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Hannah's Confliction · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This season has left us so many topics to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: It has been one of the easiest seasons to do
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  Speaker 1: a podcast about because there is some things happening and
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  Speaker 1: actually I need a little help talking about them. We
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  Speaker 1: have everything from sex scandals to historic moments. But first, actually,
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  Speaker 1: before we bring in some of our best guests ever,
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  Speaker 1: this podcast will be full of them, Courtney Robertson and
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Center. I want to let you know what I
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  Speaker 1: did this weekend. Oh yes, please. You went to Boston
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  Speaker 1: and went to Boston to meet Jessica's extended family. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. So I'm an only child, meaning they're in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us uh in the family. Jessica comes
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  Speaker 1: from an Italian family of way over thirty people that
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  Speaker 1: get together on a regular basis to eat and drink
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  Speaker 1: and be merry. And I got to join them this
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  Speaker 1: weekend for the very first time in Essex, Connecticut. I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you Essex is one of the coolest city's
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  Speaker 1: ever been to because it has so much history. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I got to meet Jessica's incredible family. It was
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  Speaker 1: something to be remembered. That's awesome. Why did you go
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  Speaker 1: to Boston. I flew in and out of there and
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  Speaker 1: took the train. It's cheaper, big budget. Okay, wow, that
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  Speaker 1: was very really frugal of you. But yeah, it was great. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I want to before we begin our guests, I want
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  Speaker 1: to just ask you real quick and I should ask
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  Speaker 1: you last week. Have you've obviously met Jared's extended family, right,
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  Speaker 1: cousins and stuff. Yes? Were you nervous for that? Was
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  Speaker 1: it excited? How did it go? Well? I met like
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  Speaker 1: his family when we were just friends, so there was
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  Speaker 1: no never nerves around that. And then um, his family, Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think because they were all sprinkled in. We never
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  Speaker 1: had like a big get together where I met everyone.
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  Speaker 1: But to this day I still feel awkward because like,
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  Speaker 1: if I've only met a cousin or an aunt or
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  Speaker 1: uncle once, I don't remember their face, especially when I
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  Speaker 1: met a ton of them at his sister's wedding, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Jared, you need to heelp me out here.
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  Speaker 1: You need to whisper my ear who this is so
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to say so I don't say like,
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  Speaker 1: nice to meet you again. You know, it's like, Jared,
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  Speaker 1: help me out here. But it's actually good that you
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  Speaker 1: met them in one big chunk. Was that that was
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  Speaker 1: probably super fun? Are you nervous A little bit nervous? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because it's everybody and it's a big family and their Italians,
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  Speaker 1: so they're like loud and opinionated and they do things
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  Speaker 1: in their life that I have never done. Like they
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  Speaker 1: sit down for a seven hour lunch slash dinner. That's great,
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  Speaker 1: full of great food, and like they love it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But it went better than I could have ever expected.
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  Speaker 1: Plus it was my first time to like the East coast,
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  Speaker 1: like Connecticut. Say, that's what I was excited for you
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  Speaker 1: to get that East coast Italian feel. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: That is one of the most beautiful. We went to
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  Speaker 1: a hotel or an end called the Griswold. It's the
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  Speaker 1: oldest operating in in the United States and it's the
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  Speaker 1: British commandeered it during the Revolutionary War and used it
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  Speaker 1: as like their headquarters left sleeping grounds and it's still
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  Speaker 1: open to this day. That's really cool. Yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: into it. Anyways, I just want to tell you that
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  Speaker 1: because it was a big weekend for Jessicai's relationship. It
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  Speaker 1: went great. We're moving forward. Um, we didn't break up
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  Speaker 1: and nobody yelled at me too bad. So I had
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  Speaker 1: my bridle shower. So we had a family weekend toosh.
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  Speaker 1: I was just not going to get discussed. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I had the most amazing bridle shower. Things to be
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  Speaker 1: inspired pr It was at the Garland in North Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: and Jared's mom and sister to my aunt's my cousin
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  Speaker 1: flew in for and then I had like most of
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  Speaker 1: my bridesmaids except for one, and then all my California
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  Speaker 1: area friends come and it was the most beautiful night ever.
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  Speaker 1: The food was amazing, the company was even better. They
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  Speaker 1: went around the table and they shared stories of me
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  Speaker 1: and Jared and how they knew we were meant to be.
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  Speaker 1: It was just super super awesome. Ash, do you feel
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  Speaker 1: loved right now? Loved? Should feel loved? Um? Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: super for you. But we have somebody else that's been
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  Speaker 1: loved for a long time in Bachelor Nation. Uh, and
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  Speaker 1: she knows a little bit. We got to talk to
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  Speaker 1: her about making love on Bachelor. On the Bachelor franchise,
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  Speaker 1: Courtney Robertson is on the phone right now to talk
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  Speaker 1: everything Hannah by this week. Hey, can we get down
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  Speaker 1: and dirty with it real quick? Yeah? Hit me with it? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you have been pretty open about your sex lives
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  Speaker 1: on the show. You said that you did have sex
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  Speaker 1: on camera with Ben flinn I, your ex fiance. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it happened in the ocean. It only lasted about twenty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: you say, and it was just the tip. If we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be graphic about it, was that first like
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  Speaker 1: on a camera caught sex on the show? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I am not sure it might have been it might
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  Speaker 1: have been the labor pretty rough out there, though, what
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  Speaker 1: inspired you to do this us? It wasn't pretty medical.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't going into it with that in mind,
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  Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, once I got out there,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that could happen, and so here's my
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to ride off of that for
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  Speaker 1: a second, though, because there's a lot I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about from this week and kind of what we're
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  Speaker 1: finding out, you know, from Hannah and her relationships. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things is I noticed it first with Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: and I've never really thought about this before. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's making out with Tyler why they're gonna massage, and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't have a top on, and she feels at
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  Speaker 1: this point pretty comfortable just like rolling over even though
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  Speaker 1: you know there's cameras there and people working in the room.
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  Speaker 1: At what point do you just kind of forget and
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  Speaker 1: stopped carrying at the cameras are they're just like obviously
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  Speaker 1: for you and been in the ocean, you knew it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be on camera, but you just said
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  Speaker 1: screw it. At that point, it's kind of already forgotten
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  Speaker 1: about the case. And we were walking out and he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: a million people just saw that, and I was like, what,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that you just kind of forget. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you also kind of think that they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to air that. They're like, it's an eight ten
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  Speaker 1: o'clock show on ABC, like they can't show much. Well,
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  Speaker 1: They're like, there's gonna be it's gonna be blurred out.
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  Speaker 1: The cameras were so far away, and then it airs
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  Speaker 1: and it's like the promo and it's like on Good
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  Speaker 1: Morning America and they forgot to blur it out, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, calling producers like this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think of that as
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  Speaker 1: one of the more like sex focused scenes from The
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor a couple of years ago. But it looks like
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  Speaker 1: Mike Flice went on two thousand ten and he said
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  Speaker 1: slept with let's where's the exactly he slept with most
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  Speaker 1: of the contestants. He said, oh snap, I've heard rumblings
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  Speaker 1: of that. I've heard other stories, but you know whether
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  Speaker 1: they're true or not. But things that were happening that
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  Speaker 1: weren't aired behind like on Date right, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: they didn't show a lot of it back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: Like nobody knew that about Bob, No who knew. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Hannah's just like, hey, Kee's flying a free
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  Speaker 1: clag and the windmail of this and it's out there.
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  Speaker 1: I think times have changed in well, so corny, this
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  Speaker 1: blieds me to really like digging into so you obviously
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  Speaker 1: it can kind of relate, and I want to start.
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  Speaker 1: I have two really important questions that I wrote down
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  Speaker 1: for you. One is what was the repercussions from you
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  Speaker 1: doing this on television? Did you feel like there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of backlash? Um or was there a lot
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  Speaker 1: more support? You know, I believe it or not. People
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  Speaker 1: didn't know until I wrote my book. I never admitted
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  Speaker 1: it it was I think people just kind of it
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  Speaker 1: was left to their imagination. So but yeah, I definitely
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  Speaker 1: was shamed a little bit. And um, it just was
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  Speaker 1: a wild the whole backlash you guys know from being
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  Speaker 1: in the public guy, I mean, you hear it all
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  Speaker 1: so that never feels good, but I stand by it.
