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BREAKING: WAS MISSING NIKKI CHENG'S BODY MOVED? WARRANTS GOING DOWN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Was missing Mom Niki Chang's body moved as we go
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  Speaker 2: to air, warrants going down. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: All break in the case of missing California mom Nikki Chang.
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  Speaker 3: Official say Nikki is a victim of homicide.
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  Speaker 2: That is a major development in the search for Niki Chang.
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  Speaker 1: As warrants are going down.
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  Speaker 2: The theory, one of the working theories, is that Nicky's
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  Speaker 2: body may have been moved from one location law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: is looking at to another.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, senior efforts to get my health by my phone.
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  Speaker 5: We miss you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look what the cat's dragged in.
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  Speaker 2: Nicky has been missing and now suddenly her husband makes
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  Speaker 2: a statement.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's Tyler McCain. I'm Tyler McCain, the husband of Nicki McCain. First,
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to thank the Sheriff's office and the FBI
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  Speaker 2: for getting involved. Anything to bring my wife home. How
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  Speaker 2: about you going out to look for her? Just a suggestion.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of Tyler McCain in
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  Speaker 2: his first public statement regarding the disappearance of his wife, Nicki.
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  Speaker 4: I do really know what safe.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't been in the other guys, and I've been
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  Speaker 5: done very well with algenis everyone, especially my children anyway,
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  Speaker 5: mine well as well.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just hearing the part of a centure.
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  Speaker 5: Any anything that I can do I want to ask about.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, why is he apologizing? That's that's curious. Why is
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  Speaker 2: he apologizing for what A apologized to everyone, especially my children,
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  Speaker 2: my wife's.
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  Speaker 1: Family, mine as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here to support, So anything I can do, I
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  Speaker 2: want to do that, really, Okay? Joining me an all
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  Speaker 2: Star panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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  Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chloe Ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: This is Nicky's sister joining me in addition to our
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  Speaker 2: All Star panel are Chloe and Kay Nicky's sisters. To
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  Speaker 2: Chloe as the warrants were going down or about.
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  Speaker 1: To go down.
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  Speaker 2: Is it true that you met with Tyler McCain and
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  Speaker 2: if so, what happened because the last time you and
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  Speaker 2: I talked.
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  Speaker 1: He was not in communication issue with Nikki's family.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the night before the raid happened, he actually reached
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  Speaker 7: out to my brother and wanted to talk to my brother.
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  Speaker 7: And after him and Tyler talked, me and my sister realized,
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  Speaker 7: wait a second, we need to go talk to Tyler ourselves.
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  Speaker 7: And so me and my sister Kay did go into
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  Speaker 7: his home and talk to him the Thursday before the
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  Speaker 7: raid happened.
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  Speaker 2: And what if anything did he say of any substance?
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  Speaker 2: You know what, forget of any substance? What did he say?
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  Speaker 7: He was sticking to his story for a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I thought that he was going to break. He did
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  Speaker 7: seem emotional and emotional, but then there was a time
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  Speaker 7: where Kay did get a little bit confrontational. I understand
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  Speaker 7: she just wanted some answers, and he did kind of
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  Speaker 7: smirk at her as well too, so he still kind
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  Speaker 7: of kept that I'm not I'm not, I'm innocent and
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  Speaker 7: I didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: And again, no one has been named a person of interest,
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  Speaker 2: no one has been aimed a suspect in the disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of Nicki Chen, although I will say to the sisters,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like I'm more interested in finding her than
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  Speaker 2: he is. Of course, you can't judge a book by
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  Speaker 2: its cover, you know. Steal waters run deep and all that.
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  Speaker 2: But Kay Ford joining me Nicki's other sister, I refer
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  Speaker 2: to them as the sisters. They have been joining me
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  Speaker 2: since Nicki went missing, all trying to put her picture
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  Speaker 2: out there, put the story out there, and hopefully bring
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  Speaker 2: Niki home. Kay, why did you become somewhat confrontational with
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  Speaker 2: Nicki's husband.
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  Speaker 8: I wouldn't Nesslarie say I was confrontational, but I did
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  Speaker 8: get pretty direct as far as asking him some questions
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  Speaker 8: and asking him for specific answers. A lot of those
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  Speaker 8: questions I asked. Again, like Chloe said, he pretty much
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  Speaker 8: stuck with his story. He did get a little bit
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  Speaker 8: uncomfortable with some of the questions. The most part, they
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  Speaker 8: were consistent with what he the story he had been sharing.
