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Michael Wann | Rosicrucian College Codex, The H.A.L. Crystals and ENIAC The 1st Computer · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

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  [SPEAKER_00]: My family thinks I'm crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Podcasts where I, your host, try to give you some tips on how you can explain all this weird, wild, crazy conspiracy stuff that the people you love most.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what I've been trying to do for the past ten years with no success.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now they don't want to listen.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to hear it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, oh, here we go, Mark.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Off again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing about all I've asked.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: literally grounded in the shores of the oldest water system on earth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of similarity to like maybe magic.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we go one layer deeper with this computer river sort of situation and actually when I rivers not the right word because it also includes the Chesapeake Bay or that estuary.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is where it gets really, in my opinion, exciting and fun.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where it really gets good.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not just an idiot that is on this river, but it's also IBM.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And IBM is the, you know, if you're not familiar with IBM, they were the top tier computer hardware manufacturers for like the nineteen sixties, seventies, maybe eighties, dominating like all the computer sort of stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But definitely beginning with like industrial mainframes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And the internet
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The DARPA net, ARPA net, was literally built with the IBM System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free System-Free
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so like, now we've got this eonyok thing, and it's like, ooh, you know, no, like, what a certain level.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you want to be like, what a hundred percent like solid, you're like, what does that matter?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Have they had to be built somewhere?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And like, this is where this, like, kind of, like, this floaty mist.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, yeah, it doesn't matter.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But now we've got like one more layer of this connection, this mythology with the oldest river in these, like, John D. Rose occlusion archetypes in this modern world.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You just heard today's guest.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is Susquana Alchemist, who joins me, Mystic Mark here on the My Family Thicks and Crazy Podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoy this conversation with my good friend and mentor, Michael Wong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and gentlemen, you know who I am, Mystic Mark here, on the My Family, I think some crazy podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But when today's guest is on the show, it feels a lot like your handbook for the apocalypse, which if you haven't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: which I mean, the timing, everything that's been going on, I felt like it's ripe for a new episode of your handbook for the apocalypse here on the my family.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think some crazy podcasts with none other than the Suss-Quahana Alchemist himself, our good friend, the Gypsy King Michael Juan.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Mark, it is really, really good to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is spontaneous.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He sent me a message just yesterday and the timing of it is
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  [SPEAKER_03]: is so perfect.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's been a lot which has been kind of bubbling up inside where I'm like, okay, I'm ready to return to like being a public face or somewhat public face in a way that I really haven't done for a while because there's a reason.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's like, you know, I have something to share if you will.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I've been sitting with that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been feeling that build inside
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And just the inertia of not doing things has kind of been very heavy in my experience as well.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I don't want to do anything.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I feel good not doing anything, but at the same time, there's this like tension.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, now I'm ready to go and share.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And as I was kind of
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  [SPEAKER_03]: internally dealing with that tug of war, I get this message from you.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, that's a layup.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you literally gave me like the biggest softball.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So to be on here today and to talk about the stuff which we're going to talk about, I'm immensely grateful for your perfect timing as always.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I had no clue, but that's the nature of how this show works.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: People asked recently, how do you book the show mark?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't really answer in a way that was just worded just right, but I feel like you kind of illustrated in that moment how I book the show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Just follow my gut and it happens to work out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, thank you, Mike.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The pleasure is all mine and it's been
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  [SPEAKER_01]: quite a while since we spoke.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm excited for you to tell me more, but I took a look at the latest two videos you've posted on Suss-Kohan Alchemy's YouTube channel linked in the episode description.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to venture a guess that it's connecting whatever's been going on in your mind has connected you back to the sort of main thread, because last time we talked
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, your main thread is everything to do with the Susquanana al-Gabe, sort of research, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But last time we talked, you were very much focused on the Starbucks, focused on grounding consciousness, so something pulled you back into that research, pulled you back into that information, at least on a temporary level, because you're never quite separate from it, but you clearly were in a different phase or a different
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you know area over the past few months or what drew you back into this narrative this this story that connects us to really i think what at this point in time you know with everything going on world war three yada yada
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you're touching on what everybody is thinking about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is how we are no longer living in the past.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the proper technological term for it is, but we've kind of, we're not at the singularity yet, but we're very close to it, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're, I mean, singularity, maybe that's
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  [SPEAKER_01]: total fantasy, but the notion that we're more transhuman than we are human.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people are already sort of waking up to it and maybe even thinking, oh, it's too late.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So just my little presupposition for what I think is going on, but you tell me what what
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In Sparta.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That was, that was a, you gave me a lot of places to go with responding to that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so there are two places I want to go.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: One is specifically as it relates to like the inspiration to make a video about the Suscohanna River again.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, but that'll be the second one.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And what I first would respond to was, you pointed out this juxtaposition in the different sort of avenues in which I, which I talk, one being natural astrology, the other being what I'm calling the Susquanacodax.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're actually, they're intimately related.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's, it's, it's ground in sky.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And they are complimentary.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a third piece, something which, you know, I don't think that we necessarily name in our conversations.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But we talk about a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's just really understanding the inner world.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what it actually means to be human.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like all of this sort of shit.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're just like going around and whatever this realm is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But like no one really tells us like what's happening inside and all that sort of stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a mystery.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's the basis of all inner work.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the three areas, which they feel triangulated in terms of the research or the perspectives which I share.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is connecting to natural time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the natural astrology.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Reestablishing an understanding of Earth and Myth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the Susquehanna Codex.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the third is that inner world stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And through the
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the mixture, the weaving of the mall, what's happening is the natural time and the grounding to earth really stretches consciousness outside of paradigm.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's the purpose of it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the purpose of stretching one's consciousness outside of the definition of how reality is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And when you do that, and you do it in a very grounded way, in a way which is not like
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  [SPEAKER_03]: in things which you can experience and understand with your rational mind.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's not to say there's not more, but that's where you begin.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not doing it with any sort of fantasy, with any sort of woo, but you're holding the mystery, you create space.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You create space and consciousness.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And what happens is you're going to be outside of the paradigm, or at least part of you will be outside of the paradigm.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the definition of what happens.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you do that without doing like the, you know, we can call the paradigm the false reality.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If you do that without also addressing the false self, this paradigm creates an everyone who is born into it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: and arguably every paradigm would create this as well, but it's a false self.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's all inner world stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a lot of the traditional inner work, shadow work, that's what I'm talking about.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But doing it in the context of eliminating the false self, which is also pointing to becoming more authentic,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: and discovering what being more authentic means.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Coupled with the stepping consciousness outside of paradigm, you create the space for something new to render.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when they talk about like jumping timelines, like that's not exactly how it works.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like this realm, whatever this realm is, it is it renders around each of us.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a rendering, a rendering experience, and we are participating through this inner world outer world loop.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: When we collapse, all of those different things of paradigm, or at least makes room.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not necessarily collapsing, or we're making room by stepping outside of it, and we've made room in our self, that is when something new presents itself.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: For me, the past forty lunations, so that's a little bit over three years, has been the experience of kind of
