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Ep. 276 - How to Mind Your Own Business and Let People Be · The Living Waters Podcast

1:04
Oscar Navarro: And so a quiet life is discipling, it is engaging, it is participating, it is loving and caring to communicate and to disciple, and to lead and to direct, but it doesn't invite us into not our business.
1:18
Oscar Navarro: I would say, things outside of that immediate category is not our business.
1:23
Oscar Navarro: And as soon as we step into the not our business of the world, you know what it does.
1:27
Oscar Navarro: It just leads us to anxiousness and uncertainty because we're not created to bear the burdens of celebrities and politicians.
1:36
Oscar Navarro: You know what I mean.
1:37
Oscar Navarro: God did not create the world for us to be all knowing.
1:40
Oscar Navarro: The way our phones make us almost all knowing of media and information and all of that right now news cycle, it just builds up anxiety in our lives rather than unplugging and focusing a quiet life on the three things that are around me my family, my church and my neighbors.
2:00
Mark Spence: I wrote that down.
2:07
Emeal Zwayne: In the grip of my father's grace.
2:09
Ray Comfort: Oh no, no, stop everything.
2:10
Oscar Navarro: Gazing at my father's face.
2:11
Oscar Navarro: Stop everything.
2:13
Ray Comfort: That is just terrible.
2:15
Ray Comfort: In the sweetness of his embrace no.
2:18
Oscar Navarro: What is this nonsense?
2:19
Ray Comfort: Living in sync With my father's pace.
2:23
Ray Comfort: Sitting in the grip of my Nausea.
2:26
Ray Comfort: Oh, oh Ray.
2:28
Emeal Zwayne: Okay.
2:29
Ray Comfort: That is the Easy.
2:30
Ray Comfort: Wrote that song and both my Daughter, rachel, who he this goes back about 20, 25 years and we said no, that is an awful song.
2:37
Ray Comfort: Please never sing it again and you won't stop.
2:40
Emeal Zwayne: I haven't heard it for a while.
2:41
Emeal Zwayne: I know Saturday.
2:42
Emeal Zwayne: Well, yeah, it came up.
2:43
Emeal Zwayne: I think Rachel said it was going through her mind.
2:46
Ray Comfort: Yeah, she was feeling sick, poor woman.
2:48
Emeal Zwayne: Only brilliant songs go through people's minds, right?
2:51
Emeal Zwayne: I was very deeply offended Good, I thought I remember when I came up with that tune.
2:56
Emeal Zwayne: I'm like Ray's going to love this.
2:57
Emeal Zwayne: No, I didn't you should.
3:00
Ray Comfort: No, God's endued me with just a little discernment.
3:02
Ray Comfort: That's where it's at.
3:04
Mark Spence: I don't remember which child of mine said it, but they said boy Easy actually has a really good voice.
3:09
Emeal Zwayne: Your best child.
3:10
Emeal Zwayne: I didn't know that.
3:10
Emeal Zwayne: Your wisest child.
3:12
Ray Comfort: That's the Jeff one, isn't it?
3:12
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I don't know which one it was.
3:15
Ray Comfort: Easy actually is very talented musically.
3:17
Ray Comfort: But that one is terrible.
3:19
Oscar Navarro: You almost said abomination, yes.
3:22
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, this is a song I wrote for Rachel.
3:25
Ray Comfort: That's nice.
3:35
Emeal Zwayne: It's a top 10 today.
3:35
Emeal Zwayne: We're playing all right, here goes because there's so much we've been through, but there's nothing I would not do.
3:40
Emeal Zwayne: If only I can have just just one more moment with you one more in your mind.
3:49
Oscar Navarro: Do you think like that's a banger?
3:52
Mark Spence: That's like.
3:53
Mark Spence: Billboard Top 100.
3:55
Ray Comfort: Easy.
3:55
Ray Comfort: You were singing that with your eyes closed.
3:58
Ray Comfort: I thought it would be great if the three of us just left the studio.
4:02
Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, there are some things that are just objectively good.
4:07
Ray Comfort: That wasn't one of them.
4:08
Ray Comfort: That's one of them.
4:11
Emeal Zwayne: You guys ever make up songs for your family?
4:12
Mark Spence: Yeah, I do.
4:13
Mark Spence: I did this morning for Laura.
4:15
Mark Spence: I mean, I put together a little verse for her to think through, really Like a song.
4:20
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
4:20
Mark Spence: I'm not going to do it, but yeah, it was a little quick lyrics.
4:24
Oscar Navarro: I sing to my kids and my wife all the time.
4:26
Ray Comfort: I don't know that one, but I don't think it's good.
4:29
Emeal Zwayne: Spontaneous yeah, I sing to my dogs, do you?
4:34
Ray Comfort: No, you think I'm crazy.
4:37
Emeal Zwayne: Lucy, lucy, I love you Lucy.
4:39
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know it's crazy man Singing is, yes, it is yes, I know what you're saying.
4:46
Ray Comfort: It's crazy, but it has laws involved in music.
4:48
Ray Comfort: There's music that's good and there's music that's bad.
4:53
Emeal Zwayne: No, but it's amazing how music can just fully impact your mood too.
5:00
Ray Comfort: Yes, you know.
5:01
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, like Ray, you always talk about that, especially with like Beatles songs.
5:06
Emeal Zwayne: Nostalgia just takes you back, but it's good nostalgia.
5:09
Ray Comfort: It makes me feel so good instantly.
5:11
Ray Comfort: I'm not talking about the drug-soaked songs they got into later in the stage, but the early ones.
5:16
Ray Comfort: Instant, just great memories come flooding back.
5:20
Ray Comfort: I just love it.
5:21
Emeal Zwayne: Because it's associated with things you were doing as a kid.
5:23
Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a little brat.
5:29
Oscar Navarro: I was reading a book recently that was somebody who got his doctorate.
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Oscar Navarro: It was like their dissertation, and the point that they made in it is that both mathematics and music is an objective witness to the glory of God.
5:42
Oscar Navarro: And so he pointed out that, like in advanced mathematics, people who are theorizing mathematicians, that they don't come up with the laws, but rather they discover them, as though they were, like they're ready to be discovered, like the hand of God is holding all mathematics together.
6:01
Oscar Navarro: And then he associated that with music and that music is rooted in mathematics and how, ultimately, music and math like sing to the presence and the glory of God.
6:11
Oscar Navarro: It was really fascinating.
6:11
Ray Comfort: Has anyone ever combined the two?
6:13
Ray Comfort: Go easy.
6:15
Emeal Zwayne: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve times forty divided by nine, I don't know, Music and math.
6:23
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it is, it's mathematical, it's, you know, especially like two forms of music that I don't listen to, actually, but that I really do love when I do classical.
6:38
Emeal Zwayne: And what do you call the Frank Sinatra kind of music?
6:42
Emeal Zwayne: Does it have a?
6:43
Ray Comfort: Frank Sinatra music.
6:44
Ray Comfort: Frank Sinatra yeah, I know what you're saying yes.
6:46
Ray Comfort: There's a cabaret.
