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BFB #525: Six In a Row: Broncos Beat Texans 18-15 · Mile High Huddle Podcast

• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, and welcome, and it is Monday morning of Victory Monday, Denver, Broncos, York, Denver, Broncos, sitting here at seven and two, winners of six in a row of the Broncos organization, Logus Winstreet, dating back to 2015.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And boy, by the skin of their teeth, they...
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: might be winning, but man, it is a heart palpitating.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am hit candle joined by Eric trickle.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eric, good morning to you.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Always good to see you on the shows.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Little late because I spilled my coffee as I was getting some last minute things together for the kid for daycare.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I had to clean that up because obviously coffee can stain, but also had to get another
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, full thing here.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So appreciate you guys waiting.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eric, it's good to see you.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Always fun.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot more fun since Broncos are winning.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is our first regular season doing these shows together.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have arguably the best Broncos team we've seen in a decade.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really awesome to do that.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And man, I know there's plenty to be
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: At right now, but I just want to take a moment and appreciate the Broncos sitting here at seven and do the chiefs drop a game Broncos tied for the best record in the AFC.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they are the three seed with the playoff, uh, tiebreakers and everything, but like who cares at this point, right?
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're sitting there at seven and two and, uh, Denver, according to NFL.com, 91% chance to make the playoffs.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a epic collapse at this point for the Broncos to be seven and two and not make the playoffs, right now the question.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Make the playoffs, it's what seed can we get?
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can we win the AFC West?
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Excited, obviously, caffeinated.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Second one going, a cup of coffee going here.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Haven't even let you talk at Eric.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: How you doing?
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm doing good.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, obviously with the, you know, when the teams winning things are better and they're sitting at seven and two as you said, and a two game lead in the division, which is always great when he still have, you know, five division, Vision all games coming up.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're taking care of business.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're winning those close games, whether six and two in those close games or five and two whatever the record is, I can't think of it whenever it off on my head.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: which was, is the complete opposite of where they were at last year.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're beating good teams.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: They went into Houston and against a tough defense and managed to pull out the win with just enough place no matter how much the special team unit tried to hand the win over to you.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, Texans, but.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: they, it was a ugly game, but a good defensive battle, which I think everybody was expecting.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of my written bullet predictions that I had was that the,
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: the teams combine for under 30 points and not too far off from that four points off of being under that mark and just goes to show the kind of the expectations that they had that went into this when you have two of the at the very least top three defenses in the NFL depending on the different metrics that you want to look at and all that and so it was a great defensive battle but defensive battles aren't always the most exciting so it was kind of a
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: boring frustrating game because you know, you want to see the big plays on offense, but I'm a defensive guy.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I loved the game.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I loved watching the defense is going and stand out and do what they did granted.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were some given up plays, but they went in and handled business without patches of tan and that I think sends a loud message to the rest of the NFL.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got Troy come in here $10 super chat.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Troy, a member, so make sure you guys are joining as well that way.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He says, being good teams on the road when we do not play well.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: team if we can just play well consistently by the end of the year.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know there'll be a lot of made about Bonix and his play and oh my god he's a superstar look at it as in the fourth quarter versus how he does the first few quarters to get to that point.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are trying to drop parallels to that 2015 team right now with the DOA offense until they absolutely needed.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It feels a little bit more like the Tibo year to me with
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: more upside in the passing quarterback, but just talking about anemic offense early on and then pulling it out when you need it and how improbable it is, but we'll see if it is sustainable, but it is a lot of fun.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Big thing for me though, like I said, a lot will be made about Bonix this way, that way, whatever you've kind of touched on it already.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bonix will be, we're on this ride.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Buckle up, fast on the seat belt, tie yourself down.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're riding this one until we're out of gas.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: The special teams, I cannot, I cannot take it anymore, Eric.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like posted yesterday.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to commit a crime here pretty soon.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am so frustrated with the special teams.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's every freaking plane out.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you guys are listening to the show or followed me on Twitter, any of that stuff, it's not the specialist themselves.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's AFCE special teams try the month.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Krosha had a hell of a game.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he had some really huge booming puns.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the core four kick return, kick return team kicks, I guess is what you get a block and then the two cover units with puns and kicks and everything.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're just driving me up a wall.
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's penalties.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's missed the execution.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's bad lanes.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Rizzy, what is what it is?
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it that you do here?
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's obviously not working.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: This has been hair pulling.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when you have a good defense and the offense is not good.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need your special teams to show up and they have just been
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Petrid I can't even believe how bad they were yesterday.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the one of the shows in the morning shows we had somebody come in and asked about it.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's wrong with special teams and I was like, well, going through it.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't find one issue with it.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I recently sat down and watched a lot of their special teams with the guy I know who coaches special teams and he was like, it's not a single issue.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of issues.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when that's the case.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the coaching, right?
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the coaches fault that you don't have your guys and fully knowing the new kickoff rules, right?
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it is, you have to establish yourself in the end zone, which means you have to get both feet in there.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Tyler, but they did not do that.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it would, instead of bringing out to the 35, it was brought out to the 20.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, Michael Bandies, that is more on the player, but it's just a comedy of errors.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when you, again, when you have so many different errors, that is on coaching.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on any one player, like it would be easy to go out there and say, oh, we're missing, we're having bad punts, we're missing, we're missing a bunch of kicks.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably something with the holder, with bad snaps, like there's a constant there that you can point at.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: that's not the case with it.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's every single week.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is somebody different on special teams is doing something poorly with the exception of Jail Skinner who has become one of those guys.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been pretty consistent on making errors on special teams.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's you got to do something and it was nice to hear Sean Peyton afterwards.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He made a comment along the lines.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what it was for Betham that if special teams doesn't get cleaned up, we'll go find somebody who will fix it.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, which is nice to hear because one thing that Sean Payton has proven time and time again.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're if you're buddies with Sean Payton at the coaching staff for the player, he's not always the, you know, wanting to give up on you.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty can take a while to get to that point.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to hear that he is with Rizzi.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, things either to get fixed or else, like it's nice to hear that he's fun at that point.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because what the Broncos did on social team yesterday, that was a fireball offense.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was horrible.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think back to a book and yours coach, John McCay.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: When the book news are absolutely terrible in the 70s and a reporter asked him what do you think your team's execution and he replied, I'm in favor of it.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the dark way of answering that.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I'm getting to the special teams.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you in favor?
