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Breaking: Tigers Bring Back Jack Flaherty · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Bowel Territory Network, a Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Segley with me as always a man who can relate
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  Speaker 1: right now more to the go gos and he ever
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  Speaker 1: anticipated he would.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavide doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Karen, Hey, we are here reacting live. Jack Flaherty is
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  Speaker 3: back with the Tigers. This is a two year deal
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  Speaker 3: contains an opt out after the first. There's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of speculation. I was never fully sold that it was
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  Speaker 3: going to happen, that the Tigers even wanted to add
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  Speaker 3: another starter, But I think this is a thing that
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  Speaker 3: kind of fell into their laps. Obviously, they really like
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  Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty. He was great for them last year, and
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  Speaker 3: the market just was not what Jack wanted. The Athletic
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  Speaker 3: predicted him to get four years and ninety two million.
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  Speaker 3: I certainly thought he could get anywhere from eighty two
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  Speaker 3: hundred million in free agency. It just didn't materialize for him.
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  Speaker 3: There were probably some concerns the v LO dipped last
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  Speaker 3: year postseason. We know there have been some concerns over
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  Speaker 3: the medicals that led to the Yankees trade falling through
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  Speaker 3: at the deadline. Last year, Jack Flaherty's market kind of
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  Speaker 3: crashed and that led to a prime opportunity for the
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  Speaker 3: Detroit Tigers to swoop back in get him on a
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  Speaker 3: favorable short term deal. And honestly, it's a pretty big
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  Speaker 3: boost of this rotation. This is something I'd said I
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  Speaker 3: would do if I were trying to win the Al Central. Well,
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  Speaker 3: now you're looking at a top of the rotation that
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  Speaker 3: is again going to feature Terrek Scougle and Jack Flaherty,
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  Speaker 3: the potential for Jackson Joeb if not at the start
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  Speaker 3: of the season most of the season Alex Cobb, You're
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  Speaker 3: suddenly looking at a what feels to me like a
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  Speaker 3: stronger and deeper rotation for kind of like like, I
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  Speaker 3: just don't see a downside here. I think it's pretty
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  Speaker 3: good work. And you consider the Tigers got Tygrin Lorenzo
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  Speaker 3: and Trey Sweeney last year. Scott Harris played his hand
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  Speaker 3: pretty well with the whole Jack flarerty situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and in the court of law they
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  Speaker 1: have the expression like crime of opportunity or whatever. This
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  Speaker 1: was a signing of opportunity. It seemed like I this
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  Speaker 1: is a validating moment for the Harris regime, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't I really don't want to like overstate it because
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  Speaker 1: like we are talking about like a relatively you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a two year deal and you know, money's whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's not signing one sono, right, so we all we
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  Speaker 1: all understand the scale here. However, this is exactly the
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing that Scott Harris has kind of told you,
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  Speaker 1: over told you, told us, you know, whatever, over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over again of why he doesn't have grand
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  Speaker 1: plans and why he certainly doesn't want to like speak
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  Speaker 1: them out right. So like, you know, kind of chalk
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  Speaker 1: one up for the uh, for the ethos of the regime,
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  Speaker 1: if you would, And just to kind of recap here,
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  Speaker 1: because we're going real fast, it's a two year deal
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  Speaker 1: at first when it came out, twenty five million first year,
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  Speaker 1: ten million second year with a player option after the
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  Speaker 1: first year. You look at that and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a one year deal then and then
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  Speaker 1: and then there's you know, a couple more details that
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  Speaker 1: come out. And again we're recording this very shortly after
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  Speaker 1: its announce so if there's something we miss that would
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  Speaker 1: be that would be why he has if he makes
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  Speaker 1: fifteen starts this season twenty twenty five, that's a ten
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  Speaker 1: million dollars boost on the second year of the contract.
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  Speaker 1: So it could be two for forty five, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: no math major, but if it ends up being two
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  Speaker 1: for forty five, that's pretty close to half of four
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  Speaker 1: for ninety two, right. So, so like it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: in a way, you could say, kind of in line
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  Speaker 1: with the athletics projection there, because if you look at
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  Speaker 1: his track record, you would feel good, like if you're
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  Speaker 1: Flaherty or his representatives, you think a fifteen star threshold
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  Speaker 1: is pretty achievable.
