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- 0:15Welcome to the City Center podcast from West Palm Beach,
- 0:18Florida.
- 0:19I'm Jerry Marcelo.
- 0:20Trying to help those who are homeless is a tremendous challenge for nearly every community in America.
- 0:26West Palm Beach is no exception.
- 0:29The plight of those who have no place to call home has been the topic of many conversations by residents and city leaders alike.
- 0:36Today we begin a series of three podcasts to explore the current state of homelessness here in West Palm Beach.
- 0:43Understand the myths and truth surrounding homelessness and what we can all do to ease the problem for those who are living on America's Streets with me.
- 0:53Today is homeless services coordinator for the city of West Palm Beach,
- 0:56Ali Severino Ali.
- 0:58Welcome.
- 0:58Hi,
- 0:58Jerry.
- 0:59Glad to be here.
- 1:00Great,
- 1:00great to have you here.
- 1:02Tell us your story.
- 1:03How did you find yourself be playing this role for the city?
- 1:06Well,
- 1:06it's a long story but I will keep it brief.
- 1:09So basically,
- 1:10um I started working in addiction treatment,
- 1:12behavioral health services about 12 years ago.
- 1:16And so I did that for a long time.
- 1:18I had a sober living for a little bit.
- 1:21Um I actually even made a TV show called Dope Sick Nation,
- 1:24which was on uh vice and a film called American Relapse.
- 1:29And through those things,
- 1:30I was able to meet um some individuals uh at the city and I was already involved in doing street outreach independently on my own.
- 1:38I wasn't working for anybody.
- 1:39I was just coming out and offering people treatment and trying to get them scholarships and stuff like that.
- 1:44And um after 2020 I decided to,
- 1:49they had a position opening and so I interviewed for it and they gave it to me and I was very excited to be here in a city that I love so much and for something I'm so passionate about.
- 2:00So that's clearly have background and experience so that you could really connect with folks and really,
- 2:08you know,
- 2:08make a difference and that's fantastic.
- 2:11And I'm also a peer.
- 2:12So peers are very important in this kind of work.
- 2:15And that means I have lived experience similar to some of the clients.
- 2:18So we're able to connect in that way and um have more understanding and,
- 2:23you know,
- 2:23I got you.
- 2:24Well,
- 2:24let's start our look at homelessness here in West Palm Beach with understanding of,
- 2:28of the problem nationwide.
- 2:30I mean,
- 2:30it's,
- 2:30it's everywhere,
- 2:31isn't it everywhere?
- 2:32And some places is more concentrated than others.
- 2:35Obviously,
- 2:35it's more ideal to be experiencing homelessness in a place that's warm as opposed to the frigid cold.
- 2:42And let's say Montana,
- 2:43even though they experience it there as well.
- 2:45Um,
- 2:46but yeah,
- 2:46it,
- 2:46it is everywhere right now.
- 2:47Nationally,
- 2:48we have about 580,000,
- 2:51um,
- 2:51unhoused people.
- 2:53So,
- 2:54and about 28,000 of those individuals are in the state of Florida.
- 2:58Well,
- 2:58well,
- 2:58let's talk about the types of folks that you encounter here in West Palm Beach.
- 3:03What do we see here a little bit?
- 3:06I mean,
- 3:06there's some basic categories.
- 3:08So we have our chronically homeless individuals who and a lot of our people that are in the parks and that you see outside,
- 3:14many of them grew up here and many of them have um have been lived in poverty most of their lives and a lot of the individuals outside also a common theme is they've had some sort of tragic loss of family.
- 3:28So when you've already,
- 3:30uh you know,
- 3:31been living in poverty your entire life and then you lose your mom,
- 3:35dad or whoever has been helping you,
- 3:38you really end up in a spot where it's difficult to get out of.
- 3:41I understand you use the term chronic homeless that define that a little bit more for me.
- 3:46Sure.
- 3:47So our chronically homeless are individuals who are spending long periods of time outside over a year or they've experienced multiple episodes of homelessness within three years.
- 3:56So we say four bouts of homelessness within three years would consider somebody chronic.
- 4:01Um But,
- 4:02you know,
- 4:02we have people outside who have been there for 10 years or longer and it's not due to lack of us trying,
- 4:09but there's so many other barriers that they face.
- 4:12What kind of barriers are you talking about?
- 4:14So,
- 4:15um you know,
- 4:16they have severe mental health challenges,
- 4:19some of them have substance use disorders.
- 4:21Some of them are on such a low fixed income.
- 4:24I would say a majority of our unhoused population is on disability,
- 4:29meaning they bring home about $800 dollars a month.