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about the special teams execution?
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of colder, long snap or kicker puncher, I'm in favor of it because God bless.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't, I haven't done the math yet, but because of the turnovers, one of them directly to special teams.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: and because of the penalties and just bad kick coverage, this is another game where the Broncos had to be drastically losing average started in field position.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I know a lot of people of the deep, you know, they're playing Davis Mills 15 points.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You bowed your neck or, you know, flexed at the goal line a few times and you were constantly behind the eight ball because the offense and special teams was tag teaming destroying you with terrible, terrible field position.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try to give the ball away even more times, but at the end of the day, it's consistent.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The the arrow that points north for this team.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're going to live with the erratic nature of the offense, I think, in general.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can get into that more, obviously, but I just I've kind of resigned myself that, you know, that is going to be what it is going to be fun highs, very frustrating lows.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't have the frickin' special teams anymore, man.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, on
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's really, it's really starting to make me mad.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's one of those most frustrating things because it is a controllable element for it because it's not that it's not necessarily that teams are going out there and beating them out on special teams like some of the bigger turns those were just, you know, the blocking just was so good and everything, but it's just much punts, the penalties, the Milwaukee formations they do,
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: creative return designs.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you look at a lot of other teams and they have some creativity with what they're doing.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Darren Rizzi, one of the guys who helped create these new kick-off rules.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: is just so bland and basic, you get the ball and you just run forward.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no little, you can still do misdirections.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you have two returners out there, you can do some misdirections stuff.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's try some of that.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just try something that is a little bit more creative instead of just being so bland with the return game.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's,
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's frustrating it's to the point or I mean it's been unacceptable for weeks but it's to the point where it's like you have two more weeks you haven't told a by week and if you don't if we don't see improvements on special teams they're we're moving on we're going with someone else like that's it that's the mark that you have and I only say the by week because it's a natural time to make a change when you have that little bit extra week off to fire a coach and then have whoever the special team to assistant is I can't remember his name
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: can step in and take over and just kind of get things corrected in that and with that extra time off.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had Banjo in house, the Jets special teams has been awesome out there.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know they're terrible, but they're the special teams that we had Ben Katwika.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can never pronounce the name correctly, but it's it's drastically and Erica just kind of realized with our tone, we kind of sound like a spoiled SEC fan base.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's you know, I'll play offbound, but we want to game but not buy enough.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: to.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Special team driving me nuts, but I just had to give it off my chest because bad special teams play when your offense is where it is and your defense is where it is, lose games because of that.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I think the defense is good enough.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Simple stuff.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned you know, good opposing special teams units.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's freaking every week against a different.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's more the, the Bronco.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Perry West.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not certain my heart can take this.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Perry.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much more I can take either.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been very, very frustrating with the, with the, with the, with the, especially, and so he's talking about just in general, the Broncos.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully that is something that we can see, continue here.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we got a good game against the Raiders coming up and Eric, thanks for letting me know about my internet.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have my Wi-Fi right behind me, but my computer does not have a port.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully I will get one here.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this is as good as it'll be for me today.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it becomes too much you let me know in the chat everybody.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Huge super chat been in here from Coach Chris as I'm back from Vietnam, good to see you.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says Plano.ps2 gave me some doubts.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our defense of backsplay great, including Moss.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Sean is handcuffed, both of them.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were plays where you could have ran.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, did anyone see both stat compared to John's first 25 games?
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first off, thank you so much for the giant.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: $50 super chat and welcome back from Vietnam.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you fence a back's plate?
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nico Collins is a top 10 receiver.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's he's kind of like Demarious Thomas Light because he is so freaking huge And that's just what he even sometimes when he has the ball that one play where he got absolutely Pelted it was a
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: from Joe's any state on this era, I mean, in the same.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's been the secondary played great moss, shout out to Baron as well, a good game, and my player of the game has to be a phonga.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Zach Allen, our hyphonga, you have to pick one, absolutely, and junk for that matter as well, but incredible game from a hyphonga.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was a standout game.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that there's a lot of people that think that JK dominance has been the best for agent signing, which I understand I get it.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been outstanding for them.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's already almost 200 yards more than the Leading Russia for the Broncos last year.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not hard to gravitate towards that.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: but who Fonga to me, it remains the best one because you have patches of tan and we've talked about this before.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is the shroud that serves the drink.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now you don't necessarily have to have that be the case because of who Fonga and what he brings to the defense and especially with the way he's playing.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been outstanding.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: My only gripe about his play when you get the hit, get your hands on the ball, come down with the interception.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's had like four dropped interceptions on the season and two of them in the game as
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, man, if you could chain, if you can flip those into takeaways, this defense would be elite, like there would be absolutely no doubt about it.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just because that is the only element to missing, to missing the takeaways at that high at that high rate that can be such a, you know, obviously such a big play for them, but be that difference maker for from being good or great defenses to being elite or great defense is depending on where they're sitting.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is the only gripe I have with who found that like.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's only because that's a consistent one.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's been another place where it's like, yeah, well, why are you doing this like, like the weird tripping one that he had against San Diego?
