Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Dr.Jill Stein & Dr.Butch Ware On Running As Green Party Candidates, Trump Vs Kamala, Israel Gaza War
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning,
- 0:05Speaker 1: everybody is dj n V.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club
- 0:09Speaker 2: law and Rosa is filling in for Jess. And we
- 0:11Speaker 2: have our sister Angela Rae with us this morning helping
- 0:13Speaker 2: us out. And we got some special guests joining us.
- 0:16Speaker 2: We have doctor Jill Stein welcome, hello, and doctor Butch.
- 0:19Speaker 3: Where good wepening, Yes, good morning in the building.
- 0:22Speaker 4: Y'all are a Green Party presidential candidate in running mate,
- 0:25Speaker 4: Tell the people what is the Green Party and how
- 0:28Speaker 4: are they different from the Democrats and the republic.
- 0:30Speaker 5: Well, for one thing, we don't take money from billionaires
- 0:33Speaker 5: and bankers in APAC and Wall Street and the war machine.
- 0:37Speaker 5: So we're a people powered party. That's what makes us
- 0:40Speaker 5: totally different. That's what liberates us to actually tell it
- 0:44Speaker 5: like it is and to stand up and fight for
- 0:46Speaker 5: the people, for the healthcare that we need as a
- 0:49Speaker 5: human right, for the housing that we need. Because half
- 0:52Speaker 5: half of America right now, half of all renters, are
- 0:55Speaker 5: struggling to keep a roof over their heads. That's not
- 0:58Speaker 5: a surprise, I'm sure to the listener on this program.
- 1:01Speaker 5: You know, eighty seven million people don't have the health
- 1:03Speaker 5: care that we need. Our schools are in crisis. We
- 1:06Speaker 5: got forty four million people carrying student debt, and you know,
- 1:10Speaker 5: and a climate crisis. Yet we're spending half of our
- 1:13Speaker 5: congressional dollars on the endless war machine, bringing us the
- 1:17Speaker 5: likes of the genocide in Gaza and beyond. We got
- 1:20Speaker 5: three you know, nuclear wars in the making right now.
- 1:23Speaker 5: You know, this is where our dollars are going half
- 1:25Speaker 5: of our congressional budget. It's twelve thousand dollars on average
- 1:29Speaker 5: per household in America to keep this endless war machine
- 1:33Speaker 5: going right now. Yet we have such urgent and dire needs,
- 1:36Speaker 5: especially among communities of color and African Americans. We've got
- 1:41Speaker 5: really critical needs that we need to be meeting. And
- 1:43Speaker 5: that's what the Green Party is about, actually fighting for people,
- 1:48Speaker 5: planet and peace over profit.
- 1:50Speaker 2: What would you say to people that feel like the
- 1:52Speaker 2: Green Party is really taking votes away from Democrats and
- 1:55Speaker 2: it's a disrupt a lot of people, especially a lot
- 1:58Speaker 2: of older people. When you talk about other parties outside
- 2:00Speaker 2: of Republican and Democrats, they say, oh, all they're doing
- 2:02Speaker 2: is being disrupting. They're just taking the votes away from
- 2:05Speaker 2: other parties. What are your thoughts on that?
- 2:07Speaker 5: So that's kind of the propaganda of the power machine
- 2:10Speaker 5: that wants you to stay in your place basically, and
- 2:14Speaker 5: to think that resistance is futile and think that you
- 2:17Speaker 5: don't own your vote. I mean, who owns your vote?
- 2:19Speaker 5: Politicians have to earn your vote. They don't own it.
- 2:22Speaker 5: And that's the question, are they earning your vote? You know,
- 2:25Speaker 5: when you actually look at our condition, people are facing
- 2:29Speaker 5: a crisis really in every dimension of our lives, and
- 2:33Speaker 5: it's not getting better yet our resources are being squandered.
- 2:36Speaker 5: Sixty eight percent of Americans want an immediate ceasefire and
- 2:40Speaker 5: an end to the genocide sixty eight percent. Yet you
- 2:42Speaker 5: can hardly get a single vote on that behalf in Congress,
- 2:46Speaker 5: and you're getting a standing ovation per minute for that
- 2:49Speaker 5: war criminal that Yahoo, you know, who is carrying out
- 2:53Speaker 5: this genocide which could be ended with a simple phone
- 2:56Speaker 5: call from the president, just like Reagan did, just like
- 2:59Speaker 5: Eisenhower did before him. The US is in charge. This
- 3:02Speaker 5: is our genocide going on right now, and don't let
- 3:05Speaker 5: them talk you into voting for genocide. If you vote
- 3:08Speaker 5: for genocide, you're endorsing it. You're enabling it. We can
- 3:11Speaker 5: stop it. We actually have the power. And I'll just
- 3:13Speaker 5: quote two people Frederick Douglass who said power concedes nothing
- 3:17Speaker 5: without a demand. The empire is trying to talk you
- 3:19Speaker 5: out of your demand right now. But we have that demand.
- 3:22Speaker 5: We have the numbers to make the demand. We got
- 3:23Speaker 5: the solutions, we've got a system, we have an analysis
- 3:26Speaker 5: which actually works, and we got to stand up and
- 3:29Speaker 5: make that demand. They're trying to shame you and blame
- 3:32Speaker 5: you out of making that demand that belongs to us.
- 3:35Speaker 5: Our vote is our power and a democracy. Don't let
- 3:37Speaker 5: them talk you out of it. And the second thing
- 3:39Speaker 5: is Alice Walker, the novelist and poet who said the
- 3:42Speaker 5: biggest way people give up power is by not knowing
- 3:44Speaker 5: we have it to start with. We got the power
- 3:46Speaker 5: if you look at the numbers, if you look at
- 3:48Speaker 5: the values, if you look at the solutions that are
- 3:51Speaker 5: out there, they're out there really waiting for us to
- 3:54Speaker 5: stand up and demand them. And if we don't know,
- 3:57Speaker 5: that's that's at our apperil us, that we're making a
- 4:01Speaker 5: mess out of the world. You know, we've committed some
- 4:03Speaker 5: like eighty regime change operations since the Second World War,
- 4:07Speaker 5: what's going on in Gaza is a it's like a microcosm.
- 4:10Speaker 5: It's like a symbol of empire and colonialism kind of
- 4:13Speaker 5: run amok. But it's not the only place, you know.
- 4:15Speaker 5: I mean, we've been rolling out slow motion genocides all
- 4:17Speaker 5: over the world for quite some time, and you know
- 4:20Speaker 5: this is catching up to us. We are no longer
- 4:23Speaker 5: the dominant power around the world. Power is shifting. We
- 4:26Speaker 5: need to shift with it. We can no longer be
- 4:29Speaker 5: giving marching orders to the rest of the world. We
- 4:31Speaker 5: need to stand up like an adult and be part
- 4:34Speaker 5: of a global community and a shared power structure.
- 4:37Speaker 6: And if you can just tag me in right here, Jill,
- 4:39Speaker 6: I'll go back to the first question, right, how is
- 4:41Speaker 6: it different? So when I was evaluating and got caught
- 4:43Speaker 6: onto the ticket three weeks ago, okay, and I had
- 4:46Speaker 6: done an Instagram live with doctor Joe Stein, and I
- 4:50Speaker 6: asked her a couple of questions. I had just posted
- 4:52Speaker 6: a real where Kamala Harris had been asked about reparations Harris. Okay,
- 4:57Speaker 6: Kamala Harris had been had been posted about reparations. I
- 5:01Speaker 6: posted a real where she was talking about it, and
- 5:03Speaker 6: she was asked and she you know, sort of went
- 5:05Speaker 6: around for about ninety seconds, and then she ended by saying,
- 5:08Speaker 6: I will never do anything that only helps black people.
- 5:10Speaker 6: In other words, it was a rising tide, lift all boats.
- 5:12Speaker 6: We're gonna have social policies and stuff that helps black
- 5:15Speaker 6: folks by default. So I asked doctor Jill in the interview,
- 5:19Speaker 6: what's your position on reparations, and she said, they behave
- 5:22Speaker 6: as though it's incalculable, but it has been calculated by
- 5:25Speaker 6: specialists many times. It's between ten and thirteen trillion dollars US.
- 5:28Speaker 6: And I'm in favor of payments cash payments to the
- 5:31Speaker 6: descendants of the enslaved. So had my attention with that right.
- 5:35Speaker 6: The second point is I said, well, we know that
- 5:38Speaker 6: you have been at the forefront of the struggle for
- 5:40Speaker 6: Palestine liberation, and as an anti Zionist Jewish white woman,
- 5:44Speaker 6: that is a powerful statement, especially seeing you get arrested
- 5:48Speaker 6: at you know, pro Palestine rally. So I know where
- 5:50Speaker 6: you stand on Gaza and we wouldn't be talking if
- 5:54Speaker 6: you didn't stand in that place. This was before I
- 5:55Speaker 6: was on the ticket, But I said, what's your overall
- 5:57Speaker 6: vision of foreign policy? And she said, to dismantle the
- 6:00Speaker 6: American empire, and I said, yeah, and you better hurry
- 6:04Speaker 6: up quick and do it before somebody do it for you. Right,
- 6:07Speaker 6: that those two processes look very different. If you take
- 6:10Speaker 6: the trillion dollars a year that are being thrown away
- 6:13Speaker 6: murdering other people's children in foreign countries, and instead of
- 6:15Speaker 6: put that into investments in infrastructure, into social housing, into
- 6:19Speaker 6: healthcare in this country, then that looks like a flourishing,
- 6:23Speaker 6: prosperous future, not.
- 6:24Speaker 3: Just for Black America but for all of America. Right.
- 6:27Speaker 6: Whereas if you continue to torment humanity with the most
- 6:33Speaker 6: brutal imperialist state ever to exist in human history, that
- 6:37Speaker 6: we're coming up on a nine to eleven more. Al Right,
- 6:38Speaker 6: Jill and I are going to do something on March
- 6:40Speaker 6: in Detroit. Well, what did Malcolm say about chickens coming
- 6:44Speaker 6: home to roost? If we keep exporting this violence all
- 6:47Speaker 6: over the globe, then it is going to keep coming
- 6:49Speaker 6: right back here to our homes. And that's something that
- 6:52Speaker 6: doesn't just concern black and brown folk. That's something that
- 6:54Speaker 6: concerned all folk. Last thing that I'll say on this
- 6:57Speaker 6: in response to here to your question, v I, would
- 7:01Speaker 6: you know one version that we get to that question?
- 7:04Speaker 6: You know regularly is like what you're throwing your vote away?
- 7:07Speaker 6: You know, right, that's the other version of it, Okay.
- 7:09Speaker 6: And the thing is is in this broke electoral college.
- 7:11Speaker 6: And by the way, the Green Party stands for abolishing
- 7:14Speaker 6: the electoral college, okay, And so that hangover from slavery
- 7:18Speaker 6: and bringing in ranked choice voting in all voting systems
- 7:21Speaker 6: so that you're not putting people on opposite sides where
- 7:23Speaker 6: they bang on each other. Right, the real criminal Red
- 7:27Speaker 6: and Blue is not the honorable street organizations like the
- 7:30Speaker 6: Bloods and the Crypts. The real criminal gangs red and
- 7:33Speaker 6: Blue are the Democrats and Republicans, and right now they're
- 7:36Speaker 6: being encouraged to bang on each other in public. If
- 7:40Speaker 6: you have ranked choice voting, then people are going to
- 7:42Speaker 6: be drawn to the middle rather than drawn to extremes.
- 7:44Speaker 6: But let's go back to the question about throwing your
- 7:46Speaker 6: vote away in this electoral college system. All y'all throwing
- 7:50Speaker 6: your votes away because unless you live in one of
- 7:52Speaker 6: them four or five swing states, it has already decided
- 7:55Speaker 6: that your state is going to go either blue or
- 7:57Speaker 6: Red before you ever.
- 7:58Speaker 3: Get into the booth.
- 7:59Speaker 6: So instead of throwing your vote away on team Red
- 8:02Speaker 6: or Team Blue when it don't make no difference in
- 8:04Speaker 6: the state that you in, Why not vote for reparations?
- 8:08Speaker 3: Now? Why not vote for a ceasefire? Now? Why not build.