6:47
Ray Comfort: Is it cabaret?
6:47
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I know what you're saying.
6:48
Ray Comfort: Yes, there's a cabaret.
6:48
Ray Comfort: Is it a cabaret?
6:50
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I don't know, but every time it comes on like I realize how so lyrically impoverished today's music is.
6:59
Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, I mean even like I did it my way, I was going to say that Right yeah, not as one who bows the knee.
7:08
Ray Comfort: it says in the middle of that.
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Emeal Zwayne: Did you realize that?
7:10
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, is that crooner, yeah, yeah, so again, not that I, you know, endorse the.
7:14
Emeal Zwayne: The lyrics in that song but but I'm saying like, yeah, just the, even the, the lyrical or the rhyme scheme in there, it's, it's quality we could change it to a drive on the highway.
7:24
Emeal Zwayne: But then you, you know they just.
7:27
Emeal Zwayne: But today it's just stupidity.
7:31
Emeal Zwayne: And even with rap.
7:32
Emeal Zwayne: I don't know you guys don't listen to rap, but I hear some.
7:35
Ray Comfort: No, we do listen to rap.
7:36
Ray Comfort: You have no choice.
7:36
Ray Comfort: Not only that, but you pull up at some stop sign.
7:40
Ray Comfort: There's a guy with a rap that makes your whole car shake.
7:43
Emeal Zwayne: That's true, I know, but now, even nowadays, it's not just that like lyrically, things have degenerated, but the way they sing, the voice, the yeah, I'll do this, that and yeah, more and yeah, man.
8:01
Ray Comfort: Hey, you're improving easy.
8:02
Ray Comfort: You like that, Mark?
8:04
Emeal Zwayne: That was better than normal, that was great.
8:06
Emeal Zwayne: But seriously, man, yeah, yeah, just the you know, the evidence that we're degenerating.
8:12
Ray Comfort: In every way.
8:13
Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, you're thinking deeply with your fingers upon your lips.
8:15
Oscar Navarro: I was thinking about Yo-Yo Ma's cello suite one in G minor.
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Oscar Navarro: It's like one of the most beautiful pieces of music you can ever listen to.
8:25
Oscar Navarro: If you haven't heard it, you can go online and listen to him.
8:27
Oscar Navarro: When I listen to it, it breaks out Is this old?
8:31
Oscar Navarro: Well, it's Bach's song, but Yo-Yo Ma redid it in the cello and it's phenomenal.
8:39
Ray Comfort: I named my dog after Bach.
8:42
Oscar Navarro: He talks about Bach all the time Bach.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't know what.
8:48
Emeal Zwayne: They call them concertos or um symphony, I don't know.
8:52
Emeal Zwayne: But these, what's wrong with my voice today?
8:55
Emeal Zwayne: You're barely noticing hey, but like these things are long, you know, and they play these long pieces and we see these little kids like four, five, six and they're getting on there.
9:08
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, what a, what injustice to do a theme to united airlines?
9:18
Ray Comfort: have you ever heard?
9:19
Emeal Zwayne: that almost sounded like it, yeah it is.
9:22
Ray Comfort: yeah, it's a beautiful, very famous song from about 60 70 years ago, but that's just so complex.
9:28
Ray Comfort: I saw a guy play it without music once.
9:31
Ray Comfort: It's like nine minutes long Play it without music.
9:33
Ray Comfort: He didn't have music in front of him, he just played it.
9:35
Ray Comfort: Oh, no music, I just couldn't believe my eyes he could remember where every finger goes, because just one wrong move and boom.
9:42
Ray Comfort: I know.
9:44
Mark Spence: You know, all my kids are into jazz music Really yeah, typically, if you get inside of their car or they drive my car, they change it to jazz.
9:53
Emeal Zwayne: I love jazz music.
9:54
Emeal Zwayne: Jazz is groovy.
9:55
Emeal Zwayne: The saxophone right, mainly in jazz.
9:57
Emeal Zwayne: I don't know.
9:58
Emeal Zwayne: I love that.
9:58
Emeal Zwayne: I always wanted to learn the sax.
10:01
Emeal Zwayne: That was my dream, good for open ear?
10:04
Mark Spence: Nope, that's not it.
10:06
Mark Spence: Ray loves the bagpipes.
10:06
Mark Spence: What was that?
10:07
Mark Spence: That was something terrible.
10:09
Ray Comfort: It was, yeah, I like having Todd Friel absolutely hates bagpipes.
10:14
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, me too.
10:15
Emeal Zwayne: It is, in my opinion, the worst instrument on the planet.
10:18
Ray Comfort: No, it just reminds me of my chickens when you grab them and squeeze really hard.
10:21
Ray Comfort: Exactly, it's just yeah.
10:23
Ray Comfort: But Amazing Grace, she does Amazing Grace with the bagpipes.
10:26
Ray Comfort: Yeah, soul stirring, yeah, we'll give them a pass on that one.
10:29
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, a cool, classy comment.
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Ray Comfort: They used them in warfare.
10:33
Ray Comfort: The bagpipes would go first.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's all they needed, yeah, the enemy ran, forget weapons, use the bagpipes.
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Emeal Zwayne: So yeah, cool, classy comments.
10:43
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, this is what I call Vindication Day.
10:48
Emeal Zwayne: Oh dear.
10:49
Ray Comfort: Oh boy.
10:50
Emeal Zwayne: Vindication Day.
10:50
Emeal Zwayne: You guys remember, a while ago I brought up the beauty and the genius of cursive writing.
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Emeal Zwayne: Someone wrote yeah, mark Spence mocked it.
11:00
Emeal Zwayne: Nobody does cursive writing.
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Emeal Zwayne: And we said I don't mock it, I think it's beautiful.
11:03
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah.
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Emeal Zwayne: But you said it's just dumb?
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Emeal Zwayne: Nobody, it's just dumb.
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Oscar Navarro: Nobody should use it.
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Oscar Navarro: It's not utilitarian.
11:07
Emeal Zwayne: And you said you bet nobody listening to us even uses cursive.
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Emeal Zwayne: So we got some comments.
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Emeal Zwayne: This is from John Wall from Ontario.
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Emeal Zwayne: He said never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Easy.
11:19
Emeal Zwayne: I also like cursive writing.
11:21
Emeal Zwayne: Lita Kluswitz Hi, I am with Easy.
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Emeal Zwayne: Cursive is where it's at.
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Emeal Zwayne: Caitlin Sebo I really enjoy writing cursive.
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Emeal Zwayne: In fact all my siblings have been taught it or are learning it.
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Emeal Zwayne: Trifina, I am with Easy on both cursive.
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Emeal Zwayne: Trifina from India, by the way.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm with Easy on both cursive writing and coffee with milk.
11:41
Emeal Zwayne: Can't imagine a coffee without milk.
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Emeal Zwayne: Colleen Q, my husband and I write in cursive and print it's beautiful for writing in cards.
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Emeal Zwayne: I learned calligraphy and italics as a kid.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm glad.