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But let's decide the point.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: This has been a pretty consistent issue, but he's been playing like his hares on fire.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely phenomenal.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care for it when Vansho's if goes with him as a single high safety.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when they do that like they have some stuff that they that they're doing to make up for it, but it has he's been great absolutely love what he's been bringing it to the defense and he as you said, he or Alan are definitely the defensive stars for this game.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unbelievable John Franklin Myers also has been playing like a man possessed so those two together on the interior Cooper and Benito kind of you know.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cooper, I think had another second on this one, but I think we've gone three games out, Benito, getting in a sack.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's be new that the pressure disintegrated.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be fair for Benito.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He caused both sex against Dallas Cowboys and he caused one or two of the sex against the UC Texas.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just because he's not getting home.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's still causing a lot of disruption.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: My point was that his pressure to second version rate was like an outlier of all outliers.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: For like there was always going to be.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Regression there and we're seeing that I don't think his level of play has dropped it's just the actual finishing the place to testically has because the amount of this how many pressures he was getting that we're leading to sex was unsustainable just statistically speaking, you wouldn't see that Rob bucks bomb, but yeah, he's asking about good morning says ugly one, but we'll take it absolutely we're seven and two leading vision think the Broncos make a trade if yes, what position will they do have that extra fourth round pick burning a hole in their pocket.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that would be nice to have in the draft as well because we've seen this George Peyton regime like to jump up and down around the board with that said it seems like the Broncos are heavily interested in making moves potentially for the likes of a wide receiver or a tight end.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow's the deadline at 4 p.m. Eastern, I believe.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the Broncos are working the phones pretty hard.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew there had been some talk with the Packers with at least you mentioned Erica, Luke Musgrave, but now that Tucker Crafts probably going to be out for the season, that probably changes things a little bit.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Giants losing again, the name that I keep throwing out there, it doesn't sound like they're interested, but Theo Johnson is the one who they're featuring.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to get Daniel Bellinger again, you're talking about
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: more of a tight end two or three, but like just like terrain, if that's worth a six round pick to me, that's worth a fifth round pick to me and get somebody who can play why and change things.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you got David and Joku out there as well.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Steelers are probably moving on from firemuth after that win.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the big question is what the Broncos be making a move at wide receiver.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of talk about Sheheed from the New Orleans Saints.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then also Jalen Wada who doesn't seem the Broncos are linked to, but he would be
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're talking about going for it this season.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Broncos got a lot of mystery box going on with the wide receivers after Cortland Sutton.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wattles a top 20 receiver in the league.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Still, I think just 26 years old, three and a half years of cost control, as well, on a contract that lines up well with where the Broncos salary cap is at.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Currently as well, and Bonix is rookie contract.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think right now, if you see any move, it's gonna be a small move for a tight end.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would assume.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's they're supposedly they're still monitoring the waters.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've marked it still just kind of looking at how things go in there.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a what's his name.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The guy who coversates Nick underhill.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the guy who covers the states?
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he came out and he said that the states are asking for a third round pick.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not the value of a third and that is a very
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: different term terminology there, different, very different precise wording.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when teams say value of a pick, it means then, you know, like a fourth and another pick that raises the value of what's combined to that, but they are asking for a third brown pick for
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although word has been is that that is one that they have been calling on, they've had some conversations about just can't get around that price tag that they're asking for.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think tight end, they had some conversations with the Packers about Musgrave as, you know, I've talked about it on here before, but I don't think that's happening.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pat fire move that's not one that I think even if they see this were inclined to trade him, which seems like they still are, but.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Denver can't fit that contract because he's like he's like 12 million against a salary cap this year at this point because of paid money for games played already David and Joker the clue and Browns are telling teams know he's not available.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're keeping him in place.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like TJ Hawkins and he's another one that there's been some rumors there, but the Vikings supposedly have been telling teams that he's not available.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if they add a tight end, it's going to be like, it's going to basically be a number three tight end.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the biggest question is, can they be an upgrade over out of Adam Trottman?
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: If yes, then fine.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if the number three tight end just gets somebody who's better than Adam Trottman on the field.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he is disgustingly bad when it comes to blocking.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm as much as your tire, especially I'm that I'm that tired of Adam Trottman blocking.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is so frustrating.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: My guy is Daniel Bellinger, but I'm biased because I like them a lot coming out of San Diego state tightens typically take three to four years and he blocks like a demon and he is a good athlete as well.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And some of those like blocking the least stuff, imagine somebody with some athleticism and physicality, making a guy miss rather than what we've seen.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then mostly it's a tough regime there, but they've been so injured, who knows with the giants, good to see a rob appreciate to do.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say a little to a bunch of other people coming in here.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: a string guide, good morning, anyone wants to build chiefs?
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: If Josh Allen is not the MVP of the league, I don't know who is.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish bonus.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bonus looked that efficient.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get Bonix and the undoubted top 15 of the league category before we talk about him being top three and league personally, but string guy.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you went to bed early.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Allen's been great.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see what Sam Darnold did last night?
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if he's definitely got to be in the conversation with the MVP.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously that feels like a will be cushion that could go kind of like we saw with Daniel Jones, but I mean,
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The throws that he is making are like pretty darn incredible and Clint Kobiak will be ahead coach somewhere next season with what he's done with that Seahawks offense, but I mean Sam Darnl's got to be in the conversation as well.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: What a, everybody kind of poo pooed the Seahawks off season and they look like one of the best.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: five teams in the NFL.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the best 3D fences in the league and Donald's playing unbelievable football.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ernie May's great to see ya.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brock was seven two.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gonna be eight and two.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those division games are always weird, but should take care of business and the Raiders went down to the very end lost on a 2.1 conversion versus the game.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna have to have a good package though to stop Brock Bowers who had an unbelievable game back from injury yesterday against the Jags.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see other plays out, see Gabe Rocks is in the house good to see a Gabe, David Youngkin, Dave Glassman, great to see a Gabe Roo and the post came in of you pay and suggested Boast should run more and didn't tell him not to.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know where that came from.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said something about making sure that you're running
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: conservatively with bonyx because they're the Texans linebacker has, I don't remember the kill the shot kill shot from Trevor Lawrence last season.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need that with bonyx.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted it to be more of a break glass in case of emergency or if they're playing man coverage and you have the ability to like get out of bounds.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: do it.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, go, go down early.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: These guys are competitors, right?