- 4:31And if you have looked at rent lately,
- 4:33you'll see that the average rent in West Palm is about 15,
- 4:361600.
- 4:37That's on the low end for a one bedroom.
- 4:40So,
- 4:41you know,
- 4:41that that's an issue too.
- 4:43And when you've been outside for so long,
- 4:45it really is.
- 4:47Um,
- 4:48it's,
- 4:49uh,
- 4:49it's difficult for them to go inside and to leave.
- 4:52It might sound silly but they've built a community outside and they know how to survive and they know what that looks like for them.
- 4:59And so sometimes when they go inside,
- 5:01they don't really know what to do or they make really poor choices which lead to them.
- 5:06Losing their housing again.
- 5:07Are by and large.
- 5:09Are these people individuals or are they families?
- 5:12Well,
- 5:12we have both,
- 5:13we have a lot of families outside.
- 5:15This year's point in time count showed a 36% increase in our own house population and a large majority of our own.
- 5:21I mean,
- 5:22a decent amount of the people outside our family units,
- 5:25you don't always see them.
- 5:26Sometimes they're in their cars and stuff like that.
- 5:28But,
- 5:29um,
- 5:30so I'd say maybe it's like 30% of families,
- 5:34which is still a lot,
- 5:35it's still a tremendous number.
- 5:38A lot of folks who live here don't really understand the daily challenges that these folks face.
- 5:47I mean,
- 5:47where do they go for food?
- 5:49Where do they go for shelter?
- 5:50So,
- 5:51um,
- 5:51so many of them,
- 5:52well,
- 5:53first we don't have like a emergency overnight shelter.
- 5:56So there's actually no place for an individual to go and seek shelter at night.
- 5:59Like some other cities offer,
- 6:01we have a shelter program.
- 6:03So which they get placed on a waiting list for when there's a bed available.
- 6:07That's a,
- 6:08um,
- 6:08when it comes to food and showers,
- 6:10we have great resources like San M Place that they're able to utilize,
- 6:13they do their laundry there,
- 6:15they're able to shower,
- 6:16get breakfast and lunch.
- 6:17They offer,
- 6:18they have the health care district out of there now.
- 6:20So our clients are able to get their medications or see a doctor or get their mental health meds.
- 6:25Uh,
- 6:25they also have a disability attorney.
- 6:27So we try to keep all that in one little location.
- 6:30So it's simple but for individuals who might be living by Southern Boulevard.
- 6:35Ok.
- 6:35Southern is a far ways away when you don't have a car or a phone or any money.
- 6:41From Saint Ann's.
- 6:42So the people down there really rely on,
- 6:45uh,
- 6:45you know,
- 6:46we have a few different churches,
- 6:47I guess I'd say that do that.
- 6:48But the showers and stuff like that is very difficult.
- 6:51The hygiene is difficult.
- 6:52Do they see crime are the victims of,
- 6:54of people taking advantage of them?
- 6:57Oh,
- 6:57yeah.
- 6:57And it,
- 6:57sometimes it's so much,
- 6:59I mean,
- 6:59the fraud that sometimes goes on,
- 7:01I'll give you a story.
- 7:02So I had a gentleman who he has experienced chronic homelessness and he finally was ready to go to drug treatment.
- 7:08He's one of my favorite clients.
- 7:09I love him so much.
- 7:11So we were able to make it happen.
- 7:13He had health insurance,
- 7:15uh got him in.
- 7:16So he's been in the now for 30 days and he's doing great so good.
- 7:20And the facility called me saying that his insurance was switched and that now he has a $10,000 deductible and so he wouldn't be able to stay there anymore.
- 7:29Well,
- 7:29when I did my research,
- 7:30I found out,
- 7:31well,
- 7:31the insurance agent because there's many that prey on the homeless,
- 7:34they give them $5 to sign up for insurance and then they keep their information and they regularly change their plans so they can continue to get paid.
- 7:43So there's a lot of,
- 7:44uh,
- 7:44you know,
- 7:45theft of your identity,
- 7:47identity theft that goes on a lot of that.
- 7:49And there's a lot of violent crime that happens because and half the time they're not reported because these individuals often don't have phones that are working.
- 7:57So,
- 7:58you know,
- 7:59you used the term you've worked with your clients.
- 8:01Let's take a step back.
- 8:04You tell us a little bit about what your job involves and how you work with folks on the street.
- 8:08Sure.
- 8:09So the homeless outreach team through the city of West Palm Beach,
- 8:12there's,
- 8:13we come in,
- 8:14we work about usually 7 to 75 days a week.
