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Dragnet - "Big Juvenile Division" (Old Time Radio, 1952) · Dragnet | Old Time Radio

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  Speaker 1: Reports of a possible clash between teenage gangs bring Detective
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  Speaker 1: Sergeant Joe Friday and Sergeant Ed Jacobs from Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: Homicide Special Detail to the Hollenbeck Juvenile Division. On January 17, 1952,
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  Speaker 1: NBC aired Dragnet, Episode 136, Big Juvenile Division, with Jack
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  Speaker 1: Webb as Friday and Barney Phillips as Jacobs. As juvenile
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  Speaker 1: officers question young people and their parents, Friday and Jacobs
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  Speaker 1: work to learn what is driving the dispute and prevent
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  Speaker 1: violence before it begins. James Moser wrote this dramatization from
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  Speaker 1: police files made with Los Angeles Police Department technical advice. Now,
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  Speaker 1: back to the golden age of radio.
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  Speaker 2: ¶ ¶.
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  Speaker 3: names have been changed to protect the innocent.
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  Speaker 3: an impending war between juvenile gangs in your city. Reportedly,
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  Speaker 3: members of both gangs are well supplied with homemade weapons.
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  Speaker 5: It was Tuesday, October 14th. It was cloudy in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 5: We were working a special detail out of Homicide Division.
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  Speaker 5: My partner's Ed Jacobs. The boss is Captain Warman.
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  Speaker 6: My name's Friday.
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  Speaker 5: It was 1.18 p.m. when I got to 2015 East
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  Speaker 5: 1st Street, the second floor.
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  Speaker 6: Hollenbeck Juvenile Division.
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  Speaker 7: Joe?
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  Speaker 6: Hi. What'd you find out?
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  Speaker 4: Nothing yet.
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  Speaker 8: Gardner had to go next door. He'll be back in
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  Speaker 8: a minute. Give us a rundown on the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Friday, Ed.
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  Speaker 8: Hi, Gardner.
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  Speaker 6: Hi, how you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you. How are things going downtown?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, not bad. A little slow. Here, you got problems?
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  Speaker 2: Lots of them. Captain brief you on any of it?
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  Speaker 6: No, he told us to check with you. You'd fill
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  Speaker 6: us in. Said maybe you could use some help.
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  Speaker 2: All we can get. We're sitting on top of a
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  Speaker 2: bomb out here. We don't know when it's going to
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  Speaker 2: go off. What's the pitch, Gardner? Juvenile gangs, five of
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  Speaker 2: them this time. The way we get it, they're ready
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  Speaker 2: for trouble, all of them.
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  Speaker 8: High school kids?
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  Speaker 3: Most of them.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them are in junior high.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how come five gangs? What are they planning, a free-for-all?
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  Speaker 2: It's a long story. They've been building up to this
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  Speaker 2: thing for months, all East Side kids. We hear it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be an open war.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a list of the different gangs involved.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: You can see there, same crowds we've been riding herd
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  Speaker 2: on for the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 6: We've got the Purple Heart Gang, the Blue Devils, the Apaches,
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  Speaker 6: Happy Valley, Rose Hill.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the breakdown on each one of them. Hard to
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  Speaker 2: get exact figures, but we think it's fairly accurate.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Purple Heart Gang, 26 members. Leader, Harold Fry, age 17.
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  Speaker 2: Blue Devils, 18 members. Leaders, Jack Holland, age 17, and
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  Speaker 2: Bertram Willis, 16. The Apaches, 22 members. Leader, Robert Lawson, 17.
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  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be the strongest bunch.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Valley gang, 20 members. Leaders Roy Martin, 16, and
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Gomez, 16. Rose Hill gang, 16 members. Leader Thomas Resnick, 18.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, what's behind it, Gardner? I mean the gang war
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  Speaker 6: that they're supposed to be playing.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of factors enter into it, I guess. It's
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  Speaker 2: my own idea. The Apache gang's doing most of the promoting.