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  Speaker 8: There are a few a few discrepancies that we did notice,
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  Speaker 8: but overall, there wasn't a whole lot that changed what
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  Speaker 8: was his demaanor k You know, he had talked to
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  Speaker 8: our brother and said the police had come by earlier
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  Speaker 8: that day to talk to him. We were trying to
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  Speaker 8: figure out what he knew from the police and what
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  Speaker 8: he might know or might be willing to share at
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  Speaker 8: that point, and I think I felt like it was
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  Speaker 8: the same for him. He was trying to gauge what
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  Speaker 8: we might know and what we what we might share
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  Speaker 8: with him. So I felt like it was almost a
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  Speaker 8: little bit of the back and forth of what can
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  Speaker 8: we get from each other as far as information got it.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Chloe, say, Nikki's sister, has Tyler
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  Speaker 2: McCain joined.
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  Speaker 1: In any of the searches to your knowledge?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Not?
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  Speaker 1: Did you ask him why? I'm curious.
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  Speaker 7: I did ask him to come with us on the
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  Speaker 7: day of Nicky's birthday. I did go out to his
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  Speaker 7: house to put balloons out for Nicki and me and
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  Speaker 7: my brother asked him like, hey, man, like what's going on?
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  Speaker 7: Please come help us? And he said he was willing
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  Speaker 7: to do whatever. And he said, yeah, he'll do whatever
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  Speaker 7: to help us. But he has not offered to come
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  Speaker 7: on the searches. And there's Facebook pages of people posting
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  Speaker 7: I go on search us all the time, if you
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  Speaker 7: want to come, please come. You guys are more than
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  Speaker 7: welcome to come. And he has not taken up that
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  Speaker 7: offer to come on the searches.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't it true, Chloe, that he has been in communicato,
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  Speaker 2: not in touch with Nicki's family during all of this.
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  Speaker 7: He has not been in contact with us. It was
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  Speaker 7: mostly us reaching out to him, but the only time
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  Speaker 7: he reached out. Was that Thursday night when he reached
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  Speaker 7: out to my brother to talk. Other than that, he.
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  Speaker 1: Has not Guys.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, the husband of Niki Chan has
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  Speaker 2: spoken for the first time, and I want to analyze
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  Speaker 2: his demeanor. Again, no one has been named a suspect.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him none more than I would look
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  Speaker 2: at anybody else. However, in his first public statement since
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  Speaker 2: Nicki goes missing, let's take a look.
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  Speaker 1: And analyze and learn what we can. Listen, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Nikki between.
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  Speaker 4: The first office, get involved, any efforts to.
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  Speaker 8: Get my health, my phone.
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  Speaker 1: We miss you, Chloe. Does he normally stutter that much?
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  Speaker 2: He usually does.
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  Speaker 7: Mumble a little bit, but uh stuttering. I don't think
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  Speaker 7: he stutters very much.
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  Speaker 8: No, but he does mumble a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot because there's a whole lot of uh uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that, and I wondered if that was a
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  Speaker 2: you know, traditional characteristic of his or if he was
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  Speaker 2: just doing that when he's discussing his missing wife.
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  Speaker 1: So does he normally do that? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Interesting?
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  Speaker 2: You know. Again, no one has been named a suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Guys search warrants going down. One working theory is that
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  Speaker 2: Nicky's body has been moved from a relative's home to
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  Speaker 2: another location.
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  Speaker 1: Let me stress that's one of many working theories.
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  Speaker 2: We know that bags of evidence have been taken from
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  Speaker 2: some of the search locations, but again, this is not
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  Speaker 2: the first time that someone has gone public begging for
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  Speaker 2: the return of their loved one.
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  Speaker 10: Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.
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  Speaker 10: Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
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  Speaker 10: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
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  Speaker 10: This house is not complete without anybody here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the next time he saw them was at their
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  Speaker 2: funeral and he was convicted of their murder. That was
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  Speaker 2: from our friends at Denver seven ABC, Chris Watts making
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  Speaker 2: a I can't really even say, heartfelt.
