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#1739 Seed Oils & Colon Cancer - David Gillespie · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get at and welcome to another installment of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Tiff High, Hi, feel what You're on fire today?
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  Speaker 1: The only Child? Pick the only Child? You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Last night? Hi, David?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Graig good? Thank you? Last night I did a workshop
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  Speaker 1: called pre Season twenty twenty five for anyway, just talking
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  Speaker 1: about getting our shit together in the next year, as
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  Speaker 1: we always do before the end of the current year
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  Speaker 1: that we're in. But I had I shouldn't say this,
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  Speaker 1: but fuck it. Whatever, little credibility I have left. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to say to the world. Every now and then,
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  Speaker 1: about once a month, I have a nicorette, two milligram
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  Speaker 1: nicorette because it just wow. So last night was the night,
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  Speaker 1: and I also had with me. I had a coffee
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  Speaker 1: and a coke, so I had double caffeine and nicotine.
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  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of my listeners are right
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  Speaker 1: now disappointed. I do not smoke, don't do drugs, don't
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  Speaker 1: do booze. But about once a month I have a
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  Speaker 1: two milligram nickeline.
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  Speaker 3: How could you fit the smoking and the booze in
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  Speaker 3: with all of that?
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Fuck. I was on fire. My
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  Speaker 1: brain was just it was just the only problem was
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  Speaker 1: at midnight, when I'm usually three hours into my slumber,
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  Speaker 1: it's fucking noz's to be seen. Do you sleep well?
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  Speaker 1: Go less bo ah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Usually Do you have a particular you probably don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it because you know that I reckon two things
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to get to the topic at hand.
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  Speaker 1: But I reckon two things that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't think about because it doesn't affect them, but it
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  Speaker 1: does affect a lot of people. One is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people don't sleep well, like I reckon maybe half
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  Speaker 1: the population. And the other less glamorous one is that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't shit well. The amount of
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  Speaker 1: people that are constipated that I've worked with over the
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  Speaker 1: last forty years. Tif, do you do both of those?
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  Speaker 3: Well? TI? For you comfortable with him revealing these things
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  Speaker 3: about you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I notice that he's just gone straight to me
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  Speaker 2: eat it for the public report of my bow movements
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  Speaker 2: quite regularly. Quite good sleep has always been a challenge woman,
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  Speaker 2: But really I've really got on top of that over
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  Speaker 2: the recent times. What have you changed A strong bedtime routine.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to be quite good with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just an early riser always. But if I don't wind
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  Speaker 2: down well and have a routine and get the I've
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  Speaker 2: got to be a nana. If if I'm not winding
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  Speaker 2: down before ten, it is party time in my brain
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  Speaker 2: until at least three am. Wine awake.
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  Speaker 1: Well, don't do caffeine and nicotine before bed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a hard note for me.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lunchtime cut off there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in general, avoid stimulants. I mean, the nicotine and
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  Speaker 3: caffeine are obvious ones, but the ones people don't realize
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  Speaker 3: they're taking on the electronic ones. So you play computer games,
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  Speaker 3: you get on social media, you do some online gambling,
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  Speaker 3: all of those things.
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  Speaker 2: In short, you and the online gambling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I know you quite know what
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about here. But you know, Craig might you know,
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  Speaker 3: don't do porn either, just just before you go to sleep.
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  Speaker 3: It's all of these things give you a dopamine spike,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to make it really hard for your
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  Speaker 3: brain to calm down.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I see a lot of is
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  Speaker 1: kids in the gym. Well, think about young Jamie at
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  Speaker 1: the gym, tiff nearly every time you see her, the
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  Speaker 1: Crabs kid. She walks into the gym every day with
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  Speaker 1: a red bull.