- 8:12Speaker 6: Power in a green party that is going to give
- 8:14Speaker 6: people an actual, viable third party alternative so that we
- 8:17Speaker 6: can get these thugs on either side of the aisle
- 8:20Speaker 6: to behave like grown folks.
- 8:21Speaker 7: Well, so you raise an interesting point around throwing your
- 8:25Speaker 7: vote away, and there's actually numbers on that, doctor Sin.
- 8:29Speaker 7: You raised over seven point three million dollars for a
- 8:32Speaker 7: recount in twenty sixteen, a recount of votes that probably
- 8:36Speaker 7: actually do matter. In Michigan, for example, you acquired fifty
- 8:41Speaker 7: four hundred and sixty three votes. Of course, Donald Trump
- 8:43Speaker 7: beat Hillary Clinton by ten thousand, seven hundred and four votes,
- 8:47Speaker 7: and she lost by half a percentage point. In Michigan
- 8:49Speaker 7: and Wisconsin, thirty one thousand six votes you acquired. Trump
- 8:54Speaker 7: beat Hillary Clinton by twenty two one hundred and seventy
- 8:57Speaker 7: seven votes. In Pennsylvania forty nine thousand, four hund eighty
- 9:00Speaker 7: five votes, and Donald Trump be her by a little
- 9:02Speaker 7: over sixty seven thousand votes. You engaged in raising money
- 9:06Speaker 7: for a recount because our votes actually do matter. Can
- 9:09Speaker 7: you talk about the results of that recount in those
- 9:11Speaker 7: three states that I just named.
- 9:13Speaker 5: Sure, and let me say that every vote counts, you know,
- 9:17Speaker 5: and we believe because every vote counts. That's why we
- 9:20Speaker 5: don't want the electoral College telling us that some states
- 9:23Speaker 5: matter and others don't. We believe. And in terms of
- 9:26Speaker 5: how we are conducting our campaign, we're in swing states,
- 9:30Speaker 5: we're in red states, we're in blue states. We are
- 9:32Speaker 5: all about building power and really helping to help people
- 9:38Speaker 5: to grab the power that belongs to us. The fallacy
- 9:41Speaker 5: there which is what you know the Democrats in particular
- 9:46Speaker 5: harp on, and it's not true the idea that votes
- 9:52Speaker 5: for Greens came at the expense of votes for Hillary Clinton.
- 9:56Speaker 5: We actually know from in fact from exit poll and
- 10:00Speaker 5: just from talking to people, people who vote for us,
- 10:03Speaker 5: and it's about sixty one percent of everybody who votes
- 10:06Speaker 5: for us would not have come out to vote. So
- 10:08Speaker 5: those votes didn't come from Hillary Clinton, and some of
- 10:11Speaker 5: them actually came from Trump to So if you actually
- 10:14Speaker 5: crunch the numbers, what you see is that the outcome
- 10:18Speaker 5: would not have changed at all. Uh if we weren't
- 10:22Speaker 5: in there. Yes, no, no electoral college vote would have
- 10:25Speaker 5: changed exactly none. If you calculate the fact, sixty percent,
- 10:29Speaker 5: sixty one percent of our votes would not have voted
- 10:32Speaker 5: one bit and of the remaining.
- 10:34Speaker 7: To do that calculation, but the only thing I'd be
- 10:36Speaker 7: glad to share it with you. No, No, I'm not.
- 10:38Speaker 7: Actually I'm a lawyer because I don't do math like that.
- 10:42Speaker 7: We don't really know that. Like, folks come in even
- 10:45Speaker 7: and you all know this too, you right, Folks will
- 10:48Speaker 7: say Ralph.
- 10:49Speaker 5: Vader, who was one of about six third party candidates
- 10:53Speaker 5: in that election, But you don't.
- 10:55Speaker 8: Know what my point was going to be.
- 10:57Speaker 7: He's going to that, Folks will say, and it's happened
- 11:00Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, has happened to Kamla Harris, has happened Donald Trump.
- 11:02Speaker 7: Folks will say in a poll that they were going
- 11:04Speaker 7: to vote or they are going to vote for this person.
- 11:06Speaker 5: That's true. You never know. But we also know that
- 11:10Speaker 5: one out of every three voters did not vote in
- 11:13Speaker 5: the last presidential election in twenty twenty. One out of
- 11:16Speaker 5: every three eligible voters chose not to vote. And who
- 11:19Speaker 5: were they? They were largely disproportionately of color, young, and
- 11:24Speaker 5: low income, exactly the people to whom our agenda speaks.
- 11:28Speaker 5: So you know, a lot about voting is indeterminate, and
- 11:31Speaker 5: it's not going to be predicted by polls because polls,
- 11:34Speaker 5: you know, are by definition people who tend to vote.
- 11:37Speaker 5: But what we're talking to are people who tend not
- 11:40Speaker 5: to vote. Don't they also deserve a vote? And let
- 11:42Speaker 5: me also cite the statistics that show the numbers are
- 11:45Speaker 5: off the charts right now in terms of people who
- 11:48Speaker 5: want other options. This is sampled every year by Gallup
- 11:52Speaker 5: and also by Pew. But Gallup shows that the numbers
- 11:55Speaker 5: now are sixty three percent who are saying that the
- 11:57Speaker 5: two parties, the two parties are doing such a bad
- 12:01Speaker 5: job of serving the public interest that sixty three percent
- 12:05Speaker 5: say we need another option, we need another major party.
- 12:10Speaker 5: So it's like, amidst all this indeterminate stuff, and you're
- 12:14Speaker 5: absolutely right, you can't predict a lot of this. Are
- 12:17Speaker 5: we going to clamp down and say, therefore shut down choices,
- 12:20Speaker 5: therefore shut down options when that's what people are demanding?
- 12:24Speaker 5: Who and why are people demanding it? Because they've been
- 12:26Speaker 5: thrown under the bus for long enough by both parties
- 12:29Speaker 5: and they really want other options. So what we're saying is,
- 12:32Speaker 5: let's give people those other options. If you're concerned about
- 12:35Speaker 5: splitting the vote, so called spoiled elections, there's a solution
- 12:38Speaker 5: for that. It's called ranked choice voting. We have been
- 12:40Speaker 5: pushing that for twenty years and the Democrats keep shutting
- 12:43Speaker 5: it down. Why do they shut it down because they
- 12:45Speaker 5: want to extort your vote. They want to be able
- 12:47Speaker 5: to use fear campaigning and smear campaigning because they don't
- 12:50Speaker 5: want to face the music. Oh, it's hardly a new charge. No,
- 12:54Speaker 5: we can document that.
- 12:55Speaker 3: Another question was addressed to question.
- 12:58Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to say to add a piece
- 12:59Speaker 6: to it. And this has come you know, since like
- 13:04Speaker 6: I joined the campaign, reached out to colleagues. Dahlia Mulgahead
- 13:08Speaker 6: a key researcher at ISPU Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.
- 13:13Speaker 6: So these are publicly available numbers, and this goes to
- 13:16Speaker 6: the heart of the question that you asked about previous elections,
- 13:18Speaker 6: but it's about this upcoming one.
- 13:20Speaker 3: And then it's.
- 13:20Speaker 6: About like where we actually are so key swing states Pennsylvania, Michigan,
- 13:26Speaker 6: and Georgia. Okay, these are all for demographic purposes, essentially
- 13:31Speaker 6: the same state, similar proportion of African Americans, similar proportion
- 13:34Speaker 6: of Muslims. There's little differences in the way that they're comprised,
- 13:39Speaker 6: but specifically for the Muslim and Black populations are these
- 13:41Speaker 6: are very similar states. So in twenty twenty, Joe Biden
- 13:45Speaker 6: received sixty five percent of the Muslim vote in those states,
- 13:48Speaker 6: and Joe Biden would not have won any of those
- 13:50Speaker 6: states without getting that big majority amongst the Muslim vote.
- 13:53Speaker 3: Okay.
- 13:55Speaker 6: January twenty twenty four, twelve percent of the vote according
- 14:02Speaker 6: to polling polling yes, from sixty five percent to twelve percent. Okay,
- 14:06Speaker 6: And the polling says, well, why Gaza, right, So, so
- 14:10Speaker 6: eighty percent of the people that have have bailed said
- 14:12Speaker 6: that Gaza is the reason, even if that's for people
- 14:15Speaker 6: that were Trump voters, that's for people that were Biden voters.
- 14:19Speaker 6: The Muslim community has already been lost and it's not
- 14:22Speaker 6: coming back. And the thing is is that in those
- 14:24Speaker 6: swing states you are never getting the Muslim vote vote back,
- 14:27Speaker 6: which means, in point of fact, if we know this,
- 14:29Speaker 6: then the Democrats have for sure known this. They are
- 14:31Speaker 6: not winning any of those swing states without those Muslim
- 14:34Speaker 6: voting impossible. Dead man walking, bro, Like, I'm serious, it
- 14:38Speaker 6: is a zombie.
- 14:39Speaker 5: Well, there will show. But right now they're looking like, yeah, yeah,
- 14:43Speaker 5: so that's the point.
- 14:45Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So that's what.
- 14:47Speaker 6: They're showing is that it's upwards of seventy percent of
- 14:51Speaker 6: those that are walking away from from the Democratic Party
- 14:54Speaker 6: are walking towards third third party candidates. So in point
- 14:57Speaker 6: of fact, only about five percent eight percent. I'm just
- 15:01Speaker 6: there were two different numbers from two different points in
- 15:03Speaker 6: time that Dahalia had cited, so it was somewhere between
- 15:05Speaker 6: five and ten percent are going towards Trump. It's a
- 15:07Speaker 6: very small number, a very small number are remaining uncommitted.
- 15:10Speaker 6: The overwhelming majority are going third party. And this was
- 15:14Speaker 6: before it became clear right that the Green Party was
- 15:17Speaker 6: going to be the strongest of those three parties. So
- 15:19Speaker 6: then another poll run by the Council on American Islamic
- 15:22Speaker 6: Relations CARE showed just last week that that in the
- 15:26Speaker 6: Muslim community nationwide now now not just talking about those
- 15:29Speaker 6: three swing states, but nationwide had us polling neck and
- 15:32Speaker 6: neck with Kamala Harris. And actually a new poll was
- 15:36Speaker 6: just released that came out this morning. I didn't get
- 15:38Speaker 6: the chance to verify it whether it's a scientific poll
- 15:41Speaker 6: or not, that we're not leading in that race.
- 15:42Speaker 7: You guys are you're saying that you're competing in red
- 15:46Speaker 7: states in battleground states. I'm sorry, y'all, you'll jumping too,
- 15:49Speaker 7: but let's keep going. You know what I'm saying, there
- 15:57Speaker 7: are at least thirteen states where you all are not
- 16:01Speaker 7: like on the ballot or folks would have to write
- 16:03Speaker 7: you in or there it's still contested. You're actively petitioning,
- 16:07Speaker 7: for example, to be on the ballot in Rhode Island.
- 16:09Speaker 7: So in those states where there are also Muslim people
- 16:12Speaker 7: who you're saying you're winning over based on a poll,
- 16:14Speaker 7: that you're going to find the information for what options
- 16:17Speaker 7: do they have? This is if this is a fifty
- 16:19Speaker 7: straight state strategy, y'all are short by thirteen.
- 16:22Speaker 5: So in every state except for three there are three
- 16:27Speaker 5: states that don't allow writ in writing campaigns, but wright
- 16:32Speaker 5: ins are doable campaigns. Joe Biden himself won a write
- 16:36Speaker 5: in in New Hampshire because he was not in the
- 16:39Speaker 5: primary for various Yeah. Right, but even so, even in
- 16:43Speaker 5: a primary, he ran a write in campaign and did fabulous.
- 16:48Speaker 5: So having the ability to do a right and if
- 16:50Speaker 5: the community is really motivated and.
- 16:55Speaker 6: In the overwhelming majority of states, we are actually.
- 16:57Speaker 5: On the way we are. We will be on his
- 17:00Speaker 5: right ends in all the states, with the exception of
- 17:03Speaker 5: I think it's South Dakota.
- 17:06Speaker 8: Indiana, and Oklahoma.