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  Speaker 1: I like this gate it, so I still do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let that fly. The second is then with Hannah by
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest questions and one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest things that I took away from this episode
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  Speaker 1: and kind of all season with Luke and and we
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  Speaker 1: can you know, accuse Luke of a couple of different things,
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  Speaker 1: multiple different things, but one of them is he's just
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  Speaker 1: not a great communicator. If a man came into your life,
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  Speaker 1: Coordiney and was dating you, and you guys were getting
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  Speaker 1: very serious, and he has kind of this moral boundary
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  Speaker 1: or this really deep feeling and conviction on something, how
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  Speaker 1: would you want him to communicate that to you early on?
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  Speaker 1: I think he has been communicating it early on. However,
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  Speaker 1: every single time he opens his mouth, he um verbally
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  Speaker 1: messes up. Yeah, not know the right words to choose
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  Speaker 1: nor the tone. Especially last night, I was, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: was secretly rooting for Luke. I'm just going to throw
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  Speaker 1: that out there, But I can't help feel a little
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  Speaker 1: bit bad for him. He seems a bit naive to
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  Speaker 1: the whole situation, you know, experience. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what happens with the men,
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  Speaker 1: Tell all and see if he, you know, apologizes or
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  Speaker 1: how he reacts time and time again. Whenever I want
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  Speaker 1: to call him a dick, I can't because I truly
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  Speaker 1: feel like he's just completely ignorant. I feel the same way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad it's not just me, and I think everybody's
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  Speaker 1: kind of piling on. I do feel bad somewhat for him,
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  Speaker 1: but I think he's crazy about him. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they communicate well together, and you've seen that the whole season. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But you know that's the number one thing in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't communicate well. There just seems like a
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  Speaker 1: little game playing going on there. I want to hear
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  Speaker 1: what you think the future of sex in the show
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  Speaker 1: could be then, I mean, you mentioned it right, you said,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Bey, let that freak flag fly, you had sex
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  Speaker 1: in a windmill? What is the future of set and
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  Speaker 1: they look like on this show. We talked about last week.
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  Speaker 1: Rash and I were like, you know, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: every season sex is such a polarizing topic and why
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  Speaker 1: is that? Um, And we know there's multiple factors that,
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  Speaker 1: but what is the future of sex? The conversation of
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  Speaker 1: sex and how many people are having sex with different
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  Speaker 1: people on this show. I think I look for especially
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  Speaker 1: with Bachelor in Paradise and you know, people connecting act
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  Speaker 1: to the show and in gossip being and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more open. I do.
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  Speaker 1: I think I do think with the whole me Too
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  Speaker 1: movement and stuff like that, it's just people are being
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more open that they do need to
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  Speaker 1: be careful, but it'll be interesting to see. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I'd be curious to see what you guys think. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think for us that's last week Courtney,
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  Speaker 1: we took away from this saying that sex is obviously
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  Speaker 1: going to be talked about more and more, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I think people are giving Courtney are Caitlin Bristow
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit right now because they said I
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  Speaker 1: saw a couple of tweets saying that she opened up
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  Speaker 1: the door and started walking so Hannah could run. That's
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  Speaker 1: all I want, really is for people to have the
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  Speaker 1: ability to talk about it on the show, and if
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  Speaker 1: they want to partake in it, then that's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their decision to make as a person. But really, what
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  Speaker 1: we're really hoping for is that at least it's something
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  Speaker 1: that we can talk about again, or at least for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, because it's been so taboo that as
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  Speaker 1: a result, very unhealthy we've we've kind of fallen in
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  Speaker 1: the gap, kind of like lou P, We're the only
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  Speaker 1: way we talked about sex is in an unhealthy manner
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  Speaker 1: where we're shaming, guilty, ng or pushing somebody into a corner,
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  Speaker 1: and it's we're unable just to talk about it to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what each other want, need, like or maybe
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  Speaker 1: don't want to have. What I think is interesting about
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  Speaker 1: this season is that it's about sex and religion. The
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  Speaker 1: other previous seasons have been more of like and I
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  Speaker 1: never found someone, so I never did it, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. And now we're getting into really like
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  Speaker 1: sticky territory because there's gonna be people with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of differing opinions because we are bringing religion into it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's gonna be And I think it's different
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  Speaker 1: like if a guy's saying they're like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I did this and that, and it's like there's a
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  Speaker 1: fine line I will say that of bragging, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's coming across like that, you know, and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: Hannah isn't getting I don't think she's getting shamed, hopefully not.
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  Speaker 1: But it's definitely I suspect some backlash, um, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it will become more and more more states than normal.
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  Speaker 1: And it's fun, you know, it's fun, and it's definitely,
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  Speaker 1: like she said last night, it's a huge means a
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  Speaker 1: lot to her. It's a big part of a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to read what a conversation between Hannah
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  Speaker 1: and Caitlin because Ben just brought up those two being
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  Speaker 1: big figures for women insects in this franchise. So, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, once the Windmill teaser came out,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah posted on Instagram. I refused to not stand in
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  Speaker 1: the sun. I refused to feel shame. I were fused
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  Speaker 1: to believe the lies and the evil that flood in
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  Speaker 1: my comments. So she is getting she's getting shipped into comments.
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  Speaker 1: I am standing firm and believing that maybe God wants me,
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  Speaker 1: wants to use a mess like me to point to
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  Speaker 1: His goodness and grace. But dang, it's hard. The amount
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  Speaker 1: of hate I and the men on this journey with
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  Speaker 1: me are receiving. It's chilling. I know, so many people
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  Speaker 1: want to spread hurt recklessly. We all fall short of
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  Speaker 1: the glory of God. We just happened to do it
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  Speaker 1: on We all fall short of the glory of God.
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  Speaker 1: We are just happening to do it on national television.
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  Speaker 1: It's upsetting to get messages from Christians telling me I
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  Speaker 1: give Christians a bad name. And then Caitlin was quick
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  Speaker 1: to respond and to come to her defense by saying
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  Speaker 1: that women can have sex if they choose, and women
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  Speaker 1: can wait till marriage if they choose. The point is
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  Speaker 1: it's their choice. And reading a lot of the comments
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  Speaker 1: um going back and forth on Instagram and Twitter yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: I think the bottom line is and Ben you you
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  Speaker 1: step in here, But it's God's place to judge, not
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  Speaker 1: not Luke P's mm hmmm, not well. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody has their own belief system and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: I don't know to judge, and you know, just watch
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  Speaker 1: as an open mind. I like people who are open minded.