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  Speaker 2: I know, in the PM, in the PM.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's not alone. And I'm not throwing her
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  Speaker 1: under the bus because I would say seventy eighty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the teenage kids that train in the gym they
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  Speaker 1: have some kind of stimulant before they train or after
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  Speaker 1: they train, or both very very and they have this
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  Speaker 1: thing that you may or may not have heard of,
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  Speaker 1: David called and I'm not being facetious, And there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole different, bloody plethora of them. But they call them
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  Speaker 1: pre workout drinks, and basically they're just stimulants, central nervous
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  Speaker 1: system stimulants.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so I canter coke it's.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but times four, so it might have instead of
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  Speaker 1: forty grams of caffeine, or have one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: grams of caffeine. I mean, crazy, crazy amounts. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: these and then I reckon the biggest consumers of those
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  Speaker 1: particular energy drinks are children. Well by that, I mean
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  Speaker 1: people are under twenty, you know, anyone speaking of junk food.
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  Speaker 1: I look at all the shit he puts up. It's
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  Speaker 1: all good, all the time. And I'm going to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have many followers, So give him, give him
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  Speaker 1: little bit of love and say I'm here because Jumbo
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  Speaker 1: told me to give you a little bit of love. Here,
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  Speaker 1: I am hey.
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  Speaker 3: Just before we get to the first article, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about coming back to the thing you said
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  Speaker 3: before about bowel movements and sleep. The common thing between
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  Speaker 3: those two is anxiety. So usually sleep disturbance is the
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  Speaker 3: first sign. Often the studies are showing probably two to
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  Speaker 3: three years prior to diagnosis, first sign of anxiety slash
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  Speaker 3: depression is sleep disturbance. Bowel movements is similarly associated with anxiety.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're seeing that, particularly in teenage children, so
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  Speaker 3: difficulties will sleep. Now with teenage children, when you say
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  Speaker 3: difficulties will sleep, it's not going to bit later, which
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  Speaker 3: their brains make them do any way, by virtual being
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  Speaker 3: a teenager, because there's a shift in the metabolic clock
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  Speaker 3: by about two hours during teenage of them, so they
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  Speaker 3: go to bed naturally two hours later than they did
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  Speaker 3: when prior to puberty. But if they have trouble staying
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  Speaker 3: asleep or getting to sleep sort of after eleven o'clock
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  Speaker 3: at night, then it could be a sign of anxiety
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  Speaker 3: and depression. This is important because of a story that
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  Speaker 3: was out today in the papers. I haven't written a
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  Speaker 3: piece about this one yet, Craig, but they found in
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  Speaker 3: this study three quarters of Victorian teenagers have diagnosable have
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  Speaker 3: had a diagnosable clinical anxiety or depression over the last
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  Speaker 3: eight years. Now three quarters of a teenage population sets
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  Speaker 3: a world record. There's no other study that shows that
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  Speaker 3: level of anxiety and depression in teenagers in the world.
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  Speaker 3: We are at the starting edge of a very, very
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  Speaker 3: big of them. And we can come back and talk
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  Speaker 3: about that one in a little while. But I just
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  Speaker 3: thought i'd raise that because it connects those two things
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  Speaker 3: that you mentioned before.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll circle back. But I'm very I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about that. I mean, I believe what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe what was written, but I don't like
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  Speaker 1: that's the majority of children having diagnosable anxiety then anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty four percent of females between the ages of ten
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  Speaker 3: and eighteen in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean they have consistent anxiety it's a condition,
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  Speaker 1: or they're teenagers and every now and then they get anxious.
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  Speaker 3: Because that what they found was three distinct waves of
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  Speaker 3: its three annual occurrences in that age group ten to
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  Speaker 3: eighteen year olds that were met the criteria for clinical diagnosis.
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  Speaker 3: So not just a bit worried, but clinical diagnosis of anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't know what the solution is to that.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously there is a solution, take all the devices away.
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  Speaker 3: That's easy. Do you reckon It's only that I think
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  Speaker 3: that's the majority of it. I mean, there's some other
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  Speaker 3: things laid in on that, because the other thing that
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  Speaker 3: causes the same response in the brain is not just addiction.
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  Speaker 3: Remember there's also uncertainty. Well, uncertainty magnifies both addiction and danger.