- 17:08Speaker 5: That's right, those three states.
- 17:10Speaker 6: We are on the ballot right ends, yes, go ahead.
- 17:13Speaker 5: Well, so we will be a choice, an anti genocide,
- 17:17Speaker 5: anti war, pro worker, pro reparations, climate emergency choice, and
- 17:22Speaker 5: the only one which has nationwide status. We will be
- 17:27Speaker 5: on the ballot for ninety five percent of voters. That
- 17:30Speaker 5: is more than enough to win an election. But you know,
- 17:33Speaker 5: I don't want to just focus on winning the election.
- 17:36Speaker 5: This is an odd election and I would not rule
- 17:40Speaker 5: out a win, but that's not the only reason to run.
- 17:44Speaker 5: Every vote cast for our campaign is a vote against genocide.
- 17:48Speaker 5: It is a shot across the bow of the endless
- 17:51Speaker 5: war machine to say that we the people are getting organized,
- 17:55Speaker 5: we are moving forward, we are growing. We have organization
- 17:59Speaker 5: and infrastructure that we have never had before. We've never
- 18:02Speaker 5: been able to break through like we are now because
- 18:05Speaker 5: Greens have been ahead of the curve on a lot
- 18:06Speaker 5: of things like climate change, on reparations, on healthcare as
- 18:10Speaker 5: a human right, on housing as a human right, also
- 18:14Speaker 5: on gaza and genocide. We've been very much ahead of
- 18:17Speaker 5: the curve and on cutting the military budget. We're spending
- 18:22Speaker 5: as much as the next ten major military budgets around
- 18:26Speaker 5: the world right now, we're more than all ten of
- 18:28Speaker 5: them put together. We can cut our military budget, which
- 18:31Speaker 5: is not benefiting us here in America, and put those
- 18:35Speaker 5: dollars into what we critically need right here and right now.
- 18:39Speaker 5: We should have. We need to be raising the floor
- 18:42Speaker 5: for schools across the country. Why should this quality of
- 18:45Speaker 5: your school depend on luxury housing in your community? Housing
- 18:50Speaker 5: should schools should not depend only on property taxes from housing.
- 18:55Speaker 5: The federal government should be in the business of raising
- 18:58Speaker 5: the floor so that we have a common standard across
- 19:00Speaker 5: the country, so regardless of your zip code, you have good,
- 19:04Speaker 5: high quality education where you're starting out. Things like that
- 19:07Speaker 5: is where we need to be spending our money, not
- 19:10Speaker 5: on endless war, on genocide, on killing children, on massacring
- 19:15Speaker 5: women and children every day. You know, the police violence
- 19:19Speaker 5: in this country. We don't need that police violence, and
- 19:22Speaker 5: there are alternatives to that they can actually move us forward.
- 19:25Speaker 2: Yeah, go, we're a candidate in twenty twelve, twenty sixteen,
- 19:29Speaker 2: what's the difference in twenty twenty four, Oh.
- 19:31Speaker 5: Man, it's the difference between night and day. You know.
- 19:34Speaker 5: It's the thing about being ahead of the curve and
- 19:36Speaker 5: then the curve catches up to you. Curve is catching
- 19:38Speaker 5: up to us on all the things. Really our agenda,
- 19:41Speaker 5: in fact, the agenda that we've been putting forward since
- 19:44Speaker 5: twenty twelve really is the progressive democratic agenda right now.
- 19:48Speaker 5: Healthcare is a human right, housing is a human right.
- 19:51Speaker 5: Reparations to the extent that they give it lip service
- 19:53Speaker 5: to the Green New Deal.
- 19:55Speaker 8: Yeah, you want to if you're not planning to win
- 19:58Speaker 8: an election.
- 19:59Speaker 3: We said we wasn't planning.
- 20:00Speaker 8: I'm saying it's not the only understand candidate. To hear
- 20:07Speaker 8: that from a candidate, it kind of gives like, well.
- 20:09Speaker 1: Why are you here? Then it does sound.
- 20:11Speaker 6: Like may I go in on this please? Because I
- 20:15Speaker 6: would not have joined this campaign. I would not have
- 20:17Speaker 6: come out of like, you know, prestigious position in the
- 20:20Speaker 6: academy and organizing if I didn't think that we had
- 20:23Speaker 6: a chance to win this fight. Look, I'm converted to
- 20:25Speaker 6: Islam after reading the autobiography of Malcolm X at age fifteen.
- 20:29Speaker 6: Malcolm brought me into knowledge of self, brought me to Islam.
- 20:32Speaker 6: School me on the black radical tradition. I've been teaching
- 20:35Speaker 6: and building this community. I speak fluent Waloff, lived in
- 20:37Speaker 6: West Africa for years. I got a good life and
- 20:40Speaker 6: I'm not coming out of that in order to play
- 20:43Speaker 6: no spoiler. So I was raising that Black Muslim tradition,
- 20:46Speaker 6: and just like Muhammad Ali, I came in because I
- 20:48Speaker 6: believe we have a chance to shock the world. And
- 20:50Speaker 6: I know that the deck is stacked against us. But
- 20:53Speaker 6: this right here is part of our strategy, right because
- 20:55Speaker 6: what happens is is that when people hear this agenda
- 20:57Speaker 6: and understand that we're talking about erasing the generational wealth
- 21:01Speaker 6: gap now right, having a bunch of black Wall Streets
- 21:05Speaker 6: and new Tulsas that we can establish now, not another
- 21:08Speaker 6: one hundred years. Not going with your hands out to
- 21:11Speaker 6: the Democrats, like Malcolm said, where they, you know, treat
- 21:13Speaker 6: you like a political chump. You put them first, they
- 21:16Speaker 6: put you last. As Malcolm said, we erase that in
- 21:19Speaker 6: this generation we build black businesses, Black Wall Street and
- 21:21Speaker 6: they can't burn it down this time. So by appearing
- 21:25Speaker 6: in a form like this, what is going to happen
- 21:27Speaker 6: is we're going to get on a debate stage and
- 21:29Speaker 6: when this woman goes up on the debate state exactly, well,
- 21:32Speaker 6: who knows. But the point is that as soon as
- 21:34Speaker 6: we are in the mainstream media conversation exactly we have
- 21:37Speaker 6: a watch party tonight, we.
- 21:38Speaker 8: Have a response. We will be doing a response meet
- 21:41Speaker 8: qualifications for.
- 21:42Speaker 5: The correct qualifications established by an exclusionary framework. His goal
- 21:49Speaker 5: is to silence and throw off the ballots for voters.
- 21:55Speaker 8: Threshold for you to be pulling it at least fifteen percent.
- 21:57Speaker 5: Well before that, there wasn't a fifteen percent threshold when
- 22:00Speaker 5: this was run, when it was run by the League
- 22:03Speaker 5: of Women Voters, before it was hijacked by the private
- 22:07Speaker 5: corporations of the Democratic and Republican parties, before they were
- 22:10Speaker 5: in charge. It was whether or not you actually were
- 22:13Speaker 5: going to be a choice for enough voters across the
- 22:16Speaker 5: country that you could potentially win the election. So we
- 22:19Speaker 5: have satisfied that criterion, the basic criteria I mean as
- 22:23Speaker 5: a voter, because polls are self fulfilling, they are self
- 22:26Speaker 5: fulfilling prophecies. If you're in the poll, as determined by
- 22:29Speaker 5: whatever you know, private polling agency, If you are in
- 22:33Speaker 5: the polls, people are going to know about you. If
- 22:34Speaker 5: you're not even being polled people want, they don't.
- 22:37Speaker 6: They do not predict outcomes, they produce them.
- 22:39Speaker 5: And if people are saying, if people are screaming for
- 22:42Speaker 5: other choices, don't they have a right to hear those
- 22:45Speaker 5: other choices?
- 22:45Speaker 8: I think they do.
- 22:46Speaker 7: But I think that what you what you have are
- 22:48Speaker 7: people that need a certain level of validity to the campaign.
- 22:52Speaker 7: I will you will not hear Donald Trump or Kamala
- 22:55Speaker 7: Harris tonight on this debate stage saying hey, it's not
- 22:58Speaker 7: just about us winning.
- 22:59Speaker 8: Winning is everything.
- 23:00Speaker 7: And even if we even if we want to say, hey,
- 23:02Speaker 7: this shouldn't be a binary choice. I grew up also
- 23:05Speaker 7: by raised by an activists. My dad brought home the
- 23:08Speaker 7: you know the picture of all of the parties in
- 23:10Speaker 7: South Africa. Multi party democracy is great. That's how we have.
- 23:14Speaker 8: We have a binary choice between.
- 23:17Speaker 5: But the American is in the constitution, the American people.
- 23:20Speaker 5: The American people don't want that. The American people are
- 23:23Speaker 5: explicitly on records in absolutely unprecedented numbers saying we want
- 23:29Speaker 5: other choices. And not only do people want their choices,
- 23:31Speaker 5: they want to their choices.
- 23:33Speaker 1: I do I do believe in the third party.
- 23:34Speaker 4: I think we need other options, but it does seem
- 23:36Speaker 4: like you all have a lot more smoke for the
- 23:39Speaker 4: Democratic Party.
- 23:40Speaker 1: I just wonder why.
- 23:41Speaker 6: Yeah, So if I if I can aicular point so
- 23:44Speaker 6: so to to kind of finish the previous one, I
- 23:47Speaker 6: absolutely would not be in this race. If I didn't
- 23:48Speaker 6: think that we had a chance to win, I wouldn't
- 23:50Speaker 6: waste alls time and I wouldn't waste my own time.
- 23:52Speaker 3: So that's that's that's number one.
- 23:53Speaker 6: We have had to up until this point in time
- 23:56Speaker 6: target the Democrats specifically because they're the ones that are
- 23:59Speaker 6: suing to keep us off the ballot. They're the ones
- 24:01Speaker 6: that are trying to knock us off the ballot in Georgia.
- 24:02Speaker 6: They are the ones that are doing everything they can
- 24:05Speaker 6: to keep us from coming. If we were not a
- 24:07Speaker 6: problem for them, AOC wouldn't be, you know, doing her
- 24:09Speaker 6: a little sorry attack ads, you know against us.
- 24:11Speaker 3: You know that we.
- 24:12Speaker 6: Came back at so so the Democrats are attacking us.
- 24:15Speaker 6: We're responding in kind. Just to be plain about this.
- 24:18Speaker 6: The reason why they don't want doctor Joe Stein on
- 24:21Speaker 6: a debate stage is because she will be able to
- 24:22Speaker 6: look at Team Read and say this is a party
- 24:25Speaker 6: that is led by domestic terrorists and a criminal, okay,
- 24:28Speaker 6: try to overthrow the government on January sixth, and is
- 24:32Speaker 6: convicted of numerous crimes, including sexual abuse that that that
- 24:37Speaker 6: amounts to rape and so forth. So this man is
- 24:39Speaker 6: a domestic terrorist and a criminal.
- 24:41Speaker 3: Okay.
- 24:42Speaker 6: She can look to Kamala Harris and sorry, hold on, no, no,
- 24:48Speaker 6: it's honest to God, no disrespect to be to be
- 24:50Speaker 6: to be perfectly honest. It's just the way that I
- 24:52Speaker 6: had gotten used to pronouncing the name because it resembles
- 24:54Speaker 6: a name that is used in West Africa.
- 24:57Speaker 8: Getting it right though, yeah, you have to.
- 25:01Speaker 6: The other Absolutely, I will not make that mistake again.
- 25:05Speaker 6: I'm big men get jumped by black hold on it
- 25:08Speaker 6: not me, listen, richly deserved. And if I act a
- 25:17Speaker 6: full check my black ass, that's fine, Like no joke,
- 25:20Speaker 6: Like I expect to be held accountable by my people,
- 25:23Speaker 6: whether those are black folk or Muslims.
- 25:25Speaker 3: So that is all love and it does all welcome.
- 25:27Speaker 6: You're not gonna get no pushback from me on that.
- 25:30Speaker 3: So where was I?
