Latest / Caught on the Mike... / Filmmaker- Bron Theron

Transcript

Filmmaker- Bron Theron · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or physics of any entities today representative.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Listener discretion is advised.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: And its art is so much better for it.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Caught on the Mike.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: I said recently, actually I've said it a few times, I do not believe in coincidences, but I do believe in serendipitous moments.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: I just recently had my friend Corinne Nemick on the podcast, and usually when I have a really great episode with a really great guest, it springs forth a bunch of opportunities for me to meet some really cool and interesting people.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Today is no exception.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: My next guest is an independent filmmaker.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's friends with Corrin as well.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: They have a history together in the world of graffiti.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bron Theron, thanks for joining me on the show today.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me, sir.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, it is a pleasure.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to waste a whole lot of time.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get right into it.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of what's your origin story and your background?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Explain what it is you do and how you got into it to my audience.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like you said, I'm an independent filmmaker, which, you know, we'll probably get into later, means a lot of different things nowadays.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but uh, you know, I got into filmmaking in general, uh, being a documentarian of graffiti, uh, skateboarding.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up skateboarding and doing graffiti.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm from Santa Cruz, California.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um those art forms kind of brought me into you know photography and and filming and all that kind of stuff.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And now I work on much more narrative projects.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: But my whole origin is from, like you said, the graffiti background, and that's definitely how I know Mr.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Coronemic.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is it about the culture in general of like the graffiti culture, the hip hop culture, the skate culture that kind of leads people down to that creative path and other avenues of life?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's a commonality, right?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like people get into photography, get into music.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: It all correlates in some form or another, doesn't it?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I mean, the arts in general, uh, I feel is very influential to young people.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, that's what spoke to me when I was young skateboarding and punk rock and graffiti and the alternative lifestyle, the rebellious lifestyle.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's kind of what teenagers are drawn to, you know.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, ironically, I'm still drawn to it, even though I'm very well past my prime.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: But uh that's both of us, bro.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, past my prime in this department in life, but over here in this department in life, I'm in my prime, you know, so it is what it is.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, I definitely think uh, you know, what drove drew me to it was the rebellious nature of the art forms and how much influence, um, you know, just being it was kind of like when you first got into graffiti, like I got into graffiti in the 90s, so early 90s, so it was kind of like a secret society, if you will.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: There was obviously it's illegal, so you know, it's kind of like you can't talk about fight club kind of situations.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the same as it is nowadays.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a little bit more accepted nowadays.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, when I got into it, it was kind of like a secret thing, and not a lot of people knew about it.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: And that that's that I mean, that's the uh uh I think appeal of punk rock music too, and certain type of alternative music.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a huge audience, you know what I mean?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a flood of everybody liking something, so you're kind of going against the grain a little bit, and that feels good, you know what I mean.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good feeling when you're young to discover things for yourself and you know be influenced by things that aren't very normal and uh saturated in life, and you know.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not everybody grows up and becomes a doctor and a lawyer, you know what I mean?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think um I don't know how it has impacted you, but I know it kind of impacts me in different ways and affects my sense of nostalgia when those things that used to be on the fringe and used to be forms of rebellion kind of have their inflection point and then they become widely accepted in the mainstream, like punk rock, like hip-hop, like graffiti, like skateboarding.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like how does that impact you?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you does it make you nostalgic and kind of miss the days when it was a little bit more of a risk?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it definitely makes me miss the days.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh it's kind of strange because you know, I remember it going back to the 90s and talking about punk rock.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I used to listen to the band Green Day, which was a pr it's a pretty big band nowadays, right?
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when I used to listen to them, nobody knew who they were.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people have this story, but you know, once something becomes popular, all of a sudden you see it differently.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, well, you know, why don't all these people like it now?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't really change the music per se.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: The band's gonna do what the band's gonna do.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just because they got a better PR person or a better marketing team or whatever, and more people like them, shouldn't really impact you, but it kind of does.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: You feel kind of like because you you're emotionally invested in something that you know something about and no one else knows about it, and then when everybody catches on, you're like, Oh, I knew that the whole time, you know.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so I do feel like I I miss the good old days when it's smaller, more intimate, more closed uh circuit in all these genres we're talking about, including hip-hop.