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Katie Woo on Cards trade chips + A’s taking Mason Miller offers? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, we got Katie Wu from Cardinal Territory and of
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  Speaker 1: course the athletic joining us right now. And Katie, great
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  Speaker 1: to have you on for former Cardinal Great Lance Lynn
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  Speaker 1: making his Foul Territory hosting debut. How are you and
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  Speaker 1: you're ready for the tough questions from Lance instead of
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  Speaker 1: doing it when you were asking him the tough questions?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lance that you thought you'd seen the last of me, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, Katie always had fun because she'd be
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  Speaker 3: worried about giving me a chance to answer a question
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  Speaker 3: with one answer. If you give me a yes or
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  Speaker 3: no question, I was going to answer it yes or
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  Speaker 3: no and move on. I was not going to help
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  Speaker 3: you out at all. So she saw me do it
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  Speaker 3: too quite a few people last year. We had some
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  Speaker 3: fun with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, you know, I was always in a way,
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  Speaker 2: Lancey made me better because I had to be so
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  Speaker 2: strategic about the way that I asked a question.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll give you this, if a reporter asked you like.
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  Speaker 2: A thought out, well researched question, you gave great answers.
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  Speaker 4: But the second we slip up, you're on it.
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  Speaker 2: And I did that a couple of times my colleagues
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times, and I did not want to
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  Speaker 2: be exposed on the postgame show.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, my dad watches that show. He was going to
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  Speaker 4: roast me.
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals. Twitter is going to roast me, and you can't
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  Speaker 2: let lanceln flame you on live TV. So let's try
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  Speaker 2: to keep that a steady thing on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody knew what I was after. Give me a chance
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  Speaker 3: to make you earn it, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: What was training.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he's just such a good teammate that he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to even make the media better on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 1: That all right, So let's get into biz here, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinals got swept over the weekend buyers sellers. Where
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  Speaker 1: are we tilting the pendulum right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So it's obviously not how you wanted to start the
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  Speaker 2: second half. And John Mozelak has said even in early
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  Speaker 2: July that he's prepared to go into the final week
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  Speaker 2: or seventy two hours even before the trade deadline, before
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  Speaker 2: he makes a decision on what the Cardinals will do.
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  Speaker 2: I will say whether the Cardinals buy, sell or hold,
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  Speaker 2: it won't be to any stream degree right now, as
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  Speaker 2: they covered just two games over five hundred. They've had
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  Speaker 2: a really just bad July. They've won just three out
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  Speaker 2: of their fourteen games, to key players in Lars new
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  Speaker 2: Bar Nolan Gorman on the injured list, and then their
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  Speaker 2: starting rotation has an ERA over seven in July. So
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  Speaker 2: just all around not good baseball for the Cardinals lately
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  Speaker 2: comes at a time where they're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: make a decision about their direction and they still aren't
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure where they're going to go. If
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals do sell, however, Sky, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be in a fire sale by any means.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're looking at more of a soft selloff,
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  Speaker 2: similar to what they did in twenty twenty three, where
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  Speaker 2: they were offloading players on expiring contracts. Look, we knew
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  Speaker 2: that this season was going to be a transition year,
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  Speaker 2: and while I think the team did a really nice
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  Speaker 2: job and maybe overperforming a lot of the expectations coming
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  Speaker 2: into this season, right now you're kind of seeing some regression,
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  Speaker 2: especially from the rotation, and what the Cardinals must figure
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  Speaker 2: out is what's more important to them right now trying
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  Speaker 2: to sneak in and maybe hopefully getting that final wildcard
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  Speaker 2: spot in the second half or continuing on the path
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  Speaker 2: that they declared at the start of the season, which
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  Speaker 2: is looking at twenty twenty six and beyond. I'm prepared
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  Speaker 2: for this, and I think the Cardinals are as well
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  Speaker 2: to go again up until the final seventy two hours
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  Speaker 2: before the deadline.