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  Speaker 2: He had twenty eight last year.
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  Speaker 1: He you know, he's obviously had some injuries, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not like he's hit every year. But you feel like
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  Speaker 1: if you would feel confident, if you're Flairty or his camp,
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  Speaker 1: that he can get to fifteen and therefore get the
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  Speaker 1: ten million dollar boosts. And so when it's twenty on
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  Speaker 1: the second year, it's a little bit more insurance for him,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more if he wanted to he could stay.
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  Speaker 1: And on just a side note of this to Cody,
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  Speaker 1: I was just doing some reading on him and some
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  Speaker 1: of the quotes he had had you know, throughout last season,
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  Speaker 1: after the trade deadline, after the season, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just a whirlwind of a year for the guy where
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  Speaker 1: he didn't really know where his place in the game
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  Speaker 1: was at this time last year. And then he has
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  Speaker 1: a borderline all star caliber time with the Tigers. He
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  Speaker 1: is part of a World Series winning team in his
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  Speaker 1: native state. He at the parade is talking about how
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  Speaker 1: he never wants to leave the Dodgers, which, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you win the World Series at the parade, you feel
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  Speaker 1: pretty good about yourself. Seems pretty reasonable expression in the half.
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  Speaker 1: But then, like you said, the market just kind of
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  Speaker 1: never went that way. And to his credit, he kind
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  Speaker 1: of he was kind of hinting that he had realized it,
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  Speaker 1: and and you know, they're putting feelers out there that
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  Speaker 1: he would be willing to kind of come down, and
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  Speaker 1: I really don't think again ends up being two for
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  Speaker 1: forty five, which or excuse me, uh yeah, two for thirty.
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  Speaker 2: I got my numbers mixed up here.
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  Speaker 1: Regardless, it sounds like he's going to like it. He
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  Speaker 1: did not take any discount to come to Detroit, and
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  Speaker 1: that's and I think he can hang his head high
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  Speaker 1: on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he is obviously still going to be a
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  Speaker 3: good payday next season. The structure of the deal is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The fifteenth start threshold gives the Tigers a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of insurance if he is not healthy. I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: could come back, but you just wouldn't be paying him
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  Speaker 3: very much for that second year. Jack felderd He's only
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  Speaker 3: twenty nine, so you would think that if he had
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  Speaker 3: all replicates what he did last season, he will re
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  Speaker 3: enter free agency and have a better chance to get
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  Speaker 3: that long term deal that he's probably looking for. We
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  Speaker 3: talked about like understanding why Jack was frustrated with the market.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know if he was doing himself any
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  Speaker 3: favors by doing interviews and tweeting and stuff, But he's
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  Speaker 3: going to come out of this okay in terms of
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  Speaker 3: his AAV. I think another interesting component for the Tigers.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing that Mick Scott Harris looked pretty good in
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  Speaker 3: this situation. Jack Flaherty is still eligible for the qualifying offer.
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  Speaker 3: He's never received one. He was traded last year, so
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't eligible. If Flaherty were to opt out, the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers could give him the qualifying offer, which would be
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  Speaker 3: around that twenty million mark. If he rejects it, they
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  Speaker 3: could receive a draft pick. So again, worst case scenario,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting another year of Flaherty potentially and a draft pick.
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers are obviously making this move hoping to contend.
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  Speaker 3: It would be interesting, like if they're out of it
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  Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, what could happen, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: an opt out, we could do the whole e Rod
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  Speaker 3: thing all over again. But I think the Tigers are
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  Speaker 3: making this deal with the assumption that they're going to
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  Speaker 3: be in it this year and not sellers at the deadline.
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  Speaker 3: That's certainly the hope. Trek Scrugle is happy about this,
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  Speaker 3: which which doesn't hurt. He's already tweeted his thoughts, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And the Tigers clearly know what they're doing with Flerty.
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  Speaker 3: They had a lot of success. They helped him really
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  Speaker 3: recapture the stuff he had shown earlier in his career.