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  [SPEAKER_03]: polishing that, these kinds of things that had been bubbling up within me, which I've been aware of and sharing, they become crystallized or crystalline within me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so my return, if you will, is like, I went out in the wilderness, I tested all this stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then this is what, this is what I've learned.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not to say this is the ultimate truth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying, based upon what I've learned or what I've experienced, these are the conclusions.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I have come back with.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And when I'm coming back with is more or less like an invitation.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: At the very least, it is to inspire within anyone who hears this and who resonates with this is like the how to create that new reality.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're talking about like apocalypse.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this place is changing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This place is changing right now.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If you are not disconnected from what the old way was, you're just going to change into that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So how do you change into something new?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is one particular model.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I'm coming back to share is like, what does that look like in concrete terms?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, that sounds great, but like, what does that look like?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll pause for a moment now, give you an opportunity to comment or question or anything like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned in the videos I referenced your two latest, and there is a third one on the way, part three, that we are all currently in a relational state with the internet where what you're looking at, what I'm looking at, what the listeners of the audience are looking at on an individual level is being rendered for them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This rendering process.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is something that you have redefined for me throughout several different conversations that we've had.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I feel like, oh, geez, Mark, like, when are you ever going to put Mike's advice to practice?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But as you're saying that, you know, I do reflect on the past year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you could see it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a changed person.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a different person.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I look different.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I might even sound different.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a sore throat last week, and now I'll have said my voice is deeper.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So things are changing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I look like one of the great privileges of knowing you is being tested in that way, because unlike
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  [SPEAKER_01]: a listener of yours who's just sort of anonymously engaging with your content, I actually have to reflect and say to myself like, oh well, am I actually applying what I'm learning from Mike because he's going to catch wind if if I don't and it is it is something that I think about because I respect what you teach and I think it's it's something that
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  [SPEAKER_01]: access an antidote in this hyper-stimulated, over-sensitized social media world.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You are
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  [SPEAKER_01]: ground in consciousness course, but just that plus all the other things you talk about, because as you just pointed out, it's interconnected.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There is no harcing them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not separate.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're connected.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, I get a little lost in some of the astrology stuff, but the conspiracy thread, I understand, and that's where I think you and I really meet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: topic.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm with you a hundred percent on that and I think part of what we're talking about today is that re-rendering or clarifying that rendering.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we can start to have agency over our own self-rendering and not be rendered by these algorithmic forces that are becoming more and more ubiquitous in our lives.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, you just, you just, you throw out a, uh, throw out a buffet of where we can go with this.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The first thing I want to say is when I said to inspire, when I said a little while ago, I was like, what I'd like to do is inspire.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What that means is like, like, like, as a candle lighting another candle and someone else, if you will.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then that person has their own experience.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like, okay, let me go.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is my checklist.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: These are my to-do items.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is how I practice so I can start rendering reality.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no, now it's in your, now it's in your field.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's in your mind.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's touched you one way or the other.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it starts and it meets you.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: it meets you where you are so you're like oh I'm not you know rendering in my practicing what I'm preaching well you said in the very beginning I don't know if it was before we started recording or not but you're talking about the way which you you you book guests on your show and you do it spontaneously like that's rendering reality like we're always doing it like that's the nature of the reality is like what you're experiencing you are rendering
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a mystery.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know what this place is, and this is like a model to explain it, but life meets what you're holding.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And as you become more aware of the process and you become more aware of like, oh, I'm doing this all the time, well, then it's a feedback loop of it becoming more and more evident and maybe really learning the, if you will, the skill of it so that you will be able to practice that agency or sovereignty.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the practice is like meeting it, not necessarily like learning it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I didn't really follow the astrology stuff and like that's fine.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the intention behind it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's part of how this reality works.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's one of the reasons why
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever the system is, whatever the system like, whether we call it Rome or the British Empire, you want to go further back like this, hierarchial system based upon weird symbols and all this sort of stuff which really hasn't changed.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't changed because the populations hold it in place, but they got no friggin' idea they're holding it in place.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And even now, even now in the culture which we're in,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: of people becoming more aware of what's going on than ever before, like in the seventies, not like people didn't really think the way the common person thinks about it conspiracy nowadays, even with the knowledge, even with the knowledge which we have, of maybe how the system or the paradigm works in the shadows, we're still holding it, or there is a critical mass holding it in place, having no idea that they're holding it in place.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: in the same way as individuals.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You could spend your whole life trying to do self-awareness and you're going to keep on realizing that you're holding certain patterns in your belief systems that you don't even realize you're holding.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: When you become softer to that idea, it begins to change.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It just naturally does, because you're observing it, and this is an observer created reality.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where was it going to go with that?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's always happening.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this was the other part.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So in the video, I talked about the internet.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're using the internet right now.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a big part of, that's a big part of, I think this
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The perspective which I desire to share is this relationship we're having right now with technology.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know within myself it's been kind of like twisty and curved and curvy in terms of like how I felt about technology.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: good or bad, avoided, scared of it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like a brace at all these different sort of things.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And without getting too much deeper into that right now is like that's part of this as well.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so okay, so going back to like the internet, the internet's a perfect example.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The internet is a reflection of how reality works.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the internet is an externalization of how rendering like happens in real time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when you go on Facebook, like it renders your, it renders a page for you, which is unique for you, which is different than your friends.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Chat GPT interacts with you in a unique way based upon like this feedback loop.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a condensed version of a universal truth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And the universal truth is it renders just like that, but we don't see it as clearly.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so as we become more aware that we begin to
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We begin to be able to move, ultimately, for me, what I think all of this is about is becoming human again, maybe not even again, like becoming human in this technological era, because all of the pool is to try to get you away from the humanists.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll without answering it right now that should beg the question, what the hell do you mean by being human?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And there has to be an answer for that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe we'll go into that for a little bit, but I'll pause for a moment, give you an opportunity.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and, you know, one of the really great dynamics between us and our conversations is the fact that, you know, I am young enough to potentially be your son, but, you know, or you're maybe the more polite way to say it is you're old enough to be my father, but you're not old at all.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I look at you, you don't see mold at all.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a sort of
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Young old dynamic, but you're still very youthful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like growing up in a world where the internet was already available to me, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Computers were not quite, you know, in the home, but my mom had a job where she was working online.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So computers were sort of in my world growing up.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know a world without them, but I can envision a future without them.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the younger generation, that's harder and harder for them, right?