11:52
Emeal Zwayne: Alexandra Guiligogimbo, Guiligogimbo, Sorry, hey, y'all.
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Emeal Zwayne: I've been listening to your podcast for years.
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Emeal Zwayne: I've wanted to write in many times but finally the greatest motivation set in the need to defend cursive.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm with Easy and I super.
12:05
Emeal Zwayne: I sure hope you get more than five emails attesting I'm against cursing this was sex email it's not.
12:12
Ray Comfort: It's not cursing.
12:13
Ray Comfort: How's your dyslexia?
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Ray Comfort: My sins have found me out someone sent a letter to you, easy and cursive, and I tossed it so, alexandra, yeah, what I said, what someone sent a letter in cursive saying they love cursive and I didn't pass it on to you.
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Emeal Zwayne: My sins of wait, you're serious, I'm serious.
12:28
Emeal Zwayne: It was the other day.
12:28
Emeal Zwayne: We got an a letter mailed written love cursive, and I didn't pass it on to you.
12:29
Emeal Zwayne: My sins have.
12:29
Emeal Zwayne: Wait, you're serious, I'm serious.
12:29
Emeal Zwayne: It was the other day.
12:29
Ray Comfort: We got a letter mailed, written in cursive, but it was addressed to the four of us, so I sent the lady a thank you and a gift back to her, but I didn't put the letter on your desk.
12:39
Oscar Navarro: You were ashamed, right?
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Oscar Navarro: There's a cursive letter on my desk right now.
12:50
Oscar Navarro: Sue probably put it there.
12:51
Ray Comfort: Oh, that'll get passed on easy in a couple months.
12:52
Ray Comfort: I've had it for like four days.
12:52
Ray Comfort: I haven't been able to get through it.
12:54
Emeal Zwayne: He's trying to think of the word deer at the beginning.
12:56
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that is epidemic.
14:14
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, on to today's show.
14:18
Emeal Zwayne: We're going to be talking about how to mind your own business.
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Emeal Zwayne: I did that for nine years.
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Emeal Zwayne: Let people be you minded.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, I'm minding my own business.
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Emeal Zwayne: Ray, my ob, what?
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Ray Comfort: yeah I think that's.
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Ray Comfort: That's internationally famous, isn't it?
14:33
Ray Comfort: It Myop, yeah, mind your own business.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you used to say that to your kids, myop, who did you I?
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Ray Comfort: did.
14:39
Ray Comfort: Yeah, rachel's got a lot of scars, hasn't she Myop?
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, mind your own business.
14:50
Emeal Zwayne: Yesterday, rachel and I were chatting and I just said you know, honestly, I just want to mind my own business.
15:01
Emeal Zwayne: I'm reading a book and I loved the title for this chapter.
15:02
Emeal Zwayne: It was so simple, but it was this aren't you tired yet?
15:07
Emeal Zwayne: And it was just basically, you know, talking about trying to figure everything out and keep up on what's going on in people's lives, and it just resonated with me.
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Emeal Zwayne: There's something about constantly getting worked up about what's happening in other people's lives.
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Emeal Zwayne: Talking about it.
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Ray Comfort: Do you want me to take the binoculars back?
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Emeal Zwayne: No, that's important.
15:34
Oscar Navarro: You need to stop wiretapping everyone's phones.
15:36
Oscar Navarro: That's the problem, EZ.
15:38
Emeal Zwayne: But you guys remember, like those.
15:39
Emeal Zwayne: I remember one of those.
15:40
Emeal Zwayne: What do you call it Matching?
15:44
Emeal Zwayne: Memory improving?
15:44
Emeal Zwayne: I know you, Ray, that's exactly right.
15:47
Ray Comfort: Of course, I thought how can I change it?
15:49
Emeal Zwayne: Little House on the Prairie and when Mrs Olsen, they got phones finally in the town and Mrs Olsen was like the switchboard lady.
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Emeal Zwayne: She was the gossip and she was listening to people's calls.
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Emeal Zwayne: It was really funny, because then they ended up colluding to pretend they were talking about something and then like to get her worked up.
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Emeal Zwayne: Was she the one with the nice daughter?
16:12
Emeal Zwayne: The nasty daughter?
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, was.
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Oscar Navarro: Little House on the prairie a tv show or a movie tv show you serious.
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Emeal Zwayne: You didn't know.
16:19
Emeal Zwayne: No, wait, wait, have you heard of?
16:20
Oscar Navarro: bonanza.
16:21
Oscar Navarro: I've heard you guys.
16:21
Oscar Navarro: I love bonanza.
16:22
Oscar Navarro: You guys mentioned little house.
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Ray Comfort: Wait, wait, hold on it's like bonanza without the cowboys are we just gonna pretend like everyone?
16:28
Emeal Zwayne: knows what that is.
16:28
Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, you seriously never watched the house on the prairie?
16:32
Oscar Navarro: How would I watch it Reruns?
16:34
Oscar Navarro: Do they even sell black and white televisions anymore?
16:36
Ray Comfort: Reruns it was before television.
16:39
Emeal Zwayne: Even when you were a kid, though there should have been reruns going, they've been going forever.
16:43
Emeal Zwayne: Is it before or after?
16:44
Emeal Zwayne: I Love Lucy After.
16:47
Ray Comfort: It was.
16:48
Emeal Zwayne: The old 70s.
16:48
Emeal Zwayne: I think they started in the 70s Into the 80s Early 80s.
16:53
Ray Comfort: Have you heard of Michael Landon?
16:54
Ray Comfort: Yes, you have, so you're familiar with Bonanza.
16:57
Ray Comfort: He was Joe in Bonanza, the youngest one.
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Ray Comfort: He still doesn't know.
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Oscar Navarro: He was the younger one in Bonanza, no.
17:04
Mark Spence: I know Bonanza yeah he was the young one.
17:06
Oscar Navarro: Which one's Joe, the younger one Little.
17:08
Mark Spence: Joe, he was little Joe, we don't remember anything like this, but I mean to his credit.
17:14
Mark Spence: My wife has been watching a lot of Little House on the Prairie lately to get her mind, you know, just to be preoccupied in different things.
17:22
Mark Spence: And she's enjoying down that trip down, oh I love it.
17:27
Emeal Zwayne: You know, Julia and her friend just went to like a Hollywood thing.
17:31
Emeal Zwayne: Well, it was like a reunion type thing yeah, memorabil type thing.
17:34
Emeal Zwayne: And it was yeah, it was like where they filmed it and then they had some of the actors there and they recreated like the house and you know different things.
17:41
Ray Comfort: You pull your eyes out with every picture.
17:43
Ray Comfort: I mean what happens?
17:44
Ray Comfort: The dog goes blind, gets run over by a horse.
17:46
Ray Comfort: The horse goes blind, breaks its legs.
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Emeal Zwayne: Everybody's sick.
17:50
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but no.
17:52
Emeal Zwayne: But the whole point just meddling in people's business, trying to control things, trying to, I don't know like, mess with people's convictions, hurry up, yeah.
