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Back to the Mall: Zombies, Survival, and One Suspicious Salad — Dawn of the Dead (1978) · The Cinematic Flashback Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: They're still here.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: They're after us.
• 0:06
  Speaker 3: They know we're still in here.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: They're after the place. They don't know why. They just remember.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Remember that they want to be in here.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: What the hell are they?
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: They're us, that's all. Hey, thanks for coming back with
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: us today as we had a little bit more to
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: say on Dawn of the Dead. We actually came back
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: and did some additional recording for this because Amanda had
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of really fun ideas, but she asked a
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: pretty legitimate question. She asked, where did Peter get the
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: lettuce for the salad that he gave to Stephen and
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: Fran during their dinner scene? You know, these are things
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: that fans will look at and maybe not think too
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: much about, but sometimes... You see something and you focus
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: on it. But we ended up talking a lot. And
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting enough that we should probably
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: put this together as a supplemental episode for our Dawn
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: of the Dead. So I'm calling this one Back to
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: the Mall because a lot of our conversation handles around
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: how would you survive in the mall if this was
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: for real. So I hope you enjoy it. We're going
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and start mid-sentence with Matt telling us
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: just a little bit about what he remembers about going
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: to the mall.
• 1:24
  Speaker 4: Part of the allure for this movie was the mall
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: that this was filmed at had the exact architecture of
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: Springfield Mall, which is the mall that we went to
• 1:33
  Speaker 4: in Northern Virginia. So when we were watching the movie,
• 1:36
  Speaker 4: it was like this was taking place in our mall.
• 1:39
  Speaker 4: We spent a ton of time in the mall as kids.
• 1:42
  Speaker 4: You know, I remember going to see Star Wars. We
• 1:44
  Speaker 4: went to Farrell's Ice Cream. We went to Orange Julius.
• 1:47
  Speaker 4: We went to Time Out where the video games were.
• 1:50
  Speaker 4: We spent so much time in the mall. And that's
• 1:52
  Speaker 4: what my son was just like, you did what? I'm like,
• 1:56
  Speaker 4: I hung out in the mall.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the appeals of this movie
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: is that you would just go to the mall to
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: go to the mall, right? There wasn't anything else really
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: to do. So the idea of a mall being like
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: a fortress in a zombie apocalypse, that was kind of appealing.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Because boy, if you could do what they did and
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: take it over, you should be pretty good.
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: While we're on the subject, it's a good thing to
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: point out the mall's developer, Mark Mason. Romero gets an
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: early look at this mall. It's not even open yet,
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: and they're allowing him inside to check out, kind of
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: do some scouting locations. And he's watching all these trucks
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: roll in and just dump thousands of boxes of merchandise.
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: It's a literal consumer paradise, right? But it's Mason that
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: grants Romero access to the mall's civil defense area, right?
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: above the retail floors, and Mason shared his thoughts on,
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: you know what, someone could live up here undetected forever,
• 2:50
  Speaker 3: and they would have everything they need to virtually survive
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: anything right at their feet.
• 2:54
  Speaker 5: Well, apparently that's what his friend told him.
• 2:56
  Speaker 6: If we ever suffer some major disaster, this mall is
• 2:59
  Speaker 6: where you want to be because it will survive the apocalypse.
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: How long do you think these people could actually realistically
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: survive inside a mall? Have you ever thought about that?
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: More than we want to admit.
• 3:12
  Speaker 7: I thought about it a lot over the last week, Chuck.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? detail.
• 3:19
  Speaker 6: So I did a little deep dive for those of
• 3:22
  Speaker 6: you who listened to the Dudley Friend episode and your
• 3:26
  Speaker 6: deep dive into how hard you have to throw a
• 3:27
  Speaker 6: basketball and what speed.
• 3:29
  Speaker 8: I thought I'd bring a little excitement to this, some
• 3:33
  Speaker 8: facts and stuff.
• 3:33
  Speaker 5: So here's what I was able to dig up.
• 3:35
  Speaker 6: And I know that this isn't completely accurate, but this
• 3:38
  Speaker 6: is what I was able to dig up. For food
• 3:40
  Speaker 6: and water supply, you could technically last about five years. Now,
• 3:44
  Speaker 6: this is all according to Gemini.
• 3:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, so pick your AI.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. I pick J-I for Jeff Johnson AI. Thank you.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of that Shirley Fest 3.