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You try to get that extra yard.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to say in the moment, all he protect himself when you're one yard away on a third down.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't mind it too much against this Texans team with how else you hear and Petrie tend to hit.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it is frustrating from time to time and maybe we can get some half-fueled reads where if it's man-covered, there's nobody on the other side,
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's it's frustrating to know there's a lot of it's both Sean Peyton and Bonix, but I see plays that look like they're well drawn up to me.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just need execution.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not all Bonix.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, try Franklin and Portland Sutton.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on to the ball, please.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But uh, I don't know.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a good defense and our quarterback right now is erratic in the dropback pass game.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there's plenty of issues throughout the season where you have that open field for botanics and he's just not taking it and it's it's brushing the big one.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: In our group chat, there was a couple of plays that were pointing out.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's only one that I agree with where he should have ran it and that was a third and six where he just launched it and fell in complete.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had he had the first down if he just takes it down and run and I think it was the one where people were calling that he was beyond the line of scrimmage even though he
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the same play.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's one where you're right on the sideline anyways, just take it and you can protect yourself a little bit because you have that sideline as well.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that that's the only one where he should have taken it and ran with it on those that he didn't and just scrambled for it picked up that first down and it just goes to some of that decision making that was still erratic with bonex that we've got to see a little bit better.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part, I'm an agreement with you.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were all these ones where, especially in the middle of the field.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like three or four of them that people were calling from to take off and run in the middle of the field.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where Alcheir is and Petri is playing.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no thanks.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't need to risk it.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: as erratic as botanixes.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do believe that he is immensely better for the Broncos than Jared Stittamiz.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So don't want to see Jared Stittam out there personally, but nothing against him.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it is just one of those things where as you get the defense, the way that they played, and the way some of those guys play, which makes it kind of funny how we're having demecal Ryan's and Will Anderson and a couple other guys talk about Chris A. even ensuring hit on CJ Strahd when as he's actually year is still employed by that team.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's always going to be through that lens and it's an emotional game.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't blame that.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Chris Abrams drain.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I didn't mind it.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he went low and he was not even.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't touch CJ Strauss head.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the force of the contact with the ground.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're quarterback's a runner, you take that risk.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one reason I'm just like, oh, you liedly.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and don't slide, so hard too, right?
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we just talked about it.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: The competitive nature you're right by where that marker is you're trying to get every inch.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: How in erratic their offense has been that's just it's a it's a hard ask man, but it's not your Patrick at home for some reason who's a slippery little you know what.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jason O'Neill comes in.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good morning.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good morning on the road.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Underdog is against a really tough defense flying home with another Dob special teams needs fine tuning.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Give a shout out to Will Lutz as well.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not his fault.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that Autry block that one Autries block.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they said 12 and his career.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Holy bleep.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's unbelievable They need to be more consistent.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I was I'll say it on here.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we'll get us flag But I was pissing him out into start the show.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to get off my chest because it just drives me so freaking
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: up a wall to have the special teams that bad this team.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's bone next going to play like a top five quarterback the rest season.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so, but I think the a lot of the parts in place you have a chance to win as far as you can possibly go if the special teams has cleaned up and I think it's fixable.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fixable, so that's why I'm upset about it and will continue to complain about it.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jason comes in good morning, Broncos Country Happy Victory Monday, confused by Sean Payton repealing abandoning the run when
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eric, we kind of talked about this off-air, the lot of teams defensively are playing the pasts almost no matter what and a lot of offenses are responding by getting a little bit heavier in their personnel, the force teams into base defenses.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there'll be a point where maybe you'll run the ball so efficiently that teams will respond, but we're kind of seeing it with the Seahawks this year.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're running a lot of 12 and 13 personnel, but they can't run worth a lick,
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: run first looks against them because they are still balanced even if they're not really efficient running the football.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: From what I'm seeing is what I saw from the Texans on granted some of this is having Derek Stingley and their team building everything, but they have been more of a cover for cover two defense, but we saw a lot of heavy boxes yesterday.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that one, I think it was the first, first by the second half, you saw JK Dobbins run in a nine-man box and get nine yards.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: My personal opinion is that you're seeing Bonyx checked to passes fairly often because the looks would dictate it's a pass friendly down.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't want to run where they have more bodies in the box than you have blockers, duh.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're playing a light box, check to the run.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Teams are, from what I saw from the Texans in general, teams are playing loaded heavier boxes against the Broncos, because I don't know if they fully respect the speed and the perimeter weaponry from the Broncos, but I also don't think they respect Broncos in the drop-back pass game.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like early on in the season we talked about Sean Payton talked about taking some things off of Bonix's plate and not getting him.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The options to check into a past maybe that's something you see here.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But my opinion is I don't think Sean Payton isn't calling the run play.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to line with multiple plays in line and based on the look because what the look is, you're seeing Bonix opt to a past play because that's what the defense is trying to get you to do and they're not executing.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the my thing is is even against loaded boxes you still need to try to run and you kind of touched on why a little bit Dobbins on the one it was a nine man box still picked up nine yards the Broncos on the season they've been
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've been very boomer bust against the run, in terms of yardage, they actually have, I think the seventh lowest stuff rate allowed against the, when running the ball against deck boxes, and they also have like one of the top five in total 10 yard plus runs against deck boxes, so they can do well.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And against the Houston Tech, some defense that is middle the pack when they stack the box.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dobbins actually averaged six and a half yards per carry against a Texan specifically when they stack to the box So you still you still need to do it and it's just one of those things where I don't think it's Sean Peyton that's going away from it
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's bone next and it's for what you said it's when you go to the line as a quarterback and you see a stack box and you get a one on one matchup outside you're going to go and you're going to try to take care of that one on one matchup.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The issue I have with with bone next doing this is it's obvious every single time what that one on one is going to be.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a deep shot every single time and with how Broncos have been with connecting on those deep shots it's basically just wasting it down.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's still better to run the ball in that aspect of it.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it is a thing of opposing defenses and the Houston Texas especially did not give Bonyx the respected deserves as a passer because of the way they're stuck in the box, daring them to pass whenever you get dared to pass.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a shot at Eric quarterback.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a sign of disrespect for your quarterback because they don't believe that your quarterback can go out there and beat you.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna try to make you beat them through the air.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the Houston Texans did and the Broncos were able to come through
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: but in early situations in the early game of this in the first half, they ran the ball eight times, six of those were on the first two drives.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: That isn't okay.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is not balance whatsoever.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Denver ran the ball more than second half.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: and we're still pretty efficient running the ball.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta have a little bit more balance in the games like this, especially against the Houston Tech's defense, which as fearful as they are, they're middle of the pack against the run.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were slightly, they were just outside of the bottom 10.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the opening for it and you just weren't doing it enough.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whether that is Sean Payton not calling it, or Bonic checking out of it, whatever the case it is, they did not try running enough early in the game.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll give some, just push back a little bit.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is not respect for the Broncos pass game as a whole.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also it's having Derek Stingley who's, you know, it's kind of the same thing with Patrick Stingley.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos have one of the highest stack box rates in the NFL.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that's not playing good quarterbacks so far this season.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of it is having arguably the best cornerback in football.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And probably number two.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: is there, exactly.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it's a, when it's such a higher percentage, because there's like 15% more for against the Broncos from the Houston Texans.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it's like that, if you talk about the league average, no, I'm compared to what their average was on the season.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it's that, it's pretty much an indication of the quarterback way.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And some of it could be the weaponry.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: To everything happens in a, nothing happens in a vacuum.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason that the Broncos have been calling on wide receivers.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that a lot of fans, when I suggested on Thursday, maybe the Broncos throw a first round pick and trade one of their younger weapons to upgrade and get water at risk.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I want the young weapons, like, well,
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the often, is it bone X as the problem or is it the weapons out there, you know, you can tell me a point to one I want to help him out here and if the Broncos are looking for why receiver upgrades when you already have, you know, four guys and you're barely getting targets for Brian's and even, I don't know, I think, uh,
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're saying that they're not in love with their guys, and they want enough grade.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we got Clayton, good to see you.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you coming in.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope you're doing well.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got Roy, good morning.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Woo, we the Broncos gave me a heart attack and a stroke.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, please be careful.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are why we don't need any of that.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you coming in and saying, hello, we got Ralph coming in here.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good to see you at the Marquis Lairoth jersey.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: At the beginning of the season, I figured the Broncos would cut ties with JFM.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm thinking you might get paid.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure where the Broncos can do salary cap-wise.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, who's the other five technique for either they have?