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  Speaker 8: What's the object, anyway?
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  Speaker 2: The usual big shot idea some high school kids get.
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  Speaker 2: The Apaches figure they're going to run the whole east side.
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  Speaker 2: They've already scared the Happy Valley gang and the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Devils into joining up with them.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how'd they manage that?
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to find out myself.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how about the other two crowds there, Rose Hill
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  Speaker 6: and the Purple Heart Bunch?
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  Speaker 2: The story I get is they won't come in with
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  Speaker 2: the Apaches. That's supposed to be the reason for the war.
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  Speaker 2: Either they join up with the Apaches or they fight them.
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  Speaker 2: That's the warning they got.
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  Speaker 8: Pretty playing it big time, huh?
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  Speaker 2: All the way. 16, 17-year-olds. They got gang lieutenants. They
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  Speaker 2: got their own cars, their own hideouts. Some of them
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  Speaker 2: even have their girlfriends running with them. Same age. None
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  Speaker 2: of them over 17.
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  Speaker 6: Where'd you get your information, Bill?
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  Speaker 2: Half a dozen kids. Most of them from the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Devils and the Happy Valley Gang. They were mixed up
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  Speaker 2: in a couple of after-school fights in Hollenbeck Park. The
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  Speaker 2: stories they gave us are enough to curl your hair.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: About the big war they're going to have. One of
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  Speaker 2: the girls we picked up gave us most of it. Fifteen-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: Says her boyfriend's one of the big shots for the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Devil.
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  Speaker 6: What'd she have to say?
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  Speaker 2: Talked about it like it was some kind of a
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  Speaker 2: game they were playing. Said the Rose Hill and the
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  Speaker 2: Purple Heart gangs were teaming up so they could stand
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  Speaker 2: up against the other three. They've been getting ready for
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  Speaker 2: the war for six weeks. They're really organized.
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  Speaker 8: I don't get it. Who's doing the organizing? Who's promoting it?
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  Speaker 2: I got an idea about that. I'll get to it
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  Speaker 2: in a minute. Take a look at these over here.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Samples of the different weapons the gangs are getting together
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  Speaker 2: for the big fight.
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  Speaker 6: Crazy kids.
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  Speaker 2: Brass knuckles. Homemade saps, all kinds.
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  Speaker 6: What's this here, Gardner?
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  Speaker 2: Have a look. Homemade stiletto. Good six-inch blade. Kids are
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  Speaker 2: supposed to have dozens of them.
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  Speaker 9: Another one here.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this. Ice pick. Anything you can think of,
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  Speaker 2: you name it, we got it.
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  Speaker 8: It's gonna be wholesale murder if we can't find a
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  Speaker 8: way to stop it.
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  Speaker 6: You been able to finger what the real trouble is, Bill?
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  Speaker 2: I got an idea, yeah. You asked about the gang
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  Speaker 2: steaming up a minute ago.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We figure we got a young Hitler.
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  Speaker 6: On our hands.
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  Speaker 2: A kid by the name of Robert Lawson. He's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be the ringleader of the Apache gang. Moved in
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  Speaker 2: about a year ago from the Middle West.
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  Speaker 8: How much you know about him?
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  Speaker 2: Wrote a letter to the city he originally came from.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing but trouble back there.
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  Speaker 6: Bad juvenile record.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked to the boy a couple of times. His parents, too,
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  Speaker 2: didn't do much good. Never had enough to file a
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  Speaker 2: petition on him and bring him to the attention of
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  Speaker 2: the juvenile court. We know he's responsible for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the trouble we got, but he always has some
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  Speaker 2: other kid do it for him. Never does it himself.
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  Speaker 6: You think he's responsible for working up the gang war ideas?
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  Speaker 2: We figure he's our biggest problem. We've tried everything to
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  Speaker 2: reach the Lawson kid and settle him down. Checked for
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  Speaker 2: the teachers at his school, the principal, vice principal. They
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  Speaker 2: can't handle him. They figure on expelling him if he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't straighten out.