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  Speaker 1: Request for the return of his wife and children.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations of the renowned USPA
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  Speaker 2: Nationwide Security. He leads a team of investigators all around
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  Speaker 2: the world finding missing people. Former marine and Iraqi War
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  Speaker 2: veteran Brian Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 1: Did you just see Chris Watts and the blanking.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to give him a tissue, except I need
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  Speaker 2: he was called blood of killer, so I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So did you see the blanking certainly, Nancy.
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  Speaker 11: And you know when we look at Tyler McCain's statement
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  Speaker 11: just the other day, Now, what a one eighty that's
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  Speaker 11: taken place since the last time we saw him publicly
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  Speaker 11: holding up the middle finger to Key's family outside the
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  Speaker 11: Shatsa County courthouse.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa wait a minute, Oh, thank you for refreshing my
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  Speaker 2: recollection as we liked say in court k Ford, Nikki's sister,
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  Speaker 2: did that happen? Did he actually sheet a bird at
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  Speaker 2: the courthouse?
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  Speaker 1: He certainly did.
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  Speaker 8: As he was approaching clearly, and myself he yep, he
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  Speaker 8: flipped a soft right there.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Shark, psychologist, renowned TV radio trauma expert, consultant at
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  Speaker 2: Karenstark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: If you're looking for her, it's Karen with a C. Karen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's just say before Dwayne Kate's veteran trial lawyer
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney can say it, there is no playbook for grief, okay,
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  Speaker 2: second verse same as the first, feel like I'm in
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  Speaker 2: my old little Methodist back home and making George where
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  Speaker 2: we keep saying the same verse over and over and
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  Speaker 2: over again. No playbook for grief, Okay? But shooting the
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  Speaker 2: bird at the victim's family. Really, can I just go
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  Speaker 2: out on a limb and say that's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: out there, a little bit questionable.
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  Speaker 1: Beyond questionable.
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  Speaker 12: We're talking about someone we know who has been accused
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  Speaker 12: of domestic abuse, right, so this is a very angry,
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  Speaker 12: manipulative person. I'm not the least bit of prise because
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  Speaker 12: he's going to blame everybody else, not yet to what's
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  Speaker 12: going on.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the bird, Karen Stark, the bird giving the finger.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see these two sisters on today? They have
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  Speaker 2: been leading the charge to find their sisters.
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  Speaker 1: Is day one.
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  Speaker 2: You know how many times I've asked him to come
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  Speaker 2: on and his family to come on. They don't even
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  Speaker 2: bother to reply. I find that very disturbing. Typically, when victims'
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  Speaker 2: families want their love one out at the forefront, they'll
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  Speaker 2: do anything anything to gain attention, to make people look.
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  Speaker 2: Look at her picture, look at the tip line. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: not a zip, zilch zero. It's what I get from him.
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  Speaker 2: So now now he comes forward, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know? Better late than never, I'm not sure about.
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  Speaker 2: So let's see. There's Scott Peterson. Okay, the quintessential please
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  Speaker 2: come home. Then you've got Chris Watts who just stuffed
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  Speaker 2: his wife and children in oil tankers. They were about
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  Speaker 2: that big around at the top and it caused the
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  Speaker 2: little girl's skin to come off their arms.
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  Speaker 1: Just hold that thought, and then he makes his plate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's bell in Selest right there, Shenan trying to
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  Speaker 2: make the perfect home and the perfect family and the
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  Speaker 2: perfect insta family.
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  Speaker 1: Well she's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Her little boy, Nico, died of coffin birth as she died. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what's another great Please come home? Oh I've got an oldie,
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  Speaker 2: but a goodie, Susan Smith.
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  Speaker 1: To whoever has my children that they please, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: please bring them home.
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  Speaker 2: To us where they belong. Okay, I cut out the
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  Speaker 2: crying and the snotting part. That's where our friend's at Wyff.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I can't stress this enough. If you name
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  Speaker 2: a person of interest or a suspect too soon and
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  Speaker 2: you're wrong, that will ruin your case when you go
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  Speaker 2: to trial, because that gives the defense of the real killer.
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  Speaker 2: You know, an avenue, not an avenue I would say,
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  Speaker 2: a full on interstate to drive down and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: they thought it was this guy six months ago, not
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  Speaker 2: my guy, So you're gonna convict my guy on that.