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  Speaker 3: But there's danger, and danger can be in the form
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  Speaker 3: of addictive things, so like gambling apps that simulate danger,
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  Speaker 3: or gaming apps that simulate danger, or it can be
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  Speaker 3: in the form of chronic stress, like a family that
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  Speaker 3: isn't sure whether there's going to be enough money to
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  Speaker 3: pay the rent every week, or the COVID nineteen shut
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  Speaker 3: down and lockdown things created enormous amounts of chronic stress.
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  Speaker 3: But that research tried to adjust for COVID in these
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  Speaker 3: numbers and found that it couldn't be a tribut to COVID.
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  Speaker 3: So whilst it may well have had a contributory effect,
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  Speaker 3: and all of those lockdown things could have contributed to it,
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  Speaker 3: they said it was there before that happened, So that
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  Speaker 3: tells you it's something much much earlier that's been going
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  Speaker 3: on noting that we've only had really access to social media,
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  Speaker 3: online gambling, online gaming, and ready access to pornography probably
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  Speaker 3: only the last fourteen years to teenagers. So it's those
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  Speaker 3: kids that we're starting to see the results from.
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  Speaker 1: Just we'll come back straight away. But I remember about
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  Speaker 1: three months ago or four months ago, you were talking
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  Speaker 1: about this TV show called Friday Night Lights and how
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  Speaker 1: the first season was two thousand and eight, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the last season, which is season five, was two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve or thirteen something like that. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: five seasons, and then in between season one and season
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  Speaker 1: five was the advent of smart phones. But I'm both
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  Speaker 1: happy with you and mad at you because I've watched
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  Speaker 1: all five seasons now.
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  Speaker 3: And you enjoy it. I did it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like this simple little like it's it's about
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  Speaker 1: football everyone, but it's not. It's about this town and
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  Speaker 1: this coach and this family and the players, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very much like a sociological exploration of relationships and connection
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  Speaker 1: and adversity. And but I liked it because it's not
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  Speaker 1: I don't like watching things that are scary, like like
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind a bit of like action and like
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  Speaker 1: war movies or but stuff that's like horror and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that you know, puts my blood pressure through the roof
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  Speaker 1: and then I can't fucking sleep. I like watching things
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  Speaker 1: that are nice to watch.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing about this show, I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls, right, so it's not that night to watch.
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  Speaker 3: Is what they tend to do in that show, and
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  Speaker 3: I think they do it really, really well, is those teenagers.
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  Speaker 3: And it's about kids who are you know, sort of
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  Speaker 3: grade twelve age in high school. Those teenagers do just
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  Speaker 3: about everything wrong, like they you know, one of them
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  Speaker 3: gets pregnant, they're experimenting with drugs, they're driving illegally, they're
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  Speaker 3: stealing alcohol, even someone a little more criminal than that.
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  Speaker 3: And what's great about it is that it shows you
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  Speaker 3: the things that were dangerous before kids had phones and
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  Speaker 3: didn't need to bother. All of those all of those
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  Speaker 3: things now have about halved or less in incidents since
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  Speaker 3: the advent of smartphones. So risk taking, real world risk taking,
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  Speaker 3: has half. There's much less team pregnancy, much less public drunkenness,
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  Speaker 3: much less dangerous activity, much less law breaking. But the
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  Speaker 3: reason is because the kids are all in their bedrooms
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  Speaker 3: addicted to their devices and the damage there is much
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  Speaker 3: more severe because now it's not a few adventurous kids
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  Speaker 3: who do that, and in that show, there's a couple
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  Speaker 3: or two or three that are always doing the wrong
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  Speaker 3: thing and everyone else is pretty much okay. Now it's
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  Speaker 3: everybody all the time using addictive devices. And what we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing is that fly through because if people say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: so what keep them busy? Shuts them up. That's what
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  Speaker 3: you want from teenagers, except when it results in seventy
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  Speaker 3: five percent of them having diagnosable anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But like when I said to you, what's the solution,
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  Speaker 1: you said, get rid of the devices, which theoretically, but
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  Speaker 1: we know that's not going to happen. So what's the solo.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the solution is call them out for what they are.