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I had a lot of influences that showed me a world before computers showed me the possibilities of what we can do with our own minds.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I wonder,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: when children are using chat GPT to get the answers for their tests.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I was a kid, they would say Googling things and plagiarizing from Wikipedia was cheating.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't just copy from the internet and plagiarize like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But there was a still a sense of learning in that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to plagiarize in that way, you would still have to regurgitate.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I always kind of thought it was funny because it's like, well, you guys are just telling us to regurgitate from this source rather than this source.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: but now it shifted where chatgbt is doing that thinking for you and I mean I don't use it that often at least in the past few months I was using it during the winter a little more frequently but
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it's anything like it was a few months ago, which I'm sure it's improved, it's still garbage.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not giving you anything factual.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The audience already knows that, but in a sense, it's curating a perspective for you based on a the authority, what the authority wants you to know.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And based on these little triggers that it knows about you, based on things that you've triggered in your algorithm.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no basis of truth or standard of truth.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not based, but kids are not learning about it that way.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're learning about it as, oh, you need an answer to something.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go to chat, GPT.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like just in that difference is that's huge.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just like the difference between your school where you had mostly, you know, I don't know if you guys had some sort of ancient computer when you were in school, but I imagine it was more, you know, analog than my schooling was, right?
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: My schooling was a little more digital than yours was.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas nowadays the kids are fully digital.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like fully immersed in the digital.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So just in the the the fifty or sixty years that you know has gone by since the original computer was was created any act and we've seen a huge split in what each generation knows or has interacted with for this technology so another buffet for you Mike but
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's run with that for a little bit.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So one, you're so spot on as it relates to just talking in generational terms, so maybe not so much the individual, but it's going to hold most likely true for the individual.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: whatever technology was present and like just ubiquitous at that time, like your first seven years of life, your consciousness, regardless if you used it, regardless if it was in your home, like the collective consciousness at that time is formulated around that technology.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not either a good thing or a bad thing.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a thing.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's certain qualities that each of these generations can bring in.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the people who remember a time or who were born in a time before there is even computers in the home, people who are alive in the seventies,
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're holding on to a certain frequency which didn't exist when other people were born.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Likewise, they're probably not going to have as much of a familiarity and a linkage with the technology.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying that's a good thing to be linked with technology, but the generations that are born into like more and more advanced technology, they're more and more integrated.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whether we describe that in consciousness or just as you described it in real-world indoctrination, which is, you got a question to ask like, ask in our chat GPT.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you recognize that.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what that provides is discernment.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: People use judgment.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not being judging, like fuck judging.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: What you want is to bring discernment, look at something, be able to understand all of the qualities associated with it, and then how do you interact with it?
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that the technology is a big thing.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then before we go on with that, I want to add this in.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was very, very precise with my language when I said, becoming human,
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Being a human being, discovering being human in the technological era.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so by using this term, era, there is an implication as like there's a beginning and an end.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a beginning of an an an end.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so within the paradigm, it's primarily presented that the singularity is a, is the destination where we're going.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is all rogely to singularity.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe not, but what we definitely are witnessing is just like what you're saying.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it is becoming more and more and more technologically integrated between the human being, the human, or, yeah, this form and the technological world.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a price that's being paid, which is the humaneness, being authentic, being real, being creative.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're not given another story.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I want to, there's another story.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's countless other stories.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this realm, part of how it works is we're led by stories.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: We moved to something.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got another story as it relates to technology.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it makes total perfect sense to me, like understanding all of the things we've been talking about, like understanding that reality, experience, reality.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that goes without explaining what this place is.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what this place is.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's a story.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I know I'm here and I'm experiencing life in this body, wherever here is, whatever body is.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: In this story, the human, the remembrance of being human during this technological era is a return, like you cannot be human in the paradigm.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like by definition, what you are in the paradigm is a human resource.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your job is to hold the paradigm in place, and you hold it in place in ways you would never friggin' imagine.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, it has nothing to do with all of the big picture stuff.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the tiny little frigging details that holds the whole thing in place.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So as more people, or maybe just an individual, I don't know how it works, but I think that there's a collective process as we're moving through this technological era.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there is a return to being human, which happens through attuning to time, outside of false time, to natural time of the realm, to becoming re-grounded in consciousness in a different way to the earth, and then also being able to know how to operate within oneself and not operate from the false self.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to create a new reality.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we've all been indoctrinated by the technology.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all in it.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the story which I see happening is the most ridiculous example of like the technological age, like the sickest, most unhealthy way of like some child who's going to be so like long-doubt of reality and things like is and is unable to differentiate between going outside and wearing like, you know, VR goggles or like playing with their iPad.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: and they're going to go out and they're going to put their finger and they're going to move a tray.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Something like that's going to happen because they literally believe they are literally rendering a reality like this is how the world works.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to they believe so wholeheartedly the reason why I can't move a tree with my finger yet or you can't is because there's a part of you which is one hundred percent certain that you can't do it.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: never seen done like that's fantasy stuff and so I know that that's not true.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I can't do that as much as I can philosophically recognize that that should be possible.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's going to be some zoned out five year old, five hundred pound kid who's going to go out there like filled with vaccines and he's going to move his finger and the entire reality is going to move with it because they believe in their being that this is how it works.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And those other people are going to be like, what the fuck?
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck is this place?