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  Speaker 1: I tend to be a free spirit and kind of
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  Speaker 1: put it all out there. So it's just not for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody's gonna like your choices or how you live
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  Speaker 1: your life. But you just gotta do it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just just put it out there. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 1: television show and sex is involved with multiple people. It's good,
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  Speaker 1: it makes for good entertainment. You can't do none of that, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: I see you are you writing something in your head
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  Speaker 1: right now? You like look like you're in deep thought,
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  Speaker 1: like you're putting a puzzle together. Well, because it is
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  Speaker 1: a puzzle, right it is. I mean, Courtney, I I
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  Speaker 1: totally get what you're saying. We have, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's it's impossible in scenarios like this too two to
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  Speaker 1: really unless we put the puzzle together. There's so many
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  Speaker 1: different things happening. Right. We have the ability for women
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  Speaker 1: to speak openly and honestly about their sex lives, their
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  Speaker 1: bodies without shame, right, So we have that avenue. We
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  Speaker 1: have the moral compass that Luke p feels in his
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  Speaker 1: heart and that he wants his wife to kind of
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  Speaker 1: agree with, so we have that avenue. We have Hannah
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  Speaker 1: speaking openly about her sex life and her freedom within that,
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  Speaker 1: and her relationship God. So we have so many different
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  Speaker 1: things happening, and I think it's impossible to approach this
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  Speaker 1: subject without attacking all three and kind of processing them all.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're talking about, Courtney. Is one thing that
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  Speaker 1: I think Hannah is doing a little bit that's confusing
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  Speaker 1: is in her statement. Like there she's saying things like
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  Speaker 1: we all fall short, um and we've we need God's grace,
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  Speaker 1: meaning at some level you need God's grace. We all do,
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  Speaker 1: at least if you have a face system. The belief
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  Speaker 1: is that we've all fallen short and that we've all
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  Speaker 1: failed and we've all faltered, but God still loves us,
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  Speaker 1: which is a truth that I hold dear. But within
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  Speaker 1: that speech, she's admitting to an incorrect decision, which on
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  Speaker 1: the show, I'm watching this and can kind of get
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  Speaker 1: behind her saying, no, I feel good about this, Like
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  Speaker 1: I am intentionally unconsciously saying I'm gonna have sex with
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  Speaker 1: these guys and feel good about it. That is a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: decision that I've made. And so she's saying that she's
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: made a mistake by doing this, or she owning it
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and saying I'm confident in my decision to do this
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: because there are two different things that are happening as
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: and and and that's where the conversation. That's the one
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: part that's confusing me with Hannah So there's one thing
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that I want to broach to you guys and talk
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: about because I have a lot of feelings towards Luke
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna talk about them later on the podcast
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and discuss kind of his approach to everything that I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: think is awful first off, and I can't wait to
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: tell you what I do agree with him. But the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: one thing with Hannah that I think she has not
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: done well, at least during this She's one I'm confused
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: on if she's owning this or not, because I can
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: get behind somebody saying I haven't been convicted of this
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: decision and I feel pretty good about it. Okay, Well,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: then who am I to tell you you're wrong? It
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: hasn't yet been unhealthy for you. You aren't showing any
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you know, frustrations in it. It's not been shown to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: be unhealth in your life. So I'll get behind it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But now she's making these posts and saying something that
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: is kind of kind of intuitive that. The second is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: she's making statements that I think it's hard for me
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to get behind, like my husband would never tell me
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: what I can and can't do. I completely agree with
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that your husband should not be telling you what you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: can and can't do. But I don't think there was
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: even and I would assume it's because scars had been
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: done so many times throughout the season, and wounds have
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: been opened up by Luke by just the way he
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: communicated with her. But as soon as he even started
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: talking about it, I thought she put him on the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: defensive and he and she went on the defensive, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: instead of just like having a conversation about sex, it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: became a battle about what you're telling me to do?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I wrong, No, you're kind of you are right, I believe,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like I think everything Hannah said was great. However, it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: just that he chose the wrong words, and I think
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that's what fired her completely up. If he was like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: super careful about his word choice and he had a lighter,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: more conversive tone, like he wanted to have a conversation
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and was less like this is what I want for you,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: then it could have been different, I Doe. I think
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: she seemed a little bit regretful in that moment, you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, what if he was the first date? I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: felt like, why didn't he make that more clear earlier on?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe things could have been different. I think he was
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: assuming because they share a similar religion and because they
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: have bonded over that throughout the season, that he just
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: didn't really expect her to sleep with anybody else. He
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: must have been, you know, fed. He was probably like
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: told that perhaps she was being a little bit more
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: promiscuous than he would have assumed, and then maybe they
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: were like, it's a great time to bring that up
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and your morals about waiting till marriage. It just all
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: went wrong with the way that he went about the conversation.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And I think she was already like I think that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: had already put kind of manipulated her into being like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: put the bad seed in her mind. But I think
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: she was super reactive. I was watching it like, well,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: just take a minute here, Like even right before she
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was like get in the car, she's like still fishing,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: like what and he's like, can I pray over you?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Like I think she was still hoping that's that bad communication,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that he would fix it again. I think he really
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: screwed himself over when he said you owe it to me.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That's just an example of a word choice that if
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he was like, I just feel like I need to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: get this off my chest before I go totally different
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: than saying you owe me the chance to talk. Mm hmmm,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: spot on. I mean, so to break it down here,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and like I said, we'll talk about Luke Layer. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: for Hannah, I thought her biggest I think the thing
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that confuses me right now is I feel like I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: don't understand where she lies on sex. Is is she
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: asking for forgiveness for it? Is she's saying that she
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: needs grace fit of this since she's made and we've
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: all fallen short, and that her relationship with sex and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the sex she had in the show is something that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: she needs to be forgiven for. Or she's saying, hey,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I feel good about this, and even though I'm a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Christian and I have Christians that disagree with me, she's saying,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I'm owning the fact that I had sex, and then
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I will continue to have sex, and that I think
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it's the latter. But she's saying in her but actually
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm wondering is but she's saying it in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: her post like we've all fallen short, we all need
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: God's grace. And I get that that's a that's a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: universal message of Christianity, but why is that being associated
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to the sex topic? Then? She might be trying to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: justify a little bit. And hey, I wrote a book about,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, my sex life and my past, and I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: got to be honest, it's hard to put that stuff
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: out there and talk about it. It is very taboo.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, maybe there's a little like she's trying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to save a little face because she's getting so much backlash.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But that's part of this process, you know. It's probably
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: fifty I don't know, let's take a poll. I think
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: she's I think she's probably confused ben about Like, she
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: thinks that sex is very important in a relationship and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: helps determine who she should be with for the rest
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of her life, and she wants to know about that
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: component of their relationship before she says yes too overposal.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But then she also knows that how having sex is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: before marriage is probably not what the Bible says to do.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It's a conversation that I cannot wait to continue to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: have and one that I'm super thankful so one, I mean, Courtney,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I do want to say, as a Christian, thank you
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: for allowing us to like helping us be one of
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the first to talk about this kind of stuff. It's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: healthy no matter what you believe and who you are
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and where you come from and what your convictions are.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: At least now we're talking about it, and I want
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: that to continue and coordinate. I will say it took
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of courage for you to write a book
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and also you know, speak about your experience on TV,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: so that my goodness, well, I mean that, and it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: something that I want to talk about. We've we've been
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: growing up in the church and then knowing people that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: haven't and that don't have a belief. Sex has been
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's there's so much unhealthy communication around it,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and there's so many assumptions and there's so much confusion
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and we don't understand each other and judgment and shame,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and at least now we're talking about it. So if
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you're a Christian and you're watching the show and you're like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I'm on Luke p side, like abstinence forever, all those things,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: well okay, but I encourage you to at least talk
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: about it. And if you're on the other side, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: encourage you at least talk about In Courney, You've done
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a lot to facilitate that. Corney. Before we let you go,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you, is there anything in your
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: life that you're working on that you're doing that you'd
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: like to promote on the Almost fame As podcast. Oh
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: my goodness, Um, you know what. I'm still doing real
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: estate here in Arizona. That's going really well. But I'm
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: actually working on with my life coach on some workshops
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and anxiety of a huge saying. You know a lot
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of people suffer from, so I have caught a couple
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of workshops I've teamed up with her on. So I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: just really want to put stuff out in the world
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that is helpful and authentic to who I am, UM,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: without a code, you know, just to kind of open
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the conversation for a little bit more mindful way of living.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I've got going on. Where
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: can people follow you? Bug Robertson, roberts sug Robertson, Yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm one inside. I don't do a whole lot. I
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: just post, but I love um And then congrats to you.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You're in a new relationship too. I saw that, so
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: congrat you and Askley. I'm loving the wedding planning, so
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: keep it coming. Thanks for Partney. Um. I just want
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: everybody out there to know, I know we said this
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: last time. You're on Best Bachelor. Read out there not
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Here to Make Friends by Corney Robertson check it out
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: on Amazon, And you just mentioned you have a new boyfriend.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you all do. He's awesome. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I am still debating if I'm going to write another
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: book again goes back to the sex stuff, So I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: really want to, you know, to do a continuation and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: be that vulnerable and put it out there. I've definitely
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: got some good follow up stories. So but yeah, thank