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  Speaker 3: Name them so it's not the device, it's two or three,
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  Speaker 3: three or four apps explicitly designed to addict humans that
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  Speaker 3: are on those devices. Call them out, name them, ban them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if that's going to happen. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: Victoria was I think the first state in the world
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  Speaker 1: or to ban social media for kids under sixteen, and
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  Speaker 1: that made kind of global headlines. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing about that is people always say, ah,
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to work that, you know, they know.
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  Speaker 3: You've ever seen kids who want to get to something,
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  Speaker 3: they'll get they'll find a way, and they will. But
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  Speaker 3: that law makes the conversation at the breakfast table a
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  Speaker 3: hell of a lot easier for a parent if they can
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  Speaker 3: say no, you're not doing it because it's against the law, yes,
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  Speaker 3: rather than all day arguing about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, speaking of things
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  Speaker 1: that are not good for us, So you wrote or
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  Speaker 1: you posted an article about ultraprocessed foods and foods that
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  Speaker 1: are high in seed oils and the potential relationship with
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  Speaker 1: colon cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't like the term ultraprocessed foods. That's
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  Speaker 3: the term the article used, But I don't like it
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  Speaker 3: because just about everything we eat it's the definition of
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  Speaker 3: ultra processed food. I mean, if you didn't pick the
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  Speaker 3: apple yourself, or you know, chop up the cow yourself,
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  Speaker 3: then it's probably pretty ultra processed. So but the point
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  Speaker 3: about this study and the reason I posted it is
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  Speaker 3: for a long time I've been banging on. I wrote
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  Speaker 3: a book about this in I don't know twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: called Toxic oils, and there was a follow up a
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  Speaker 3: few years later, and I've written a few other books
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  Speaker 3: about it too. But the evidence has always been a
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  Speaker 3: little bit inferential in the sense that it suggests that
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  Speaker 3: there's a problem, it suggests there's a link to cancer,
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  Speaker 3: it suggests this is probably not a good idea, but
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  Speaker 3: there hasn't been loads of high quality studies linking these things.
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  Speaker 3: Now I've made the linkages in my books and said
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  Speaker 3: there's enough evidence there for us to call this one okay.
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  Speaker 3: On the precautionary principle, we should be really really careful
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  Speaker 3: about putting this stuff in our food supply, particularly in
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  Speaker 3: the kinds of quantities we are. So what are we
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  Speaker 3: talking about. We're talking about everything that you know. They're
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  Speaker 3: commonly called seed oils. A lot of your listeners might
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  Speaker 3: know them as vegetable oils because that's how they're labeled
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  Speaker 3: on the packs. So this is canola, sunflower oil, soybean oil,
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  Speaker 3: cottonseed oil, grape seed oil, rice brand oil, all those
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  Speaker 3: sorts of things. They're very very high in something called
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  Speaker 3: amega six fats. And I've said for a while and
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  Speaker 3: many other people have too, our bodies aren't built for
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  Speaker 3: that level of amiga six fats. Omega six is are
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  Speaker 3: the pro inflammatory fats, so amiga three people often know
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  Speaker 3: amiga three fish oils and so on as being anti inflammatory. Well,
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  Speaker 3: the anti inflammatory that the omiga three is fighting is
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  Speaker 3: the information caused by the amega six So we have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these in our diet now. All the
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  Speaker 3: fast food restaurants, I mean McDonald's in Australia switched in
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and four from animal fat to these things.
