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  Speaker 1: the blue sky. In this episode of Disguised Coverage, we
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  Speaker 1: are forty less than forty eight hours away from the
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  Speaker 1: official start of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Round
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  Speaker 1: one is this upcoming Thursday night, and then we've got
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  Speaker 1: rounds two and three on Friday night and then the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the draft on Saturday. And in accordance with that,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to be diving into a theme in
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  Speaker 1: this episode that we did last year with the exact
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  Speaker 1: same guest. I'm excited to run back this year. And
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't know what was happening based on the
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  Speaker 1: title or the episode description, or you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who the guests was by ringing the episode description,
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  Speaker 1: you will see that shortly. What we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing in this episode is building the perfect and or
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  Speaker 1: ideal whatever verbide you want to use. Buffalo Bills twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five NFL Draft Class. We will be diving into
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  Speaker 1: specific players, positional needs for this team, positional values, juxtaposing
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you go at this position here, what
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  Speaker 1: does it look like to go down the board. Later,
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  Speaker 1: our evaluations rankings, anything and everything that would lead us
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  Speaker 1: to have a discussion of how and why we would
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  Speaker 1: come to the conclusion of what our perfect Buffalo Bills
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five NFL Draft would look like and having
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  Speaker 1: that conversation. As I mentioned, this person was my guest
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  Speaker 1: last year for this same topic. He is my guest
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  Speaker 1: again this year for this topic. Welcoming to the show,
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  Speaker 1: mister Joe Marino of Locked on Bills. Very busy man
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  Speaker 1: this time of year. So Joe, like I said to
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  Speaker 1: you offline, I'm very grateful that you took the time.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. How you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good man, Good to be with you. Good for
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  Speaker 2: it to be draft week, Good for the hours to
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  Speaker 2: be passing us by, to get closer to this thing. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready for these players to be picked, Ready to
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  Speaker 2: relearn the league. You know, I understand the direction of
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  Speaker 2: the Bills. One thing that you said there, I totally
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  Speaker 2: remember doing this last year. I don't remember what I said.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any chance that you had, like the the ideal?
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  Speaker 2: I hate to put you on the spot right now,
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  Speaker 2: but I love funny. I'd love to know what I said.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's funny. I don't remember what I do remember,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought it was this draft, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: because the years were different. Actually think this is the
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  Speaker 1: third consecutive year we did it, because I remember the
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  Speaker 1: first time we did it, we disagreed on Tank Dell
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  Speaker 1: and that's the only thing that reminds well, not really disagreed,
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  Speaker 1: but we talked about like I like him a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about the outliers, how small he was, YadA YadA.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this is actually the third year in
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  Speaker 1: a row that we've done it. But my brain, my
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  Speaker 1: brain is like fried now at this point. So no,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought of going back and looking at it,
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  Speaker 1: but then I was like, well, if it's not great,
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  Speaker 1: then I have to know that internally I'm lying about it.
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  Speaker 1: So I kind of kept my head in the sand
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  Speaker 1: on this one. So no, I did not go back.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, well, now I'm gonna have to do that
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  Speaker 2: is part of my killing time between now and Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: See what I said last year and compare that's very ye,
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  Speaker 2: We'll go.
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  Speaker 1: Through uh and do that and see I feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to it in two minutes and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is terrible. I don't want to know this at all.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I might turn that off real quick, but
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  Speaker 2: if it sounds good, I might some receipts, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Look at the look how predictive I was and how
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  Speaker 1: well this worked out? Look at me?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh it turns out So I guess in accordance with
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  Speaker 1: that for this episode, this draft class and going into
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season, how did you you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a starting point for building your ideal
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  Speaker 1: or perfect Bills draft class? Did it start with a
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  Speaker 1: particular like player in mind? Or did it start with
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  Speaker 1: a specific positional hierarchy or kind of the value propositions
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  Speaker 1: of positions versus different positions. How did you start? You know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of high level without giving too much away, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how did you kind of put your board together for
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  Speaker 1: this episode?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mostly leaning into my own personal preferences as
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  Speaker 2: to certain players at positions that I think are most important,
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  Speaker 2: while being mindful of kind of the depth of the
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  Speaker 2: class and where I think the talent cliffs are at
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  Speaker 2: those positions, so prioritizing needs but also factoring in talent
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  Speaker 2: cliffs so that way I can position myself to get
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  Speaker 2: exactly what I want and that's really went into it's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of personal bias. I'm not gonna lie to you.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's something that was weighing heavily on the
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  Speaker 2: way that I'm building my own personal ideal bills draft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one for me that I think is
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  Speaker 1: such a core And really, anytime I do, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's like a mock that I'm just doing for fun
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  Speaker 1: while I'm like waiting in line at the at the
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  Speaker 1: car washer or something like that, Like everything for me
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  Speaker 1: is like you said, tied to you know what the
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  Speaker 1: bills need, or like a specific player that you might like,
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  Speaker 1: but it's all you call it tail, you call it
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  Speaker 1: talent cliffs, which I love. I always call it the
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  Speaker 1: value proposition and it but it's essentially it's literally not
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  Speaker 1: even essentially. It's the same thing like, Okay, if I
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  Speaker 1: need these two positions, how can I get the best
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  Speaker 1: value out of both of them? If I go position
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  Speaker 1: A right now, that means I gotta go B later.
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  Speaker 1: What does be look like later? And then you might
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  Speaker 1: have somebody a position A that you like a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but the value is still good later. So you're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even though I love this guy, at this position.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with position because I can still kind
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  Speaker 1: of mitigate the difference between who I like in a
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  Speaker 1: and what that And it's these exercises are always so fun,
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  Speaker 1: but it I can't imagine being in like an actual
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  Speaker 1: like war room in the draft, Like it would just
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  Speaker 1: stress me out to like no degree. Like even just
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  Speaker 1: preparing for this, I was like I kind of knew
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  Speaker 1: where I was going, but like putting it officially on
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  Speaker 1: the record for myself, I was like stressed out and
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine like my actual livelihood being attached to it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just naturally fall in love with different prospects too,
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  Speaker 2: and you there's the hard reality of you're just not
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  Speaker 2: gonna get them all. You're not even gonna get most
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  Speaker 2: of them. You're only gonna get some maybe a couple, right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So that's the other reality of this is you put
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  Speaker 2: so much work into it and ultimately you're only going
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  Speaker 2: to get a few few players hopefully that you really like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, quick question for you offer all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: you just said, And because I think about this for
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  Speaker 1: myself all the time, you know, there's how would you
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  Speaker 1: juxtapose or kind of work in not necessarily biased, but
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  Speaker 1: what you like or what you look for individ juli
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  Speaker 1: or personally in a prospect versus like kind of what
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  Speaker 1: is objectively good Like I'll give you an example, like
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  Speaker 1: receiver for instance, Right, Like I tend to gravitate towards
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  Speaker 1: guys like with really great stem work and great release packages.
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  Speaker 1: Now I also value other things like, oh sweet, can
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  Speaker 1: you you know whin contesta catches downfield? What kind of
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  Speaker 1: long speed you have? So on and so forth. But
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  Speaker 1: I gravitate towards guys, and I always have to not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily fight, but make sure like I don't overvalue those
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  Speaker 1: guys on my board because of my personal preference. Is
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, and you've been doing this for so long,
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  Speaker 1: is that something you kind of just figured out how
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  Speaker 1: to compartmentalize or does it work into your overall evaluations
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  Speaker 1: kind of naturally or purposefully at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely going to be my own preferences at
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  Speaker 2: each position that are going to factor in. Just there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing I can do about it. But I think what
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  Speaker 2: I always try to go back to is for as
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  Speaker 2: much as I might prefer different styles or different body types,
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  Speaker 2: the reality is that every position there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different ways to get it done. And so what I
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  Speaker 2: try to do is I look at my scouting process
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  Speaker 2: very much through the lens of risk assessment, and so,
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  Speaker 2: what about this player, what characteristics do they have? And
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  Speaker 2: then from there comparing it against historical norms and then
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  Speaker 2: giving myself the most likely outcome that's going to lead
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  Speaker 2: to a hit. And so of course I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: care most about the things that I care most about,
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  Speaker 2: but I still have to foil it all together to
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  Speaker 2: ask myself the question does this track like, does this
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  Speaker 2: skill set? Does this profile work in the NFL? And
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  Speaker 2: if it does, how valuable is it? And then that's
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  Speaker 2: how you get to your grades. So I think I
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  Speaker 2: think that's my best way of certainly being mindful of
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  Speaker 2: the things that I care most about, but being mindful
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  Speaker 2: of what works in the NFL. And I think, particularly
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  Speaker 2: like a pass rusher, where I think we love dude.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything more sexy than a guy getting off
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  Speaker 2: the ball quick bending and running a circle around an
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  Speaker 2: offensive tackle? Is there anything better than that? Well, guess
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  Speaker 2: what doesn't really happen in the NFL? That, right, You
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  Speaker 2: gotta be able to shave angles. You gotta be able
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  Speaker 2: to play through contact and play through blocks. So it's
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  Speaker 2: it's hard sometimes to be like, oh, I think this
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  Speaker 2: pass rusher is really stiff. Okay, well, can they play
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  Speaker 2: through angles? Do they have good contact balance? Do they
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  Speaker 2: have length? Could do they have a natural feel for
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  Speaker 2: angles in how they rush? Because that's really important. It's
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  Speaker 2: probably matters a lot more than the guy that can
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  Speaker 2: just run a circle around a guy, because that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really translate to the same degree. So it's just it's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that man figuring these guys out and
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  Speaker 2: how valuable whatever they do is.
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  Speaker 1: Very well said I I operate with a similar philosophy
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  Speaker 1: to a degree of kind of I always look at
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  Speaker 1: a guy and it's similar to kind of what I
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  Speaker 1: do in fantasy football. I'm very much like a like
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  Speaker 1: a high floor type of guy. And when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to prospect evaluation, alway's like, okay, like if this player
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  Speaker 1: comes in to the league or to a team, what
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  Speaker 1: do I think they are, like, you know, no quote unquote,
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  Speaker 1: but what do I think he can hang his hat
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  Speaker 1: on forever or immediately? Is it one thing? Is it
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  Speaker 1: two things? If it's just this one thing, Okay, Like
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  Speaker 1: I know he can be great at this thing without
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  Speaker 1: thinking of anything else, oh his ceiling or if he
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  Speaker 1: goes to the right landing spot or if he connect
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  Speaker 1: forget all that. I always think of, like what can
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  Speaker 1: what can this player hang his hat on? And then
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  Speaker 1: that kind of factors in as well, And I always
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  Speaker 1: just chalk it up kind of like a high floor
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  Speaker 1: because there's just there's so much and it gets talked
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  Speaker 1: about every cycle, but there's, man like the amount of
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  Speaker 1: variables that go into what a player becomes, like their
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  Speaker 1: individual makeup, the makeup of the organization they go into
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  Speaker 1: both culturally and schematically, and then everything that just snowballs
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  Speaker 1: from there, positively and negatively. There's so much that goes
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  Speaker 1: into what a guy ends up becoming that it's so
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if it's why coaches and gms and scouts
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  Speaker 1: get rotated around in different spots, like the draft is
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  Speaker 1: such an inexact science in every way, shape and form
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  Speaker 1: and it Yeah, but it all goes back to the man.
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  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine having to be like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm betting my job on this like twenty one year
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  Speaker 1: old to come out and do this thing that I
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  Speaker 1: need him to do.