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  Speaker 6: So for non-perishables between the dried goods, canned food, condiments,
• 4:02
  Speaker 6: vacuum sealed, pantry stock, et cetera. It also mentions candy,
• 4:06
  Speaker 6: which I think is funny because man cannot sustain himself
• 4:11
  Speaker 6: on candy alone. But four adults could easily survive five
• 4:15
  Speaker 6: to 10 years on those calories, okay?
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 4:18
  Speaker 6: Drinking water, bottled water, sodas, canned beverages alone would last
• 4:22
  Speaker 6: a few years, depending on how quickly you drank them, obviously.
• 4:25
  Speaker 6: Beyond that, the water heaters, plumbing reserves, and HVAC and
• 4:29
  Speaker 6: cooling towers inside them all contain tons of thousands of
• 4:33
  Speaker 6: gallons of untreated fresh water that could be boiled or
• 4:37
  Speaker 6: filtered to be drinkable. So that's the perspective that I'm
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: getting on food and water supply. Where is the panel
• 4:44
  Speaker 6: sitting with the food and water supply? Do you think
• 4:46
  Speaker 6: that's accurate?
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know about the three of you, but
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: I actually worked in a mall for years at the
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: Suncoast Motion Picture Company. And we were we were training
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: for this scenario previously. back then, because we're all movie buffs.
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: We're working in a movie store. So we were moving
• 5:05
  Speaker 3: through those hallways, those connecting hallways throughout the mall that
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: customers just don't get access to. Amanda, I'm going to
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: tell you right now, while my feelings on AI are
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: pretty much concrete and have been validated by several people,
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: the GI here says, yeah, what you're saying is accurate.
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  Speaker 3: I would say you're at least five years, minimum five
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: years in a mall, provided that you keep it fortified. way,
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  Speaker 3: way more than five years. If you just start rationing
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: on day one, most people are going to be like, ah,
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: we're good. We're out of here in a couple of
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: days and they're eating, you know, and you got to
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: go to the food court for the perishables. So there's
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: only so long you have, there's a, the clock's ticking
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: on that stuff because the fridges are going to go
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: out or the compressors are going to go out. So
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: you got to eat the perishables first. So it's a
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: real strategic thing you got to do here. So for people,
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: you better be working together and you better be marshalling
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: Your rations, I would say.
• 5:58
  Speaker 6: And I'll tell you, you touched on an interesting point
• 6:00
  Speaker 6: because that's exactly why my brain started wondering about this.
• 6:04
  Speaker 5: The scene in the.
• 6:04
  Speaker 6: Movie where Peter serves Stephen and Fran a meal after
• 6:10
  Speaker 6: they have to say goodbye to Roger.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you, my brain works in mysterious ways, you guys.
• 6:19
  Speaker 6: Now, having paid more attention to the movie this time,
• 6:22
  Speaker 6: these viewings, because I knew we were going to be
• 6:25
  Speaker 6: covering it, It occurred to me that Peter serves them salad.
• 6:30
  Speaker 6: At this point, they have been in the mall for probably,
• 6:33
  Speaker 6: what do we say, two to three months at least
• 6:35
  Speaker 6: because Fran's showing. I couldn't get it out of my head.
• 6:39
  Speaker 6: Where is this salad coming from? Not where did the
• 6:46
  Speaker 6: zombie outbreak start. Nope, that's not on my brain. It's
• 6:52
  Speaker 6: where are they getting this salad? So that's what started
• 6:55
  Speaker 6: the rabbit hole.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten one of those salads in a
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: bag from Walmart?
• 7:00
  Speaker 5: All the time.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: I've always wondered how long those things have been in
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: the bag.
• 7:04
  Speaker 6: I can tell you that Sam's Club lettuce in the
• 7:08
  Speaker 6: bag only lasts.
• 7:09
  Speaker 5: Me two to three days, and that's a huge bag.
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  Speaker 5: But if I get it from.
• 7:13
  Speaker 6: Walmart or our local supermarket, which is called Metro Mart,
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  Speaker 6: I can get a week out of it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're putting on it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they've been bagged many weeks before, and then they're
• 7:23
  Speaker 4: in transport and under good condition, so you can last
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: a long time. By the way, I will tell you
• 7:28
  Speaker 4: a little bit of trivia. Those bag salads came out
• 7:31
  Speaker 4: just about the same time my mom and dad retired.
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  Speaker 4: My mom was required by my grandmother to make my
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: father a salad each and every meal. For 50 years
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: they were married, my mom made a salad every night.
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  Speaker 4: And right when they retired, the bag salads came out.
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: And my mom named them retirement salad.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: She's like, I'm not making salad anymore. I'm just opening
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  Speaker 4: the bag and dumping it in a bowl.
