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One Voice: The Alliance For Democracy And Freedom - With Dr Teck Khong · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview. And for
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Speaker 1: those that you that don't know me, my name is
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Speaker 1: Debbie Evans and I'm a retired State registered nurse, used
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Speaker 1: to be a ward sister, and I was a government
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Speaker 1: advisor at the Department of Health, so a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a political knowledge there.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I am so fortunate.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm going to say that this interview is
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Speaker 1: really going to be Debbie's wardround because I feel like
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Speaker 1: Matron and I have been so honored for the last
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Speaker 1: few occasions because I've been joined by the most amazing doctors.
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Speaker 1: I've been joined by Doctor Sabine Hazan, Dr Robin Everett,
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Speaker 1: Dr Robin Kelly, Dr Robert Everett, Dr Robin Kelly, and
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Speaker 1: today is going to be no different because I do
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Speaker 1: actually feel actually, while I'm on that, where are you nurses,
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Speaker 1: Because I'm getting to speak to a lot of doctors.
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Speaker 1: So if you're out there, nurses, especially my colleagues, do
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Speaker 1: get in touch. Because it was always the matron that
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Speaker 1: ran the hospital and the consultants, well, the consultants listened
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Speaker 1: to Matron right and today, I think no more than
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Speaker 1: any other time, many of us are feeling politically homeless,
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Speaker 1: and many of us are feeling homeless when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the fact of doctors and nurses and who can
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Speaker 1: you trust? And do you wish? Are you sitting there
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Speaker 1: wishing that the person in charge of our health system
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Speaker 1: was an honest, professional, learned, experienced medical doctor, because at
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Speaker 1: the moment we've got West Streeting who, as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm aware, doesn't have any medical professional qualifications. And do
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Speaker 1: you wish and I think you probably do that you
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Speaker 1: could meet a kind, honest, passionate doctor in search of
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Speaker 1: the truth, because we've already met so many, right, But
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Speaker 1: today I am going to I'm going to give you
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Speaker 1: all of your wishes in one because I'm going to
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Speaker 1: introduce you to doctor Tech Kong. And he's going to
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Speaker 1: get quite an introduction because he is a man with
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Speaker 1: many hats and extremely experienced.
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Speaker 2: So now I'm going to.
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Speaker 1: Introduce you to doctor Tech Kong. And I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is everything you could ever wish for or wrapped up
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Speaker 1: in one person. Really, So let me tell you that
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Speaker 1: doctor Tech Kong is a doctor. He's a retired general practitioner.
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Speaker 1: He's also a master of law. He is a police surgeon.
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Speaker 1: Will come into all of this, he's been involved in
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Speaker 1: clinical commissioning groups safeguarding Cam's children, mental health safeguarding services.
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Speaker 1: So he has a wealth of medical experience. But not
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Speaker 1: just that, he's always been very interested in politics, which
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about again in a minut But he stood
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Speaker 1: for the general elections in two thousand and five twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 1: as an independent Brexit candidate in twenty nineteen and now
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Speaker 1: he heads the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom, which is
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Speaker 1: the only political party to be headed by a doctor.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just amazing, isn't it when you've
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Speaker 1: got a doctor that's interested in politicians, interested in politics,
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Speaker 1: and also has got some answers into how our health
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Speaker 1: service should be run.
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Speaker 2: So I am over the moon.
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Speaker 1: Welcome doctor tech Kong to UK column. It's lovely to
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Speaker 1: see you. Please Tech give us a little bit of
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Speaker 1: an introduction and say hello to our audience.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much Debbie for inviting me onto a
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Speaker 3: UK column. In answer to your question, I I retired
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Speaker 3: as a GP after about thirty eight to forty years
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Speaker 3: of service. And I say that roughly because I hit
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Speaker 3: a bad patch of health and I took her retirement.
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Speaker 3: But I then went into local service for a short time,
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Speaker 3: so here I am. I became a GP back in
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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two and I was a GP in Aarsmon
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Speaker 3: saul Leicester, which is one of the ten poor aswards
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Speaker 3: in the country. A midway in my career I learned
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Speaker 3: about how the poorer people lived, their fears, their anxieties,
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Speaker 3: their hopes, and he led me to understand that health
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Speaker 3: is a very important part of our lives. In fact,
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Speaker 3: without health, there is nothing. And I often wonder that
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Speaker 3: you know when a patient came in on waiting lists
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Speaker 3: for HERNI repair menu worker, and for every month that
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Speaker 3: he's been off work, not only does his personal finance suffer,
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Speaker 3: the national economy takes a hit, the company takes a hit,
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Speaker 3: the country takes a hit, his family takes a hit.
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Speaker 3: So towards the end of the nineties, when the Conservative
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Speaker 3: Party lost its government, lost its power to the Labor Party,
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Speaker 3: I was rather hopeful that things would become better for
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Speaker 3: the working people. And I say, it's not worth particular
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Speaker 3: bias for the working people to the prejudice of the
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Speaker 3: well off and they better healed people. But it's just
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Speaker 3: that if you look at life and lives, opportunities we
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Speaker 3: always have to look at the lowest common denominator because
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Speaker 3: the poorer ones who build a country contribute to the
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Speaker 3: wealth of our nation and we really have to look
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Speaker 3: after them. As I was mentioned earlier in my production,
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Speaker 3: or maybe I haven't a lot of what I'm going
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Speaker 3: to say today. At the back of it something which
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Speaker 3: I very much respect and pay reference to, and it's
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Speaker 3: called the Gaussian curve. So if you look at the
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Speaker 3: heights of people, it goes like a bell shape. So
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Speaker 3: at one extreme we have very tall people, and the
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Speaker 3: other extreme we have very short people, and then the
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Speaker 3: majority of average high reside under the bell of the curve.
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Speaker 3: So when I looked at how people were receiving health,
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Speaker 3: the poorer people were at the lower end of bell curve.
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Speaker 3: And not only were they less able to access health,
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Speaker 3: they needed a lot of advocacy and support from those
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Speaker 3: who are delivering the health. And I felt very privileged
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Speaker 3: because here I was expecting the new government to deliver
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Speaker 3: to the work. We're facing all sorts of difficulties in
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Speaker 3: terms of accessing timely care and quality care. So fast
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Speaker 3: forward into two thousand at a time when Alan Milburn
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Speaker 3: was starting to introduce the Concorde where they require health
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Speaker 3: service was met by outsourcing to the private sector. I
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Speaker 3: thought that would have improved the situation, and there was
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Speaker 3: a boom boom in the PFIs. New hospitals of build,
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Speaker 3: fractured health and social care centers came to be. But
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Speaker 3: the trouble is in concert with investment, there wasn't the
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Speaker 3: matching floor of talent into the new spaces, so we
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Speaker 3: had a difficulty situation where the illusion is one of
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Speaker 3: expansion and but the efficiency started dropping. So there work
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Speaker 3: with me in early twenty in the early two thousands
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Speaker 3: as if they could convert and the NHS refer to
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Speaker 3: a private referral, and I used to I remember I
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Speaker 3: used to say to some of these people would say
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Speaker 3: things like, you know, it's quite an expensive undertaking to
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Speaker 3: go privately, but they will briefly come around to saying that, look,
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Speaker 3: don't worry about that. We'll go around to our brothers
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Speaker 3: and sisters. We'll try and buy this hip operation for
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Speaker 3: our mom or grandmother or whatever it is. So that
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Speaker 3: got me thinking, and I think it was the year
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Speaker 3: two thousand and two because of my outspoken defense of
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Speaker 3: how health should be delivered. I was co opted into
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Speaker 3: the BME a working party on medical chambers. So I
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Speaker 3: wrote a paper on how integrated cash should look, how
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Speaker 3: seamless cashould look. Net paper was taken by a consultant
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Speaker 3: colleague and presented at Adam Smith's Institute later that year.