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  Speaker 5: How about the other youngsters in these gangs? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: besides this Lawson boy here.
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  Speaker 2: We've got notifications out for them and their parents. They're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be in here tomorrow night at 7.30. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we can break Lawson's hold on these kids.
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  Speaker 9: Sure got me.
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  Speaker 8: What's the matter with this Lawson boy's parents? Don't they
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  Speaker 8: know what's going on? Can't they control him?
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  Speaker 2: We tried to talk to the parents. They think we're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: They're proud of the kid. He's got a high IQ.
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  Speaker 2: They think he's a natural born leader.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The mother says people just don't understand the boy.
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  Speaker 6: Or maybe you should have told them.
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  Speaker 7: Huh?
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  Speaker 6: San Quentin's full of people we don't understand.
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  Speaker 5: The following night, Wednesday, October 15th, the members and ringleaders
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  Speaker 5: of the various juvenile gangs, along with their parents.
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  Speaker 6: Showed up at Hollenbeck Juvenile Division as requested.
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  Speaker 5: In questioning each of the youngsters, we definitely confirmed the reports.
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  Speaker 6: We had of the impending gang war.
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  Speaker 5: The interviews also revealed that if and when the fighting
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  Speaker 5: did start, it would be more serious than we had
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  Speaker 5: first figured. For one thing, there were more youngsters involved.
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  Speaker 6: Than we thought.
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  Speaker 5: The gangs had been recruiting new members by the dozen
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  Speaker 5: in preparation for the street fights. For another thing, we
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  Speaker 5: found out the teenagers weren't carrying around eight-inch knives and
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  Speaker 5: brass knuckles just for show. If fighting started, they were
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  Speaker 5: ready and willing to use them. We weren't sure how
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  Speaker 5: much we could count on it, But after interviewing the
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  Speaker 5: parents and advising them how serious the situation was, they
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  Speaker 5: promised their full cooperation.
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  Speaker 6: Most of them agreed.
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  Speaker 5: They'd maintain strict check on their youngsters and keep them
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  Speaker 5: out of all neighborhood gang activities. Some of the parents
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  Speaker 5: took a resentful attitude. They insisted the gangs were harmless.
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  Speaker 5: They accused us of picking on the youngsters. A few
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  Speaker 5: of the parents didn't even show up at the meeting.
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  Speaker 5: Among these were the parents of 17-year-old Robert Lawson, the boy.
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  Speaker 6: Who seemed to be promoting most of the trouble.
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  Speaker 5: The following morning, my partner Ed Jacobs and I drove
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  Speaker 5: out to his home and we talked with his mother.
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  Speaker 6: She was friendly, but not too cooperative.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know why you say that, Sergeant. I appreciate
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  Speaker 10: you worrying about my boy, but I'm sure it's not
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  Speaker 10: as bad as you think.
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  Speaker 8: I don't mean to contradict you, Mrs. Lawson, but I'm
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  Speaker 8: afraid it is a lot worse than you think.
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  Speaker 10: It's what the other officers said, too, but you really
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  Speaker 10: don't have any proof, do you? I mean, a few
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  Speaker 10: idle rumors, you certainly can't accuse Robert on that basis.
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  Speaker 5: We're not accusing Robert of anything, ma'am. That's not the point.
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  Speaker 6: What we're trying to do is to head off the
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  Speaker 6: trouble before it starts.
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  Speaker 8: You were living in the Middle West before you came.
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  Speaker 6: To Los Angeles, is that right, ma'am?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, that's right, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 8: Wasn't your boy in some kind of trouble back there?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, but it didn't amount to anything. Could have been
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  Speaker 10: avoided so easily. They just didn't understand Robert. That was
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  Speaker 10: the whole trouble.
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  Speaker 6: Is he an only child, ma'am?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, just Robert.
