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Austin Maynard - Underground Paranormal Network part 1 · Trapped Souls Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, welcome to Trap Souls Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tonight we are going beyond the spirits with Awesome Manyard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he is Underground Paranormal Network.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually I'm the host tonight, but Justin and Travis are gonna take over this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're a guest tonight, but we are joined by Nacho from Verona Ghost also.
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  SPEAKER_02: So obviously we have we have Austin, the incredible Austin is what I call him.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's uh an amazing I know you know he listened okay, he's he's very uh modest, you know what I mean?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's uh he's actually a really, really amazing creator in this uh field of devices, ITC research.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um he's got a good forefront on all of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um man, I just glad to have you on the show, dude.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's exciting to have you here, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we've talked a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: We've talked a lot in uh since I was joining joining UGPN with you and uh getting to kind of pick your brain even more so.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's exciting, man.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean y'all have been kicking ass over there at the funeral home, so you know, everything's been yeah, so it's it's been a great relationship with y'all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh pretty much, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just you know what's what uh what's going on now?
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like what I see that you're working on your boards, you know, give us a little information about some of your illumination boards, uh your speaking illumination boards you're building.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah, the talking the talking illumination boards is basically just like a it's a light, it's a light up Ouija board, and you don't need the planchette.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um one of the names of like a uh Ouija board or a spirit board, you know, it's a spirit board, talking board, Ouija board.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_05: I think Ouija at one point, I don't know, there was a reason for that.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like there's a reason behind Ouija was I don't know if it was like like why who came up with that name and why?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_05: I guess I've always I'm curious about that, but uh different names, and so I just tried to use something that wasn't really common, which was talking board.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um plus it sounded kind of the coolest with the like talking illumination board.
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, and uh just uses like IR sensors, uh a transmitter receiver bulb, simple, uh and it um is detecting any kind of changes in light frequency, uh so the wavelength and light really.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um if it's yeah, I mean, like I could shine my phone with uh because my Android camera actually gives off IR.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of like an SLS grid, but they don't use it for SLS, it's more for like depth perception, I think.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um but uh yeah, that will set it off if I have my phone close enough to it.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I know that it will react to different frequencies being put on it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um but uh you know people have had some good success with it.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I think the reason I think that most of I think they're really cool is just because of the uh the artwork.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I love I love doing the artwork, I love drawing and like lining all of it up.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's uh that's actually I get a good I like doing that stuff, so I think that's uh that's more uh I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_05: I enjoy that better than the board the light-up panels themselves.
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  SPEAKER_05: Those although those are cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now is that this is that the similar technology in your regular illumination board that you have?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um it's the same.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, basically just transition from doing the illumination station to the board, and mainly because the cost of the the uh parts I was using for the for the illumination stations, like they like doubled in price.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and so I mean we're talking a jump from like$15 a pop to$30 a pop.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so like I couldn't justify just doing these little things.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like I plus it was just boring too.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_05: It was boring.
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  SPEAKER_05: And once um, once I got the idea from my buddy Matthew Jackson, he wanted one to be like a Ouija board.
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  SPEAKER_05: Once I because I started doing them in the cases, if like uh it just kind of gradually went from the illumination station up to the case, and uh yeah, then it became this.
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  SPEAKER_05: And now I actually I love because I can e customize each individual one.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, I take my time and put my own um like that energy transfer, I think, is very important, so that's why like I do it all by hand.
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  SPEAKER_05: Although I could use like a laser engraver, I have one, I could do that, but I think doing that would take away from that kind of like time and energy and like basically the love that you put into it, right?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, the artist work, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're you you're you're putting pen to paper, whereas if you used something that was doing it for you, it's easy just to kind of lose passion for that that that object or that item, and you're putting your time, your energy into it's here's a good comparison grandma's cookies versus chips of white.