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Speaker 3: One of my patients, who happened to be the leader
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Speaker 3: of the Conservative group at Leicestershire County Council, suggested, if
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Speaker 3: I was so passionate about patient care, I should enter politics.
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Speaker 3: And I told this lady, the late and a Pullen
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Speaker 3: and you know, I entered medicine to help people, not
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Speaker 3: to dabble in politics. And she said, well, young man,
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Speaker 3: you just go in and think about it and come
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Speaker 3: back to me if you if and when you're ready.
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Speaker 3: So I plodded on for a while and then realized
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Speaker 3: I was getting nowhere fast. I mean, I was the
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Speaker 3: president of the BMA for Leicester and Rutland, and no
9:39
Speaker 3: matter how much I shouted and kicked, nothing changed because
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Speaker 3: the legislature made those rules up, passed it down the line,
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Speaker 3: and we have top down decision making and we had
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Speaker 3: a working co face were very imputent. So one fine
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Speaker 3: day when napulin turned up again, she said well, what
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Speaker 3: have you thought about politics? I said, well, I think
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Speaker 3: you could be right. Whereupon and started introducing me to
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Speaker 3: the various senior members of the Conservative Party. I was
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Speaker 3: introduced to Oliver Hill's Oliver Hill then the Chair of
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Speaker 3: the select Mittland Health and I presented my ideas just
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Speaker 3: to keep things equal and fair. I sent a copy
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Speaker 3: of my proposals to Tony Blair, which obviously had a
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Speaker 3: very perfunctory reply.
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Speaker 2: But the.
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Speaker 3: Message that I had for the party was passed to
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Speaker 3: William Haig and eventually reached Andrew Lansley, who was then
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Speaker 3: I think thirteen weeks into his shadow chancellorship of in Health.
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Speaker 3: So what happened from that point on? I was encouraged
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Speaker 3: to become more and more active. I was encouraged to
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Speaker 3: join the Concity. I wasn't quite ready for politics, not
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Speaker 3: even sure whether the Conservative Party was the thing I
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Speaker 3: should be doing, but I said the pab exam. I
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Speaker 3: was then given anointed the parliamentary candidate, and I set
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Speaker 3: up the Policy Forum for Health for Andrew Lensley in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and three. I fought the first General Action
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five on a very committed health ticket.
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Speaker 3: Really so my situation is this. I think we need
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Speaker 3: to understand that a lot of politicians without frontline experience
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Speaker 3: and health cannot deliver the health service that the public needs.
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Speaker 3: And I say that very humbly because you know, with
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Speaker 3: all the students I have and all the inside I
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Speaker 3: have been fortunate to receive with my long service, we
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Speaker 3: need to take care of people before we can take
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Speaker 3: care of our country. We've got to ensure that they
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Speaker 3: have good health to contribute to the nation's success, economic
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Speaker 3: viability and so on.
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Speaker 1: Well, Tech, honestly, there's so many there's so many questions
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Speaker 1: I've got because you've got expertise in a very diverse area.
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Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you about your party.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen you campaigning. I've seen the passion
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Speaker 1: when you're talking to people in the streets, and you know,
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Speaker 1: this is where we say to our audience, you know,
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Speaker 1: get out there and talk to people and have your
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Speaker 1: voice heard while you can, which is exactly what Tech
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Speaker 1: has been doing to the point that you lead your
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Speaker 1: own party and we're talking about the Alliance for Democracy
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Speaker 1: and Freedom, and you know it really is when you
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Speaker 1: look at the mission message and I'll just give our
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Speaker 1: viewers a little hint of what you stand for, which
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Speaker 1: is common sense policies, which I absolutely love because I
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Speaker 1: think we are devoid of common sense. Which is why
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Speaker 1: I've thoroughly enjoyed speaking to all of you consultants, because
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Speaker 1: we remember common sense, right, We trained in common sense,
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Speaker 1: and we were still able to critically think. Your party
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Speaker 1: also stands for freedom of speech. I think all of
13:35
Speaker 1: our viewers will agree with that and want that freedom
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Speaker 1: of association and assembly.
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Speaker 2: No more lockups.
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Speaker 1: Well you do say lockdowns, but now I say lockups,
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Speaker 1: No more lockups. We're going to defend our own border.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to be involved in any kind of
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Speaker 1: foreign military activity not related directly to our borders. So basically,
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Speaker 1: we're going to mind our own business and we're going
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Speaker 1: to not stick our noses whether or not wanted. We're
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Speaker 1: going to be self sufficient. Oh my goodness, wouldn't that
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Speaker 1: be lovely because we're so unsustainable at the moment. But
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Speaker 1: we're going to be self sufficient in energy, in food,
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Speaker 1: in manufacturing. Lovely to see that word coming back. Manufacturing,
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Speaker 1: good old fashioned manufacturing. You're going to be free to
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Speaker 1: transact in whatever form of money or currency you choose.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic and any associate of the World Economic Forum should
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Speaker 1: be banned. And those are just some of the things
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Speaker 1: that you you say, and it's music to my ears.
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Speaker 1: But tell me a bit about the ADF because it
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Speaker 1: was founded, wasn't it back in? I think it was
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Am I right?
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Speaker 2: Their tech?
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Speaker 3: Yes? Indeed, well twenty twenty August nineteen. It was registered
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Speaker 3: with Electric Commission in August twenty twenty, so it came
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Speaker 3: at about time. It was a time when we could
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Speaker 3: not assemble, if you remember, there were limitations on numbers
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Speaker 3: when and where we can assemble. Yes. The unique thing
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Speaker 3: about the party is was set up by four veteran politicians.
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Speaker 3: One was Mike Hookum formerly m P initially for UKIP
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Speaker 3: and then he was Independent Keithnsdale who was XRF. Then
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Speaker 3: there was Paul Goldring who was the UKIP regional organizer
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Speaker 3: for the Northwest and Early Warrender who was one time
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Speaker 3: interim leader of UKIP. So what it set out to
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Speaker 3: do was basically to establish a party based not on
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Speaker 3: polarized politics, just center sensible, as Earnie Warrender put it.
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Speaker 3: So we defy daional categorization into left wing of right
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Speaker 3: wing policies. We do what common sense people do. We
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Speaker 3: do what is necessary to set the nation on the
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Speaker 3: right footing, and we would not be averse to criticizing
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Speaker 3: any any association of our present co order politicians with
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Speaker 3: national organizations that do not act in the interests of
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Speaker 3: either the country or our people. So we operate a
16:30
Speaker 3: party with no whip. We believe that the whip should
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Speaker 3: be the people, not a party line, a central party line,
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Speaker 3: within the broad parameters of saying that whatever we do
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Speaker 3: and support is in the interests of people and of
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Speaker 3: our country. So I think that's a very good start.
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Speaker 3: We also run groups along the lines of regional and
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Speaker 3: professional autonomy, so we have we initially set up Proud
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Speaker 3: of Group, Proud of British Farmers, Proud of British Fisheries.
17:05
Speaker 3: Michael Comb was initially looking after that because he's a
17:07
Speaker 3: wholeman and has a fishing background, a very ardent speaker
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Speaker 3: in European Union on British fisheries. Then I was normally
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Speaker 3: heading Proud of Healthcare Workers. So we have those proud
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Speaker 3: of groups vocational groups, but we also have proud of
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Speaker 3: regional situation, so we have Proud of old and proud
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Speaker 3: of Wakefield. So what we're trying to do is to
17:35
Speaker 3: encourage people to come out, for those with a fervent
17:40
Speaker 3: desire to improve where they live and where they work,
17:44
Speaker 3: to come out and exercise the political voice. And we
17:50
Speaker 3: interdigitate political aspirations with vocational experience. So I think we
17:57
Speaker 3: have a very unique forma in terms of having a
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Speaker 3: party with no central whip, where the whip actually comes
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Speaker 3: from the people, and we draw on a broad experience
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Speaker 3: of political members. Well, then take the party forward. Now
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Speaker 3: we're a very young party, although it was set up
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Speaker 3: by veteran politicians, and I'm comunism of the fact that,
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Speaker 3: you know, tribal politics is very much in dominance at
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Speaker 3: the moment. But we hope that in time to come,
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Speaker 3: with greater publicity, we will get to a state where
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Speaker 3: we can compete with the legacy parties in a more
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Speaker 3: realistic way. So I have great hopes for the future.
