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Sharri | 24 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening and tonight We're hours away from Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: addressing the world for the first time since quitting the
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Speaker 2: presidential race. But today all eyes were on Kamala Harris
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Speaker 2: and the question many are asking, can she beat Donald Trump?
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Speaker 2: And what would she be like as Madam President. The
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Speaker 2: media and political elite who lied about Biden's mental decline
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Speaker 2: are now presenting Kamala Harris as the messiah. The deliberate
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Speaker 2: cover up of Biden's cognitive decline has now been clearly exposed.
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Speaker 2: While voters were told he was sharp as attack and
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Speaker 2: the clips were all deep fakes, Nancy Pelosi stopped his
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Speaker 2: contact with Democratic caucus, and his own team limited his
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Speaker 2: FaceTime with cabinet secretaries. Democrats were, in fact, highly concerned
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Speaker 2: about his ability to fulfill basic tasks like reading teleprompters.
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Speaker 2: Yet here's what voters were told.
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Speaker 3: President Biden, who I've been around numerous times just in
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Speaker 3: this last year, is sharp.
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Speaker 4: He's focused, He's bright.
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Speaker 5: He is sharp, intensely probing and detail oriented and focused.
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Speaker 2: This is a man who is sharp, who is on
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Speaker 2: top of his game, who knows what's going on. He's smart,
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Speaker 2: He's on his game. This same group who lied about
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden are now throwing their support behind Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: They're papering over her policy failures and history of incompetence
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Speaker 2: as vice president and embracing her with excitement. That is
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Speaker 2: fighting Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 6: She is coming out guns blazing. Well. People have been
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Speaker 6: thirsting for this kind of fell in love with him.
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Speaker 6: I thought she was smart, engaging, She's funny, feisty, twickling
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Speaker 6: your put you in the guard I mean everything you
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Speaker 6: come what. I just thought it was a great, great
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Speaker 6: opening act. The words she was speaking, they felt organic
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Speaker 6: and genuine.
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Speaker 2: But there is cause for concern already. As the presumptive nominee,
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris looks set to snub Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
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Speaker 2: Netanyahu's addressed to Congress, and this is a worrying sign
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Speaker 2: for Israel should she become president. The Wall Street Jonah
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Speaker 2: reports that the snub is unmistakable and that it's fueling
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Speaker 2: rumors of a rift between her and Biden's approach to
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. Columnist Walter Russea Meade writes that rightly
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Speaker 2: or wrongly, key Arab leaders may interpret her snub of
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Speaker 2: Netta Yahoo as evidence that Harris sympathizes with the opponents
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Speaker 2: of a Saudi treaty and that her Middle East policy
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Speaker 2: will differ significantly from Biden's. He says that, in turn,
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Speaker 2: would make it harder for Biden negotiators to get to
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Speaker 2: yes either about a Gaza ceasefire or on the final
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Speaker 2: details of the Saudi deal. It may also encourage the Iranians,
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Speaker 2: sensing weakness and division within the administration, to turn up
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Speaker 2: the heat on Biden, increasing the chance of a shooting
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Speaker 2: war in the Gulf. And Walter Russell Mead says that
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is in the big leagues now and she
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Speaker 2: needs to get this right. He says, the world will
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Speaker 2: be watching. But surely no one serious has any confidence
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Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris could hope to land a successful Middle
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Speaker 2: East foreign policy position when she couldn't even get a
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Speaker 2: handle on the Southern border, when national security officials have
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Speaker 2: already had to intervene to tone down critical remarks about
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Speaker 2: Israel that she planned to make in a major speech.
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Speaker 2: And that's according to an NBC News report. When less
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Speaker 2: than a month after October seven, she called for a
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Speaker 2: national strategy not on anti Semitism, but on Islamophobia.
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Speaker 7: I am proud to announce the Biden Harris administration will
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Speaker 7: develop our nation's first national strategy to counter Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: As I said less than a month after October seven,
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Speaker 2: and despite the fact there was an antisemitism crisis raging unchecked,
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Speaker 2: It's highly doubtful Kamala Harris has the ability, skills, or
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Speaker 2: expertise to negotiate Middle East policy, and tonight on my show,
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Speaker 2: I've asked Mike Pompeo's chief advisor when he was Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State to come on live to speak about this. Already,
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Speaker 2: Kamala has been thoroughly exposed for her failures while in
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Speaker 2: the VP job. Her role was to fix the immigration crisis,
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Speaker 2: yet under her watch, more than eight million illegals crossed
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Speaker 2: the border, and thanks to her, the b crisis has
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Speaker 2: become one of the top reasons that voters are supporting Trump.
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Speaker 2: For this and other reasons, she was considered a liability.
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Speaker 2: The media tore her to pieces, as exemplified by this
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Speaker 2: famous interview.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any plans to visit the border at
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Speaker 1: some point?
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 7: We are going to the border. We've been to the border.
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Speaker 7: So this whole, this whole, this whole thing about the border.
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Speaker 7: We've been to the border. We've been to the border.
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Speaker 4: You haven't been to the border.
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Speaker 2: And I haven't been.
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Speaker 6: To Europe.
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Speaker 2: Or even Nancy Pelosi hasn't been able to defend Kamala's
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Speaker 2: failings as VP.
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Speaker 5: Do you think she is the best running met tho
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Speaker 5: she's the vice president of the United States.
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Speaker 6: People say to me, why isn't she doing this or that?
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Speaker 6: I said, because she's the vice president. That's the job
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Speaker 6: of description. You don't do that much.
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Speaker 2: But the same left media that lied about Biden's cognitive
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Speaker 2: decline are now trying to brush past Kamala's flaws, even
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Speaker 2: though they reported on them in the past. And overnight
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Speaker 2: she's become immedia darling and they're redefining her. But does
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Speaker 2: anyone really buy it?
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Speaker 6: But she is ready to be the president.
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is unleashed.
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Speaker 7: She's just brilliant.
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Speaker 2: She's just the energy that's coming off of her is
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Speaker 2: the energy that's coming off of the American people.
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Speaker 5: Just in the last forty eight hours, she's been more
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Speaker 5: forward leaning just on the issue of abortion, frankly than
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Speaker 5: President Biden had been over the last four months, and
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Speaker 5: then you throw in she's more comfortable at going after
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Speaker 5: the convictions and Trump she became.
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Speaker 8: The presumptive nominee in forty eight hours. To put that
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Speaker 8: in perspective, it's been more than three years and we
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Speaker 8: still don't.
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Speaker 6: Have a new James Bond.
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Speaker 2: Fickle celebrities who just a minute ago were standing by
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Speaker 2: Biden are now endorsing Kamala, and she's raised an impressive
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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars since Sunday. At her first campaign
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Speaker 2: event today, she launched a scathing attack on Trump.