- 25:31Speaker 6: She will turn to Kamala okay and be able to
- 25:34Speaker 6: say this person is actually a war criminal. In the
- 25:37Speaker 6: following respect, the ic C and CJ have made rulings
- 25:42Speaker 6: that the Zionist entity, the state of Israel, is an
- 25:45Speaker 6: illegal apartheid state, okay, conducting an illegal genocide in the
- 25:50Speaker 6: midst of an illegal occupation, and that anyone that provides
- 25:54Speaker 6: material support to those things is actually complicit in war crimes.
- 25:58Speaker 6: So you will say that there's a domestic terrorist on
- 26:01Speaker 6: team Red and a war criminal on team blue. One
- 26:05Speaker 6: party on this stage is not led by a criminal.
- 26:08Speaker 6: One party on this stage wants to restore power to
- 26:10Speaker 6: the American people, give a viable third party alternative. And
- 26:13Speaker 6: just to return to the point, yes, I do want
- 26:15Speaker 6: that shot at their chin, and I'm coming for Trump,
- 26:18Speaker 6: Like I've already got my game plan laid out for Trump.
- 26:20Speaker 3: You know, Trump thinks he can do nicknames.
- 26:22Speaker 6: I already tagged Aoci Pelosi, right, and and the reels
- 26:26Speaker 6: have already started with that.
- 26:27Speaker 3: So I'm coming for Trump.
- 26:29Speaker 6: But the reality is is that we have had to
- 26:30Speaker 6: get the Democrats out of the way because they're trying
- 26:32Speaker 6: to keep us off of ballots.
- 26:34Speaker 9: Yes, when you talk about AOC though, and it sounds
- 26:38Speaker 9: like you have issues with her, right, Yeah, her whole
- 26:40Speaker 9: thing is, like you guys, according to what she's saying,
- 26:42Speaker 9: that it doesn't add city council seats, state electives.
- 26:46Speaker 5: She's round balland she's wrong.
- 26:47Speaker 8: Fifteen Yeah, because well how important because here for the.
- 26:54Speaker 5: People, that we're not growing, we're not running for lower office,
- 26:58Speaker 5: and that we disappear except four years we come out
- 27:01Speaker 5: for president. Those were her claims, and they are absolutely
- 27:03Speaker 5: false and misleading. She should know better because she was
- 27:06Speaker 5: actually campaigning in twenty seventeen. She ought to know better. No,
- 27:11Speaker 5: what she talked about was the Working Families Party, but
- 27:13Speaker 5: that is not a third party. It is a second
- 27:16Speaker 5: What she mentioned was the Working Families Party, her third party,
- 27:19Speaker 5: and what that does, that is a second ballot line.
- 27:23Speaker 5: It's not a third party. It's a second ballot line
- 27:25Speaker 5: for the Democrats, and it runs people who are already
- 27:27Speaker 5: Democrats or they're independent on their way to becoming Democrats.
- 27:31Speaker 5: And the main thing about Working Families versus true independent,
- 27:37Speaker 5: non corporate political grassroots parties. We are under attack by
- 27:42Speaker 5: the Democrats in particular, and that's what you know. It's
- 27:44Speaker 5: the Democrats. It's not the Republican It is the Democrats
- 27:47Speaker 5: who bragged starting back in March that they now had
- 27:50Speaker 5: an army of lawyers to basically exercise law fare, looking
- 27:54Speaker 5: for trivial details where they could do a gotcha and
- 27:58Speaker 5: get us thrown off the ballot, violating this spirit of
- 28:00Speaker 5: the law UH to basically eliminate their competition. They have
- 28:04Speaker 5: also advertised publicly for infiltrators and spies to mess up
- 28:09Speaker 5: our ballot drives. And they also hijacked our public funding
- 28:13Speaker 5: three hundred thousand dollars. I know it's not a lot
- 28:16Speaker 5: in the scheme of what Democrats and Republicans run on,
- 28:18Speaker 5: but we're at grassroots, people powered, low budget part party
- 28:22Speaker 5: that public funding meant a lot, and that's that's part
- 28:25Speaker 5: of the reason why we're not on in three in
- 28:27Speaker 5: three states.
- 28:27Speaker 1: I just have a question, and I would want all
- 28:29Speaker 1: y'all to chime in on this.
- 28:31Speaker 4: Is it fair to call the vice president a war
- 28:33Speaker 4: criminal when she's actively calling for an end to the
- 28:36Speaker 4: war on God and she's just the vice president?
- 28:38Speaker 5: Well, it's lip service, you know. I mean, she could
- 28:40Speaker 5: what would say?
- 28:41Speaker 6: I can't believe what you say because I see what
- 28:43Speaker 6: you do. You have the power to influence policy.
- 28:45Speaker 8: Now, I mean, did you speak out?
- 28:49Speaker 5: She could speak out? No, she's what she speaks out
- 28:53Speaker 5: in the same way that.
- 28:54Speaker 3: That Palestinians on the stage talk about not a single
- 28:57Speaker 3: one where they held them off.
- 28:59Speaker 6: They ordering them like animals and Gaza and then they
- 29:01Speaker 6: muzzle them like animals.
- 29:03Speaker 5: At the Democrats, even when they are faithful supporters at
- 29:06Speaker 5: the party and of their candidates, they still would not
- 29:08Speaker 5: allow a single Palestinian to get up and talk about
- 29:12Speaker 5: just to humanized Palestinian, it means nothing to call when
- 29:17Speaker 5: Biden is already doing that. He's already doing that. And
- 29:20Speaker 5: uh Kamala Harris, you know, spoke a little more from
- 29:24Speaker 5: the heart about the plight of the Palestinians, but not
- 29:28Speaker 5: any different whatsoever about what to do. Basically, she said that,
- 29:31Speaker 5: you know, our support for Israel is undying. It's uh,
- 29:35Speaker 5: you know, it's an absolute We will stand by Israel
- 29:38Speaker 5: no matter what come.
- 29:39Speaker 6: Hell or h parties are bought and paid for by
- 29:42Speaker 6: Apak in the war machine.
- 29:43Speaker 3: So that that that that's the thing there.
- 29:45Speaker 6: Their souls are folded on tiny little pieces of paper
- 29:49Speaker 6: that are buried deep in the pockets of raytheon Lackey Martin, I'm.
- 29:53Speaker 3: Not I'm not even I'm not even playing with you.
- 29:55Speaker 6: And let me just say this because because I don't
- 29:56Speaker 6: know I'm gonna get the chance to say this in another.
- 29:58Speaker 3: Venue where will matter this much.
- 30:00Speaker 6: As a historian of anti slavery resistance movements in West
- 30:05Speaker 6: Africa and the diaspora, as a historian of the black
- 30:08Speaker 6: resistance tradition in continental as well as the asperg Africa,
- 30:12Speaker 6: I am personally offended by the way that blackness is
- 30:16Speaker 6: being weaponized in this electoral cycle in order to justify
- 30:20Speaker 6: white supremacist genocide in Gaza. Okayolm so Malcolm X my
- 30:27Speaker 6: mentor and I didn't meet him, but the bread the
- 30:29Speaker 6: Autobiography of Malcolm X. Malcolm said of Zionism of the
- 30:34Speaker 6: Zionist state, the Israeli state, he said that this is
- 30:37Speaker 6: a white Jewish population, Ashkenazi population being given power by
- 30:41Speaker 6: white imperialists to remove brown Arabs from their land. He said, so, therefore,
- 30:47Speaker 6: Zionism is white supremacy. In nineteen seventy nine open Letters
- 30:50Speaker 6: to the Born Again James Baldwin said the same thing.
- 30:52Speaker 6: He said, the state of Israel was not created for
- 30:55Speaker 6: the salvation of the Jews. It was created for the
- 30:56Speaker 6: salvation of Western interests. Okay, so when you go through
- 31:01Speaker 6: Kwame Toure Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Tony Morris, and Angela Davis, Assadashakord.
- 31:08Speaker 6: These are all people that cited the Palestinian resistance. Will
- 31:12Speaker 6: not even to bring in the Africans, right, not to
- 31:14Speaker 6: mention Nelson Mandela, Not to mention Thomas Sunkarr, who talked
- 31:16Speaker 6: about Zionism as being the face of imperialism in the
- 31:19Speaker 6: Middle East. Right, this is what the black radical tradition
- 31:22Speaker 6: taught me. And the Black radical tradition taught me that
- 31:25Speaker 6: if we weaponize our blackness in favor of white supremacy,
- 31:28Speaker 6: then we become apostates from blackness itself, because blackness.
- 31:32Speaker 3: Is not a race.
- 31:33Speaker 6: It is an oppositional ideology to white supremacy. I'm a
- 31:36Speaker 6: historian of Africa by training. Never before in human history
- 31:41Speaker 6: had people speaking hundreds of different languages made themselves into one.
- 31:46Speaker 6: People developed the comic culture so that you and I
- 31:49Speaker 6: can relate to one another. You and I can relate
- 31:51Speaker 6: to one another on the basis of.
- 31:53Speaker 3: A shared culture.
- 31:54Speaker 6: And we got our Latin and Caribbean brothers and sisters,
- 31:56Speaker 6: you know, especially Puerto Rican's and Dominicans. But hey, but
- 31:58Speaker 6: also you know more broad, right, that's sharing that.
- 32:01Speaker 3: Culture, that is a miracle.
- 32:03Speaker 6: It's never happened before in human history. Because what happened
- 32:06Speaker 6: is is that an oppositional identity to white supremacy came
- 32:10Speaker 6: into being, and.
- 32:11Speaker 3: That is us.
- 32:12Speaker 6: And and when I see that identity now being weaponized
- 32:17Speaker 6: to justify the most heinous genocide in our time, Like
- 32:22Speaker 6: Harriet Tubman is rolling over in her grave right now,
- 32:25Speaker 6: sojourn her truth is rolling over in her grave right now.
- 32:28Speaker 6: Bill Hooks is rolling over in her grave right now.
- 32:31Speaker 3: Who did I miss?
- 32:33Speaker 6: Do you know what I'm saying, The idea that we
- 32:35Speaker 6: would weaponize something as sacred as black womanhood and then
- 32:38Speaker 6: utilize this to justify.
- 32:40Speaker 8: Blowing you know you.
- 32:44Speaker 3: Hear what I'm saying, period.
- 32:45Speaker 9: Because I want to make sure I clarify before I
- 32:47Speaker 9: response to it, is that because Kamala is a black woman,
- 32:50Speaker 9: and she's running as a black woman, and she's not
- 32:53Speaker 9: speaking out against things that you want her to, she's
- 32:56Speaker 9: using her black womanhood to.
- 32:58Speaker 1: Know I think.
- 32:59Speaker 6: So what I've saw is I saw a lot of
- 33:03Speaker 6: black abolitionists of both sexes, of all of all of
- 33:06Speaker 6: all gender identities. I saw a lot of black abolitionists
- 33:10Speaker 6: going hard in the paint at Joe Biden right, And
- 33:13Speaker 6: then as soon as Kamala was at the top of
- 33:15Speaker 6: the ticket, radio silence. All of a sudden, people that
- 33:18Speaker 6: you could count on that were solid through and through
- 33:20Speaker 6: as abolitionists suddenly become apologists for empire.
- 33:24Speaker 8: And thought about why?
- 33:25Speaker 3: Yes, of course I thought about that.
- 33:27Speaker 8: Why is that?
- 33:28Speaker 6: The reason is is that we have this aspirational hope
- 33:31Speaker 6: that is related to like black achievement and black power
- 33:34Speaker 6: and black excellence, and it was weaponized in the Obama presidency.
- 33:37Speaker 3: But let's so let me Can.
- 33:39Speaker 8: It be something else?
- 33:40Speaker 3: Could be?
- 33:41Speaker 8: Could it be I know her?
- 33:42Speaker 3: Yes?
- 33:42Speaker 7: Could it be that she is someone who listens to
- 33:45Speaker 7: voices on all sides. Could it be that when the opportunity,
- 33:48Speaker 7: you could turn your head, but I've been no, no, no,
- 33:51Speaker 7: you could turn your head. But I've been in the room, doctor,
- 33:55Speaker 7: I was.
- 33:55Speaker 8: I was.
- 33:58Speaker 6: I was actually not turning my back. I was looking
- 34:00Speaker 6: to see what this respond with.