18:07
Emeal Zwayne: So, guys, I'd love to get your thoughts on that.
18:10
Emeal Zwayne: And here's really the, I think, the question that we wanna tackle today how do we, as believers, learn to discipline ourselves, to just know when to keep our mouth shut, to control our emotions and to major on the majors and minor on the minors and not get all tangled up in people's affairs?
18:33
Emeal Zwayne: So, oscar, give us your thoughts.
18:39
Oscar Navarro: You know, as I was preparing for this, my mind immediately went to not so much interpersonal interaction though that's really important and we should definitely talk about that but the state of social media and our engagement with celebrities and political affairs, because so often we get hung up on personal matters that are basically gossip columns and you have to take a step back and go.
19:10
Oscar Navarro: This is none of my business, but it's an insatiating.
19:16
Oscar Navarro: It feeds our fears and our angers, especially if it's about somebody that's in opposition to our worldview or belief system.
19:24
Oscar Navarro: Then, like we revel in the information that's given to us about their political affairs.
19:29
Oscar Navarro: I remember one time someone sending me a video of a woman who was a politician, who was like walking out of some personal I don't even remember what like a massage or something, and she was tripping and falling and I'm watching this going.
19:42
Oscar Navarro: This is none of my business.
19:44
Oscar Navarro: This is none of my business.
19:47
Oscar Navarro: And I think of first Thessalonians, which Paul writes this on the backbone of political mayhem I mean, the whole city is up in arms, right, there was just a riot and he writes this letter to the Christians and he tells them we encourage you, brothers and sisters, do this even more, to seek to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, so that you may behave properly in the presence of outsiders and not dependent on anyone.
20:22
Oscar Navarro: In other words, this idea of minding our own business, of leading quiet lives, is a witness to the gospel, rather than being caught up in the presence of this moment that we live in.
20:36
Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, I'm glad you highlighted that, because I don't think we often think of public matters right Like a news item as an example, or maybe something about a political figure or whatever.
20:51
Emeal Zwayne: We don't often think of that as being none of our business.
20:54
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, we typically go to one of the main things we're gonna talk about and that's like other people that we know or people in our lives or whatever.
21:01
Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, that is true, we're taking something that doesn't really concern us, it's not really a part of our lives, and we get all into it and worked up in it and it becomes even a form of gossip, because that's really what meddling in other people's affairs can become.
21:21
Ray Comfort: Yeah, we show interest in gossip.
21:23
Ray Comfort: That's what most of the talk shows are often about things that don't really matter.
21:27
Ray Comfort: But the things that do matter are the things of eternity.
21:30
Ray Comfort: You look on things not temporal, but things that are eternal.
21:33
Ray Comfort: Guys, you know I do dumb things sometimes.
21:36
Oscar Navarro: No, I did it today.
21:37
Oscar Navarro: No, I did, seriously, I did.
21:39
Ray Comfort: I took all my beautiful notes and overrode them with a really old file for this morning's podcast.
21:44
Oscar Navarro: What Are you just figuring this out?
21:46
Ray Comfort: right now.
21:47
Ray Comfort: I'm horrified.
21:48
Ray Comfort: No, Now, this is from old stuff.
21:50
Ray Comfort: I from old stuff.
21:50
Ray Comfort: I just over.
21:51
Ray Comfort: I back everything up on this phone and it's backed up with the wrong set of notes.
21:55
Ray Comfort: So I had all the right Bible verses and wonderful things to say and I got nothing to say.
22:00
Ray Comfort: So carry on Easy.
22:01
Ray Comfort: Is that any of our business, right?
22:03
Emeal Zwayne: Yes.
22:04
Mark Spence: In this situation maybe you know, I think I perhaps might have some insight in the midst of this with the idea of meddling with other people, right, but we have to find a balance in the midst of this.
22:15
Mark Spence: Easy has often said something along these lines and that is you know, we go to a wedding, it's an outdoor wedding and there's candles that are lit or they're going to light a candle, and Easy goes oh no.
22:29
Mark Spence: And you look over at Easy and he's just shaking his head.
22:31
Mark Spence: Why didn't they check with me?
22:33
Oscar Navarro: Why didn't?
22:33
Emeal Zwayne: they check with me.
22:35
Mark Spence: You don't like candles outside, why didn't they check with me?
22:37
Mark Spence: Or somebody who has an unusual name you know?
22:41
Mark Spence: And Eze will go oh, why didn't they check with me?
22:45
Mark Spence: Why didn't they check with me?
22:46
Mark Spence: I've heard that, but I think there's a scripture that actually coincides with this, and this is Ecclesiastes 1.18.
22:52
Mark Spence: It says for in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
22:57
Mark Spence: I think that as we get a glimpse into Solomon, who was extremely wise, he's now surrounded by people that are not, and now they're making decisions that are not the best decisions, and he knows the decision that should be made and they're not making the decision.
23:15
Mark Spence: And what are you supposed to do?
23:16
Mark Spence: Feel joyful over that?
23:17
Mark Spence: No, Right.
23:18
Mark Spence: When we see people that now put their kids inside of a situation where they're setting them up for failure, and then you wanna give them knowledge, you wanna give them wisdom and insight as to maybe a good decision to make, and then they scorn that advice.
23:31
Mark Spence: When we're thinking to ourselves no, this is just right.
23:34
Mark Spence: We see this with our own kids as well.
23:36
Mark Spence: When our kids don't heed advice to us and we're thinking, okay, you're going to learn in the storm I choose for you.
23:43
Mark Spence: I want you to learn in the sanctuary, learn from my advice, learn from my experience, but you're not going to do it.
23:48
Mark Spence: So I think that us, as we begin to meddle, that it's not necessarily birthed from something that is bad or negative.
23:55
Mark Spence: Right and kids, when they're 16 years old, they think they just know everything.
23:59
Mark Spence: Or non-Christians, they think they just know everything.
24:06
Oscar Navarro: You bring a really good point and I think it's important to lay on a foundation of what is meddling, what is not my business and what does God call me to be a steward of.
24:16
Oscar Navarro: I would say like, if you think about what Paul talks about, a quiet life.
24:20
Oscar Navarro: A quiet life focuses on three things it focuses on your family, it focuses on your church and it focuses on your neighbors.
24:28
Oscar Navarro: I love that.
24:29
Oscar Navarro: And so a quiet life is discipling, it is engaging and is participating, is loving and caring to communicate and to disciple and to lead and to direct.
24:41
Oscar Navarro: But it doesn't invite us into not our business, I would say things outside of that immediate category is not our business.
24:49
Oscar Navarro: And as soon as we step into the not our business of the world, you know what it does.
24:53
Oscar Navarro: It just leads us to anxiousness and uncertainty because we're not created to bear the burdens of celebrities and politicians.
25:02
Oscar Navarro: You know what I mean.
25:03
Oscar Navarro: God did not create the world for us to be all knowing the way our phones make us almost all knowing of media and information and all of that right now news cycle.
25:14
Oscar Navarro: It just builds up anxiety in our lives rather than unplugging and focusing a quiet life on the three things that are around me my family, my church and my neighbors.