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you so much. I'm happy. I'm always happy to chat
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: with you guys, and hopefully we can keep the converse
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Asian going and positive. That's right, Thanks a lot, Courtney,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Bye by Jared and I are all about
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: making our place the most hd TV it can be,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the most resort like it can be. We're far away
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: from it being resort like I say that, but Crat
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and Barrel has been helping us inch our way there.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: We did the bathroom, we made that all luxurious with
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Turkish towels and those amazingly thick, sturdy bathrobes, and now
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we are working on getting our bedroom put together and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: making it a place that we want to just crawl
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: into even more at the end of a long day.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: My aunt just got us the most amazing gray flannel
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: sheets from our registry. So I know those are a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: little hot for the summertime, but cannot wait to put
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• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And we have just the most amazing thread count sheets
• 26:54
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• 26:58
  Speaker 1: uh comforter with a duve a and nice throw pillows.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Guys don't get throw pillows. They really just do not
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: understand them. Yeah, Marks here said, shaking his hand, doesn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: get it. I was told by a guy this week
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that was in our apartment. He's like, what's with all
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: like the layers of pillows on the bed. I'm like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look normal if you don't have this like
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: triangle of throw pillows. So we've gotten to some really beautiful,
• 27:21
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• 27:25
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• 28:00
  Speaker 1: straight when there's an order now. Starting with Peter Pilot Pete.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Pilot Pete has made the news this week. Lauren Ze
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: will open up an article about Pilot Pete having a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: girlfriend before he went on the show. So fans are
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: emailing us reacting. Twitter is going psycho saying, hey, how
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is this different than Jed? Before we talk about I agree, actually,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: but before we talk about Pilot pete overnight date, let's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: talk about why you feel Pilot pete scenario of dating
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: is different than good old jetters. Well, he broke up
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: with the girlfriend before going on the show, so that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: is the biggest component as to why it's different. Um,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he also wanted to break it off early enough so
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that she they didn't date too long, they didn't get
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: too far deep, and then he wasn't leading her on.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I think that he broke up with her in December
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because that's probably when the casting process started for him.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely not when it was finally decided like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that he was an official cast member. That doesn't happen
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: until February for these guys. So as soon as he
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: was part of the casting process, he was like, let's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not take this any further. I gotta break up with
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: her now. It's so different, yeah, I mean it. He
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have broken up with her if it was the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: love of his life, right, and he was probably I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: think Nick Nick tweeted last night. Nick Vile tweeted last
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: night that he was nominated. I don't I know that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they've hung out before, so he probably actually knows this
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: for a fact that Peter was nominated. He didn't sign
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: up for the show himself. He didn't have a motive
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: like Jed did to get exposure. So he was nominated.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He was like, oh, man, once in a lifetime opportunity.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Am I going to spend the rest of my life
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: with this girl? Kaylee? Probably not, so I gotta take
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this right now. Yeah, I mean, it's just different, Like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: what's the timeline December, they break up. Like you said,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: he's not even chosen until February, he's nominated. It's not
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the love of his life. Jed literally got on the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: plane still texting this past girl friends, saying, Hey, when
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I get back from this whole thing, it's gonna be good,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like Pete broke up with the girl like And I've
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: discussed as many times. I have a few friends that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: have gone through some really big breakups recently and some
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: really hard breakups. And the conversation we have often is,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know, how soon is soon enough for that you
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: have to wait to start dating again? And really there's
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: no answer to that. It could be the next day.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Is that healthy? I don't know, it's your own personal story.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You say yes or no that. But as soon, in
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: my opinion, that you break up and that's been communicated,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you're free to start dating. It might not be healthy,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: but you're you're free to it. There's no moral obligation.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And so if Pete ended this thing in December and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it starts filming in what like May March, then he's fine.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It's totally different. He's fine. Um, okay. So Pete is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the one that we assume we didn't get clarity, but
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we that had sex with Hannah twice in the window.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: If we couldn't get much more clarity, I guess only
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: one windmill, there's only one. She had sex with him twice,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: so their date, you'd assume went pretty well. We didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: see a lot because obviously a lot of this episode
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was taken up by by Lue Pete again um, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Pilot Pete and Hannah seemed to have, in my opinion
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: right now, the most full holistic relationship. Okay, I can
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: see that. However, I find his parts of the episodes
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to also also be the least memorable. For me, I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: feel less, I have less lingering feelings about them, jar
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: jar and I always say that, like you can tell
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: if a movie is really good or not based on
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: how much you think of it after you leave the theater,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the days and the weeks after. I feel like with Peter,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I think about him very little after the episode is done.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: So that's a really good point. I never thought about
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that way. But yeah, like I couldn't even hardly tell
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you what they did on their days. I just remember
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the windmill being really cool, yeah, the sailboat, and I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: remember them making out on the sailboat. Nothing else. Um. Wow, Well,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: so Ashley once again stumps me. We'll move on from
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Peter because what we know about Peter is this. It's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a good thing. It's going well there, obviously, have the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: physical connection. They're talking a little bit, they're making out
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a lot. Things are going great for the two of them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But it's not memorable. And are we looking for something memorable.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Speaking of memorable, we have Tyler C. So actually, there's
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: something that happened with Tyler C that shook me this week.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. This it's so interesting that you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just said that. That word choice was amazing because when
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I think back on this episode, because Ben and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: get to watch it a little earlier. I watched it
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: on Thursday. When I watched this episode, over the past
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: couple of days, I've been thinking of Tyler, not Luke.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: That was my long lasting feeling from this episode, really,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about Luke quite honestly, really, I I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't really thinking about look until today
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: when I had to start talking about it. Yeah, I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: have a lot of feelings on Luke. Though maybe I'm
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: just passionate about Luke because it's touching so many things
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that I'm really fired up about. But I agree, Tyler see,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I remember, and here's a couple of examples. Actually, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I think our viewers are listeners to this podcast, we'll
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: probably um agree. And I'm gonna talk about later on.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You know, as I said, but Tyler C and Hannah
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: had an adult conversation about sex. And I don't know
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: if anybody is comparing, you know, I know people are
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: saying Tyler C was so respectful to Hannah and her
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: what she wanted, which I agree with. But also the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: way that two have been discussed having sex and not
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: having sex was how two adults have that conversation. It
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was open minded, It was one of curiosity and understanding,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: not it lacked judgment. And I don't care if you're
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a Christian or not. What the conversation they had was
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a very healthy conversation based on a moral conviction of Hey,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable about having sex tonight. And they
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: both said, Okay, if that's what you feel, if that's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: what you think, if that's what your desire is, then
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: as your friend, partner and lover, I will agree to that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Opposite of Luke P which I don't want even get
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: two now, but I thought that was a really good
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: thing to see, was a two of them communicating on
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: such a high level, completely agree. It was the ultimate
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: parallel situation, and that's why I was. I was very
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: moved by Tyler and the way that she reacted when
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: he left that morning. She said that she had never
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: bet felt that respected by a man before, and she
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: was moved to tears because of it. And I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: she was moved to tears because of another thing too.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I watched this interview from her speaking after mental all,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: just before we got in here, and she said that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: going into the fantasy suite with him, she thought that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: they had a great physical connection, but she wasn't sure
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: how much there was beyond that. And she said that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: after the fantasy Suite she felt so deeply connected to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: him that I think she started to um stress out
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a bit because she was like, holy moly, he does
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have everything I need. I thought maybe I had this
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: figured out, but now this man is just so wonderful.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Hmm. There's a couple
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of things that confused me about this, this segment with
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the two of them. One is when you see Tyler
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: seeing Anna started getting hot and heavy. These poor masseust
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like where did they go by? Guy? Everybody else has
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: signed up for this. But you see, if you watch
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it back, you see the masseuse that's like massaging Tyler.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: As he gets up off the bed, she kind of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: looks like confused, like what is he doing? And then
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: she uses in the corner as he like pounces on
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: top of her. That woman was like, wait a second, sir,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to keep touching you. Yeah, like You're like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: what is happening here? Like I'm gonna have to watch
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: these two people hook up? Like how many times in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: their life have they had? You know, twenty people with
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: cameras come into a room as they're trying to give
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: relaxing massages and then two people start hooking up. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: bet they feel a little weird about this. How super weird.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Before we move on to the Jed day, I do
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: want to say that I just reiterate the fact that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I loved how moved she was by the respect that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: he gave her. I think it was so wonderful. And
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: then did you see how nervous he got when she
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was starting that conversation about going into the fantasy suite.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I think he thought he was going to get dumped
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: there and it was so heartbreaking. Yeah, he's had a
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: couple of those moments. He likes her. No, Actually, I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: want to ask you though before we close up here.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So I took some different approach to seeing her so
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: emotional about Tyler. I took it as she's emotional leaving
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: him and not excited about what she learned because in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: her mind, Tyler was already gone. So she's sad because
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: she's not realizing that Tyler might be it. Yeah, in
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: her mind, she's already sent him home or thought he
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: was the one. So now she knows that she's going
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to be even more convicted towards the end and be
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: more conflicted towards the end than she ever ever knew. Well,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I think I kind of brush on that too. It
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was a respecting plus. It was like, holy damn, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: am super confused now. Yeah, So it was weird for