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're both in active in this game Jackson.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yep I kept thinking Franklin, but that's who we're talking about Jackson both in active save out I was always going to be a work in progress even if he's just a depth piece.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine return on investment But he's got to get better against the run right now.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the big holes on this team entry next season is interior Defensive line.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just AFM.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's also roach.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see about that.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I did want to give a shout out.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about the defense.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Eric, they had a great game.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The goal line stands were unbelievable in this one.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Drake Greenlaw, oh my god.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You felt I felt him in those ones.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number 57, what a player and have to give a shout out to the Broncos run defense in this one.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then Strad was in there.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first few drive Strad was just playing.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was third and eight, third and five.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Texans were not really able to run the ball effectively or explosively at all.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: and they kept that up throughout the entire game.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I know a lot of the advanced stats Eric point to the Broncos being, you know, 12th, 10th in run defense, but these last two weeks specifically three weeks even.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: What they've done against the run since Malcolm Roach has been
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: re-inserted into the line of four weeks, I guess, with the jets in there as well.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've been a lot better and I've been really impressed.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to the run defense.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody in a past defense is sexy, getting sex, all the exotic pressures, but you can't.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that without eating your veggies against the run on the early downs and the Broncos did that really well against the Texans.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and for Ralph's comment, and first of all, is I love seeing Mark Schlerch, as he's representing Alaska, even though he did come out on the radio once and I'll never forgive him for that.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, with JFM, Denver just needs to pay him.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like at this point, if Savion Jones can't even be active, he's not going to be ready to take over starting job next year.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you want to play that waiting game with him and work on him to develop him next year, you're hoping that he's a regular active and part of the rotation and then even bigger part of the rotation and then starting so go come up with a deal you can work it in the run in salary cap.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this a lot, salary cap is essentially make believe even though everything does come due eventually.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can consistently kick the can down the road and work around it and all the stuff at that when you have a quarterback on a rookie contract, well, guess what?
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it easier to do that when you have rich owners where you can manipulate the cap even more through bonuses, well, you can work around that salary cap even more.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And John Frank and Myers, a three year deal that's basically two years with an option for the third one.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: By just go that route with it, get it done, so you have your starter in place, and while you're at it, just hand Malcolm Roach DJ Jones contract.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pay them both.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a, I was question, I didn't like the DJ Jones contract for that.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was an idiot over it.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just handed to D.J.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: to Malcolm Roach as well because of the difference of the run defense.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos are more suitable to run before Malcolm Roach came back.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Since Malcolm Roach has been back, not only has he improved compared to last year as a run defender, but significantly, he has been enabling everybody else around him to be better against the run.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Zach Allen has improved since he came back.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: John Flank and Myers DJ Jones even the edge rusher's everyone has improved in run defense with Malcolm Roach back and that is a sign because of Malcolm Roach going out there and do his job.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Defense is what is winning this team games keep that defensive front.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think is the best part of this defense.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it intact.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Extend both those guys.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't even risk taking that significance step back next year by just because from losing players
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep bringing along Savion Jones, Jordan Jackson, you can fire them into the sun for all I care, but Savion Jones, work them into it, just keep the defense intact because it's been you've been ripping the rewards in the past rush and it's been even more so in the run in the run defense, so keep it together, just short of it and just get these extensions done.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will push back on Eric just to play Devil's Advocate is this is already one of the older rosters in the NFL and you just need to be able to cycle town.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's especially true on the defensive line draft in the village.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I hear what you're saying it obviously depends on what the contracts are as well.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want to be purely second third contract guys on the defensive line.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You need some young up and coming guys.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can draft and still get those guys in there.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could see where it's, you don't have as much option, especially with the way these guys are playing and people trying to maybe take away from the Broncos.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have the defense keep standing up, Eric, and potentially advanced dose of leaves, then you're gonna see.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You get the deals on sooner than later, and as you say, you can still draft for the younger guys for and developing especially on the defensive line where they typically take two to three years for them to develop.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: As probably the pathway that you're looking at for saving onions.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can still spend a top 100 pick on a defensive line in this next year and have them be one of those game day and active replacing Jordan Jackson essentially on the roster as you can do to work on developing them and you can start that rotation here is when you get by the thing is when you get to that point where you don't want second or third round contract guys you've got to have the pieces behind them to step in to where you let them go Denver's not there yet and this is such a strength of the unit that you don't want to make it weaker with by just losing the guys and not having the replacements in place.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we do have an update here, Sean Payton's obviously talking state of special teams coaches coaching is outstanding at the issues with players not being on the field or being late on the field.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I think that
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's frustrating.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: If your players aren't getting on the field in time, that's probably on the coach's coaches, making sure those guys know their responsibilities.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: If not, then I guess it's on the front office for not picking people smart enough to know when they need to get out there in time and knowing their roles, but I think that's probably again on RISI and these special teams coaching.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: At least we can identify that it is a problem from Sean Peyton and I'm sure there's a PR face with where you're answering versus what's happening on in house, but anybody with eyes that has any sort of knowledge of football can see that the special teams is.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: horrific right now needs to get better.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Coach Chris coming in again $20 just making up for my absence.