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  Speaker 2: For my job. Yeah, and there's so much that goes
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  Speaker 2: into that. I love how you made this bigger than
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  Speaker 2: just what you can learn from watching tape looking at
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  Speaker 2: measurables athletic profiles, production profiles, because these are real people,
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  Speaker 2: and real people are all different, and we've all worked
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  Speaker 2: jobs in our life. You've seen how even you might
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  Speaker 2: interview somebody or meet somebody, and you see the way
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  Speaker 2: that they work. It's different, right, And that's not different
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  Speaker 2: in football, right. These are still regular people that have tendencies,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we don't get to really meet these guys.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we don't really get to find out what
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  Speaker 2: their football IQ is talk to people that have been
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  Speaker 2: around them for the last few years. And the thing
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  Speaker 2: that nobody knows is what's going to happen when you
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  Speaker 2: are all of a sudden, a young twenty year old
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  Speaker 2: man and you suddenly have more money and time than
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  Speaker 2: you've ever had in your entire life. How do you
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  Speaker 2: respond to that? Nobody? Nobody knows, man, And all of
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  Speaker 2: those things are very critical in determining what type of
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  Speaker 2: professional football player they're going to be. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: why I give myself a lot of grace man. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like do I get it all right? No, I certainly don't.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also a lot of layers to this that
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  Speaker 2: I don't have that makes it very difficult for me
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  Speaker 2: to you know, really really project guys. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important that people know, like, hey, these opinions
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  Speaker 2: and these evaluations are based on film measurables, athletic testing,
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  Speaker 2: production profiles, and that's it. I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 2: these people as people. You read stuff, but you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny too, I've said what I'm about to say.
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  Speaker 1: I've said this so much this draft cycle, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like more than previous ones, even though I know I've
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  Speaker 1: said it in previously too. And you know, we watch
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  Speaker 1: the tape, we get the ALL twenty two, and we
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  Speaker 1: dive into it. I wish I had like ALL twenty
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  Speaker 1: two for the top thirty visits or the interviews of
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  Speaker 1: the combine, or like anything that could just give me
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  Speaker 1: a peek into a player's character makeup or personality makeup,
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  Speaker 1: because that is what separates them once you get to
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  Speaker 1: the league. Like in granted, everybody he's got, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hands in different buckets, but once you get to college
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  Speaker 1: and then further when you get to the NFL. Everybody's
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  Speaker 1: good at football, everyone's big, everyone's fast like, everyone's strong like.
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  Speaker 1: But it's that mental makeup that separates the like the
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  Speaker 1: bad from the math, the math from the good, the
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  Speaker 1: good from the great, and the great from the hall
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  Speaker 1: of fame. And it's just it's tied to so many things,
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  Speaker 1: like how you see the game, how you understand it,
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  Speaker 1: but your work ethic, like do you already have a
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  Speaker 1: routine tied into it? Does the team that brings you
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  Speaker 1: in like support that routine? Do they have to instill it?
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  Speaker 1: Do you clash with your position coach? Does your position
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  Speaker 1: coach not like you as a person like that gets
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  Speaker 1: lost so much too, Like at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: it's still like it's still a job. And just like
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  Speaker 1: regular people with regular lives, you might hate your boss.
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  Speaker 1: Your boss might hate you, and in this case, your
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  Speaker 1: boss might be your position coach. Or maybe your boss
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  Speaker 1: loves you but his boss. You know, you're a CBR,
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  Speaker 1: your direct report, your secondary coach, he loves you, but
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  Speaker 1: his boss the defensive coordinator hate your gut maybe more possible, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like all those little layers, and then does that sour
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit? And would Oh. There's just so
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  Speaker 1: many layers from that aspect, and that's why I always yeah,
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  Speaker 1: every year, I'm always like, man, I wish I just
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  Speaker 1: I love the post draft content when teams select guys
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  Speaker 1: and then they put out the videos of what their
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  Speaker 1: h you know, interview look like with them at the
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  Speaker 1: combine the little nuggets and we've seen the Kyank homing ones,
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  Speaker 1: the Kyrie reelam so on and so over all these
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  Speaker 1: teams do it. I wish like there was like a
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  Speaker 1: black market film for that, like in February and March
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  Speaker 1: and April, to help us further our evaluations and round
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  Speaker 1: everything out to really know what these guys are between
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  Speaker 1: the years, because there's so much of that that we'll
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  Speaker 1: never know just by watching the tape and breaking it down.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Gruden QB camps, have you get a chance
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  Speaker 2: to watch any of them? Brother, just need one of
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  Speaker 2: those on every single player. We'll be fine. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: a figure it out real quick, man. So those are awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I was watching who I think it was. I was
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  Speaker 1: watching Kyl McCord break down their RPO stuff and how
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  Speaker 1: like everything is adjusted based on like if the if
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  Speaker 1: the receiver gets pressed, and how he stems the route
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  Speaker 1: and changes it from a slant. And then but even
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  Speaker 1: if they're if the corners like impress, if he takes
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: an inside release and the corner tries to mash it,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: he converts that slant to a go and just how
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: reactive it is. And then I think it was Riley
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Leonard who is breaking everything down on like the cadence
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: with the claps and how fake it was and all
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: the details. Man, Yeah, that so good, Oh so good,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: so so good. Joe, I hope this episode goes so
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: so good. We're gonna pivot now to the meat of
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: this episode. The crux of this episode, for those who
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, Joe and I will be building our perfect
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and or ideal Buffalo Bills twenty twenty five draft class.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: For those of you joining us live here. If you
• 16:41
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• 16:42
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• 16:45
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• 16:47
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• 16:50
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• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Let us know who are your ideal targets, what your
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: ideal draft class looks like what you think of our
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: picks as we go throughout the rounds and the days
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and the players and all of that. Whether you got
• 17:03
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• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it up into the chat. Let us know, billt engaging
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: with the chat, and then I will pull up anything
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and everything as physically possible for us to engage with
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: as we go forward. Joe, you are the guests. The
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: floor is yours. We are going to start with pick
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: thirty in round one. Obviously, what does that pick in
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: round one look like for you when you were starting
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: out building your perfect Buffalo Bills twenty twenty five draft class.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously the perfect pick would be a dual Carter
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: falling to number thirty. But with that out of the way,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: am I silly joke? Sorry? Like, yeah, that was lame,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Travis Travis Hunter be fine too, Yeah, that's I'll take
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of It's okay, Yeah, it'd be good picks. So, of course,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: having a level of reality to this conversation, yes, I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: do look at this Bills team with three primary needs,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and you can debate the order, but detackle a corner
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and d end I think are the most important things
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: for this football team. And that's how I want to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: see the Bills attack these first three picks and being
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: mindful of talent cliffs and in the way that I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: see it, I think there's a lot of value at
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the defensive end position. That's kind of the one I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable waiting on and feeling like at sixty two,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I can get a player that I'm gonna like. Where
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I get a little bit more nervous is at dtackle
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and corner. But I have a little bit more depth
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: at corner in terms of players that I really like.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And so with this being Joe Marino's ideal scenario for
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the Bills, I want to get this defensive tackle situation
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: figured out ap if the Bills played a game right now,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and they don't. They're not playing a game right now.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Let's establish that sure. But with Larry hug and Joby
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: suspended for the first six games of the season, this
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: d tackler rotation is at Oliver Deiquon, Jones, Zion Logan,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Dwayne Carter. We can't go to war with tech. We
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: cannot go to war with that, you know what I mean? Actually,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: because Ed's gonna play sixty percent Dakwon's gonna play fifty
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to fifty five percent. There's a lot of snaps right
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: there for Carter and Logan, and I just feel like
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: those players have not shown me enough to feel comfortable.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So I have a lot of concern for this detackle position.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And really what I'd love to do is be able
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to get somebody that can pair with Daikwon Jones this year,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: you know, to round out all those one tech snaps,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but then have a successor in place with Daikwon aging
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: last year of his deal. You like to be able
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: to kind of help yourself now and in the future,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and so I would love for the Bills to get
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that type of player. Now, I'm a little particular about
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that type of player. I don't want to get just
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a big guy that can't move or defend the you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: not just a run defender. Of course I want run defender,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: but I want a guy that can do the most
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: important thing, which is make plays behind the line of scrimmage.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: And I know this is a player that we might
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: not see eyd eye on, but this is my ideal
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: draft and I'm picking Kenneth Grant okay out of Michigan.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. I'm fully prepared for Kenneth
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Grant to be on the board to pick thirty and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the Bills not to pick them like I'm not exactly
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure or convinced that this is a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: player that the Bills like as much as I do.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: For me, he's the number fifteen player on my board,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: so you can understand why I'd be as static about
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: him at pick thirty. I think he's just really unique.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: He is huge, he's three hundred and thirty pounds, but
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: he's got a lot of movement skills that really get
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: me excited, particularly lateral movement skills. And you know, I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: love watching him pursue backside and get outside the tackles
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and make these plays down the line of scrimmage. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I think that there's an unrealized pass rush
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: ceiling that he has as well, where you know, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: don't want to get nuts, but there's the there's different
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: types of nose tackles, and the ones that you want
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: are the DJ Readers, the Vita Vegas, the Dexter Lawrence,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, those types of guys, those are the ones
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that are really valuable. And I think that Dexter Lawrence
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: has a ceiling that can kind of give you that
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: type of player if it all comes together. I'm not
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going to sit here and act like everything is great
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and amazing. With Kenneth Grant, I think he's got to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: play with better pad level to really maximize his power
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: at the point of attack. I do think he has
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to flesh out his past rush repertoire. But I love
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the package here. I love the ceiling. I love the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: physical upside, and that's what I'm looking for. I want
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: guys to have a chance to be a difference maker,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and I feel like Kenneth Grant does have that type
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of ceiling, and so for me, that's that's a direction
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I would just be over the moon with. If that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: where the Bills went with pick thirty. Predictively, I don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: think they're going to, but that's my ideal first round
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: pick I.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It's fine, you know, it's I'd always I'm very I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: don't like to kind of think about like, oh, who's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: someone going to take or who's someone of the picks.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to influence anything from me, But in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: my head, like all day, I was like, I feel
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like he's gonna have Grant in round one. It's kind
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of like where my head was going. And I avoid,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Like I said this on the show before, I avoid
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: as much draft content from the world as I can
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: because I don't want anyone to infl wins, like even
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: if it's conscious or like subconsciously, I don't want anyone
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to influence my thoughts or my evaluations or my board.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So I avoid everything from the world until I'm done.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm a little late this year, so I've avoid
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: kind of everything. But yeah, I thought I had a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: feeling you would go with Grant a little bit because
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: we I DMD you about him a couple weeks ago.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I like Kenneth Grant, and I've said it on the show.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I agree with your evaluation completely. The
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: thing I disagree with, and it's not necessarily from you,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I get. I hear a lot from fans and even
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: from evaluators that talk about him like he's just this,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like drop him in, drop him in the middle of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: your defense, and he's a cure all for like everything
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you have going on against the Run in the past.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he is that specifically from the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Run standpoint. I think he plays more towards for being
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a bigger guy. He plays towards more of the penetration
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and the athleticism that he can kind of have, which
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is also awesome, Like watching him hit that quick swim
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: move that he seems to do like every single game
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: on the snap and you just watch some guard face
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: plant and then he takes two steps and explodes into
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the backfield. Is making a play. It's just it's it's
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: really nice to see. And there are times I've watched
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: so many games on him. I watched nine games on
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: him because every time I think I'm solid, I see
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: somebody like I get in the back of my mind. Man,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: if I really seen everything, am I off on this?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And I like him. I think the ceiling is exciting,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like you talked about, because he has traits that you
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to move like that at like three
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds, and it's not like a fake
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty, like oh, but he really weighs
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like three fifteen. Now he hits a real three thirty.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: He plays at that three thirty, and he moves. He's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: got good lower body like flexibility to be able to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like turn and move. He can adjust. There was one
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that I posted today against oh I don't remember who
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was against, but him and Mason Graham met at the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback and he goes through the center, but the center