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Speaker 9: I took on perpetrators of all kinds, Predators who abused women,
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Speaker 9: fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules for.
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Speaker 7: Their own gain.
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Speaker 9: So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's tape.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, the man who the entire Democratic Party now
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Speaker 2: acknowledge is not fit to serve another four years as
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Speaker 2: president is still apparently equipped to be the leader of
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Speaker 2: the free world for another six months. It's an absurd situation.
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Speaker 2: As Piers Mulgan pointed out today, I just.
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Speaker 1: Find it completely incomprehensible that the president of the United
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Speaker 1: States announces on social media not to the American people
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Speaker 1: because eighty percent of people are not on social media.
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Speaker 4: But he just.
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Speaker 1: Announced it suddenly. Oh by the way, I'm not physically
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Speaker 1: capable of continuing the next four months of this presidential race.
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Speaker 1: But the good news is I am going to carry
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Speaker 1: on running the country and be the leader of the
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Speaker 1: free world, even though I can barely construct a sentence
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Speaker 1: or stay on my two feet without falling over. It
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Speaker 1: is a completely fascical situation.
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Speaker 2: Well, just who led the way pretending Biden was on
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Speaker 2: top of his game, Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 7: Of course, we have a very bold and vibrant president
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Speaker 7: in Joe Biden, And in Joe Biden, we have a
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Speaker 7: president who is probably one of the boldest and strongest
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Speaker 7: American presidents we have had in his response to the
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Speaker 7: needs of the American people. But he is an extraordinary leader.
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Speaker 7: And I wish that people could see what I see,
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Speaker 7: because there's only one person who's this behind that resolute deak.
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Speaker 2: But don't expect the cheerleading journalists to grill her on
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Speaker 2: why she repeatedly lied about Biden's cognitive ability or examine
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Speaker 2: her policy positions, because just like we saw with the Hunter,
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Speaker 2: Biden laptop story, which was dismissed as Russian disinformation. Partisan
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Speaker 2: politics has sadly corrupted journalism in America. Even when we
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Speaker 2: could all see with our own eyes that Biden was
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Speaker 2: incoherent and rambling, the White House insisted the vision with
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Speaker 2: deep fakes, and journalists didn't lift a finger to investigate
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Speaker 2: ideological narratives that took preference over facts. Retrospective expose is
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Speaker 2: now being written too little, too late, and none of
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Speaker 2: this serves democracy or Also coming up on the show tonight,
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Speaker 2: what would a Kamala Harris presidency look like? Former Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State at Mike Pompeio's top advisor would join me
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Speaker 2: live to discuss. Also on the show, Albanesi's major backflip
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Speaker 2: following our exclusive story that AZO chief Mike Burgess had
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Speaker 2: been dumped from the National Security Committee of Cabinet. And
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Speaker 2: we'll have breaking news tonight from a leading economist who
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Speaker 2: is now predicting up to three rate hikes. This on
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Speaker 2: top of the news we're officially in a baby recession. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's now bring in our Wednesday Panel labor legend Graham
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Speaker 2: Richardson and former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger welcome
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Speaker 2: it to you both. I want to start by getting
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Speaker 2: your reaction to this deception by the White House, Democrats
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Speaker 2: in the media over Biden's mental state. It's been a
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Speaker 2: big issue over the past week. Michael Kroger, what do
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Speaker 2: you think about this protection racket over Biden's mental ability?
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Speaker 8: Well, it's pretty disgusting, and you know it's going to
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Speaker 8: plague her for the next four months because everyone she said,
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Speaker 8: I wish people could see what I see. Well, we
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Speaker 8: did see it, Kamala, We saw it with our own eyes,
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Speaker 8: and it was terrible. It was an infirmed president capable
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Speaker 8: of putting a sentence together, who clearly had early stage dementia,
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Speaker 8: and everyone the Democratic Party then realized that or were
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Speaker 8: prepared to be honest about it. After the debate, they
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Speaker 8: got rid of him. But it'll bite her. And as
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Speaker 8: for all the other things she's talking about in the
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Speaker 8: money she's raised, it's relief, it's not excitement. People in
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Speaker 8: America are just relieved that there's somebody who could put
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Speaker 8: a sentence together who's running as their candidate. And I
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Speaker 8: think this will fade over the next few months as
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Speaker 8: people realize that she's not up for the job. She
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Speaker 8: doesn't have a good record politically, She's awoke, left wing
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Speaker 8: liberal from prosecutor from effectively from San Francisco, which is
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Speaker 8: a basket case, and I think ultimately her campaign will fade.
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Speaker 2: Do you think, though, Richo, that she does present now
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Speaker 2: a credible alternative to Trump? I mean, there would have
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Speaker 2: been a section of voters who don't like Trump is
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Speaker 2: very divisive, but they would have had concerns about voting
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Speaker 2: for Biden, given he was clearly incoherent much of the time,
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Speaker 2: forgot his trade of thought on many occasions. So do
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Speaker 2: you think that Kamala Harris might win support from those
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Speaker 2: undecided voters or just anti Trump voters?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think she can. I mean, the way I
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Speaker 10: look at it, you've had a pretty awful choice between
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Speaker 10: Biden and Trump, and now you've got a slightly less
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Speaker 10: awful choice between Harris and Trump. So I think Harris
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Speaker 10: is in improvement. My God, wasn't that needed because things
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Speaker 10: were looking pretty green for the Democrats.
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Speaker 2: Well, we've been saying for such a long time. Now
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Speaker 2: you know, Donald Trump and Joe Biden, are they really
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Speaker 2: the best options in the entire of the United States?
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Speaker 2: And it is in many ways a pity that the
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party didn't have a proper process that Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 2: who many say it was a diversity pick in the
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Speaker 2: first place, has automatically it looks like she will get
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Speaker 2: the nomination and there was no democratic process. Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 2: do you think it's a pity that that didn't happen,
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Speaker 2: that there might have been better people who have more skills,
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Speaker 2: who have more strength, have a foreign policy expertise.
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Speaker 8: There are clearly much better coundiates with than the Democratic
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Speaker 8: Party than her. You wouldn't have her in the first
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Speaker 8: twenty And don't forget when she ran in for the
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Speaker 8: nomination in twenty twenty. That is, in twenty nineteen, when
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Speaker 8: she ran for the Democratic nomination, she withdrew before the
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Speaker 8: first primary because she had a support of about four
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Speaker 8: percent of the Democratic Party. Those people that knew her
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Speaker 8: best five years ago gave four percent of the vote
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Speaker 8: and she had to withdraw. Her campaign was a disaster.