• 7:54
  Speaker 5: I love that. That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: It would last for a while. There's no way it
• 7:59
  Speaker 4: would last several months. And I would put up that
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: you could. If you had the forethought and you didn't
• 8:07
  Speaker 4: bury your dead in the little mall greenery areas, you
• 8:12
  Speaker 4: could have grown lettuce. It grows in absolutely no time.
• 8:15
  Speaker 4: Leaf lettuce will sprout in about 11 days, and it's
• 8:20
  Speaker 4: edible just to leaf lettuce, not heading lettuce. Heading lettuce
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: takes a long time, but just to leaves. You can
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: get them and start eating on them easily within 20 days.
• 8:30
  Speaker 4: Like arugula, you can get it in 15 days. I
• 8:33
  Speaker 4: only know this because I grew arugula and other types
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: of leaf lettuce in our backyard. Now, we know that
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: they did not spend any time doing that. So, yes,
• 8:41
  Speaker 4: it is like, where did the fresh lettuce come from?
• 8:44
  Speaker 4: I 100% agree about the preserved food because we know
• 8:48
  Speaker 4: that you can open an MRE now from early World
• 8:51
  Speaker 4: War II. And it's still, I mean, it's terrible, tastes terrible,
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: but it's still edible. There's some really interesting engineering that
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: went into some of those foods for World War Two.
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: You know, the preservation of food and even the advent
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: of canned food made exploration of the South Pole possible.
• 9:09
  Speaker 4: Even found some of the canned food still there.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: So.
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I don't think the timeline on that is hard.
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  Speaker 4: I think the issue is everybody who's not a zombie.
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  Speaker 4: is looking around for every store where this type of
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  Speaker 4: thing is. It's a target.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be overrun.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't believe that the mall would have sat
• 9:31
  Speaker 4: there unmolested until the biker gang showed up. There would
• 9:36
  Speaker 4: have been armies of people coming in to clean it out.
• 9:40
  Speaker 6: I think that's one of the things that you have
• 9:42
  Speaker 6: to suspend your disbelief on when you watch this movie.
• 9:46
  Speaker 6: You know, just like having salad for dinner.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: The one thing... would be concerned about is fresh potable
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: water yeah because the number one thing is cardio okay
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: you got to keep cardio up up. Number two is
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: double tap. Number three has to be hydrate. You've got
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: to hydrate. Got to stretch. It's either hydrate or beware
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: of bathrooms. I love that movie. That movie makes me laugh. Oh,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: that's a good one. Have any of you guys read
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: the book? I think it's called The Stand.
• 10:26
  Speaker 5: Way back in the day.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Never heard of this book. Who wrote it? Well,
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: one of the interesting, you know, what's his name? Bachman.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Richard Bachman.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: Overdrive. Overdrive.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: Anyway, in the stand, the one thing I would pull
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: out from it, I mean, the book is a long,
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: long book and somewhat interesting. But the one thing he
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: does at the very beginning, he does a really great
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: calculation based on how many people are left and how
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: many people will die in these weeks. Just because there
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: wasn't enough people around, they make the example, a guy trips, falls,
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: breaks his leg. He's going to die. There's nobody there
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: to help him.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: He's he falls into a pit and he can't get
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: out and there's nobody else to throw a rope down.
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: It's a really amazing calculation at the beginning is if
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: if this if 98 percent of the people die, you
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: just have these people spattered here and there and everywhere.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: You know, one thing about the the mall like Matt
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: makes a good point. You know, if everyone's running, how
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: long does that stuff last? I think if you look
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: at this situation happening now. Yeah, everyone's running to Target
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: and everyone's running to Walmart. But in 1978, that probably
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: wasn't much of an opportunity. So I'm still going. I'm
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: still going to the mall because the hordes of living
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: people are probably going for Walmart and Target and those places,
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: you know, they're hitting Kroger. And I'll go to the
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: mall where it's the underrated pick. You know, it's the
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: hidden gem. And I'll just I'll live off of restaurant
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: food and supplies.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: And apparently, well, there's candies, which will apparently last for forever,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: at least according to the supply in my father-in-law's house. Amanda,
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: I agree with the candy.
• 12:14
  Speaker 5: All right. So next. OK, we got the.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, go ahead. I'm probably the only one here that
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: that absolutely will not eat salad.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: Test it.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: There you go. Amanda's giving me a look, but I'll
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: tell you right now.