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  Speaker 5: Kay.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see with their youth they have the ability
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  Speaker 3: to do both at the deadline because they've got a
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  Speaker 3: good decent core of pitching and hitting. And then if
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  Speaker 3: you can figure out maybe expiring contracts, how to add
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  Speaker 3: to that so next it's for next year also, but
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  Speaker 3: maybe something that can help them push down the stretch
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  Speaker 3: and maybe sneak in that final World card spot. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like there's a way they can kind of do
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  Speaker 3: both here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: just depends on if they can turn it around against
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  Speaker 2: the Rockies here in Chorus Field and then they have
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  Speaker 2: four games against the Padres app Bush Stadium. I think
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  Speaker 2: those seven games will dictate if they can kind of
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  Speaker 2: straddle the fence. And that's what they've been doing all
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  Speaker 2: season long. Right, We've heard this all year. Can the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals balance runway and result at the same time? And
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  Speaker 2: to their credit, in the first half they did for
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  Speaker 2: the most part. A good example of this maybe straddling
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  Speaker 2: that fence, would be the fact that the Cardinals are
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  Speaker 2: continuing to shop Eric Fetti, and this is someone that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to look to trade regardless if they buy
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  Speaker 2: or sell, because it allows them to trade someone that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be on an expiring contract. He'll be a
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  Speaker 2: free agent in twenty twenty six. It opens the door
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  Speaker 2: for Michael McGreevey, who will spot start today against the Rockies,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe we'll give him some extended time, some consistent
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  Speaker 2: time in the rotation because he hasn't had that. You
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  Speaker 2: can also look to trade away some of your relievers
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  Speaker 2: like Steven Matt's, Phil Mayton of course right and Helsley,
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  Speaker 2: who I'm sure we'll get into. The Only problem with
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  Speaker 2: that is if you're trying to compete in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the three relievers that have made the most
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  Speaker 2: impact in the late and means they've been absolutely instrumental
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  Speaker 2: in locking down leads in the seventh, eighth, ninth. I
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  Speaker 2: know Halsley has not had as dominant of a year
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  Speaker 2: as he had last year, but still very much the
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  Speaker 2: team's closer, and it doesn't look like the Cardinals really
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  Speaker 2: have someone that they trust filling that role if they
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  Speaker 2: get rid of Helsley. So there again, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: tight type. What is it when you're on like a
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  Speaker 2: balancing rope tight rope thing?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's where they are right now as they continue to
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  Speaker 2: go into the deadline. And you know Mo has said
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  Speaker 2: all season long he hoped he has difficult decisions to
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  Speaker 2: make if the Cardinals flame out against the Rockies. I
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  Speaker 2: think that decision will be a little easier. I think
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  Speaker 2: they'll wan to the soft cell. But to your point, Lands,
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  Speaker 2: they can absolutely do both.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, one name you haven't said yet Nolan Arnado. I
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  Speaker 6: mean no trade clause. Have you heard anything about certain
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  Speaker 6: teams that he might go to or he might not
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  Speaker 6: go to?
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  Speaker 5: If that's the cave.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I know, it doesn't seem like there's
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  Speaker 2: been any change in the five teams that Nolan Arnaudo
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  Speaker 2: would accept a trade to. And we know those teams
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  Speaker 2: coming into the season, where the Yankees, the Red Sox,
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, possibly the Astros. Even though he didn't and
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  Speaker 2: I'm missing one, help me out, guys, what did I
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  Speaker 2: already say Dodgers Padres?
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  Speaker 4: There we go there's my fifth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's.
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  Speaker 2: All California, right. It doesn't seem like there's been any
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  Speaker 2: change in that regard. And plus Nolan will be the
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  Speaker 2: first to say his offensive performance has not really led
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  Speaker 2: to maybe any kind of increased trade value like he
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  Speaker 2: would have hoped. He's playing a gold standard third base again.
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  Speaker 2: He looks just like he's twenty five years old at
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  Speaker 2: the hot corner again. But when his offensive production has declined,
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  Speaker 2: the slugging is down, the ops is down, he's not
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  Speaker 2: hitting a ton of homers. So it also goes into
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  Speaker 2: that contract, which was a big reason why the Cardinal
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  Speaker 2: struggle to trade him over the off season in the
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  Speaker 2: first place. Doesn't sound like there's a lot of traction
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  Speaker 2: on the Arnatto front. I would imagine we revisit that
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  Speaker 2: conversation in the off season.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and you started talking about him, so let's keep
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  Speaker 1: it rolling. Ryan Healthley thoughts on if they do end
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  Speaker 1: up selling, how much he could command and what kind
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  Speaker 1: of season has it been for him compared to the
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  Speaker 1: last couple.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a perplexing season for Helsley because if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the amount of times that you know has
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  Speaker 2: hard hit rate. The fastball bela is exactly the same
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  Speaker 2: as last year. It's still one of the best fastballs
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  Speaker 2: in the game in terms of a velocity standpoint.