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Absence makes the heart growth funder.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So $70 in super is today is incredible.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we do appreciate that coach Chris.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope you had a great time in the Vietnam Broncos failures week offensive looked okay even with our injuries.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great game demonstrating next man up when you start running a two back set.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You did see some.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: two-back set from the Broncos, Adam Prentis out there, I think this is a game he did miss Nate Ackens and he's kind of your, he chose the line between fullback, Hback, Y, Titan, not necessarily the length in the dropback like past protection that you want from a Y, but he's useful in the run game and being inserted out there.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, print us a shout out to the fullback dive, getting that first down.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't key in on, I don't know what his total snap count was, but we did see some two back stuff.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just you don't typically see that in the league, unless you are a really good pass weapon, as well, from that to what is it 12?
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Personals at 12 or 21, I always get those mixed up.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 21.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of that.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: 21 personal.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I would want Coach Chris and it's kind of harder
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have applicants out there and we're trying to force teams into more advantageous past situations.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we Denver doesn't have to necessarily do that, but teams right now are playing the highest rate of six offensive line, heavy personnel on offensive we've ever seen in the league teams are burning an eligible receiver to force teams into base defenses to get those one-on-one on the outside.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that's the thing going forward.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denver maybe doesn't even necessarily need that because teams are playing heavier boxes against them.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would be great to have another blocker in there just to force and run the force the defense is hand a little bit and run even more efficiently against stack boxes.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not so sure it's an issue with the Texans games specifically, but just overarching team philosophy for the Broncos.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say the funniest play of the day yesterday was Adam Prentice finally moving about three seconds after this nap.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's he was so late to get off out of his stands that it seemed like it was by design, but it wasn't he finally moves when there's a defender like right in front of him.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: made me laugh for a good minute out of it.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it would be nice to see the Broncos go a little bit more jumbo, but the injuries have kind of derailed that because they haven't been able to trust Calvin Throckmore now to get out there on the field in time.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think in two of the last three games when they've gone to that he's been getting out there with, you know, 10 seconds left on the playcock and they play clock and they've had to burn a time out for it.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it is not a, not ideal when you have that big guy Alex Paul Chesky playing left guard due to injury.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I got to say give a shout out to you from Mercedes Lewis, he only played six amps, but he did pretty darn well on those six nights or having just joined the team.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Inspired a lot of confidence with getting some improvement in the blocking from the tight end position, how much he had more he has to offer as a receiver.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's out there, I bet you'll get something gold to go.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but he is definitely still has a lot left as a blocker.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of showed a little bit of that.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was one play where it was very obvious.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He still wasn't sure about the play call for being so new to it.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's the one out there and executed it a little bit.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I executed it pretty well.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited for that.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still wouldn't preclude me from adding it head into the trade deadline just because Adam
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I couldn't do anything to upgrade over at him, drop men, just do it.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some more quotes coming in from Sean Payton because of the Thursday game.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got an earlier press conference says again, about the players coming in, having issues, apparently he's grumpier than normal.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Permite class on the earlier ones.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sean Payton said, my disappointment after the game was more of the late on.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to be on special teams unit and you're sitting on the bench.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a problem.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're looking for personnel people that potentially can upgrade versus the coaching.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So putting them on notice as well.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind it.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure behind closed doors putting the coaches on notice as well.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But just not good enough.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The NFL game is I mean, we've seen it.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's Denver's record now in one score games, a flip of last season, so far.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be the person to say that Denver's probably do for some aggression there, but the chiefs can regress from there's last season.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not hitting 500, you're probably due for aggression.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we'll see a little bit improvement there.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denver's writing the, I can't think what the word is right now, but the variance pretty highly right now, but that's, you know, that's football.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some seasons, it's like that.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a sustainable pathway to winning football games though.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Runky, a good morning, Nick and Eric.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Broncos for breakfast, gobo, Broncos.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, Michael, the Ronk.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Book myster, come in a good morning, big dogs.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can't take much more of those games.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have the fight in this team, Wolf.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Buckle up, book myster, we have a long season.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And with the ways Denver special teams is playing.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good defense as well.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Defense not taking the ball away still, Eric, driving me insane.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, the offense.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And unless they're playing a bottom five defense, have it some hard times putting together consistent drives, there's going to be a lot of games like that, unfortunately.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're very eagles like without the superstar pass, a superstar skill position players, right now.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of three announced, and we're living and dying on the run game paired with the explosives, the down-to-down, drop-back pass game, efficiency-wise middle of the field.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of the Dallas game in the Cincinnati game, not really there right now, but we still got to have a season to correct that and we kind of saw Bonyx at this point last season take off.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then Reluk victory Monday, absolutely good to see you Denver Luke.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Eric, I am.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're starting to wrap up here.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't have too much more to say.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this was a big win for the Broncos.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You go, what are you now?
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three and three on the season in conference play.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I might be off our to me.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three and two.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to give Denver an extra loss there.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe four and two in conference play.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three and two in conference play.
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got three wins against the NFC.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You sit in there with seven and two.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got everything right in front of you right now.