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: me because, like you would think if you knew going
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: into a date that oh, this could be the person
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I spen the rest of my life with, this is
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: our night together, this is gonna be awesome. And you
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: go into the day and it is awesome. Then you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: come out the next morning ecstatic, excited, at peace, full joy,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: full of understanding all those things. Instead she has all
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: those feelings. Yeah, she's a little bit sad about it
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: because she's like, oh no, this is gonna get hard.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get hard because she's really in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the jet, which leads us now to jet again and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: my mind Jet is even there. But we got to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Ashley, what was your take on jet
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: um trying to separate myself from him having a girlfriend
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and just looking at this in a more neutral way.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't super mind the fact that he said that
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he um what did he say about Luke? He said
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that he questions how difficult it is for her to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: give up things that are bad for her. I didn't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: have an issue with him saying this. I thought it
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: was perceptive of him. I think it shows that he
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: understands her, he's trying to figure her out, and that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: he feels open and honest enough to express concerns that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: he has about getting into a relationship with her. But
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I also have heard different interpretations of that. Some people
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: think that that was like a little bit a little
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: bit controlling. Yeah, I mean, we just heard Courtney Robertson
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: used the word manipulative. Yeah, she said that Jed was
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: manipulative and his speak to her. I actually don't disagree
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: at this point. It's hard for me to judge because
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't do it. I mean I can't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: because I said it last week after now watching back
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the season and now seeing when Jed what we two said.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm not I was here originally a famous but
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: but now I'm falling in love with you and all
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: of us going, oh that was sweet and honest and transparent,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: but now we know that it was just him trying
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to get something off of his chest that was actually
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: fake and manipulative. I think he's still doing it like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and another thing is to me, I here's one thing. Actually,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: there is no man I will ever be threatn and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: buy that wants to talk about me on the night
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: he's going to spend the evening with his fiance. He's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: gonna go. He's going into this thing thinking that she's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the one, yet spending their their date together talking about
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: another dude. Something that's bothering. I'm gonna cut you off
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: again because this is what fired me up. And then
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: good old Jet known all season to be this guy
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that's just been around. He says all these things. He
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't like console or comfort her, even though I feel
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: like she is answering his questions. Cold. He's cold, He's
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: saying there. And then she goes, I just need a second.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I need to get away and walk, meaning, hey, dude,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: leave me alone for a second so I can breathe.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: What is good, little Jed does. He jumps right up
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: out of his chair and follows her and then gives
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: her this weird behind the back hug and like holding
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: her shoulders, like I don't know what to do with
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you right now, but I'm gonna be here because it
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: seems like it looks right. No, dude, either leave her
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: alone and let her think, or go up to her,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: grab her by the shoulders and say, damn it, woman,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I love you. I care so much that this dude
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: is in your life. But all I want to do
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is be in your life and give her the biggest
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: freaking kiss that you've ever imagined to say, all of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that gone, You're my woman. Okay, okay, So this is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: where I played Devil's advocates to my own interpretation, and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder because he did feel cold because he didn't
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: make a move, like Ben just said, was he trying
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to put doubt in Hannah's mind that they aren't meant
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to be together. He wanted to turn her off just
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit, leave her with some questions because he
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: was ready to be eliminated. That's the only reason he's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: now at the end. He's like, oh, yes, top three,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and that's perfect. Please make me top three, you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: get rid of Luke. I'll be three. I'll get what
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I need out of this. I just feel like it
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: was a weird time to like concentrate so much on
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: another man. And that's the only reason I could really
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: come up with it. Unless his ego was so bruised
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that the week prior he was sort of like equated
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to him at the Row ceremony. M hmm, then we
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: still that's an ego issue, you know. Uh, you're onto something, Nash.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. The poor guy was like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: oh crap, I've got a girlfriend at home, and I'm
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a country music legend in my mind, and I'm about
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to get engaged to a woman that like I like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: but like definitely aren't. Isn't that I'm not that into
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I've done really good at job getting this far. How
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: can I ruin it now? Talk about another dude? Exactly exactly.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: It's right out of the Bachelor handbook of how to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: ruin something. So actually, let me ask you before we
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: move on to the big one. Luke p Um. It
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: will be last week talking about him, hopefully. I'm probably
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: now he's going to be a tell all next week.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But um, okay, so answer with this. Is there anything?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Famously Jed came out two weeks ago and said, hey,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: please be patient. All I have things to say, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I can't say him till after the season. Is there
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: anything Jed could say at this point that would allow
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the public to completely forget and forgive? Brainstorming? I'm thinking
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I can't really think of anything, Okay, so let's ask
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: our listeners, Hey, listeners, if there is anything Jed could
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: say this week or I guess whenever he gets let
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: go or ends up with Hannah that would allow you
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to forgive and forget. What would that be? Please hashtag
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: almost famous podcast to let us know. I'm hey, do
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you have anything that would make it better? Um? I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: think he could admit that he I think I could
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: see him in Hannah sitting this side by side, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I think if he was doing that and he said, hey,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I went to this with a girlfriend. Uh, my intention
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: was to come on this to get famous, but I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: fell in love with this woman and as a result,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: my heart is with her. Then yeah, I think I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: could say, Okay, I get it. I think I think
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: we can all get it and perhaps forgive. But I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if Hannah could ever forget. And I'm concerned
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: about Hannah and her trust with him. Yeah, so if
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that exactly so, she would have had to know going
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: into it this story and get totally supportive in behind
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: him and say, yeah, I knew this side of the story.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: We knew it was a little confusing, we knew it
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: was gonna be hard, but it was you know, we
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: love each other, so this is what we chose to do.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I could get that now if they aren't together, I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: really think a lot of things are gonna go one
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in one ear and out the other for me, because
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I just don't think there's anything he can say at
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: this point that I would trust and not that even
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: it's important that I trust it. Like again, who am
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I in his life? And like he doesn't have an
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: effect on my life, So I don't really know if
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I even want to hear it because we know at
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: this point he had a girlfriend and he left going
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: on the show with his girlfriend, So I feel more
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: bad for the girlfriend back home that do for anybody else.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And then now I feel bad for Hannah because she
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: invested her heart in this dude who is is playing her.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: So no, I'm not okay with that, no matter what
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the scenari, I'm not okay with the second scenario. I've
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: got two things I want to talk about before we
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: move on from Jed. This is an interesting tibit, and
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I have to be super transparent. I don't know the timeline,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the details, but at some point over the past couple
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of months, Hannah's brother started following Jed's girlfriend Hailey on Instagram.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So this leads me to think a couple of things. One,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: was he doing research on everyone's Instagram and like really
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: tearing it apart. Two, does Hannah end up with Jed?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And Jed was actually honest once off camera that he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: had a girlfriend that he left, and then out of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: out of deep curiosity, of course, Hannah's brother was like, well,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: let's check this girl out, m that could be. That's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: always fun to kind of find out who's falling who.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested see how this plays out. I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: hear it's going to be crazy from everybody's you know, insights,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it's a wild ending. Obviously, we want entertainment, but most
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: importantly we want truth and we want this in well
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for Hannah, and so let's see how it ends. Okay, Um,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: there's one email from Andrea and I'm I'm just skimming
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: through it right now. I'm like, Andrew, Andrew, do you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: know that Jed had a girlfriend. But let's read it
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: out loud. I have some thoughts on why I think
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Jed is the right pick. Hannah has been in two
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: big relationships, and it sounds like both of them were messy.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Jet is the only one that she has had some
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: messy talks with, even if it was about Luke. She
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: got to see how he dealt with an upsetting conversation,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: how he communicates with her, and most importantly, how he recovers.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Tyler and Peter have been butterflies and rainbows, but that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: not reality. At some point, she needs to see how
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: they deal with tough situations within a relationship. Okay, Well, Andrew,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I guess that's what I was kind of saying about
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: how he just just was so honest with her last
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: night about a concern that he had of hers. The
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: truth of it all is, there's some fishy things going
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: on with Jed, and I have to be honest. I've
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: dismissed his relationship with Hannah for the last few weeks,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and I don't like that I've done that. But I
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: watched the show in fifteen minutes of the show is
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: worthless to me because it just doesn't feel real and
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I don't and I hate that for Hannah because I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: watched this and at this point, in my eyes, she
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't know that. She has no clue that there's something
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: so unhealthy going on in front of her eyes. And
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that's Jed right Hey. That being said, I do feel
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: like they do get nitty gritty. They get a little
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: bit dirtier in conversation that we see than the other two.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I think they have something, and I think she believes
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they have something, and I actually don't doubt that he
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: somewhat believes they have something. I think he's just forgotten
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that he has a girlfriend now, which is even worse.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. Hey, Ashley, Jed's not healthy. We've got to
• 47:54
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• 48:53
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• 50:47
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• 50:49
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• 50:54
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• 50:56
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• 51:31
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  Speaker 1: really get into that, how has it been entering in
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the coffee world. It's been a whirlwind. I mean, it's
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• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and I can drink a lot of it. You can
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  Speaker 1: sort of learn to appreciate good versus bad coffee, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that was kind of enough for me for a while.