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: tries to like push him out towards the right guard,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and he's able to put his left foot in the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: ground and have some ankle flexion and repivot and instead
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of getting kind of ridden upfield and around the quarterback,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: he's able to turn and then go through the guard
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: on his way to the QB. And it's just that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: type of movement with the size that's so intriguing. I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like Kenneth Grant, I don't love him as much as you.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I would not be disappointed if they took him at thirty.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I've always just kind of thought, I guess as we've
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: gone forward, I think it's been a higher there's been
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a higher chance in my mind that I think he
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: could be there. I always just kind of thought both
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he and Derek Harmon would be off the board by thirty,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and now that we've gotten closer, I think there's a chance.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I still think it's a smaller chance that Harmon is there.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance that Grant is there
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: at thirty. But to your point, I think I could
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: see the Bills passing, which is also intriguing, and I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: feel like so many fans of that. I feel like
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that would kill the fan base. So many things would
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: be on that train and could at nite one if
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he's there and they pass on him, I feel like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that would set people.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Bill's mafia get prepared for that. I mean, honestly,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: it's pick thirty, like don't be married as certain outcomes,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that's just a sure fire away to get yourself disappointed. Man.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I feel like I'm probably one of
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the leaders in the clubhouse for the excitement over Kenneth
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Grant and maybe that there's a lot of influence there,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I can't deny the way that I feel,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: But I also I also am not fully convinced he'll
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: be the Bill's pick, even if they have the opportunity
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to pick him.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair, But yeah, I would not be opposed
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to him, you know, being there around one my two
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: biggest things, and you mentioned both of them. Just playing
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a bit high and or like upright at times, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: think gets kind of caught with a narrow base as well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and I think that kind of like results in like
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: some of the horizontal displacement you get from him, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: then you have a pass rush plan piece he'll stall
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: out as a rusher if he doesn't kind of win
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: with that initial move, then he kind of stalls out,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and you're kind of looking for more development from a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: plan perspective, but in getting through more tape. I just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I also think too from a schematic standpoint, playing within
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Wink Martindale's scheme. I don't want to say it did
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: him a disservice in twenty twenty four, but I feel
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like he was doing stuff that wasn't I want to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: see him just I don't want to do a lot
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of games with him, and like, Okay, we got a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: five down front and we're dropping Josiah Stewart into coverage
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna have Grant kind of loop around and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: go one on one with the tackle. Same thing with
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Mason Graham, Like I want him going one on one
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: on the interior with guards or centers and just let him.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Let him play in a one gapping front and just go.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And I think he can anchor well enough. I don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: think he's the run defender he gets made out to be.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: But I mean, he's a guy who offers you some
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: pass rush upside, some run defense upside, all in this
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: size and athleticism package that is rare from a traits piece.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I could get on board with that if
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: he was the guy at thirty. I'm still wrestling with
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: mine right now because of kind of what you said.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So the two for me, I'm in a very similar
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: boat with your initial lead in I think you know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle, corner, edge are the big three right now
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: at this point, I feel very comfortable with the I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: feel most comfortable, i should say, with the edges that
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I think would be available in round two. That for me,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in round one, I'm focused on corner or defensive tackle,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and everything for me comes down to the talent cliffs
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for you, value proposition for me, how much I like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the corners that I think will be there at thirty
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: versus how much I like the corners at fifty six
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: or sixty two. And then the same thing for the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle piece. In an ideal world, for me, the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: most ideal, the most perfect. If Derek Harmon falls to thirty,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I would go with that. I don't think he's gonna
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: be there. I think there's a chance kind of grant
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is there, but I feel like he might not be
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: there yet. I'm gonna stick with my initial gut, and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not just sticking with this because I've been on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it for so long. I've been a fan of this
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: player since a week before the combine. He's gained more
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: traction as we've gone along. I feel like he's kind
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of I feel like he's a big bandwagon pick from
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a corner perspective right now, I'm gonna go with tray
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Amos to start somebody who just fits what I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the Bills to gravitate towards when it comes to a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: corner two. I want somebody who can squeeze passing windows,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: restrict airspace. And his comfortability and effectiveness when playing press
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: is just something I gravitate towards. And his ability to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: stay in phase to a combination of length and footwork
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I like as well. My biggest questions on him were
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: change of direction and long speed. I still do think
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: there's some change of direction questions, and even though he
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: ran like a four four three, I still don't I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if he plays the at that speed,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm not overly too concern And it's the combination
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of his ability again to play that press, to play
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: man stay in phase, but then also the zone coverage capability,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: his ability to fall off and collect when you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: based on the route distribution, to be able to play
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: match coverages against a variety of body types. You know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you're watching him cover Mason Taylor downfield against LSU, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: then he's covering you know, kind of smaller type of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: scat type of receivers outside. Then he's covering your typical
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: protipic like X or even ZS and he can do
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of things from a coverage standpoint. The size
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and frame are intriguing. I don't think he's the most
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: physical or you know, dominant run defender as a corner,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but he's solid enough, he's willing, and he is technical
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to a degree in terms of his force and his fits.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And a lot of this too comes down for me
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the corners that I think will be available, like if
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you could guarantee me, like the next person I'm about
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to say has some off the field stuff, which kind
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of money's like, if you could guarantee me that, like
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Maxwell Harriston would be there at fifty six, or like
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Savonnervel would be there at fifty six. This might change
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: my tune a little bit. And there are other corners
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that I like, like I do like A Z Thomas,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and I do think Ben Morrison is a fun one.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And I have somebody who I really really really really
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: really love who I'm not going to mention right now
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that like has been climbing up my board as we've
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: gone higher in this draft process. But I just really
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: love Trey Amos's game, and I think how he fits
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: his corner too, alongside Christian Benford. And then what I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: think the Bills could still get from an interior defensive
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: line standpoint based on the role I would like them
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to cove it in round two. So I'm going to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: lead off here with Trey Amos for pick thirty.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Trey Amos if it was my other choice, if I
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: didn't go with Kenneth Grant. But what's interesting, and certainly
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: when I get to my analysis for my pick at
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: fifty six, there's a lot of parallels and the reasons
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: why you pick Tree Amos for the reasons that I'm
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: going to pick the corner that I'm going to pick
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: eventually here, but if the Bills do pick a corner
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: in the first round, I think the realistic one that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you'd like to get is Trey Amos because I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: he is the most appropriate value if he were to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: make it to pick thirty, and I do love the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: versatile skill set that he offers. It's funny that you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: mentioned that he doesn't necessarily play to the time speed.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I chalk that up to I think he loves to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: play from the trail and bait throws because I thought
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: there was some vertical separation, but it almost felt intentional
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: to me, where he's like, okay, yeah, go ahead and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: shoot this on the field. I'm going to make a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: play on the ball.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I also think he's a he's a smooth strider, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: those type of guys who have that smooth of a gate,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it makes me feel like, are you like not really
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: running Like I remember one of my notes that I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: was like, is he not yes? Like that, yeah, yes,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And but then you see him stay with guys and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, oh, okay, I guess it's fine. So
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: some of it's the stride and the trail piece that's
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a good call, but.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I would love that selection, and I think the Bills
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: will like his story as well as a Louisiana Sunbelt
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: player that levels up and proves it in the SEC,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what Ocyrus Torrance did with Louisiana to Florida.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So I think this is a very realistic player and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: that the scenario that I'm preparing myself for is literally
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant to be there at thirty in addition to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Treemos and the Bills picking Tremos. I I feel like
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a buzzy trajectory for this pick, but
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: it just it makes a lot of sense, and I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I hope it happens like that. That would that would
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: be a scenario that I'd be very, very satisfied with
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: because I do think you're getting appropriate value where I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just don't know if that would be the case for
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: other corners in this range.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where I'm at, Like I draw the line.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: There was times where I've kind of flirted back and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: forth with Okay, like if they had to go corner
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: round one, would I'd be happy if it was literally
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: anyone else other than Amost and the two that I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: came around most with were Revel and Hairston, but Hairston's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: got some size and frame and tackling concerns that bother
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: me aside from off the field, Like I want to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: put that out there so people know that we're aware
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of it, but also like I don't know what if
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: there's fire to that smoke, what the interview process has
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: been like so all we can do, like we talked
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a eartlier, is just great what the tape is, but
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: some of the size and frame and tackling stuff concerns
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: me a bit. Revel is somebody who I like, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and this is a personal preference type of thing, but
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I think it shows on the tape. High cut guys
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: in general kind of scare me. And then how high
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: cut he is as a corner I think that lead
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you see him not kind of be able to sink
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the hips at times to the top of breaks, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it leads to separation. These pockets of separation get created
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: against him because he is a high cut guy. But
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: on the you know, the inverse of that, he's got
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this long stride that allows him to kind of, you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: make up ground if he does get beat or separation
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: does occur. Those are the other two corners that I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: flirted with, like would I be comfortable with these guys
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in round one? And I've got to the point where
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: if it was one of them, I wouldn't hate it,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm if it's not Amos in round one, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: would probably not look corner. It's kind of where I've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: settled now at this point.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. Yeah, other corners just
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: figure it out in the second round. Amos are I mean,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of course Jay Baron if he hits thirty man, so
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: we'll see. I don't know, I think that guy's going
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to go in the top fifteen.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I'm interested to see what he what
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he comes like. If there is any do teams view
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Barons as an outside guy who can live on a help.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So he had his past year as an outside corner
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: this past year.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I would love him to go to like a team
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that like I think of what the Cardinals do with
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: their DBS, and I'd love him to go to like
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a team like the Cardinals that does like just puts
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: do like goes dime a bunch and just doing crazy
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: things with Buddha Baker and Garrett Williams and like see
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what Baron could do is inside outside, dime linebacker, all
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff. But yeah, his tape of him playing on
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the outside this year and then what you could do
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: again with him on third downs. I feel like that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's an outside corner who can do the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: creative schematic things, which is such a fun option. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I don't see him falling, but I would you is there?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I'll say this and then we'll move on to the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: round two. Guys, is there anyone you would trade up
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for in round one? And if you did, like, how
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: close would it like? Ok, if Baron's there at pick
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: twenty or Mikel. Well, I'm just throwing out names from people.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: They if Mikel Williams is there at like twenty or
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: something like that. Is there anybody for you that you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, I'll trade up? Or are you cool?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Just sitting? No matter what?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So what did what? Did Charles Robinson come out today
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and say that if Baron gets to twenty one that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the Bills could trade up with Pittsburgh and the deal
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: would be thirty. It would be twenty one and eighty
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: three for thirty and fifty six. I do that for
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Baron at twenty one, so thirty and fifty six for
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: twenty one and eighty three. I do that bad at all. Yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I would do that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get a third, you lose one of your seconds,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: but you move up, you get baron, you get a third,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and you still have.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: You still have three picks in the in the day one,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: day two, right, Yes, you.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Still have three picks in the top eighty eighty eighty three.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And the strength of this draft is right there, in
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: my opinion, between rounds two, three and like the start
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of four. So you're still in the meat and the crux.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: You can still address other things. Yeah, I would do that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And you still have one on nine and one thirty two.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: If you wanted to trade up into the third round again,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: do that Dawson Knox trade. So so I like that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: The other thing is less complicated. My willingness to move