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  SPEAKER_05: Very big difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, grandma's 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: One's made with love, one's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, probably not not even that and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh like if we go look and everything, like when it comes to the Ouija board and using the paint chat, there's a lot of people that sit there and say, Is that you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what it comes down to and everything.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, like coming from like my field of personal work and everything, firing EMS and everything, when you really put your mind into it and everything, sooner or later your body's gonna react to it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it is it it is it us or is it something moving?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: And now you're creating a device that ultimately can sit there where it's a hundred percent hands off, and if something's interacting and everything that you can 100% debunk, that it's not cell phone interference with the irr lights or anything like that and everything, then how do you come about to explain it?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, I love the I love the idea of it, the concept of the whole thing, and I've had this.
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  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I've had the idea as well as many others that have had this same idea for years.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, I'm definitely not the first one to think about it, and I'm not the first one to build one, actually.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um there's been a number of them that have been built, a number of variations that have been built over the years using different technology.
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  SPEAKER_05: I've seen people do it with cat balls, like you know, have little basically just have get solo cups, put a cat ball in each one, and then write a letter on each one and lay it out.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_05: I've seen people do that.
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  SPEAKER_05: I've seen um uh and actually uh Bob Christopher from Vortex Ghost Gear, he was the he actually made the first one that I saw like that was actually like a device.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that was back in 2023, and I I thought it was cool as shit, and I was like waiting for him to finally put one out, you know, because I was like, Man, that's awesome, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: Dude, I gotta get one from you.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I reached out to him, like, yo, like, how can I buy one?
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  SPEAKER_05: I never heard back from him, and then apparently, you know, three years later, now he still hasn't done anything with them.
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  SPEAKER_05: And um, like I when I got the idea or when Matthew Jackson said something to me about doing it, I was like, Well, yeah, I mean, I might as well like I don't see anybody else doing it, and so you know that's kind of how it goes.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_05: But uh, like I don't I wouldn't I don't want to take the credit for the idea or the device or the concept or anything because I'm not like I wasn't the first one to do it.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, which I mean, which shows good good character on your part, in my opinion, man.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're willing to give credit to other people, but you also need to take credit though, it is respect, but you also need to take credit though for your artistic ability.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're you know, what you're able to create too, it's great.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're learning, yeah, but yeah, you know, like I said, he's modest, you know.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, seriously though, like you're you're any of the boxes that I've ever seen you create, all the way from your XR1 to your you know, your Sonny, your Sony Walkman TVs that you've been working on, anything like that, you always have this just artistic look to it, this this look of care, quality, and it's like you know, that that you can't take credit.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: So you get quality and yeah, I mean, come on, man.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like I I will okay, I will give you that I do put a lot of time and energy, and I try to pay as much attention to detail as I can.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_05: However, I could I would skip I would like compare my woodwork and my artistic abilities closer to like Frank Sumption, who when you're talking about every Frank's box you've ever seen is just kind of like this wooden rudimentary box with what either he took like a wood burning and he just wrote the letters out of it.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_05: I mean it just looked like shit, but that's just kind of how it was.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_05: But I kind of follow that exact path, and I've been I've been that way for a long time.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_05: That's just how I've I've done it intentionally.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: At this point, it is intentional, and it's because I I don't know, I it is I'm trying to steer away from giving people the idea that I uh that I outsource this, that I do any of it, you know.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_05: Uh like you know what I mean.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um but like I know a lot of my devices have character flaws to say the least.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_05: Some of them character flaws, and some of them actually don't even I'll I'll uh get them sent back to me a number of times to be fixed because I mean a lot of those times are because somebody was trying to like have me do something that I've never done before.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um, like where I, you know, it was just something different that I had never tried, and so I was trying to figure it out, and I got I thought I got it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: They sent it, you know, it's some of that kind of stuff.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_05: But and so like I'm learning, man.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_05: I'm learning, but uh I still I still there's a lot of people out there that are much better than I am, dude.