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  Speaker 1: blends work, and how how they roasted, and all that
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: stuff that I'm sure you're intimately familiar with. Um, it's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just there. It is a whole other world of education.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And learning and process and and then um throw on
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: top of that trying to run a business, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: surrounded by it, and it's um, it's crushing me some
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to some degree. But again, I mean they say the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: number one thing if you're gonna start a business, be
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: your own customer. And at least I have that going
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: for me. So I'm gonna start. I'm starting there and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to build from that. You describe the flavor
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of your coffee. What the flavor? You said that you
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: have to be your biggest fans, and now I want
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to know why this coffee is your favorite. Well, so
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't start this company. It started a little
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: over a year ago with these two. These two these
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that were where we're appropriately um, largely bearded, hugely passionate
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: coffee guys. I mean at the time, I'm growing a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: beard slow and it's it's in this sort of awkward
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: achieve phase which makes you want to shave it every second,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: but you have no Yeah, I'm doing my best at it.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: But you know, these guys started it and they have
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: um our roaster. This guy Chat is um, he's the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: guy like the mad scientist guy. So he's the one
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: with the really great the ability to find the right
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: taste profiles and all this sort of stuff. So we
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: have all kinds of different stuff from single origin to
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: special blends. And then we have a line of infused
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: coffees that have like we have a vanilla cayenne and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: a chocolate and uh, you know, I hate vanilla, and
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: all these ones that have kind of oils, not a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: lot of um calories or sugar, but these different oils
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: infused into the beans. Which it's fun. Um I do
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: that sometimes on the weekend. I love just opening up
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: the bag and smelling the the smell of those and
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: then grinding them and that kind of remember that the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: grocery store. My mom uves to buy them and I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: was a little did we just stick my nose in
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the bag. It's so good, I know, I know, And
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a fascinating science behind creating these
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: different taste profiles, and it's just it's, you know, similar
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to wine, where you half
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the time I feel like they're making up the flavors
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: just because they sound appealing to people. You know. It's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: almost like your horoscope where they just they just put
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: it down and you're like, oh, yeah, that's totally that's
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: totally me. Well really, it's totally like of the world.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of I don't want to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: be giving away trade secret to but I feel like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: to some degree, that's how they do coffee and wine
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and stuff. They just come up with sort of fancy
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: ways to say it's bury and oaky and like the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: hint of um, you know, vanilla or something. But the
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: infused ones they infused coffee being definitely um have a
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: have a flavor that you can pick up. Well yeah,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: but like your coffee like Ben's coffee, yours gives back Yeah, yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: gets back to the for the forest. So we um
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the you know, these guys approached me because of my
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: sort of wildline fire experience, and they were looking for
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: some way to give back in that regard, and they
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: were already doing these this tree planning initiative, and so
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: it goes under the philosophy of um of. I don't
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: know who said it, but essentially, you know, you know
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: when you're kind of a wise person, when you're willing
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: to do something that you know you won't be able
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to necessarily um fully take advantage of, like planting a tree.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: By the time those trees are at the point where
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: we're enjoying their shade or whatever, we may be long gone.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of the philocity behind that, and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: you know, reforest regeneration and just trying to be environmentally conscious,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to pay attention to our footprint and that sort of up.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And then also UM refer to our love for the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: wilderness and that so it seems like an apropos place
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: to UM donate some some time and money. D Ryan,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is your official role with this company? Well,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it's turning into CEO, owner and CEO. It was initially
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: kind of just influencer and then it became sort of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: business development and then I like to call myself UM
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: sort of a global opportunity explorer because I was basically
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: just reaching out to people all over the place trying
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to figure out how how the coffee industry works. But
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: it's starting to settle down as we we mature as
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a company and try to grow, we're trying to UM
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: place people in their positions of strength, and not that
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: running the company is necessarily my strength, but I am
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: super passionate about it, and I enjoyed and I have
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: some education that lends to the skill set needed to
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: do that. So I'm finding myself in in a little
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: more of an administratively responsible role than I had initially intended. Yeah,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, Initially I was hoping I
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was just going to be able to tell people about
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the coffee and that was going to be what I did,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and we would become wildly successful and I'd be able
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to retire and just drink coffee all over the world.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: And um, that was my dream that it was quickly
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: realized wasn't gonna happen overnight. So I'm not surprised. I'm
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: not surprised. I mean, Ryan Sutter has been known to
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: do some incredible things in the world. Not only are
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you the winner of Tristan Wren now trist To Sutter's
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: season of The Bachelorette, you're collared a firefighter, You're the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: father to Blakesley and Maxwell. You're also on Ninja Warrior.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: You had a stint in the NFL. I mean this,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Your resume at this point is long, it's adventurous, it's awesome. Uh,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: you're every man's man. I remember I stopped up at
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: your house a few years ago, You're leaving the next
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: day to run a hundred miles literally run a hunter mile?
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Is actually, how does that make you feel? Um? I
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: want to die. That may have been a mistake. I
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: was that I might still be hurting from that was
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: two years ago, but that was you know what it is.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like maybe you guys will get to this
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: point in your lies where you get to this point
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: where you feel like you've accomplished a lot of things
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to accomplish growing up, and you've kind
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: of you've navigated your way through life well. And I'm
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: certainly proud of who I am as a person now
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: and what I've done, But um, I need to figure
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: out how to live up to that um first half
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of my life and expand upon it in the second
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: half of my life where I can't run a hundred
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: miles anymore, and I can't play in the NFL, and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: um Ninja Warriors is difficult, and so all these things
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: that are that we're we're kind of the low hanging
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: fruit in life where you just for me anyway, I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: was always good at just being stubborn and persistent and
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: working my way through these things in a lot of
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: ways sort of physically, and and that becomes less and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: less of an auction. So things like like Beardoman coffee
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: are my sort of new avenues of expression. Or that's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: where I'm hoping to find new avenues of expression where
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I can in part the wisdom of the past, the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: things that I've learned through all those experiences that we
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: talked about, and try to redefine who I am and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: come up with a satisfying future for myself. And and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that's the real um It's sort of a real challenge
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: in life because I'd imagine most people go through I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: read an interesting article the other day about how the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: historically life expectancy was about my age, which is I'm
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: almost forty five, and so now that's that's like half
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: life expected to me. So people are biologically not always
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: prepared for the second half of their life. When they're
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: they're kind of running down and you're having to figure
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: out and that's sort of the source of midlife crisis
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: is and all that sort of stuff. And so I'm
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: right there. I'm at that that place where I'm exploring
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: for new new avenues and it's exciting, but it's also
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: kind of scary because I can't just all back on,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: um what has traditionally worked for me in the past. Yeah,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Actually, that middle life crisis is like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: a real thing and it's biological. It's super interesting. Before
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: we wrap up with you, we got to ask you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: if you've been watching this season. I know that Tristan
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: says that she's just like the biggest Bachelor Bachelorette fan.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Now she's like, I don't even know that I was
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: part of the show sometimes anymore. I didn't watch it
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: like a fan. So what do you think? What do
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you think of the luke p situation? And who do
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you think that Hannah should end up with? Um. I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: can provide very little insight here because I haven't I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: haven't had time to watch much of it because I've
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: been trying to do all this cofee stuff in and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: it that's extending into the evenings. So the only thing
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I know about it is what I hear from Trista,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and I think she tries to be understanding. Um, it's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: it's Becca. Is that her name right? Well? Hannah? That
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: alright right? So I have to give her the benefit
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: of the doubt. And um, there's a lot of generational
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: differences between her and us, and so we don't I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: don't really understand where she's even coming from as a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: young woman and how things have changed since since I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: was in that phase of life. So I hope she's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: enjoying the process and I hope it works out for