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  Speaker 1: Naming pretty much?
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  Speaker 2: Surely a suspect or a POY person of interest is
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  Speaker 2: a very bad idea. We are not naming a suspect
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  Speaker 2: or pay the Elie Law enforcement has not named one.
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  Speaker 1: Neither have we. But I would like to point out,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Chloe Kay, the sisters as I call them, Nicky's sisters, devoted,
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  Speaker 2: loving sisters. What do you think after all this time
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  Speaker 2: begging Tyler McCain and his family for help, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: including that mother in law, I'm putting her in the.
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  Speaker 1: Same pot to stew asking for help. What happened? What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Where is she?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see her? Did you see your truck? On
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  Speaker 2: and on and on and getting nothing? What do you
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  Speaker 2: think of him McCain coming out with his.
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  Speaker 8: Statement, we're definitely hoping for more, whether it be what
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  Speaker 8: we've been doing this lee for help. You know, we're devastated.
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  Speaker 8: Let us declare our innocence. That's acknowledge some of the accusations.
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  Speaker 8: That's cleared up right now, or maybe the other way,
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  Speaker 8: like this is why I've been silent, this is why
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  Speaker 8: we haven't shared.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, on one or the other.
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  Speaker 2: So the.
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  Speaker 8: What was shared was very That's not what we expected.
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  Speaker 8: We were very surprised that he would come and do
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  Speaker 8: the press conference and really just say that, and we
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  Speaker 8: urgently need your help to find her. We are pleading
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  Speaker 8: with anyone to anyone with information to come forward. This
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  Speaker 8: is a call to action to bring our sister home.
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  Speaker 7: Nikki is approximately five feet tall and she weighs about
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  Speaker 7: ninety ninety five pounds. She has dark brown, reddish colored hair.
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  Speaker 7: She was allegedly last seen May eighteenth, twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 8: She was importedly picked up her mother in law, Jenette Hayward,
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  Speaker 8: of McCain's house at the Ready Rancheria in Reading, California.
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  Speaker 8: She may have been dropped off her home on Olinda
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  Speaker 8: Road in Happy Valley. Her truck that Tyler recently purchased
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  Speaker 8: for her was found abandoned on Highway thirty six near
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  Speaker 8: Beegham Road. She has been seen or heard from since.
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  Speaker 13: The search for Nicki Sie McCain continues, extending now onto
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  Speaker 13: tribal land. The Wind River Casino granted permission for family,
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  Speaker 13: friends and concerned citizens to come together on two days
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  Speaker 13: to search the grounds and by plane.
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  Speaker 1: Chloe Sale.
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  Speaker 13: Nicki's sister tells local news reporters that the area is
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  Speaker 13: close to where McCain was last seen or heard from.
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  Speaker 13: Other parts of tribal grounds remain private due to tribal sovereignty.
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  Speaker 13: Access has to be requested and granted before an area
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  Speaker 13: can be searched.
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  Speaker 3: Just weeks after missing Nikki, Chang's husband breaks his silence.
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  Speaker 3: His home is raided by the FBI and officials rule
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  Speaker 3: the case side what happened to Niki Chank Sale McCain.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if that press conference was used by
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  Speaker 2: Elie law enforcement to poise themselves outside of one of
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  Speaker 2: the locations that were searched, and that would be the
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  Speaker 2: residence Nikki shared with her husband, Tyler McCain as he
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  Speaker 2: was at the presser. That remains to be seen, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm very anxious to learn what was the PC probable
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  Speaker 2: cause for that warrant?
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  Speaker 1: What was the return? The return on a warrant is
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  Speaker 1: what if anything was seized?
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  Speaker 2: And if you are a true crime aficionado like myself,
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  Speaker 2: you can recall cases such as that of Rex Hureman,
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  Speaker 2: where we saw the FEDS and local lee taking out
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  Speaker 2: bag after bag after bag after.
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  Speaker 1: Bag after bag of evidence from Rex Human's home.