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: I love hip-hop too.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, do massive amount of work with a lot of hip-hop artists, and um, so yeah, I I love you know all this art, but yeah, it it it changes, and you know, sometimes I don't know if you ever read the book The Tipping Point, but there's a whole book about this whole phenomenon about something going good, something going good, it's good artwork or whatever it is, the brand, shoe, whatever it is.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then all of a sudden one day it just goes over this tipping point, and all of a sudden everybody knows about it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's making a lot of money, and it's worth this.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: The value goes up to here.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And right now, as you know, like value is placed on eyeballs, so the more eyeballs on something, they place higher value.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's kind of an interesting correlation we can make.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Is I'm I have teenage kids, and um listening to their music or watching their musical tastes form and their habits form, because the um infrastructure has changed so much into streaming and such, people aren't as beholden to genres kind of like they were in our generations, where your punk rock crowd was your punk rock crowd, your hip-hop crowd was your hip-hop crowd.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're so much more diverse and they don't know genre lines like we did, you know, in our heyday.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a huge mix of stuff, but I feel like that was really starting as well in our day, like you know, when Rage Against the Machine came out, you know what I mean?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a mix of this and that, and it was amazing, you know.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, the mixes nowadays, and I have to admit, I'm I'll be the first one to tell you, I don't listen to any anything your kids are listening to right now, I do not listen to.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, man.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: My I've got a daughter that is obsessed with everything 90s.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Everything 90s.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, if it's in the 90s, I'll listen to it.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about all this new stuff like he read and whatever.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't touch it with a 10-foot pole either.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's doing uh she's doing a cover band right now, and she's like, Yeah, dad, I'm covering like Cether by Varuka Salt, I'm singing this, I'm singing that.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, holy shit, how did you find this?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, of course, pat on my own back, because it had to have been my influence, right?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, if it's the old stuff, I I'm just talking about this new stuff, you know what I mean?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and and I don't even talk about it with anybody because I just sound like the old guy that doesn't like the new music, you know.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't talk about it.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you don't you want to be grandpa gatekeeping, right?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I'm not I'm not, I'm just talking about my personal taste, you know.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I don't go around trying to find the new Kendrick Lamar song.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't do that.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't care.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's funny, I I will tell you, you so you messaged me what two nights ago.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yesterday I was kind of scrolling through your social media, and I lost count at the number of bad religion songs um that you used on different reels and different things on Instagram, and I'm like, yeah, this this guy's one of my people.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like Bad Religion was one of my favorite bands back in the day, and like still to this day, you know.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, Yep, this guy's one of my people.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm I'm heavily influenced by punk rock music.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I was married last July by Fat Mike uh from No Effects at the Punk Rock Museum in Vegas.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I have friends that are in punk bands and hip hop bands and stuff like that.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: So music is a you know a huge influence on me, uh, and a huge influence on any video related stuff I do.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Music's well, and that's how I was gonna tie it because what's weird is throughout my podcast, while it's not a music-centric podcast, it's kind of like the central nervous system to everything I do, um, with different, you know, whether I'm touching in the MMA space or I'm touching in the music space or you know, cinema or comedy or anything along those lines, it kind of all correlates back to music.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of times that is the lifeblood of our universe.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: So how I was gonna tie this is how has the film industry changed and how has these influences that you've had in your life affected you as a filmmaker in the product you produce?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, uh, like I mentioned, I'm I'm from Santa Cruz, California, which is a vi a little surf uh skate punk rock town, you know.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I grew up doing graffiti.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: I lived up and down the west coast and finally made my way to LA.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I live in Long Beach now.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I always kind of wanted to make movies, right?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what my goal was.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: I want to make movies.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And when I first moved down here, you know, I got some acting roles, and you know, I did it's few and far between you get gigs because you know it's just such a saturated market with all this competition.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um but like when I first uh moved back to you know to California and down uh to this area, I don't think I could have done what I'm doing now, and what I'm doing now is you know, independent film.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm putting together crews, we're we're shooting uh we've shot stuff on iPhones, we've shot, you know, the technology has changed so drastically.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so drastically that I could do a top-notch quality film uh with very low amount of money.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's number one, the biggest thing that has changed is you can actually make your story happen a lot cheaper now than you could even just ten years ago.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I think that that kind of feeds into everybody's work, like like the guy that just won all the Oscars, you know, uh Sean Baker, he won all these Oscars for Enora.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, a few years ago, he made a whole movie on an iPhone.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Tangerine.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he comes from the independent world of filmmaking.