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: up in the first round is connected to how high
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: up does one O nine get me? And the math
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: on that and the one and the math on that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: says about pick twenty six, that's fair. So that would
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: be my appetite. And I can understand, like there's some
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: teams with similar needs right around the bills, So I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: could understand how that would be a useful trade up,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: so that that's my trade up appetite for the bills
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in round one.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That's fair. I'm in a similar quote. I I'm also
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: torn again like gin it just over my overall philosophy
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: with how inexactive a science the draft is. I prefer
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: as many swings at the plate as possible, So I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like to keep all of like the picks. But if
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you can in a draft like this where you have
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: so many Day three guys, I don't mind, or Day
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: three picks, I should say, I don't mind trying to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: sacrifice some of that capital to get more Day two
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: who picks or move up slightly in round one. So yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Baron was there in the early twenties, or I'm gonna
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: similar if somebody is there that you really like it
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six, I'm comfortable doing that. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: don't want to sacrifice too much, just because again the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: inexact nature of everything, and I don't want to put
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: too many eggs in one basket, even though it's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: different situation it kind of had. I'm just I'm hesitant
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of all time von Miller all the eggs in that basket.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That basket broke, Like what happened? I don't know. I
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: just sketched out, sketched out any other thoughts on round
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: one before we move on to a round two.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: No, I think we see it pretty similarly. And I
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: think this is where it gets interesting because now you're
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: kind of getting away from the first round and maybe
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: there's some personal flavor that'll trickle into these sticks.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, let's move on to round two where, yeah,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: there is some personal flavor that can kind of trickle
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: in here. And I also think an interesting piece as well.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: The So what I want to do here, let's talk
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: about pick fifty six. First, you do your pick fifty six,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I'll do mine. Then we'll go to sixty two. What
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I do think is interesting here, and I kind of
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: want to ask you this question before you give your answers,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: because the bills right as of right now don't have
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: another pick between sixty two and one oh nine. Does
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of influence you at all in your preference
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of like reaching for somebody, like is there
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: somebody who you think, like, man, this guy is a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: higher ceiling, but I think he's more of like a
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: round three type of guy. I think he's a guy
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't really necessarily initially take a sixty two,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but because they have to wait so long, screw it,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Is there kind of those reachie, are
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: there more reach possibilities for you at sixty two because
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: there's that gap between that and one o nine?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably so. But I think this is where you
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: can talk yourself into trading out of thirty, trading back.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a good chance that Trey Amos is
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: not there at pick thirty or kind of Grant and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: we're really kind of ciphering through the prospects that you
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and I would probably say, yeah, you wouldn't love him
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: at thirty, right, And I think that's what we liked
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: about Grant and Amos is it's like, okay, yeah, that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: would be a you feel like you're getting a first
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: round player. I think there's a good chance the Bills
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: won't get a first round player at pick thirty, And
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that's why trading out makes a lot of sense to me,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: because that would give you that would potentially fill in
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that void of you said sixty two to one o
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: nine that he'll gets you back in the third round.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Brandon means never not had a third round pick, by
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the way, good point. And every time that he entered
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a draft not having a third round pick, he got
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: one to one and it's happened. It's happened three times.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So like it Like this is he wants to pick
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: in the third round, he's going to And so I
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: think you could just like last year's trade back with
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: KC that got them the third round pick that they
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: traded away for Rasoul Douglas. Right, So move back from
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: thirty if certain players aren't there you don't want to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: trade away from. You know, there's certain plays you want
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to trade away from. Yes, so move back, get yourself
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: at three, and then you kind of fill in that void,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and you're still wind up with probably a similar player
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to what you would have got at thirty. Plus you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: have now three picks or well I guess it would
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: be four picks on day two.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm the scenario that I keep thinking that I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: would like from a value perspective, I love the idea of,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like again, just making up spots. But if you can
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: trade back from like thirty into like from literally thirty
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: into like the mid thirties or late thirties and then
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: get a third rounder. I'm like, oh, I'm all about that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: It's the Saints. The Saints at forty. They got to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: come up and get the quarterback, go to forty. I'd
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: do it. Let them do it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh you guys want Jackson Dark Cool, here you go.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But I the chaos of like this the perfect storm scenario.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I think of Kenneth Grant being there at thirty and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the Bills trading out of it. Just the doom that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: would exist with the fan base for like the second
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: year in a row, a trade back and they're number
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: one guy on the board. I just think of like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: this perfect storm of chaos that would result if that happened.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But from a brass tax perspective, I would take it like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: give me, give me that third pick, especially if you've
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: got like a handful of dudes and okay, we're okay.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: If we think these guys will still fall with maybe
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the value isn't right here. I think that's a very
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: very fair point. Yeah, but this day too is really interesting,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: even as just as it sits right now with the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Bills at fifty six and sixty two. So you let
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: off with Kenneth Grant being your start to this draft
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: at pick thirty. Now we're sitting here, it's pick fifty six.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: What do you got here is we continue to build
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: out your perfect Buffalo Bills draft class in twenty twenty five.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: This might be a little bit of a surprise, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it's my personal flavor, okay. And this is the spot
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: where I want to pick the corner.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And you talked about picking Trey Amos because of some
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: of the signals it would give you about how the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Bills could use them and what it means for the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: coverage schemes. It may be being a little bit more
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: aggressive and tighter in coverage. Well, that's exactly why I'm
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: going to go with the corner that I'm picking here.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Jacob Parrish, Oh yeah, okay, I love it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I'm on board, okay.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Jacob Parrish out of Kansas State for two primary reasons.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Number one, I love Jacob Parrish. I think he's a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: freaking good football player. He's young, just turned twenty one
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: in February. My comp for him is DJ and oh,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Kansas State as well, so you kind of get that parallel.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But you know a player that some people might get
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lazy and say, oh, this is a nickel. It's not
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: he's not. He wasn't a nickel corner at three years
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of Kansas State. He's played on the outside, and people
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: think he's small. He's not small. He's just a little short.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: He's on hundred ninety one pounds with thirty one inch arms. Yeah,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: he's just a tick under five ten.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So he's just a share against Oklahoma State and against Arizona,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: two teams with big wide receivers. He battles against him.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: He makes plays like, yeah, he can live on the outside.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I love that, you see that. I'm I'm sorry to you.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited, one hundred percent. Yeah, it's a lazy take,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: but so I love him. And he's a corner with
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a wrestling background, so surely Sean mcdermot's gonna love that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: But so the player aside, I love the player sticky, right,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that's also this dude in man coverage is sticky and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you want to take the air out of routes. It's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: just like Jacob Parrish. Okay, he can he can do that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: The other piece is what this would mean schematically. You know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: if the Bills and were to invest a pick like
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: this in Jacob Parrish, they're telling us that they're gonna
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: play tighter, right, they're gonna you'd be silly. You're not
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: gonna play You're not drafting. You're not drafting Jacob Parish
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: for him to sit in the half turn and play
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: cover three.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You know, like you want to get in the face
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: of guys. You want him to play mirror match. You
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: want he's you know, he's a physical downhill player as well,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that could tackle. You want to tap into all the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: things that he would bring. So I love the player,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: but I also love what the player would mean for
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the scheme. And so if you're gonna wait on the corner, boy,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: give me this guy. I mean, there's other guys that'd
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: be happy with, but realistic, I think you can get
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: him at fifty six. I'd be over the moon if
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that's the direction the Bills went with their high pick
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: at corner.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Oh man, So I'm I oh, I think I posted
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: him being like one of my guys that I love,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And I think you commented like last week, I say,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I think we talked about Paris a little. But yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I was on Twitter when that happened. He's somebody who
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I came on to two weeks ago, three weeks ago,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: as I was kind of finishing corner, and initially when
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I watched him, he was like, my my perfect hope
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: is okay, you take a corner on day one or
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: day two. And then this was before Trey White, even
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: though I don't think that necessarily holistically changes how you
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: should be the corner room, but my thoughts going into
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: this draft at that time was get yourself a corner early,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: get yourself another corner on day three. And my perfect
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: like my dream scenario was Amos at thirty and then
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Jacob Parrish at like one oh nine. And then as
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I started going forward, I was like, you don't think
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be there in round four? And then I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: watched more and I was like, okay, you don't have
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to get a third round pick. And now so I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: literally have in my notes written here for the second round,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I wrote, if they GOCB at fifty six or sixty two,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and and and it's the most ideal world
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: maybe potentially savone novel or Maxwell Harriston fall, but my
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the deal target based on evaluation plus realistic shot of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: being there is Jacob Parrish.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I just trust it, brother, Trust it the tape.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And so those who don't know Joe gave some some
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: piece of formc SO five ten one hundred and ninety
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: one pounds four three five forty good explosion and speed
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: testing as well. Eighty eight percentile on the broad jump,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: seventy second percentile on the vert seventy fifth percent out
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: for his ten yards split. Uh, somewhat shorter arms, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: not too short. He's in the twenty eight percent out
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: for arm length. My comp for him because of the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: inside outside and the tenacity. They're not the same body
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: type of the same necessarily like frame fit. I mean
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: this in a very very positive way. I keep calling
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: him a poor man's Trent McDuffie, but Trent McDuffie's an
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: all pro corner, so a poor version of that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Mcduffey wishes he had Jacob Parrish's length.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: That's fair, Nick, Yeah, I was say mcduffey's got him
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and my Creer are both like the t Rex arms
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Kings in that draft class. The one the first game
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I watched of his was against Arizona State, and watching
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: him fit on duo and sticks scataboo in the hole
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the first time he gets different. That's different he fits
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: The first time he fits him, it's chest on knee,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful formed up tackle gets him. He's down. The second one,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it's a third and one, and he meets him at
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the line and drops him like full body shoulder into
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: same like, same same leg, same shoulder bang, pops him,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: drops him down. I think Scat falls forward and gets
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the first down by like a half an inch, but
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Paris popped him, and I it like pirked me up
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: big time. And I just kept watching more and more
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and more the inside, outside, versatility, the just everything that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: he brings. I also like he's got good feet, he's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: got calm, quiet feet, he's got a good kickstep even
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: when he's in off, and he's kind of like backing
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: up and playing zone a little bit. His ability to
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: locate the football, I just I feel like in my notes,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I kept writing like physical and tenacious, over and over, real, twitchy,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: good breaks on the ball, He drives and he closes quickly.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, like you put him in press and
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the lethleticism, the feet translate like he can soft shoe
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: press all day. But then he also likes physicality, so
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: he'll give you a true press. He'll jam you, like
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: he'll stick a hand or two right in your chest,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: so you got to chop him off to get him
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: off you, but then he's still right there in your
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: pocket and in phase and attached to you. I like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: his tape so much. The biggest concerns I have for
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: him or and again I hate going with this because
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: because he's smaller, it's necessarily not Bigger bodies at times
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: give him issues on blocks and then the breaks and routes,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: like there's times where bigger receivers kind of like go
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: through him at collision points and he goes down a bit.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And then every once in a while on his footwork,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I call it like he double clutches at times when
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: planning and driving, Like he'll be in like a pedal
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and he drops and instead of just like singing the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: hips and going, it's almost like he bang bang and
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: then goes forward. But then there's good explosion coming out
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of it. He's one of my favorite players in this
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: entire class. I love him tremendously, and this is yeah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: if that I've he's crept up. So I'm gonna finish