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'll eat all the salad.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: The important thing for, for in my world, salad exists
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: like greenery. My food eats salad. So I, I, you know,
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: I need, I need my food to have something to eat.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: So that's, that's the only reason it's important to me.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: So if the four of us are, are in a
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: dilapidated mall, you guys can have all the salad you
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: want and I'll just, you can ration me. I'll take
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: like three gummy bears to your whole plates of salad
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: and You know, and I'll survive off Haribo and my
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: body fat for as long as I need to because
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not touching salad. And I don't know what you're
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: all thinking. Like, wasn't like a month ago we had
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: like diarrhea lettuce outbreak?
• 13:05
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: So you want to talk about how the zombies come. Like,
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: we just keep eating the greens, people, because— Every time
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: there's a massive outbreak. Jeff's going to take all the
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: meat and cheese and the Ducalax that's left after the apocalypse. Matt,
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: all I know is I've never seen a tiger or
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: a lion track down a head of lettuce and devour it.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: I am 100% with you on that, Jeff, because it
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: always drives me crazy when they have these dog food
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: commercials where it's like, Bits of real meat, carrots, and potatoes.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: And you're like, what coyote in the wild ever ate
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: a potato?
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: No.
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: Well, both my dogs love carrots.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. They like the crunch, I think. I
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: think they like the crunch.
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: Okay, so the next scenario, okay, we got five to
• 13:55
  Speaker 6: 10 years on food, right?
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: So what about fuel and power? How long is that
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: going to last?
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Well, according to The Walking Dead, at least 10 or
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: 11 seasons, right?
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: Gemini is telling me weeks to months. Generator fuel. This
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: is the immediate breaking point. Emergency generators run on diesel
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: fuel stored in underground tanks. Even a massive commercial generator
• 14:17
  Speaker 6: running continuously consumes hundreds of gallons a day. The timeline
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: is if they ran generators nonstop, fuel would likely run
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: out in a few weeks to a month. To stretch
• 14:27
  Speaker 6: it across three to four months, we'd have to ration it,
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: I guess it would be if we were in this scenario.
• 14:33
  Speaker 6: Electricity strictly, keeping most lights off, running only essential appliances.
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: Within six months to a year, the fuel degrades anyways,
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: making it unusable.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Do you remember why they said there was still power
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: on at the mall?
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: Nuclear power.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: And I only remember that because I just turned on
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: while I was working. I got halfway through Argento's cut.
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: And that line stuck out. I don't know why I
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: never really picked up on that in the other watches,
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: but that's why.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: But you know, there's no way that a nuclear power
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: plant would run unattended because there are certain checks that
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: have to be done. And if they're not done, it
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: starts to go through a shutdown.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: We hope.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: We do hope.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: We hope it goes through an orderly And not a
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: China syndrome.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: But until that happens, you got power. But all of
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: that aside, Amanda, your point is well taken. At some point,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: fuel is a consumable, right?
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Unless you drive a French fry car. Have you ever
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: seen a French fry car?
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: No.
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: No.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: This is where somebody takes a diesel vehicle and they
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: convert it so that they can run the car on
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: fuel that they've taken from vegetable oil.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Isn't that what Doc does in Back to the Future?
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: No, he has Fusion Boy where he throws trash into
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: the back of it. He throws a banana peel.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: Trash, but I would assume there's probably some french fries
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: and grease in there.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: No, this is a thing they have now. People run
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: their diesel cars on fry oil.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: That's so crazy.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: And when the car runs, it smells like french fries
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was cooked in. Because I had a
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: friend of mine who did this to his vehicle and
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: he would go to local restaurants to collect their oil.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And then he would put it through the process and
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: then dump it in his car. It seemed like a
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: lot of work.