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're game the game on the chiefs.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's thank you to Buffalo for that.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That makes that game at Denver.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not as much of a must win.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That said, if you win these next two games, you kind of have a little bit of a chokehold on the division as well.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would take.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: some pretty unfortunate post-by stretch there, but everything's in front of them there right now, plenty to still improve upon.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Statistically speaking, the thing that drives me nuts about this game is, yeah, do a stay.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, the thing that drives me nuts is that I just need this defense to start taking the ball away, because like right now, I'm kind of, I would love the offense, we can go all day about bonus in the past game.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Defense is incredible.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a maybe unfair to ask them for more, but the plays are there to be had.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Strip sex, you're getting pressure.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hands on the football.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to start seeing some takeaways and when I rather not create turnovers and win or create turnovers and lose, I'd rather create turnovers and win, but that is, I think outside of point scored, the most indicative stat for wins loss is turnover differential.
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's start taking away the freaking ball.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like teams with what isn't it with teams with plus two turnover differential typically win like almost 95% of the time or something like that over 9037 I think three is 95 okay.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it's just it's such an indicator of when so being able to in the ball because obviously you're taking the ball away from them, you're stealing a possession.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're taking a taken that possession away from them, given it to your offense, so it's.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It does happen where you don't, you turn the ball over, happen yesterday, where you can turn the ball over or get those takeaways and still lose, but it's just not very common.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's one of the things where Denver needs to start doing it, especially with, again, how often they're getting their hands on the ball.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Cooper gets the New York Giants or the Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboys.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know who found a twice against the Texans twice another game, like they're getting their hands on the ball.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just not able to come down with the intersection.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is a major difference that needs to happen to help they just defense yet another level and be even more threatening.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and U.S. Dave says explain us.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos are.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: probably winning in a non long-term, replicable formula with the turnover differential.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's other things here and there that are happening.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But again, you had two, you lost the turnover battle by two in this one.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: More times than not, you're going to lose games about that.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a coaching cliche for reasons.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of data saying that winning the turnover differential wins the game.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not reinventing the wheel here.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm boring talking point, but it's one that
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you're winning these games despite losing the turnover differential is means that there's a lot of potential and meat on the bone for this team to be even better.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to Jacob Roper's point, our most NFL games won score games.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why the NFL's King and so much great parody and the league and every single game is pretty good.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also it's one reason you see graphics out there that are like teams records if you flipped
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: more times than not and you see the chiefs last year going a crazy streak of one score games and then regressing this season it was what three years ago Eric where the Vikings were like 10 and no one won score games and the next season they have the 13th overall pick in the draft.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times and again we can get into some of the really nerdy statistics but they have like Pythagorean wins which takes into account like point differential and like one score game results and everything.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of figure out what a team is predicted going forward based on those statistics as opposed to what their actual record is.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, what matters at the end of the day is the actual record, and most predictive for what's going forward is what you've done in the past.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we do have again a broad enough sample size over many teams, not just the Broncos in there, seven game, what are seven, nine game sample size, but indicate what would go forward.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, take a look.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, you're not going to make excuses for winning.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the wind doesn't count less because you won by one score game, just an understanding that when you are playing one score games and what is Denver's record and one score games so far, five and two, something like that.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It resets every time to 500.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean the next time they're guaranteed to lose that one.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a gambler's fallacy.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like rolling the dice, you roll the one.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, next time I roll, it's going to definitely not be a one because I have rolled a one.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It resets every time.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 50% going forward.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But just areas, you know, to point out and keep in mind on at least where my brains work.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even disagree.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just very analytically driven and what we've seen overall from the sample.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Eric.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really hard to complain too much.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously things to work on.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to the defense.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making excuses.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They knocked out.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stroud and had take on Davis Mills.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denver had to be without Akins and Patrick Sertan.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You play the opponent in front of you.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denver goes into a tough matchup.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: All but knocks out the Houston Texans.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe out of the playoffs.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have a hard time.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jumping the Broncos at least.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're in her really, we're in the driver seat.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now going forward, chargers without Joe Alt may be for the rest of the season after another ankle injury that he's been playing.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: like arguably the best tackle in football.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a huge, huge loss for them.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things are, dog is looking, is it?
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: OK, Summit, stop it.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Summit.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have anything.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Coach Chris, he's married.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not yet.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Coach.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, God bless.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But no, yeah, really happy to be happy seven and two.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we have a lot to nitpick on, but with how bad this Broncos team has been for a decade, just happy to be here and in the driver's seat.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's part of what makes it so happy is that looking at the rest of the game, obviously you still have those five divisional games and divisional games are always a little extra tough.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: but you have a Washington commander's game that may not be as scary now with a dislocated elbow for Jayden Daniels who I've seen things that some comments that they're expected like six weeks at least.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of those situations where one that would mean he's out for the Denver game.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to it's probably more a season ending because unless you're in the playoff on at that point, you just don't bring him back.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: and risk reactivating it, you have a, I mean, even with the being divisional games and this week, being a short week, the Las Vegas haters, they are a bad team.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have the Kansas City Jews, which are still tough.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Green Bay Packers are a still, they're a questionable team.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're, they're good, but,
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: they can be really bad sometimes.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The jaguars are kind of in that same situation.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is not as daunting of a back half of the schedule as we thought it was, you know, earlier on in the season when the jaguars looked like they were elite and the packers looked like they were elite.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They look in more middle of the pack.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So still might be losses.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was saying Denver's going to
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as daunting of a back half of the schedule.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So with Denver sitting at seven and two, it makes the back half makes it exciting because of how the back half looks and keeps 13 and four still a possibility.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm 100% with you there did want to make one more point before we get out of here dog side of looking at stuff.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good dog.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: really don't want the Broncos to.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good job, Doug.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Overlook the Raiders as well.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All this goodwill looking ahead to the chiefs as well.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can find out a lot about the makeup of this team and the coaching staff, how they handle games like this, a team that's young and volatile with a lot of variance.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You overlook the Raiders, you know, home Thursday night kind of weird circumstances.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Raiders are terrible.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You get punched in the mouth.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's going to happen with this Broncos team under Sean Payton from everything we've seen, but this is a
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing as a guarantee in the NFL, especially with how the Broncos have been playing a lot of close games this season.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully this is a game that Broncos come in and it feels a lot like the Cowboys game.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: They control us, they run the football, they win the turnover battle, they make the raiders look like a, let's say, gosh, I don't know, we'll use Oregon playing a Mac school, Oregon versus Toledo, right?