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  Speaker 4: He's just getting hit really hard.
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  Speaker 2: And it's been kind of a struggle for the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: pitching coach Dusty Blake and Ryan Helsley to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what's changed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that just kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Speaks to the volatility of being a reliever, especially a closer.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Just because Ryan Helsley is not as dominant as he
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  Speaker 2: was last year, doesn't mean his value has completely tanged.
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  Speaker 4: We know this. Any contending team is.
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  Speaker 2: Looking for high leverage, high octane relief pitching at the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: Could Ryan Helsley still command a return for the Cardinals. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: But if the Cardinals think that they can still contend
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  Speaker 2: and still compete in the second half and again sneaking
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  Speaker 2: to that wild card, they're not going to move him.
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  Speaker 2: Now that brings in the question, well, what are they
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  Speaker 2: going to do with him in the future. That's not
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  Speaker 2: a John Mozaeillac decision. That's a hind bloom decision. He'll
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  Speaker 2: take over the roster changes, of course, after the end
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  Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty five regular season. What the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: have to way with Helsley specifically is are they built
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  Speaker 2: content in the next two months? Can they sneak into
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  Speaker 2: the second or the final wildcard spot. Is it worth
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  Speaker 2: holding on to Helsley to try to kind of reach
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  Speaker 2: that fever dream of a postseason or should they stick
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  Speaker 2: to status quo and focus on the future. If they
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  Speaker 2: decide to do that, I imagine they'll move Halsley.
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  Speaker 3: If you think if they're looking to buy, is there
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  Speaker 3: anybody that's off limits? I know, and the past walker's
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  Speaker 3: been off limits and stuff like that. Are they still
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  Speaker 3: in the same boat with those guys?
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  Speaker 4: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what makes it that way is when
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  Speaker 2: you look at how this team is currently constructed. Is
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  Speaker 2: there one trade out there that all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: makes this team a perennial contender? All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: You're thinking, Okay, the Cardinals can beat the Dodgers in
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  Speaker 2: a five game set, can beat the Phillies in a
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  Speaker 2: seven game set.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, not really.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know much about the market right now because
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  Speaker 2: there are so many teams like the Cardinals. The bubble
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  Speaker 2: teams if you will, that have not yet decided what
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  Speaker 2: their direction is going to be at the deadline. But
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  Speaker 2: I just look at this Cardinals team that is in
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  Speaker 2: transition where they are trying to figure out a lot
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  Speaker 2: about which guys can they build on their future, which
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  Speaker 2: guys are they going to move on from where it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like there's someone that can go out there
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  Speaker 2: and add and automatically make them a surefire contender. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that John Mozelac and the Cardinals are
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  Speaker 2: going to trade away from this future, from this core
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  Speaker 2: that they've pledged on giving an entire season to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I caution, whether it's buying or selling,
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  Speaker 2: I don't see the Cardinals really going big in either direction.
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  Speaker 2: You're maybe looking at an incremental rental if they buy,
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  Speaker 2: or a soft selloff if they sell. And again, guys,
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  Speaker 2: this series against the Rockies will probably dictate what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Hey, if you're going to have a series that
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  Speaker 1: decides your season, I would raise my hand for the Rockies,
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  Speaker 1: even though they just played better against the Twins and
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  Speaker 1: took two out of three. If you ask most players,
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  Speaker 1: you pull them, Hey, who do you want with your
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  Speaker 1: season on the line. I think you'll get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Rockies answers right now, but I'll backtrack for a
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  Speaker 1: moment to get granular on what just happened. What went
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  Speaker 1: wrong on their first series here after the All Star break.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's you're only as good as your rotation is,
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  Speaker 2: as Lance knows, when you have a starting pitching staff
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  Speaker 2: that gives up five six runs before the third innings
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  Speaker 2: over and you have an offense that's not really clicking,
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  Speaker 2: and that really puts you in a hole. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: are Polante came out there, allowed six runs, five earned,
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  Speaker 2: and the first three innians. Sunny Gray gave up nine runs,
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  Speaker 2: eight earned in his outing on Saturday, and Miles Michaels
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  Speaker 2: gave up five runs and four innians, And it.