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Speaker 8: She's clearly she was a diversity pick. She's been given
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Speaker 8: one big job which everyone knows, which has been a
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Speaker 8: total disaster. That's why I think she'll fade once you
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Speaker 8: get to policy substance, she will fade. So, yes, there
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Speaker 8: were a lot better candidates, the governor of Michigan, the
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Speaker 8: governor of Pennsylvania, you know, Michelle Obama, et cetera, et cetera, said,
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Speaker 8: the government of California much more qualified candidates. But as
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Speaker 8: vice president and black woman, how was the Democratic Party
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Speaker 8: ever going to go past her?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 8: I don't you know, I said last week, I thought
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Speaker 8: she was ninety percent chance of getting the job. So
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Speaker 8: they couldn't go past. So they're stuck with her. And
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Speaker 8: you know, as I said, it's not a joy and enthusiasm,
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Speaker 8: it's relief that's causing this upswing for at the minute.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, Joe Biden will speak for the first
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Speaker 2: time eight pm Wednesday in the US local time, which
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Speaker 2: is about ten am tomorrow our time. Rich O, what
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Speaker 2: reason do you think he's going to give to the
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Speaker 2: world really for stepping aside? And do you think there's
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Speaker 2: any chance that he'll resign as president?
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Speaker 10: Well, I hope he will. But that's all I can say.
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Speaker 10: I know you live in hope and die in despair,
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Speaker 10: but I live in hope that Biden himself will will
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Speaker 10: accept the advice of so many that we know have
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Speaker 10: given him that it's time to go. But you know,
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Speaker 10: I've been watching this game for fifty years and I
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Speaker 10: don't know many of them who know when it's time
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Speaker 10: to go.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a good point most politicians, and in disgrace
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Speaker 2: or their party forces them out. Not many leave at
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Speaker 2: the top of the game. And when they do, we
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Speaker 2: all say, oh, there must be some other reason. They
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Speaker 2: pretend it's for family reasons and we go digging for
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Speaker 2: a scandal behind the scenes. Now, a few months ago
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Speaker 2: in March, I exclusively break the news that the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government had removed the heads of Asio and Asis from
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Speaker 2: the National Security Committee of Cabinet. Now, this was a
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Speaker 2: big story. Today we learn that there has now been
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Speaker 2: a total backflip and the Australian spy chief Mike Burgess
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Speaker 2: has been reinstated as a permanent member of the National
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Speaker 2: Security Committee of Cabinet. Michael, it's outrageous that ALBANIZI didn't
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Speaker 2: think it was appropriate to have Mike Burgess sitting in
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Speaker 2: that room on a permanent basis given the threats to
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Speaker 2: our region.
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Speaker 8: Look, the fallout from that was huge amongst the security
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Speaker 8: industry within Australia, the military, the press establishment that right
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Speaker 8: on defense and foreign policy matters. The outrage of what
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Speaker 8: Albanze he done was what he done. What he did
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Speaker 8: was long and deep. And you know, Albanizi Bat's very
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Speaker 8: thin on foreign policy. I mean, you know, Miles is credible,
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Speaker 8: but Wong is not credible any longer because of our
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Speaker 8: appalling performance on the Middle East. Albanese has never been
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Speaker 8: really interested in foreign policy. So he had to put
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Speaker 8: Burgess back as a way of stopping the bleeding amongst
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Speaker 8: the defense and security. You know, you know aparachics in
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Speaker 8: this country who were just appalled by his decision. So
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Speaker 8: good on him for acknowledging the mistake. But this was
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Speaker 8: an amateur mistake that he should never have made in
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Speaker 8: the first place.
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Speaker 2: Well, he hasn't publicly acknowledged it, of course, so we'll
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Speaker 2: look forward to seeing him do that. And what in
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Speaker 2: the next couple of days. Look just a couple of
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Speaker 2: issues back in Australia. Now, despite Labor making emphatic and
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Speaker 2: repeated promises to lower the cost of energy bills, we
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Speaker 2: know that ninety seven times that promise was made to
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Speaker 2: reduce the power bill by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: Confirmation today that bills are still rising. According to a
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Speaker 2: new AEMO report, the cost of power skyrocketed over twenty
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Speaker 2: percent last quarter, twenty percent. It's cited as a renewable
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Speaker 2: drought and coal outages. And we also learned that we're
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Speaker 2: now in the height of a baby recession, with the
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Speaker 2: birth rate plunging amid rising cost of living. Richo look
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Speaker 2: the centerpiece of the Albanzi government's budget. They poured hundreds
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Speaker 2: of millions into lowering the energy bills, people's electricity bills,
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Speaker 2: but people clearly aren't feeling it if AMO reports showing
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Speaker 2: that they've gone up by twenty percent.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the promise was the problem. You know,
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Speaker 10: the idea that you get to cut energy bills is lovely.
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Speaker 10: I mean, we all think that's terrific. Delivering it is
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Speaker 10: just about impossible, and so I think the mistake was
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Speaker 10: in the promise.
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Speaker 2: Michael, I mean the coalition. We just had this polling
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Speaker 2: this week in the fin Review from Freshwater Strategies, and
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Speaker 2: it shows that the coalition is now head of labor
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Speaker 2: for the first time and that the cost of living
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Speaker 2: is the main issue for voters. And now this news
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Speaker 2: about the baby recession as well. Do you think this
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Speaker 2: is going to make it hard for Labor to win
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Speaker 2: the next election. It is.
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Speaker 8: And you know, as you know, I've been saying for months,
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Speaker 8: this guy is not going to win any his own right.
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Speaker 8: There's going to be swinging against him. He'll be in
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Speaker 8: minority government at best and at worse for him, Darton,
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Speaker 8: we'll get more seats on the floor of the Reps
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Speaker 8: and then have the first chance of forming government. Look,
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Speaker 8: Graham's absolutely right. He said two things at the election
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Speaker 8: that won him this election last election, more than anything else.
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Speaker 8: There's a cost of living, Christ's cost of living Christs.
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Speaker 8: He kept repeating that hundreds of times. And then, as
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Speaker 8: you said, two seventy five dollars off here, Paabill, the
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Speaker 8: elector out there, thought oh, well he's you know, he's
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Speaker 8: promising these things. Well we'll go with him. And so
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Speaker 8: he made those promises. These were just these were just
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Speaker 8: slogans given to him by the advertising agency who were
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Speaker 8: inspired by the pollsters. So Albanize went out there and
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Speaker 8: said these things. If he was a company director, of
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Speaker 8: course he'd be prosecuted for making such reckless statements. He
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Speaker 8: got away with him. It won in the election. It's
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Speaker 8: coming back to bite him, and you know, stay tuned
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Speaker 8: because it looks as if there'll be a four percent
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Speaker 8: interest rate increase and his polls won't be in the thirties,
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Speaker 8: they'll be in the twenties after that.
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Speaker 2: Jerry Richard, have you got a private prediction for what
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Speaker 2: the primary would be? Do you think it might be
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Speaker 2: in the twenties? As Michael just.