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: So there's another book I'll reference because we talked about
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: nuclear called Lucifer's Hammer by Jerry Pernelli. I think it's
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: a classic sci-fi.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: You could remember Jeffrey Pernelli, but you couldn't remember Stephen King.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I am disappointed.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: I have a thing about Stephen King. And ever since
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I watched that, what is the Pet Sematary? I can't
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: remember his name because it traumatized me so much.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I was young.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I remember Jerry Pernelli and he wrote that book,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Lucifer's Hammer, which basically a asteroid or parts of an
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: asteroid hit the world. But one of the things that
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: happens is the San Joaquin Valley gets flooded and there's
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: a nuclear power plant there and they build a berm
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: around it and they continue to keep this nuclear power
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: running all the way through the end times. They're able
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to keep all the bad people out because they have
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: unlimited amounts of electric power. So they wire up electric
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: fences and they're able to live in this little enclave
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: with proper person being there, the nuclear power plant could
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: continue to run. We just have to make sure that
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: nobody gets bit.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: It's just a wealth of knowledge.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I know. It's annoying.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: No, it's not at all.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I want Matt on my zombie survival team.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: No kidding.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I want to be the guy at The Walking Dead
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: where he's like, I have the cure. So you have
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: to save me. Turns out he doesn't have the cure.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: And I knew it from the right off the bat.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have the cure. This is a guy who's
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: definitely going to get eaten by zombies. And this is
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: his one play. Anyway, I totally agree with the power
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: going out, the fuel going bad. And we see that
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: in all sorts of fiction and even comics. I think,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: civil defense planning because they know the fuel will go bad.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's only a few years you can pull
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: it out of those underground tanks because the rainwater will
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: ultimately get into it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: It'll be no good.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: So that's why you see even in crazy movies like
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Bad Max and stuff, you know, they have these engines
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: that they've converted to burn gas that's generated from heating
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: up wood. So they're basically burning on wood gas.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: The last of the V8 interceptors. I hope you guys
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: do Mad Max next season.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It's on there. I love Mad Max. Okay, good. Okay.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: We have food. We have fuel. All right.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Indoor environment and health.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Oh, gosh.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: See, I think that's where it all falls down. Well, really?
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: This is what gives me the heebie-jeebies, okay, when I
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: start thinking about this. So without constant refrigeration, obviously, we
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: know all the meats, the perishables, everything are going to spoil.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: The smell.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: I can't even imagine what that's going to smell like
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: because no human can eat all of that before it
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: goes bad. And if you freeze it, you're using power,
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: depleting those resources.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: So everything would rot completely within.
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: A few weeks, creating that massive black mold, severe pest infestations, rats, flies,
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: and an unbearable stench throughout the unventilated buildings.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So you're basically saying that the mall would become just
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: this one giant funky smelling place with lots of black
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: mold and rotting food.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Rats and vermin. What if the rats become zombies? Shut up.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Don't even go there. That's like my nightmare. That would
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: be the end.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: As the guy that runs on about 220 to 230
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: grams of protein every day.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Challenge accepted, Amanda. I'm going after that meat. I run
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on about.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: 150, so I'll fight you for it a little bit.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: okay but even you and i the two of us
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: built like wrestlers could not eat all of that there's
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: no way there's no way i just the thinking about
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: the stench you know and on top of that what yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: There is things they could have done. Yes, yes.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: They could have gotten out on the roof. They could
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: have taken all that meat and dried it, smoked it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: And you'd have to. You have to do something with it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's just part of your survival instinct,
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: you know, why that sense of smell is so strong.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I do believe that that's, you know, a survival tool
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: that's innate.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: The meat, though, Amanda, like, we're not going to eat
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: all of it, but I'm using some of that to
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: hopefully trap some.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: some predators outside the mall. And I'm not talking about
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the zombies.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I'm talking fox, coyote, anything that's coming around because people
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: have not scared them off.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm making bait. I got fresh food to kill and eat.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: But could you also move some of those foxes and
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: mountain lions and lynx or something into the mall and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: have them keep the vermin down?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We got an ecosystem going on here.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Hey, Matt, I'm on the roof with a bullhorn going,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and I'm getting all the cats I can, all the
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: barn cats to come into the mall.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: They can go after mice and little critters and all
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's a nice little ecosystem.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: I sense a small independent picture coming with a very
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: small budget from the four of us.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, so moving on, kids.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Structural wear. This is interesting as well. Without heating in
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: a Pennsylvania winter, pipes would freeze and burst, which I
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: never thought about. Okay, because you're probably not running that
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: heat at full blast. All those freezing pipes would and