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  Speaker 3: He was really good after he went to LA even
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  Speaker 3: though the stuff declined a little bit by the end
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  Speaker 3: of the end of the season. So I'll be curious
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  Speaker 3: to see, you know, can he maintain his velocity and
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  Speaker 3: the shape of the slider, and are the Tigers the
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  Speaker 3: place that understands him and his mechanics the best will
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  Speaker 3: certainly be something to watch for this year. But there'll
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  Speaker 3: be a reunion. The Tigers open at the Dodgers. Jack
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  Speaker 3: Flaherty will get to see his old team. He'll be
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  Speaker 3: again pitching in the Tigers uniform. Should be fun to see. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he'll probably get a ring. Yeah, like maybe then. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. It's it's interesting, but this works out really
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  Speaker 3: well for Detrup.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just a couple of numbers recap here with Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: just with Detroit. Last year he was two point four
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  Speaker 1: war he had a two point nine to five era
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  Speaker 1: eighteen starts. As as I mentioned earlier, the age twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine thing is is a big part of this as well.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, like I.
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  Speaker 1: I was, I wanted to have some fun here as
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  Speaker 1: we're late on a Sunday night and you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: taking time out of your vacation. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's a prisoner of the moment thing I could I
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  Speaker 1: could come up with?
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  Speaker 2: And one I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Is last year's you know one for what was it
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  Speaker 1: fifteen last year?
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  Speaker 2: Is what they paid him?
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  Speaker 1: I think fourteen million? Was that the greatest return on
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  Speaker 1: investment contract or one year contract? In team history, maybe
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  Speaker 1: MLB history, because you get, like I said, you get
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  Speaker 1: all star production, you make a trade that results in
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  Speaker 1: getting a key cog and a postseason run. We were
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  Speaker 1: what five outs away from the Alcs, and you get
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  Speaker 1: a top one hundred prospect and then you bring the
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  Speaker 1: guy back on you know, not even you know, groundbreaking money.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could not imagine a one year deal
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  Speaker 1: working out better for a team than what the honestly,
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  Speaker 1: both team and player, you know, both sides working out better.
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  Speaker 1: Might be the greatest return on investment in Tiger's history.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it is people are saying it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it, but you know, I just thought,
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that right through my head.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tough to run through the entire course of history,
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  Speaker 3: but there's clearly like a pretty good return on investment.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone can dispute that. And again, like
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  Speaker 3: the draft pick thing wounds, the Tigers don't have to
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  Speaker 3: give up a pick to get him. He talks like
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  Speaker 3: in October like they really liked Nick Pavetta, but he
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  Speaker 3: ended up getting the qualifying offer. They get a starter
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  Speaker 3: who's better than Nick Pavetta, and they don't have to
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  Speaker 3: give up a draft pick. There's really no one else
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  Speaker 3: I think one this year's free agent market other than
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  Speaker 3: I guess Rookie Susaki, who would kind of equate to
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  Speaker 3: that at And yeah, you're keeping Tray Sweety, You're keeping
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  Speaker 3: Tyran Loronzo for as much drama as there was at
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  Speaker 3: last year's trade deadline. It's funny to look at it now.
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  Speaker 3: I think you use the word validation like it is
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  Speaker 3: a validation for Scott Harris, and we talked about how
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  Speaker 3: much he in this front office love like a market
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  Speaker 3: and analyzing value what they perceive as a good value.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly this is it. And I think, you know, everyone
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  Speaker 3: wants to know what does this mean for the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: pursuit of Alex Bregman. We don't have that answer tonight.
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  Speaker 3: I wish we did. Right, Does it impact it? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. You know, are they going to be willing
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  Speaker 3: to spend They just signed Tommy Kinley, who we haven't
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  Speaker 3: really talked about yet. We're about to address that here
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  Speaker 3: in a second. It's fair to wonder like is this
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  Speaker 3: going to cap their spending? And realistically I don't see
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  Speaker 3: any reason why it should it. Maybe it makes them
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  Speaker 3: more attractive destination. If they're loading up, it does seem
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  Speaker 3: like they could be serious, serious ale central free agents
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  Speaker 3: in a world where they could get Bregman and Flaherty.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna have to wait and see on that one.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, and one last thing on like.