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  Speaker 2: That's just an example of when a treasure trope of
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  Speaker 2: evidence is taken from a location.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 14: Detect Us with the Shasta County Sheriff's Office Major Crimes Unit,
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  Speaker 14: along with agents of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau
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  Speaker 14: of Investigation, served as search warrant at one seven two
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  Speaker 14: seven seven Olinda Rhoade Anderson. This addresses where Nikki Chang
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  Speaker 14: Sale McCain resided when she was initially reported missing my
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  Speaker 14: family members on May twenty second. It was after searching
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  Speaker 14: the Olinda Road property that detectives announcy was no longer
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  Speaker 14: a missing person case.
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  Speaker 1: This is a homicide.
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  Speaker 2: What happened inside that residence, what was found that caused
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  Speaker 2: a sudden about face.
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  Speaker 1: All this time we have been working under.
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  Speaker 2: The belief that it was a missing person's case, and
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  Speaker 2: now after that search, it was announced Nicki's case is
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  Speaker 2: no longer a search and recovery. Nicky's case is a
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  Speaker 2: homicide investigation. As I said, joining me in an all
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  Speaker 2: star panel, But now I want to go to special
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  Speaker 2: guest Sean Schwaler joining me reporter at a Newscafe dot
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  Speaker 2: Com Assistant Professor at California State University. Sean, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell me about the raid on
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  Speaker 2: the residence.
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  Speaker 6: Hi, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah.
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  Speaker 6: The raid took the course of several hours on last Friday,
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  Speaker 6: and FBI agents were seeing taking bags out of the home,
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  Speaker 6: multiple bags of evidence, searching through the garage, looking at
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  Speaker 6: tools in the garage.
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  Speaker 2: Sean, you specifically mentioned that tools were examined. I believe
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  Speaker 2: you said in the garage. What do you mean by
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  Speaker 2: that specifically, Sean, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Eyewitness accounts reported that there was a lot of time
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  Speaker 6: spent going through tools in the garage. Now, Tyler is
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  Speaker 6: known to kind of scrap cars and work on cars,
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  Speaker 6: and there's cars all over the property, and his garage
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  Speaker 6: is filled with all kinds of tools, and officials spent
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  Speaker 6: a lot of time just digging through those tools.
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  Speaker 2: That is the last thing you want is the FBI
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  Speaker 2: or LA law enforcem sniffing around your garage, examining your tools.
• 20:03
  Speaker 15: Nicki Sale McCain sends a text message to her sister
• 20:06
  Speaker 15: just after midnight on May eighteenth, saying she's driving Tyler
• 20:09
  Speaker 15: McCain's mother's vehicle back to his mother's home near the
• 20:12
  Speaker 15: wind River Casino. When Nicki doesn't respond to text from
• 20:15
  Speaker 15: her family later that morning at seven am and eight am,
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: the family is concerned. The family immediately begins looking for
• 20:21
  Speaker 15: Nicki and her Chevrolet Avalanche truck. Nicki has four children
• 20:25
  Speaker 15: and would never have left them without notice, and an
• 20:28
  Speaker 15: official missing person report is filed with Shasta County. The
• 20:31
  Speaker 15: sisters of Nicki Chang Sale McCain say what tip them
• 20:34
  Speaker 15: off about their sister's suspicious disappearance were the messages they
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: got from her husband, Tyler McCain. Previously, when Nicky would
• 20:42
  Speaker 15: leave after a fight with Tyler McCain, Tyler would contact
• 20:45
  Speaker 15: her sisters telling them to pass along messages to Nicki,
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: tell her I love her, tell her I'm sorry. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 15: this time he didn't. This time when he texted the sisters,
• 20:54
  Speaker 15: he texted, I think she's missing.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: I think she's missing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: The mystery deepens as missing mom Niki Cheng's case becomes
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a homicide investigation.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Searches going down at multiple locations. It's my understanding that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: not only was Nicki chain home, her residence searched extensively,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: with multiple bags of evidence removed immediately after that search.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: This case was pronounced to be a homicide investigation. We
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: also understand that the mother in law home has also
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: been searched. Everybody on the panel please jump in correct
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong on any of these facts, because
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: every fact matters. Straight back out to Sean Schwaller joining me, Sean,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: can we talk about the search?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Did people you said an eyewitness.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Observed the garage and the home in chief being searched.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Describe what, if anything they could tell you was take
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and from the home.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Well, I heard that black or brown bags were several
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: bags were removed from the home over the course of
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: several hours. In addition to you know, the authorities looking
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: through the garage quite a bit of the tools. There
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: are also some folks that thought that they saw infrared
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: kits being brought into the house and CSA testing kits.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: Not quite sure if that happened, but there were devices
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: brought into the house as bags were coming out.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I wonder what they meant by infrared kits.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: To Brian fitz gibbons Is joining me, Director Operations usp
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: A Nationwide Security Because when you use illuminol, it's not
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: really a kit.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: It's more like spray ball of lysol. That's what it is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You spray illuminol onto surfaces, the floor, the walls, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the iron in blood reacts to the iluminol and it
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: glows like a blue glow. That's how it's actually very
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: chemically simple. That's why luminol is used, and it's sprayed
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: like you would squirt lsol. So that wouldn't necessarily require
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a kit. It would require maybe a flashlight or a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: specialized flashlight to see the blue shine. But what do
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you believe that could possibly have been when the witness
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: describes an infrared kit, what could they have meant?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Fingerprint kit?