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  Speaker 10: But he's not spoiled. I know it's a great temptation
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  Speaker 10: with an only child, but we didn't spoil him. Robert
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  Speaker 10: just isn't like that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 8: You allow him quite a bit of freedom, do you, ma'am?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, does he go out at night very often?
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  Speaker 10: Well, he is 17 years old, going on 18. Yes,
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  Speaker 10: my husband and I allow him to go out as
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  Speaker 10: often as he likes, as long as he keeps up.
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  Speaker 7: With his studies.
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  Speaker 10: Robert's always done very well.
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  Speaker 7: Always tops in his class.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know where he spends his time when he
• 10:34
  Speaker 6: goes out at night?
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  Speaker 10: He's usually down at the gym or at the library.
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  Speaker 6: You know that for a fact, do you?
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  Speaker 10: I trust Robert, if that's what you mean. He tells
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  Speaker 10: me that's where he's going, I believe him. The mother
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  Speaker 10: can't believe her own son. Who can she believe?
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  Speaker 8: How about the company your boy keeps? You know any
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  Speaker 8: of his friends, Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: Lawson?
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  Speaker 10: Few, yes. There's the Miller boy and Jack Holland. They
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  Speaker 10: seem to be fine boys.
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  Speaker 8: Miller and Holland?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with them.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there is, ma'am.
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  Speaker 5: What? Both of them have juvenile records. Both of them
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  Speaker 5: belong to your son's gang.
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  Speaker 10: Really, Sergeant? How can you say that? It isn't fair.
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  Speaker 10: Wouldn't it be better to try and understand these boys
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  Speaker 10: instead of picking on them, persecuting them?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how we're going to make you understand, Mrs. Lawson.
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  Speaker 5: We're not picking on them. We're not persecuting them. We
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  Speaker 5: know there's a gang problem. We know your boy's one
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  Speaker 5: of those at the bottom of it. If something isn't done,
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  Speaker 5: there's going to be trouble. We're going to stop it
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  Speaker 5: before it begins. We're going to have to have your help.
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  Speaker 10: I'm perfectly willing to cooperate, you know that. That must
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  Speaker 10: be Robert now. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 7: Robert!
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  Speaker 3: Robert!
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  Speaker 9: Bob, is that you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Would you come in here a minute, Bob? We're in
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  Speaker 10: the living room.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah? What do you want?
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  Speaker 10: These are police officers, Bobby. This is Sergeant Friday. Sergeant Jacobs,
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  Speaker 10: is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 6: How are you? How do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 9: How about something to eat?
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  Speaker 2: MJ, anything ready?
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  Speaker 10: I wasn't expecting you, Bob. Won't take me a minute, though.
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  Speaker 10: You sit down there. I'll go out and get a
• 12:04
  Speaker 10: snack together for you. Can I fix you a sandwich upstairs?
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  Speaker 7: A cup of coffee?
• 12:08
  Speaker 6: No, thank you. No, thanks very much.
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  Speaker 10: Won't be a minute, Bob. We were just talking about
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  Speaker 10: you when.
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  Speaker 7: You came in.
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  Speaker 9: What's it about, Sergeant? You want to see me or
• 12:16
  Speaker 9: you just want to talk to my mother?
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  Speaker 6: As long as you're here, we'd like to talk to
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  Speaker 6: both of you, Bob.
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  Speaker 9: I got to take off pretty fast. Just came home
• 12:22
  Speaker 9: to get something to eat. What's it about?
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  Speaker 5: It's about Geronimo. That's the gang's code word for the
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  Speaker 5: war you're setting.
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  Speaker 6: Up, isn't it?
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  Speaker 9: I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 8: Your gang, Bob, the Apaches. We talked to half a
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  Speaker 8: dozen of them last night down at the juvenile division.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: Now, look, son, we've got the names of everybody in
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: your gang. We know the whole setup.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: You go ahead with your idea and you're going to
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: buy a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 9: A couple of cops were here last week. They said
• 12:42
  Speaker 9: the same thing. I don't know any more about it
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  Speaker 9: now than I did then. Honest, what's the pitch anyway?