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: her in the end. We all always hope that, um,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: but you know, when it comes down to like like
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Ben for example, he was a Colorado guy, and so
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that was like, all right, I'm gonna watch that one,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: But this one, I just haven't had the time. It
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: just hasn't worked out in my life to pay attention
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: to obviously, since I don't even know I don't know
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: who Luke p is and I didn't even know who
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: what Hannah's actual name was. So I'm always guys, I'm
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I am definitely a fan of the franchise. Is changed
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: my life forever, and you know, everyone who we have
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: ever met through that process has been a wonderful assition
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: to our lives. But I just am not very informed
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: these days. That's totally fine. You guys can check out
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: out Bearded Man Coffee dot com and don't forget that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: with every bag of coffee they make a donation of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: five percent of all sales to the National Forest Foundation,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: and every dollar donated a tree will be planted. Make
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: sure that you buy a bag of generous and a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: bag of bearded bad coffee. Perfect. Bye, Ryan, thank you,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks Ryan. All right, you guys, you know
• 1:03:25
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• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:32
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• 1:03:35
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• 1:03:40
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• 1:03:56
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• 1:03:59
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• 1:04:01
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• 1:04:04
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• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:04:22
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• 1:04:24
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:55
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• 1:04:58
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• 1:05:01
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• 1:05:06
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• 1:05:09
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: before the spot talked about talked to Ryan Center a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: man that communicates, Well, now let's talk about a man
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: that communicates poorly. Luke P. We've talked about before in
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Luke P is not going to get a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: place on this podcast that we're just gonna destroy him.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Twitter has done that, the public has done that, a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: lot of fans have done that. This podcast is not
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: going to destroy Luke p as a person. Um just
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: not something that we necessarily want to get into. It's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: not fun, it doesn't make us feel great, But we
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: want to discuss our opinions on the behavior is being done.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly when we discuss UH today. Hey, Ashley,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: let's start before we get into it. I have a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: few things to say about Luke for it um. I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: want to hear from you. First. I thought the first
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: part of this date was good, like it seems like
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: it was going in a way where was like all
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: of a sudden going Holy cow, Luke Pete could be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it yep, and he's still the best kisser in her opinion.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: It felt like a relationship that was gonna last pass
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: this week, where like the Jet relationship felt mega could
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: end any at any moment. Could you imagine if they
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have this conversation, how the date could have ended.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the conversation was probably inevitable.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Once the fantasy suite that they want in the doors
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: of the fantasyuite, fantasy suite if they got to that point.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: But good thing had happened on camera, right, What if
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that happened in the fantasy suite, we wouldn't have been
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: able to see all this. Well, Actually, here's what we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: want to jump into that because we can talk about
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: the first part of this day, it really doesn't matter
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: because the last conversation is the moment that really matters
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: to the listeners and to us. Luke P confronts Handah
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: once again on her sex life. And after last week,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: we had some amazing conversation about sex. I mean, Twitter
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: was really really healthy coming back to me about convicting
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: me of Hey, you're a Christian. The Bible says x
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: y Z, and you're saying, hey, let your freak flag
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: fly and do what you gotta do. And we're some
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: really healthy conversations back and forth and and and ones
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed having um both publicly and privately
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: offline with some of you. I want to contin that
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: this week. Ashley and I've talked extensively about this whole scenario,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: but this is one that we want to sit in now.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: So last week we're gonna really probably talk about Luke
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: P and sex and how Christians view sex, and I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: had my mom actually watched the episode and get her opinion,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: because my mom's going to come about it from a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: lot more conservative approach than I would. And here's what
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: we came up with. You know what there's like. As
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, Luke P is terrible at communicating
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: first off, but I think he really went into this
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: believing Hannah was gonna be his wife, and so we
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: felt like this conversation was needed now a caveat. If
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I'm about to marry somebody and I haven't talked to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: him about my preferences on sex, that's a problem. So
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I don't blame luke P for wanting to have this conversation,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and I think his lack of ability to communicate has
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: thrown a cover over what he was actually trying to say,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: which was, Hey, this is how I feel about sex,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: this is what I desire for sex, and in any circumstance, man, woman, whatever,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: same sex couples, you should have these conversations. And I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: don't think he was wrong for one to have it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I thought Hannah had probably, like we said, had wounds
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: opened up earlier in the season, so that when he
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: started talking about this, she resorted back to those thoughts
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: when he did shame her, when he did guilt her,
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  Speaker 1: and so she reacted in a defensive manner, which put
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  Speaker 1: him on the defense and put her on the defense.
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  Speaker 1: And they just want to add each other. And that's
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  Speaker 1: one thing that was sad, because they do think they
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  Speaker 1: could have had a really healthy conversation about this. But
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  Speaker 1: what Luke did is once again he approaches this and
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  Speaker 1: in a very i would almost say chauvinistic way. His
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity has covered up the core thing that he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to say, which is, Hannah, I love you
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  Speaker 1: so much and as my future wife, I want you healthy,
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  Speaker 1: I want you thriving. I want you feeling joy and
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  Speaker 1: feeling hope filled, and for whatever reason, he feels like
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  Speaker 1: sex is taking that away. Now here's my question, though,
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  Speaker 1: and it's in a style he's approached at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the hardest part for me is any Christian can
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  Speaker 1: do this and don't let him do this to you.
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  Speaker 1: You can throw the Bible in the face and say
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  Speaker 1: There's a tweet that Luke p started to give last night,
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  Speaker 1: and it said, I just want people to hear biblical truth. Now, Luke,
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  Speaker 1: get it. I think your heart is probably in a
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  Speaker 1: decent place, good place. I'm not even I don't know
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  Speaker 1: your heart. But let's not throw the Bible in people's
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  Speaker 1: face as a weapon to shut down the conversation. You
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  Speaker 1: were wrong, brother, you were wrong. And how you have
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  Speaker 1: approached Hannah. You came out that with judgment and criticism.
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  Speaker 1: And when Luke has judgment, criticism, isolation and anger and
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  Speaker 1: any type of discord resolving around those done anything to
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  Speaker 1: perpetuate truth, when his biblical truth ever been shared successfully
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  Speaker 1: through the motivation of shame and Gail And now, don't
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  Speaker 1: or a second tell me that he didn't come about
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  Speaker 1: this from a place of shame and guilt. He used
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  Speaker 1: words like you owe me. He used words that are
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  Speaker 1: reference that if she did mess up, oh don't worry,
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  Speaker 1: Holy old Luke will be there to catch you. Luke,
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  Speaker 1: humble yourself, confront whatever insecurities are going on in your
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  Speaker 1: own life, realized that yes, God does love you, He
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  Speaker 1: also us love Hannah, and that yes, sex is a
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  Speaker 1: massive topic that Christian, non Christian male female, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: identify as, we are talking about and we are discussing.
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  Speaker 1: Allow that discussion to happen. Do not put the conversation
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  Speaker 1: in a corner from the beginning, and that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: you did. You mentioned sex, you surrounded it with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of negative terms and negative connotations, pushing Hannah into
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  Speaker 1: a corner to allow her to get defensive instead of
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  Speaker 1: opening up and saying, hey, as a Christian, my conviction
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  Speaker 1: is that sex before marriage is not appropriate. It's not healthy,
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  Speaker 1: it's not good. And as a woman I love and
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  Speaker 1: my future wife, can we discuss what this looks like
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  Speaker 1: for you? Instead? You assumed, because you assume that her
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  Speaker 1: morals were the same as your morals, and as a result,
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  Speaker 1: ends with you looking like a fool. And also happened
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  Speaker 1: to use your good old, wholesome desire to share biblical
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  Speaker 1: truth as the end all be all, And quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sick of it because the Gospel says this that yes,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus does love, he loves all, He's sacrificed all for
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  Speaker 1: every single person walking the earth. That God does love you.
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  Speaker 1: I I know that, and his desire is never to
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  Speaker 1: reject anybody. The only thing that he rejects is rejection.
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  Speaker 1: And quite frankly, you opened the door up for rejection immediately,
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  Speaker 1: and it's unhealthy and it's unsafe, and I have to
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  Speaker 1: convict you of checking yourself now to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you aren't throwing the first stone. Sermons by Ben I
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  Speaker 1: think that was so great. I don't want to elaborate,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have two questions for you. Earlier I
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  Speaker 1: said that uh Luke should leave the judging up to God.