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  Speaker 3: Can I try me and say, I mean, this is
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  Speaker 3: nothing tangible. Tiger's people seem to be feeling more optimistic
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  Speaker 3: about the Bregnant situation. Like, I don't know, this has
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  Speaker 3: been a whole weird saga, but people I've talked to
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  Speaker 3: seem to be in just good moods the past few days.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when Bregnant is going to sign, but
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  Speaker 3: that feeling that once Houston jumped in it was going
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  Speaker 3: to be over. Clearly he hasn't re signed with the Astros.
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  Speaker 3: Dana Brown said this past week, you can't even actually
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  Speaker 3: talk to Scott Boris yet. It doesn't seem like that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a cutt and dry deal. We still't know
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  Speaker 3: what the Tigers have offered, but whatever it is, they
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  Speaker 3: seem to feel good about their offer. It'll be great
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  Speaker 3: whenever we can get a resolution on the Bregnant sidet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, their standing I think is that it's like probably
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  Speaker 1: as optimistic as they.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just guessing obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my sense for things right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know another thing like less use of
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  Speaker 1: the vieword validation here. I think this also, like you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the back and and all that stuff. I think
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  Speaker 1: the best thing for Flaherty's pr in terms of like
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  Speaker 1: how bad of an ailment is it really is that
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  Speaker 1: the team that traded him away decided to bring him
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  Speaker 1: back on you know, they had to open up the
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  Speaker 1: check book a little bit to bring him back. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: break the bank, but it wasn't some veterans minimum type deal,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So so if there was
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  Speaker 1: like if I was a vindictive friend in like jack circle,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I guess the back's not too
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  Speaker 1: e f and bad that the Tigers wanted to bring
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  Speaker 1: him back, you know what I mean. So just just
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  Speaker 1: a little side note there, So like it's been a
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  Speaker 1: forward for a second, and talk about the starting rotation,
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  Speaker 1: which is was kind of was already crowded, not kind of,
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  Speaker 1: it was already getting crowded with the names of possibilities.
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  Speaker 1: Now you throw in somebody who goes slots in there
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  Speaker 1: right at the number two at least metaphorically, if not literally.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just I just wrote this down real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Who your who?
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  Speaker 1: Your five man rotation is Cody, and we can kind
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  Speaker 1: of hash it out from there tech Google the surprize,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty, Cobb, Olsen, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: That's five.
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  Speaker 1: Now, other names on the list of candidates or at
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  Speaker 1: least profiles would be my Ada Mice. Can't forget about
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  Speaker 1: a boy Matt Manning. He's always he's always looking around
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  Speaker 1: there somewhere. And then obviously there's some others we can
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  Speaker 1: list starry pictures Till the Cows Come Home, but that
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  Speaker 1: those are kind of like the the the beefy candidates there.
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  Speaker 2: And not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: One of my one of my other thoughts was, hmm,
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  Speaker 1: there's a potential fallout of this, a little incentive to
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  Speaker 1: keep job in Toledo, a little bit like just a thought,
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  Speaker 1: not fully fleshed out, but just a thought. Is that
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  Speaker 1: the easier thing to do?
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  Speaker 2: Just the thought? I don't know, but may that'll be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think Kintami Aida becomes a huge X
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  Speaker 3: factor in all this. Obviously he was bad last year,
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  Speaker 3: but I was kind of the belief that tigers were
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  Speaker 3: going to give him run to try to make this
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  Speaker 3: rotation or just throw him out there for the first
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  Speaker 3: six weeks of the season and hope things are better.
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  Speaker 3: They've talked about revamping his offseason plan. They're paying him
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  Speaker 3: ten million, but adding Flirty to the mix, like you
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  Speaker 3: almost have to make a decision, and if you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to win the al Central, like are we going to
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  Speaker 3: start with Jackson Joe? Are we going to give kinto
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  Speaker 3: my Ata some courtesy starts and see how he does?