• 12:47
  Speaker 8: You know what the pitch is, youngster.
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  Speaker 3: I don't, honest.
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  Speaker 9: You're trying to say I'm in a gang, is that it?
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  Speaker 6: You're in it up to your neck, son. Now, why
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: don't you come off it? We've got you pegged and
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  Speaker 6: everybody that runs with you. That includes the girlfriends you
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: got in the gang. You're not fooling anybody.
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  Speaker 9: You must be a little crazy. I'm not in a gang.
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  Speaker 9: I never even heard of one around here.
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  Speaker 5: Why don't you listen to me, boy? You can take
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  Speaker 5: this as a warning or a piece of advice either way.
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  Speaker 5: You and your friends keep on playing punk gangsters and
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  Speaker 5: we're going to lean on you.
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  Speaker 6: You understand? What is this?
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  Speaker 2: Trying to scare me?
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  Speaker 5: If it'll make you change your mind, yeah. If this
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  Speaker 5: street war comes off, there's going to be big trouble.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think is going to happen when 200
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  Speaker 5: kids tangle in a fight with knives and brass knuckles?
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  Speaker 6: Now, use your head.
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  Speaker 7: Here we are, Bob.
• 13:27
  Speaker 10: Nice melt, nice bowl of hot soup. Bacon and tomato sandwiches.
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  Speaker 9: You always make the soup too hot.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, I didn't mean to. Let it cool off for
• 13:37
  Speaker 10: a minute, then. Bob has to eat and hurry along, officers.
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  Speaker 10: Is there anything else you wanted to talk to him about?
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  Speaker 6: No, I think you've heard everything we have to say.
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  Speaker 6: I wish you'd think it over, Mrs. Lawson.
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  Speaker 2: You too, Bob.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing to think over? They're trying to say I'm in
• 13:52
  Speaker 9: a gang. They think I'm the leader.
• 13:54
  Speaker 10: You told them, didn't you, son?
• 13:56
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 13:56
  Speaker 9: They don't believe me.
• 13:59
  Speaker 10: I wish I could make you understand, Sergeant. He's not
• 14:01
  Speaker 10: a gang leader. Robert's telling the truth.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid he isn't, ma'am.
• 14:06
  Speaker 10: Well, he is. I know he is. I mean, after all,
• 14:09
  Speaker 10: he's my son. I'm in a position to know him
• 14:11
  Speaker 10: better than you do.
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 14:13
  Speaker 10: If he was lying, I'd know it. I wish I
• 14:15
  Speaker 10: could make you understand. Mother is the only one who
• 14:18
  Speaker 10: really knows her, boy.
• 14:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 14:21
  Speaker 10: I know Robert's telling the truth. Aren't you, Robert? Robert?
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 14:30
  Speaker 10: That's so, isn't it? You're telling the truth, aren't you?
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 14:34
  Speaker 9: How about some more soup?
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Before we left the house, we tried again to talk
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: to Robert Lawson and his mother, but it was no use.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: She believed every word he said, and he apparently refused
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: to believe the possible consequences of the war he was
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: planning for his gang of juveniles. We drove downtown and
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: had an interview with the boy's father at his work.
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: He was even less cooperative. He took on a belligerent attitude,
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: accused us of persecuting his son, and ordered us out
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: of the office. Along with Sergeant Bill Gardner and Frank Kerber,
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: we spent the rest of the afternoon and most of
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: the following day checking with parents of youngsters who had
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: been recently recruited into one of the various East Side gangs.
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: Most of them were cooperative. Late that afternoon, Bill Gardner, Ed, and.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Myself met with Captain Stein back at Hollenbeck Juvenile.
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: Strict curfew all over the area.