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  Speaker 3: I think they use canola. All the rest of them followed,
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  Speaker 3: and the last I think to faur was KFC in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twelve when they switched over to canola from their
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  Speaker 3: palm oil I think is what they were using, which
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  Speaker 3: is fine. So it's now everywhere anything fried in anything
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  Speaker 3: is fried in these oils. If you look at the
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  Speaker 3: fat on the label of any food on a supermarket shelf,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be one of these oils, often just
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  Speaker 3: ascribed as vegetable oil that an't too exactly what it is,
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  Speaker 3: but it is now getting to the point. I know
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  Speaker 3: you're desperate for me to eventually find a point in
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  Speaker 3: all of this. This study is the interesting thing. It
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  Speaker 3: This study nails it what they did was they analyzed
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  Speaker 3: colon cancer. So they analyzed the tunas the tuners, no
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  Speaker 3: fish were involved. They analyzed the tumors of sufferers of
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  Speaker 3: colon cancer and they found excessive quantities of amiga six fats,
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  Speaker 3: and they also found a mechanism to explain it. They
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  Speaker 3: found that the Omega six fats encouraged the tumor growth
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  Speaker 3: and suppressed the anti anti tumor activity that the body
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  Speaker 3: naturally had.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hit the brakes, just say that. I know what
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  Speaker 1: you said, but just say that last bit again. What
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  Speaker 1: did they find.
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  Speaker 3: They found that the Amiga six fats in these tumors
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  Speaker 3: encouraged the tumor growth and suppressed the body's natural defenses
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  Speaker 3: against it back. And the reason this is important is
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  Speaker 3: if you look at the statistics on colorectal cancer or
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  Speaker 3: colon cancer, whatever you want to call it, colorectal cancer
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  Speaker 3: in the United States and in Australia, it's now the
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  Speaker 3: second biggest killer, second biggest killer behind lung cancer, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, which we can talk about another day, which
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  Speaker 3: is an interesting one all on its own because nobody
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  Speaker 3: smokes anymore. But we'll come back to that one. But
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  Speaker 3: this is now the second biggest killer, and if you
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  Speaker 3: look at people under the age of fifty, it is
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  Speaker 3: growing exponentially and there is no explanation for this from
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  Speaker 3: the scientific consensus. So if you look at the Australian
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  Speaker 3: statistics and look at people under forty in Australia in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two, there are eleven point seven people per
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand. Now sorry, there were three point seven people
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  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand. Now there are eleven point seven per
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand. So it is tripled in that period of time. Now,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: for anything to triple, I mean we want it going backwards.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I mean we got flat to backwards is what we're
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: aiming for here. With cancer tripled in people under forty
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: is terrible, absolutely terrible, and that the scientific community has
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: no explanation for that is even worse. These guys have
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: found an explanation. It's an explanation that's been there for
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: a while in books like the ones I wrote, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: other people are speculated about it and said, hang on,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: why are cancers that are anywhere along the digestive tracked
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: going bananas in younger people because it's not just colorect
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: or this thyroid cancer, et cetera. Et cetera. And I
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: have connected dots and others have too and said it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the Amiga six fats. We've introduced massive quantit it is
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: of them into our diet. They are pro cancer elements.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: That's what's causing this. This study puts a pin in
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: it and says, actually we think it might.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: All right, I just want to Okay, great, So now
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: some people are listening to this and they're a bit terrified,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: which is not the worst thing. So just while we're
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: in this moment of improved awareness around this, and again,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: remember everyone, this is just people talking. This is not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a prescription. But just tell people. I know we've done
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it a few times, but there'll be people who've never
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: heard of you and this will be their first time
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: with you. And there'll be people who have heard this
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: list before, but forget it. So what is on the acceptable,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: what's on the David Gillespie yes list in terms of oils,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and what's on the no list?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, So what we're aiming for here is you need
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: fat in your diet. No fat, no diet, right, so
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: you need to adding your diet. But what you want
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to aim for is fats that are very, very low
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: in these Amiga six fats. So now they come from
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: one place, which is plants. In the modern industrial diet,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: they come from things labeled as vegetable oils. No vegetables
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: were harmed in their construction. They actually come from seeds.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: So the things you want to avoid are fats that
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: come from seeds. So we're talking about canola, sunflour, grape seed,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: rice brand, a lot of the nut based ones like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: almonds and so on. Those are things that you've got
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to avoid because they in general tend to be high