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: exploding bursting pipes would flood the lower levels. Without air circulation,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: humidity and mold would then rapidly ruin the air quality indoors.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: So you're breathing, you're breathing it all in too.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Can I, can I help here? Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I will say that Amanda, you're absolutely right. Something we
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: do at work as the garden season ends, we have
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: to flush pipes. We have to, there's this whole, there's
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a whole system and, I would have to believe that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: it's pretty much the same, any big box retailer or
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: any mall. It's just a matter of venting the pipes
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: one time and then turning them off. So they're protected.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: You bleed the water and then your pipes are safe.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: So right before the first frost in this mall, we
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: got some work to do because we're going to bleed
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the water. We're going to, you know, we're going to
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: shut it down. And yeah, it's going to be cold,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: but we've got plenty to burn. So we're fine. But
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: we would have to protect the pipes for that very reason.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: And then come spring, we're back in business.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: We would definitely protect the pipes right after we set
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: up all the Claymore mines, other perimeter defenses.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And no one says anything. I'm like, is there a
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: PX in this mall? First of all, we're wondering, where's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the Claymores coming from? Yeah. Oh, right down the road.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: If you have a helicopter, you fly down to the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: National Guard and pick up all their Claymore.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Remember, this side towards enemy.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: So you guys keep saying, Amanda, you're totally right. You're
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: totally right. I agree with you, Amanda. I didn't come
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: up with any of this. It's just the salad. The
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: salad sent me down this rabbit hole wondering how long you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Could really last.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: And with all those factors that we just talked about,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: it says that humans theoretically could last six to 12 months.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I think we could do better than that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: But seriously, I think six to 12 months is about
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a season of Walking Dead. And they were always in
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a different location every season. So maybe you're onto something, Amanda.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't think you need to be looking at
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: where you're at as the final destination, unless it's nuclear winter.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: And we got to stay indoors for a couple of
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: years because of fallout. But that's not the case here.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: We're just trying to defeat zombies. So I think six
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to 12 months is a very good timeline to build, strategize,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: prepare to get to the next destination once you've used
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: up the resources.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: At the mall.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So we'll eat all the meat and we'll grab the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: candy and we'll do what we need to do. But
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: we've got 12 months to figure out how to get
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: from the mall to the next spot.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And the next spot is down in Florida for Day
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of the Dead. Not ideal, I don't think, if you've
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: seen Day of the Dead. Take that helicopter down there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: One question. Do these zombies, can they live underwater? Do
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: we know? Yes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: We learned in Land of the Dead that he can.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: What a movie.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, God. Of all the disappointments in my life, that's
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: right up there, man.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's very few movies that I... Stood up at
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the end and shouted shame, shame, shame at the screen.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: That was definitely a disappointment. Well, I think I missed
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that one. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: So here's what I would say. In summary, if we
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: had a team of people who truly understood what was
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: in front of them going forward, which I don't believe
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: anybody would have been able to do.
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Because it's so beyond the concept that no one is
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: coming to save them. They would all go on as
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: if things are going to return to normal in days.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: And then almost all the stuff that Amanda points out
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: will probably happen. They won't drain the pipes. They won't
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: get rid of all the dead bodies. They won't sort
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: of understand that the meat's going to go bad and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: we need to have food for the winter. And all
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: we have to do is get it on the roof
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and dry it. make some smoky fires and stuff. They
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: won't understand that till possibly it's too late unless they
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: had someone amongst them that really was aware of the situation.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I will also talk to what Jeff said about nuclear fallout.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I can tell you without a doubt that when this
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: stuff is hitting the fan, the politicians are going to go,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: we'll solve the problem. We'll drop a nuke on Texas.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: That'll save us. You know that's going to happen.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Well, Matt, all I know is in this hypothetical, I'm
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: calling you the mall manager and I'm just going to
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: be your enforcer.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You call the shots. I'll just... I'll be the muscle
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and I'll enforce them for you.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Cause you've got, you know, no, we're not going to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: wait around on the meat and we're not going to
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: wait around this. You're going to, you're going to work
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: or you're going to, you're going to bounce, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: tell your story walking. That's how you work or the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: road work or the road is what it's going to be.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I have a neighbor who's a Navy SEAL and he,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: he always has to say, he's like, well, in the apocalypse,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I know I don't have all this stuff, but I
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: do have all the guns. So after the apocalypse, I'll
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: have all the guns and all the stuff.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Amanda, was there anything else in the lettuce road trip?
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: No, no, that's and Matt really hit the nail on
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: the head there with the we're going into this with
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: the cinematic knowledge.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: We know what happens in this movie.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: We know way more than these characters do in a
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: real life situation like this. We can talk all we want, but,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: you know, we don't have that inside information already.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: So, you know, we can say we would do this.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: We would do that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: We would do that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Would we do it quick enough?