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  Speaker 4: Just felt like the Cardinals were competitively out of it before.
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  Speaker 2: They even really got a chance to start the game.
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  Speaker 2: And this rotation did a really nice job in the
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  Speaker 2: first half of you know, they're pitch to contact staff.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this about the Cardinals every year. Every
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  Speaker 2: now and then, balls are going to go through guys.
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  Speaker 2: Are you know you're not going to hit a guy
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  Speaker 2: every single time? The Cardinals starters did a nice job
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  Speaker 2: of weathering the storm and keeping the game or keeping
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  Speaker 2: the team in contention. In every game in July, that
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  Speaker 2: hasn't been the case. They have been hit really hard.
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  Speaker 2: Whether you're looking at Miles Michaelis, whether you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: Eric Betty STIDDI. Grays had some nice games, but as
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  Speaker 2: of late it hasn't been as effective. Matthew Libertor has
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  Speaker 2: already surpassed the amount of AN ANDC through last year.
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  Speaker 2: That's why Michael McGreevy a spot starting today to try
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  Speaker 2: to give him some sort of extended rest coming out
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  Speaker 2: of the break. So it just kind of feels like
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  Speaker 2: the perfect snowball of things not going right. That definitely
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  Speaker 2: happened in Arizona. It's really hard to play a competitive
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  Speaker 2: baseball game when your rotation isn't really giving you a
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  Speaker 2: chance from the start, and that's what happened in all
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  Speaker 2: three games.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Lastly, Katie, I hope you had a nice All Star break,
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  Speaker 1: although I think the last game that you recovered, if
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  Speaker 1: you happen to be there, went of halfway into the
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  Speaker 1: All Star break. I remember I was at dinner on
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  Speaker 1: what Sunday night and they had something going on. What
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  Speaker 1: was it the celebrity game or something like that, and
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals game was still going. That was really kind
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: of a microcosm of some of the weather that you
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  Speaker 1: dealt with in the first half of this season, didn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the first half was, but I
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  Speaker 2: hope to never experience something like that again.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've set a record for Dovile Betters.
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  Speaker 2: I left Bush Stadium at like ten thirty the night
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  Speaker 2: before the All Star Break. I was I need to
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  Speaker 2: apologize to my fellow media members. Who I was that
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  Speaker 2: night was not a reflection of who I am as
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  Speaker 2: an employee.
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  Speaker 4: But we were very much over it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we were over it, and then we rolled into
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  Speaker 2: the All Star break and I don't know if you
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: guys can tell, I caught the flu. So just all
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  Speaker 2: around vibes really not good. But you know what, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to grind it out. We'll play a little hurt today.
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  Speaker 4: It's all right.
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  Speaker 2: My second half starts today because I didn't do the
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  Speaker 2: Arizona series, and I'm hoping for just better all around,
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  Speaker 2: more positive vibes, no rain ever again, and maybe the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals can figure it out to make things interesting over
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  Speaker 2: the final two months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's all fair. And she just
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  Speaker 1: had her flu game flue performance just now.
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  Speaker 4: Today.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, there you go. Hey.
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  Speaker 1: If that doesn't impress Lance, I don't know what does.
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  Speaker 5: Lance.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm impressed. It didn't keep her down. She did
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  Speaker 3: what she needed to do. So don't get any of
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  Speaker 3: the guys sick though.
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  Speaker 1: Distance distance, Katie, You're the best. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Feel better. We'll talk soon.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, so good to see you, guys.
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  Speaker 5: Lance.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hot corner time. All right, let's get into a
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  Speaker 1: little trade deadline discussion, shall we. We'll start with a
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  Speaker 1: team that I think will be incredibly popular no matter
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  Speaker 1: what they say. Michael Lias was on MLB Network Radio
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  Speaker 1: the other day and said that he will not be
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: quote blowing up the team at the trade deadline. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: no crap. They're not selling a way the core players.