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Speaker 1: I love that, I absolutely love that the fact that
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Speaker 1: the people are the whip, and I do think a
18:52
Speaker 1: lot of people are feeling politically homeless. And for anybody
18:55
Speaker 1: that's thinking where do I get hold of tech, how
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Speaker 1: do I get hold of the party, All of the
19:01
Speaker 1: links will be in the article that will be beneath
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Speaker 1: this interview. And it just reminded me when you said,
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Speaker 1: you know, with the public of the whips, it's like
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Speaker 1: in our day tech on a hospital ward and I've
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Speaker 1: said this many times before, but the regulator in a
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Speaker 1: hospital was always the patient's visitors and family. If there
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Speaker 1: was a problem, or if there was something not quite right,
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Speaker 1: they would come to us.
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Speaker 2: And that's how it works. So I love that.
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Speaker 1: But you know, here we are in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: we're in October, and we're looming up to the autumn budget.
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Speaker 1: And in all my years, and I'm a bit of
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Speaker 1: a dinosaur, in all my years, I don't remember a
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Speaker 1: time where I have ever been so concerned about the
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Speaker 1: political landscape as it is at the moment. Labor obviously,
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Speaker 1: se Keir Starmer Prime Minister, things are not getting better,
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Speaker 1: you know, their old man, if things can only get better,
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Speaker 1: they're not getting better. They're getting a lot worse. And
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Speaker 1: we're looming up to the autumn budget on October the thirtieth, Tech,
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts with regards going forward with this
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Speaker 1: Labor government that we've got our UNI party perhaps as
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Speaker 1: we've got at the moment.
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Speaker 3: I think the budget is a very vexationous problem. Vexations
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Speaker 3: matter because if very sorry, from the lay perspective, we
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Speaker 3: are asked to pay more and more taxes and we
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Speaker 3: see less and less of it, in effect, coming back
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Speaker 3: to ourselves. For example, when I was with some of
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Speaker 3: my former patients, they said, Doc, you know, I wish
20:44
Speaker 3: we were back here again. We now have so many problems.
20:46
Speaker 3: We can't get to see the GP and if we do,
20:49
Speaker 3: we end up seeing a nurse practitioner or whatever it is,
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Speaker 3: and we can't discuss things properly. Now. If we didn't
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Speaker 3: spend all the money on fighting the war in Ukraine,
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Speaker 3: if we didn't spend million pounds a day on housing
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Speaker 3: illegal demprance, if we didn't, you know, spend all that
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Speaker 3: money on the Green Agenda, we would have a far
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Speaker 3: better health service. But you know, we just waste taxes.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's a temerity of politicians to say,
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Speaker 3: you've got to cover more money for us to pay
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Speaker 3: off for all these things. And these things have no
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Speaker 3: benefit to our people now in terms of getting a
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Speaker 3: good health service. I'm sorry, coming back to it, you know,
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Speaker 3: I can't understand why we take the best of school leavers,
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Speaker 3: train them and develop the clinical acumen, and then at
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Speaker 3: the other end they come out and they have to
21:46
Speaker 3: respond to guidelines and protocols to emasculate intellectual ability. What's
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Speaker 3: worse is, for example, when I was a GP. When
21:54
Speaker 3: I first became a GP, the majority of my income,
21:59
Speaker 3: my pay came from capitation. So the better I was
22:02
Speaker 3: as a doctor, the better reputation, the better my income
22:06
Speaker 3: would be because I have a bigger less size. Towards
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Speaker 3: the end it was a mere ten to fifteen percent
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Speaker 3: of my income. The vast majority was made up of targets,
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Speaker 3: so I would get fifty pence for converting a patient
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Speaker 3: who is stabilized on an expensive set in, for example,
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Speaker 3: fifty pence to convert to a cheaper set in. I
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Speaker 3: always offered things like a two and a half thousand
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Speaker 3: pounds to identify people's ethnicity and given one hundred pounds
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Speaker 3: for putting people on end of life care party. I'm
22:40
Speaker 3: sure you know all these because you're in on a
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Speaker 3: government panel advising nurse in care and RMBER. So towards
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Speaker 3: the end, I was noticing more and more use of
22:51
Speaker 3: perverse incentives which damage professional ethos and this is one
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Speaker 3: of the things party wants to see changed and we
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Speaker 3: lobby strongly and if we do get into parliament, if
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Speaker 3: any one of us get into parliament, that is one
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Speaker 3: of the things we want to change, to change the
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Speaker 3: way doctors are paid, doctors are trained, doctors are retained
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Speaker 3: and so on. Now in terms of the budget, going
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Speaker 3: back to the budget, there isn't anything we can do, unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: because we are on the outside of the legislature and
23:27
Speaker 3: they can say and do anything with impunity. So if
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Speaker 3: your listeners are angry about the situation, they must take
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Speaker 3: a stand. Stop being politically hopeless, come and join us,
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Speaker 3: be a voice, be the people to run and bring
23:46
Speaker 3: on the future that they desire. To quote Gandhi, be
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Speaker 3: the future that you wish to see in the world. So,
23:53
Speaker 3: going back to the budget thing, there are so many
23:55
Speaker 3: things that the present government has let us down very badly.
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Speaker 3: Not many weeks ago they were talking about depriving the
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Speaker 3: elderly of the winter fuel allowance. Then they're talking about
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Speaker 3: looking at how to claw more money out of pensions
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Speaker 3: and inheritance and all that sort of thing. We really
24:20
Speaker 3: need a government, We really need a political party on
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Speaker 3: the side of the people. The rewards all Lord wal endeavors,
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Speaker 3: all hard work. So that you know, the less you
24:31
Speaker 3: text people, the more able they are to take charge
24:34
Speaker 3: of their lives and run their lives with freedom and autonomy.
24:40
Speaker 3: We don't have that situation at the moment. The more
24:43
Speaker 3: you look at it with all these expensive hair brein ideas,
24:48
Speaker 3: the more impoverish the people become, the more enslaved they are.
24:53
Speaker 3: And in the back of all this we have you know,
24:57
Speaker 3: Secre was interviewed on television he preferred douvos the Westminster.
25:03
Speaker 3: What does it tell you about a politician who is
25:05
Speaker 3: more interested in supernational non governmental organizations and running the
25:11
Speaker 3: government to serve the people of Britain. So I despair,
25:16
Speaker 3: but I despair with the repassion to serve the British
25:21
Speaker 3: people and invite them, those who are still living in
25:27
Speaker 3: despair and the doul drums to come out and join us.
25:30
Speaker 3: We need one voice for the country right.