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  SPEAKER_05: Much better.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_05: And actually, um and actually uh KD Safford is my inspiration for a lot of the uh uh I would say call it like steampunk, a weird steampunk kind of look in a way, just not really uh not.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it doesn't my shit doesn't look clean at all.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like I feel like it doesn't, it always looks like crap, in my opinion.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: But always they and I'm gonna get to that question real quick, but uh I just want to say though, it that's what makes an artist an artist, in my opinion, though.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Is an artist is always gonna look at their creation and say, that's not exactly where I want it to be.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: But then the outsider that when I when I got like the bubbler, for an example, the work that you did on that, when I've gotten your other device, it you know, I see it, and I'm like, you know what?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it may have a small little flaw that you see, but to me, man, that that's that that's a one-on-one.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Ain't nobody gonna have that same little itty bitty nick that's in the corner or something, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Like it's just it's I appreciate you know I appreciate that viewpoint, that perspective, because that was the perspective that I have.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: I had that perspective when I started, and that's what I think helped me build a lot of the relationships with other uh with other builders and uh developers, is just being able to show that respect and like get them to see that their device doesn't need to look like a perfect, you know.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_05: I would I've told uh Stephen Ketty Halte a number of times, like if you put the circuitry into just put it into something sturdy, put it inside of a serial box and send it to me.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: I'll work, I'll run it through the serial box.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't care as long as it works, you know.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because I wanted them to understand, like, it's not about the you know, the aesthetic look, yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that is important to a lot of people, and that will help you sell the devices, but the operation is what is really important, and so I've always kind of just taken it that route, and I don't really put a whole lot of um focus onto the uh the aesthetic look, although I do uh enjoy learning how to do the woodwork and doing the staining and all that stuff.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_05: I I think it's it's fun, it's a learning process though.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: I I need to get way better at it.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_05: Jeff Fenton, he Jeff Fenton is I look up to his woodworking, man.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_05: He is he's got some of the best woodworking skills I've seen.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_05: And so I need to get to that level before I can say that I'm good at that.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like I'm just like root, I'm just figuring it out.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh hit up Austin on one of his uh on either on his personal page, on the tech romancers page.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, I mean uh yeah, definitely hit him up on that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that goes for anybody that wants to to either look at Austin's work or even you know hit him up for some of his work that he does, just just hit him up on that on those pages.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'll actually here, I'll help uh give it, I'll weed some people out right now about that.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_05: Uh 495 chips in the continental US, but each one is handmade, and I can use whatever logo or image uh that you want me to use.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it also comes with a 12-volt rechargeable battery, um, 3,000 milliamp hour for a little while.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: So now everybody knows what the price is.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_05: I guess so many people that just check uh, you know, they reach out and ask what the price is, and then I don't hear back after I respond.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like all right, well then so let's just put it out there so that everybody knows.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody that still wants one message, yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean we kind of we kind of gotta talk it talk about and everything on like kind of like how how we know you and some of your devices and everything, but what really got you into the paranormal?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um I mean I've always been into like you know uh UFOs, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, like all that stuff.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: As a kid, you know, I used to go to the library and uh I had a library card, you know, back in the day, and uh I would go and rent books just about those subjects, but ghosts terrified me.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why they terrified me as a kid, as well as UFOs too.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like anytime I saw a UFO in the sky, like or what I thought was a UFO as a kid, like it would scare the out of me.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: And so I would end up going and sleeping on the floor in my parents' room.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_05: But um I think like I got interested in life after death more once I had uh cardiac arrest when I was 18.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and like I was in a coma for three days.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they genuinely thought I was gonna be in a vegetative state, and so I realized that there was a a um a uh what's the word?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: There was a a a state of being, so to speak, where my soul or my being is not is like not that my body is an empty vessel.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, that's probably I'm getting tied up.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so at that point, where did I go?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_05: And if I was able to come back, you know what I mean, and I don't remember any of it, which is part of the problem.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think it's honestly that's probably what's driven my curiosity more than anything.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but you know, the more I I've just I'm just naturally curious, and um I love just trying to figure things out, you know what I mean?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_05: So and there's a lot of depth to what we do.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_05: And if you think it's like as deep as you think it goes, it goes way deeper.