• 15:25
  Speaker 8: We can start tonight.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: What do you figure, just on the weekends?
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Every night, Sunday to Sunday.
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: I'll get some more men in to help out. Every
• 15:32
  Speaker 8: youngster out in the street after 10 o'clock gets stopped.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Every one of them caught with knives, saps, brass knuckles,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: or anything like them, they're going.
• 15:38
  Speaker 8: To be pulled in and filed on.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: No exceptions.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: It'd be a lot safer in custody than mixing in
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: the gang fight.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of help. Might teach some of the
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: parents a lesson anyway. Yeah. Excuse me.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Joven of the Vision Stein.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: Where was that?
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: When?
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah, right away.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Let's hustle at Evergreen Avenue out near the cemetery.
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what is it? Curfew was a good idea.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: We got it too late. Huh?
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: Gang war.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: It's already started.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Before we left the office, we had communications notify all
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: J cars on the special detail to proceed at once
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: to the scene of the Major 415 call. Ten cars
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: were ordered to cruise the area surrounding the actual scene
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: of the fight and to pick up any and all
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: members of the juvenile gangs who showed any evidence of
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: having been in the fight or had in their possession
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: any deadly weapon. Captain Stein, Bill Gardner, Ed, and myself
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: left the office on a Code 3 and drove out
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: to the scene of the gang fight. When we got there,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: all the J cars and three radio crews had the
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: area blocked off. An ambulance crew was treating more than
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: a dozen youngsters who had been injured during the fight.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: One of the youngsters had a lacerated eye. He'd been blinded.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: Most of the other victims would carry scars for the
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: rest of their lives.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: The juveniles who'd taken part in the battle and who'd
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: been lucky enough to escape without serious injury were being
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: loaded into the J cars and the radio cars.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: They were to be.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Removed to juvenile headquarters at 1335 Georgia Street for further investigation.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Together with Bill Gardner and Frank Kerber, Ed and I
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: began covering the area, collecting dozens of homemade weapons used
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: in the gang fight. They'd be turned over to Pete Brown,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Hollenbeck juvenile, to be booked as evidence.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Joe?
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Ed. Come here a minute. Over here.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: Piece of chain, bloodstains on it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Lousy helpers, just gonna get them.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Bobby!
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Help me, Bobby!
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: Come on. All right.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Across the street there, the car on the driveway. Oh, yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Help him, he's hurt.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Somebody help him, Bobby.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: What's the trouble?
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: Bobby, he was in the fight with another gang.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: They stabbed him.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: He's in the car.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Come on. What is it, Joe? Take a look.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: The Lawson boy, huh?
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Knife in his chest.
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: Want me to get the doctor?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Call the coroner, too.
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  Speaker 6: Thursday, October 16th, 5.35 p.m.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: After the discovery of Robert Lawson's body in the car
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: parked in the driveway adjoining the cemetery grounds, Ed brought
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: the doctor over from the ambulance. The 17-year-old Lawson boy
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: was pronounced dead. The doctor made out the prescribed form
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: and marked it DOA. While we waited for the crime
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: lab crew and the coroner to get there, Ed and
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I questioned the girl who'd led us to the body.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: She identified herself as Ann Porter, age 16.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: She told us she was Bob Lawson's girlfriend.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: She readily admitted accompanying him to the scene of the
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: gang fight that afternoon.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: I knew what it was going to be like. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: knew right then. I came closer. Bob told the kids
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: to get ready. There were little waves from us when
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: they stopped. The other gang, the Purple Hearts, Yeah, go ahead.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: There's a kid by the name of Jumpy. He's the leader.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: I stepped out in front of him and called to Bob.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Called him a bad name, said bad things.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: I suppose you called Jumpy. You know his real name, Ann?
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: No, Jumpy's only his nickname. I know him when I
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: see him, though I can point him out.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Well, what happened after he called, Bob?