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know if Enora was technically an independent film because it's a six million dollar budget with like an$18 million Oscar market budget.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't consider that independent film, you know what I mean?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're getting together with your friends and you have a script and you're trying to like make shit happen and make it on a you know a somewhat professional level, you could do it right now, you know, easily.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I think that that has been one of the major changes.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Number two major changes based on technology, a lot of people don't go to movie theaters anymore, which is sad.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because as a filmmaker, that's what you want.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: You want an audience to see your movie on a huge screen.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, like I like me, we did, and you probably did this too, but in the 90s I would go to movie theaters all the time.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: The weekends, I'd go to movie theaters, we'd watch movies, sneak into movies, da-da-da, movies, movies, movies.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Nowadays, all these movies they don't make any money.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: These they spend a hundred million dollars on a movie and it makes no money.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh then it's out on your streaming service, you watch it on your phone within a month, it's released.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's just technology's just going so fast that it's changing the whole industry.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, some of it's for good and some of it's for bad.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't think most people can make a living.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if you're in it for the art form, I think it's good for you.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in it to make money, you might be in trouble.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that streaming has enabled a quantity over quality metric that maybe hasn't as existed as much before?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um well, I do think that content, the more content you create, the more you have a chance of winning.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't matter what the quality is, it's just more is better.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I think YouTube kind of made it like that, you know what I mean?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because now they have people that they're just famous from YouTube, you know, like Logan Paul and his brother or whatever.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're just YouTubers, you know, like they're multimillionaires from YouTube and they're celebrities.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's changed the the market a lot.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, at the end of the day, if you really analyze filmmaking in general, it's kind of always been like a rich man's hobby.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's oh it's always been that.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: And if some people made money, then okay.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: But if you analyze how much money is actually made, it's not as much as you think.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: So like you read those head you know, headlines in the newspaper, like, oh, Titanic made whatever record-breaking numbers, and I'm sure it did, but they don't tell you how much the budget was for the movie, and then the budget for the marketing.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like um, one of the rules of thumb is if your movie make your movie has to make double and a half times the budget in the theater for it to break even.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: So think about it.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Think about double and a half.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: So if you spend a million, uh a hundred million on a movie, you have to make two hundred and fifty million in the theater.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, no movies are making that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Or just not.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we kind of talked about like graffiti having an influence, you know, punk rock culture, hip-hop culture, and music, but independent filmmaking kind of had a renaissance in the 90s, which really was a spark-to-fire moment for a lot of people.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm assuming it was kind of a spark to fire moment for you as well.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Am I off base?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I anybody growing up, I think, in our uh genre in the 90s, you know, if you want to talk about the 90s, I think everybody, even non-filmakers, were impressed from uh like Kevin Smith and Tarantino and uh Robert Rodriguez.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was just gonna say him.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Robert Rodriguez is so good.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know, like I I don't like all his movies, but his work ethic and his skill and talent level is so high that it's just like it's very, very influential, very, very motivational.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I've actually worked on a couple projects uh for Troublemaker Studios um for Robert Rodriguez, and I was this close to talking to him one time, but I wasn't able to talk to him.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he is a hero of mine for sure.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was it's funny you mentioned that because I was thinking about you know, Tarantino, Kevin Smith, and Robert Rodriguez, and I was just thinking the other day, I've been meaning to go back and watch four rooms all over again because it's been forever since I've watched it.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that was such a great piece because each of the rooms was done by a different director, and it all and the story just ties together.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, God, I gotta, I gotta show my like again.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I go back to my daughter, I gotta show her that movie, you know?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that one's kind of an anthology in a way.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I, you know, I think about what my group of friends watching habits were in the 90s, and most of it was independent film.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was going to the video store and grabbing that obscure movie that there was only one copy of, and then kind of having those water cooler moments the next day discussing it with your friends that haven't watched that.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something about film culture that I kind of miss that doesn't seem to be as prevalent these days.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not the same.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I guess to match you know, 2025 with one of those moments would be like a viral video, I guess.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or a or a funny meme.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you can make memes or gifs, um gifts are a big thing.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: The GIFs, right?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, right, right.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: My sound guy that's on all my movies, he makes gifts for my movie projects.