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  Speaker 1: We get that, but he said players on expiring contracts
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  Speaker 1: are at the top of the list. He will be
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  Speaker 1: passive about trading other players. This is Jacob calvin Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: who covers the team every day great on FT. When
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  Speaker 1: he's on with us, giving us a little summary of
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  Speaker 1: what went down, he said, we U this is Elias
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  Speaker 1: Now quote, we think we're going to be very good
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty six. I mean, I don't disagree
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: with anything he said there. Okay, not trading the core,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: got it. Trading away guys that are going to be
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: free agents after this year, and maybe guys that are
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be free agents after twenty six. We'll see. And
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: then he thinks they're gonna be good. Yep, all makes sense.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: In twenty six he thinks they're gonna be They blow.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: It, man, They blow it a couple of years ago
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: with everybody they had prospects wise. We've talked about this.
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: I'm sick of talking about it.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: But now what's the next step is they actually have
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that they can trade away right now.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I was on Baltimore Radio the other day and they
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to know how far it goes. Like some of
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: them on the hosts on the show were like, I
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: think they should trade Felix Bautista, and I'm like, yep,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Felix Bautista almost nothing right now. He's one of the
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: best relievers in the sport. He's the closer of a
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: team that you think is going to be good next year,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: and he's under control. For at least two more years
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: after this year. As far as I know, Lance, why
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: would you trade him? It's not like you find those
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: guys on trees, and if you're getting him in the
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: in free agency, there's they're rarely available even in free agency,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: and when they are, it costs a ton of money.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, is there a prospect package that even
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: makes sense for him for me?
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: No?
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: No, no, definitely not, especially with your if you're competing
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: next year, you can't.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: You can't.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: You can't lose that from your bullpen. I think it
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: was pretty obvious. Hey, we're going to trade away with
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: expiring contracts. Yeah, you do that. You get some you know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: pitching depth, maybe some starter depth, and then you figure
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: out what you got to do next off season to
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: get some aces and to go with your young guys,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: and then you hope for some you know health. To
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: be honest to you, I mean, they had they had
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: a weird year and then you know their their free
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: agent signings didn't work out. So regroup had the guys
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: that don't expiring contracts, get as much as you can
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: and then let that core go to work next year.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: With the good off season, you're keeping Felix Bautista.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: No, yeah, how is that even? Yeah?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like anyone that's it's in Baltimore that's thinking
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: with that mindset is drinking too much of the prospect
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: five year plan cooler now, I mean not this year,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: but your time is twenty six again.
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, could they be great? Yeah, but they I
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: don't know the way their trajectory. I don't understand how
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: they're not great.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: It's just well, you know, their brass needs to figure
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: it out, man. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they've had injuries.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: That's a great call, bad winner.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: But they've also had some injuries that are starters, which
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: sucks to as well.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: So they didn't do anything well.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: They did things, they just did the wrong wrong.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: That's I don't know. They didn't do anything the good right.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: They banked on the starters they had.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: Scott Scott knows this. I told I said in b
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: and here they're not going to make the playoffs. I
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: said that they don't. They don't do anything right. From
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: the brass perspective, I'm not blaming the players. I'm blaming
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: the people up top.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Transactions they missed. Yeah, they've done a nice job drafting
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and developing. But yeah, so basically from what he said,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's the Cedric Mullins, Ryan O'Hearn Sir Anthony de Mingez,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: gregorys Soto. These are all guys that I think are
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: free agents after this year. Those types of players make
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: sense for me. Ramon Loriano does have an option for
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: next year, but I would think you know you're catching
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: him when his stocks at the highest you want to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: make a case on him. Okay, you can find someone
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't think you're finding a Felix Bautista
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: that easily. So to me, if you're doing that, you're
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: resetting the trajectory. I know it's one player, but that's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: eliminating an inning for you throughout a season and in
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, because the other thing lance is that they
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: haven't won a playoff game during this run. So again,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: if you're good next year, you better not get to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a point where you're looking for high leverage bullpen help
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and you're blowing games late because you traded Felix Bautista.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They traded Brian Baker, who was more of a you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: late bloomer.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Great story.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: They were able to get them right right and then
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: move them to the Rays with multiple years of team control.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: For me, I'm not even doing that. Like you know