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know. What?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure. Everything seemed to happen at once. Bob
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: swore at me, pushed me back, told me to get
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: out of the way. Then he walked up to this kid, Jumpy,
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: right in front of their whole gang. I screamed at Bob.
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: I screamed at him not to.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Why'd you scream? What'd he do?
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: He had a chain under his coat. It was kind
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: of a short whip-like. Bob had it doubled up.
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: When he went up to Jumpy, Bob had a cigarette
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: in his mouth. He told Jumpy to light it for him.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: It's supposed to mean he's chicken if he does it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Jumpy laughed at him. Bob took out the chain, hit
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: him across the face with it. Hit him with all
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: his might. It knocked Jumpy down. He was laying on
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: the sidewalk. His face was cut bad. Bob had the chain,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: kept hitting him with it. Then somebody gave a yell
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: and both the gangs started fighting.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Were you close to Bob Lawson most of the time?
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: No, not first. There was a lot of yelling and
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: kicking and fighting going on. I ran around and was
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: looking for him and finally saw Bob. I'm not sure
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: it happened so fast.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: What happened then?
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure. I thought I saw Jumpy pull a
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: knife on Bob. Long and thin, maybe an ice pick.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Bobby was still hitting with the chain. It was It
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: looked like Jumpy hit Bob in the chest with something
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: right over the heart. Bobby stopped. Jumpy did it again.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: Bobby got right.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: He looked sick.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: He turned around and started to run.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: What happened then?
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Bobby kept running. I knew he was hurt. I went
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: after him. I saw him fall, but he got up.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: He kept running. Then one of the other gang grabbed me.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: They hit me.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: It's all right. We understand.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: I didn't find Bob until the fight was over. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: heard the cops' cars coming, sirens. Coming around from everywhere.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: I felt sick. I finally found Bob, though. He was
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: laying in the backseat of the car, just laying there.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: And that's when you called out?
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: Yes. I guess I knew it. As soon as I
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: looked at him, dead white as a sheet.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Amy, see?
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: Not when you find somebody dead, not somebody you love.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: All right, youngster. It'll be all right. It'll be all right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: You're lying. You know that. It won't be all right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Take it easy, Ann.
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: I love Bob.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Didn't you know that? When he graduated, the first thing,
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: we were going to get married. As soon as he
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: got out of school, we'd be married.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: We'd be married.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: Ann?
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Ann?
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. How old are you?
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: I'm 16. Why?
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: Nothing. It happens to practically everybody. What?
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: People seem to make a lot of mistakes when they're 16.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: 6.30 p.m.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: The crime lab crew arrived, took pictures of the entire
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: scene along with all physical evidence and dusted the murder
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: weapon an eight-inch knife for fingerprints.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: The coroner arrived.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: And after we'd completed our investigation, he removed the body
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: to the county morgue. Along with a policewoman, we took
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Robert Lawson's girlfriend, 16-year-old Ann Porter, down to Georgia Street
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Juvenile Division to the assembly room. There, a special show-up
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: was held of all the boys.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Involved in the afternoon's fight.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: The Porter girl identified a 17-year-old by the name of
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Warren Stone, nicknamed Jumpy, as the boy who'd stabbed Robert
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Lawson to death. At least a dozen other subjects in
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: the case identified the boy by his nickname, Jumpy. Three
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: members of either gang involved in the fight declared in
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: sworn statements that Warren Stone was the boy who'd attacked
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the Lawson boy with a homemade knife. Statements were taken
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: from all concerned, and the ringleaders of the gangs were detained.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: The other subjects were released to their parents' custody after
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: being notified that they would be filed on and a
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: hearing held in juvenile court. Ann Porter was returned home
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: by a policewoman. 7.55 p.m., Ed Jacobs and I took
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the subject, Warren Stone, to the captain's office where we
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: tried to question him about the murder.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: He refused to say anything. I told you the truth.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I told you the whole story. I don't have to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: tell you again.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: We're pretty sure you didn't tell us the truth, Warren.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: We know you tangled with Bob Lawson in that fight
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: this afternoon.