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's just like a quick, like, ah, like this, that you know what I mean?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so good because that's how a lot of young people communicate.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: They just do an emoji or a gif or a meme, you know, to apply to people.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there is value in that.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just uh weird, you know, it's just a new shorter value than it was in the 90s when you're talking about office space, you're like, show them my old face.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, everybody knows what that is back then, you know.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, now I could probably just send a gift and it means the same thing, you know.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm sorry, but I got this is another one of those serendipitous moments.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: One of my friends sent me that gift today.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I really shit you not.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was listening to an episode of a recent episode I did, and uh, it was with a music artist, and they were talking about how much they love David Bowie, but also how much they love Blink 182.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And my buddy sends me a text and he goes, Blink 182 and Bowie, and then sends me that gift.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just sorry, that just caught me off guard.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Those are those are yeah, and I I thank my luggage stars for my sound guy.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: He he actually comes up with a lot of marketing stuff because that that falls in the category of marketing, you know.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so if you see that, even if you got something and you haven't seen it, you're like, well, what is this?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, it makes you question, well, what is this?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Then now I need to go investigate this and look what this is.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into the weeds of your work, because right now you are on like day nine of a shoot of a new project called Fear Anonymous.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: I do want to talk about that.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you're about to do festival circuit with your recent movie, Pancake Man.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the concept of Pancake Man, what that movie is about.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Pancake Man is a revenge slasher, thriller, crime movie.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's kind of like the movie Falling Down.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: If Falling Down with Michael Douglas was like on steroids and all of a sudden had like a Goodfellas twist to it, uh and a slasher element.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a guy, uh it starts off very, very, very, very similar to the um scene in Falling Down with Michael Douglas where he's trying to get breakfast.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that that scene where he wasn't allowed breakfast, and then he you know goes crazy in the in the he has all these guns and he shoots up the place.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so ours kind of starts off like that, and then it kind of has a reservoir dogs effect where like this guy goes crazy, but then it shows you flashbacks of what happened beforehand.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it goes like he starts stabbing people with a fork, of course.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes a flashback of six minutes ago, and then sixty minutes ago, and then six days ago, and then six months ago.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so it kind of shows you that this guy has had some rough times, and his story triggers two other stories.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: He accidentally kills a mob boss's kid in the beginning scene, and then the older brother of this kid is uh looking for him the whole movie, kind of like a film the war-ish kind of thing, and then it triggers this other small town gang to uh very pulp fiction-y.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Well, let's rob a diner because look at what happened here.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it kind of it's a story that triggers other stories, and then they all meet at the end, kind of like a guy richie film.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh love that huge Mexican standoff at the end.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's it.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we we actually have already been doing the festival circuit, and we won Best Uh Horror Feature at the Silicon Beach uh film festival at the Chinese theater, and now we're going to England uh May 10th and 11th.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be in a film festival there beside the Seaside Film Festival, which is awesome.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I actually won Best Picture there two years ago for Half Dead Fred, the movie that uh I did with Corinne.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, the festival circuit's really fun, and and we're doing we're four walling too, so we're doing theaters.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: We've done quite a few already, and we'll do more.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we'll probably do like a 20 theater run eventually.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, or a small, a small run, you know, that's what we're focusing on for Pancake Band.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: But Pancake Band is an exciting movie.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think you'd like it.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and it sounds like you're you're not afraid to embrace some of your own personal influences and kind of some of the fingerprints that find themselves in your art.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's definitely it's like homages, you know.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I won't take the same lines, but like if for example, in Half Dead Fred, I have stuff that's very uh homage to pulp fiction, you know, very, very homage.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like with the same names of people and the same cadence of the talking and stuff like that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do exact line verbatim, but but if you're a fan, you'll know, right?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, so if you can check out uh that movie, it's it's already out.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Half Dead Fred is on Tubi and uh you know Apple TV, Amazon, uh all those.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, Corin kills it in that movie.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you if you're a fan of Coronimic, that's I feel like that movie highlights Coronimic's skills a little bit more than some other movies I've seen.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and that recent movie he did uh Place of Bones.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I like that movie a lot.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I went I went to the premiere of that, and uh that's a good movie.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: He it it made him look really good.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: He he's got some skills, but he really he really did well at this character.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote that character for him, and uh yeah, so watch off Dead Fred if you can.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about Fear Anonymous, what you're working on right now.