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Speaker 10: Said, I think there's a possibility of that. I hope
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Speaker 10: it's wrong, but I'd say there's a chance of it.
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Speaker 10: You know, the only thing that Elbow has really got
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Speaker 10: going for him is that people like him. You know,
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Speaker 10: the energy promise was a mistake. You then don't deliver
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Speaker 10: on it and then people punish it. That's the theory.
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Speaker 10: And the only thing in the road of that is
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Speaker 10: the fact that people think he's a good fella.
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Speaker 2: Does that come through in the research, by the way,
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Speaker 2: rich O and the labor research, that people like him?
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Speaker 2: Because you always say it, and anecdotally I just don't
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Speaker 2: hear people saying anymore. Ah, the Prime Minister, what a
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Speaker 2: good block.
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Speaker 10: I think fewer people are saying it, and no question
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Speaker 10: about that. But you can't say there are none saying it.
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Speaker 10: There are, But you know, the numbers are dropping, and
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure if you say that's alarming, but it's
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Speaker 10: certainly concerning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Michael Kroger Gray and Richardson. Great to
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Speaker 2: have you both on. Thank you very much. Now after
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Speaker 2: the break, we're live to the United States after another
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Speaker 2: big day in politics, and Joe Biden comes out of
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Speaker 2: hiding as he prepares to address the world, And Mike
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Speaker 2: Pompeo's former top advisor will join me next with her
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Speaker 2: assessment on what a Kamala Harris presidency would look like.
21:26
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, welcome back. Well, Joe Biden should have sacked
21:34
Speaker 2: the head of the Secret Service immediately after Donald Trump
21:38
Speaker 2: nearly took a bullet to the head. This is the
21:41
Speaker 2: most shocking and almost incomprehensible security failure in decades. Yet outrageously,
21:47
Speaker 2: Kimberly Cheetle wasn't sacked after almost two weeks of making excuses.
21:53
Speaker 2: She's finally stood down when members of Congress on both
21:57
Speaker 2: sides of politics called for her resignation and her during
22:01
Speaker 2: your hearing yesterday, and Cheeto finally considered that the Secret
22:04
Speaker 2: Service fell short in protecting Trump, and yet we are
22:08
Speaker 2: no closer to knowing any real information about the shooter,
22:12
Speaker 2: or why law enforcement and the Secret Service didn't act
22:16
Speaker 2: despite knowing there was a suspicious person on a nearby roof,
22:21
Speaker 2: and why didn't any of them tell Trump or his
22:24
Speaker 2: team not to go on stage. There are many questions
22:28
Speaker 2: and no answers. We're joining us now to discuss his
22:31
Speaker 2: former US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo's senior advisor, who
22:35
Speaker 2: is now the executive vice president at Steven's Ink, Mary Kissel, Welcome,
22:39
Speaker 2: Great to see you once again. Mary. Look, this is
22:43
Speaker 2: the most serious security failure. No adequate explanation given by
22:46
Speaker 2: anyone for how this went so wrong. Do you think
22:50
Speaker 2: there needs to be a stronger push to actually investigate,
22:54
Speaker 2: call a proper inquiry to find out what happened in Butler?
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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you, sherryon good morning from Texas.
23:04
Speaker 3: It is a shocking failure of the Secret Service, but
23:07
Speaker 3: unfortunately it's not the first time we've had a major
23:10
Speaker 3: failure of that institution. And I would say that what
23:14
Speaker 3: was shocking, Sharry, isn't that the President didn't fire her.
23:18
Speaker 3: What's shocking is that she didn't resign immediately. I mean,
23:22
Speaker 3: who's resigned for the Afghanistan debacle.
23:25
Speaker 6: No one. There's no honor in US politics anymore. It's
23:28
Speaker 6: sad to say, but it's true.
23:30
Speaker 3: I think the only encouraging thing to come out of
23:33
Speaker 3: this is that there was bipartisan condemnation her, bipartisan pressure
23:37
Speaker 3: on her to resign, and that's what led to her
23:41
Speaker 3: leaving that post. And there will be a bipartisan investigation
23:46
Speaker 3: into the Secret Service, which is very low morale. It's
23:50
Speaker 3: constantly ranked as one of the worst places to work
23:52
Speaker 3: in America.
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Speaker 6: It is a very urgent that we fix that agency.
23:57
Speaker 2: I mean, you worked very closely with Mike Pompa as
24:00
Speaker 2: his top advisor when he was Secretary of State. There's
24:03
Speaker 2: always risks to any high profile politician in America. You know,
24:08
Speaker 2: there are a lot of extremists in the country, a
24:11
Speaker 2: lot of access to guns. Do you think other politicians
24:14
Speaker 2: will now be fearful that they too may not be protected.
24:18
Speaker 3: Well, remember we had that shooting of Republican Congressman Steve
24:21
Speaker 3: Scalice and others at a congressional baseball game just a
24:25
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. Mister Scalise almost lost his life.
24:28
Speaker 3: We had a home invasion of National Security advisor Jake Sullivan,
24:33
Speaker 3: the security services have allowed constant protests in front of
24:37
Speaker 3: our Supreme Court justices who have themselves called.
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Speaker 6: For more security. Later.
24:42
Speaker 3: On top of that that, you have state sponsored threats
24:45
Speaker 3: like Iran, who has threatened to kill my former boss,
24:49
Speaker 3: Mike Pompeo, John Bolton and others.
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Speaker 6: And yes, it's a very complex environment.
24:54
Speaker 3: We are a free society, so there are some restrictions.
24:58
Speaker 3: But certainly you would think that our diplomatic security, our
25:02
Speaker 3: Secret Service, FBI, DHS and others would be able to
25:06
Speaker 3: do a better job than this. I don't know what
25:09
Speaker 3: the problem is, Sherry. It's probably a multitude of failures
25:12
Speaker 3: over decades, but you've got to ask what is it
25:15
Speaker 3: going to take for us to get serious about solving them?
25:18
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, you know, a former president almost losing his life. Well,
25:23
Speaker 3: let's hope that that's the crisis that sparks real change.
25:26
Speaker 3: But I'm pretty cynical, Sherry. I'm not sure it will.
25:30
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you there. Look, I want to
25:31
Speaker 2: turn to Kamala Harris. There's concern that she may not
25:34
Speaker 2: be on the same page as Biden when it comes
25:36
Speaker 2: to Middle East foreign policy. What's your view on her
25:40
Speaker 2: position here and whether she may not be a support
25:44
Speaker 2: of Israel as Biden has been over decades.
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Speaker 3: So the way that you ask that question suggests it's
25:52
Speaker 3: solely a question of foreign policy, but cherry. Unfortunately, it's
25:55
Speaker 3: also a question of US domestic politics. Kamala Harris has
26:00
Speaker 3: to win the so called Blue Wall states, which include Michigan.