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it begins like, because you've opened the space, because there is space outside of the paradigm where like, there can be a shift.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: There can be a rendering.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that does not compute.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm experiencing something that should not be happening, but it's happening.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the four minute mile.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: No one can run faster than the four minute mile.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is an impossibility.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then someone ran faster than the four minute mile and then every motherfucker is running like, three, fifty, eights.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: like that's how the reality works.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's easy to look backwards and time will be like, well, yeah, that's just rubbing.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not gonna move a tree with your finger.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, well, you've already collapsed that for yourself, haven't you?
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's where you gotta get that, that kids do it.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, so where does this go?
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where does this go?
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when that event happens or some other like black swan event like that happens.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there is a release intention in the inner world.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we realize that this really is different than what we have been conditioned to understand reality.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: People are going to begin to render the reality a long ways which may be more human.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what they're going to do is all of the things which technology taught them.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to begin to maybe say, well, maybe I don't need to go and have a six hundred dollar phone to have the things that you told me I need to live.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: The reality, the experience where reality could be so different that the silliness of paradigm collapses because people don't need that and they've already been conditioned to realize that I can go on to this false thing called the internet and I can gain access to all information.
• 35:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like YouTube right now you could go and watch a video and you can do work, plumbing work when you're sick.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that really didn't exist in the seventies.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I did not know much about the sinks and there was something wrong with my sink, I had to call someone up and I had to pay him.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like theoretically now I could go on YouTube and see like how do I do this?
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I could watch a few videos and I could be guided through.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's a good thing.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that information will carry on to another realm.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That truth is like, hey, like everything which I think I need to do, I should be able to gain access for.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And all of the greater lessons, like the more fundamental lessons of what technology is given us, like I can connect with people.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can gather information.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a lot of really big human growth that has been fostered on the backbone of technology.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to keep that.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to keep that and we're just going to like, it doesn't make sense to go and create hardware anymore.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we are able to have a reality where we are living within the primordial hardware, working with like the natural world and still gaining all of the things
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: all of the benefits which we have had throughout the internet.
• 36:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: What that looks like?
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like what did they think in like, in the nineteen twenty that like the nineteen seventies would look like like it they didn't know they were on that path but the same thing would be true for us were a potentiality to move into a different reality and with the willingness to have no priest conceived notions of what that reality could actually show itself to be.
• 36:50
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• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: What that brings me to a question I I had for you
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: right in the in the midpoint of your first part of the latest video series that you put out and it comes up in something you just said this idea that
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's an objectivity to the rendering.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're all individuals living a subjective or unique experience, but in the sort of miasma of
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: obscurity that is comprising that whole, like just the same way, only one of my skin cells really doesn't make a difference on the large scheme of my body as an organism, but without it, and all the other little microorganisms might be some issues.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious when it comes to something like John D and Francis Bacon and the work they did to connect with what they considered an angelic language.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: How inevitable was that?
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, scratching into that glass and seeing into that other world, you know, how inevitable was it that that process would would lead to this experience you and I are having right now computers, the internet, right?
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is there an objectivity to this?
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, predestiny, I guess is really the question, you know?
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that great questions, certainly outside of my pig rate.
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I might have opinions of what I think it is, but when I say, like, I don't know what this place is.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know, like all of that sort of stuff.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just know that I'm here.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if I pay enough, freaking attention, like I can start to see things.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then this is where this realm gets really.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: When you go down this path,
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you go down this path.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what I would characterize really my path and even more specifically these last forty lunatians, these last forty lunar cycles, was what they might call like, you know, going into the wilderness.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where you're really going to find like what you're made of and what it's made of.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've come back and I can say, and I'm precise with my language with this is like, I can be able to describe all of the things that I'm aware of that was happening in my conscious thought that I know I'm aware of thinking.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so that includes research I've done on John D. I don't know if John D's real.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I know that there is information out there that I can research.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying John D's not real.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying, I don't know.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what I do know for certain is there's a ton of stuff all about him and all these stories of our modern world go through that.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So to me, I think it's almost like you can get into this, where people could get lost in the wilderness is their stuck chasing their tails.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, well, is John D. Reeler?
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is he not real?
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is he real?
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did they just make up the story?
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they just asked for a turf debt?
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or is he really the person?
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And am I living in his dream?
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I need a worship job?
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Damn.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's a real thing.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've described the same phenomenon in the past with you as the James Shelby downward spiral.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, when you're like kind of like caught in it,
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: But when you can kind of say, like, it really doesn't fucking matter.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: The moment it matters, well, then I'm going to look at it again.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But right now, all I can say for certain is, is I looked at this stuff and then I looked at other things and then they just appeared and they were very John DS.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what I could say is like, there's somehow correlation.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: The question I have is like, is that predestined?
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like was I am I designed to to to see this or did I have that in my consciousness and then it came manifest because it's rendering.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, that question to me becomes potentially is this like dog chasing its tail because there's not an answer.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you choose, if I choose to come to a conclusion, and so like, okay, this is what I think it is, within reality it's going to start rendering I suppose around that.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I personally try to hold as long as I can, like, if I don't need to make a conclusion, I won't.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So going back to the videos, so going back to the videos.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: My previous historical precedent for making videos is one hour long format, data, the story telling.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a lot for a lot of people.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like most people can't who do watch them.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're unable to watch it straight.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They might need to like break it up in a couple different pieces.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so this was a way of looking at and reintroducing information, which I've presented in the past, and maybe a more bite-sized way, but then also more as an invitation.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to necessarily go to a conclusion, but I want to invite you in to like, there's something going on here, friends.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the long and the short of it is there are like five points.
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: five data points which are theoretically verifiable.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: One is this John Smith map of Virginia and this reverse forty and like the images on that and then that's verifiable and then there's like an assumption or there's a hypothesis that there is a secret location embedded in that and then the
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: the hypothesis is tested when you go and look at that location in reality and you see that there is this perfect alignment of colleges spread seventy miles apart which you can verify only on Google Earth.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I didn't have Google Earth is no way to like verify like this alignment really only exists in Google Earth.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I didn't have that, but I didn't have like whatever satellite image is like I wouldn't be able to like make these perfect alignments.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what this realm is.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this is fear, flatter, like, undulating, and maybe the way the Google Earth, like kind of throws it off, the line, the alignments, but it doesn't matter.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: When the level of reality of Google Earth, there's this perfect alignment of four colleges in across
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: which really do align with like secret societies by name and it ties into this map which ties in the same the same secret societies and all of this begins to build.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And none of it really is one hundred percent concrete, but it's concrete enough.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you overlap on top of that, like verifiable mystery, this cross, this seemingly invisible college of the rose accrucians, which has been all throughout the books.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: They told us the rose accrucians wrote three hundred years ago.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We see it here rendered in Google.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we see it over, like not only in a location, I mean, this is part of Mike's journey, not only in a location, which I had been talking about, which I found myself living there.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I don't know if anyone else ever seen that before.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Am I rendering this?