25:34
Speaker 1: Again, well, one voice and I think, actually take it's
25:39
Speaker 1: very interesting listening to you talking about the incentivization of
25:42
Speaker 1: doctors because you know, when I think back, when you
25:46
Speaker 1: think back to the pandemic, and I say that in
25:49
Speaker 1: inverted commas, how much GPS were being paid to jab
25:55
Speaker 1: people in care homes, inject people, I mean pushing, pushingvaccinations
26:00
Speaker 1: and other drugs onto people, because obviously they're being incentivized
26:04
Speaker 1: and they're being given a narrative from up above. And
26:09
Speaker 1: so perhaps we could talk about if we think doctors
26:13
Speaker 1: are getting greedy. But it's kind of a double edged
26:16
Speaker 1: question because you're right when you're saying that people aren't
26:21
Speaker 1: getting GP appointments. They're not many or many people are
26:25
Speaker 1: telling me that they're going to their GP. Their GP
26:28
Speaker 1: surgery is empty. It's just empty waiting rooms. And I
26:31
Speaker 1: can actually say I've experienced that too, But every time
26:35
Speaker 1: I've had to make an appointment with my GP for
26:38
Speaker 1: one thing or another, it's always been a nurse practitioner,
26:41
Speaker 1: and yet the surgery is completely empty. So when you
26:46
Speaker 1: say that we need to be looking at the pay
26:51
Speaker 1: of doctors, conditions, what we're teaching them, I totally get that,
26:56
Speaker 1: But I would ask you, do you think doctors have
27:01
Speaker 1: got a future same as nurses, because with all of
27:04
Speaker 1: this automation AI medical devices, now nurses don't seem to
27:09
Speaker 1: touch patients. We're using iPads devices telemetry and all sorts
27:14
Speaker 1: of weird and wonderful tests and robots, robots as well,
27:20
Speaker 1: robots surgery. Is there going to be a need for
27:25
Speaker 1: doctors or in the era that we can see coming
27:28
Speaker 1: up with transhumans? Are we more likely to be needing
27:31
Speaker 1: engineers in the future and doctors won't be needed. Is
27:35
Speaker 1: it that doctors have become the turkeys at Christmas? I
27:38
Speaker 1: think is what I'm trying to say.
27:40
Speaker 3: Thank you, Debbie. I think your fears about Christmas voting
27:45
Speaker 3: Turkey's voting for Christmas is absolutely right. I can never
27:52
Speaker 3: see a situation where human compassion then a human judgment
27:59
Speaker 3: can be supplied by AI. I think we should be
28:03
Speaker 3: very careful about where we position AI. AI should be
28:08
Speaker 3: our servant, not our master.
28:12
Speaker 2: Taking.
28:12
Speaker 3: I've got a few things taking the issue about vaccination
28:17
Speaker 3: that was one of the awful things I had to
28:20
Speaker 3: deal with in my professional life SI approach the end
28:24
Speaker 3: of my working life. In fact, now, I was very
28:28
Speaker 3: active in research. In my younger days, I was research
28:34
Speaker 3: registrant dromatology. And you know, when we do research, we
28:39
Speaker 3: call it clinical trials. We have something called informed consent,
28:45
Speaker 3: and informed consent at that stage is normally at about
28:48
Speaker 3: phase two, if not phase three. Phase three is when
28:51
Speaker 3: licenses approved to treat people but still monitoring, and that's
28:55
Speaker 3: the situation with ECAL with maxine. It was in phase
28:58
Speaker 3: three clinical trials. Regardless of whether you believe that there
29:04
Speaker 3: is a virus or vaccines are rail or whatever it is,
29:07
Speaker 3: the mechanics of running the COVID vaccine program was totally
29:13
Speaker 3: flawed and unethical because a it have the long term
29:18
Speaker 3: safety data, there was no clear offer of alternative measures
29:26
Speaker 3: to treat and those are my colleagues in the early
29:29
Speaker 3: days who dare to speak out. It was censured. So
29:33
Speaker 3: there was a total loss of freedom of communication and discussion,
29:38
Speaker 3: freedom speech within the medical profession, and that is a
29:41
Speaker 3: very dangerous thing. So there was lack of informed consent.
29:45
Speaker 3: There was censorship on doctors who were trying to offer
29:49
Speaker 3: assistance to the patients. So patient advocacy was left way
29:53
Speaker 3: outside in the cold. Now, when we do clinical trials
29:57
Speaker 3: in phase three were do in small batches, in small numbers.
30:01
Speaker 3: And what we do is we tell people what's about.
30:04
Speaker 3: We monitor for safety, so we do what we call
30:07
Speaker 3: pharmacal vigilance, So we checked the vital signs, we monitor
30:11
Speaker 3: the liver functions, renal function ECG, whatever it takes. Monitor
30:17
Speaker 3: in a regular basis. None of the patients I had
30:21
Speaker 3: who had the vaccine were monitored in that way. My
30:26
Speaker 3: old wife had nothing of an informed consent. You'll be
30:30
Speaker 3: all right, you might get a bit of itch and
30:32
Speaker 3: soreness around the injection site, and off she went. And
30:35
Speaker 3: she had three weeks of help. And towards the end
30:40
Speaker 3: of any study, halfway through a trial, we would keep
30:44
Speaker 3: asking people, you know, if there's anything on to it,
30:46
Speaker 3: let us know, and if it's a bad thing, we'll
30:49
Speaker 3: do all the investigations, stop, stop the medication, and put
30:52
Speaker 3: it back on whatever it is. There was nothing of
30:56
Speaker 3: the sort, because when patients came back and I had
30:58
Speaker 3: an ear to a people were saying to my colleagues
31:03
Speaker 3: they weren't given the support, they weren't given the due
31:07
Speaker 3: care and investigation of what could go wrong. I remember
31:10
Speaker 3: very clearly when I had a patient with venus trompsis
31:16
Speaker 3: of the auxiliary vein, and when I heard that Lisa
31:19
Speaker 3: Shaw had certification of death related to the vaccino cerebral tromoss,
31:27
Speaker 3: I wrote an email. I was just out of the board,
31:30
Speaker 3: the CCG Board of my county and I wrote to
31:33
Speaker 3: the chairman. I said, look, I wrote an open letter
31:36
Speaker 3: to all the colleagues GP colleagues up and down the county.
31:40
Speaker 3: If you come across anything unusual in terms of trombosis,
31:44
Speaker 3: let me know with anonymized data. Within a few minutes
31:49
Speaker 3: I had an email back from the chairman saying, you'll
31:52
Speaker 3: do nothing of the sort we have MTARI. So there
31:55
Speaker 3: was a complete shutdown. There was a complete shutdown of discussion.
31:59
Speaker 3: There was a censorship of people who there mention things
32:03
Speaker 3: like hydroxychloroquin or i've amctin. It is not the way
32:07
Speaker 3: science progresses, is not the way we treat people. You
32:11
Speaker 3: should allow doctors adver to see the patient, care of
32:14
Speaker 3: the patients, not care of the pharmaceutical interest, care of
32:19
Speaker 3: government edits. It is wrong. So I felt towards the
32:25
Speaker 3: end of my career there was far too much political
32:27
Speaker 3: interference in the sanctity of professional care. And that's something
32:35
Speaker 3: I think is it's something that needs addressing, something that
32:40
Speaker 3: no political party at the movement looks at I had.
32:45
Speaker 3: I remember very clearly Richard tieing with Dr Bull that
32:51
Speaker 3: people in healthcare should have vaccine and there should be
32:54
Speaker 3: some mandates and so on, and to my horror, you know,
32:58
Speaker 3: I used to give regular tops in the pub where
33:02
Speaker 3: eventually stood as a candidate one evening a week before
33:08
Speaker 3: the deadline that Saji Javid was going to impose a
33:11
Speaker 3: no no Jab, no job rule, and where normally we'll
33:17
Speaker 3: be speaking to twenty at most thirty people, the pub
33:21
Speaker 3: had one hundred and twenty people of physiotherapist and doctors, nurses.
33:26
Speaker 3: They're all clamoring for exemption that the GP is not signed.
33:31
Speaker 3: So I'm afraid a lot of my colleagues have been bought.