- 34:01Speaker 1: The response on the other side of the room is
- 34:03Speaker 1: over here engaged.
- 34:04Speaker 6: Because I can't I can't see if I can't see
- 34:06Speaker 6: the people there behind me, No, dis.
- 34:09Speaker 4: We're all having healthy conversation, but nobody against anybody.
- 34:13Speaker 1: I never turn my back on Angela ever again.
- 34:19Speaker 10: The last thing that the last making me an enemy
- 34:26Speaker 10: conversation because it's the strategy, because I knew you was
- 34:31Speaker 10: kind of getting your way to this, and it's very
- 34:33Speaker 10: disappointed to see you do that and get.
- 34:38Speaker 3: What are we missing?
- 34:41Speaker 1: Pad?
- 34:43Speaker 3: I would definitely like to hear.
- 34:44Speaker 8: Could it be you're getting little nervous?
- 34:46Speaker 1: I understand happened to me all the time.
- 34:49Speaker 3: I just had to.
- 34:54Speaker 1: Okay, I can't you know, you don't need to you
- 34:57Speaker 1: don't need.
- 34:57Speaker 8: To be protected from me.
- 34:58Speaker 7: My words are not weapons, and actually is just really
- 35:01Speaker 7: to dispel some of the myths. I think that since
- 35:03Speaker 7: you all believe in polls a lot more than I do,
- 35:05Speaker 7: there are a lot of folks that are saying that
- 35:07Speaker 7: they still are trying to get to know Kamala Harris
- 35:09Speaker 7: even clearly how to pronounce, pronunciate her name, pronounce her name.
- 35:12Speaker 7: So what I would say is it could be that
- 35:15Speaker 7: they've seen an opportunity for for negotiation, for hearing another perspective.
- 35:24Speaker 8: I've been in the rooms with her on.
- 35:25Speaker 7: Justice reform issues and others helped to convene those rooms
- 35:28Speaker 7: where she's been more open. Because what we do know
- 35:31Speaker 7: about how politics works is that it can't just be
- 35:35Speaker 7: this wish agenda. I love a lot of what you
- 35:37Speaker 7: all have on your agenda. I'll call it after seven
- 35:39Speaker 7: ready or not, agen, I'll give you the sun, the rain,
- 35:41Speaker 7: the moon starts mountain.
- 35:42Speaker 6: But there's really way who called it a wish list? Mean,
- 35:46Speaker 6: the same people that spend a trillion dollars of y'all's
- 35:49Speaker 6: money blowing up other people's kids are saying it's a
- 35:51Speaker 6: wish list to have an actual social program.
- 35:53Speaker 7: I think I think that it's not propaganda. I'm saying
- 35:57Speaker 7: it because it's I've worked on Capitol Hill. It's very
- 35:59Speaker 7: difficult to get what you're trying to achieve. So just
- 36:01Speaker 7: for example, Jill.
- 36:03Speaker 6: Can talk about what you can do just from the
- 36:05Speaker 6: executive authorware.
- 36:06Speaker 8: Yes, maam, thank you.
- 36:07Speaker 7: Just for an example, I'd love to know how many members,
- 36:10Speaker 7: how many voting members in the United States House Representatives.
- 36:14Speaker 5: So we have been blocked the Democrats, the ballot memory
- 36:20Speaker 5: interfere They put spies and infiltrators on our campaign.
- 36:23Speaker 8: How many voting members compare us?
- 36:26Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, no answer the question how many voting
- 36:29Speaker 7: members in the United States House of Representatives Republican, Democrat
- 36:33Speaker 7: and Independent?
- 36:34Speaker 8: How many total?
- 36:35Speaker 5: How many total are there?
- 36:36Speaker 3: What is it?
- 36:37Speaker 5: Six hundred some?
- 36:39Speaker 6: No?
- 36:39Speaker 8: No, it's four hundred and thirty.
- 36:40Speaker 5: Five plus one hundred in the Senate, right.
- 36:42Speaker 7: One hundred, yes, I said House representatives, one hundred in
- 36:46Speaker 7: the Senate. Of those four hundred and thirty five in
- 36:48Speaker 7: the House of the one hundred and how many just
- 36:51Speaker 7: one moment.
- 36:52Speaker 8: I'm not trying to put you on the defense.
- 36:54Speaker 7: I'm just saying this because the hell is my passion,
- 36:56Speaker 7: that's where I grew up as a professional.
- 36:58Speaker 8: Right, how many of them are Green Party members?
- 37:01Speaker 5: Okay, I know where you're going to show that the
- 37:05Speaker 5: Greens are powerless. I want to make the point, Well,
- 37:09Speaker 5: this is usually this is usually part of that argument
- 37:14Speaker 5: you're trying to make.
- 37:14Speaker 1: What was the point I'm going before you rebutted, doctor Stein?
- 37:17Speaker 3: What was the point?
- 37:18Speaker 8: I want to know?
- 37:18Speaker 7: How many voting members of the Green Party in the
- 37:21Speaker 7: House of the Senate currently exists?
- 37:24Speaker 5: Currently? There are none. However, if you look at the
- 37:27Speaker 5: American people, you know how many are voting against the
- 37:30Speaker 5: genocide hardly any how many are voting for healthcare as
- 37:34Speaker 5: a human right, which would actually save US half a
- 37:36Speaker 5: trillion dollars a year. We the people are not represented
- 37:40Speaker 5: so not being there is not a strike against the Green.
- 37:44Speaker 8: Party, Okay, and that's fine.
- 37:46Speaker 7: How many of them right now based on and I
- 37:48Speaker 7: caught it a wishless It wasn't to be offensive?
- 37:50Speaker 8: Is I have a wishness? Is wanted an ideal?
- 37:52Speaker 3: Man?
- 37:58Speaker 7: What I'm saying is it's not dismissive here my heart right,
- 38:02Speaker 7: but your hearts mispronouncing of commonly hear my heart of
- 38:07Speaker 7: because there are none that currently exists. That means you
- 38:09Speaker 7: got to have allies. Oh are your allies in the House.
- 38:12Speaker 3: And City health. See if y'all.
- 38:14Speaker 7: Would have just slowed down a minute, y'all had guns conversation, right,
- 38:20Speaker 7: we try to We got to do basic, but how
- 38:25Speaker 7: many how many before the allies, some of your allies
- 38:28Speaker 7: in the House and the Senate that would help to
- 38:30Speaker 7: get this very aggressive agenda done.
- 38:33Speaker 5: So let me tell you how the agenda would get done.
- 38:35Speaker 5: For one thing, we need yess, yes, talk about that.
- 38:42Speaker 5: So what I want to speak to specifically is town
- 38:45Speaker 5: hall meetings, which used to require representatives to meet their districts.
- 38:50Speaker 5: They don't do that anymore. They meet with their donors, well,
- 38:53Speaker 5: they largely meet with their donors. They're meeting with their
- 38:55Speaker 5: donors like ninety percent of their waking time. They're hardly
- 38:59Speaker 5: ever going to town hall meetings. I mean, we've been
- 39:01Speaker 5: out there on the campaign trail, and when we mentioned this,
- 39:03Speaker 5: we get nods all around the room, especially from the
- 39:06Speaker 5: opponents of genocide, or from those who are demanding healthcare
- 39:11Speaker 5: as a human right, or from those who want rent
- 39:13Speaker 5: control across the country so that we can actually have
- 39:16Speaker 5: you know, have secure housing in this country. There are
- 39:19Speaker 5: so many things that the American people are demanding, but
- 39:23Speaker 5: our elected officials are accountable to their donors. So you
- 39:27Speaker 5: have a you have got to catch twenty two here.
- 39:30Speaker 5: You have a very difficult system to change. How do
- 39:33Speaker 5: you change it? You know, and it only changes in
- 39:34Speaker 5: a crisis. When did the third party come along? That is,
- 39:38Speaker 5: it was the Republican Party, you know, which was the
- 39:41Speaker 5: abolitionist party. It entered into the scene, you know, basically
- 39:44Speaker 5: right before the Civil War, and they had been preparing
- 39:47Speaker 5: for it running, you know, and before the Republicans, there
- 39:50Speaker 5: were other anti other abolitionist parties. But it's a long
- 39:54Speaker 5: road to get there, and you have to work to
- 39:56Speaker 5: get there, and you know, and then suddenly they burst
- 39:59Speaker 5: on the scene. When the time was right and right now,
- 40:03Speaker 5: we know that the American people are clamoring for other options,
- 40:06Speaker 5: the other options, like namely US, we are the major
- 40:09Speaker 5: option on the ballot across the country. We are being
- 40:12Speaker 5: denied airtime, We're being censored, we're being silenced, We're being
- 40:17Speaker 5: canceled effectively, very much by an explicit plan through the
- 40:21Speaker 5: Democratic Party, which they've actually been explicit about.
- 40:24Speaker 7: I understand that, and you've and you've repeated that today,
- 40:27Speaker 7: doctor Stein. What I'm trying to say is with the
- 40:30Speaker 7: like the very aggressive agenda you have, I said to
- 40:32Speaker 7: you all with a lot of what you have there,
- 40:35Speaker 7: what I'm talking about is as a political strategy is.
- 40:37Speaker 5: Let me tell you on day one, let me tell
- 40:41Speaker 5: you on day one, on day one, we stop the genocide. Okay,
- 40:45Speaker 5: there's a lot of lies, so there's a lot that
- 40:47Speaker 5: they but I can't get answer your question. However, denies
- 40:54Speaker 5: the power that the president has as the executive The
- 40:58Speaker 5: president has a fair amount of executive authority to actually
- 41:02Speaker 5: begin the process. So that process begins with stopping the
- 41:05Speaker 5: genocide on day one, which happens with a phone call.
- 41:08Speaker 5: It's happened before. This absolutely will happen, especially if we
- 41:12Speaker 5: invoke the weapons and barberent on issues where you have
- 41:17Speaker 5: executive authority. What you need our allies among the people,
- 41:21Speaker 5: But you don't need the boats in Congress for much
- 41:23Speaker 5: of this agenda. To declare and a climate emergency, which
- 41:27Speaker 5: we have. The Colorado River is about to shut down.
- 41:29Speaker 5: We got people dying from heat, from inadequate food supply.
- 41:33Speaker 5: People can't afford their food. Yet the major source of
- 41:36Speaker 5: food in the US is in deep trouble right now.
- 41:40Speaker 5: The Colorado River is within one to two years of
- 41:42Speaker 5: shutting down. That supplies the California agriculture system. Its drought. Yeah,
- 41:48Speaker 5: it cannot get into the system. It can no longer
- 41:51Speaker 5: get through the outlets coming out of Lake need which
- 41:55Speaker 5: is where you have this big reservoir. It's almost too
- 41:57Speaker 5: low to make it into the irrigation system to reach
- 42:01Speaker 5: many states, but especially California agriculture, which supplies half of
- 42:05Speaker 5: the fruits and vegetables for the US. So you think
- 42:08Speaker 5: food prices are bad right now, just wait a year
- 42:11Speaker 5: or two. They're going to be in real trouble. So
- 42:13Speaker 5: we would declare a climate emergency, which there absolutely is
- 42:17Speaker 5: right now, And we just had over one hundred days
- 42:19Speaker 5: of over one hundred degree weather in Phoenix. You know,
- 42:22Speaker 5: we got weather conditions that have never happened before. We're
- 42:25Speaker 5: in serious jeopardy, not to mention the storms and drought
- 42:29Speaker 5: and the trouble for farmers and all that. So we
- 42:33Speaker 5: declare the climate emergency, and that immediately triggers the release
- 42:37Speaker 5: of over half a trillion dollars every year in emergency
- 42:40Speaker 5: funding to begin creating that Green New Deal that is
- 42:44Speaker 5: an emergency jobs program so no worker is left behind.
- 42:49Speaker 3: Yes, it could do that right now.
- 42:51Speaker 6: That could happen right now, And if I had just
- 42:52Speaker 6: had something that that are our brilliant and talented campaign manager,
- 42:56Speaker 6: Jason Call who happens to be in the room with us,
- 42:58Speaker 6: I don't know if the.
- 42:58Speaker 3: Cameras want to pad to him.