26:03
Speaker 3: Michigan is a very large Palestinian American population. Recall that
26:08
Speaker 3: during the primary they lodged a vote of protest against
26:11
Speaker 3: President Biden for his tepid support of Israel, and so
26:16
Speaker 3: I view, and I think many others view.
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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris's strong support.
26:21
Speaker 3: Of the ceasefire, which would hand to massa victory, as
26:25
Speaker 3: not really a foreign policy issue. It's more of a
26:28
Speaker 3: domestic play to win over those key swing votes for
26:32
Speaker 3: Democrats in the states that she needs to win the presidency.
26:36
Speaker 2: Where I'm going to hear tomorrow morning, our time, tonight,
26:39
Speaker 2: yours from Joe Biden for the first time. Are you
26:42
Speaker 2: among those who think he should step down as president
26:46
Speaker 2: if his cognitive decline is so great that he can't
26:48
Speaker 2: run again, Well, what about the next six months?
26:52
Speaker 3: Well, it's no doubt an extremely dangerous period of time,
26:55
Speaker 3: he's already a lame duck president now that he's said
26:58
Speaker 3: that he's not going to run again top of the ticket.
27:01
Speaker 6: I think the.
27:02
Speaker 3: Decision of whether or not he steps down is a
27:04
Speaker 3: decision for him and his family. I would hope that
27:09
Speaker 3: he would do the right thing if he's not mentally.
27:12
Speaker 6: Capable to do the job. I wish him good health.
27:16
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of a relief to many
27:18
Speaker 3: Americans when they saw him able to walk onto that
27:21
Speaker 3: airplane yesterday of air Force One, because we haven't seen
27:24
Speaker 3: him since last Wednesday. But Sherry, it's not really a
27:29
Speaker 3: matter of you know, is Joe Biden competent right now?
27:32
Speaker 3: That makes it a dangerous time for America in the
27:34
Speaker 3: free world. I mean, we have seen an erosion of
27:37
Speaker 3: US deterrence now for the last three and a half years.
27:41
Speaker 3: That has resulted in many things, whether it's more aggressive China,
27:47
Speaker 3: whether it's Putin invading Ukraine, whether it's Iran launching direct
27:51
Speaker 3: attacks on Israel. Israel not able to rely on US,
27:55
Speaker 3: so they're launching direct attacks just in these recent days
27:58
Speaker 3: on UTI targets, and I'm in the major attack over
28:01
Speaker 3: the weekend that they were compelled.
28:03
Speaker 6: To do for their own security.
28:05
Speaker 3: So I think in some respects it's a little misleading.
28:09
Speaker 3: Don't just focus on this one event, focus on the
28:12
Speaker 3: bigger picture here and also how we've allowed China, Russia, Iran,
28:16
Speaker 3: North Korea to get together and form an alliance of
28:20
Speaker 3: sorts and an evil alliance. Yes, that is presenting a
28:24
Speaker 3: huge threat not just to our interests here in the
28:27
Speaker 3: United States, but to yours, to Japan's, to India's, to Taiwan's.
28:32
Speaker 6: It's a growing threat.
28:33
Speaker 3: We've got to get serious about it, and we've got
28:36
Speaker 3: to get serious about restoring de terrence because without it,
28:40
Speaker 3: I fear that we're moving toward a greater conflagration the
28:44
Speaker 3: lives of which we haven't seen in many decades.
28:47
Speaker 6: Now.
28:47
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and we talked about that emerging access
28:50
Speaker 2: of evil often on this program. And that's the one
28:53
Speaker 2: thing that concerns me about the Republican Party is that
28:56
Speaker 2: there's this isolationist movement for America not to be involved
29:02
Speaker 2: in foreign was when at this time, at the most
29:04
Speaker 2: volatile time in decades, we need a United States that
29:09
Speaker 2: is going to play a strong role as a world leader.
29:13
Speaker 2: Just before you go, Mary, does that concern you that
29:15
Speaker 2: there's this push for America not to get involved in
29:19
Speaker 2: any foreign wars. And if you know whoever's the president
29:23
Speaker 2: articulates that, then our enemies know that.
29:27
Speaker 3: Well, if you had us the terments, if our enemies
29:30
Speaker 3: feared us, then there wouldn't be foreign wars under the
29:33
Speaker 3: last four presidents. The only one where Putin didn't invade
29:36
Speaker 3: a foreign country was under President Trump. And I think
29:40
Speaker 3: our record in the Trump administration has been grossly mis distorted.
29:45
Speaker 3: The idea that we weren't interested in leadership or alliances.
29:50
Speaker 6: Is simply simply false.
29:52
Speaker 3: We had a unanimous support from NATO from withdrawing from
29:55
Speaker 3: the I n F Treaty. We sanctioned Putin's inner circle.
29:58
Speaker 3: We unleashed you a center, We took away his money.
30:03
Speaker 3: We imposed strong tariffs on China, We revivified the Quad.
30:09
Speaker 6: We got together with the.
30:10
Speaker 3: European Union and started a dialogue on China that never happened.
30:13
Speaker 6: We went around the.
30:14
Speaker 3: World, We got countries to get rid of Huaweih, to
30:17
Speaker 3: wake up to Chinese influence operation.
30:19
Speaker 2: This is a lot of this. A lot of this
30:22
Speaker 2: is Mike Pompeo, though, isn't it. This is all thanks
30:24
Speaker 2: to the former Secretary of State.
30:27
Speaker 3: No, Mike Pompeio answered to President Trump, and every major
30:30
Speaker 3: decision he took was sanctioned by the president.
30:33
Speaker 6: The president sets foreign policy, and I have to say, Cherry,
30:36
Speaker 6: I listened to a lot.
30:37
Speaker 3: Of this commentary and it just absolutely befuddles me, because
30:41
Speaker 3: it just you have to ignore the record of achievement
30:45
Speaker 3: in order to claim that the United States is somehow
30:47
Speaker 3: retreating into an isolationist show.
30:49
Speaker 6: We're not. If we didn't care about NATO, for instance.
30:53
Speaker 3: Why would we go to trouble to browbeat these countries
30:57
Speaker 3: into simply living up to their promises.
30:59
Speaker 6: Look, two percent is a floor.
31:01
Speaker 3: If you were serious about countering the threat from Vladimir Putin,
31:05
Speaker 3: it should be three percent, four percent, five percent, And
31:09
Speaker 3: those should be discussions happening in European capitals today. European
31:13
Speaker 3: voters should want their leaders to be serious about their
31:16
Speaker 3: own security, not to outsource it. So I think these
31:20
Speaker 3: are necessary conversations. I think the idea that we're not
31:23
Speaker 3: active internationally is ridiculous, and I think that a lot
31:27
Speaker 3: of the fear monitoring that's been happening about a second
31:31
Speaker 3: Trump term.