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: my corner rankings and put it out either tomorrow or
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: probably Thursday, morning or afternoon. He's crept his way significantly
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: into my top ten. I just need to figure out
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: where just I just love his game so much.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Sounds like you should be pretty high. You've just salivated
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: over this that Gigs guy for like five minutes.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: He's so good. It's just it's just and you don't
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: get that type of it's the coverage ability with like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the ability to play the run. And I feel like
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he gets used so much because oh, you're talking about
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: him as a good run defender. That means because like
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: he can't cover, like no, he can cover and fit
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: in the run is freaking important now in football, especially
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to play these two high structures like
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the Bills doing cool. You want to play some cover two.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: That means that cloud corner is your force defender on
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the outside. He got to come up and fit the run.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And you're gonna play these teams that want to run
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: duo and they want to get that outside corner to
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: be the block guy and let their running back bounce
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it cool. Can you're running back outside or I'm sorry,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: can your corner outside come up and stick somebody? Paris
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: can stick anybody like it doesn't matter how big they are.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, oh, I like that a lot. I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: super happy that you said, parish Man, I.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Think we're good here. I mean sounds like yell, you
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: both love this one at fifty six. That's a good pick.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I like that. Well done, all right, So I'll go
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: with my fifty six and so again I went with
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Trey A. Mos at thirty. So here is where I'm
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: looking for interior defensive line. Now at this point you
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: talked about it with Kenneth Grant, like, obviously you want
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, a run defender, but you want
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: somebody who can still you know, penetrate make plays behind
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the line. And you still obviously get somebody who can
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: still be some semblance of or have some semblance of effectiveness,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I should say, in rushing the quarterback in a super
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: super ideal world. I'm gonna talk out of both sides
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of my mouth a little bit here. If Tyleek Williams fell,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I'd be all over this. I don't think he's gonna fall,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: even with the injury concerns. I love Tyleek william what
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: he is as a run defender from a physicality standpoint,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: but also from a block, recognition and scheme understanding standpoint.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I love like you watch like his hit, the guard
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: in front of him is pulling, He's immediately getting his
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: eyes to the tackle, and he recognizes the scheme. He
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: flows down the line, makes the stop like. He's a
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: very heady player in addition to being a mountain of
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a man, physical, violent inside. Not the best pass rusher,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: but I think he has more athleticism in juice than
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: he gets credit for. Not like Kenneth Grant, but he
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: can create some knockback. He can compress the pocket or
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: compromise the depth of the pocket a little bit, but
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: he's still primarily a run defender. All that being said,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: if he fell, I'm jumping at him at fifty six.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna fall. Also, somebody who I'd
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: be very interested with at fifty six is Darius Alexander
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: from Toledo. I don't think he's gonna be there either.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: His I initially thought of him like, okay, the length
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and the size and what he can do as a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: pass rusher, but he was a much better run defender
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: than I thought he was gonna be. I know the
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: game I keep going to I know Mississippi State isn't
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: a pot, but they're still a team with the SEC
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and some size and talent on the offensive line, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: watching him drop the knee and anchor as a run
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: defender inside really got me excited for what he could be.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I think he's better as a three tech and primarily
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: in that role, but with his size and length and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: frame and what the Bills have done primarily at one tech,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I could see him being a one for the Bills
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: dayway he's at three hundred and five pounds. They had
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: daikuon shed weight to be basically between three oh seven
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and three ten for his ten year here with the Bills,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: so I don't think it's out of the realm of
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: possibility that he plays one. In him and Ogunjobi, who
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Ogunjobe can play someone a little bit, although I think
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: he's more of a three as well, but I think
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: he could get by this year still have some effectiveness
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: geared more towards penetration, and then you have Alexander being
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the three next year. If Ogun Joey has a caback
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever, I think both of those guys would be
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: really fun. I don't think they're going to be there,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: so my pick at fifty six based on need and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the most realistic option, I think Alfred Collins from Texas.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Now I'll start with the negative because this is what
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: concerned the most. There's just not really anything from a
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: pass perspective with Alfred Collins. He's got this spin move
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that he just doesn't do any like. He just stands
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in place as he spins. He doesn't go anywhere with it.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of plan moves, skill set anything
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: from a pass RUSS perspective. It's more of, Okay, can
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I use my very long arms and just knock somebody
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: back and kind of do something with that. So you're
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: not gonna get a ton of pass rush pop from
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Alfred Collins. But what he is as a run defender prototypical,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: one tech textbook stack and shed, the hand placement, the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: violence in his hands, the pop in his hands, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: just with those extremely long arms eighty five inch wingspan.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: It's the second largest for any defensive tackle measured at
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the combine in the last three years, and his arm
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: length is the seventh largest for any defensive tackle measured
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: in the last three years. And he plays to it power, leverage,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: strength inside, He's just chucking dudes to the ground left
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and right when he's shutting them like chuck and tackles
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and guards the violence on the inside. He's just the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: nass kicker against the run. And what he could bring
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: from a force multiplier standpoint, this is the way I
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: kind of like reason it, like, okay, because you're not
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of pass rush pop. But I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: think what he could do in terms of helping the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Bills defense from a light box perspective is I think
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: it's a bit of a force multiplier aspect, and so
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you're playing numbers in coverage, relying on the other three
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: guys to kind of generate some pass rush. But just yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: what he does on or against the run, against the
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: ground game, just everything for him is just he's limiting
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: displacement and he's literally throwing guys out of gaps while
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: not getting moved out of his I think he's a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: real plus plus plus run defender. If he was just
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: average as a pass rusher, I think he'd be a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: first round player like Solid. If he was just average,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: he's unfortunately, in my estimation, below that. But I think
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: he fills a niche role which could help them now
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and beyond. So he would be my pick at fifty
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: six based on his skill set and the realistic nature
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: that he's there.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: What I'd love about Alfred Collins is how much I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: think the rest of the front the front seven in general,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: could benefit from him. You know, obviously the Bills like
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to play like boxes, but they also play with a
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: lot of lighter players on the second level. I mean,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: where you know, Terran's gonna have to fill the b
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: gap at times. Torel Bernard's not big. He's two hundred
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and twenty load, two twenty five something like that. Milano's
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: not huge, and so I think when you have this
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: type of presence that you know, not only is a
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: space eater that can occupy blocks and be firm, but
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: you know, really allow those guys to run to the football,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to get more out of those players.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And like you said, not a huge pass rush profile,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: but if you do want to have him as the
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: guy that can kind of like cave and create lanes
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and angles for other guys, like I think he can
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: be a pocket pusher to get some value there. Well,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: you know he's not going to be a good one
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: v one, you know, beating guys. I think he can
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: help the rest of the rush group at times. Of course,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: you know too many you're not putting this guy on
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the field, but you know there's situations where he can
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: help you. He's not a complete loss cause on passing downs.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I wonder if the Bills are in on him. I
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: don't you know what I mean, Like, I wonder.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: But he's a guy that again, like doesn't necessarily fit
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: the profile from a style standpoint, because they want again
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: if it needed to put in perspective, they're getting displaced
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: left and right last year on the interior and you
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: have Ileankhu sitting there. They didn't care. They were like, no,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: give me Quittin Jefferson, give me Jordan Phillips, give me
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the pass rush over the run defense. Which is why again,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: like someone like Darius Alexander, I think like fits their profile,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: even though people will be like, but he's only three
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: oh five, he's more of a three. But the Bills
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: would play a guy like that at one.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Josh Farmer, I think is another guy that really
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: fits the Bills in terms of their their one tech preferences.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree. Farmer's a guy who I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I like him, but I have more of a hard
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: three on him. But I can understand him creeping into
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the second round because again, you have that gap between
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: fifty six and sixty two and one oh nine, and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's just I described Josh Farmer as being literally like
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: a battering ram with arms attached to it. I just
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: think of like what the Orcs tried to do in
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the second Lord of the Rings, where they're trying to
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: bash down a battering ram forward back, and that's just
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: what Farmer is. This linear, straight line, get off explosion.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: He's gonna run through you, and it's terrifying when it happened.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: He plays like King Kong thirty man yep, long arms,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: which fits the profile. They like it can anchor a bit,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: but also can get some penetration and some juice. I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: do think, yeah, he is h Yeah, he's in that
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: realm as well for them, all right. I like where
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: we're at right now. I like the Parish pick. I
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: kind of don't want to do anything after that because
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: my excitement will not.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I feel like that was the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: we peaked right ter. I was like, I don't know,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: the rest of the show is not going to be
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that good, there's nowhere to go but down. I thought
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: you might have been a little surprised that I did that.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I just I don't get it's cool to see again
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: because I keep my head in the sand on like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: everyone's analysis, like I'm not. I'm not consuming any draft
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: content aside from watching tape and doing my charts and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: evaluations and building out my board. So all these thoughts
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I had have art to myself, like and and so
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here having conversations with myself at midnight watching
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Kansas State versus Oklahoma State, and I'm like, man, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: really like Jacob Parrish. I think he's going to be
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: in my top ten. And I'm like, is that crazy?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't have anyone to talk to about it
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to be spoiled. So it's cool
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: to see someone who I respect organically be in that
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: realm with me. And it was, yeah, it was super cool.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I've yeah, it was very very pleased with that.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: So we've gone thirty and fifty six, We've each gone
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: corner and defensive tackle, and now we sit here at
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: pick sixty two for the Bills, their second pick in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: round two. What do you got for pick sixty two?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: AP I want upside, you know, That's what I'm looking for.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I want these defensive players to not only help the
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Bills evolve schematically, but have a ceiling that's exciting to
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: develop into, not baseline and you can get a solid player.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I want chances to get some real, real impact guys.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And so we're going to take a swing here. And
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: maybe this is a player that kind of fits into
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the pitfall that you were talking about, where maybe you'd
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: rather pick him in the third, but you're kind of
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: without the third, so you kind of have to pick
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: him a little bit higher.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I think your answer is what my answer is, I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: can I I'm sorry to continue. I think I kind
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: of want to guess it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: You can guess it. I'll tell you.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Is it all the day?
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Ho oh brother olu Ola day who ho? Sorry, UCLA.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: The ceiling here is just really high. Is six three
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: two sixty thirty three and three eights on the arm length.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: This guy played stackbacker firm up until two games into
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the season this year, and he goes in, he transfers, transfers,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: transitions down to playing on the edge, and what this
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: guy showed in you know, the back ten games or
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: whatever of the season is just really really tantalizing, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: it's about upside. I mean, what's very impressive of what
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: he put on tape. He's quick, he's long, he's bendy,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: he's got power at the point of attack. He's got
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: a dense build. I think he might have the best
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: motor in the class. I think that maybe Josiah Stewart
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: and ty Robinson and maybe even Tyleek Williams might have
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: something they want to say about the motor. But this
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: guy's off the charts man, an unrelenting football player, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of course he's a work in progress. He's not even
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: played a season on the edge. But that's what I'd
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: love about him as the idea here that the need
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: that the Bills have on the edge is not really
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: about anything right now. It's about Joey Bosa as an
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: expiring contract in ajpiness as an expiring contract, and the
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: boast of things is gonna go one or two ways.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: It's either gonna not work and the Bills are not
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: gonna want him back, or it's gonna work and he's
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: gonna hit age thirty one in free agency. With his
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: last chance to get a big deal, and he's gonna
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: go get a big deal and it's not gonna be
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: from the Bills. So it's a one year thing with
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Bosa at Panessa. Is he gonna get a third contract
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: from the Bills?