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's on top of the oldest river, at least what the system tells us is the oldest river.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it overlaps the first computer, Emiak, which has a phonetic to the type of magic, a phonetic link.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like the type of magic, which is associated with John D, which may or may not exist outside of the imaginations of someone else who's just making up stories.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The point of all of this, the point of like leaning into like this code acts for this mystery.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's an invitation.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there isn't an answer?
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: There isn't an answer.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you decide that you need to come up with an answer, well, then like you're you're like you're cementing, but it's very you're cementing on like what you want reality to render around.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if you can begin to
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: kind of move into it and you move into it by either learning or hearing more of the stories associated with this river or actually doing something embodied, which is like, hey, maybe I'll go check out some of these places and just like have experiences like you begin to change your relationship with how we're told all of this works and there's not a solid answer.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So many of our alternative histories right now are based upon stuff you never can know for certain.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you either have to decide I'm gonna believe it or not.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what I'm suggesting is like there's nothing to believe.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing to like subscribe to.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's more so like can you hear the whisper and does it inspire something within you?
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this video goes very, very deep in that vein, but really linked in with technology.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not technology necessarily in a scary way, as much as it is like technology is imbued in this land in myth and in reality.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like, what are we floating on?
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: What are we doing?
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's rhetorical.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not answering it.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like posing that question and inspiring that question and other people.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So something new has the space to present itself.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: First in consciousness and then in reality.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that sword in the stone.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I see when I see this map laid out, but
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting when it comes to your point about the alignments.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is a way to measure this stuff out.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anytime you do that, you're using a map, which then becomes, you know, this artificial thing that isn't baseline reality.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a tricky thing to wrap your head around, you know, someone might be predisposed to question that logic and say, oh, well, but we do have a way to map that before Google Earth.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still, it's being rendered and there's a sort of agreement that's being made.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that these alignments exist is in a sense arbitrary or artificial, but what do those terms really mean?
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: What does that?
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the softening.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the softening.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to question the assumptions that I'm holding.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: not necessarily needing to answer it, but I'm beginning to look at this, and that's the process.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The indoctrination of how the false self works in order to hold paradigm in place is to go with this laser focus and to know.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's something in that middle ground, not to reject it completely, not to accept it completely, but just kind of to be able to hold it.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see two things as it relates to the maps.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is what, this is in a concrete example of saying, like, there's no way to verify it.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go and I look
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go and I look on on Google Earth the other day.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this may be two months ago.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm looking at the finger lakes.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm wide enough that I can see the finger lakes on Google Earth and I can see where the Chesapeake Bay is.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you're familiar with Peter Shampoo's work on Gaia Matrix, and how significant the finger lakes are in his work.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's one particular finger lake where all of his stuff originates from his, from what he shares in Gaia Matrix.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the top of Lake Seneca.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I noticed that like, it's kind of like at an angle.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I looked down at the Chesapeake Bay.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Chesapeake Bay looks like it's when the same line on the same angle.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just Google Earth.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I take my little line on Google Earth.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, no, this is why I did.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I took a screenshot of it and I put it on like some other like platform I have.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I use technology.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I like kind of draw a line from the middle of the top of Lake Senacat to the middle of the bottom of Lake Senacat.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I extended it all the way down to the center of the Chesapeake Bay.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that line was just perfect.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the Chesapeake Bay and Lake Seneca are in perfect, friggin alignment.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The same weird angle they line up perfectly.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, go.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: What does that mean?
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I don't know when I'm not answering it.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm recognizing at least my sense is like, okay, there's there there.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this can only be verified when Google Earth.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I literally had like a string, that was six hundred miles long.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and I had one person standing at the top of like Seneca.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, all right, I'm gonna take my end.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna run all the way down to the Chesapeake Bay.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're gonna, we're gonna see if this is real.
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think that can happen.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it doesn't have to, but that's what I mean.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's not verifiable.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to like, meet it in this, like, well, this is what I got.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got Google Earth.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a technology-based world right now, and I'm going to work with that.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's one map.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: The other map is I know that this is a realm which is works through resonance.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: This, like this, you can learn how this world works.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the paradigm is held in place because it's based upon principles that work in this realm.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is like this inner world outer world link.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the more similar some of the two things are, the stronger the link is.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is like the notion of what's called sympathetic magic.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's silly to even name it.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the way this realm works.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that being said, like, I make maps.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I draw maps.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I use this map as like, well, it's at least a symbol of whatever the reality is.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a way for me to interact with it through the creativity of my own hands.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I sowed a map together.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a way for me, which I have experienced it to be true, that, yeah, you could work, just because it's false reality doesn't mean that you can't use it.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the map which I'm talking about.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the Susquehander River.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I made this by hand.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a pretty good replica.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I made it by hand very, very specifically, like with with all of the key places, both like like the the Peter's shampoo, lay lines, and then like the lines of of like the fortieth parallel, all these different things that are out there.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is my sympathetic magic.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I get stones from the places that are on the map.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I put the map in the right direction, like east, like so that it's facing the same direction.
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just, and I just kind of like sit there with it.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know what's going on.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to define it, but I know that I am connecting with this in a deeper way.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: For the past forty months, that's how I survived.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a secret of my success.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like working at that level and I had experiences which were outside of paradigm norms.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: According to the paradigm norms, I should have spent the last forty lunations living when people's couches, homeless shelters or bus stations.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm a dude without a permanent address.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a dude without a permanent job without steady income.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a dude who like never had more than a couple hundred dollars to his name for forty months.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I live like a king.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: like by just the way reality met like real people like offering me things opportunities following my lap.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I should have been in a bus stop according to the paradigm.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: because there's room outside of the paradigm, like you don't, your life experiences outside of that realm.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just using that as an example, like that's just, it met me for what I was in alignment with and desire it, like as the Gypsy King, how else would the Gypsy King live?