- 43:00Speaker 6: So so when we were having this conversation last night,
- 43:02Speaker 6: after after you know, a similarly robust conversation with with
- 43:06Speaker 6: with Mehdi Hassan, the we made the point and Jason
- 43:10Speaker 6: was the one that brought this into the conversation that
- 43:12Speaker 6: if we do land that knockout punch that Muhammad Ali
- 43:15Speaker 6: versus Sunny listed knockout punch, and we managed to get
- 43:18Speaker 6: thirty four percent of the electoral college votes in this country, right,
- 43:22Speaker 6: and we go from the.
- 43:23Speaker 5: Far four percent of the of the vote the actual actual,
- 43:29Speaker 5: which translated majority and the electoral college college.
- 43:33Speaker 6: Thank you for correcting the historian, because we've got a
- 43:37Speaker 6: brilliant policy mind here and I'm still new to this
- 43:39Speaker 6: and happy to be corrected by you know, by both family,
- 43:43Speaker 6: you know, and and new family, and yes, exactly. So
- 43:46Speaker 6: the point is, though, is that if we move from
- 43:48Speaker 6: that five percent, you know that that that we feel
- 43:51Speaker 6: is basically assured at this point in time, that will
- 43:53Speaker 6: lead to ten million in federal funding to run the
- 43:55Speaker 6: next election, so that we're not chasing, you know, behind.
- 43:58Speaker 3: If we have moved to the point.
- 44:00Speaker 6: Where Jill is able to make that phone call that
- 44:02Speaker 6: we've moved from that five percent to that thirty four percent,
- 44:04Speaker 6: that will mean that there is a profound mandate that
- 44:07Speaker 6: comes from the American people with that office.
- 44:10Speaker 3: That means that, yes, you might have these you.
- 44:12Speaker 6: Know, intransigent, entrenched positions on both Teams Blue and Team Red,
- 44:17Speaker 6: but what it will mean is that they will have
- 44:19Speaker 6: to respond in a different way to Team Green if
- 44:22Speaker 6: we have that kind of popular mandate. And that's why
- 44:24Speaker 6: we're trying to take the case to the American people.
- 44:26Speaker 6: We might fall short in making that case. They may
- 44:29Speaker 6: never show us their chance to where we get to
- 44:30Speaker 6: throw that knockout punch. But in the meantime, we are
- 44:32Speaker 6: able to consolidate power that can be utilized in the
- 44:35Speaker 6: next electoral cycle and in subsequent electoral cycles to give
- 44:38Speaker 6: the American people a genuine choice rather than just the
- 44:41Speaker 6: two gangbangers.
- 44:42Speaker 4: So when you talk about a third the democracy, you know,
- 44:44Speaker 4: like Donald Trump is right, we can all agree, yes, yes, absolutely,
- 44:48Speaker 4: What if because of y'all, you know, he ended up
- 44:51Speaker 4: winning and then there is no more democracy for y'all
- 44:53Speaker 4: even have a chance to be a threat?
- 44:55Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and it's a good question, so get asked.
- 44:58Speaker 8: Yes.
- 44:58Speaker 5: I mean Trump is out front, you know, in interfering
- 45:02Speaker 5: with the peaceful transfer of power, So a real threat
- 45:05Speaker 5: to democracy. The Democrats on their end don't get a
- 45:09Speaker 5: lot of they're they're not held accountable for this, but
- 45:13Speaker 5: they are throwing their competitors off the ballot in advance
- 45:16Speaker 5: of the election.
- 45:17Speaker 1: They really hire a bunch of lawyers to get Yes,
- 45:20Speaker 1: we can send you.
- 45:20Speaker 5: The articles if you like. In the Washington Post and
- 45:22Speaker 5: the New York Times, they're bragging actually they're bragging not
- 45:27Speaker 5: only about the consequences, but even when their plan was
- 45:29Speaker 5: launched back in March, they are bragging that they have
- 45:32Speaker 5: hired an army of lawyers basically to find faults in
- 45:36Speaker 5: our you know, in our petitions, in our electoral process
- 45:41Speaker 5: of getting on the ballot. So they and we have there,
- 45:44Speaker 5: we have screenshots of their ads which they have since
- 45:46Speaker 5: taken down, but they actually have ads advertising for people
- 45:50Speaker 5: to manage infiltrators and spies into our campaigns. And then
- 45:55Speaker 5: they actually did hijack three hundred thousand dollars in our
- 45:58Speaker 5: public funding, which we critically needed for the timing of
- 46:01Speaker 5: ballid access and that's why, for example, we missed Oklahoma
- 46:04Speaker 5: because we didn't have the cash on hand to be
- 46:06Speaker 5: able to pay the fee, which is you know what
- 46:08Speaker 5: what Oklahoma requires. So yeah, they are pulling out all
- 46:11Speaker 5: the stops, and then they they have I'm I'm sure
- 46:14Speaker 5: AOC was being an attack dog there because she was
- 46:16Speaker 5: put up to some ridiculous story which really did not
- 46:19Speaker 5: hold water and I think was really quite embarrassing to
- 46:21Speaker 5: her at the end of the day. Before her, it
- 46:23Speaker 5: was Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, who was
- 46:26Speaker 5: trying to smear me about being a Russian agent. Well,
- 46:29Speaker 5: that was long put to rest by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
- 46:33Speaker 5: which which looked into that smear campaign for three years. Actually,
- 46:37Speaker 5: I had a detailed investigation by the Senate Intelligence.
- 46:40Speaker 7: Spirit and doctor Stein, given the fact that you were
- 46:43Speaker 7: sitting at the head table with Vladimir Putin next to
- 46:45Speaker 7: Michael Flynn, who was no, literally.
- 46:48Speaker 8: No, not next to Michael Finn, No, not exame.
- 46:51Speaker 7: He was at the table with National Security Advisor Michael Flynn,
- 46:54Speaker 7: who was found to have Do you know in the
- 46:57Speaker 7: twenty sixteen election in just months?
- 46:58Speaker 8: Do you know what my message your election?
- 47:01Speaker 5: Do you know what my message was?
- 47:02Speaker 7: And what I understand from what you said is that
- 47:04Speaker 7: you weren't able to give that message because there was
- 47:06Speaker 7: no one to try.
- 47:07Speaker 5: Actually, but I was a major speaker at the conference.
- 47:11Speaker 5: What you saw was a photo from the dinner afterwards.
- 47:14Speaker 8: Dinner with Vladimir Putin.
- 47:16Speaker 5: Doc Vladimir Putin came in and sat down for ten
- 47:18Speaker 5: minutes without translator with you yet well not with me
- 47:22Speaker 5: on the other side, the only person I could actually
- 47:24Speaker 5: talk to because there was so much noise and music
- 47:28Speaker 5: and entertainment going on. The only person I could get
- 47:31Speaker 5: a word in edgewise too, was the former Foreign Minister
- 47:35Speaker 5: for Germany, Willie Wimmer, who was sitting on my right,
- 47:38Speaker 5: on my left, and my speech, you know, made three points.
- 47:43Speaker 5: My speech made three points. One is that we needed
- 47:45Speaker 5: an immediate peace offensive in the Middle East and that
- 47:50Speaker 5: Vladimir Putin needed to stop bombing Syria, which he had
- 47:54Speaker 5: just begun doing. I told him that he was following
- 47:58Speaker 5: in the footsteps of you US foreign policy, which was
- 48:01Speaker 5: a disaster by way of trying to bomb our way
- 48:04Speaker 5: to peace in the Middle East. The second point was
- 48:06Speaker 5: that we need a global green new deal because we
- 48:08Speaker 5: have a crisis that impacts all of us. We need
- 48:11Speaker 5: to move our money from the military to actually confronting
- 48:15Speaker 5: our true real threat to our survival, the climate. And
- 48:19Speaker 5: the third thing being we need to get rid of
- 48:20Speaker 5: the nuclear weapons, that too is a threat to our survival.
- 48:24Speaker 5: And right now that is a law, that is a
- 48:26Speaker 5: law of the land. The Nuclear Weapons Ban Treaty is
- 48:30Speaker 5: now required by the United Nations, the vast majority of
- 48:33Speaker 5: the world nations have signed on, but not the nuclear
- 48:36Speaker 5: weapons holding nations, not Israel, not Russia, not the US,
- 48:40Speaker 5: not China. So I was there to promote those three things,
- 48:44Speaker 5: not just to Russia, but to the world press, which was.
- 48:48Speaker 7: The dinner, which the American intelligence officials say is the
- 48:52Speaker 7: Kremlin mouthpiece.
- 48:53Speaker 8: And I just am curious if you were there, you
- 48:55Speaker 8: were sitting in this picture that I so. I was
- 48:57Speaker 8: there to speak to.
- 48:58Speaker 5: Global media, including the Canadian broadcasting system, the BBC, China, India,
- 49:05Speaker 5: world media, to know that there is another constituency within
- 49:10Speaker 5: the US. We are not all about being empire, about
- 49:14Speaker 5: conducting endless war against black and brown people around the
- 49:17Speaker 5: world and ginning up nuclear weapons. And we have, by
- 49:20Speaker 5: the way, led the charge in dismantling the nuclear treaties,
- 49:23Speaker 5: so that right now we are risking nuclear war on
- 49:26Speaker 5: three fronts. Did you know that one nuclear armed submarine
- 49:30Speaker 5: alone contained the equivalent of five thousand Hiroshima bombs. Nuclear
- 49:36Speaker 5: confrontation is a threat to us all because of the
- 49:39Speaker 5: nuclear winter thing. And there's so much which is not
- 49:42Speaker 5: being addressed. There's so much which the American people deserve
- 49:46Speaker 5: to know, including how much this is costing us.
- 49:50Speaker 4: Asking it says engaging with foreign assets as a pattern
- 49:53Speaker 4: for doctor Jill Stein. Previously, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated
- 49:58Speaker 4: links between Stein's twenty sixteen campaign Andrussia's efforts to interfere
- 50:01Speaker 4: in the election, while an indictment bought by Special Counsel
- 50:03Speaker 4: Robert Muller found at the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency had
- 50:06Speaker 4: used social media to promote her candidacy.
- 50:09Speaker 8: So that, uh, that has been more than a thousand times.
- 50:13Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean so the the Senate Intelligence Committee.
- 50:18Speaker 5: They don't mention what the finding of the Senate Intelligence
- 50:20Speaker 5: Committee was, which was that there was absolutely no fault
- 50:25Speaker 5: on my part whatsoever. The question that was raised there
- 50:28Speaker 5: was did Russian social media have an impact? And was
- 50:31Speaker 5: I on you know, a beneficiary of that?
- 50:34Speaker 1: In the Senate they said, you repeatedly parodied Kremlin views
- 50:37Speaker 1: and posted you know what.
- 50:38Speaker 5: They consider a Kremlin view. They consider reparations a Kremlin view.
- 50:43Speaker 5: They consider the civil rights movement actually a Kremlin view.
- 50:47Speaker 5: They consider racial disparities a Kremlin view. So these are
- 50:51Speaker 5: these are these are Department of Defense talking points and
- 50:54Speaker 5: these are unfortunately the DNC talking points as well, which
- 50:58Speaker 5: repeatedly tries to smear me as a Russian agent. Yes,
- 51:03Speaker 5: and this has been very specifically found lacking. And the report,
- 51:08Speaker 5: get this, the report that was initially used to supposedly
- 51:13Speaker 5: show that Russians had a social media campaign supporting me
- 51:17Speaker 5: that was written by a cybersecurity firm called the New
- 51:21Speaker 5: Knowledge Corporation. New Knowledge had to disband shortly after publishing
- 51:26Speaker 5: that because they were exposed for conducting an interference campaign
- 51:32Speaker 5: themselves in the twenty seventeen Senate election in Alabama. And
- 51:36Speaker 5: how did they do that? They pretended to be a
- 51:39Speaker 5: Russian influence campaign on social media. So they did exactly
- 51:43Speaker 5: what they have accused the Russians of doing. They actually
- 51:46Speaker 5: did and put it under the false guise of being
- 51:50Speaker 5: a Russian interference campaign.
- 51:52Speaker 3: So this is.
- 51:57Speaker 7: Vladimir Putin or any of anybody on in the anybody
- 52:00Speaker 7: within his team.