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: What I mean?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Is like a like a perfectly fine, like rotational fourth
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: defensive end. Is that a three contract player? So I'm
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: thinking about this guy really for twenty twenty six. And
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: this is the type of player that I mean. If
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: this player, this guy spent his entire college career on
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the edge, we might be talking about Michael Parsons or
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Jamin Walker. So let's go ahead and pull the trigger
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: here at the end of the second round, even if
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: it's a red shirt year. But I feel confident this
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: guy could play teams. Yeah, I mean, Javon had Solomon
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: was like a four phace teams player. Surely, surely this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: guy could be. He's actually played in space, yep. So
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: it's all about stealing an upside a swing athletes potential
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: high impact. That's that's what this comes down to for me.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And is it early maybe, But I don't care.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Man, I love the guy, so I I really don't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: have too much to add. You essentially said everything. It's funny.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: It's funny too because some of what you said, you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and I talked about when I was last time locked
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: on with you, and we talked about that Bosa proposition,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: like if I did the too likely outcomes, he either
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: balls out and gets back to form, and then he
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: leaves on probably like a two year thirty six million
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: dollars two year forty million dollar deal that the Bills
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: aren't bringing him back on, or he gets banged up again.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: And then if you're the Bills, do you really want
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: to dip back into that water again next year? And
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: then aj Panessa is a UFA. Next year, You've got
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: like just this interesting edge grouping that technically, on paper,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you don't need anyone for twenty twenty five, but you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: kind of do because you know what are getting out
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: of Solomon Hoyts got that suspension, You've got aj Panessa.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: But then next year, even more so, like you said,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and for a guy who, yeah, moved from off ball
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: backer to edge mid season, you let him continue to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: simmer and develop a little bit. What I really liked
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: about his tape was watching him be able to put
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: things together and learn on the fly in games, but
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: also through this and like watching him play edge in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: is what like week two or three when he first
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: started versus watching him play edge towards the end of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the year. The difference in recognition and an angles and understanding,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: like there was real practical application to him starting to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: understand how to play the edge position from a mental standpoint.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: That gave me a ton of hope. So I was like,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: it's not just traits, like this is an example of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: a guy like and you could see it in games,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like he'd get beat on a run or a play
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: early in the first quarter and a team would come
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: back to in the third and wouldn't happen again. Or
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: he'd get beat on that concept in week two or three,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: they'd run it early in like week eight or week nine,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: not getting beat anymore. And then you add that with
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: just the length, the strength, the power, the pad level,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: eighty second percentile for his vertical jump, seventy second percentile
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: for the broad jump, forty fifth percentile for arm length.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: There's just explosion and athleticism within his game. They also
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: did really cool stuff with him at U say similar
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to him, like what the Rams did with Hoyt like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: that's spinner type of role where you're lining him up,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you know, inside in the a gap or they're lining
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: him head up on the center. I also think from
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: an athleticism standpoint, he fits in very nicely with I'm
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: a huge fan of simulated pressures and creeper pressures. As
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: you know, now you got this really fun outside you
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: know player at edge who you can do some spinner
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: stuff with, but also is functional enough as a low
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: hole player or a spot dropper at certain elements for
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: you know, creepers and sims. I just I really like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: his game. And then even just the technicality of him
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: throwing that cross chop that he does, and it varies
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: in effectiveness, but him throwing it, the timing was good,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: and then as the season went on he got more
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: effective with it. And you you know, you do need
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: to see more development from a plan perspective with the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: pass rush or his pass rush arsenal, But I just
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: have fate. I do have faith that that will happen
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: as he moves forward, because he is so new to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the position and you saw real tangible improvement from him
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: in this past year. And yeah, and then like you said,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of he's the perfect guy to like,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: let simmer and let's sit for a year, continue to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: learn and develop, play here and there as you need
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: him to, and then twenty twenty six you really let
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: him hit the ground running. And Yeah, also, like you said,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: he's a guy who I have more. I have more
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: of a third round grade on him. But because of
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the upside and because of the big gap between sixty
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: two and one oh nine, he's somebody that I I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: shot up my board a bit and would have no
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: problem with taking him at sixty two. The only other
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: edge that I have there that who I really like,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: But I think there's a chance he probably goes before
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I do. Like JT. Twoey Molowile from Ohio State. Yeah,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and he also fits their mold like power compression, plays
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the run, but he's not. What I like about him
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: is he's not completely stiff. There is some lower body
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: flexibility and movement to his game. There is some juice
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: that pairs with that power, which is why he's so
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: effective as a speed to power guy. He's got some
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: length with him, he's got some hand usage. I like
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the that he you know, you have that level of
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: competition that he's faced for years at Ohio State, the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: effectiveness that he had within that defense. I think he
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I like his play style. I think his play style
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: fits in with what the bill's like. I think there's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: a chance he's there at sixty two, and if he
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and and Oladeho were both there, it's a bit of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: a fight in my heart. But I really do think
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to be gone ahead of there. I think
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: his floor is like a high end EDGE three, and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I think his ceiling is like a mid or a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: high tier EDGE two, which is awesome. And that just
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: makes me think he's gonna go earlier than sixty two.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I wrestled with that as well. My my list, my
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: short list for Edge was JT. T am Moloau out
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: of Ohio State and Landon Jackson as well. And I'm like,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: those guys are they're not getting sixty two? Yeah, Like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I got I gotta I gotta be real here, So
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: that's saying. I was like, I gotta go with with
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Ola Dejo and I can you know, get in get
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: into this soapbox about upside So yeah, that's fair.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh yeah, I like the for like, oh
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: the most idea, Well, I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that. We're interesting on the same page.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's so, was that your pick for sixty two?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? All the day?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we were aligned there, all right? So we
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: you went corner dtackle, I went d tackle corner, and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: then we both landed there. That's fun.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. I like that, and I think that's I do
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: think that, not just kind of patting ourselves on the back,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: but I do think that makes a lot of sense
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: from i'm i'm I could see the alternating either way.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Could be cornerd tackle, could be detackle corner. I think
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that could happen either way. I think edge makes the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: most sense with that third pick in the first three
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: picks that they got, just based on who's going to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: be there, and I do I think all the day
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: he was a very realistic shot of being there, and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: then you pair him with the need and everything. I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: think that could be a slam dunk pick.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I like to. We're on the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: same page there.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Now, let's pick or anything else on day two before
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: we move to day three.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I'm good cool.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: All right, Now we're gonna move to day three because
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: of the wealth of picks that the Bills have. On
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: day three, we're going to talk about Day three more
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: in terms of high level broad like kind of the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: positions we'd like address. We will, you know, mention some
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: specific players if there's really anyone on our mind that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: we really gravitate towards. But this is more of a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: high level discussion on day three because I don't want
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: to keep Joe here for four hours while we break
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: down every single possible pick the Bills have. So, Joe,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: when it comes to day three, where's your head at
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: in terms of the Bills kind of bringing home your
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: you know, perfect or ideal draft class for them here
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got boxes to check here on day three,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: and I think a lot about filling out the roster
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and roster ability and just some holes that exist that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: are not glaring, but stuff that's worth talking about. So
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I'll give you my inventory and I'll try to shoot
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: some names in along the way here. I would like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: to see the Bills out a receiver and a meaningful
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: receiver in terms of skill set. I want speed. I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: love for them to get a field stretcher, and based
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: on the guys they've been meeting with, that's clearly what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: they're looking at. They're looking at day three speed receivers. Yeah,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: but you can't just be a fat man that doesn't
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: do anything for me. You got to be able to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: do something else. Of course, you got to be fast
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and track the ball down the field and give a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: legitimate vertical receiving skill set. But there has to be
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: something else because or else your Marquez veled the scantling
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: and you're just not rosterble. You can't just be the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: guy that runs down the field. You have to play
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: teams or have a return value, be a physical blocker.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking for a receiver that can win down
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: the field and then either provide return upside. Because I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: don't think Brandon Codrington is safe on this team, and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. There's a great trade
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: for the Bills, but I think in Sean McDermott's heart,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: he hates that there's no there's nothing else that he gives,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you know, Like even towards the end of the year,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: they were moving towards Johnson and Davis on kick returns.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: You can't just be a part return ye, Like, there's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: no value on playing corner. He doesn't cover kicks and punts.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: You can't just be a put return.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: So if you give me a field stretcher that can
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: also be the punt returner. Hi Tory Horton out of Colorade. Yeah,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you know, Hi, come on down, you can come do this.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: That'd be great. Will trade one nine thirty two to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: get you at eighty five, right, that'd be perfect there. Yeah,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Or like an Isaac Tesla out of Arkansas that I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: think vertical receiving ability all the confidence in the world. Yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: might be the best blocking receiver in the class. But
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: also I have total confidence in his ability to cover
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: kicks and punts and walk I'll kick some putts, so
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: that's valuable. That's so wide receiver five like beautiful. I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: need that.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I think the Bills need a tight end three. I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: think they need a draft a tight end three that's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: going to make this roster. Quentin Morris has kind of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: been that guy, and maybe he's the fallback, like if
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: maybe if the draft doesn't go a particular way, he'll
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: come back to Buffalo. But I think he was probably
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: looking for an opportunity, right like, yeah, you know it's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: it's a He's been a great forface special teamer, gets
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: on the field a little bit, catches some crazy touchdown
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: every single year. But you know, I think that right
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: now it's Zach Davidson. Zac Davidson then ring year five.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: The dude hasn't done anything in the NFL. I know
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: he's a fun training camp, preseason guy, and that's great.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be awesome, but he's uncompeted with right now
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: to be the tight end three. So draft some tight
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: end that I think gives you in lineability but has
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: a special team's profile. Some names I like Mitchell Evans
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: out of Notre Dame. I like Thomas Faddona out of Nebraska.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: All right, so you like him too. Those are some,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: don't the u c l A kid? The kid names
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: hard to pronounce. Modivallo.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I give up. I've said so many names wrong
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: this cycle. His name is one I'm going to go with.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: So those are some names that I like at the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: tight end position. I want a defensive tackle double dip.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I talked earlier about what this rotation looks like.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Right now, give me one give me two right, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I'd love what I'd love though the guy really love
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: give me Ty Robinson out of Nebraska. I think he's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: I think he's Taylor made for the the duan smooth
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: shack losson role where he can you know, play the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: five tech on rundowns and then reduce inside and rush
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and the guy's award Daddy Man. Just a player that,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: like from a play demeanor standpoint, you love. You'll just
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: love the way he plays. So I'd love that type
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: of player to be added, especially if they go with
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: more of a nose tackle. You know, I think that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: type of player, So give me the defensive tackle double dip.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I'd love to draft a linebacker that can bump Bayalen
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Spector off this roster and give them even more intriguing depth.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: If this is Milano's last year, I think Dorian Williams
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: is in line to be the starter in twenty twenty six,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: but I'd like there's to be some good competition there
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: and and depth. Right, Like, Dorrin Williams has had to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: play a lot, so somebody needs to be Dorian Williams.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: If Dorin Williams is now going to be a starter, sure,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: so that's a box I'd love to check. I'd love
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: to get an into your offensive lineman. Maybe get ahead
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: of some some needs there. Connor McGovern David Edwards, both
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: expiring contracts. Did not love what mister McGovern said to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: you and Eric Turner there at the end of the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: episode that had some contract discussions those have been tabled.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Would love to stay in buff but business is business,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: and said he left money on the table to come
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: to Buffalo originally. Look at the center market, man, Look
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: at what Cam Jorgen just got seventeen million a year,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Drew Dolman got year for me, You have a governent's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: better than those guys, so or he's at least in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: the ballpark, right, This is probably every bit.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Of a still the ability to get like ten to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: eleven mil twelve million year like with what the market's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: been yet salary keeps going up, so the chance he
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: could be at that next year well.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: And then so you have Edwards and mcgovernor on the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: last year of the deal. And then you have Osirius
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Torrens who's extension eligible after this year.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: And the guard market is booming crazy last year and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: this year. Everybody had d so you could be he
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: could push twenty million a season. So well, here's what
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I do. An INTI your offensive line, I say, ay Cromer,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: who you want? Yes, okay, cool, we'll pick that. We'll
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: get them. We got whatever one you want. That's that's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: that's my solution there. And then give me a punter, man,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: give me a punter. Okay, you know we got we
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: got Jake Camarda and Brad Robbins. Brad Robbins is the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: worst punter in the league in twenty twenty three, like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: literally the worst punter in the league. And I it's funny.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I actually put out a tweet early in the season.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I get twenty twenty four, I said, I think the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: biggest positional upgrade in the entire NFL was the Bengals
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: going from Brad Robbins at punter in twenty twenty three
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: to this It was Sam Recouliser punter this year. I said,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: that's the biggest positional upgrade any team's made in the league.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And so and then he gets he gets cut in
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and doesn't get another opportunity. Jay Camarta
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: cut in twenty twenty four, doesn't get another opportunity if
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: those are the two players right now, that could be
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the Bills punter, get one, you know how don't get one?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Get one in the draft, and I don't it probably
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: cut Brad Robbins. And because Kmart at least had two
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: seasons of like pretty good punter, I don't know if
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: he got the yips. I don't know what happens. That's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: crazy to be a fourth round punter, to be perfectly
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: good for two years and then four games into year
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: three you're cut for performance nuts and the next thing
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you. You don't even have it, you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: don't get another chance.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I know. Like that the fact that he like didn't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: pick up again with somebody else right away, I thought
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: that was so super weird.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: But these are the guys right now, you know, So
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: that's that's the piece. Is the punter. So a speed
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: receiver that does something else besides vertical receiving, tight end
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: three double dip at D tackle, linebacker for depth with
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: some upside. I didn't give any names there. I love
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Bassa out of Oregon UH safety convert matchup stylebacker
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: poop Paul ole Miss. I think he's I mean, I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna fit a lot of teams because
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: of the size profile. But he's literally the same size
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: as uh to Lbernard Sean Dolac Buffalo. I think is
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: another guy like those types of players, like not necessarily
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: my favorite, but they're billsy so they would make sense
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: to me. I'm punter. That's I think that, that's that's
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: my that's my day. Three boxes a check right there.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I like it a lot, and I this will be
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: a decently short segment because it's essentially what I got.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I still wouldn't mind them getting another corner
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: at some point, I'll add, just because Trey is on
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: one year deal, Dan Jackson's on one year day.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And did you hear the way Bean talked about Dane
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Jackson today?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I did not, Oh brother, it was just an absolutely
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: he said he can go for go on in an
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: hour about Trey White and Dan Jackson. What these guys
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: mean and so great?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is nice, Like I'm happy that both of
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: them came back. I think their quality depth, good.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Guys the rooms, you know, like kyri Elon didn't play teams.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I thought JaMarcus Ingram was the best special teamer this
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: team had last year.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: He played well, and I like some of what Ingram did.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: But even even if you think Trey and Dane are
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: the answer this year, they're both on one year deals.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: JaMarcus Ingram is an RFA next year. So you're outside
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: corner room. Even if you take Amos, so you take
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Parish or whoever, if it's Ramel or Harriston, whoever the hell.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: If you take an outside corner, you need another corner.