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: This could be any number of things, Nancy, And what
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: it likely what these passers by were likely seeing were
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: tools and equipment being used to test for cleaning agents.
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: You know, there's a number of new technologies out there that,
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: especially with the FBI's involvement, the re sources available for
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: this search would have gone up quite a bit, you.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Know, Brian Pitsgibbons, you would think by now most people,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, unless you've been under a rock in a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: cave on the other side of the world, you would
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: know this very very difficult to destroy DNA deoxyribon nucleic acid.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You can't just clean it away with let's just say
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: lysol that doesn't work, or four nine or agent orange.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: You need something that has muriatic acids, such as like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a black Swan solvent to actually break down and get
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: rid of DNA. In fact, actually even bleach which can
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: degrade it, but it doesn't get rid of DNA. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you've got to really work at getting rid of DNA,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and you got to really work.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: To get rid of any evidence of a cleanup.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: If there is blood, a simple spray with luminol will
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: show s white marks.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, just pretend you've got.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Mud on the floor and you take a paper towel
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and you do it like that. That's what it looks
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: like under luminol. It's very visible that a cleanup occurred.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're right about what the witness
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: believed to be.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Infrared kit fingerprints. Yeah, not very helpful because Nikki's prince
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: would be there, the husband's prince would be there, thousands
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: of them, so that's going to be very very difficult
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to isolate prints of any probative nature. Back to you,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Sean Schwaler, So many many bags you stated brown or
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: black in color, which leads me to think that they
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: were like plastic trash bags.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounded like that. Either that or big brown
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: paper bags that were coming under the house.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Multiple I would have expected paper bags. Critical subtle, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: critical difference now, guys. Also very probative is the discover
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of Nikki's avalanche.
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: Listen, A ten thousand dollars reward is established and missing
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: posters are created and passed around on social media and
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: physically put up around reading. Eight days into her disappearance,
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: the Chevy Avalanche that Nikki Sale McCain has been driving
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: is found abandoned in western Taheima County.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: I think she was afraid, so she wanted to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: I'm your older sister and I'm okay, and she didn't want.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: To scare me.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: We didn't know to which degree it had escalated. The
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: incident in December was definitely eye opened it for us.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But she was so terrified, and with good reason.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: When the sisters refer to a previous incident, that's really
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: where this story starts.
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: Listen, Wednesday night, around eight thirty, Nikki Sale McCain is
• 26:54
  Speaker 15: in her bedroom combing her hair. Her husband of thirteen years,
• 26:57
  Speaker 15: Tyler McCain arrives home in a strange mood for no
• 27:00
  Speaker 15: appairent reason. Tyler McCain aggressively jumps on top of nik
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: holding her on the ground, then dragging her around, yelling
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: what are you doing? Nicki says, Tyler McCain's eyes are
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: glazed over. Nicky tries calming her husband, but it doesn't work,
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: and he holds her down and begins hitting her in
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: the face. The terror escalates over a three hour period,
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: with McCain binding Nicki's wrists and ankles together with tape,
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: putting tape over her mouth so she couldn't speak properly,
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: rolling his wife onto her stomach. Tyler McCain sits on
• 27:28
  Speaker 15: her back, pulling her hair back, forcefully pulling her head
• 27:31
  Speaker 15: back and telling her he's going to kill her.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: The abuse, the terror, the attack on Nicki Chin lasted
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: for hours and hours and hours, and she managed to escape.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: She then went to the hospital where the attack was documented.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: This is not a he say, she say straight out
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to K four. Nicki's sister. What was documented at the hospital.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Wore her injuries after this attack, had injuries.