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like it's uh it's pretty you're only nine days in, but it sounds like it's pretty grueling, you're a little tired, you're a little working a little hard.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was out last night uh and we drove back this morning from Fallbrook, which is about two hours from me.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we did a night shoot last night.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so Fear Anonymous is more of a psychological thriller horror.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of um it's like a a therapy group, like think Alcoholics Anonymous, but people talk about their fears.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's awesome.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so when each pure person talks about their f uh fears, it kind of goes into their story, so that's why it's an anthology.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then there's kind of a wraparound situation with uh a stranger that comes to the room and then you know he tells his story, and then I don't want to spoil the ending, but the ending has a very like uh fight club type of reveal.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sweet.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm super into reveals, you know.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I like uh I like movies that make you think like you're watching something and you think you're watching this, and then when they reveal something, you realize, oh, I haven't been watching this, I'm watching this, you know, and yes, it's in his mind, and oh, he's the killer, and oh, you know, like I like those aha moments, you know what I mean?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm the same way, I'm the same exact way.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I just recently finished watching um a show on Hulu called Paradise.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen that yet?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my buddy's in Paradise.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: We we just watched that.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So my buddy Verlin uh Roberts, he's in the movie, he plays Brooks uh in that show, Paradise.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and he's been actually a producer on uh the last he was a producer on Panic Man and Half Dead Fred.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's crazy.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Small world.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's a tiny bit.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, the reveal at the end of the first episode, I was like, yeah, holy shit! I watched it by myself.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: It made you want to watch it again uh the next one.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I told my wife, I'm like, I'm not gonna watch any more until I can sit down and watch this first episode with you.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we ended up binging the whole series in one sitting.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's good, yeah, it's good.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what's crazy about that is like, you know, I he's uh a little bit newer to acting, my buddy, and um uh I probably would have put him in something, but he joined the SAG union pretty quickly when he moved down here.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so I never was able to put him in my stuff because he's pretty strictly wanting to do thag work, which is fine, but uh you know it kind of limits you when you only do union work.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: But right, that's that's a big score.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: That job that he got on that is is a pretty pretty good one, you know.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, the show is amazing.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I love shows if it's episodic.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love shows that they give you a cliffhanger at the end that just makes you want to binge, you know, like like that Game of Thrones thing where you're watching Game of Thrones and they do this crazy shit at the end where you're like, oh, well, I need to see the next episode.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Should we just watch it now?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: It would be great if we just watch it now.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yes, and that that's oh my gosh, I felt like such a lazy pile of shit because I sat around and watched it all in one sitting, but it was glorious because every episode ended like that.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was like what what right and that's a I it's not necessarily film noir, but it's definitely mystery, you know what I mean?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's a there's a there's a part of the mystery that's solved at the end of every episode that leads you to the bigger mystery, and that really just comes down to the writing, which I am super into writing, you know what I mean?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I pay attention to that so much, you know.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: We we could watch any movie, and you know, I'll let the lighting go, the camera work, the soundtrack, all these things.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, whatever.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: But what was the story?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: What was the story like keeping my attention?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Did I want to know about this character?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Did I care about this character?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like those things and the writing, so important to me.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's I mean, kind of how I break down films and and and you know, figure out if I want to keep watching them, or if I like that director-writer, or whatever, you know.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: What's a type of genre that you haven't explored yet for yourself and your own creative output that you would like to touch at some point in time?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good question.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really, really, really want to do movies like The Goonies, uh, Stand By Me, which uh even SLC Punk, which are like more coming-of-age movies for teenagers.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't got into that because it's not that easy working with kids.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, actually, we had a kid on set last night and he was amazing, but uh sometimes it's not that easy because of work schedules and school schedules and you know, right, right.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I would love to get into that genre, just the coming of age, young person story, and I I hope to do that before I get too old and out of touch, which I probably already am technically, you know what I mean?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I want to I want to do it at some point.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh even if it's I I don't, you know, it's it's hard to it's hard to pinpoint, but I would rather do that genre than a lot of the other genres.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love crime and I love mystery and I love noir.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm not even a big fan of horror, but a lot of my stuff falls in horror because it's just cheaper to make that, it's cheaper to sell it, it's it's an easier digesting word, but I would say most of the films I've worked on so far it are not exactly horror, they're more of a thriller.