31:32
Speaker 6: I think this is unwarranted.
31:33
Speaker 3: And you've got to look at the record of the
31:36
Speaker 3: Trump era versus the Biden era.
31:39
Speaker 6: What did Biden do?
31:40
Speaker 3: Pulled out of Afghanistan, appeas deran, paid for our hostages,
31:45
Speaker 3: did nothing to really enact consequences as communists, China has
31:48
Speaker 3: become more aggressive.
31:50
Speaker 6: Yes he did August, that's great. Yes he continued the quad.
31:55
Speaker 2: And talking to me, I was Australia's idea, not America's Mary.
32:00
Speaker 2: So we've got to leave it there. But I have
32:01
Speaker 2: to say, I'm sure everyone watching can see why you
32:04
Speaker 2: were Mike Pompeo's top advisor. I really appreciate your time
32:08
Speaker 2: as always. Thank you. Now, staying in the US, Kamala
32:11
Speaker 2: Harris had her first campaign rally on the battleground state
32:15
Speaker 2: of Wisconsin. She pitched herself to voters in her bid
32:18
Speaker 2: to become US president. And joining me now live is
32:22
Speaker 2: Sky News Washington correspondent Analie Nilsen. Analise, thank you very much.
32:26
Speaker 2: What's your analysis of Kamala's first official campaign event today.
32:33
Speaker 11: Look, she's hit the ground running and the response so
32:36
Speaker 11: far has been good, but there's a long way to
32:38
Speaker 11: go and she's riding on some momentum, especially with these
32:41
Speaker 11: new fundraising figures coming in that she's raised. Now they're
32:44
Speaker 11: saying eighty one million dollars since it was announced that
32:48
Speaker 11: Joe Biden was going to withdraw from the race. But
32:51
Speaker 11: what I would say is that this could absolutely change
32:54
Speaker 11: the closer we get to election day. She's going to
32:56
Speaker 11: have to do more media, which hasn't traditionally been her
33:00
Speaker 11: strong point. And this is going to be also something
33:03
Speaker 11: where we have to focus on how the debates go.
33:05
Speaker 11: Donald Trump's now said he'll do as many debates as
33:08
Speaker 11: she wants. There should be at least one more, but
33:11
Speaker 11: he wants at least two more, and we don't know
33:14
Speaker 11: how she's going to fear in that environment. He was
33:16
Speaker 11: very reserved with Joe Biden. He really held back and
33:20
Speaker 11: just let Joe Biden to take the stage, and then
33:24
Speaker 11: we saw just so many issues with his cognitive function.
33:27
Speaker 11: Trump didn't have to do much. It's likely that he'll
33:30
Speaker 11: kind of up that strategy with Kamala Harris, go toe
33:33
Speaker 11: to toe with her, and then that could be what
33:35
Speaker 11: really changes. But there is just this sense among Democrats
33:38
Speaker 11: that they're so relieved that Joe Biden's out that they're
33:42
Speaker 11: really going all in on Kamala Harris.
33:45
Speaker 2: Although, of course Trump might also hold back a bit
33:48
Speaker 2: on Kamala Harris because of her gender, his advisors might
33:51
Speaker 2: encourage him not to be as tough on her. Adelie's
33:55
Speaker 2: what are you hearing in terms of whether Biden's expected
33:58
Speaker 2: to offer any explanation when he speaks later tonight Your
34:02
Speaker 2: time for why he's no longer running.
34:05
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, we're finally getting this Oval Office address. There
34:09
Speaker 11: was this promise in the letter that were supposed to
34:11
Speaker 11: Twitter when Joe Biden announced that he was resigning, and
34:14
Speaker 11: then that was indicating that he was going to speak
34:17
Speaker 11: to the nation later this week. What I think we'll
34:20
Speaker 11: try to emphasize is that he's not a lame duck,
34:23
Speaker 11: because he is very much a lame duck. Now everyone
34:26
Speaker 11: knows he's on the way out. He's got six months left.
34:28
Speaker 11: Remember in the US, you do formally hand over on
34:31
Speaker 11: January twenty, so that's a few months after election day.
34:34
Speaker 11: There's still that transition period. But it's really going to
34:37
Speaker 11: be hard for him now to advance any kind of
34:39
Speaker 11: major agenda now everyone knows he's leaving, and also these
34:42
Speaker 11: questions about his cognitive, fitness and ability. So I think
34:46
Speaker 11: they're going to be trying to put forward a strong
34:50
Speaker 11: image that he's not weak. He's going to be trying
34:52
Speaker 11: to deny any of that question, any of those questions
34:55
Speaker 11: around his cognitive abilities. But frankly, it's just well over
35:00
Speaker 11: the fact we haven't heard from him or seen him
35:01
Speaker 11: since this major announcement, the fact we only got to
35:04
Speaker 11: glimpse him walking down the stairs yesterday after this COVID diagnosis.
35:08
Speaker 11: It really is shocking when you consider when LBJ withdrew
35:13
Speaker 11: from the race, when Richard Nixon resigned. They did that
35:16
Speaker 11: to the American people. It's really overd you that he
35:19
Speaker 11: does this now.
35:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, especially as you've pointed out, not everyone is
35:22
Speaker 2: on social media. Many people are not. Annelie Nielsen really
35:26
Speaker 2: appreciate your analysis. How still, Ta Kama Stark warning that
35:30
Speaker 2: Australian mortgage holders could be facing even more interest rate hikes.
35:34
Speaker 2: Economist Warren Hogan will give us his alarming prediction in
35:38
Speaker 2: a moment. Plus who would be better for Australia Kamala
35:41
Speaker 2: or Trump. We're going to discuss with my panel next.
35:49
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, we've got some breaking news justin the
35:52
Speaker 2: Australian flag bearers for the Paris Olympics opening ceremony have
35:55
Speaker 2: just been announced and you're going to love at least
35:59
Speaker 2: the first padler, Jessica Fox and hockey veteran Eddie Ockenden
36:03
Speaker 2: will lead the Australian Olympic team as flag bearers in
36:06
Speaker 2: Friday's Paris twenty twenty four opening ceremony on the River Saine.
36:11
Speaker 2: You remember jess Fox Ie an Olympic gold medal at
36:15
Speaker 2: the last Olympics and became a fan favorite. Well, let's
36:20
Speaker 2: look now at the broader security for Australians in Paris
36:23
Speaker 2: for the upcoming Olympic Games. This is now a major
36:26
Speaker 2: concern after two incidents caused the alarm. There were two
36:29
Speaker 2: members of nine's Olympics broadcast team who were attacked in
36:33
Speaker 2: an attempted robbery on Monday, and an Australian woman was
36:37
Speaker 2: gang raped in Paris by five men and police are investigating.