- 8:18And when we come in,
- 8:19our goal is to hit every single park and go under the bridges and the community will often let us know if they see somebody that they think needs some services and we meet the client where they're at.
- 8:29So we go into the street and we sit with them and maybe we're going to do a food stamp application.
- 8:33Maybe we're signing them up for shelter,
- 8:35you know,
- 8:36a barrier often to shelter is ID and residency.
- 8:40So maybe they need help getting an ID.
- 8:42Sounds easy.
- 8:43But now we need to get money to pay for the ID.
- 8:45And oh,
- 8:46they didn't have a star.
- 8:47So now we have to order their birth certificate.
- 8:49I had a guy wait six months to get his birth certificate from New York.
- 8:53So all of those are things that take time and that's what our staff does every day.
- 8:58We're working with them on their goals,
- 9:00whether that is to go into drug treatment or get mental health services reconnect with their loved ones or find housing for themselves.
- 9:09How many people like you are working on this particular?
- 9:12So,
- 9:12in the city of West Palm Beach we have at the vicar's house in particular,
- 9:17we have me Lisa Henry,
- 9:20Mary Raven Brandy 676 or 76 or seven,
- 9:26which is great because at one point there was only like two or three of us.
- 9:29So we're slowly growing our team,
- 9:32right?
- 9:32And,
- 9:32and,
- 9:33and each of these individuals are going out into the street and meeting with clients and contacting new,
- 9:38new clients.
- 9:39How does that go?
- 9:40I mean,
- 9:41do you,
- 9:41when you,
- 9:41when you actually meet someone for the first time,
- 9:44are they open or,
- 9:45or are they suspicious?
- 9:47And sometimes they think we're,
- 9:48we have something to do with the cops or,
- 9:50you know,
- 9:50we're going to yell at them or something like that.
- 9:52But once we,
- 9:53I try to just come in very soft and hey,
- 9:56my name's Ally,
- 9:57you know,
- 9:58I do the homeless services for the city.
- 10:00We saw you.
- 10:00Is there anything that you might need?
- 10:02And I just let them know the things that we're offering and sometimes I'll be like,
- 10:05no,
- 10:05no,
- 10:05no,
- 10:06no,
- 10:06no.
- 10:06Right.
- 10:06But often they'll go well,
- 10:08yeah,
- 10:08I'm interested in shelter.
- 10:09What does that look like?
- 10:10And then we have to explain the process to them.
- 10:13Um,
- 10:13and it's our job to hold their hand or not.
- 10:17Hold their hand.
- 10:17But to be with them through that process,
- 10:19while they're outside,
- 10:20once they go inside,
- 10:22that goes to another level of case management and stuff like that.
- 10:25But while they're outdoors trying to survive,
- 10:27our staff is working with them every step of the way,
- 10:31maybe they need a ride to go,
- 10:34uh,
- 10:34see about their disability or to,
- 10:37uh,
- 10:37reconnect with their family or they need to use our phones,
- 10:39which happens often.
- 10:40I mean,
- 10:41most of our clients when have these big appointments over Zoom and all this new stuff that's come out,
- 10:46they can't do it.
- 10:47So we make all the appointments,
- 10:48we use our phones,
- 10:49you know,
- 10:49our city phones,
- 10:50we go out there,
- 10:51we make sure they're doing all that stuff.
- 10:54So,
- 10:55yeah.
- 10:55Well,
- 10:55ok,
- 10:56so let's just change gear slightly.
- 10:57We've talked a lot about the folks who are on the street.
- 11:01Another part of the equation.
- 11:02Of course,
- 11:02are the residents,
- 11:04do they have an understanding of what is really the problem?
- 11:09I don't think so.
- 11:10Iiii I think they,
- 11:12you know,
- 11:12they,
- 11:13they care and they want to help.
- 11:14But I think a lot of people including myself,
- 11:17you know,
- 11:17I've always worked specifically mostly with substance use and mental health but,
- 11:21and I thought,
- 11:22ok,
- 11:22that's going to be very similar when I get to homelessness.
- 11:24But I,
- 11:25I had no idea how complex it was.
- 11:28I really didn't.
- 11:29And that's for someone who works in this field.
- 11:30Every day.
- 11:31And so,
- 11:32um it's a lot more complex and the solutions take a lot more time and energy than I think many people believe.
- 11:40Sure.
- 11:40And we're gonna be talking about misconceptions later on in another episode.
- 11:45But generally,
- 11:46you know,
- 11:47uh do folks have an overriding um,
- 11:52error or,
- 11:53or,
- 11:53or bad image that you're really fighting against?