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like just control the game,
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: show up and do what you need to do, because there's a big talent, a discrepancy.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll say the rate of defense is playing better than you'd think on the surface, like a lot of their stats like, oh, this is actually closer to the middle of the pack, but their offensive line is dreadful.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Smith has been playing like a bottom three quarterback in the league.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So take care of business.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They can't run the football either.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really smart using a six overall pick on that.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the, I mean, sorry, you're a good.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: with the whole thing of not overlooking the Raiders add to that of not just you know divisional game short week but the cheap sub necks off a by week.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it'd be really easy to overlook the Raiders with that coming up with they're on a by week while they get that extra week off while we can this is an easy game we can look ahead of for it.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stay focused on it because despite their issues with the offense,
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, offensive line, as you said, is absolutely terrible.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not doing anything in the run game, but they have that one weapon that is such a threat to this defense with how they've handled granted the end up doing a fine job against Sultan Schultz.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Minus one miscommunication where Alex singleton blew his drop.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: They handled him pretty well.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They shut down Jake Ferguson.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that provides some positive vibes and hope for slowing down Brock Bowers, but last year they turned to patches for tan to do that quite a bit and well now they're going to be without him.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So fortunately, it does sound like Jacobi Myers will be moved sometime before tomorrow, which makes a receiving core a little bit worse, which Jacobi Myers, if he isn't traded, he's always managed to have good games against the Broncos.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, don't want to overlook it.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a tough game.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still think that everything the Broncos will walk out with the win in this one.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: My biggest fear is, and we've seen it happen multiple times already this season.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos are going to treat themselves in the foot enough to keep the raiders in this game.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You saw it against the jads, we saw it against the giants.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it enough to where that is a reasonable fear to have with the Broncos, especially with how this offense has been.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm expecting to take away Parade for the Broncos defense.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know I say it every week.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to manifest it at this point, but taking away the run like they are and Gina Smith put in it in the other way.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they're gonna have a heck of a game plan to take away rockbours.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this might be a big Jadda bear in game.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They might have even drafted Jadda bear in specifically with like what we got bours in the division for the next 10, 15 years.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: we need to tie it under racer.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that formula changes a bit, but saw enough from the secondary this game that I'm not as worried about it.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got a cheese fan coming in here two weeks away.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very annoyed at the the NFL at large, giving the chiefs a by week before the Broncos game on the road.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that we have the minibye, but like the why do they have to give the chiefs that much of an advantage.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Still, I think Andrew beat is like 22 and 4 or something unbelievable coming off a by week.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid and I feel, but regardless, we'll see what happens and Denver seven and two and currently in the driver's seat.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the chargers are one game behind Eric.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned a two game leader earlier.
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're just talking about the chief specifically, but uh...
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, we got a lot of fun things here coming up for the Broncos and excited for Thursday night football as well.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We will see everybody later, man, what a what a fun ride it's been so far and we'll hopefully be back.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: What we will be back tomorrow night to talk about any potential Broncos trades, Carl and myself and I'll see dips out on me again last minute.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, appreciate everyone.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eric, shout out to you.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for everybody waiting a little bit.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I spilled my coffee so I had to run around and
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Clean up the mess with all of that.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then I want the dog looking at or leave in a stain and in the Relatively new rental that we're in so appreciate everybody all the super chats come in in here Troy Boer Perry West coach Chris twice Rob Buxbaum Ralph Good to see you Ralph hope hope you're doing well.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Ronkillo, of course the bookmeister Denver Luke you guys are all killing it.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you guys become a member I appreciate tailgator coming in here too.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You always feel like the Facebook group, sir, you're probably not.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been active on Facebook in a while either, but like the trash talk groups where it's just like...
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nucle dragging conversations going on.
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not about me.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to come in and have a respectful conversation about the team, then all for it.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is respectful.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to you, until you get it easier to be respectful when you've been as good as the chief said for as long as possible.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes that also breeds the most annoying fans.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just ask college football, powerhouse, fans, and their message boards.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is Broncos for breakfast.
• 57:16
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• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're over at Mile High, Huddle, of course, also at Nick Kendall, MHH, and Eric Trickle.
• 57:23
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• 57:31
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• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate everybody.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we got Oregon, Iowa this week.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that should be a lot of fun.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty annoyed that Iowa's not ranked, but whatever.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Savage Rick, good morning.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a nice week.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go Broncos.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Love the show.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do they only have five likes?
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I see way more than five likes over on the Facebook side of thing.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a coach.
• 57:50
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• 57:53
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• 57:55
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• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or if you're something you're agreed with, I'm here to talk for that way.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can stop bothering Eric as well about Can we trade for this guy in other contract doesn't work?
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care figure it out But the Eric any final thoughts
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, it's going to be interesting.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope that the Broncos, again, make that move for that tight end, anything to upgrade over Adam's Robin.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or at the very least, getting Mercedes Lewis going and ready and have him replace Adam's Robin.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't noticed, I am so done with Adam's Robin.
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So done.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so frustrating to watch him attempt to block.
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: have more there with an ingram as a blocker than you do out-of-trauminated.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been that bad.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you can get better, man.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you can get better.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denver's seven and two, man.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just really appreciative.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Sean Payton.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bonix.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'll talk about the levels of quarterback play that he is at right now, like some people say.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always saw a tweet from somebody saying that if Bonix has a good game, we're going to be in the
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, he's been worth the 12th overall pick.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he is a value on the rookie contract.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to answer anything more than that.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, we got time to answer this stuff.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, and God bless, man.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got some balls of steel in the fourth quarter.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, shout out to him.
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, will he ever become a printable top five guy MVP?
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but the team believes in him and he's given him a chance to win right now.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: this team is as good as they've been in a decade.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm appreciative for that.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to all of them, defense, a Fonga, Alan, killing it.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shout to you, Eric, everybody in the chat.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling good.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've had three cups of coffee now.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Dylan.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I'm feeling in last Wednesday when my wife got sick and hanging out in the background as well.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are great.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great rest of your day.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Choose kind of singing passion.
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Summit, stop looking here.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
• 1:00:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go Broncos.