- 52:01Speaker 8: Have you ever had anythine?
- 52:02Speaker 5: I have tried to and have never been able to.
- 52:05Speaker 5: But that has been my goal to actually advance each
- 52:08Speaker 5: of these three absolutely critical issues. And in the words
- 52:11Speaker 5: of John F. Kennedy, we must not negotiate out of fear,
- 52:14Speaker 5: but we must not fear to negotiate. Look at the
- 52:17Speaker 5: Ukraine War, for example, which is an absolute disaster. It
- 52:20Speaker 5: is a war being fought to the last Ukrainian. No
- 52:23Speaker 5: one is paying a steeper price in blood than the
- 52:26Speaker 5: people of Ukraine. Right now, this is an absolutely criminal
- 52:29Speaker 5: and tragic war, but it was completely avoidable. Even after
- 52:33Speaker 5: it began. There were negotiations taking place under the auspices
- 52:37Speaker 5: of Turkey which brought together the various parties, and you
- 52:41Speaker 5: had a peace agreement between Russia and between Ukraine. And
- 52:45Speaker 5: that peace treaty was disrupted by the US and by
- 52:49Speaker 5: the UK which came in and said no, you may not,
- 52:53Speaker 5: you may not make peace here. The US has been
- 52:55Speaker 5: invested in this, unfortunately as part of our plan for
- 53:00Speaker 5: the expansion of US influence following the collapse of the
- 53:02Speaker 5: Soviet Union. It's a longer story, we don't need to
- 53:04Speaker 5: go into it, but this is an absolutely avoidable conflict.
- 53:07Speaker 5: You have to be very skeptical of the talking points
- 53:11Speaker 5: that we're hearing from.
- 53:14Speaker 1: America. Well, so that I hear a lot of geo
- 53:15Speaker 1: political issues with and so.
- 53:18Speaker 6: I'd like to bridge between those by going back to
- 53:20Speaker 6: something that you asked about, like Team Read right and
- 53:22Speaker 6: how we appeal. So just to be clear right that
- 53:26Speaker 6: part of the appeal to Team read is to actually
- 53:29Speaker 6: focus on America. So one of the things that that
- 53:31Speaker 6: is a marked difference between the way that the corporate
- 53:35Speaker 6: interests that control the Democrats and the corporate interests that
- 53:38Speaker 6: control the Republicans are are are configured. Is that on
- 53:42Speaker 6: the so called right end of the spectrum, there are
- 53:44Speaker 6: a lot more people that are interested in disengagement from
- 53:47Speaker 6: forever wars and want to focus instead on domestic policy.
- 53:51Speaker 6: So I think that that is one place where we
- 53:52Speaker 6: can absolutely make an appeal. And you know the appeal
- 53:55Speaker 6: that Jill, you know, sort of framed and I'll be
- 53:57Speaker 6: bun about this. Like my grandfather, Rudolph Where Senior he
- 54:01Speaker 6: never so, yeah, I go by Butch, but I'm actually
- 54:03Speaker 6: Rudolf where the third, you know, my grandfather from Georgia,
- 54:06Speaker 6: your father grew up in DC.
- 54:07Speaker 3: My son is also Rudolph, you know. So we got
- 54:09Speaker 3: four of them.
- 54:10Speaker 6: But Rudolph Senior never would have voted for Democrats because
- 54:12Speaker 6: he didn't like that culture of dependency, going with your
- 54:15Speaker 6: hand out. He was somebody that did things for himself.
- 54:17Speaker 6: So the idea of saying we can cut your personal
- 54:20Speaker 6: income taxes, we can cut your small business taxes because
- 54:22Speaker 6: we're gonna make billionaires pay their fair share, and we'll
- 54:25Speaker 6: stop taking money out of your pocket and handle it
- 54:28Speaker 6: handing it to raytheon by laundering it through genocides, right,
- 54:31Speaker 6: that we feel that that is something that will appeal
- 54:33Speaker 6: to people, you know, not just on the right, but
- 54:35Speaker 6: like people that are not thinking about voting at all.
- 54:38Speaker 6: That this is actually a really, really crucial point, and
- 54:40Speaker 6: it is one place where Team Blue is absolutely speeding
- 54:45Speaker 6: us towards World War three more rapidly than Team Red.
- 54:49Speaker 6: Is Okay, Team Red might be speeding us towards a
- 54:52Speaker 6: kind of societal collapse.
- 54:53Speaker 3: Right and fast. Exactly what.
- 54:56Speaker 6: No, No, But the thing is is that the truth
- 54:58Speaker 6: of the matter is is that imperialism and fascism are
- 55:02Speaker 6: two sides of the same coin. One is the side
- 55:04Speaker 6: that faces outwards and the other is the side that
- 55:06Speaker 6: faces inward. And I made a social media post before
- 55:09Speaker 6: I got brought onto the team that said it this way,
- 55:11Speaker 6: is that whether you vote Team Read or Team Blue,
- 55:14Speaker 6: militarized fascism wins because the APAK and the weapons manufacturers
- 55:21Speaker 6: are patrons of both networks. And just to return to
- 55:24Speaker 6: that point, right, I've been on campuses. I organized a
- 55:28Speaker 6: Palestini liberation concert on October twenty first, I organized a
- 55:31Speaker 6: Black and Palestinian solidarity panel at my local Mosque on
- 55:35Speaker 6: October eleventh, four days after like your brother was not
- 55:39Speaker 6: backing down, and the Zionist came from my job within
- 55:42Speaker 6: the month. Okay, and you know, a Negro still standing.
- 55:45Speaker 6: So but the point of all that is just to
- 55:47Speaker 6: say that when we launched this campaign to try to
- 55:52Speaker 6: actually bring people into this conversation, you see that this
- 55:54Speaker 6: is actually where the American people stand in The American
- 55:56Speaker 6: people do not want this forever war and they do
- 55:59Speaker 6: not one militarized fascists coming to their campuses to crack
- 56:04Speaker 6: kids heads open.
- 56:05Speaker 3: I had to stand out in front of the encampment.
- 56:06Speaker 6: And that's democratic governor in in in California, that's Democrat.
- 56:10Speaker 6: Uh you know mayors in places like New York City.
- 56:12Speaker 6: It's Democrats that are running cop cities. So the thing
- 56:15Speaker 6: is is bro fascism is already here. It's just that
- 56:18Speaker 6: one of it is like fascism and the other is fascism.
- 56:21Speaker 3: But the truth is that the purple fascists, the purple.
- 56:24Speaker 6: Imperialist Team Red and Team Blue are run by the
- 56:26Speaker 6: same funders, and who funds you runs you. So there's
- 56:29Speaker 6: a there's a discourse about putting off fascism, but the
- 56:32Speaker 6: reality is is that fascism was already here because we
- 56:34Speaker 6: already can't speak freely.
- 56:36Speaker 1: We already have.
- 56:36Speaker 6: People university presidents losing their job under democratic regimes. We
- 56:40Speaker 6: already have kids that are lining up for people peaceful
- 56:43Speaker 6: protests having their heads knocked open. Or you have the
- 56:46Speaker 6: cops standing to the side at u c l A.
- 56:48Speaker 6: So the thugs can can can knock kids heads open.
- 56:50Speaker 3: So so I'm sorry. The fear Margaret ain't gonna work
- 56:53Speaker 3: on me.
- 56:54Speaker 7: The only the only thing that I would say to
- 56:57Speaker 7: you is, I think is very dangerous rhetoric to say
- 56:59Speaker 7: they're two sides of the same coin.
- 57:01Speaker 8: I do think it's important for us to understand democrats. Yea,
- 57:04Speaker 8: I think it's well, I think it's dangerous to all
- 57:06Speaker 8: of us. Actually, I don't have that press.
- 57:08Speaker 7: I understand we do on a lot, but we also
- 57:10Speaker 7: agree on a lot. But here's one thing I think
- 57:11Speaker 7: we can't agree on. Either you win or lose this selection.
- 57:13Speaker 8: There's really no in.
- 57:14Speaker 7: Between, doctor sign. In two thousand and two, you ran
- 57:17Speaker 7: for governor of Massachusetts and you lost. In two thousand
- 57:20Speaker 7: and four, you ran for state representative in Massachusetts and
- 57:22Speaker 7: you lost.
- 57:23Speaker 8: In two thousand and six, you ran for Secretary of
- 57:24Speaker 8: the Commonwealth. You also lost.
- 57:26Speaker 7: In twenty ten, you ran for governor again, this time
- 57:28Speaker 7: against the first black governor in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick.
- 57:33Speaker 8: You lost.
- 57:33Speaker 7: In twenty twelve, you ran against this country's first black
- 57:35Speaker 7: president with and you got just less than one half
- 57:41Speaker 7: of one percent of total votes cast. In twenty sixteen,
- 57:44Speaker 7: you ran against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, losing uh significantly,
- 57:51Speaker 7: with one point four million votes cast for you but
- 57:53Speaker 7: zero Electoral College votes, which I agree with y'all needs
- 57:56Speaker 7: to be abolished. But one hundred and thirty six million
- 58:00Speaker 7: people voted and you lost that election as well. So
- 58:03Speaker 7: I want to know what the pathway to victory is
- 58:05Speaker 7: for you at twenty four can't be.
- 58:07Speaker 5: I'd like to yeh want can I respond? But I
- 58:24Speaker 5: would like to respond. This is the framing of the
- 58:27Speaker 5: empire and the oligarchy and white supremacy and colonialism, which
- 58:32Speaker 5: wants you to feel that resistance is futile. This is
- 58:35Speaker 5: about voter blaming me. No not.
- 58:41Speaker 7: What you're not going to say is that I'm ever
- 58:43Speaker 7: perading anything at the hands of white supremacy.
- 58:47Speaker 8: This is something that's very different. This is me asking
- 58:49Speaker 8: you again. It's a buy.
- 58:50Speaker 7: I'm just pulling out that it is either talking the
- 58:54Speaker 7: same talking points, get talking to. This is not DNC
- 58:58Speaker 7: talking points. This is my research and so for you,
- 59:00Speaker 7: the research says you have never won an election. You
- 59:03Speaker 7: have been successful in pushing forward certain agendas, advocate.
- 59:10Speaker 5: One in order to win. You know, a journey of
- 59:15Speaker 5: a thousand miles begins with one step, and in this case.
- 59:18Speaker 8: It's many steps.
- 59:19Speaker 5: Let me point out, let me point out. Please, you
- 59:24Speaker 5: need to compare the Green Party not with those who
- 59:27Speaker 5: are taking money from Apex and the War Machine and
- 59:30Speaker 5: Wall Street. You've got to compare us, excuse me, you
- 59:33Speaker 5: have to compare us to other grassrooms.
- 59:36Speaker 8: Non we need she said, that's what that was.
- 59:46Speaker 5: May I please let's please finish, please, thank you. You're
- 59:53Speaker 5: trying to compare us to the Democratic Party and the
- 59:57Speaker 5: Republican Party with their billions of dollars, or to the
- 59:59Speaker 5: Working f Party, which is not under attack as a
- 1:00:03Speaker 5: people powered party, not taking money from Wall Street or
- 1:00:06Speaker 5: the war machine or a pack we are on very
- 1:00:09Speaker 5: different turf. But if you compare us to all other
- 1:00:12Speaker 5: similar parties which are not taking corporate money, which are
- 1:00:16Speaker 5: not bought and paid for, which can stand up against
- 1:00:19Speaker 5: endless war, against homelessness, against the climate crisis, against the
- 1:00:24Speaker 5: housing and the healthcare crisis. Campaigns like us who can
- 1:00:28Speaker 5: actually stand up for the people. They last exactly one
- 1:00:31Speaker 5: to two election cycles and then they're gone. So we
- 1:00:34Speaker 5: are actually strong, the pillar of strength among people powered politics.
- 1:00:41Speaker 5: And what have we done over that period. We have
- 1:00:44Speaker 5: established the Green Party as the vehicle for people powered politics.
- 1:00:48Speaker 5: We have also launched the agenda which has been adopted
- 1:00:52Speaker 5: by the Progressive Democrats given lip service, not actually advanced.