33:35
Speaker 3: A lot of my colleagues have been captured by government dogma,
33:42
Speaker 3: which I think is very, very sad. It would take
33:46
Speaker 3: a long for the medical profession of this country to
33:50
Speaker 3: regain the respect that it needs and deserves to treat
33:54
Speaker 3: people properly.
33:56
Speaker 1: You've given me a lot to think about, and I'm
33:58
Speaker 1: sure you've given our audience a lot think about too.
34:00
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to take it back in
34:03
Speaker 1: a way before I come on to the patient, because
34:05
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the patient. I just want
34:07
Speaker 1: to refer back to when you were talking about informed consent,
34:10
Speaker 1: because I did similar to you. I wrote to the
34:14
Speaker 1: Royal College of General Practitioners and about informed consent. And
34:20
Speaker 1: what I asked was what the ingredients and everything to
34:27
Speaker 1: do with the vaccine, what they were, and what the
34:30
Speaker 1: serious adverse reactions or what doctors had been told to
34:34
Speaker 1: expect with regards to serious adverse reactions. And I received
34:38
Speaker 1: a letter back from doctor Michael mul Hollands. We've put
34:41
Speaker 1: it on the UK column a number of times, and
34:45
Speaker 1: he replied and said, doctors can't tell you the ingredients
34:50
Speaker 1: of the vaccine because they're not told, and they're also
34:54
Speaker 1: not aware because it's novel, experimental, they're not aware the
35:00
Speaker 1: serious adverse reactions. So therefore my argument would be that
35:04
Speaker 1: actually informed consent never existed and doesn't exist because if
35:10
Speaker 1: nobody is aware of the ingredients, I mean a chef
35:13
Speaker 1: for example, if they serve you up a dinner in
35:16
Speaker 1: a restaurant, they have to know everything about the food
35:20
Speaker 1: that they're serving to you with regards to your allergies
35:23
Speaker 1: and your dietary needs. And you know, we've got law
35:27
Speaker 1: to hold chefs and cooks and people that are preparing
35:33
Speaker 1: food to account, and yet we seem to have a
35:36
Speaker 1: situation where we've got gps that are being incentivized to
35:40
Speaker 1: give these novel experimental injections when they've got no clue
35:46
Speaker 1: what they're giving at all. So I think i'd probably say, well,
35:51
Speaker 1: you know what, informed consent never existed, and I'm very
35:56
Speaker 1: upset the doctors or that's most seem to have lost
36:01
Speaker 1: the ability either to critically think or to have a
36:04
Speaker 1: moral compass. That's in what I believe, would be in
36:09
Speaker 1: a very much more comfortable position if they alerted patients
36:12
Speaker 1: that the solution that they were getting they actually didn't
36:15
Speaker 1: know what it was or what it was going to
36:17
Speaker 1: do to them. I think that would be far more honest,
36:19
Speaker 1: and then allow the patient to make the decision themselves
36:22
Speaker 1: based on those findings. And you mentioned the MHRA, and
36:29
Speaker 1: I have been looking, as you probably know, very closely
36:32
Speaker 1: at the MHRA. I've attended every single MHRA board meeting.
36:36
Speaker 1: And when you said there that you know, we're not
36:39
Speaker 1: looking after the patients, We're looking after big farmer and
36:41
Speaker 1: we're looking after industry. We absolutely are, because the MHRA
36:46
Speaker 1: is nothing but a massive, in my opinion, revolving door.
36:50
Speaker 1: Because everybody on the board, or pretty much everybody on
36:54
Speaker 1: the board has got conflicts of interest with eitherharmaceutical companies
37:01
Speaker 1: or innovative companies that are active and that you would think, well, no,
37:05
Speaker 1: actually that's a revolving door. And eighty six percent of
37:09
Speaker 1: the MHRA is funded by industry, so clearly they don't
37:15
Speaker 1: have the patient's best interests or the patient's safety in mind.
37:20
Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to talk to you
37:21
Speaker 1: about next, really, because at the end of the day, tech,
37:25
Speaker 1: you're a doctor and I'm a nurse, and I've been
37:29
Speaker 1: on a government board, so I've done.
37:30
Speaker 2: A little bit. I've sniffed around.
37:33
Speaker 1: It wasn't very pleasant the dusty corridors of Westminster, and
37:37
Speaker 1: you've been involved in a political environment for many years now.
37:43
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the patients. Let's go back to
37:46
Speaker 1: who we are and what we trained at. Because I'm
37:48
Speaker 1: very worried. I don't know what you're thinking, but I'm
37:51
Speaker 1: very worried that it appears to be that patients are
37:54
Speaker 1: being made into paranoid hypochondriacs, the worried well perhaps as
37:59
Speaker 1: we would call them. They don't seem to be able
38:01
Speaker 1: to think on their feet anymore, and I'm worried that
38:07
Speaker 1: they're losing that they've not only lost trust of medical professionals,
38:12
Speaker 1: but they've also become so frightened about sickness, wanted to
38:18
Speaker 1: get cancer, you know, all of these terrible diseases that
38:23
Speaker 1: nobody's ever heard of or are researching coming back. What
38:26
Speaker 1: is going on? How can we reassure the public to
38:31
Speaker 1: take care of their own health but in a way
38:35
Speaker 1: that's safe, because I don't see the NHS as being
38:39
Speaker 1: a very safe place at the moment. What are your
38:42
Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
38:44
Speaker 3: Thank you, Debian, I think you are writing anxiety is
38:47
Speaker 3: the any chance is not what it used to be.
38:51
Speaker 3: You'll take a lot of time and determination to change
38:57
Speaker 3: the outlook of a health system. I've mentioned before there
39:03
Speaker 3: are several things in the medical profession and healthcare in
39:08
Speaker 3: general that are not right. There are people who worship
39:13
Speaker 3: the NHS, and so they should because I believe that whilst,
39:18
Speaker 3: as I mentioned the Galatian cove, whilst the majority of
39:20
Speaker 3: people are reasonably well read and the top end of
39:24
Speaker 3: people are very very conscious of the good things to do,
39:30
Speaker 3: the best things to do to ensure health, there is
39:33
Speaker 3: the lower half of people which depend on a reliable service.
39:40
Speaker 3: So we need to ensure the top of the health
39:44
Speaker 3: delivery tree, the very privileged set of doctors. They need
39:48
Speaker 3: to understand they are in the profession to look after people.
39:54
Speaker 3: They're there to serve the people. I have no problem
39:56
Speaker 3: with doctors becoming rich through hard work reputation. So on
40:03
Speaker 3: the four points that I have for correcting the professional status,
40:07
Speaker 3: we should have dedication. We should have a profession that's
40:11
Speaker 3: dedicated to the care of the people. After they have
40:16
Speaker 3: dedicated themselves, obviously the reputation will expand. And this is
40:20
Speaker 3: all very traditional. When you are a good doctor, people
40:23
Speaker 3: look up to you, and when your reputation expands, your
40:28
Speaker 3: practice oscar. Now when the government set very tight rules
40:33
Speaker 3: and micromanage and say, look, we give you so much
40:35
Speaker 3: for doing this, and so much we're doing that. When
40:38
Speaker 3: the vast majority of income streams come from managed incentives,
40:44
Speaker 3: you have stifled competition. So it doesn't matter whether you
40:48
Speaker 3: sign up with doctor A or doctor B. They all
40:51
Speaker 3: have to earn the living and they all have to
40:53
Speaker 3: follow the standard protocol. That defies document. Then that defeats
41:02
Speaker 3: autonomous advocacy of the patient. I keep coming back to
41:05
Speaker 3: this advocacy and patient. I'm in the prophet to look
41:09
Speaker 3: after the people, and it is my bread and butter
41:13
Speaker 3: would like to be left alone to look after the
41:16
Speaker 3: people for the best of my ability is So competition
41:19
Speaker 3: is very important. Now. I have friends in Malaysia, friends
41:24
Speaker 3: in Australia, friends in Canada, and they have a very
41:29
Speaker 3: healthes of co existence between people choosing going to the
41:35
Speaker 3: state system and the private system. And I mean Australia
41:39
Speaker 3: operates a very very successful cross and Ferol system. But
41:46
Speaker 3: as long as we have the fourth component, sound regulation,
41:52
Speaker 3: then we can be assured that whatever people choose, their
41:56
Speaker 3: interest is looked after. So I would say d r CR,
42:02
Speaker 3: we have dedication to build a reputation and to ensure
42:06
Speaker 3: that the standards are kept. They should be competition and
42:10
Speaker 3: then finally there should be sensible regulation. Regulation that is essential,
42:16
Speaker 3: not the regulation that censuous people from doing best for
42:21
Speaker 3: the patient. So I have colleagues, I mean there's David Cartland,
42:27
Speaker 3: there is Sam White. People who stood up and say
42:30
Speaker 3: this is not the right way to manage COVID. They
42:33
Speaker 3: get struck off. It is beyond belief. It's bread taking
42:38
Speaker 3: the censorship that's happening. Regulation should be about not just
42:42
Speaker 3: protect the patients, but also ensuring that there is professional excellence.