36:42
Speaker 2: Athletes have now been told not to wear their team
36:45
Speaker 2: uniform went outside the athletes's village for security reasons. Well
36:48
Speaker 2: to discuss, let's bring in the Deputy Chair of the
36:51
Speaker 2: Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security Andrew Wallace and
36:55
Speaker 2: former Press Secretary to Julia Gillard Darren Barnett. Welcome to
36:59
Speaker 2: you both. Thing good to see you here in studio.
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Speaker 12: Derek, thank you.
37:02
Speaker 2: Andrew's starting with you. You know you're on the Intelligence
37:06
Speaker 2: and Security Committee Deputy chair. How do you assess the
37:10
Speaker 2: security risks of these Olympic Games in Paris.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it's very clear that the French government
37:18
Speaker 13: is pulling out all stops to ensure that these games
37:21
Speaker 13: are going to be a very safe games. My understanding
37:25
Speaker 13: is that between police, military and private security that they
37:29
Speaker 13: are absolutely doing everything that they can to ensure the
37:33
Speaker 13: safety of games participants and visitors alike. But there's no
37:37
Speaker 13: doubt there is a great feeling of unease amongst security
37:42
Speaker 13: officials about terrorism in these games, so no doubt that
37:48
Speaker 13: they will do everything they can to try and keep
37:50
Speaker 13: people safe. But it's certainly a matter of concern, and
37:52
Speaker 13: of course our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out
37:56
Speaker 13: to the young lady that was legitly raped and also
38:02
Speaker 13: the Channel nine people that were assaulted. So people just
38:06
Speaker 13: need to be very very careful over in France, as
38:08
Speaker 13: they would normally anywhere when they're traveling overseas, but particularly
38:11
Speaker 13: at a time where the Olympics are on.
38:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank alleged gang rape. Absolutely horrific to hear about that.
38:17
Speaker 2: But Darren Andrew Wallace, Deputy Chair of the Intelligence and
38:20
Speaker 2: Security Committees, just said that there are concerns among the
38:24
Speaker 2: security establishment about a potential terror attack. You know, this
38:28
Speaker 2: is a worry a lot of people heading to the Olympics,
38:30
Speaker 2: very much so.
38:31
Speaker 12: And obviously there was Munich nineteen seventy two is the
38:36
Speaker 12: most famous of the terrorist attacks. But that sort of
38:39
Speaker 12: threat is always going to be present, and particularly the
38:43
Speaker 12: poorest sort of borders of Europe, it's not hard to
38:46
Speaker 12: imagine that there'd be that honeypot that people who are
38:49
Speaker 12: looking to cause trouble are going to find their way
38:52
Speaker 12: to Paris. So, as mister Wallace quite rightly pointed out
38:56
Speaker 12: that there's going to be a lot of security, private security,
39:00
Speaker 12: all sorts of every effort will be made to make
39:02
Speaker 12: these games safe. But we still need to be on
39:06
Speaker 12: our kind of high alert because this is the type
39:09
Speaker 12: of event that terrorist groups would love because they would
39:13
Speaker 12: get incredible notoriety should they be successful in an attack.
39:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've even seen some posts from the Hamas
39:20
Speaker 2: terrorist group that obviously I'm not going to replay their
39:23
Speaker 2: propaganda on air, but they have been alarming social media posts.
39:27
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to one of the Albanezi government's most
39:30
Speaker 2: controversial policy since coming to office. That's their Big Australia Plan.
39:35
Speaker 2: According to the Australians Need of the Nation polling figures,
39:39
Speaker 2: over thirteen percent of Australians surveyed don't support the increase
39:44
Speaker 2: in the number of immigrants. Half of Australians polled would
39:48
Speaker 2: prefer fewer migrants, and support for immigration overall has nearly
39:53
Speaker 2: halved over the past ten years. Andrew Wallace, what do
39:57
Speaker 2: you think do you think the immigration intake has been
39:59
Speaker 2: too high?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Shari.
40:02
Speaker 13: I mean what this pole reveals is nothing new to me,
40:07
Speaker 13: and it should be nothing new to journalists or commentators
40:11
Speaker 13: or in fact any parliamentarians at all.
40:13
Speaker 4: When I'm out.
40:14
Speaker 13: Walking the streets in Fisher on the Sunshine Coast, people
40:17
Speaker 13: are telling me that they simply can't afford Many people
40:22
Speaker 13: can't afford to even rent a.
40:23
Speaker 4: Home, let alone buying a home.
40:25
Speaker 13: And what we're now experiencing is people young, young families
40:30
Speaker 13: in particular, and older women in particular, who just they're
40:34
Speaker 13: sleeping rough in their cars because they can't afford rent.
40:37
Speaker 13: They certainly can't afford the mortgage or payments that come
40:41
Speaker 13: with houses. So the Labor Party have brought in more
40:45
Speaker 13: than one point two million people over the last two years.
40:49
Speaker 13: That's having a drastic impact on the availability of homes
40:54
Speaker 13: for Australians.
40:55
Speaker 6: So people are very angry. Darren.
40:58
Speaker 2: I mean the Albanizi argues that the high intake is
41:02
Speaker 2: just to make up for the during the COVID era,
41:07
Speaker 2: But isn't the issue that this wasn't put to voters.
41:10
Speaker 2: Voters were never told there was going to be such
41:13
Speaker 2: a dramatic rise in the immigration intake, that there was
41:16
Speaker 2: going to be this big Australia strategy.
41:18
Speaker 12: Also, voters don't look backwards, they look forwards and they
41:22
Speaker 12: look at their present situation. And Andrew's right. People feel
41:26
Speaker 12: cost of living pressures, they feel that there's a shortage
41:30
Speaker 12: of available and affordable housing and they blame the government.
41:34
Speaker 12: And in this instance they see people coming in from overseas,
41:38
Speaker 12: So there should have been a better explanation made. I
41:41
Speaker 12: think the Labor Government has made some reductions in the
41:45
Speaker 12: targets for immigration from what they were a couple of
41:48
Speaker 12: years ago, but it's still an increase and that's something
41:51
Speaker 12: that they need to explain to the voting public.
41:53
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of this breaking news that's come in
41:56
Speaker 2: this evening on the Sydney Morning Herald, they're reporting that
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Speaker 2: Labor ministers Linda Burnie and Brendan O'Connor are expected to
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Speaker 2: announce their retirement in the coming days. We can't confirm
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Speaker 2: or verify that that report from the City Morning Herald.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace Linda Bernie, she wanted her legacy to be
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Speaker 2: the voice that was voted down by Australians. Would there's
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Speaker 2: be a sad note for her to end her career on.
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Speaker 4: Well Sharie.
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Speaker 13: Look, I'd like to be able to say nice things
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Speaker 13: about Linda, but Linda really was out of her depth
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Speaker 13: as Indigenous Affairs Minister. She oversaw what was a disastrous campaign.