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: To her face, Her eyes were swollen. She had injuries
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: I believe on her her neck and various parts of
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: her body.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: The a doctor and Deputy Maul described how both of
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Nikki's eyes were severely black and both swollen.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: She had been.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Traumatized all over her whole body. To Chloe, when you
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: finally got Nikki to tell you what happened, what did
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: she say?
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: She told me that she thought she was going to die.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Did she describe what happened?
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: Yes, she.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: I think when it first happened, it was still kind
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: of fresh, but I think she was just so shaken up.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: She's like, she just came out of nowhere and you
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: just started attacking me. He was hitting me, and I
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: know that At one point she did tell me that
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: he taped her mouth with tape and he had gotten
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: water and he had poured water all over her face
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: to where she couldn't breathe, and she said that she
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: thinks that he was trying to drown her. And then
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: she did say it did go on for a really
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: long time. She didn't know how much time had passed,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: but she did say she remembered waking up on the
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: cold floor. She was soaking wet, and she said, Tyler, please,
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: can you get me a blanket? I'm so cold, and
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: then he came back and started hitting her again. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: I remember she said lots of her head was being hit,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: her body was sore, and she said she was really scared.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: She said, I thought I was going to die.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Sean Schwaller joining us from my newscafe dot com.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Sean, I want to be clear.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Tyler McCain was never convicted and the attack on Nikki, he.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Was charged, but the charges were dropped.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Why right right after the court proceeding Star did for
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: the domestic violence charges against Tyler right after that. That
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: started on May seventh, and Nikki went missing on the eighteenth,
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: right after the case started in the courts. And then
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: in July of fifth, twenty twenty four, DA Stephanie Bridget
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: dismissed the domestic violence case against Tyler.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So bottom line, Sean Schwaller, the case was dropped because
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Niki couldn't be found to be the witness.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: That's correct, and that is what the DA said, that
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: Niki was needed to be there to be in court,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: despite the fact that there was a very very detailed
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: report taken by Deputy Mall in the hospital when Niki
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: was hospitalized.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Sadly, under the constitution Dwayne Capes the sixth Amen that specifically,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: every defendant has a right to cross examine witnesses against him,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and in this case, without Niki, he would be denied
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: his rights under the constitution.
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: Correct The district attorney did their correct thing by dismissing
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: the case, because again, if she didn't just miss the
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: case and he went to trial and won, for the
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: case was thrown out once they impaneled the jury, then
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: double jeopardy would attach and she would never be able
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: to prosecute him for that. Again, by dismissing the charges.
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: There's a three year statute limitations in California on felonies,
• 31:17
  Speaker 16: and so they have a couple more years to to
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: try to try to find Nikki, and if they find
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: her then and she's dead, I don't know that these
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: charges will come up, but there may be other kinds
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: of charges.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Karen start joining me renowned psychologist at Karenstark dot com. Karen,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the single most dangerous time for a woman is one
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: when she's pregnant. Believe it or not, the number one
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: cause of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: not heart attack, not stroke, it's homicide. And two, when
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the woman is trying to leave an abusive relationship, explain.
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: That's an alarm. And that's what I thought immediately, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: I'm sure her family did too.
• 32:15
  Speaker 15: The sisters of Nicki Chang Slee McCain say what tip
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: them off about their sister's suspicious disappearance were the messages
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: they got from her husband, Tyler McCain. Previously, when Nicky
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: would leave after a fight with Tyler McCain, Tyler would
• 32:29
  Speaker 15: contact her sisters, telling them to pass along messages to Nicki.