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a milli like you could run it almost like if you were to look at all the paths that you could take, it looks like a root system of trees.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like if you go in a forest and you look at the root system and how it all connects, and it's like deep and crazy, like that's what I look at that as.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_05: But there's always the surface level stuff, the trees uh that everybody sees, and that's what everybody focuses on.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: But nobody looks at what's really behind it all, what's really how it all connects, and so like that's what you know we do with JW and those uh the travelers' experiments, you know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_05: That's um it's really just deeper dives, man.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: And I just I can't, I'm not satisfied with EVPs and you know the Ghost Box responses and the REM pod.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't get anything out of that.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't it doesn't tell me what I want to know, I guess.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: And so yeah, it's it started as just like wow, this is a simple curiosity, more or less, but the more I do it, the deeper I go, and the more more questions I have, the less answers I have, you know.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, uh like talking to Ryan, Nacha, who you know, like me and Justin, uh the past couple podcasts that we have bringing guests on and stuff.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we had an amazing experience and just talking among ourselves and stuff.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean we're sitting there like uh Dr.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: uh Jay Blackburn uh Blackburn and everything.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um he believes in possible dimensions and stuff, and looking at that kind of start making sense and everything, especially going in the more encrypted and everything.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: You can see the possible big big footpath, and then all of a sudden disappears and reappears and stuff.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is the spiritual realm dealing with that and everything?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like me, Justin, we we be believe we're we're Christians and everything, and we're coming at as a Christian standpoint.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I mean, I know what the Bible tells me and everything, but I mean also a lot of it is vague and it's up to interpretation and everything.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when we die, is it the spirits that we're communicating with that has not been saved?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where they're stuck in limbo and everything before the rapture comes for the Bible and stuff and everything, and just like your experience you you've died, ultimately died, and everything.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: They believe that you was not gonna be able to sit there and physically walk again and everything.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And now, I mean, now you're up and moving and all that and doing doing what you do, and driven your curiosity and everything, but I mean you can't ultimately remember, and we we had a member from 27 spirits on here that had a death experience and everything, and he has a deeper connection with his ancestors and stuff.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: He he he can seriously sense the spirits and everything when he's out out investigating and everything.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there's looking in the beliefs on that and everything, it's like when a lot a lot of times uh in the medical field, when you have a near-death experience and everything, and uh ultimately can unlock parts of our brain to create more power and everything and understand more than what we should.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: So, a couple of things with that.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um, one of the things that happens uh that our brains naturally produce a chemical called DMT, and DMT is very well known for um creating hallucinogenic euphoric experiences in people, and granted, we produce it naturally in very minute levels in our brains, and typically it's active, um, it's more active uh it during your sleep when you're drinking, as well as right before death.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_05: And in fact, when you die, they've actually measured these levels in people right after death that the levels of DMT that are dropped into your brain are astounding, and your brain activity skyrockets, like all of your brain waves, all of the measurements, everything just skyrocket.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it's like your brain is at full operational potential for 10 or 15 minutes after you are like physically dead.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I uh not not try to interrupt, uh, but I mean talk about that and everything.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen a lot of reports and everything.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: A lot uh some people that really don't want to dive deep into what we're doing and everything, and wants to sit there and say that that's like our our life experience from the time we were born to the time of death and everything, like we're reliving our whole lives before we sit there and go and stuff is what uh some of the research I'm seeing and everything.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll talk about that is what they're trying to explain them levels for.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, and this is I mean, you could even bring into the the simulation theory, and you could bring into it um, you know, the fact that in uh I think it's the 2022 uh Nobel Prize winners in physics were able to prove that um local reality it no, our reality is local only.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_05: Outside of that, it's a simulation.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like the old the old state or the old age old question, right?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh if a tree falls in the forest, nobody's around to hear it, doesn't make a sound.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well, their question and what they were able to provide enough evidence for was that if nobody's around, the tree doesn't.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Exist the tree is not there, it's not real.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_05: Now think about when you are playing a video game.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_05: A simple way to put it is if you're playing a video game, right?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like you are only experiencing what the game only renders what you are experiencing in your immediate environment.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_05: But everywhere else in the map is not there, it's not like still currently going.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_05: It only generates when you move to that area and you are looking at it.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's what they are we're able to prove that there is evidence that our local reality at least is a simulation.