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it was very difficult, like there was an easy experience, but the point
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: When I was saying in the beginning of the show of I've had these experiences, this is what I have learned being out in the wilderness and I'm here to share it.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm here to share it as an invitation, an invitation for it to meet you in a way if you're so inspired to begin to see how reality renders around you.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: and how you can do it outside of paradigm norms and what it looks like.
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I meant by that earlier statement of in our conversation.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So many thoughts inspiring that you've inspired.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's inspiring to talk to you, Mike.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are unrelated to our conversation.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I took note of them and I'll mention them to you after we're done recording.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But something that came to mind when you were talking about maps.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering if this
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: is something that we can dismiss maybe we can because it's just the nature of of this agreed upon reality or maybe there's something to this but it's something called continental drip have you ever heard of this DRP yeah continental drip I know continental drift but I don't think I know continental drip
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So picture in your mind, the world's seven continents.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what we've agreed is the southern end of these continents.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: If there's an ocean there, all have the same shape, like a drip, like a almost like a tear drop.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've all
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Formed whether you're looking at South America, the bottom of Africa, subcontinent of India, even Australia has its own little... Okay, right.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it comes to the point.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and scientists have seen this in all these different places, even on a smaller scale, all across Asia.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anytime you have a southern coast like that, it forms this geological or geographical shape over time.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, what does that say about where we live, the reality, the forces that play, either way, it kind of to me backs up this idea that you're talking about, this like resonance idea that there's a sort of common baseline, but even though there's a whole spectrum of uniqueness, they all conform to this baseline that we can recognize.
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in this example is the baseline that the continents form this drip-like shape.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and why that is who knows, again, to your point, like we don't always have the answers to these things, and we might not always know why something leans to the left or leans to the right, but there's some sort of baseline that it's conforming to that causes that.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be seen in this kind of, I don't know, when you observe it over enough times, you sort of see a pattern, I guess, is what I'm trying to do.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I think that's like a, that's a fun question.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we can play around with that in different ways.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that, I mean, my approach is it's the,
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the playing around with it.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: What I mean by playing is there is a lack of seriousness or there's a softening of the seriousness.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your inquiry is like you take it serious.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really going to be paying attention.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to use my brain or my mind in a serious way.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Typically, we've been conditioned to be serious and like, well, I'm going to go and figure out the right answer.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so when it's more playful, you're like, well, maybe there isn't necessarily a right answer, but let me go and lean into this.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So for me personally, in this area of inquiry, like I begin with like the discernment of like, why does this matter to me?
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very kind of focused in terms of my experience in body being important to the things that are important to me.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so if it's not my monkey, not my circus.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that typically, but my monkey in my circus was the Chesapeake Bay and the, and like Seneca, like that's interesting to me.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not saying like there's not something significant, but like being able to, for me, is to be able to hold my focus and like, well, where is my direction?
• 1:03:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where have I set my sale of my, my, my laser focus of what I'm circulating with in terms of what I'm rendering reality.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: with.
• 1:03:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So initially, that would be for me as a goal.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really play a part in my experience until the moment it does.
• 1:03:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when that happens, what then I would go and like lean into that is as much as
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: required.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's how I was with the Dominican Republic or has been your last year.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like two years ago, I'm like, I don't care.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what does that matter to me?
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then suddenly life brought me there and like, well, why am I here?
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like when you let life kind of like lead you.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: as opposed to like this, I'm the South Square animistic, what's this guy doing in South Square?
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, you know, I got my blinder.
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a dance.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's just a general approach.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a lot of questions as it relates to like, what is this place?
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as I begin to think like that map is like either like an accurate map.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's because we're on a flatter, or a spherical earth, or a rendered earth, like
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't answer any of those questions, but I know that there's a lot of blind spots there.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I don't know if I wouldn't even build up on something like that.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But undoubtedly, undoubtedly, those points are worth, like when you recognize, if you leave any individual who leaves into that and what I mean by that is they have a curiosity and they start to study it.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And whatever they bring to that,
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, their reality will somehow or another render that way, whether it's as extreme as finding an invisible college or not, I don't know.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that's my take on like that part of like mapping and what they call Earth.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and again, the drip example is just to give you something to sort of philosophically pull out what you really mean without it being to attach to the original idea, which I think is very potent.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This invisible college of rose accursions, which
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a little enamored by your latest two videos.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think your new approach is really good.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The music was compelling, the way you narrated it was compelling.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You almost had me fooled that it was all new information.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm sort of realizing heights, a re-summerizing of a lot of these older threads that my calves on this channel and I am glad you're digging back into that because it is such a rich
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: body of work.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so there is one piece of newness.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one piece of newness in it.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I did have a question about that.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is it something connected to Edgar Casey?
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I talked about this, but you talked about Edward Edgar Casey in some of the history of the video.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I reintroduced it in this.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: What I think was new or what I was calling was new had to do with IBM.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we lean into what I call the Susquehanna Codex.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So used to call it the Susquehanna Mystery.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: The difference in that terminology is probably more so for me than anything else.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: But when I would hold the energy of sharing the Susquehanna Mystery to someone.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I was one stage, or if I was one show like this, or even just talking to someone one on one,
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would undoubtedly find myself in an internal courtroom where I am a lawyer and let me present the facts and show you and prove my case why this is significant.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the energy inside.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me go show you.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is not deniable.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Try to poke holes in this.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Show me where those holes are.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: What it became the Suspohanna Codex is when it stopped being a trial, it stopped being a courtroom, if you will, and like moved into the temple, moved into a sacred space, moved into like the whatever you want to call that altar of like mystery.
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's nothing to prove.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've used the word invitation.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's much more of like, this is not going to speak to you or not.
• 1:08:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if it does, this is going to speak deeply.
• 1:08:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so the Susqua Hannah Codex, and that is shown in the flavor of what you saw in those videos.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little bit more kind of like mysterious, a little bit more open-ended, but it's the same stuff with the exception of
• 1:08:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: the IBM connection.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was in the second video.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, so going back to this Susquanacodax integral intimately related to it is this idea of the first computer literally grounded on the shores of the oldest water system on earth.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of similarity to maybe magic.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we go one layer deeper with this computer river sort of situation.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And actually, when a river is not the right word, because it also includes the Chesapeake Bay or that eschewary.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is where it gets really, in my opinion, exciting and fun.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where it really gets good.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not just any doc that is on this river, but it's also IBM.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And IBM is the, you know, if you're not familiar with IBM, they were the top tier computer hardware manufacturers for like the nineteen sixties, seventies, maybe eighties, dominating like all the computer sort of stuff, but definitely beginning with like industrial mainframes.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the internet,
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: The DARPA net, ARPA net, was literally built with the IBM system, three-sixty.