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like horror adjacent, if you will.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they do that a lot.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they they make movies and they just put it in the horror category so they can get the horror audience, but it doesn't necessarily fit there, you know what I mean?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: But that genre in in particular has like a really high engagement because of because of a person's emotional response to the story because it's so instantaneous and in the moment.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of your early works was primal rap.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like a takeoff on spinal tap, but in the hip-hop world.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever thought about going back to the documentary world?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: And what type of subject matter would you cover these days?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think about that, and the only subject matter I would cover is graffiti, because uh that's the world that I understand the most and that I've spent most of my life, you know, doing.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's probably all I would go back to.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been involved with a few recently that have been released, and the releasing is different now.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: I see, like back then, when I I used to make these graffiti videos called Graph Life, and I made three of them.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I learned how to edit, that's how I uh, you know, just got into filmmaking in general.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I got a really good job when I moved back to California, and I would travel with bands and I would do graffiti on can or no, it's not really graffiti, I would do artwork on canvas, you know, while the bands were playing.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was on tour with like, you know, everyone from De La Soul to LL Cool J and The Roots and all these bands, you know, that I looked up to when I was a kid.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh while I was doing that, I was simultaneously shooting this different cities, and then I'd come back home, edit together, you know, this kind of documentary, but it was more like a skate video, you know what I mean?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like back in the day when they had skate videos, it was kind of like fast splash of this and that.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: But we'd have like, you know, commentary and documentation.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I actually interviewed the far side when I was on tour with them, and they were part of one of my movies, and you know, so that world was a little different back then because even the releasing and even where it would go, which would be DVD, um, was smaller.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now I just worked on a few projects that are out and they're on like Amazon and stuff like that, and I feel like the illegality of it is just kind of overlooked now because it and I think that's like thanks to like people like Vice Magazine and other, you know, companies like that that really like they go to Guatemala and they go to all these crazy places and interview drug dealers and prostitutes and all this illegal shit.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like normalizing uh documentation on illegal subjects.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And there's like there's shows right now on Netflix and Hulu about weed farming and shit like that, and you know, it's just becoming okay.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Long story short, it's becoming okay.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: So if I jump jumped back into the filmmaking world of just graffiti stuff, I think I would be fine.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I I think we'd be able to release it better, I think I'd make a better film and all that kind of stuff.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that's probably the only documentation I would get back and do, unless it is like a high-paying gig, you know?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that totally makes sense.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: So since you spent some time on the road touring with different musici musicians and such, punk rock guy, hip-hop guy, what's your most favorite hip-hop song of all time?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: And what's your most favorite punk rock song of all time?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a tough one.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna really point you to the wire there.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if I could even figure out all time.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um of my favorite bands, though, I can just think of my favorite bands.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: So punk rock.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's a dude, that's a tough question there, right?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm gonna say my answer, and then my friends will see it and be like, Well, why didn't you say our song that you did the music video for?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, so you know what?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite songs is actually by a friend of mine, um, thinking about friends, is uh there's a rapper named A Wall One, and he's in Shapeshifters, and he has a song called Rhythm, and it's a really good song.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: The beat is really good, and recently he licensed it to a commercial of some sort, and I was in some liquor store in Venice buying some something, and I look up and it's on the TV.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the 90s, you know what I mean?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: It had like a little tiny TV, and all of a sudden I saw the commercial and I heard his song, and I'm all oh shit, you know, like it just put two or two together.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that I think that's one of my favorite hip-hop songs.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I think one of the best hip-hop songs of all time, though, is probably The Message, uh, which is Grandmaster Flash, I believe.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's that's probably uh when you're talking all time, I think that's my choice.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and punk rock, oof, that's super tough.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I will take this time to plug some punk rock people that I know because I'm in some of their videos.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a band called Co-Defendants, um, which Fat Mike is a producer on this band.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know them?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know of them.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're uh they're publicist, I actually know.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: So if you watched their last videos, uh, I was in a couple of their videos.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I play a sweet A Cop that kills them at the end of one of them.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's the one with the DOC where they brought the DOC and he did a verse on the song.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's called Fast Ones.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I did the artwork for it, and my my wife did the art, me and my wife did the artwork for that music video, and then I got to be an actor in it.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but that's a really good band.