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: To even survive that six to 12 month who knows
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: who knows it's something i hope we never have.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: To worry about knock on wood.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: And then there's the endings you know that obviously the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: endings and i know amanda uh we were we were
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: all kind of talking because matt's like wait what what's
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: what's going on here So the endings are going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: vary a little bit because we all know the hopeful ending, right?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Peter and Fran, they get in the helicopter, they escape.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And it's not meant to be a happily ever after
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: because it's more like, hey, they're moving on. They're not thriving,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: but they're just surviving because we don't know how much
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: fuel they're going to get.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: They don't even know where they're going, right? But you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: got to remember.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The main difference between some of these cuts is where
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Peter kind of has that sacrificial moment and then decides, Nope,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going to live. I'm going to, I'm going to
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: fight through it. Um, that's not the case in, in
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: all of it. And I don't, I don't want to,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'd like, I'd love to, uh, cue Amanda up for that. But, um,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: they are the Argento cut. I can tell you this. Um, it's,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: there's almost no trace of him having that sacrificial moment
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: because it's, again, Argento's cut is fast.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It's slick.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: He wants to keep the tension up and he doesn't
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: want to, he cut, he cuts out a lot of,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: exposition with the characters and reflection type type uh scenery
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: so but he wasn't always supposed to you know he
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't always supposed to survive but actually both of them
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: weren't supposed you know amanda do you want to talk
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: about what could have could have happened.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: So the alternate ending was actually the original scripted ending.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: And it was it was partially shot, never fully edited, though.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: So the fate, as Chuck had mentioned, of the characters,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: completely different. Peter ends up committing suicide by shooting himself.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: He doesn't break away at the final, you know, final moment.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: and run for the helicopter. And Fran, because she's desperate,
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: and obviously out of options at that point, or at
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: least she feels she is, she steps directly into the
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: spinning blades of the main roof, or the helicopter that's
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: on the main roof, decapitating herself.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, known as the head explosion helicopter. Exactly.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Because never, never wanting to, you know, put anything to
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: waste at all. They ended up using that effect and
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: that the head that they had cast for that for
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: the exploding head in the beginning when they're in the apartments.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So that was where Wooly, I think, shoots. Is it
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Miguel Lato?
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And like his head just kind of goes. So they
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: just painted it like, you know, like an African-American put
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a wig on it. But the head molding was from Galen, correct?
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Yep, correct.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: And here's the, in looking more into this, so I
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: had heard about the alternate ending. I knew what happened
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: in the alternate ending. What I didn't realize was the
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: final shot of this alternate ending, the helicopter engine actually
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: sputters and dies because it's out of gas. That even
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: if they had fled- they would have run out of
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: fuel midair or wherever and had to make an emergency
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: landing crash, who.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Knows, whatever.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: So absolute pitch black, just ending there, just devastating, horrendous, um,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: The reason that they ended up changing it, and there's
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: this horror lore that goes around that the producers and
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: the people that were actually distributing the film wanted a
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: change because they didn't think that that bleak ending... You know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: in the same vein as Night of the Living Dead
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: was going to do well, they wanted a more optimistic,
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: upbeat ending.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Apparently, that's not true at all.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: It was Romero's pivot from the start because he ended
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: up through filming grew to love those characters so much
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: that he couldn't see either of them doing the scripted ending.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: And he didn't want them to suffer that fate. So
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: he himself is the one who changed it. Because out
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: of love for the characters and the tone that the
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: entire movie took, in his words, kind of a comic
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: book energy. And that ending did not fit the tone
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: of the rest of that, you know, the rest.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Of the movie.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think it's hard for Romero, after he
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: spent all the time with these characters, how do you
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: end it with the death of a pregnant woman who's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: basically the last one standing?
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You just can't, you know?
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he would also kind of be repeating
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: himself a little bit from, as you were saying, Night
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of the Living Dead, which is a downer of a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: flick because not only do you have a child killing
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the mother and, you know, Dwayne getting shot and thrown
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: on the pile of zombies at the end, it's a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: very down ending because you survived the night only to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: be killed by humans. So, you know, I... I'm really
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: glad he didn't do that to these two characters.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: No matter what happens, their fate is kind of sealed anyways.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, the end of man is there. Maybe they
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: make it to Florida and make it into a Day
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: of the Dead scenario.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Who knows?
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: But it's bleak no matter what, but at least you
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: don't have to witness them giving up.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: They still have hope.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: It's the live to fight another day mentality. I hope
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the best for them. What was the ending? Okay, to
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: talk about the sequel just a little bit. If I remember,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: because I only saw it one time, I remember that
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: they were, is this the one where they're on a
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: boat at the end and then they get to an
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: island and then they all.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Get attacked by zombies?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the remake is they make it to the harbor,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: they get on the boat, the found footage tells us
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: they ran out of gas, they find an island, they dock,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and it's already overrun with zombies. So their escape is
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: just No escape at all.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: But as is true with a lot of remakes, you
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: don't give it about anybody in that movie anyways.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: So who cares?