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: in Amiga six fats.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: What about whole almonds versus just because somebody on the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: call eats almonds every day.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Whole almonds are okay, You've just got to be careful
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: how many you eat. And I published a table in
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: one of my books that actually calculated how many could
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: eat and not exceed the allowance of Amiga six fats.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I'll shoot it through you after the show and you
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: can put it up if you want, but it's I
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: can't remember what the number was for almonds, but all
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of them were sort of reasonable numbers. You could eat
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: reasonable numbers as long as you know they weren't the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: primary constituent of your meal every day, then you're probably
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: okay because you're eating a lot of other stuff besides
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the fat, when you're chomping through whole armor. When you
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: grind them, when you grind them up and use them
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: as flour and everything you cork, or when you turn
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: them into a paste and spread them in on everything,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: then that's a different thing altogether. So I'll send you that, but.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Just quick, sorry, just quickly, because I try to think,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: if I'm a listener, what do I want to ask?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing regular peanut butter, I mean regular peanut
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: butter off the shelf at Safeway and more worse, doesn't
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: get the tick.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: It depends a lot on the brand, is what I found.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Like when you actually do the analysis of the data
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: they are forced to put on the label, and I
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: have done that, it really depends a lot on the brand.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So some brands are okay, others are not. And it's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: because many of them don't use actual peanuts. They use
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the term they use for it is,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: but basically deconstituted peanut powder and then they reconstitute it
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: with other fats. So if you careful, if you have
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a look at the label and it just says the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: ingredients are peanuts. You're probably good, but have a close
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: look at the label. Don't make assumptions about what these
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: things are made out of. Just because I said peanuts
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: on the front doesn't mean that's what it's made of.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, look, be careful with peanuts. Their borderline. Things
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that aren't borderline.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Tell us what okay on the to do that on
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the the okay list. So we know, butter, think lard,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Anything from an animal. So all animal fats are fine.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: So but lard, tallow, rendered, beef, rendered, you know, an
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: All animal fats are fine.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: What about the what about the crackling that I'm going
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to eat off the pig at chrissy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look it's it's it's okay. Pig fat is a
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: bit of a problem in Australia because I think it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: around ninety percent of our peaks are raised in you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: industrial form, not on they're not free range, and and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: those ones have fed a lot of grain, and because
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: they're omnivores, that grain contains a lot of Amiga six
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and it ends up in their fat as a Mega
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: six fat. So so this is the only point where
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I agree with standard Heart Foundation advice, which is, if
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: you're going to eat pig like in bacon or pork
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: of any description, trimm it, take the fat off because
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: that fat, if it's you know, if it's farm, if
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: it's not free range, that fat probably contains a large
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: amount of a Mega six fat. And in Australia, if
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it doesn't explicitly say it's free range, it's not, because
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: most pork in Australia is not free range. Pigs, by
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the way, if left to their own devices, don't eat grain.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: They roam around, they eat a lot of things, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: they don't go and choose to eat grain. But far
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: you know, the battery pigs or whatever they're called, they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: given a lot of grain. So to be avoided eat
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: still eat the pork, chop the fat off, and if
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you're going to eat crackling, do it once a year,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I would have thought is probably reasonable advice. But coming
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: back so, animal fats in general though, are pretty good
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: any kind of beef milk, but anything from a cow
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: is going to be good because ruminants like cows and
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: goats and sheep actually don't store a mega six fats
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: in any serious quantity, so you don't even have to
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: worry about the fat on those animals. No matter how
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: much people might tell you you've got to have you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: fast raised or you know, all that sort of nonsense,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter with ruminants. Now, if we talk
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: about people say, oh, yeah, great, but I'm a vegan
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: or a vegetarian and I don't I can't eat all
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: that stuff. What can I eat? The answer is there
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: are some that feed into there. So there's a couple
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of fats that mimic the fat profile of animal fat,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: soalm oil, coconut oil, and they're they're they're fine. They
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: actually look when you're doing an analysis of them, they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: have rough for the same analysis as animal fat. No
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: concern with those. There's an in between category which I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: call fruit oils, which are also I would say fine
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: as long as you're not eating vast quantities of them.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So these are fruit oil. So this is olive oil,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: for example, is a fruit oil. Avocado oil is another