42:47
Speaker 3: But most of all, the protection should never be for
42:51
Speaker 3: outside interest. I mean, look at this COVID vagazine situation.
42:57
Speaker 3: The companies that make the manufacturers that make the vaccines
43:01
Speaker 3: are given indemnity by the government. So if there's anything wrong,
43:08
Speaker 3: and there's a very high level of proof required, it's
43:11
Speaker 3: the taxpayers that pay for the taxpayers damage. When the
43:17
Speaker 3: manufacturers should be held accountable for anything that's gone wrong
43:22
Speaker 3: with their products, not the government, not the people. Not
43:24
Speaker 3: the government using the people money to pay the people.
43:27
Speaker 3: It should be the manufacturers. But we have such a
43:30
Speaker 3: topsy situation at the moment, it really defines common sense
43:35
Speaker 3: and belief. Well, I'm very proud that my colleagues in
43:40
Speaker 3: Alliance with Democracy Freedom understand this imperative and they're fully
43:47
Speaker 3: supportive of my commitment to ensure that we're going forward
43:55
Speaker 3: we have a health system that looks after the people.
44:00
Speaker 3: Politics is serving the people, not serving the government. You know,
44:03
Speaker 3: the government forgets we the tax payers, pay their salaries,
44:07
Speaker 3: paid the money. We should have them service. And this
44:11
Speaker 3: is why I keep reminding those people are political hormeleers.
44:16
Speaker 3: We have a party here that believes the whip comes
44:20
Speaker 3: from the people, not the party.
44:23
Speaker 1: Preetics that's very, very important. But I also want to
44:28
Speaker 1: just head you off in a slightly different direction although similar,
44:32
Speaker 1: but as a GP tech obviously you have got an
44:36
Speaker 1: interest in primary care and secondary care because you're the bridge, right,
44:40
Speaker 1: so you're the shop window for us to access if
44:45
Speaker 1: we need any form of hospital treatment. And it always
44:50
Speaker 1: surprises me when people go on about old patients are blocking,
44:54
Speaker 1: you know, bed blocking and we can't get them out
44:56
Speaker 1: of hospital because nobody wants to be in hospital. It
45:00
Speaker 1: makes out that people are wanting to be in hospital
45:03
Speaker 1: and that they're happy to stay in hospital for weeks
45:05
Speaker 1: and weeks.
45:06
Speaker 2: They're not.
45:06
Speaker 1: They don't want to be in hospital. That's the last
45:08
Speaker 1: place they want to be. But we've also got you know,
45:12
Speaker 1: this Lord Darzi report that came out and said that
45:15
Speaker 1: the NHS was falling apart basically, which we knew anyway.
45:18
Speaker 1: We didn't really need Lord Darzi to do to say
45:21
Speaker 1: that to us because we knew that. But that was
45:24
Speaker 1: an NHS report on the state of the NHS. No
45:27
Speaker 1: mention in it really of social care. And of course
45:31
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, you know, beds are being blocked
45:34
Speaker 1: and people are stuck in hospital a lot of the time,
45:38
Speaker 1: it's because we're not we haven't got anywhere for these
45:41
Speaker 1: people to go to because we don't have a package
45:44
Speaker 1: of social care. So I think sometimes we separate the
45:48
Speaker 1: NHS and social care, whereas we should actually put them
45:52
Speaker 1: together and remember that you can't have one without the other.
45:57
Speaker 1: And in social care I can see that, you know,
46:00
Speaker 1: we're getting patients almost being blamed for being in hospital
46:05
Speaker 1: and then how are we going to get them out
46:07
Speaker 1: of hospital? Well, if we can't get them out of
46:10
Speaker 1: hospital one way, perhaps they never leave hospital, or they
46:14
Speaker 1: leave hospital from what we call the ground or the
46:18
Speaker 1: lower ground floor because they've died. So what is the future.
46:23
Speaker 1: What would you change about the NHS? What would be
46:27
Speaker 1: your first thing that you would do to change the
46:30
Speaker 1: NHS in the betterment for patients?
46:33
Speaker 3: For us, I think it's very important to recognize that
46:38
Speaker 3: there is a lot of passing the buck in the NHS.
46:42
Speaker 3: So when I was locoming in casualty a source system
46:47
Speaker 3: where there was a lot of delay. You know, you
46:48
Speaker 3: get people coming to the window declaring what they have wrong,
46:52
Speaker 3: and then they get triarged by a nurse and then
46:56
Speaker 3: going to see either a physician associate or wherever it
46:59
Speaker 3: is and then it goes on to a doctor, a
47:02
Speaker 3: junior doctor, and then goes to a slave more senior doctor,
47:05
Speaker 3: and if the problem doesn't get resolved, he goes to
47:07
Speaker 3: the most senior doctor. Now, when I was on the
47:10
Speaker 3: CCD board and there were a few of us who
47:13
Speaker 3: who suggested that really the senior decision makers should be
47:17
Speaker 3: right at the front and say, look, mister Sewan, so
47:20
Speaker 3: your problem must come in straight away and we'll do
47:22
Speaker 3: this then and the other for you, miss Sew, And
47:25
Speaker 3: so your problem is not important. You should go back
47:27
Speaker 3: to your GP instead of cluttering this place up and
47:30
Speaker 3: your GP. The GP should not keep sending people away
47:33
Speaker 3: to casualty. This is the problem. You know. They follow
47:38
Speaker 3: the guide lines. They look at the financial situation. This
47:42
Speaker 3: patient is going to be a problem to me. If
47:46
Speaker 3: there's anything wrong, I'll be castigated off you go to casualty.
47:50
Speaker 3: That is not the situation. They should have a sense
47:53
Speaker 3: of responsibility and accountability. So we need senior decision makers
47:58
Speaker 3: making the decision in a timely fashion so that the
48:02
Speaker 3: patients are the right way. And similarly, when you have
48:05
Speaker 3: patients on the wards, there is so much delay. When
48:08
Speaker 3: my wife was in the hospital for example, we wait
48:10
Speaker 3: a day, the consultant came up and said, right, you
48:12
Speaker 3: can go home now while I hanged. Did it not
48:15
Speaker 3: happen a few days earlier when there was when she
48:17
Speaker 3: was lying in the bed doing nothing. So bed blocking
48:21
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the patient is it is
48:23
Speaker 3: to do with clinical decision making. So the more senior
48:27
Speaker 3: decision makers are involved, the more clear cup and more
48:32
Speaker 3: dynamic the team is, the better it is for the patients.