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: No, I didn't.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: We've got statements from a dozen kids, son. They say
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Lawson had a piece of chain. He kept slugging you
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: with it. They say you pulled a knife and stabbed him.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: How do they know?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of kids had knives.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Anybody could have stabbed him.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Why are you picking on me?
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: It was your knife. It was your knife that killed him.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Your initial's on it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I lost a knife in the fight. Somebody could have
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: picked it up and used it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: No, that won't do, youngster. The handle of the knife's
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: been processed. Your fingerprints are all over it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I'm out of time.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Warren, come on now. What do you got to say?
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: Nothing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: I killed him. I killed him.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: 8.40 p.m., Warren Stone was booked in at Georgia Street
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Jail on suspicion of 187 PC, murdered. Ed and I
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: got in the car and drove out to the home
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: of the murder victim to notify his parents, Mr.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: And Mrs. Robert Lawson. Mr.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Lawson wasn't home from work yet. We broke the news
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: of her son's death to Mrs.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Lawson as gently as we could.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: She became hysterical, and we called the family doctor who
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: gave her sedatives.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Later, when she recovered herself a bit, she asked for
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: the full story. We told her.
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: How could it happen? Bobby. How could it happen?
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: Sorry, ma'am. There's not much we can say.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: We tried everything we could to stop it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: You didn't stop it. You let them kill Bobby. You
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: let them kill him.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: No, ma'am. We tried to warn him. We tried to
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: warn all of them. We're sorry.
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: You're not sorry. You didn't try. Bob's dead. Everything I had.
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: He's 17 years old and he's dead. I can thank
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: you for that. My only baby.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: We're sorry you feel that way, Mrs. Lawson.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: Why shouldn't I feel that way? You call yourselves policemen.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: That boy who killed Bobby. You should have had him
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: in jail in the first place.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: Young killer.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: Running around Lewis, you're as guilty as he is.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: I'm not defending him, ma'am, but he wasn't a young killer.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Didn't even have a juvenile record.
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: I don't care anything about records. He's a killer. He
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: took a knife and he killed Bob, and you let
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: him do it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: You let him.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: Well, I think we better be going in.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: You or your husband will have to identify the body, and.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Tomorrow morning he'll be all right at the county morgue.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Dear God.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: You'll have to be at the coroner's inquest, too. You'll
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: be notified about the time and the date.
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: I hope you have to live with this. I hope
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: you live with it like I have to live with it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: I hope it drives you crazy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: I know how you feel, ma'am, but you're wrong. I
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: think you'll realize that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: They murdered Bob. You let them kill him. I'll always
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: remember that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: And you remember something else. The last time we came
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: here to your house, we tried to make you understand.
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: You didn't know Bobby. You didn't understand him. I was
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: the only one. I always knew what he was thinking,
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: what he wanted, what he was going to do. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: was the only one.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: No, ma'am.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: There was somebody else.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: What?
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: The boy who killed him.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: The story you have just heard was true. The names
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: were changed to protect the innocent.
• 28:03
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• 29:22
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  Speaker 3: 242 PC battery.
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  Speaker 4: They were all made wards of the juvenile court and
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  Speaker 4: placed in detention homes under the supervision of the state
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  Speaker 4: youth authority. They are still confined in state institutions for juveniles.
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  Speaker 4: You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases
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  Speaker 4: from official files. Technical advice comes from the office of
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  Speaker 4: Chief of Police W.H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. Heard
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  Speaker 4: tonight were Barney Phillips, Charles Smith, and Eddie Firestone. Script
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  Speaker 4: by Jim Moser. Music by Walter Schumann. Hal Gibney speaking.
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  Speaker 3: Dragnet transcribed from Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 6: Next, it's David Harding and Counterspy on NBC.
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  Speaker 1: This concludes Dragnet, episode 136, Big Juvenile Division. Follow Dragnet
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