they haven't considered that
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  actually allows them to achieve what they want, but greater to a
• 1:29:03
  greater degree have more positive outcome for them and
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  their family, but also for the rest of us, I think they would
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  likely choose that, yeah. I know I don't understand why
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  people don't have a win or win more attitude instead of a win
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  or lose. You know you when I lose.
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  But hopefully, as we continue down a world of more abundance,
• 1:29:25
  that will become more ingrained in our subconscious, whereas
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  historically in human existence, it hasn't been abundant and it
• 1:29:33
  has been a win or lose. And we have to fight for
• 1:29:35
  resources and fight for everything.
• 1:29:37
  And so hopefully, as now with AI and Elon Musk saying we'll be in
• 1:29:40
  this world of ultra high universal high income and that
• 1:29:45
  robots will be able to do everything and there's massive
• 1:29:47
  abundance and we can really just do the things that we're
• 1:29:49
  passionate about doing, then overtime, our evolution will
• 1:29:53
  change to actually have this win win reality where nobody has to
• 1:29:58
  lose and we don't have to fight and all of this.
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  So we're heading there. Yeah, we're heading there.
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  I'm excited. And hopefully we'll be able to
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  live long enough to see it. Yeah, I think we will.
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  Yeah, but all right, cool. We got to wrap up here.
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  I always like to end with school.
• 1:30:10
  Hard Knocks, rapid fire. So how old were you when you
• 1:30:13
  became a millionaire? 2829.
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  What line of business are you in?
• 1:30:19
  At that time, upgrade. Yeah, right now, yeah.
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  Mental training and consulting. What is the number one piece of
• 1:30:27
  advice you've ever heard or received?
• 1:30:29
  Truly accept yourself and truly allow yourself to have what you
• 1:30:37
  want and everything will be easy.
• 1:30:40
  Who is your hero and why? This is a pretty ridiculous
• 1:30:45
  answer. So I don't watch anime even
• 1:30:48
  though I'm Asian, but I got I have a good friend.
• 1:30:54
  He was like, hey, you need to watch this show.
• 1:30:57
  And I was like, this show looks ridiculous.
• 1:30:58
  I'm not going to do it. Anyway, I somehow caved and I
• 1:31:02
  watched it and it was hilarious as a comedy.
• 1:31:04
  It's called One Punch Man and One Punch Man is this guy who
• 1:31:08
  skipped the hero's journey completely.
• 1:31:11
  Like, you know, classical entertainment or books you read
• 1:31:15
  about someone's hero's journey or you watch them rise to the
• 1:31:19
  top right, Then you're like hero's journey is beautiful.
• 1:31:22
  This guy didn't he's just was insanely powerful from the
• 1:31:27
  beginning to the end and everything was finished with one
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  punch basically. And there's a comedic side to
• 1:31:34
  it. But to me, why he's a hero to me
• 1:31:38
  is that he's the most anti hero hero ever because he didn't let
• 1:31:43
  society dictate or even even what he was, what he was taught
• 1:31:49
  about himself dictate how fast he could progress, how fast he
• 1:31:53
  could reach his potential. He was just like, no, I, I can
• 1:31:57
  have it now. I am.
• 1:31:58
  I can be the best I can like that.
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  That's basically the gist of it. So to me, it's a comedic hero
• 1:32:05
  that somehow won the won the answer.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah, skip the suffering. Skip the suffering.
• 1:32:10
  Yeah. How much pleasure can you
• 1:32:11
  endure? I like that.
• 1:32:13
  I'm going to start the affirmation that how much
• 1:32:16
  pleasure can you endure? Yeah.
• 1:32:18
  What's the number one book you think everyone should read?
• 1:32:22
  There's a book that is cryptic, but if you are interested in
• 1:32:27
  understanding hypnotism, which really is how do you talk to
• 1:32:31
  your unconscious? This is a great book.
• 1:32:33
  It's called my Voice. We'll go with you.
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  I think Sidney Rosen documented the stories by a guy named
• 1:32:41
  Milton Erickson, who was actually, well, he was a doctor
• 1:32:45
  here in Phoenix for a long time, but he was also known as the,
• 1:32:49
  the, the modern father of conversational hypnotism.
• 1:32:54
  And it's insane, that book, you read the stories and you will
• 1:32:57
  realize how powerful hypnotism can be in a conversation.
• 1:33:02
  That book is a game changer. I got to read that one.
• 1:33:04
  I haven't read it. Yeah, you will start to talk
• 1:33:07
  like a hypnotist. As you talk.
• 1:33:10
  Perhaps, yeah. Yeah, perfect.
• 1:33:12
  I can't wait. If you could send one text to
• 1:33:16
  your younger self, what would it say?
• 1:33:19
  Relax. Relax.
• 1:33:20
  Well, thank you, William. You're amazing and I'm excited.
• 1:33:24
  Hopefully we can do that session.
• 1:33:25
  Let's do it because I'm so excited for that.
• 1:33:28
  Let's plan on it. Perfect.
• 1:33:30
  Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having me.