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: And but that now that adds to a whole not you know a whole nother layers.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: But Mike, I have a question for you though.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever read the book of Enoch?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: I've read one and two, I've not read three.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, really, one is the one that's the one's so if you look at the book of Enoch and what it describes as the you know, all of these creatures, um, and the different things that Enoch was talking about, you look you compare that to some of the supernatural things that we experience.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I mean, if you really wanted to, if people wanted to look into it from a more religious perspective, I would start looking there.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I'm even gonna point out too that uh Anna Paulina Luna, amongst others, recently have come out and stated fully that like they've openly stated if you if people want to know what's going on in with the UAPs, read the book of Enoch.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, and you're right that that's 100%.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because like, so I I I was a minister for 18, probably about close to 15, 18 years now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: I've been in ministerial roles, and I always had that open-ended question of you know, there's so much deeper to what is just on the surface of what you know the Bible says, what other religions even say.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that I think it's important to take, you know, even as a Christian for me, I think it's important to take other religions for what their beliefs are because our religions are our religion my religion has taken bits and pieces from others as well.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: It just is what it is, it's how it is.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's especially if you look at like the denominational field.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: They all have something right, they all have something wrong, right?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because they all took the tickets that they wanted and took it and then discarded their ones that they did.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: So in that aspect, you know, the book of Enoch is one of the greatest examples to that.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a lot of people that are in the ministerial field, they look at that as a a book that's not real, a book that isn't very yeah, and it's like no, you know, but yet you're willing to use a book that was written in 1990 that had no connection with any of the apostles or anything, but you're willing to take that book for for facts, but you're not willing to take one that was mentioned by other people in the word of God.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: It just didn't make any sense to me because you know the fact that Enoch is Noah's great great grandfather, like he's exactly he's like Abraham.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: There is the it started with Abraham and the lineage.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_04: Enoch is in that lineage between Abraham and Noah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, he's only mentioned though, he's only mentioned very briefly in the uh in you know, in the whole in the Bible, but uh well in the Ethiopian Bible, like the true, the full Bible.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um, that mentions obviously it has book uh Enoch 1, 2, and 3.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_05: But um the the the things that he describes, I mean the whole idea is that he was considered a prophet.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, Enoch wasn't himself, wasn't he was a I don't know if it was a prophet or if he was a saint or something, but God considered him holy enough to be brought up and given this knowledge because Enoch could see all of the problems of the world, like and could see that um society and man had drifted away from uh from honoring the creator, you know, and so he had he was given this knowledge to try to help you know explain these things and help bring people back to their faith.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, but those things that he was explaining and those things that he was taught really like if you you could tie it and use it as explanation for majority of the things that are happening right now, and um, you know, a lot of these congressional uh congressmen and women are talking about it even being demonic.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I don't know about that, and I I think that those ancient texts were more or less just um like that was their frame of reference at the time for what they were experiencing, you know.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_05: So um, you know, we get back into DMT, right?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_05: You know, what when uh Moses and the what was it, Moses, the burning bush, right?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: You remember what that bush was?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_05: Acacia wood.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know what happens with acacia wood when you burn it?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_05: It it's DMT.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like most people don't realize that, but but so when you start looking into DMT though, DMT people they've done these uh controlled studies with DMT, and the the uh subjects always come back with shared experiences.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_05: Like, not that they interact with each other, but they say they all claim to be in it, and I'm talking about people that are in different parts of the plan on of the world, like miles away from each other, never interacted, never met each other.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like they all describe meeting the same entities, having the same visions, like interacting with the same deities, kind of things, and it's they it's all very similar, and so it makes me wonder like this is where I believe that the DMT not as like a trippy drug, but like just in the sense of that gives you access to this, um to another realm of plane of existence, and so when like with what would JW and I do, you know, we're just trying to basically access that realm without having to increase the DMT levels in our brains, whether naturally or unnaturally.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um but and it's yeah, it gets very I mean it can be wild.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I want I want to point out to uh this port paranormal.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they have investigated Brightwell Fear in our home twice, and they would like to ask you what you believe the the entity that calls himself the one, what do you believe he is?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: I have a couple of i of hypotheses or theories, or you know, whatever.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what it would be.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_05: I don't differentiate between those words very well.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but one of my thoughts is that it's a manifestation of something, um, like some kind of dark deed that may have happened uh with either somebody related to the funeral home or at the funeral home or something.