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: fruit oil. And there's one nut oil which is absolutely
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: fine for some reason, macadamia nut oil, which has a
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: fat profile very very similar to animal fat.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Now, Tiff, I'm guessing from the screwed up look on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: your face. There's not going to be a lot of
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: pork crackling going down your gob over the next week.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Definitely not. And I feel sad for the little peace.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It made me feel sad thinking of the poor little bites.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: It's just that is. It is sad. That is the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That is how a lot of farming works there is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It is not a I don't want to be a downer,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's not a great existence. What okay, you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: know what's interesting, David? I mean, all of this is fascinating,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: but like it's literally it's literally been flipped. Like we
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the last twenty years, we've been told, you know, time
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and time and time again, no animal fats, like avoid
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: animal fats like that. It's like that's what's going to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: kill you, animal fats, and you're going, no, fuck that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: There the ones that are going to say, like, it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: not only is it have we been misinformed? We've been
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're accurate and these people are accurate,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: which I believe you are and they are, is just
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: my thoughts. Everyone, then we've actually been told the opposite
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of what is true.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And thinking about the time frame it was in
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the early eighties that they started telling us that. Yeah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and from that point these statistics have gone crazy on
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: cancer incidents. So and it's all well and good. You know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: people will say, oh, correlation does an equal causation. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about, Gillespie. Sure, But then
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: you see studies like this starting to hit the press saying, actually,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: we've done the digging, we've done the analysis, and it
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: looks like this could be true. You know that to me,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: says Okay, now you really do need to step back,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: because now it's not just a theory, it's being shown
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: to be implicated in the development of cancer.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mmm yeah. Tip you eat. You're a carnival,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: aren't you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm omnivore. Yeah, yeah, I do love a steak. And
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you know what, I really love Christmas ham.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: You know that comes from little piggies too.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Know what a dichotomy?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Well, listen to you, which do you feel a little bit?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I just I feel like you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: must be a little bit conflicted because you're such an
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: animal lover.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: It does it? Does?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like if I did go down the rabbit hole,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it would affect Someone was talking about cooking duck the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: other day, and I was in my mind assessing my
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: difference with thinking of a little ducky how cool of ducks?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you can't make a duck stew.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Leave them alone, And then I think about the poor chickens.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny is how we anthropomorph animals and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: we we rationalize. It's like we can rationalize eating tuna,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: which is a thing that swims around the ocean. But
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: imagine if I said, you know, I'm having dolphin for dinner,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: people would be like fucking hysterical. You go, well, it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: just another thing in the ocean, and yeah, I know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: but it's cute and smart and so all right, so
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: if it's ugly and dumb, we can eat it. But
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: if it's cute and smart, you know. And I'm not
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: recommending anything, but it is just funny the stories that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we like. Whatever we do, we rationalize it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Well, no one ever made a show about a tuna
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: called Flipper or something exactly.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: That's my point. That's my You know, there is a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: book this I think it was called Tubby Tubby Tuna.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Oh no, maybe I'm wrong, I do. I think there was,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. It's like, do you know that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that people overseas are horror fired that Australians eat kangaroo?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Look I lived in Germany for a little
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: while and they were really horrified at the thought that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: we would and that we had to cull them, and
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: so even worse than eating them was killing them and
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: not eating them. Yeah. No, they're very horrified because they're
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: so cute.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We were going to do more, but we're
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: going to let you off the hook because that was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a solidivity minutes and.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: As always, banging on forever about things.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Always good mate. I've got a question or two to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: ask you off air, so stick around, but for now, mate,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: we we appreciate you. Thank you so much for everything
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you do. I know that I don't know if you
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: enjoy it or not. I think you do a little bit.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't do it if I didn't.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think you tolerate it more than celebrate it. But
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you just feel sorry for me and Tiff. Thanks mate,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks for everything that you've done this year,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and maybe I have a great Chrissy with the fam
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and a great new year.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, same to you guys.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks mate, thanks DEEV, Thanks Boys, no talk for you.