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  Speaker 1: After hearing that, I feel like I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: even say that God's judge of minds all. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's things that got I mean, this is my belief
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna yeah, I was gonna say, what
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  Speaker 1: do you personally interpret? I so interpret this that there
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  Speaker 1: are things in our life that Jesus has opened up
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  Speaker 1: to be the most wise way to live on this earth.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about last week sex is powerful. Let's I
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  Speaker 1: don't think there's any person in this world that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: say that sex is not powerful. It is powerful, Christian
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  Speaker 1: or non Christian. And I think we have to confront
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  Speaker 1: as humans, what is the healthiest way for us to
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  Speaker 1: practice and participate in sex. Now, outside of that, I
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  Speaker 1: would have to know your history, your traditions, your backstory,
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  Speaker 1: your story leading each of this day. To even come
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  Speaker 1: to a place to understand why you choose to have
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  Speaker 1: sex or not to have sex, I would have to
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  Speaker 1: know your story really on every topic, to know what
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  Speaker 1: convicts you and what doesn't. Now we can surround it
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  Speaker 1: by saying, yes, the Bible says do not have sex. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to generalize this,
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  Speaker 1: but the Bible says a lot of things that we
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  Speaker 1: don't follow to this day, and I think oritually in
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: this world, Christians have grew drug sex and alcohol and
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  Speaker 1: the same grouping and forced us to feel shame even
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  Speaker 1: talking about sex. And so yeah, we can dismiss the
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  Speaker 1: conversation by saying the Bible says a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: things that we don't follow. We can also dismiss the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: conversation by saying that the Bible says do not have sex.
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  Speaker 1: We can shut down the conversation using your trump card, card,
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  Speaker 1: the Bible or God in a second. That's not what
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in. I'm interesting having the conversation. I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in understanding who you are and what you're doing and
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  Speaker 1: why you're participating in things you are. Outside of that,
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  Speaker 1: I have no place to judge you, I have no
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  Speaker 1: place to react to you. I need to know you first,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and so Luke or anybody's approach here, and I challenge
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  Speaker 1: all of us to be curious first, to try to
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  Speaker 1: understand first, to ask questions first, and then you are
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: more than welcome to share your opinion second. But until
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  Speaker 1: you understand who I am and where I've came from
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: and what I've been through, you have no right to
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  Speaker 1: criticize me. And I hope that's what Hannah saying. I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: think that's what Hannah saying because I hope that one
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  Speaker 1: day Hannah finds a man that loves her so much
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  Speaker 1: and respects her so much that both of them can
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  Speaker 1: hold them to each other accountable to things that are
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  Speaker 1: healthy and not healthy in their lives and in their relationships.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that when she says no man will ever
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  Speaker 1: tell me what to do, I hope she means that
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  Speaker 1: outside of the confines of a loving, respectful, healthy marriage,
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  Speaker 1: that is keeping each other supported and accountable. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think Luke coming about it as a place of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: this is right and wrong, and I know right and wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to share biblical truth with you, and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: don't worry when you slip up. I'm the best guy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the best guy ever, So I'm gonna be there
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  Speaker 1: to catch you because I got your girl. I hope
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  Speaker 1: he knows that that comes from a place of ego
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: and insecurity and he needs to check himself. And I
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  Speaker 1: would tell him that to his face right now if
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  Speaker 1: he was on this call. He needs to check himself,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: because that got really scary really quickly. It got really
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: weird to watch. I have one last thing to talk about,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: because you just mentioned it briefly. I love how Hannah
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: pointed out that pride is a sin, just as having
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: sex before marriage is a sin. And he has demonstrated
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: that and plenty of other sins throughout the season, but
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: it was Secks that he decided to harp on well,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: and I want to say this. This is where maybe
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to Hannah is because she says
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: those things and I agree with her. Right, we could
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: all point out each other sins. We could all point
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: out the planks in her own eye and the things
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: that we're missing in ourselves, and we could also cast
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a stone every single person around us and say, hey,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you're doing this wrong, and you're doing this wrong. It's easy,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: but that's not hard to do. We're all doing stuff
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: wrong Christian, non Christian, you know, the Pope to Mother treaty.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: So we're all messing up. But I'm wondering what one
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  Speaker 1: thing I can't do. And there's a great little section
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  Speaker 1: in the Bible it talks about this is by God's grace.
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  Speaker 1: We are all forgiven, at least in your the Christian
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: belief system, that we are fully forgiven by God's grace
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: for everything we have done and will do. That's how
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: big God's grace is, and that's how much he loves us.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: But it also says, shall we just go on sinning? Then,
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  Speaker 1: if we're already forgiven? Should we just let ourselves lose?
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  Speaker 1: Of course not, because it's not healthy, it's not good.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: It's not cultivating a life of joy, of fulfillment. It's
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: not allowing us to be the biggest, best versions of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: ourselves in this world. If we just keep on sinning, going,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: don't worry. God's forgiven me. So the thing that I'm
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: confused by, and I have to ask Hannah is when
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: she tells Luke, hey, I'm good with this then as
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: a friend of hers or as a participant. I go, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know your backstory, Hannah. If you're good with
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: this and this isn't something that's taking away from your
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  Speaker 1: life and that you don't see as an issue that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you haven't been convicted of, then I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: place to make you feel shame filled for it. But
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  Speaker 1: in your tweets or in your Instagram captions, if you're
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: saying I do feel shame for this. I've messed up,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I keep messing up, but God's for giving me, then
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  Speaker 1: I want to come beside you as a friend and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: then how do we help you stop making decisions that
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: are not making you feel like the best versions of yourself.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm confused. That's why I'm getting the
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: miss miscommunication from her. Is it feels like at one
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: point she's saying one thing in confidence, and the next
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: point she's saying something like, no, I know I'm messing up,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: but then w God's forgive me, And I say, yeah,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: of course he has that's not of course God's forgiven you.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: But is it healthy? Is it good? Is it right? Ben?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for all that. It was really like I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: just wanted to sit here and listen. It was really
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: perfectly articulated. And to end this episode on a fun note,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: that was great. It was super fun, super fun. But like,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: way to change the topic. We have a winner for
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: the What's in Your Console email challenge? Yeah, this is
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: from r L. She says she has wax strips. I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: keep it wax strips in my center consoles so I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: can wax my eyebrows on the go. I get in
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: the road to grab a strip, turn up the heat,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: let the strip warm, and then wax. People think it's silly,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: but the sun is the best for lighting and heating it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: That is that isn't Yes, you do have to warm
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: it up like those at home. Wax strips like usually
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: run between your hands and really really fast. I went
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: through mine yesterday and I found a parking ticket from
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Syracuse first from six and a half years ago, and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I found some of my favorite albums. Just sit in
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: the center console I found Uh. I found lip Bomb
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: that had melted probably three or four years ago and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: has continued to melt ever since then. So it's given
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: me a nice layer of hydration at the bottom of
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: my council. Oh great, um, hey, uh really appreciate you Hannah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. Thanks for letting us talk about
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: you for the last few weeks. We're gonna continue to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: do that next week on the Almost Famous podcast. Thank
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: you to Courtney Robertson and Ryan Center for coming on. Ashley,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Congratulations having a great bridal shower. Congratulations on meeting Jess's family.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Big deal. Hey, I don't want to talk about this
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's not my place, not the podcast
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: to do it. I just want to let you know,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: ash and the listeners out there no that conversations about
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: God and about sex are super healthy. We should keep
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: talking about it, like beliefs and ideals and stories and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: backgrounds and sex and everything that we do in our lives.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: It's healthy to be vulnerable. I want to encourage you
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: all to be vulnerable, because I promise you, once you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: start talking about this stuff, you realize that even when
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you feel at your darkest and you're most alone, you're
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: on alone. All of us are struggling, all of us
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: are dealing with stuff. All of us have done things
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: that now we feel convicted of that we know weren't
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: healthy for us, but yet we did them and we
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: can't stop doing them. Sometimes or maybe we stopped doing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: him and we realized that it's healthy. Whatever that is.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Just know that you're not alone and that I truly
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: personally believe she just really does love you, that that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: at the core of it all mess up or not,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: that that there's a guy that really does care. And
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: so Hannah, thanks for talking. Let us talk about it. Luke,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: I do want to say, for all the things that
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you've done really wrong and that we've made fun of,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: your not gone from this show and I'm gonna miss
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: it a little bit because I do think that you
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: felt convicted of talking about something that was super meaningful
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: to you. I might not agree most of the time
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: with how you shared it, or in what context you
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: shared it in, or how you treated others, but dude,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you're talking about it. You're being vulnerable to the best
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: of your ability, I would believe, and I would I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: would have to say to that, congrats. I hope that
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you feel good about your experience on this show, and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: that I want nothing for anybody but really positive things
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: to happen after it, because damn it, man, this could
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: be really hard on somebody that comes into the show
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: and leave feeling like they left something on the table.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like he did not enjoy the show. However,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna learn a lot from it and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: he hopefully will be a changed man from it. So too,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: ash You're the best. Appreciate you, Appreciate you. Come on, hey,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: uh if you have any comments, questions, concerns, if you
• 1:23:32
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• 1:23:34
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• 1:23:43
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