- 11:57Um,
- 11:57I guess one of the main things is that and they're not wrong to think these things,
- 12:02right.
- 12:02I think they're really common but just that they're in serious danger when they're around somebody who's unhoused.
- 12:09Often,
- 12:09that person is more scared of you than you might even be of them.
- 12:13I mean,
- 12:13they get things thrown at them in the middle of the night.
- 12:15They get all these attacked,
- 12:18sexual assaults,
- 12:19all these things are happening to them.
- 12:20They're in a state a moment of trauma.
- 12:23Um,
- 12:23so you know that and that maybe they're just lazy or they're not even trying to do anything when you see the same person outside for six months.
- 12:31Let's talk about my client with the birth certificate.
- 12:33He was outside for six months.
- 12:34You might pass him every day thinking he's doing nothing for himself.
- 12:37Meanwhile,
- 12:38every day he's waking up taking the bus,
- 12:41taking a shower,
- 12:42meeting with attorneys trying to get his birth certificate,
- 12:45but he's still outside.
- 12:47So I would say that's a pretty big misconception that they're because they're outside,
- 12:50they're not actively working on something Right.
- 12:53Right.
- 12:54Um,
- 12:55do you,
- 12:55do you think that folks,
- 12:57the residents are compassionate,
- 12:58do they,
- 12:58do they really want these folks to be helped or,
- 13:01or are they just wanting them to go away?
- 13:06It would,
- 13:06it would be easier if they weren't,
- 13:07if you didn't see it.
- 13:09And I think when people see individuals experiencing homelessness and makes them feel sad inside,
- 13:14um,
- 13:15and it also,
- 13:16you know,
- 13:16maybe it looks bad when your friends come to visit and there's unhoused people outside.
- 13:21I've heard that multiple times from residents and I don't disagree.
- 13:25Um But the,
- 13:26the solution is big and sometimes when people try to get involved in the solution,
- 13:33they back out because they think it's as easy as feeding them,
- 13:36they are fed,
- 13:37they have tons of food.
- 13:38That is not a food is not a problem for our unhoused housing is a problem.
- 13:44Yeah,
- 13:44I mean,
- 13:45I think that's one of the,
- 13:46one of the great misconceptions folks have is,
- 13:48oh,
- 13:48well,
- 13:48I'll just hand them the sandwich or,
- 13:52you know,
- 13:52we hand them a couple of dollars.
- 13:54That's not,
- 13:55that's not the solution to the problem.
- 13:57No,
- 13:58it does nothing to assist them in any way.
- 14:00Getting closer to a goal of being inside and our mental health services.
- 14:04I think people think there's also a lot more services available than there are and it's nobody's fault,
- 14:08but this year we've had 36% increase in our own house population compared to last year,
- 14:12which is a huge jump.
- 14:14So,
- 14:14if we've had 36% increase,
- 14:16we need to respond to that with the increase in services,
- 14:19which I believe the county is working on because a lot of this also comes through the county.
- 14:23Yes,
- 14:23the city,
- 14:24we have our own responsibilities,
- 14:26but it's a big thing.
- 14:30Um,
- 14:30it's a,
- 14:30it's a complex system.
- 14:32So,
- 14:33yeah.
- 14:33So if you could have a magic megaphone to talk to the residents of West Palm Beach,
- 14:38what would be the message you would really want them to walk away with?
- 14:42For sure to understand.
- 14:45Well,
- 14:45I would say if you want to help,
- 14:47what I would suggest is volunteering,
- 14:49spending either your time,
- 14:51which I know is important and valuable.
- 14:53So you can use your time,
- 14:55you can donate your money,
- 14:56you can advocate for changes in laws because the fact that they closed all of our mental health uh institutions.
- 15:03Ok.
- 15:04A lot of our individuals were at the Jerome Golden Facility when it closed down and now they are outside.
- 15:09So the longer that we don't have these programs and services because of different laws that are enacted,
- 15:15we're going to continue to see the same thing.
- 15:17So I would say to dive into the laws and advocate for changes for certain things like that.
- 15:22I think that would be very helpful for us.
- 15:24Thanks next time on the City Center podcast.
- 15:27Uh We're gonna be talking more about what to do what we can do as individuals and as a city to help the homeless,
- 15:33what steps can be taken by City Hall and what things each of us can do to help folks find a home.
- 15:40Uh We'll continue our conversation with Ali Severino,
- 15:43a homeless services coordinator for the city of West Palm Beach.
- 15:46In the next episode,
- 15:47the City Center podcast is produced by the City of West Palm Beach.
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