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it was uh and it was just kind of manifested there and became intelligent.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it could in that sense, it could have been some kind of dark energy.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, I wouldn't call it demonic or eve like that, but something, some kind of dark energy that has um kind of created a presence of some sort.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um on the other hand, I I think that it's some form of entity that is not um obviously not a former human entity.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if I would call it a biblical entity or anything like that.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_05: I think that it is something that uh you know, I don't know.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like these are just my best guesses, and I don't and they're about as good as your guess.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um it all I know is that it's uh it's aggressive towards men, seemingly.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: Women it doesn't really seem to like I don't know why.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Have you guys noticed that?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: So we've noticed it's possessive over women.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: If they go into like the little boiler room down in the basement, it it seems very possessive.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't want the women to leave.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll get upset if the women leave, and it's like like you know, that we've noticed that a few times with uh Shauna that's on our team, stuff like that.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, it's like man, it it's uh other than that, it's a it's it's it's an entity that's very condescending with men.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: It likes to try to play tricks with you, it likes to try to challenge you.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um the location we're talking about is uh Broadwell Funeral in Publicity, Ohio.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's and I'm kind of under the same the the same mindset that that Austin is with what it with what this entity is.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I agree with it.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I do have a question to ask you on this, Austin.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um so uh Malvern Manor has uh Malvern Manor has I already know that one.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: I I have been talking with Tori and I have tried to reach out to Josh about it, but I did an event out there a couple years ago.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like Tori um actually uh created me, me and KD went over there and we did a whole event there, and uh that was one my first thing that she told me was that they had an entity called one.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_05: And I thought, I mean, is it the same thing?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_05: Is it the same one?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_05: But apparently when I was at the event there, that that one called for me up in the attic.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I was trying to figure out if like I was trying to ask it questions, but I don't think I got really a clear answer or you know, good enough um enough to really think that it's the same one.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_05: Although I don't know how many others are calling themselves one at locations that are known to have activity.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and both of the uh both of the entities have the same characteristics and the same kinds of um like not only just the way that they respond in Ghost Box communication or whatever, but uh just like that aggressiveness, the possessiveness.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um and it almost seems like it it's ready to be malicious if if given the right reason or if it feels like it wants to, it will.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, because we we have this capture and we're trying to get another another angle.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: But uh one of our uh one of our old members had a uh experience down there.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: He was called down there, he goes down, um, but earlier that day he called, you know, he was upstairs and I was like, hey, we're getting some interaction from the one, and he called the one um the B-word.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes down there and we actually catch a shadow that looks to like off of the hot water tank, and it looks like it tries to grab it.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he just started feeling really ill to his stomach, and you know, he's like, I he actually was like, I'm done.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh like I just don't feel right, I don't feel good, and he's like, I'm already tired, I'm going home.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I mean, hey, but you know, and that's that's my thing.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: It looks for that moment of the one looks for that moment to be malicious, you know, and it's like we've had great interactions with with the one uh because we we want that answer, we want to dive deeper, like to figure out, you know.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: But I my question, you answered it completely.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, I don't even get to ask it fully, you know.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but do you believe that they can transfer?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is that the same one?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Is it possible?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and they but you already answered.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't I don't think that time and space are really like I don't believe that they experience it the same way that we do.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um I I think that they could if they really wanted to, they could be anywhere in an instant, you know, they could go from Broadwell to Malvern.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: And it's possible that these, you know, a lot of these locations are connected um with pathways or you know what we would think would be wormholes or something, like maybe they have these ways of traveling that we don't have.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I do want to say something because I Mike does this too, the owner.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh he does this and it bugs me.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: The one.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_05: So, do you guys has he ever told you how we got that name?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, really, no.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_05: So the first time we heard him, he said specifically, I am one, I am Legion.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_05: And so he always goes by one.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_05: But Mike has been going the one, the one.