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  Speaker 1: So I like the idea of them, you know, grabbing
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: another corner here somewhere on day three. And then I'm hoping,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they turn into another Christian vnfor
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. You get some kind of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: good value out of that. So I would like another
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: corner on day three. It really kind of depends on
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: where you go on day three, you know, kind of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: throwing out some names. I initially thought, I mean here,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I thought, no, Williams would be like a solid pick
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  Speaker 1: in round four. I don't think he's gonna be there,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: going okay, So that's fair. So yeah, and then you're
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting in a lot of like I don't mind
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Zia Alexander from LSU, but I prefer more like a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: fifth or later. But if he creeped into like the fourth,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't hate that. Dorian Strong from Virginia
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Tech does some fun things that I like. I also
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: like the other cal corner Marcus Harris watching really nice
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: juice like he plays fast, good feet, physical him and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: uh their safety Craig Woodson number two are just out
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: like level and dudes like left and right. There was
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: a big hit initially that I thought it was Woodson
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and I read the number wrong because bringing the all
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: twenty two camera angle looks like it's from the NASA
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  Speaker 1: space station with how far it is, and it was
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: five not two, because Harris came over and just clocked
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh so, Marcus Harris is somebody
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: who I like. Laid on day three from a corner
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: perspective receiver, you hit it. I like Tory Horton two
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: years ago. I watched him on with Colorado State this year.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Banged up limited in some action, but you still see
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: that vertical stretchability in what he offers. I also liked
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: them when he gets the ball in his hands, you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: see some of the pump returner aspect show up he's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: got some shake. He can juke some guys. It's not
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: just like always fast. So let's get him the ball
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: on a drag and see if he can outrun somebody.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Like he can put his foot in the ground, he
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: can shake guys. Also has a little bit of a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: nastiness to him, like he'll plant some guys as a blocker.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: If you're not looking, he'll crack on a linebacker or safety.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, the specialties value. So give me somebody
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  Speaker 1: that can be the field stretcher with some yards after catch,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: slash shake potential when he gets the ball, but also
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: be the punt returner. I'm all aboard on that. I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: also like Kaya Williams from Washington State, and I know
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are high on I just think
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: he's gonna I mean, even to your point Horton though,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned the trade upiece, I think Horton and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams with this receiver class probably going round three.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: H Like, I don't think they're gonna be there at
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: one O nine, So then you got to trade up
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: to kind of get one of those guys and then
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: into your O line. You said it perfectly like there's
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: a chance we're sitting here next year and both Connor
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: McGovern and David Edwards are both gone, And then are
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: you starting Alec Anderson at guard? Are you starting Cedric
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: van pran Grainger at center?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: What's the depth look like behind them? Even if even
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: if you keep McGovern and Anderson takes Edwards's spot, Okay,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: who's taken the Anderson spot? It'd be nice if they
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: kind of had that guy already been in the building.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And I love your tap of just you're sitting there
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: on day three and being like Cromer, it's our pick.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Who do you want? Like, we're gonna taken into your
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman here, grab whoever you want. I also would
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: like another interior defensive lineman. I've been banging the drum
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: for this guy. I would like him to cut a
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: little bit of weight, just so he stops teetering as
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: much when he moves. But I really like Jamari call
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Well from Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I love him. Yeah, yeah, I think you get
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I think he get eighty five ninety percent of Ti
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Leak Williams in him. Wow, high praise. Yeah, that's not crazy.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: He's dropped hundred player for me. I like him at all.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, he his ability to limit displacement and like he
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: drops that knee and it is picturesque. Like his ability
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: to reduce his surface area and split a double team
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and or anchor against it is great. And then at
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pounds, the one that you know,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: just the movement for him, the one that really got me.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: When they play Michigan and they sub in Orgy, super
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: mobile athletic quarterback, and granted it's into the boundary, so
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: it's not a huge run, but Orgie keeps it on
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: like a read. Caldwell sees it and he chases Orgy
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: down to the sideline and pops him and knocks him
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: ont of bounds. And I was like, I'm in sign
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: me up. And there's so many. Every time I was
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: watching for Harmon or trying to see what, you know,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Birch was doing on the defensive line, I just kept
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: noticing ninety and Caldwell kept popping and flashing, and I
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: really do think he can be a quality rotational body
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: in this league. And again, short arms I don't love,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: but he just does so many other things so well
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: that I think he would be a real quality rotational
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: guy this year and going forward, so he again interior
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: defensive line. In general, he's a guy I would really like.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Ty Robinson's a cool one that you mentioned. I remember him.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I watched some tape him obviously as well, but I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: remember watching Nebraska versus Colorado live, and he just ate
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Colorado's offense alive from the interior, from the five chasing
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: down schadur left and right like Wardad, he's a great
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: way to label him. And even though he's under like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, he's just he's built so thick and stocky,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Like it's just because it's.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: It's a refrigerator and you put a helmet on top
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: of it. That's what he is. Bang And he's literally
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: a refrigerator.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, literally it just yeah, solid steel. Like there's
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: nothing like Denton him or anything. It's he's just a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: monster of a dude. Give me that linebacker, like you mentioned,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: I'm in on board on that as well. A couple
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: guys that I would like later on day three. I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: like Jack Kaiser from Notre Dame. I like Cody Simon
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: from Ohio State, just physical downhill, better in coverage than
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I think he gets credit for. Not necessarily a plus
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: guy there but his ability to just diagnose what's happening
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: in front of him. Granted, he's got a lot of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: talent playing in front of him at Ohio State, but
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: if you turn on Ohio State tape, for as much
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: as Jtt's popping and Tyleek is popping and Caleb downs
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: is popping, wats zero, Cody Simon just run all over
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: and chase things down sideline a sideline and make plays
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: in the backfield. I like him as well. I also
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't hate the idea of another later developmental edge, but
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily a huge need if we
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: go there early in the first three picks, which I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: think they will. And yeah, so those are just a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: couple of little my sie ancillary notes, but I was
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: pretty much at a lockstep with you for the entirety
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: of those Day three aspects. And it's nice that they
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: have all the wealth of those picks. I really do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: think they could address a lot of depth or some
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: future things, or some good special teams value. Like there's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of good opportunity I think on day three
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: for them to address a multitude of needs for twenty
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty twenty five and maybe hit on
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: some high upside guys, depending on how the board falls.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: By how many how many picks they actually make. You
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: know it won't be ten. I don't think it'll be ten.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going with eight. I'm going like eight or seven.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say seven or eight, Yeah, which.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Would be fun. I watch. I'm waiting for like some
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: kind of a lot of just chests. If they trade
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: down and then trade up, and then trade up again,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: so they end up with like, oh man, they have
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: eleven picks and then they get that eleven shaved down
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: to like seven, but they end up with I don't know,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: like five picks in the first one hundred and forty
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: or one hundred and thirty or something like that, or
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: it just kind of increase the value.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: What would be do that bears trade again where you
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: trade out, trade out of that pick and whind it
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: be in like sixty spots higher or something like that.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: Something crazy.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: So yep, what a good opportunity and potential there Anything
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: else on your mind when it comes to this draft
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: class or building the perfect draft for you, anything else
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: that you might have your notes or anything you want
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: to unload out of the chamber before we let.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: You go here, No, I think. I think the thought
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I would leave with is just I know we're excited
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: about the draft, and we all have the players we
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: love and the ones we don't like. Let it play out,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the Bills are picking thirty, they're picking
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: ten times. There's gonna be a picture you like. There's
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: any picks you don't like, there's any picks you don't understand.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: You know, Let's see the whole picture and don't get
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: married to any one particular outcome, because that's just a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: recipe for disappointment.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: So and I.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Implore you to not define the careers of these players
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: man after one season, because how many times we have
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: to watch Josh Allen or Dawson Knox or Spencer Brown,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Figure it out, Dion Dawkins,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: whatever player there's been great development, James Cook, Kalil Shaker,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: how long you want to go. Let's give these kids
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: a chance, man, Give these kids a.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Chance, either what positively or negatively. I think that the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: biggest thing is always that initial someone gets drafted. This
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: guy's can't miss, this is gonna be amazing. That's too
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: extreme and the same thing on the other end, Tull
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: this guy sucks. I can't believe they took him. That's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: also too extreme. There we talked about in the lead,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: and there's so many variables that goes into what a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: player is. And another good example right now Kean Coleman.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: How many people last year he got drafted. Nope, he's
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: this ball winner, he's gonna be amazing. Nope, he can't
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: run routes. He sucks. And then his year one happens
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: and we're having some similar conversations about him now, which
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know why this is a surprise for everyone.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: You mean to tell me this raw guy who just
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: just recently committed to playing football fully, he still needs
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: some more development. And also he got hurt in his
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: rookie year, which also hindered some of that development. And
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: you think he's a finished product or everybody's ready to
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: concrete judge him. No, he's done, write him off. What
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: are we doing? Like he already had a like a
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: work in progress trajectory, and then he got banged up,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: so if anything he does, there's more of a work
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: in progress trajectory. But well, we got to take a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: receiver because Keyon Coleman's a bus What are we doing?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: And it would be the opposite if he balled out
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: as a rookie. Everyoneen like, well, we don't need a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: receiver because Keyon Coleman is going to be a true
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: number one. That's not true either. It's just.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: We have the entire history of the NFL at our disposal.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: We can learn things if you like it. It's all right,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: it's all right there. I mean a sample size, it's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: all the whole history. It's right there.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Play opportunity to learn, and then take that learn and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: put into practical application. Oh yeah, but I want to just.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Be mad and yell at clouds Man.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fine.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's strangers, you know.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: And that's how it was last year with I remember posting.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I posted a thread because I liked Keyon Coleman in general.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I thought he had a big a big range of
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: outcomes in the NFL. If like you told me that