• 1:10:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the name of the mainframe.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was called system, three-sixty.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And system, three-sixty, was literally like manufactured right in endocott New York.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they were building the hardware which created the internet also on this river, right?
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so like now we've got this eonyok thing, and it's like, ooh, you know, like, on a certain level, like if you want to be like, one hundred percent like solid, you be like, oh, why does that matter?
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they had to be built somewhere.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like this is where this, like, kind of like this floaty mist, you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But now we've got like one more layer of this connection, this mythology with the oldest river in these like John D. Rosa Cruzian archetypes in this modern world.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And three sixty is the number.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is the number of the system which rules this realm.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Three hundred sixty degrees in a circle.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is a significant number in our realm in the building of the paradigm.
• 1:11:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and if you were to drop in Google Earth, this is where it gets so friggin nuts.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you drop a line like
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: do south like directly do south from the from the headquarters or the manufacturing location of this system three sixty and you drop a lot and you can do the stuff like real easily with google earth to give us these tools to render reality and you drop it exactly three hundred sixty miles
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It lands right on Edgar Casey's, like association of research and enlightenment.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what it's called.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like his organization, right in Virginia Beach, right at the mouth of the Suscohanna River.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's Virginia Beach is there.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the Chesapeake Bay.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Edgar Casey, like he talked about this, he predicted this blue stone.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And IBM's big blue and three, sixty.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Edgar Casey was really a theosophist.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you listen to what he spoke about,
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: and his rivers is ruled by the theosophical organization because of all the baseball stuff and you start to have this loop and then he predicted the stone and the stone is like points to to layer more in the in the Dominican Republic and this huge story like begins to unfold and this story is like just blowing a bubble
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's no real weight to it.
• 1:12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there is weight, like yeah, this is like, three hundred sixty miles south, like in Edgar Casey did say this and big blue is IBM and he talked about the bluestone.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like all of that's real.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where does it connect?
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: How does it connect?
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I'm like something's being formed.
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so like there's like an energy tension.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So then now we're going to go and like weave this into it.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what the hell is nine eleven, right?
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell is that?
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we know it was a thing and we know the world changed on nine eleven and when nine eleven gets really weird is in the story the conspiratorial story of nine eleven is once the three towers fell
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: in the backdrop was the hilton millennial temple or tower, the hilton millennial hotel tower, which is almost an exact image of the two thousand and one space Odyssey monolith.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's like been in conspiracy talks since like two thousand and seven.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's like a
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: what's going on in Arthur C. Clark and Stanley Kubrick in the monolith and like that's a real question like what the hell is going on with that in Michael Hoffman has that monolith on his psychological warfare book like there's some things that are like what is this and the reason why I'm bringing that up and this is where all loops back in this is where it all loops back in is
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: In that whatever, two thousand one space Odyssey movie which ties to September eleven, two thousand one through that hotel and all this sort of stuff in the world changed, they introduced to us into the collective mind, the idea.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: of AI, like of chat GPT, like they have in this nineteen sixty eight movie, a human being in outer space talking to a computer, which is remarkably similar if chat GPT met like Amazon's what's her name, Alexa, like that's what it was, they showed us that and that was called HAL.
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it's been long understood, or at least a thought that how is an anagram, or a word play, maybe not an anagram, like a word play, a crypto word play of IBM, whereas the letter before H is I, the letter before A, or maybe it's after the letter after A is B, and the letter after L is M. This has been around for a while, like how an IBM had been connected.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So now we go and we loop back into this like IBM and let's own the river and like this is like a friggin balloon.
• 1:15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is like you know you're blowing it and you're blowing it and you're putting more and more air into it.
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm doing like pointing out this like this this codex this mystery and there's a part of us which is like this is exciting.
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: What does this go?
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: What does this mean?
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this give me all the answers and before you go there, that's where you get into this like I'm chasing the tail.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because you're never going to know, we don't know what this place is.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: What we can do is we look at the same geographical area, an actual baseline reality, which links in all of these same sort of imagery archetypes, and it shows itself in the geology.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what I mean by that, there are three stones found in the location of this whole sort of tale, which I just told you, which are found nowhere else one earth.
• 1:16:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the Herkamer Diamond found in Herkamer, New York, which is a water clear, naturally double terminated quartz crystal of unbelievable pristine expression.
• 1:16:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: There is anthracite, which is found underneath the the Appalachians, where the Susquehanna goes through underneath Scranton, Pennsylvania, and anthracite, ninety-nine percent of the world's anthracite is found there.
• 1:17:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the third stone is that blue stone, which
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Seemingly Edgar Casey, whatever he is, I think it's like a, it's not the story we're told, but he talked about a third stone called Laira Mar, and when he got herkamer, anthracite, and Laira Mar, and we see how it's all tied into it, it freaking spells how.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what I got right here in this little leather bag is I've got a piece of ampercyte.
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a piece of, I've got a herkamer diamond and I've got the blue Laira Mar stone.
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've physically been to all three of their minds.
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like my body has been in the ampercyte mine in the lack of, the lack of water mine in Sprint.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been to the Laira Mar mine in Dominican Republic and I've been to the, to the Herkamer mines where you can go and mine the Herkamer's.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got this in my physical body, whatever the hell that means, and I put it all the map in the place they're supposed to go, and I'm like, cow guy, I'm taking me away.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: that's an old tagline from the commercial in the eighties.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like this is what the code access.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you can't explain it, but you can meet it in a way which is like fun and mysterious and you know what you're doing and you're not believing your own bullshit and you're like still holding the mystery.
• 1:18:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not trying to solve anything.
• 1:18:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're just trying to be and creative
• 1:18:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like that to me is what all of this is about is like not to do what I'm doing, but maybe to be inspired to do it.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't, we talked about this years ago with like the creation of the scene.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's what that is.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's another expression.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just think that right now after these like these these these these forty lunations the specific things which I have to share is like the the the the codex and the how and the what I call primordial hardware until human beings are actually working with this hardware without needing to have like the EMS and all of that sort of bullshit like I'm gonna hold this space
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my own personal commitment to myself and life.