48:36
Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's it's a part of the
48:38
Speaker 3: state of affairs where you know people say, oh, it's
48:41
Speaker 3: my time, my shift, finishing a better clock cup. I
48:43
Speaker 3: have colleagues who say we bet on taking too many
48:46
Speaker 3: difficult cases because that would take me over the clock
48:49
Speaker 3: out time medicine. I'm sure in your profession, in your
48:53
Speaker 3: line of work. In nurses, people work hard and they
48:57
Speaker 3: don't clocking clock out as the way some people nowadays.
49:01
Speaker 3: It will take cases where you know it's avoiding trouble.
49:06
Speaker 3: Is this avoiding trouble culture and doing what is safe
49:09
Speaker 3: under the big umbrella. It doesn't help the patients at all,
49:13
Speaker 3: and it ultimately damages the profession because you're not serving
49:18
Speaker 3: the people you're serving your own interests by saying I'll
49:21
Speaker 3: get my money, I'll minimize the risk to myself and
49:25
Speaker 3: then I should be all right and I'll coose gently
49:28
Speaker 3: to retirement. And net's it. We have become so emasculated
49:33
Speaker 3: as professional. You know, the NHS used to be the
49:37
Speaker 3: paragon of excellence the world says they should have, and
49:41
Speaker 3: now they have shied away looking at how badly ron
49:44
Speaker 3: it is.
49:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is certainly, I mean, honestly tech. You're you're singing,
49:49
Speaker 1: we're singing from the same hymnsheet. And I could sit
49:52
Speaker 1: here and talk to you for hours about how things
49:56
Speaker 1: were done in my day and how we looked after
49:59
Speaker 1: patients and what the NHS was all about. And you know,
50:03
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, actually, after having spoken to all of our
50:08
Speaker 1: experts just recently, many retired consultants such as yourself, and
50:16
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, is it time for us dinosaurs to return
50:20
Speaker 1: to be able to tell the youngsters what the NHS
50:24
Speaker 1: actually used to be like, because I think they don't
50:27
Speaker 1: realize what it used to be like, and they're going
50:30
Speaker 1: along with whatever narrative because the training has been so
50:33
Speaker 1: I mean it. With Nurses Project two thousand, I think
50:37
Speaker 1: was the kiss of death for sure. And I know
50:39
Speaker 1: now that we're seeing physician associates when we don't know
50:42
Speaker 1: who we're seeing basically in the NHS anymore. And I'm thinking,
50:45
Speaker 1: is it time for the likes of you and me
50:49
Speaker 1: and Dr Robin Kelly and Dr Robert Everett to come
50:53
Speaker 1: back and tell people, the youngsters what the NHS was like,
50:58
Speaker 1: that it's a vocation that the patient does come first,
51:01
Speaker 1: that it do no harm, all of those things that
51:04
Speaker 1: we were trained to do. Is it time that we've
51:08
Speaker 1: all got to come back? And before I hand across
51:11
Speaker 1: to you to answer that, I just want to reiterate
51:14
Speaker 1: I am hearing from a lot of doctors. However, apart
51:19
Speaker 1: from the few nurses that I've managed to interview over
51:21
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I'm not hearing from many nurses.
51:25
Speaker 1: So if there are any nurses, I hope that tech
51:28
Speaker 1: has inspired you to speak up, because perhaps we need
51:32
Speaker 1: to organize a group or something where we tell the
51:37
Speaker 1: youngsters how things are really done in the NHS.
51:41
Speaker 2: What do you think?
51:42
Speaker 3: I could agree more, agree more, Debbie. We might be dinosaurs,
51:48
Speaker 3: but I think there is no substitute for years of
51:53
Speaker 3: experience and for those of us who are curious about
51:57
Speaker 3: what makes things take The insight is invaluable. You can't
52:02
Speaker 3: put a value to it. So I humbly say that
52:06
Speaker 3: the likes of you and I do have a place,
52:09
Speaker 3: do have a role to play in our health system
52:13
Speaker 3: going forward. The trouble with the young generation is unfortunately
52:24
Speaker 3: being subjected to a culture of deference to politicalness political right.
52:31
Speaker 3: We need to recent the dynamics of the profession versus
52:39
Speaker 3: the set against the government. We should have the that
52:44
Speaker 3: degree of autonomy to design what we need to do
52:47
Speaker 3: bess for our patients. As far as nurses concerned, I
52:53
Speaker 3: have counsel and nurse who was in trouble for standing
52:59
Speaker 3: up for patients. We did not want to call it vaccine.
53:02
Speaker 3: We need to get rid of censorship. A lot of people,
53:05
Speaker 3: you know, whether there doctors or nurses. Unfortunately they then
53:09
Speaker 3: rocked the boat. They don't put ahead above the parapet
53:12
Speaker 3: because they have mortgages to pay the table. And that's
53:19
Speaker 3: all the thing. We need a body of people, an
53:23
Speaker 3: organization like the Alliance with the Freedom where nuclearly and
53:26
Speaker 3: be defended. I think we need to protect freedom of speech,
53:31
Speaker 3: freedom of association, and encourage debate because that's the only
53:35
Speaker 3: way we can progress and advance ourselves as a vibrant society.
53:42
Speaker 1: Oh that lovely word debate, because at the end of
53:45
Speaker 1: the day, tech science is fluid and everything's a theory
53:50
Speaker 1: because it moves all the time. And if we're not
53:53
Speaker 1: being allowed to debate, and we're not being allowed to challenge,
53:58
Speaker 1: then we're under to rule for sure. I'm keeping my
54:02
Speaker 1: eye on the clock. And before I come to you
54:05
Speaker 1: for your final comments, before your last word, I just
54:10
Speaker 1: want to ask you, because I know it's something close
54:12
Speaker 1: to your heart.
54:14
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about.
54:15
Speaker 1: D dimers, the d dimer test, and I also want
54:19
Speaker 1: to ask you quickly to about children, because I heard
54:23
Speaker 1: you say something very interesting about informed consent with regards
54:28
Speaker 1: to children. So perhaps we'll take that first, the informed
54:31
Speaker 1: consent and children, because you were talking about the Gillick principle,
54:37
Speaker 1: which many people may have heard of, is to do
54:41
Speaker 1: with whether children can receive contraception without parental permission, and
54:50
Speaker 1: it goes back to Victoria Gillick. But clearly when it
54:53
Speaker 1: came to the vaccinations, when we were talking about a
54:56
Speaker 1: novel untested trialed mRNA often injection, what is your thoughts
55:06
Speaker 1: regard to when people say, oh, no, children can make
55:10
Speaker 1: up their own minds, they've got their own opinions, they
55:13
Speaker 1: can give permission to have these injections without any parents
55:19
Speaker 1: being involved. Because we're seeing a lot of cases at
55:22
Speaker 1: the moment where parents are, especially parents of learning disabled
55:26
Speaker 1: down syndrome children that are vulnerable, they're being still as
55:31
Speaker 1: we speak, four years down the line, they're being pushed
55:36
Speaker 1: into letting their children make their own decision or that
55:39
Speaker 1: someone else is making the decision in their best interests.
55:42
Speaker 1: What are your views on that? Because I know they
55:44
Speaker 1: are going to be a lot of parents and grandparents
55:46
Speaker 1: watching right now and the job is still being rolled
55:49
Speaker 1: out to children.
55:51
Speaker 3: Oh killick. If you remember Victorianali situation has to do
55:56
Speaker 3: with contraception. Now, there isn't a very high level of
56:01
Speaker 3: science required to understand that conception happens without contraception. So
56:08
Speaker 3: if somebody understands, if if a teenager understands that if
56:13
Speaker 3: you don't take protective measures, there is a risk sort
56:17
Speaker 3: a female young person doesn't take the protective measures, then
56:23
Speaker 3: they're going to get pregnant. So that is a very
56:25
Speaker 3: simple concept. You cannot apply the Gillick principle based on
56:30
Speaker 3: very fundamental reproductive knowledge to something that requires molecular medicine.