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: he became a high end two or a low end one,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I would believe it. If you told me he was
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: out of the league by the end of his rookie contract,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I believe if you told me he's the guy who's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: living off one year deals because different teams keep thinking
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: they can finally be the one to tap into him.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I'd buy it, and I said that as much when
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the Bills drafted him and I posted he was my
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: wide receiver nine and so I had a ton of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: clips and I posted him on social and I just
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: didn't win with that post at all, because I was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: gonna yell at from both ends. The people who thought
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: he was the people who thought he was the worst
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: yelled at me for being too high, and the people
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: that thought he was this giant ball winner, amazing downfield
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: guy yelled at me for being too low. And all
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: I did was just get yelled at NonStop, like there
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: was nobody who was like, oh yeah, cool, even keeled. Nope,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: it was I was too high and I was too
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: low and everyone yelled at me for like a week
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: and a half in that post, and it just it
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: was so upset.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Welcome to sharing football opinions on the internet.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: The best it was the best of times.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: It was the worst times.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good times. I'm sure none of that will happen
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: this time with Bills. I'm sure everything would be level
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: headed and even keeled and uh, concrete known right out
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: of the gate and yeah, we will dance with that
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: dragon here on the show. You will obviously be diving
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: into a multitude of everything that Bills do with all
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: the content that you have going on there at locked
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: On and Joe, you were amazing tonight. Again, I greatly
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time just in case people somehow
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: do not know who you are or what you do
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: or all that stuff. The floor is yours, plug away
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: with the multitude of projects that you are involved in.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I got a lot going on,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: very lucky to have so many different opportunities and Locked
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: on Bills is kind of my main thing. But on
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: my social media on x Twitter at Lee Joe Marino,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I put out a graphic today that shares all the
• 1:27:40
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• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: and it feels like a lot, but it's actually pretty
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: much the normal week that I have. And if you
• 1:27:48
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• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: things that I have going on. If you want to
• 1:27:52
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• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm literally I pulled it up right now. Let me
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: present and share a screen. Yeah, this is a this
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: is a packed schedule, right.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: It's I shared it because it's it's draft week, but
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, like that's pretty much.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Nor like your your regular kind of day to day.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch football, I develop opinions, and I produce
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: content in a lot of different places. So I like
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: that there, it is, there, it is.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I like the Yeah, very busy man, very busy schedule.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: And uh, it's just yeah, you do so much good work.
• 1:28:32
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• 1:28:35
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• 1:28:40
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• 1:28:44
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• 1:28:46
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• 1:28:50
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• 1:28:52
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• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: with the rest of the week, staying up late for
• 1:28:57
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  Speaker 2: always a pleasure talking with you, and I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 2: collaborate several times between now and the time the Bills
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  Speaker 2: kick off this twenty twenty five Super Bowl run.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I look forward to it every time we get together,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's here on your locked on Bill's turf, and
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of your Tuesday, enjoy the rest of
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  Speaker 1: your week. I'll see on the show, Sols and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you having a good night.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks brother, We'll see you later.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Joe Marino, tremendous guest. Really wanted to bring him
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  Speaker 1: in and solidify as Argie says, Joe's must follow. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: he is a must follow. Yeah, I wanted to, as
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  Speaker 1: we talked about, you know, with on this show the
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  Speaker 1: past several weeks, I wanted to dive into the major
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  Speaker 1: positions of need, which we did several weeks ago at
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  Speaker 1: Edge when we had James Foster on the show. Then
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: we dove into Corner with Russell Brown, then we dove
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: into the interior defensive line last week with Daniel Harms,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to put a bow on all of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: it by having Joe on for this episode, which has
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: been yeah, now a bit of a yearly reoccurrence. I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: know for a fact we did it last year. I
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  Speaker 1: think we did it two years ago too. I think
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  Speaker 1: I just called it something different at that point, but
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  Speaker 1: it was the same idea or semblance of idea I believe.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, this has been three years in a row
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  Speaker 1: with me and Joe doing this here on the show,
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  Speaker 1: and his work speaks for itself. I know you folks
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  Speaker 1: know him and everything he does and everything I said here,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, give him a follow, check out all the content.
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  Speaker 1: Everything he does does really good stuff. I hope you
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: folks enjoyed this episode. I brought this up earlier, Carl,
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  Speaker 1: and I answered you in the chat, and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to answer it here again. Thank you very much for
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: being here, Carl, Thank you very much for the super chat.
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  Speaker 1: Carl said, Anthony and Joe my favorite yappers. If I
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  Speaker 1: don't tune into the draft until Friday, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that I will miss anything? Will being start in round two?
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a chance, like I said in the
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  Speaker 1: chat to you, Carl, but just in case anybody didn't see,
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  Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance to be trades being
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  Speaker 1: trades back out of round one. But I think that
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  Speaker 1: he makes that pick in round one. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be somebody that's too tantalizing to pass up there
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  Speaker 1: in round one on either the interior defensive line or corner,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe even something wild that we're not considering based
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  Speaker 1: on how the board may fall. But again, thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much for being here, and thank you for the
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  Speaker 1: super chat. I appreciate that. I'm gonna throw the banner
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  Speaker 1: that says two as folks because we're gonna start to
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  Speaker 1: wind out here. Actually kidding, I'm not gonna do that.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about one pie. Pizza for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Sponsor the show the best pizza in Buffalo, New York.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't say that because they sponsor the show.
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  Speaker 1: They sponsor the show because I think they are the
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  Speaker 1: best pizza in Buffalo, New York. Sweet sauce, pie cup
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  Speaker 1: and char pepperoni, homemade blue cheese, a variety of toppings
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  Speaker 1: options that they dice up and sprinkle individually or individually
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  Speaker 1: what technically individually, but evenly amongst the entire pie. They
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  Speaker 1: also have a variety of catering options as well. They've
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  Speaker 1: started diving into other foods and that stuff is just
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  Speaker 1: as good as the pizza is. They have a pizza
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  Speaker 1: that's named after the show and the brand. They also
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  Speaker 1: do a ton of good for the city of Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: in the community at large with all their different partnerships
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  Speaker 1: with various charities and foundations, the Alzheimer's Foundation, the SPCA,
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  Speaker 1: Toys for Tots partnering with Roswell to try and knock
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  Speaker 1: out cancer. They do a ton of good for the
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  Speaker 1: city and the community at large. So go get yourself
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  Speaker 1: to one Pi pizza, treat yourself and your family and
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  Speaker 1: your taste buds to the deliciousness that they have, and
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  Speaker 1: also do some good for the community and the city
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  Speaker 1: of Buffalo while you are at it. I hope you
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  Speaker 1: folks enjoyed this episode. If there was anything I didn't
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: answer for anyone, I know some comments. I saw some
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  Speaker 1: comments from people saying that they came in a bit
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  Speaker 1: late and asking questions about different picks. I'll be putting
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  Speaker 1: time stamps in this episode so you can go back
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  Speaker 1: and kind of see what we landed on for pick one.
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  Speaker 1: The round two stuff are the higher level conversations. I'll
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: be putting time stamps in for anything. But if there
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: is anything specific that you wanted answered that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get to or that I didn't see again, get at
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• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: there's anything that I didn't get to on this episode
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: you have a question about, I apologize for that. So
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: get at me on social or get at me on
• 1:33:09
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  Speaker 1: So if there's anything I didn't answer, get at me.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for that, and I will get at it
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I can. Really hope you folks enjoyed
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: this episode. It was nice having Joe on again and
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: having this conversation. It was cool seeing all the engagement
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: with you folks with each other in the chat with
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: myself and Joe, the questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, all that
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: stuff that I was able to catch and see. This
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: is a really fun conversation. It's a really fun time
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: of year. I appreciate you, Lou. Thank you very much, Lou.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I see you on Blue Sky all the time. You're awesome.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Lou, and thank you very much for
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: being here and watching, and thank you for the kind words.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: It's very nice to hear. I appreciate that. Yeah, fun
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: time of year. A lot of content coming out this week.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I will be doing a post draft show each day
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  Speaker 1: and night with gregt. So once round one is done,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Greg and I will be going live Thursday night late
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Thursday night. As soon as round two is done, Greg
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  Speaker 1: and I will be going live Friday night. Then we'll
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: be going live at some point on Saturday to recap
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: day three pieces. We'll see what Eric and I put
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: out from a film perspective this week. Might put some
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: stuff out Saturday. I have the day off on Friday.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: There's a chance I might put out something early Friday morning,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: depending on who the bills pick. But there's a lot
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: of content coming from myself as we go forward. So
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I am strapped in and I have coffee on deck,
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  Speaker 1: and I am ready to not get any sleep and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: just have a chaotic week, but in the best way,
• 1:34:37
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  Speaker 1: you got. I'm excited for this week. Hope you folks
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: have enjoyed the content this what is it? Since the
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Bills got eliminated from the AFC Championship and I've been
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: full scale and free agency and draft stuff, all the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: film breakdowns on social and all the episodes and the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: conversations here. I hope you folks have enjoyed all of that.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you for riding with me through this episode in
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: this draft cycle. It'll continue as we go forward through
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: the rest of the week. Keep an eye on my
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  Speaker 1: blue sky and my Twitter for communication about extra content
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: coming this week, because there will be extra content coming
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: this week, like I mentioned, And yeah, Lou, like you said,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: beats the heck out of being able to start preparing
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: in October. And that used to be the life of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Bills fan man, when the Bills will be sitting there
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: like one in six or one in seven and I'd
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, let me start putting my board together
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and seeing who I like come draft time. Yeah, it's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: a different time now with the Bills being what they are,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: but it definitely up beats the hell out of the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: drought times. That is very well said. Enjoy the rest
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: of your Tuesday night, folks, and yeah, thank you for
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: riding with me on this episode. Whether you watch live,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: watch later, you know, listen later, whatever form or fashion
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: you consume the content in. I greatly appreciate it. The
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: team greatly appreciate it, appreciates it. Thank you very much
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: to Joe Marino for joining me. And I hope you
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: and your family and friends and loved ones are all
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: doing well and staying safe. Be kind of one another,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: take care of one another. I will see you when
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: I see you. Enjoy the draft, Enjoy the week, godspeed,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: and as always go Bills.