- 1:00:56Speaker 5: But whether you're looking at healthcare as a human right
- 1:00:58Speaker 5: launched by Ralph Nader as a national issue, reparations launched
- 1:01:02Speaker 5: by our campaign as a national issue in twenty twelve,
- 1:01:05Speaker 5: if you look at free public higher education, bailing out
- 1:01:09Speaker 5: students and ending student debt, you had Congress bailing out
- 1:01:13Speaker 5: the crooks on Wall Street who crashed the economy, but
- 1:01:16Speaker 5: not bailing out homeowners, not bailing out students. That agenda
- 1:01:20Speaker 5: was launched by us. So I think it's not fair,
- 1:01:24Speaker 5: and it is the talking point of AOC the other
- 1:01:27Speaker 5: day who is taking her marching orders from the DNC.
- 1:01:30Speaker 5: This is exactly what they say that we are only
- 1:01:33Speaker 5: running for president.
- 1:01:34Speaker 7: Color as parenting talking points instead of us looking at
- 1:01:37Speaker 7: basic math. The one thing that AOC has done that
- 1:01:39Speaker 7: you haven't is win some elections. And so when I'm
- 1:01:42Speaker 7: asking you, but what I'm trying any elections, that is
- 1:01:45Speaker 7: one point. If you want to tell me this, let's
- 1:01:46Speaker 7: talk about it more good question. If you want to
- 1:01:51Speaker 7: talk about you can do that, not by running necessarily
- 1:01:57Speaker 7: for president. Douglas says power, it's not Secretaria of the Commonwealth,
- 1:02:01Speaker 7: candidate as a gubernatorial candidate, as a president. Instead of
- 1:02:09Speaker 7: telling me, I'm parting white supremacist talking so I can
- 1:02:12Speaker 7: tell you to hear the facts, I can tell you
- 1:02:14Speaker 7: the numbers are not on your side.
- 1:02:16Speaker 4: Absolutely remarks yes you know on your campaign, and then
- 1:02:20Speaker 4: the honorable Angelo ri.
- 1:02:21Speaker 8: You can with your I've asked my questions.
- 1:02:24Speaker 3: Okay.
- 1:02:25Speaker 5: So, as Frederick Douglas said, power concedes nothing without a demand.
- 1:02:30Speaker 5: It never hasn't, it never will. Like so many other Greens,
- 1:02:34Speaker 5: I came from the world of social activism. I spent
- 1:02:37Speaker 5: decades upon decades fighting for healthcare as a human right,
- 1:02:41Speaker 5: for racially just redistricting, which we actually succeeded in, for
- 1:02:45Speaker 5: getting big money out of politics, and creating a public
- 1:02:48Speaker 5: financing system, which we actually succeeded in Massachusetts until the
- 1:02:52Speaker 5: Democratic legislature came in and invalidated the people's referendum, which
- 1:02:57Speaker 5: had won by a two to one margin. They validated
- 1:03:00Speaker 5: it on a voice vote and refused to provide the
- 1:03:03Speaker 5: funding for it. I saw our movements being beaten back
- 1:03:07Speaker 5: by the power of the political power of corporations and
- 1:03:10Speaker 5: billionaires operating through the Democratic and Republican parties. I saw
- 1:03:14Speaker 5: that over and over again, we are not making incremental
- 1:03:18Speaker 5: progress forward. We're actually taking rather major steps backwards.
- 1:03:21Speaker 1: Right now.
- 1:03:22Speaker 5: You know, the disparities, racial disparities, black and white disparities
- 1:03:26Speaker 5: are actually not better at all than they were in
- 1:03:28Speaker 5: nineteen sixty in spite of all the you know, hard
- 1:03:32Speaker 5: work and the lip service that's been given to racial
- 1:03:35Speaker 5: justice and racial equality. You know, in Boston, in the
- 1:03:38Speaker 5: Massachusetts area, the average household wealth of the African American
- 1:03:43Speaker 5: family is eight dollars considering debt. The average wealth of
- 1:03:47Speaker 5: the Caucasian family is a quarter million dollars. And this
- 1:03:50Speaker 5: is not unusual. This is where we are. We are stuck.
- 1:03:54Speaker 5: If you looked at the footage from the floor of
- 1:03:57Speaker 5: the DNC, what you could see were the corpse at
- 1:04:00Speaker 5: suites which started at half a million dollars each and
- 1:04:03Speaker 5: went up to five million dollars. This is the money
- 1:04:06Speaker 5: running the DNC, running the Republican National Committee as well.
- 1:04:11Speaker 5: These parties have been bought and paid for. They really
- 1:04:13Speaker 5: do not have wiggle room. We're not going to fix
- 1:04:16Speaker 5: this around the margins. We need to stand up and
- 1:04:18Speaker 5: build a coalition. This was my experience as an organizer,
- 1:04:21Speaker 5: a successful organizer on these many issues that I just
- 1:04:25Speaker 5: ran through. How did we do that? You do it
- 1:04:27Speaker 5: by building coalitions. But if your coalitions are only there
- 1:04:31Speaker 5: for the moment, you know what, you can get the
- 1:04:32Speaker 5: bill passed like we did with the public funding of elections,
- 1:04:36Speaker 5: but they're going to tear it down. Then you need
- 1:04:38Speaker 5: your coalition to be to remain in power and to
- 1:04:41Speaker 5: remain effective so that you're fighting to maintain your victories.
- 1:04:45Speaker 5: So what I see us having done since I first
- 1:04:47Speaker 5: was tricked into running for office in two thousand, running
- 1:04:51Speaker 5: for governor. I was tricked into running for office because
- 1:04:53Speaker 5: I saw we were failing over and over and over
- 1:04:56Speaker 5: again on our aspirations for you know, for racial justice,
- 1:05:00Speaker 5: to fight white supremacy, to fight police violence, which also
- 1:05:03Speaker 5: is getting worse year by year to fight for health care.
- 1:05:07Speaker 5: You know, the health disparities between African American and white
- 1:05:11Speaker 5: population is about three years three years of life taken
- 1:05:15Speaker 5: away from African Americans. And that's before you add in
- 1:05:18Speaker 5: the disparities in economic education. If you factor in education
- 1:05:23Speaker 5: disparities as well, that three years grows to ten years
- 1:05:26Speaker 5: a decade taken off the lives of most African Americans.
- 1:05:30Speaker 5: To me, this was just unacceptable. I could not sit
- 1:05:33Speaker 5: there and take it over and over again, especially after
- 1:05:36Speaker 5: the Democrats reversed our achievements to get at the core problem,
- 1:05:40Speaker 5: which is the corruption of money in politics, we solve
- 1:05:44Speaker 5: that and they basically tore that solution to shreds. I
- 1:05:47Speaker 5: could not stand there. That's when I got recruited to
- 1:05:50Speaker 5: run for office because I began to realize this is
- 1:05:52Speaker 5: about building coalitions. That doesn't happen overnight. It takes a
- 1:05:55Speaker 5: lot of education, it takes a lot of work. And
- 1:05:58Speaker 5: so I ran in that first race for governor, challenging
- 1:06:02Speaker 5: actually Mitt Romney, who was running for governor on the
- 1:06:06Speaker 5: Republican ticket. And you know what, we had to fight
- 1:06:08Speaker 5: our weight to get into a televised debate, but we
- 1:06:11Speaker 5: did succeed because the turnout was huge in you know,
- 1:06:14Speaker 5: in the rallies that were demanding to open up the debates,
- 1:06:17Speaker 5: and that debate was opened up on one occasion, and
- 1:06:21Speaker 5: that took place in a TV studio. There was no
- 1:06:24Speaker 5: live audience to like read, so it was just you know,
- 1:06:27Speaker 5: speaking to the other people in the room, small number
- 1:06:31Speaker 5: of people, uh the you know, the guy behind the
- 1:06:33Speaker 5: camera and so on, and my the Green Party's proposals,
- 1:06:38Speaker 5: which we've run through several times, went over like a
- 1:06:41Speaker 5: lead balloon inside of that TV studio, and I walked
- 1:06:44Speaker 5: out of there thinking, oh, well, at least I tried.
- 1:06:46Speaker 5: But when I walked out, I was mobbed by the
- 1:06:49Speaker 5: press who told me that I had won the instant
- 1:06:51Speaker 5: online viewer poll, which we didn't even know was going on.
- 1:06:56Speaker 5: And to me, that was like a revelation that, oh,
- 1:06:58Speaker 5: my god, people actually agree with us. We don't need
- 1:07:01Speaker 5: to change people's minds. People's minds have been changed by
- 1:07:05Speaker 5: the desperate state of our economy, by you know, the
- 1:07:08Speaker 5: incredible injustices, by the police state that we're living in,
- 1:07:12Speaker 5: et cetera. And it wasn't nearly as bad back then,
- 1:07:14Speaker 5: in the year two thousand and two. So we at
- 1:07:19Speaker 5: that point as like a curtain went up for me
- 1:07:22Speaker 5: and I saw, oh my god, this is not a
- 1:07:24Speaker 5: matter of having to change people's minds. People are already there.
- 1:07:27Speaker 5: It's just the people are denied knowing that there are
- 1:07:29Speaker 5: options that actually empower us.
- 1:07:31Speaker 1: So that's your website for people want thank.
- 1:07:33Speaker 5: You it is it is Jill Stein twenty four dot com.
- 1:07:37Speaker 5: And yes, check us out because this election is full
- 1:07:42Speaker 5: of what shall we say, one eighties and unexpected developments,
- 1:07:45Speaker 5: and we the people deserve to be heard. We are
- 1:07:47Speaker 5: demanding to be heard, and we potentially have the power
- 1:07:51Speaker 5: if only the Vote to Stop Genocide stood up to
- 1:07:55Speaker 5: say I will not hold my vote, my my nose
- 1:07:57Speaker 5: and vote for genocide. That vote, or the eighty seven
- 1:08:01Speaker 5: million people who do not have adequate healthcare, or the
- 1:08:03Speaker 5: fifty percent of renters who are struggling, who are just
- 1:08:06Speaker 5: one or two paychecks away from being evicted and being
- 1:08:09Speaker 5: out in the street, if those people stand up to
- 1:08:12Speaker 5: vote for what we actually can have right now, this
- 1:08:16Speaker 5: election will be turned on its head. And if we
- 1:08:19Speaker 5: don't get to the White House, but we start on
- 1:08:22Speaker 5: the road to the White House, that too is a
- 1:08:24Speaker 5: huge win. So I really encourage people to follow the
- 1:08:27Speaker 5: words of Alice Walker. The biggest way we give up
- 1:08:30Speaker 5: power is by not recognizing that we have it. This
- 1:08:33Speaker 5: is the conversation that the Democrats, the Republicans, the oligarchs,
- 1:08:37Speaker 5: the warmongers, they do not want you to hear this.
- 1:08:41Speaker 5: They do not want you to know that we have power.
- 1:08:43Speaker 5: We have the power if we are willing to stand
- 1:08:46Speaker 5: up and demand it. And in the face of the genocide,
- 1:08:49Speaker 5: it is a new coalition is being forged. It's being
- 1:08:54Speaker 5: forged in this era of blood and destruction and world crisis.
- 1:09:00Speaker 5: A new coalition is being formed to stand up for
- 1:09:03Speaker 5: peace and justice. The institutional supports are coming out of
- 1:09:07Speaker 5: the woodwork in a way that we have never seen before.
- 1:09:09Speaker 5: This is my third race. We've never seen anything like it.
- 1:09:12Speaker 5: And the mobilization of the Arab American and the Muslim
- 1:09:15Speaker 5: American communities is a real example of a community that
- 1:09:19Speaker 5: is standing up with the incredible courage of their convictions
- 1:09:22Speaker 5: to say we deserve better. We deserve an America in
- 1:09:25Speaker 5: a world that works for all of us that is
- 1:09:27Speaker 5: within our reach if we demand it.
- 1:09:29Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen.
- 1:09:31Speaker 1: Doctor Jistin, thank you so much.
- 1:09:36Speaker 8: To be a debate.
- 1:09:38Speaker 1: But it was good.
- 1:09:39Speaker 5: It was It was great, great, It's.
- 1:09:42Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that ass up in
- 1:09:45Speaker 1: the morning club, Breakfast Club,