56:41
Speaker 3: Understanding molecular medicine and how immunology works. So I government,
56:49
Speaker 3: the government should be under side people and say, look,
56:52
Speaker 3: we had the all the data submitted by the manufacturers,
57:01
Speaker 3: all the data, and we've created the information seeing that
57:04
Speaker 3: the risks are certain, such the benefits of cut and such,
57:08
Speaker 3: then we will have informed consent. And I don't think
57:11
Speaker 3: that level of understanding which distills into informed consent can
57:18
Speaker 3: be left to the teenager to decide. Again the Gaussian curve,
57:24
Speaker 3: there might be a few very talented teenagers who understand science,
57:29
Speaker 3: are the vast majority under the Gaussian bell will probably
57:34
Speaker 3: take whatever message or information is given by the government.
57:40
Speaker 3: So I think the government has the responsibility to ensure
57:44
Speaker 3: the safety and health of our youngsters going forward. Gillick
57:49
Speaker 3: in COVID vaccine, my simple answer is no. Ded I
57:55
Speaker 3: am a very interesting I was on Radioman's feel explaining
58:00
Speaker 3: about a young twenty seven year old who had injection
58:06
Speaker 3: and twenty four hours later came to the surgery. She
58:09
Speaker 3: was fitting well. She goes to the gym three times
58:12
Speaker 3: a week, young professional, twenty seven year old young lady
58:16
Speaker 3: and she had considiary vain drom boss. Now, as a nurse,
58:19
Speaker 3: you know most phenis tromboses happened in older people, people
58:22
Speaker 3: with stasis and all sorts of and it usually happens
58:26
Speaker 3: in legs, not in the arm I did a D dimer.
58:30
Speaker 3: It was a Friday evening, so I did a D
58:33
Speaker 3: dimmer and I left the message that my colleague should
58:37
Speaker 3: be contacted whatever the results is. The results came back.
58:41
Speaker 3: My colleagues thought, hang on a second, why do you
58:43
Speaker 3: tend to this on a school and army see, But
58:46
Speaker 3: the D diimer was was elevated nearly six times a
58:50
Speaker 3: both normal accounting for age. And he thought, well, whatever
58:57
Speaker 3: it is, I better send him to send her to casualty.
58:59
Speaker 3: So she went to asualty and she was given antique coagulation.
59:02
Speaker 3: They couldn't find using out to sound where the klonos.
59:08
Speaker 3: But you know, the trombosis wasn't on the main vein.
59:12
Speaker 3: It was micro trombosis. And this is the nature of
59:15
Speaker 3: the problem. But none of the colleagues were talking about
59:18
Speaker 3: it because if you remember, there was blanket censorship on discussion,
59:24
Speaker 3: blanket censorship on anything that might reduce vaccine uptake. Thankfully
59:33
Speaker 3: and hopefully this patient recovered and we heard nothing more.
59:38
Speaker 3: Anti coagulation would stop after a few days as they
59:40
Speaker 3: armed settled down. But there are people less fortunate now.
59:45
Speaker 3: I got letters asking why was I doing more d
59:49
Speaker 3: diamond than normal and why was I checking troponins? And
59:54
Speaker 3: I remember working casualty. I was just coming onto my
59:57
Speaker 3: shift when a nurse said, oh, I was going to
1:00:00
Speaker 3: this charge, this fifteen year old who was brought by
1:00:04
Speaker 3: a month after playing football, football training with test paying
1:00:07
Speaker 3: shortness of breath and a totally healthy boy, never had
1:00:11
Speaker 3: a history of asthma, fully athletic. And I said, look,
1:00:17
Speaker 3: what was the history. He says, well, one thinks he
1:00:19
Speaker 3: had COVID and had a COVID JAB a few a
1:00:22
Speaker 3: few weeks ago. I said, well, we've got to do
1:00:23
Speaker 3: some truck punning and sit the mom out, signed with
1:00:25
Speaker 3: the child, and we'll see what happens. The result came
1:00:29
Speaker 3: back forty five minutes later, ten times of normal, ten
1:00:34
Speaker 3: times of normal. So this boy developed myr kanditis. And
1:00:40
Speaker 3: they said, do you know, I'm so lucky, lucky I
1:00:43
Speaker 3: had this testant done because the other colleagues didn't think
1:00:47
Speaker 3: about it. She was going to be this charge. It
1:00:50
Speaker 3: has a case of musculskly to paying with the proviser
1:00:52
Speaker 3: to return if things didn't get better. So I said, look,
1:00:56
Speaker 3: don't bother calling the registrar for X says, just send
1:00:59
Speaker 3: the child across with the cardact center. Marc at Night
1:01:03
Speaker 3: is fifteen year old. I wrote in the Daily Express.
1:01:07
Speaker 3: Why are they doing this? Why did Jonathan von tem
1:01:09
Speaker 3: says he's commencing clinical trials in our children? For goodness? See,
1:01:16
Speaker 3: so I would encourage, I would encourage my colleagues will
1:01:19
Speaker 3: continue who are in practice. I retire now to do
1:01:22
Speaker 3: all these tests according to the clinical instincts and serve
1:01:26
Speaker 3: the patient, not the government, not the farmers tech.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: What you've said there is I think incredibly helpful and
1:01:35
Speaker 1: I hope you as and listeners will find particularly those
1:01:39
Speaker 1: last two comments but d dimers and also about the
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Gillick principle for parents and grandparents who want some clarification
1:01:45
Speaker 1: on that, I hope you'll find that helpful. Regarding the
1:01:49
Speaker 1: D dimer test, I just want for people that I
1:01:52
Speaker 1: said d dimer, and I suddenly though, oh I should
1:01:54
Speaker 1: have explained what a D dimer is. So a ddimer
1:01:56
Speaker 1: test is a test where you can detect mike clots,
1:02:00
Speaker 1: little tiny clots that you wouldn't perhapticipatient is even unaware
1:02:04
Speaker 1: of themselves, often unaware of themselves, and everything's a bit
1:02:08
Speaker 1: of a mystery. Unless you have this test called a
1:02:11
Speaker 1: d dimer, you won't necessarily find out. But what I'm
1:02:16
Speaker 1: finding out from more and more people, including one of
1:02:20
Speaker 1: my very own neighbors who I only spoke to yesterday,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: in that they've been poorly for a very long time
1:02:26
Speaker 1: and now they're starting to realize that it was probably
1:02:30
Speaker 1: the injection that has made them very ill, and I
1:02:35
Speaker 1: suggested that they ask their doctor for a ddimer. They've
1:02:38
Speaker 1: been refused three times now. The doctor said, you don't
1:02:43
Speaker 1: need one. I'm not doing one. And I've heard that
1:02:45
Speaker 1: from a lot of patients. So there is that worry,
1:02:49
Speaker 1: that concern. So when you said to my colleagues, please
1:02:54
Speaker 1: do the tests, my message would be exactly the same.
1:02:59
Speaker 1: If a patient is coming into you, please believe them,
1:03:03
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm hearing more from so many people
1:03:06
Speaker 1: is that the doctor doesn't believe us. The doctor says
1:03:09
Speaker 1: it's in our head. The doctor won't give us the
1:03:11
Speaker 1: tests that we're asking for, and yet is asking us
1:03:15
Speaker 1: to take tests that we don't need. So everything's back
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1:03:24
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1:03:27
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Speaker 1: or I've just gone across because there's so much going
1:03:43
Speaker 1: on in my head. Is there anything else you would
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Debbie. Thank you, Debbie. I think
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