25:25
Oscar Navarro: That's great, I wrote that down, that's great.
25:27
Emeal Zwayne: I love that, Mark.
25:28
Emeal Zwayne: I really wanna get back to what you highlighted, cause that.
25:32
Emeal Zwayne: I'm so glad you brought that up.
25:34
Emeal Zwayne: It's so, so important.
25:36
Emeal Zwayne: You know, knowing things and, like you, brought up the candle thing right.
25:42
Emeal Zwayne: The reason why I get worked up about that is because, as a pastor who's officiated at multiple weddings, I've seen this again and again.
25:51
Emeal Zwayne: And again the couple puts candles in an outside wedding where the wind is blowing and it's inevitable they're going to blow out.
25:58
Emeal Zwayne: Not just that, but even just candles in general that are being lit during a ceremony.
26:02
Emeal Zwayne: Something always goes wrong with the lighter, it's just like, and it becomes this circus, you know.
26:09
Ray Comfort: Did you see the video I sent you where the guy bumped all these candles In the church?
26:13
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I love that, and he knocks over about a dozen candles.
26:18
Emeal Zwayne: So you're right, mark, I see that.
26:20
Emeal Zwayne: Names, that's another thing, right, I mean coming from Lebanon and knowing all these Arabs that came here to the US and have these names and seeing them get tormented, you know.
26:29
Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, I want to say this You've been a great example to Rachel and me, you and my mother-in-law, sue, in that you guys really have not meddled in our family affairs, I mean very few times over the course of the last 20 years.
26:46
Emeal Zwayne: You just haven't seen us at your window.
26:47
Emeal Zwayne: That's what I thought I saw in my peripheral.
26:49
Ray Comfort: Actually, it's more like this that's what I thought I saw in my peripheral.
26:53
Ray Comfort: Actually it's more like this.
26:54
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but very few times have you really said something you know about.
27:03
Emeal Zwayne: You know like that one I can picture.
27:04
Mark Spence: Sue, sue, she's standing on her shoulders.
27:10
Ray Comfort: Yeah, you couldn't reach the window.
27:11
Ray Comfort: That's why.
27:14
Mark Spence: Ray's standing on her back.
27:17
Emeal Zwayne: But very few times have you guys said something.
27:20
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, I remember way back in the day I know you remember this when I was seriously considering taking your beautiful daughter to Lebanon.
27:28
Ray Comfort: I wasn't excited about that you weren't.
27:30
Ray Comfort: What was that movie that came out Not Without my Daughter?
27:35
Emeal Zwayne: You weren't excited.
27:36
Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, that was one of the few times you even barely said something and it was very controlled, like you didn't like it, you weren't happy with it, but at the end of the day you understood that we were a new family unit and that we had to honor the Lord.
27:50
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, is that something you did consciously through the years, like let's let them live their own lives?
27:53
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, absolutely.
27:54
Ray Comfort: I struggled with that whole thing, that going back to Lebanon thing because I said am I going to let my daughter go?
28:00
Ray Comfort: Do I own my daughter?
28:03
Ray Comfort: Does God own my daughter?
28:04
Ray Comfort: And when a husband and wife are joined together, let them leave their parents, father and mother Father and mother, father and mother.
28:13
Ray Comfort: That's all I forgot, yeah, and so, yeah, I've got to just.
28:17
Ray Comfort: Oh, I'll never forget the feeling when I gave my daughter away at the wedding.
28:22
Ray Comfort: Do you remember?
28:23
Ray Comfort: I don't know if I mentioned it, but we were standing at the back of about 400 people and everyone stood up and then suddenly every eye was on me, or Rachel, and we walked down the aisle and it was just so neat to be everyone looking at us and then it was just sit down and you stood up and took over and I became the old shoe.
28:44
Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah, you did.
28:47
Ray Comfort: But yeah, it's very important to realize that.
28:48
Ray Comfort: And the thing that helped me understand that is my father-in-law never meddled for a second, never said anything about my marriage, because he was very quiet.
28:58
Emeal Zwayne: He never said anything.
29:01
Ray Comfort: He was very quiet, so was my wife, and yes, but he didn't have any right to interfere because I had married his daughter, she had left and that's all there was to it.
29:12
Ray Comfort: So I felt the same about you and Rachel.
29:20
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and so so mark back to to that.
29:21
Emeal Zwayne: You know, yeah, that there is that point where we do have to stop, because there's something in us that it's almost like a, an itch, you know, like you know and you sense and you've seen, but there comes that time where we just have to just let them maybe make their own mistakes, yeah, you know.
29:35
Emeal Zwayne: Let them grow in wisdom without us having to say something.
29:40
Mark Spence: You know I told my oldest son, noah, when he married Jessica.
29:43
Mark Spence: I said look, I love you, buddy, I'm sending you out, you know, into the world, shooting you out, you know, as far as I possibly can.
29:50
Mark Spence: But listen, I'd love for you to come back.
29:52
Mark Spence: I'd love for you to come back.
29:53
Mark Spence: I'd love for you to come around.
29:54
Mark Spence: You're welcome at any holiday, any gathering, anything that we have.
29:57
Mark Spence: You're not expected to come.
29:59
Mark Spence: We're gonna have Christmas celebrations.
30:02
Mark Spence: You're welcome to be there.
30:03
Mark Spence: For anything like that.
30:04
Mark Spence: You're not expected to be there.
30:06
Mark Spence: But if you do come, I'm gonna make it worth your while.
30:09
Mark Spence: There's gonna be presents and stuff for the kids.
30:12
Mark Spence: There's gonna be jovial laughter and times of getting inside the word and things of that nature.
30:16
Mark Spence: You're not expected to come to anything.
30:18
Mark Spence: I just wanna let you know that you're free to do whatever you wanna do.
30:21
Mark Spence: You wanna spend all holidays at her house or just the two of you?
30:24
Mark Spence: It's great.
30:25
Mark Spence: I'll just return all the presents.
30:28
Ray Comfort: I love the way an eagle gets rid of their young when they're growing up.
30:30
Ray Comfort: Do you remember what the eagle does in the eagle's nest?
30:32
Ray Comfort: Takes all the feathers out and just leaves sticks sticking up.
30:34
Ray Comfort: So it's not comfortable, so they want to fly off and not come back.
30:37
Ray Comfort: That's what you've got to do with your kids.
30:40
Ray Comfort: I remember when all our kids left home and got married.
30:43
Ray Comfort: I went home and it was a really empty house.
30:44
Ray Comfort: I just felt that Suddenly the reality of it hit me, and easy, you're starting to fill it slowly.
30:51
Emeal Zwayne: Luke moves out next month, so that'll be two down.
30:55
Emeal Zwayne: Obviously, summer's married.
30:56
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's hard.
30:59
Oscar Navarro: Ray came home and was like it's an empty house now.
31:01
Oscar Navarro: And he had this revelation I need chickens, yes, 29 chickens Every room.
31:04
Oscar Navarro: You can't bring them inside.