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the other part is like natural astrology.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is nothing to do with interpreting charts.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's understanding timing of this realm in a way which is outside of the limitation of how you've been taught timing should be.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: boom.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go to this Herkamer Mine Mike.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you and I can plan a time to go there and do some sort of interview or video in person.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to wrap this up so you and I can talk a little bit off the air.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to take up your whole day.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we have a third video to this series.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: When is that coming out?
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that soon, hopefully?
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know when.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was, there's a book series which has been very, very significant to me.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's called the King Killer Chronicle Chronicle Chronicle.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's it.
• 1:20:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: The King Killer Chronicle.
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's written by Patrick Rothfuss.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: The books are the name of the wind and wise man's fears.
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this has been,
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has been one of my biggest joys to be able to read this book.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've read this book two other people three times and these are thousands of pages.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a joy to do it.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Part of that book series is there's an implied third book and it is yet to be released.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like fifteen years later and like the fans of the book are just like like they don't even know how to meet it anymore.
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if my third video is going to be like that.
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's going to take me fifteen years but I don't have that in the works yet but there is a third video in when it shows up it'll be significant.
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the meantime, I'll probably record this video today.
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: and what that video is is going in deep with it's what I'm calling the inner calendar and the inner calendar is really like this is in practical terms of like this is this is how you in real world time without like interpretation without any will how you begin to move outside of of the the the the false time which
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Unless you're purposefully moving out of it, you're holding it in place.
• 1:21:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the next video I'm going to create, or I'm going to put out.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the inner calendar.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that'll be the next one.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is probably the first
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is the first invitation.
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm going to tell everyone like how to do it, but if you're astrologically intimidated or unaware, well, you know, I can do that for you or you could take those classes.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's really where I'm coming back with are coming with coming, returning to
• 1:22:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: returning to a more grounded lifestyle after this forty months of just moving around.
• 1:22:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not certain what my I'm not certain where I'm going to fully lay in, but this is what I'm bringing back.
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me read this to you, which which is kind of like I feel like I'm doing my my tie up right now.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote this down when I began
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: When I really began or leaned into this this period of like forty lunations in the wilderness.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I only knew it was forty lunations once it was done.
• 1:22:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was only by looking back that I was able to see what had happened.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if you go back and you listen to our earlier shows and you listen to what we talked about like a while ago what I was talking about was that of the arrow circulation, that of of the barris, that of all of these different things.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I stepped into with with with with Christy the the the the river and stars circulation tour like no idea what that is other than the fact that this is what we're going to do.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I wrote this thing down someone else wrote this, but this is what I took to heart without any sort of understanding or expectation of what it would mean, but you could see right here.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's from the first page of my my personal notebook.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the second time I've written it written this down in a personal notebook because these words were so significant to me.
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so these are the words, and it comes from John Opsopouse.
• 1:23:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, but I found him doing some research online, and I just love this quote.
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in hindsight, that's exactly what has happened.
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like my experience matches what I wrote down, and I still look at today.
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when I read this to you, I want you to kind of like listen from the context of what I just told you in terms of my return.
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: By definition, a new era cannot grow out of the dichotomies and the structures of the past.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The future must be created a fresh.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: By those who are able
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: to who are able to journey to the undifferentiated ground that underlies being and to bring back a new dispensation from the gods and the ancestors.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the task of the skywalkers who visit heaven and the underworld.
• 1:24:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then become arrow circulators who cast a sacred circle round a land and consecrate it a new destiny.
• 1:25:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what visiting the ancestors and gods are.
• 1:25:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like claim any of this sort of stuff, but what I do claim is I said that I'm going to go on a journey, and this is what the journey is going to look like, and I'm going to come back with something.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is what I've come back with, like it naturally happened.
• 1:25:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: probably more to your hardware, how, and then the inner calendar and this new understanding of timing outside of the paradigm sort of indoctrination of how it should be framed up.
• 1:25:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every time you hold that bag up, I think of my, my medicine pouch that I have,
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, I don't remember what's in here right now, because there's a couple of things in there.
• 1:26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to go and dig it up or divulge it if I did.
• 1:26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, fascinating.
• 1:26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more to talk about, Mike, there's a lot more to talk about.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for this part three, but I'm looking forward to your next video coming out today.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will link your YouTube channel in the description as always.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: People can find it by searching Susquahana alchemy on YouTube.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can also search that wherever you listen to podcasts and find Mike's RSS feed.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike, thanks again for joining me.
• 1:26:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And until next episode,
• 1:26:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me before we shut this off, I also want like the invitation is like if this resonates, you know, I'm open to be contacted, whether that's for me doing the personal calendar and explaining that process and doing and identifying what the days are for you personally or anything else like that.
• 1:27:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Mark, I've also you sat in grounding consciousness one and two.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have any open classes yet, like I'll probably do one with a fall, but in the meantime, I've edited up the classes, which I think it was the one you were in, cut out all the personal sort of stuff, and those presentations, like six and a half hours worth of the grounding consciousness, astronomy, astrology, consciousness,
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: conspiracy and history like that's now available also if anyone's interested in that.
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like these are ways which I'm taking this and I'm introducing this to those who are resonating with this whisper.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So definitely include my email and I'll give you another link.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so if you are a listener and this is like resonating with you, that could be the next step, or you just kind of sit with this.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like because this is a self-correcting process and as Mark indicated, like even just by being in like an openness to new ideas is it begins a shifting process and rendering of reality.
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, happy to provide that Mike's email is listed in the description.
• 1:28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So again, touch with them, support him in his endeavors, and check out that grounding consciousness course.
• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I vouch for it.
• 1:28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it on Mike's last appearance here on the show.
• 1:28:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you didn't catch that episode, go back and listen.
• 1:28:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you can contact Mike on Instagram at Cisco Hana Alchemy as well.
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you
• 1:28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: feel more comfortable sending him a DM there.
• 1:28:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Mike, thanks again, don't go anywhere because there's more I want to talk to you about and for the audience listening, don't worry, we'll be back again very soon with a new episode and until then immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.
• 1:29:13
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• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:52
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• 1:30:42
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