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  Speaker 3: And what does this mean the people who probably are
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  Speaker 3: not feeling great right now tonight is case he mightes
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  Speaker 3: in Matt Manning because already what was an uphill battle
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  Speaker 3: to make the roster and sing for Kater Montero Brent
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  Speaker 3: Herder just got a lot steeper. Now you can never
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  Speaker 3: have enough pitching. As I think I said last week,
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  Speaker 3: there is a world where there's opportunities for all these guys,
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  Speaker 3: and that's how yours had seemed pretty intent when given
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  Speaker 3: job run to make this opening day rotation. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that question now kind of looms now if there's some
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  Speaker 3: world where they just don't think he's ready, where they
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  Speaker 3: are committed to Kintamata or maybe Casey Maies just looks
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  Speaker 3: amazing in spring training, Like you can now justify starting
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  Speaker 3: job in a if you wanted to, I would argue,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't it be kind of sick if you didn't and
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  Speaker 3: you just ran out Scoople Flarity Olsen job, Like no
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  Speaker 3: one wants to see that coming. I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: would be tough on imposing hitters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And also it's not specific to Flarity, but a
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  Speaker 1: guy that like mentally you think is like a bounce
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  Speaker 1: back candidate that could like just make this rotation in
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  Speaker 1: better like you get like results in back, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like like that, sometimes I think.
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  Speaker 1: People forget how how good he was, you know, pre injury,
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  Speaker 1: and so like all of a sudden this becomes like
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  Speaker 1: a very very stealth and deep starring rotation and then
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen coming together as well, Like I said Tommycanley,
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  Speaker 1: formerly of the Yankees one year, seven point seventy five
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  Speaker 1: million dollars, couldn't get to the eight but sell for
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  Speaker 1: seven point seventy five. This guy is a change up wizard, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: He's a change up wizard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, was it like.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty sixty one? Sixty one? Sixty one percent of the time.
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  Speaker 3: He throws the change up sixty one in a row,
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  Speaker 3: one consecutive change ups last year in the postseason, and
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  Speaker 3: he throws the change up overall. I don't have the
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  Speaker 3: number in front of me, but more than seventy percent
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  Speaker 3: of the time, that's a lot of change ups. It's
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  Speaker 3: literally not changing anything up, which makes them a fascinating
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  Speaker 3: picture to me. But it's a it's it's it's really good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of the better sheer like singular
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  Speaker 3: pitches in baseball. I didn't really speculate it on Kingley
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  Speaker 3: much all off season because he doesn't have a closer experience.
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  Speaker 3: He has eight career saves. We kind of thought maybe
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: the Tigers were looking for a ninth inning guy, and
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  Speaker 3: there's not necessarily a reason Kinley couldn't be that. But
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  Speaker 3: I think he fits in perfectly with like the mix
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  Speaker 3: and match style you now have will vest Bo Briski,
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  Speaker 3: Jason Foley, Tyler Holton, Kainlee. These guys you can run
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  Speaker 3: them out in whatever you want, in whatever order you want,
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  Speaker 3: depending on matchups. One thing I love about Kainlee almost
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: even career splits, gets out righty's and gets out lefties.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Tigers, we know they're obsessed with their matchups.
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  Speaker 3: They love that because Will vest is very similar. Jason
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Foley last year was very similar. Tyler Holton is very similar.
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  Speaker 3: You can't really match up against these guys. It's going
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: to be harder for opposing managers to make their a J.
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  Speaker 3: Hinch late Gay moves. When Tommy Kingley's on the mound
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  Speaker 3: and neither sided hitter really has an advantage against him,
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  Speaker 3: he has a changeup that has its own of depth,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: and it remains to be seen. Look, maybe the Tigers
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: are big spinders now. Maybe they could go get Alex
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  Speaker 3: Bregman and kim Lee Jansen or something. You know, when
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  Speaker 3: Dad get the people excited. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna happen. Almost seems like far fetched when you add
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  Speaker 3: in the flared when you add flarity in the mix.
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  Speaker 3: But when you strengthen your rotation with a move like flarity,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you don't need another reliever as much. Kainley is
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: really good. You look at his numbers the past three years.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: He's just been a phenomenal pitcher. And the Tigers get him,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you know, want a pretty good value one year seven
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  Speaker 3: point seventy five for a guy who's had a sub
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  Speaker 3: three r er A I believe three years in a row.
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  Speaker 3: Like hard not to like that, a little weird being
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: so effusively like positive about everything, But I really like
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: both of these two moves.
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  Speaker 1: So here, here's one of the things that goes top
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  Speaker 1: of mind with these two moves is that if you're
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: following the Tigers, if you're a Tigers fan for the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: past we'll say fifteen or ten we'll say ten years,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: ten years, you're seeing you see transactions made by the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: quote unquote good teams, and you think, well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Could have done that, could have done that.