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: Tell her I love her, tell her I'm sorry. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 15: this time he didn't. This time when he texted the sisters,
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: he texted, I think she's missing. I don't know. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: think she's missing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: Our mission is clear. We must bring Nicki home. Your
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: help is critical and we welcome any support from those
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: who know and love her. We have connected with the
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: missing person's community, including Gabby Patito's mother. Gabby Patito was
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: found after it hit from soul social media, and we
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: haven't lost hope. We just asked that you continue to
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: please keep Nicki in your thoughts, but more importantly, don't
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: forget about her.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Get the word out on social media.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: We're using hashtag Where's Niki.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: There was a thirty thousand dollars reward in the search
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: for Niki chan number five to three zero two four
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: five six five four zero.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: The sister said it so much.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: More eloquently than I ever could. Any information matters. It's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: my understanding that multiple theories abound, one of them being
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: that Nicki's body was moved to Chloe Seally. Have you
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: heard that theory?
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: Yes, I've heard that theory, and I've also heard other
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: theories as well, that she was moved from one car
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: to another car, and we're moved from where she was
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: last killed into another location.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: Yes, we've heard that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, four, have you heard similar theories?
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: I have you know? To echo what Clee said, we
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: have heard the where the attack took place and potentially
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: where she was actually killed, or two different locations, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: then once she was killed at one location and then
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: moved potentially when law enforcement might be looking for her,
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: and then potentially moved back there. So we have heard
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: that there have been many moves and many and transported
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: many of different vehicles.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Again, no one has been named a person of interest
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: or a suspect in this case. Now, there have been
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: many cases in the history of crime, of course, where
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: families have really stuck together, covering.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: For each other. And since I've us Scott Paterson so often,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: why not again?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Now, As you will recall, when Scott Peterson was on
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the run just before his arrest and the murder of
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Lacey and the unborn child Connor, he was caught in
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a brand new Mercedes Benz bought under his mother's name,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: with his brother's driver's license, with ten thousand dollars, camping gear,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a water purifier, and a year's worth of viagra. Now,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the family said, no, he wasn't trying to escape law enforcement.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: He was trying to escape the media so he could
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: get in around of golf at Tory Pine's golf club.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, then let's see family sticking together. All in the family.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: We've got the case of the two missing Kentucky moms.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Now charge is a whole network of family and friends.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: These two beautiful women murdered over custody. They were taking
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the children at issue to a children's birthday party and
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it turned into a double homicide. Now under arrest, multiple
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: family members of the alleged killer. That's Veronica Butler and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Gillian Kelly and now sitting behind bars. Mother in law
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Donna Adelson charged along with her son who's been convicted
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and the murder of her son in law.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's the brother, please get him. A Bobby pen
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: charged in the murder.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Of her son in law, Professor Markel Why over child custody.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Then you've got Caitlin.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Armstrong who went on the run to Costa Rica after
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: murdering her victim.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: There she is.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: She even had a plastic surgery to complete makeover. A
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: world class bike rider, A cyclist Maureen dead over.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: A boyfriend, Colin Strickland.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: She was found in Costa Rica under her assumed name,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: having used her sisters ID and passport. Sister never charged.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: What families will do to protect each other, including a murder.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Speaking of protecting, don't even get me started on the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: tribal land that has only given limited access and the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: search for Nikki. The tribal land. Let me point out
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Tyler McCain is a direct descendant of an original tribal elder,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Art Hayward. That's something to think about. And of course
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: tribal territory is not under the jurisdiction of local law
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: enforcement or even the US government. To Karen Stark, weigh in.
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: Nancy, if you take a look at the domestic violence
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: that she reported, and we know she went to the hospital,
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: you take a look at the fact that he had
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: contradictory stories that she disappeared right after she was worried
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: about her life, and she said she was threatened. Even
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: though we don't have a suspect in this case, there's
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: an awful lot that's suspicious here. This man can have
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: his ego affected. He needs to come across well. He's
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: a narcissist, he's a liar, and I really feel like
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: we have to take a look at what's going on
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: that all of a sudden he's changing, he's not being angry,
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: he's coming across well. Everything is extremely suspicious.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Chloe, Nikki's sister, what is your message tonight?
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: My message is that if anyone is involved or know
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: if something, please come forward. You don't want to you
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: don't want to be in trouble for this. So if
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: you know anything, please come forward, because if you don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: come forward, then consequences are going to be a lot tougher.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: This has changed from a missing person to a homicide. Case,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: and I advise anyone that knows anything to come forward
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: now and speak get a deal. It certainly beats a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: death penalty. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,