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: how it is, like some teams are really good at
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: finding and developing bullpen guys and then for me, I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: know that it's volatile, but like sometimes guys click in
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the right place and they can be really valuable for
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like a three to five year period like in their
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: prime for you. So I'm holding on to all of that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: If I'm a contender, I'm not trading that away.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: No, I'm with you.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: If you have team control beyond next year, you don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: get rid of them with what they have, and then
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you figure out get as much as you can for
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: anybody who you don't see being there next year, it's
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: going to be a free agent, and then you got
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: to go all in next offseason. You got to go
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: get the arms. You kind of look at what Houston
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: did years ago when they went and got Cole Verland
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: or all that. It's time for them to go all
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: in and spa some money and make sure you lock
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: up that young core too, because those guys are starting
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: to trickle into where they're going to make some money
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and if you don't have them locked in, then you're
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you're doing all this for nothing and then you're looking
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: at a full, full retool again. So it's time for
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: them to go for sure. And I, like you said,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I think they missed the boat this offseason with that core.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: They should have had a little different did a different
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: go out, especially with their starters.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do one more. We're focusing on bullpen for
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: this segment. Ken Rosenthal came out with his latest Notes column.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: He has Fair Territory that's out right now. If you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: want to consume that podcast, YouTube, whatever, obviously, just look
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: up Fair Territory. But also we'll talk to him about
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: this Notes column tomorrow. Here's one that I want to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: dive into for a moment. The Athletics resolved to keep
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Mason Miller could be subject to change, sources telling Ken
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a year ago, Miller was untouchable.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: To this point.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: The a's matching this season is pretty much the same,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but according to sources telling Ken, the team's plans that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: stance is subject to change the way they see it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Only a few teams are bold in to propose an
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: author offer worthy of consideration. Philly's Dodgers Yankees figure to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: be near the top of the suitors list. For the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: flamethrowing reliever, while the Padres and Mariners can never be
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: counted out when top talent becomes available. To me, this
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: means we went from zero percent chance to like ten
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to twenty percent chance. That still means that he went
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: from unavailable to available. You want to entice them. He's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: now available. So this is not necessarily like their big closer.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: They're going to build around.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: How many years as they have left before everything.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Before free agency or yeah, before free agency, he probably
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: still has.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: He going into our one after the shoot.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, I think he's still on
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the league. Man, I'll get that free in one set.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Probably three or four years left until he's let's see
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: earliest free agent year twenty thirty and are of eligible
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: twenty six.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Yep, all right, perfect, go after.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: If this is the case, whether it's ten, twelve, one, two, seventeen,
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: eighty five percent, I don't care. This is where a
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: team like the Orioles per Se give three prospects for
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: this big dog.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: You know. No, I'm just saying because they got it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: If you have an opportunity to get a guy here
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: for four or five years through arbitration, this guy is
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: the most premier closer in baseball. He's filthy, I mean Yankees,
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: Philly's dog. Yeah, of course the big games are looking
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: throw an extra guy in there. I've always said this man,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: I've always talked about this what's his name? For the
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Red Sox, the lefty they got from the White Sox
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: pitch they were killing me, the Boston fans. I said,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: give them five prospects, you know, and they almost did.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Actually I was almost fright, but at the same time
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: for right, Yeah, go ahead and go after a guy.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: These young guys you have down there, their prospects for
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: a reason. Give them to a team who thinks they
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: can build them up and make them better. This is
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: an opportunity to get a freaking monster monster play if
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: it's the case.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, although the A's should eventually keep some guys.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep them when you're ready to go to Vegas, right,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I mean the question is when are they ever going
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: to make a push? And I don't see it in
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: his time? So why not get as many prospects as
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you can when you look on the other way, right,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you try to get five prospects for him that you
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: can next thing, you know, three of those five hit
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and then you've got a better ball club, but this
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: guy's prime or his cheap years, you're probably not going
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to compete. So it's similar with what's going on with
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Skiens in Pittsburgh. Man, you're just wasting away. And then
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you know if you wait too long and you never compete,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: then you might not get anything for him. So get
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: as much as you can and then you go from there.