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Speaker 13: Even from Labor Party perspectives. There's no doubt in my
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Speaker 13: mind that Labor are clearing the decks. You can see this,
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Speaker 13: what's happening Brendan O'Connor, Linda, They are.
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Speaker 4: Getting ready for an early election.
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Speaker 13: There's no doubt in my.
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Speaker 4: Mind about that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about it, Elliot. I think it opened.
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Speaker 4: Away reshuffle.
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Speaker 2: All about the resha Drew Giles and maybe even Clara
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Speaker 2: O'Neil out of those portfolios.
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Speaker 12: There are rumors that that might occur, that someone such
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Speaker 12: as a Pat Conroy might get a promotion and leaving
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Speaker 12: vocational jobs and skills open, which is Brendan O'Connor's patch,
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Speaker 12: you might see Andrew Giles shift over in that direction.
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Speaker 12: I'm not sure about Home affairs, there's not a lot
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Speaker 12: of There are rumors, but obviously no one tells me
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Speaker 12: in truth what's going on, but certainly the chatter is
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Speaker 12: that there's a reshuffle on the way and opening those
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Speaker 12: two senior spots, the Linda Bernie spot and the Brendan
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Speaker 12: O'Connor spot, means people can shift kind of without losing
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Speaker 12: best status, and that will mean there'll be new people
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Speaker 12: in the cap.
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Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see who in your promoted
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Speaker 2: to cabinet. Yeah, go ahead, Andrew.
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Speaker 13: The Prime Minister is left with no choice but to
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Speaker 13: move Andrew Giles. He's overseen an absolutely disastrous immigration portfolio
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Speaker 13: who's been a huge embarrassment to.
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Speaker 4: The Labor Party.
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Speaker 13: So there's no doubt that Andrew Giles will be moved,
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Speaker 13: should be sacked, but moved somewhere. And Claire O'Neill.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what, Andrew, I think there wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: an Australian who would think that Andrew Giles has done
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Speaker 2: a great job. And yet he is one of Albanize's
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Speaker 2: numbers men, so he might not actually sack him from cabinet.
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Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 12: He ends up in vocational skills yah yea yeah, and
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Speaker 12: that means that they say face yeah.
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Speaker 2: All right, Andrew Willis, Darren Barnett, thank you both very
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Speaker 2: much for your time. Now we've still got another interesting
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Speaker 2: segment on the show after the break. Australia at the
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Speaker 2: height of a baby recession. This is sparking more problems
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Speaker 2: for the government. Economist Warren Hogan would join me next
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Speaker 2: with his exclusive prediction of up to three more rate heights.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope he's wrong. That coming up. Welcome back. Well,
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Speaker 2: cast your mind back to two thousand and four and
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Speaker 2: then Treasurer Peter Costello was scrambling for a solution to
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Speaker 2: Australia's plummeting birth rate and he told a generation of
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Speaker 2: Ozzie's this now famous line, he one for mom, one
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Speaker 2: for dead, and one for the country. Well, if the
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Speaker 2: latest stats are any indicator. Current Treasurer Jim Chalmers may
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Speaker 2: have to issue a similar plea because Australia, we learn today,
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Speaker 2: is in the height of a baby recession and nationwide
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Speaker 2: they were just under two hundred and ninety thousand berths
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Speaker 2: last year, down by four point six percent on the
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Speaker 2: previous year, and it's the lowest since two thousand and six. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's bring in now economist Warren Hogan. Warren, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much for joining us. What is this falling birth rate?
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Speaker 2: Say about how the cost of living crisis is impacting
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Speaker 2: on everyday families Hie.
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Speaker 4: Jerry, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's no doubt a factor here and this is
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Speaker 14: big consequence if indeed it's a major force. But the
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Speaker 14: cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 4: Is very real.
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Speaker 14: It's one of the biggest setbacks in living standards that
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Speaker 14: we've seen in this country's history, certainly in its modern history,
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Speaker 14: and it's.
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Speaker 4: Playing a role. Birth rates are.
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Speaker 14: Essentially an economic phenomenon, but I think the real issue
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Speaker 14: here is housing affordability and I think that's the major
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Speaker 14: factor right now driving the lower birth rate, the lower
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Speaker 14: fertility rates, and you can see that in the spread
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Speaker 14: of the results across different parts of Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go to those different parts of Australia. So
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Speaker 2: which state is the worst when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: falling birth rate?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, well the report shows, unsurprisingly that it's the capital
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Speaker 14: cities which have got obviously the most expensive housing, and
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Speaker 14: Sydney which has got the biggest fall of over eight percent.
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Speaker 14: Regional New South Wales has only fallen marginally less than
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Speaker 14: one percent, and regional Australia is a lot less. I
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Speaker 14: think that's the clue that tells us that housing affordability
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Speaker 14: is the real issue. And of course if a kid,
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Speaker 14: if a family wanted to have three kids and they
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Speaker 14: can only live in a two bedroom apartment, then they
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Speaker 14: might only have one, and a family that might have
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Speaker 14: had one in an apartment might decide not to have any.
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Speaker 4: So I think that's the real issue.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the whole generation who don't want to
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Speaker 2: have kids for climate change. But that's another conversation we'll
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Speaker 2: have another day. Warren, you made headlines recently when you
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Speaker 2: predicted there could be two rate hikes, but now you've
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Speaker 2: got news for us tonight and you're saying it might
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Speaker 2: potentially be even worse. Than this.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's not great news, but of course it's the
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Speaker 14: reality which we can't walk away from, and the Reserve
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Speaker 14: Bank Board certainly won't. We are now looking at a
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Speaker 14: rate hike in a few weeks, and that's on the
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Speaker 14: back of what we've seen with not just inflation but
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Speaker 14: also strong employment. And they're probably going to have to
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Speaker 14: do too, because what's the point of all the anks
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Speaker 14: that they're going to generate in the community and the
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Speaker 14: political leadership with just doing one twenty five point move
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Speaker 14: after four hundred and twenty twenty five basis points we've
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Speaker 14: seen already, So they're probably going to have to do too.
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Speaker 14: But this is all ahead of the stimulus hitting the economy,
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Speaker 14: the tax cuts, the cost of living measures, the state
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Speaker 14: government measures, and we've seen hints in the last week
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Speaker 14: that this could start to have a very big impact.
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Speaker 14: Consumer sentiment from our weekly read.
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Speaker 2: Remains quickly interrupt because we're running out of time. But
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Speaker 2: you think that come November, if.
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Speaker 14: The risks there to be a third one, that's something
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Speaker 14: we can't rule out at least two, and there's a
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Speaker 14: risk of more. We've got to get the cash right up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Warren Hogan thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time, and that's it for me. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: tomorrow at eight o'clock. And up now in the man cave,
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Speaker 2: it's poor myray life.