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  Speaker 1: And hell, I've said it on this podcast over the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: offseason with some of the you know, like the Bellinger
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: moves and some other kind of moves. I was like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that seemed like something that could be done. This is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: two pretty close together moves. Cody that if I was like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Royals and the Tigers are obviously like
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right there, but some they're not like looking up at
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the Tigers. But if I'm a team that I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like I want to be twenty twenty five's Tigers, I'm like, well,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that hurts my chances in my mind, because these are
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  Speaker 1: two moves that are very feasible. Most teams, almost every
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: team could have done these moves, and somehow it worked
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: out in the tigers favor. So again that speaks to
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  Speaker 1: me about like the appro of Scott Harris and and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the confidence that they have to be able to identify traits.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And then there's they're pitch jobs as well. So there's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a pun right there. They're pitch jobs as well to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: get these guys to come in and we're not We're
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not gonna we still we still have time to kind
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of answer this question. But now my mind will go
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: We'll start wandering too, what is the like, what is
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the desired makeup of this team as a whole? So
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you bring in you just bring up like the main
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: moves I would say of the offseason. So that's Cop,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that's Torres, you know, Flaherty and Kinley. And how does
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that contribute to what this team is going to try
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to do to win games to win the AL Central.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about it right now, but
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm going to because it like
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the the positive of being flexible and not having a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, plan that you have to put in ceement
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: is that like everything kind of goes toward the same thing.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like bringing flarerty in had like forces you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to kind of pivot a little bit of what you anticipated,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: like your team makeup to be and the Torres thing
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: moving col to first base like that, that's all part
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of it, you see what I'm saying. Like they've had
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to be flexible, So I'm kind of curious what they
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: see as the way forward. And maybe Bregman is the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: last piece and everything makes sense, but right, you see
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, a couple of big questions still to be answered,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: or at least one very big question still to be answered.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll hear from Scott Harris, we'll hear from
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty here in the next couple of days. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: don't know, you know, Like I said, I don't know
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: when we're going to get the answers to these questions
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and when the whole puzzle is going to come together.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: But I think you feel a lot better about the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: makeup of the twenty twenty five Tigers than you did
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: just a few hours ago with the addition to Jack Flaherty.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that It's just remarkable that never happens.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We talked about it the trade deadline. It never happens
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that the guys comes back and signs with the team like.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It has happened.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But there's not like a lot of standout examples, right, so,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: uh so, kudos kudo, I mean credit where credits due.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Kudos to Scott, you know, kudos to AJ and the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: pitching regimen. I'm sure there was some sort of uh
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: sales pitch involved there too. They had to sign off
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: on it because you know, AJ's looking at the same
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: names that I'm looking at in terms of who his
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: options are. And and shout out to Jack because you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: one of the staples of baseball these past couple of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: years is guys holding out for the longer or and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes bigger sometimes both contracts right and not always getting
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it or getting it in a situation that you just
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: know you're not gonna be like fulfilled. And again I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: don't judge anybody for you know, trying to uh to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: make as much money as possible, but it feels like
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Jack found himself a situation where he's gonna make some money,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: he still has a career to borrow a team term
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: optionality because they'll be at max thirty one right when
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: when this contracts up and he puts and he puts
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: himself in what what is a comfortable and competitive position,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, to be playing meaningful baseball. And again he
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: kind of spoke into existence. So I give a lot
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of give him credit for that. Was saying like, hey,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you know we probably would have made a run too. Well,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: now's your chance, Jack?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Now? Now is now is your chance? Let's see?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Was that to be flesh out all our thoughts for now?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Cody on a Sunday.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Night, I think that, yeah, yeah, we're trying to createm
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: a lot in here. We didn't have some Kim signed
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: with the Tampa Bay Rays. You talking about a good
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: looking deal. That was the guy I really liked. Again,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: not sure you know what that means for the Tigers
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: pursuit of bregnant other than probably your best backup option
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: is now off the table. I think that's all I'm
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: going to be able to cram into this episode. We've
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: got a Trek Scooble interview running on Monday, so hope
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you guys will check that out and we will be
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: back later in the week with a lot more thoughts
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: on the happenings of the Tigers.
• 24:15
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• 24:21
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• 24:38
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• 24:41
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