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and uh my buddy Sammy from that band, it's Sammy and Chesky and uh Fat Mike from No Effects, and I love them all, uh, even though Fat Mike probably won't remember me ever.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: But everybody else will and uh actually at my wedding I saw, yeah, I'm the guy that killed, and he's like, Oh, so maybe you'll remember me now.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: See, the thing is, I've met Fat Mike probably four times in my life, you know what I mean?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Starting from when I was a teenager at Warp Tour all the way to getting married, you know, 30 something years later.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, anyway, that band's a good band, so I fully endorse that band.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, go check them out, they're co-defendants.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if you're saying like favorite song, I don't know if I have a favorite punk song.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I still listen to old punk stuff all the time, and like you noticed Bad Religion, uh Pennywise was huge for me.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh No Effects, The Descendants, The Vandals.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, all the epitaph bands.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, the Vandals.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I used to live next to SST Records down here.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no kidding.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the well, the gym, the boxing gym I go to was owned by Eric, the drummer of No Effects, and Doug, he was a drummer in The Vandals at one point.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I had a really strong tie to all these bands.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: I always have.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I I mean, can we even can we even think of a the best punk song of all time?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what's yours?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: So so my favorite hip-hop song of all time is 93 Tale Infinity by Souls of Mischief.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just saw them.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: I just saw them recently.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, like anytime I hear that, it is like audio time machine.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's instantaneously.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the way that it was used in Jonah Hill's mid-90s movie, I was like, okay, yeah, this this is it for me.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is that's my favorite.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as punk goes, like there's so many different generations and iterations of punk that it would be really it's really hard to pick it out.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I'm a fan of Misfits and the Clash and stuff like that.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm also a big fan of like the mid-90s stuff, the the epitaph stuff, and even some of the early 2000s stuff.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I love the song Sorrow by Bad Religion.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's another one of those, like, like when I hear it, it is a nostalgic piece for me.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: It it it's it's a hard, it's really a lot harder to answer the punk song side than it is the hip hop side.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I can just name all my favorite punk bands.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, like I don't know if you see this in your see the Sid Vicious back there that I painted?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh can you see that in the corner?
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, I uh unfortunately I can't.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let me see.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on a second.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I made this, and I'm trying to make this go to the punk rock museum, actually, but oh, that is amazing, dude.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: So if you look closely down there, uh below him, there's all these logos, Operation Ivy, uh the Vandals, you know, Suicidal Tendencies, Dead Kennedys, Ramones, Sex Pistols, you know, there's all these, you know, my and they're all my favorite bands, you know what I mean?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: So so you know, if you want to go back far, you know, that in the influence and stuff like that, I think I think you're more on the right page with the clash and the Ramones, um, you know, the the older stuff that kind of influences the punk rock, or minor threat is huge, right?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Minor threat, and I think for me, my introduction to punk rock was Minor Threat and Operation Ivy.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Operation Ivy is so good, like that album that they made, the compilation one, so good that it sells to this day, and people still buy the C D.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can still buy the C D if you look online and they still sell it for top dollar because it's so good.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: My my first bands when I was singing in bands were ska bands.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I being a Midwest guy, I lived in the perfect midpoint between Omaha, Nebraska, and Des Moines, Iowa.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: And my little nine-piece ska band used to open shows for Slipknot when they were a local band.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and so it was the that is the weirdest damn combination in the world.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: But when I was playing ska, like I was listening to the clash pretty much non-stop.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so, of course, it was the clash, it was op Ivy, it was rancid, it was the second wave ska bands, the third wave ska bands, like I don't know, man.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I love I love talking about this stuff.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: I could nerd out about punk rock and music in general for hours.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I can too.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what's crazy is when you're a teenager, you know, I would go to obviously all these punk rock shows and crowd surf and jump here and you know, hurt my mosh pit, all that kind of stuff.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, when you when I grew up and and I feel like just in the last 10 years, I started meeting all these people that I used to go to their shows.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just a trip.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like I met the guitarist or Pennywise at this bar.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're actually shooting at this bar close that I met the I don't know.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just keep meeting all these people, and you and I'm like, wow, what a small world that I could actually run into these people that when I was a teenager, I just over and over and over in my headphones listened to their music and and their influence, you know?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had a venue in Omaha, Nebraska called the Ranch Bowl, and I call it the Forest Gump of music venues because you know how in the movie Forest Gump, he interacts with everybody unintentionally.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what the Ranch Bowl kind of was.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like going and bowling after a show with Less Than Jake or with Goldfinger or like going and seeing Bob Mold or somebody along those lines, like, and then interacting with them after the show.