31:06
Ray Comfort: You're not allowed to bring them inside.
31:07
Ray Comfort: I don't think, but I'd like to bring them inside.
31:09
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I know you would Ray.
31:10
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I know you would Ray.
31:11
Ray Comfort: I would actually create something.
31:13
Ray Comfort: So when they laid the eggs, the eggs would roll down this sort of tube into the refrigerator or something.
31:18
Ray Comfort: How about into your mouth, ray?
31:22
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that would be quicker.
31:23
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, mark, that's beautiful.
31:24
Emeal Zwayne: You know, one of the biggest problems with kids that end up getting married is holiday stuff.
31:31
Emeal Zwayne: I've been blown away over the years like how much real drama that causes, and I've come to find, by way of wisdom and in keeping with our topic today minding your own business that this applies and there's nothing more beautiful than doing what you guys did.
31:47
Emeal Zwayne: Mark, like to have an open, free hand.
31:49
Emeal Zwayne: Ray, you again, sue, have been the same way.
31:52
Emeal Zwayne: You've never made us feel like guilty.
31:53
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, you again, sue, have been the same way.
31:54
Emeal Zwayne: You've never made us feel guilty.
31:55
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, we got this.
31:56
Emeal Zwayne: I love that attitude of being able to say to your kids go for it, no matter what.
32:01
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, that's mine and Rachel's commitment with all our children's in-laws.
32:04
Emeal Zwayne: Our heart's attitude is they always get first option on everything, no questions asked.
32:09
Emeal Zwayne: No questions asked, absolutely go.
32:11
Emeal Zwayne: Can't make it this Christmas?
32:13
Emeal Zwayne: Hey, we love you, no problem.
32:14
Emeal Zwayne: Hey, why don't you come over, like the day after Christmas or the next week?
32:17
Emeal Zwayne: We'll do it then, man, that kind of attitude that fosters closeness with your kids in the future Because, as I shared before, our kids grow up and they are going to be able to make their own decision whether or not they're going to be close to us, and oftentimes that decision is influenced by what we did with them, first as they were growing up, but even as they begin to enter their own relationship, if we were overbearing, if we were controlling, if we were jealous, I can assure you they're going to activate that option to distance themselves.
32:51
Oscar Navarro: You don't want that.
32:51
Oscar Navarro: You know, my in-laws were amazing at this too.
32:55
Oscar Navarro: When we got married, we spent about a year and a half, I think, living with them to save money to buy our first home, and they were not believers.
33:05
Oscar Navarro: And the whole time we were there, they never once tried to tell us how to parent our children, how to be married, how to communicate, how to deal with finances.
33:16
Ray Comfort: Well, that's commendable, for non-believers.
33:18
Oscar Navarro: It really is, and through that my father-in-law came to a saving faith and was one of the first to be baptized at our church, and our witness to him was he came to us, he had heard the gospel, he had heard us sitting in the backyard talking through things, and then he witnessed it through our marriage and that's what brought him to a saving faith, and so the Lord blessed it.
33:40
Oscar Navarro: But the point is is to your point, they were.
33:41
Oscar Navarro: I'm so thankful how hands off they were.
33:43
Oscar Navarro: They've been the same way about Christmas and Thanksgiving and that has caused us in some ways to want to be there, like we laid out the calendar and we want to be there on Christmas Eve.
33:54
Oscar Navarro: We want to be there on Easter because it's an open invitation, much like you.
33:58
Oscar Navarro: It's like man, we're gonna be here.
33:59
Oscar Navarro: We'd love for you to be here.
34:00
Oscar Navarro: If not, we totally understand, we'll do something else later if that works best for you.
34:04
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, that's human nature.
34:07
Emeal Zwayne: You know, the more you crowd someone, you make them feel guilty, you obligate them.
34:11
Emeal Zwayne: It's like magnets, right being turned on the opposite.
34:14
Emeal Zwayne: It just pushes people away and that happens.
34:18
Emeal Zwayne: You call that person you haven't talked to in a long time and hey, how's it going?
34:22
Emeal Zwayne: And they're like oh, finally, I haven't heard from you in forever.
34:25
Emeal Zwayne: And how excited are you going to be to call them the next time, Whereas it's like, oh man, I'm so sorry, Bro, don't even worry about it.
34:35
Emeal Zwayne: I've been so busy and I know how life is.
34:38
Emeal Zwayne: But it's great to hear from you.
34:40
Emeal Zwayne: It's invitational, yeah.
34:44
Ray Comfort: I just love that what you just said there, because last Sunday was one of the most horrific Sundays I've ever had in my life because I found out because of a mistake I was supposed to be at a church and I didn't show up.
34:56
Ray Comfort: On Sunday morning when I found out I was horrified.
35:00
Ray Comfort: It was just someone overlooked something and they waited for me.
35:08
Ray Comfort: They thought I'd been killed or something, but I hadn't.
35:09
Ray Comfort: It just didn't happen.
35:09
Ray Comfort: That was this Sunday, this last Sunday, and I just hardly could.
35:11
Ray Comfort: I was almost in tears, could hardly sleep that night just the thought of it.
35:14
Ray Comfort: So I called the pastor with a repentant voice message to him just saying this is a repentant rate comfort.
35:20
Ray Comfort: Please forgive me.
35:21
Ray Comfort: Here's my number if you ever want to talk to me again.
35:23
Ray Comfort: And he called the next day and oh he was so nice.
35:26
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, ray, this is crazy.
35:27
Emeal Zwayne: In fact, I have evidence.
35:29
Emeal Zwayne: I can show you my texts right now.
35:30
Emeal Zwayne: Yesterday, mark and I both were texting about how we both almost forgot that we had to be at a church yesterday, the same day.
35:38
Oscar Navarro: Can you?
35:39
Oscar Navarro: Imagine if all three of us, this past Sunday, this past Sunday, oh, you guys together or two separate churches, two separate churches, two separate churches.
35:45
Emeal Zwayne: All three of us had three separate churches to speak at and all three of us almost forgot Well one did Almost.
35:51
Mark Spence: One did yeah.
35:52
Mark Spence: So the pastor sent me a text saying morning brother.
35:59
Mark Spence: When you come, you can park in the parking lot at this address.
36:01
Mark Spence: I'm like, oh no, I'm speaking in an hour and a half.
36:02
Emeal Zwayne: This was hours before, right, Mark.
36:04
Emeal Zwayne: It was two hours exactly two hours and me the day before I was planning okay, sunday I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that.
36:12
Emeal Zwayne: And then Rachel goes say when you speak at that church tomorrow, and that's how I remembered.
36:18
Emeal Zwayne: I'm like, ah, I mean, look, we're responsible people, we have calendars, we have all kinds of things, but once in a while, you know.
36:23
Oscar Navarro: So if you're looking for public speakers, good luck.
36:27
Ray Comfort: Anyway, like I was, saying this pastor called back and he was so nice.
36:31
Ray Comfort: He said no problem at all.
36:32
Ray Comfort: These things happen.
36:39
Emeal Zwayne: And we look forward to having you on the such and such.