• 35:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I guess I don't know if that's I don't know.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm wondering if there's a level of disrespect there that could be perceived on his end, or um, or it maybe it's feeding his ego as like I'm the one, you know, I am the one.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you bring up a good point because me and Travis, the past few times that we've been there, uh there's been an energy shift at Broadwell, um, completely different.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: At times it gets it at times it literally it just it feels different, man.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like I don't know why.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: It just we hadn't been there for a couple months.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: We went in, we we uh sat down, and immediately just the energy was different.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it seemed I don't know, it just seemed miserable, it just seemed dark.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, why?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm wondering, is it is it him being disrespected by by by that or is it feeding his ego?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, I will add this in there too, because I have a friend, uh the same guy that uh suggested the the Ouija board, uh Matthew Jackson, uh he freak has actually a few times encountered an entity that called itself Seven.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I've also had sorry, I've also had somebody tell me that they have spoken to an entity called Six.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_05: And so, you know, on the bigger picture, like on the smaller scale, you know, it may not seem like anything, but on a when you look at it from a bird's eye perspective, I mean when he talks about I am one, I am legion, you know, you start thinking, okay, he's one, but they all but there's there's multiple parts to the lead to Legion, but it's all one.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like I and so then you start asking deeper questions, you know, the ones that we don't typically want to jump to by any means, like we try to avoid it at all costs, right?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_05: Like the you know, you start like the demonic stuff.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't want to like I will avoid that, try to find any reason to go against like any other route except that.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: But I I don't like my wonder is if there's a bigger thing going on that is related to the book of Enoch, related to all the UAP stuff, where all of this is tied together, and it's maybe there's been an uptick in certain things um that people are experiencing, not just with um not just with the UAPs, but is it possible that demonic forces have taken over society?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you see all of the things that uh people claim that demonically possessed or oppressed people would do, you see it everywhere: debauchery, chaos, violence, like all of these things.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I mean it's almost as if uh you know faith is gone completely.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_05: And so if you're really looking at it from a uh big picture, um yeah, that Satan's getting what he wants, he's winning on earth.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, this is his domain, um, and so you know, but I think that it people that have ever have ever been, you know, questioned about whether or not some of this stuff is real.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, this would be the time to start paying attention and start trying to look at these things.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_05: Read the book of Enoch if you haven't.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm actually going on, I'm doing uh uh what is it, audio or uh the audio books.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_05: Audiobooks, yes.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, thank you, thank you.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm doing something like that.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I've actually done it ever.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_05: This is the second time watching it, and so I'm redoing it again.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: But it's like a three-hour audio book, and so like it's going through every little bit of it, reading it out, um, just because I'm not I don't like to sit at man, I'll fall asleep if I try to read.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_05: But this way I can I can like listen to it and do stuff, and so I retain stuff better that way.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so this is my second time going through it, and uh I don't know, man.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_05: Things are getting a little crazy, and I think that we're gonna start seeing some kind of a um like a reckoning or a reminding of some sort, a mass.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_05: Hey guys, remember?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_05: I know you don't remember, but 2000 years ago, there was a whole bunch of stuff happening and y'all forgot about all that.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_05: So here I'm gonna show you again.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_05: But it's just and so now we're gonna be seeing these great pillars of fire that they saw in the past, but we're seeing them as UFOs, like these things, lights in the sky that we can't explain.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it and and that's a good point, like, and that's that's where the root system comes into play.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: How deep does this go?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Where does it go?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and and I think that's amazing.