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was not uncommon for that to happen, but with this podcasting endeavor that I've been doing the past five years, it's a very similar thing that you're experiencing as well.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm starting to develop personal relationships and meet people that I looked up to when I was younger, and it's it's kind of it's crazy.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a pinch yourself moment.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: It it is strange, yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: But you gotta remember it's a small world, and it's kind of like people don't think about this a lot, but you know, the world is just energies, you know what I mean?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's full of energies, and if you throw your energy out all the time and you, you know, you're you know, you're just trying to do things, you know, like creatives, especially, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna run into other creatives and the energies will just kinda hit, you know what I mean, and blend.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: And some of them the the energies won't like each other and some of them they will, you know what I mean?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're out there just constantly creating, you're gonna run into other creators, and that's why I probably ran into all these people that you know I used to listen to when I was young.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's probably why we ran into each other.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I uh right.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: So Corin, I saw Corin's uh story, and I'm all, oh well, I I need to do this, you know.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I I have, you know, I get off and on publicists and stuff like that for the movie stuff, but what I probably need is a publicist on retainer every month to do, you know, things like this, podcasts, and you know, constantly talking about the projects that I'm involved in, and that's just part of the business that you know people don't think about much.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I I need to do this, so I was like, Oh, I'll do a podcast if you'll have me, you know.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you know what, dude?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I I gotta tell you, like, for me, it is all about the human experience.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of the ethos that runs through the cotton on the mic ecosystem is I can have musicians, filmmakers, and actors and what have you on the show, but truly it's about the person that's behind the microphone.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like how you got from point A to point B and the authenticity behind that, and that's what audiences invest in more than anything else.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, with all of that said, my closing question usually is a curveball, but I love everybody's answer, and that is what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today based on your worldly experience?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I think if you just treat everything, people, animals, you know, everything in your life the way that you'd want to be treated, um I think it's as simple as that.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: You you can make the world a better place just by um treating people the way you wanted to be want to be treated.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the simplest way to put it.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Tell my audience where they can find you online and your projects, my friend.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, so you can find me.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um I have a small production company called White Ninja Productions.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can find that on Instagram.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you can find our movies on Instagram, the last the movies that we discussed today, Pancake Man, the movie on Instagram, if you're anonymous, the movie on Instagram, Half Dead Fred, uh, the movie on Instagram.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: You can find those on Facebook too.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: We have groups, so if you want to see the updates of where we're showing next, um May 10th.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I'm sorry, we're in England.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: May 17th here in uh San Pedro's the next time we're gonna be showing Pancake Man at the theater.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, just online social media stuff.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's where you can find me.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love it, man.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm glad we're connected, and I gotta tell you, man, anytime you want to come back and just shoot the shit and hang out, I'd be glad to have you.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: I've had a lot of fun chatting with you today.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you so much.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Next time we'll just do a whole punk rock uh talk.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll break down like shows that you know.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, what we need to do, since since I threw that curveball at you, we need to figure out what your favorite five punk albums are, my favorite five punk albums are, and then we'll talk about them.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I could break down like shows too, like, oh, I lost my virginity at this show, and this show, I got my tooth chip from a fight at this show, and this show I didn't even make because I was drunk.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I have a list, and they're all like from ninety-four to ninety-seven, you know what I mean?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh yeah, yep, that sounds about right.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Three-year span of just doing dumb shit for fuck's sake.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll do that.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Bron, thank you so much for doing the show.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, sir.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, I'd like to thank my new friend Ron Theron for doing the podcast today.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: Search the streaming services, search YouTube, search wherever you can for Ron's movies, Primal Rap, at Dead Fred, Pancake Man, which is doing the festival circuit as we speak, and Fear Anonymous, which is currently in production.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Give Ron a follow at White Ninja Productions on Instagram.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: All of these movies are linked there and have their own Instagram pages.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: While you are being generous with the follows, make sure you follow Cop on the Mic on all social media platforms.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Subscribe to my YouTube channel so you can watch video versions of these podcasts.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can also visit me at www.cotonthemic.com and send me an email at caught on the mic at gmail.com.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you really enjoyed this episode.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know I enjoyed recording it.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mic with Michael Clark.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Michael Clark.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.