36:40
Ray Comfort: You're not getting an honorary.
36:40
Ray Comfort: So gracious, yeah, and it just made me feel so good.
36:42
Ray Comfort: I just don't care if I don't show up now.
36:44
Ray Comfort: No, I said to him, I'm going to write this on my forehead with a marker pen the date.
36:50
Ray Comfort: Did you reschedule it?
36:51
Emeal Zwayne: Yes, Oscar, what did that pastor say?
36:53
Emeal Zwayne: I was just trying to remember on the 10th church that you missed in a row.
36:59
Oscar Navarro: I do have a question for you, Uzi.
37:01
Oscar Navarro: There are people in our lives where we see them going through things.
37:04
Oscar Navarro: At what point do we like?
37:08
Oscar Navarro: What do you do?
37:08
Oscar Navarro: Do you wait for them to seek counsel from you?
37:10
Oscar Navarro: I'm talking about a member of our church, for example, or a family member.
37:13
Oscar Navarro: Whatever the case, Do you wait for them to come to you to seek counsel?
37:16
Oscar Navarro: Do you approach them?
37:18
Oscar Navarro: What does that balance look like of wanting to mind your own business, having a quiet life, but also they are in that circle of family, church, community and you wanna participate.
37:29
Oscar Navarro: How do you balance?
37:30
Emeal Zwayne: that that's such a good question.
37:32
Emeal Zwayne: I think honestly, in all of this that we're talking about, it goes back to the heart.
37:37
Emeal Zwayne: When your heart attitude is one of genuine care and a desire to not meddle in people's business, it'll affect your demeanor Right, and people know like there's a difference between you having gone, gossiped about it, got all worked up about it, been judgmental about it.
37:55
Emeal Zwayne: You know, oh yeah, they haven't been to church in so long.
37:58
Emeal Zwayne: They probably doing this and that, whatever, with that face.
38:00
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Then you approach them and that's going to seep through, sure, you know.
38:05
Emeal Zwayne: So it's like hey, where you been?
38:07
Emeal Zwayne: Man, I haven't seen you in a while.
38:08
Emeal Zwayne: You know.
38:09
Emeal Zwayne: Versus hey, bro, I miss you, I haven't seen you in a while.
38:13
Emeal Zwayne: Is everything, everything, okay, you know.
38:14
Emeal Zwayne: And so I think you have to obviously be sensitive, discerning.
38:17
Emeal Zwayne: You know every situation is different.
38:19
Emeal Zwayne: You have different contexts, but I think that it is good to check up on each other you know to, to make sure that others are doing well, because how many stories have we heard where someone's like man, I was going through this, no one even cared, no one checked on me, no one hadn't been around in a while.
38:35
Emeal Zwayne: No one was like where were you.
38:36
Emeal Zwayne: You get those stories all the time.
38:43
Emeal Zwayne: So I think it is good to do that when you sense a concern and something doesn't seem right.
38:45
Emeal Zwayne: But it's how you do it, it's that spirit of sweetness.
38:46
Emeal Zwayne: It's again asking questions versus making accusations, even if you've heard something.
38:53
Emeal Zwayne: Hey, man, I heard this.
38:55
Emeal Zwayne: But I know you, I know your character, I I'm sure it's probably not accurate, but I just wanted to, you know, just check with you on it because I love you, you know, and I think those sorts of things are good.
39:05
Ray Comfort: but but you know, there is ray comfort how long did it take you, uh, to get used to putting little love hearts on texts back to people?
39:14
Emeal Zwayne: it took a while it took me a little while yeah, I felt weird as a man to do a heart, yeah, but now I'm fine.
39:19
Ray Comfort: Someone sends you something that's great and I love it.
39:21
Ray Comfort: I just send a little heart back and I don't feel bad.
39:23
Ray Comfort: But at first it was awkward yeah.
39:26
Emeal Zwayne: when a real buff, manly, masculine man did that once I'm like, oh, it's okay for me to do it.
39:30
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, thank you?
39:31
Ray Comfort: That was me.
39:31
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I'm laughing too much.
39:34
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but yeah, I love 1 Peter 4.15.
39:38
Emeal Zwayne: It says but let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer or as a busybody in other people's matters.
39:47
Emeal Zwayne: What a fitting Mark just sent me a love heart.
39:50
Emeal Zwayne: But 1 Peter 4.15,.
39:55
Emeal Zwayne: Guys, I was reading Let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer or as a busybody in other people's matters, Like look at that list that that was added to Murderer, thief, evildoer, busybody.
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Emeal Zwayne: I never thought of that, which one doesn't belong.
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Mark Spence: No, that's good.
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Emeal Zwayne: But I think it goes to show that this is serious, because you can destroy a home, you can destroy a family by being a busy body.
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Emeal Zwayne: Did you hear about easy?
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Ray Comfort: See, did you see these guys yeah?
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Emeal Zwayne: so the ears move forward.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but yeah.
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Emeal Zwayne: A busy body, Isn't that a cool term, Oscar.
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Oscar Navarro: It is.
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Oscar Navarro: And I think the reason why maybe the Lord or Peter in that letter equated it to murder, is because what happens, what is the sin in our lives that cause us to meddle?
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Oscar Navarro: The thing that causes us to meddle is that when we compare ourselves to other people, we eventually or I should say, when we talk about other people we eventually in some way, shape or form, compare ourselves to them.
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Oscar Navarro: And when we compare ourselves to other people, we become very quickly the legalist, the Pharisee, you know.
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Oscar Navarro: We immediately want to know we are better than them.
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Oscar Navarro: Well, I can't believe they do it that way, and can you believe he did this?
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Oscar Navarro: And I would never and my person wouldn't.
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Oscar Navarro: And so therein lies the reason why a busy body would be right next to the murderers.
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Oscar Navarro: Because of pride, because our pride kicks in and we have hatred in our heart for others, because we wanna feel elite, because we wanna feel prioritized, because we wanna feel more righteous than the next person.
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Oscar Navarro: And so the Lord sees the spiritual, and when he sees the spiritual, he sees the busy body and the murderer in the same place, which is in need of grace, wow.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and I mean, ray, don't you think that being a busybody meddling in people's affairs and gossip kind of go hand in hand, that it typically ends up leading there?
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Ray Comfort: The key is to grab the golden rule, which we have access to because the love of Christ dwells within us, and put it into practice.
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Ray Comfort: If you love others as you love yourself and want to do good to them, you'll not say things that are unkind or think unkind thoughts.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I think, ultimately, it's a violation of love, because when you think about the scenario, you're that's what I was saying.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you think of the scenario of something that someone is doing, and that's typically how it starts, right, we know someone and they're doing this.
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Emeal Zwayne: We don't like this, we don't agree with this, that's not our conviction or whatever, and so we begin right, and what we need to ask ourselves is are we praying for those people?
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Emeal Zwayne: Like, if it's something that we're genuinely concerned about, has it begun with prayer Praying on?
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Ray Comfort: or praying for.
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Emeal Zwayne: Praying on praying for.
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Ray Comfort: P-R-E-Y-I.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I like that Ray.
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Emeal Zwayne: He just baptized me.
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Emeal Zwayne: Baptizes Ray with water, yeah, like.
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Emeal Zwayne: I think that's a good indicator.
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Emeal Zwayne: And for those of you listening right now, ask yourself this when you have been talking with others about others, did you first go to the Lord and sincerely pour out your heart and intercession for those people?
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Emeal Zwayne: Can you give us an example?
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, remember that one time when Mark you know, but like and if you haven't, you really have no business talking about it, unless it's genuinely to find a solution with someone who may know what's going on as well.
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Emeal Zwayne: And you're guarded as you're doing, You're careful as you do it.
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Ray Comfort: If we're about our father's business, we won't worry about other people's business.
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Ray Comfort: Ooh.
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Emeal Zwayne: Ray, you're on a roll today.
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Mark Spence: What is that saying that you say easy about?
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Emeal Zwayne: talk to me all you want.
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Emeal Zwayne: If you please, I'll talk to you.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh, it's a saying, it's not original, but talk about it all you please.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'll talk about it on my knees.
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Emeal Zwayne: I love that.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and again, convictions, I think is an area where it's really difficult, because when we feel something about something and someone's not doing that and it's not a biblical thing, now look, I'm not saying that we can't speak wisdom into each other's lives, even if it's not something that's biblically concrete.
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Emeal Zwayne: If we're beginning to see issues of breakdown or compromise or whatever.
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Emeal Zwayne: You're talking about personal convictions, yeah, yeah, like you know, whatever I mean.
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Emeal Zwayne: For example, maybe some believers have a hard time listening to secular music as an example.
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Emeal Zwayne: We've talked about that on the program before and there's another believer that's listening to secular music.
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Emeal Zwayne: But you know they're tempted to be like, hey, why don't you listen to Christian music all the time?
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Emeal Zwayne: Why don't you listen to secular music?
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Emeal Zwayne: Listen to Christian music all the time?
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Emeal Zwayne: Why do you listen to secular music?
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Emeal Zwayne: You know we need to just let people be, let them live their own lives.
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Emeal Zwayne: Now, if our brother is listening to you know Marilyn Manson if he's still around, maybe I'm dating myself.
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Emeal Zwayne: Or listening to you know, eminem, or it's something that's foul and vulgar and profane and blasphemous.
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Emeal Zwayne: Look, that's an to like speak into their life on that, you know.
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Emeal Zwayne: But where we, we go the extra mile is where, like, hey, I listen to second music.
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Emeal Zwayne: Let's say, someone feel they listen to second music and it just grieves them and it and it, you know, is not edifying for them and it pricks their conscience.
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Emeal Zwayne: The problem is, is we extrapolate and then we conclude that must be that brother's experience and it's, you know, probably the furthest thing from their experience.
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Emeal Zwayne: But that's where we overstep our bound when it's something that is in an area like that.
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Emeal Zwayne: But if I start seeing, hey, this brother hasn't come to church, you know, for seven weeks.
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Emeal Zwayne: What's he doing?
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh, he's at home listening to Lionel Richie.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know whatever.
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Emeal Zwayne: Maybe Lionel Richie's songs are tame or just love songs or whatever, but now it's not even the songs that's a problem.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's that he's now not prioritizing what's more important.
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Oscar Navarro: I'm picturing a guy now skipping church because he's putting Lionel Richie records on vinyl.
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Ray Comfort: I'm seeing a pastor now playing Lionel Richie records in church to get his people to come back.
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Emeal Zwayne: Draw them in with good old Lionel.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so Lionel on vinyl.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
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Emeal Zwayne: So I think all those things are key.
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Emeal Zwayne: And to remember, you know, romans 14, 4, who are you to judge another servant to his own master?
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Emeal Zwayne: He stands or falls.
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Emeal Zwayne: Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
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Emeal Zwayne: He's God's servant, you know.
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Emeal Zwayne: Let's give that latitude, let's give ourselves to prayer, let's be encouraging, and if we see concern, yeah let's ask each other, hey, what's going on?
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Emeal Zwayne: And have that again, that humble, gentle spirit.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know, just yesterday I talked to someone that I hadn't seen in about 25 years maybe.
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Ray Comfort: Probation officer.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, a lone shark coming after me, that was good, but I haven't seen this person in about 25 years.
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Emeal Zwayne: I saw him at a wedding and as we began to talk he just went negative immediately on something, and I remember my last conversation with him 25 years ago was on something negative.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's where we left off and that's where he picked it up 25 years later, and it was just so sad.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't want to be that person.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't want to be that person.
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Emeal Zwayne: I wanna be that kind of person that all of us can maybe think of in our minds, that every time we see them, they are a breath of fresh air.
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Emeal Zwayne: Even when they've corrected us, even when they've confronted us, we've walked away feeling blessed and thankful to the Lord because we were loved by them.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's how I wanna be.
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Emeal Zwayne: Who was that guy Jalabuxi?
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Oscar Navarro: They didn't check with you.
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Oscar Navarro: Why was he still upset with Mark?
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Emeal Zwayne: Let me close us with this final exhortation from Martin Lloyd-Jones.
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Oscar Navarro: The doctor.
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Emeal Zwayne: The main art in the matter of spiritual living is to know how to handle yourself.
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Emeal Zwayne: You have to take yourself in hand.
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Emeal Zwayne: You have to address yourself, preach to yourself, question yourself.
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Emeal Zwayne: You must say to your soul why art thou downcast?
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Emeal Zwayne: Why art thou down?
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Emeal Zwayne: What business have you to be disquieted?
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Emeal Zwayne: You must turn on yourself, upbraid yourself, condemn yourself, exhort yourself and say to yourself hope thou in God instead of muttering in this depressed, unhappy way.
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Emeal Zwayne: And then you must go on to remind yourself of God, who God is and what God is and what God has done and what God has pledged himself to do.
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Emeal Zwayne: Then, having done that, end on this great note, defy yourself and defy other people and defy the devil and the whole world, and say with this man I shall yet praise him for the health of his countenance, who is also the health of my countenance and my God.
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Oscar Navarro: For those who don't know, Dr Martin Lloyd-Jones was like one of the wisest schizophrenics.
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Emeal Zwayne: Was he?
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Emeal Zwayne: Was he?
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Emeal Zwayne: Tell us all about it.
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Ray Comfort: I think we're going to do a Martin Lloyd Jones accent while you're reading this quote.
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Ray Comfort: You should do that.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh boy, all right friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so there you have it.
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Emeal Zwayne: Focus on yourself.
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Emeal Zwayne: Don't meddle in other people's business, don't be a busybody.
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Emeal Zwayne: Worship God, pray for other people, love on other people, Share when you're concerned and, man, be a happy warrior for the glory of God.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, there you have it.
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Emeal Zwayne: Keep writing to us at podcastlivingwaterscom and be a good person.
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Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us, friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: We'll see you here next time on the living waters podcast, the one podcast you can't wait to turn off.
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