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Who cares?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: You don't, well, you don't like being rhymes or what about,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: what about our lead, our lead guy?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Who's like, I sell television sets at best spot. You
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: don't the unlikely hero. You're not a fan.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: No, no, I don't feel the connection. I just don't.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: I think that's where Romero shines.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So this is the part where Matt says something about why,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like sequels because they always, they always are
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: just bad. And if it, and it's not only a sequel,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: it's a remake. So the other reason you want to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: save your, your people is you've made a significant financial
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: investment and it's really hard to make a sequel with that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: If you killed everybody off in the last one, you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: have to have somebody holding the torch, even if you're
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: not going to use them ultimately. But the thing about
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Zack Snyder's remake, which which I'm a fan, I like it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: I like it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I just I think I think what we're missing. And Chuck,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: you mentioned like that Star Wars for 77 4K. I
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: would love I don't know what the connective tissue would be,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but I would love I always look at these movies
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: as this is a group of survivors that made their
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: way to a mall in Pittsburgh.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And this is a group of survivors that made their
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: way to a mall in Los Angeles.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: They're in Milwaukee. It was a big, big deal.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: Milwaukee.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: But so it's like I like the idea that it's
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it's two different groups. And I'd love to see like
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a supercut where we're kind of going back and forth.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I don't know.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Again, you need some kind of connective tissue like like
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a radio or someone's talking to someone somehow. But I
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: love the idea that there's two groups of people out
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: there that have the same idea and trying to survive.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I think there's enough creative energy on this podcast that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: we could all get together and just record some dialogue.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: It would be like a radio, like someone's listening to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the radio and we can crossfade it back and forth.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Some of this was done in The Walking Dead, right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: So there's sequels and the spinoffs from The Walking Dead.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. Good point, Matt.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I stopped watching it after a while because, again, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: think I covered this in the podcast before. One of
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the most successful series on television viewed by literally hundreds
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: of millions of people raking in cash and they couldn't
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: afford to spend money on a hundred extras. I was
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: so angry about it. It's like they're paying some star
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: $ 20 million an episode for a stupid rom-com series. They're
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: paying a million dollars an episode for four people to
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: hang around on a couch. And they can't spend twenty
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: five dollars a person to have a bunch of people
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: walking around in a in a borrow pit because it
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: would be too expensive.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Twenty five dollars. Give them T-shirt.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Well, exactly. And they'd be happily be in it. But
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: they could they wouldn't do it. They were so cheap.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: And those showrunners, they just disgusted me. They were just ridiculous.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: It was such a money grab. I really, really soured
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: me on that. television production in general how how cheesy
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: it was when you have this untold million spent on
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: a bunch of nimrods on a couch you're not going
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: to spend a a sandwich in a t-shirt for a
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: thousand people to mill around in the bottom of a
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: of a quarry you know it just drove me crazy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: But matt if someone can get a bow back together
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: and we can have like a friends undead Like, what's
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: that fun-loving group at Central Park doing when the zombies
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: hit New York?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And they're trapped in that apartment building? They're done for.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I'll be there for you? Not really. It's survival of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the fittest. Are you done yet? Because I'm going to
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: go ahead and cannibalize you. How you doing?
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: A question in poor taste. Where's Matthew Perry?
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Is he with the friends in Central Park or is
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: he undead?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He's walking around. Oh, Amanda. Where's the call with Matthew Perry?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Too soon. Too soon. I know.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm like, hmm.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Amanda basically is like, we were just talking about Romero's
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: darker ending.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: How can I get back to that? How can I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: take that and go up one more notch?
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: It was just a question.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I like the idea of zombie Ross trying to take
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: out zombie Rachel and just being like, we were on
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Very funny. It's a cinematic flashback.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Let the show begin. All right, guys.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: So we're closing out the pod here and I want
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: to do something a little bit fun. Yeah, we know
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: the mall's infrastructure will give out. We all agreed probably
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: six to 12 months we've got. But let's be real.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: The actual biggest threat in the apocalypse is sitting across
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: from me on my iPad screen right now. So to
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: close out the show, let's play a quick round of
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: how well do you know? Your host and co-host. We're
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: going to play a little game of rapid fire. Most
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: likely two scenarios if we were in Dawn of the Dead.
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: No explanations. Just shout out the first person's name you
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: can think of.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Okay. On this panel.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Only on this panel, though. Okay. First question, and we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: going to go through this quick.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Most likely to pull a full MacGyver and solve a
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: total crisis with a coat hanger, a car battery, and
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: pure brain power.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: Matt.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: I'm going Matt.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: Matt.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Most likely to pause mid-crisis to cite a famous auteur
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: director and solve our problems with high cinema.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Chuck. Jeff. One of the two of us.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Most likely to stare at a real zombie and unironically
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: compliment Tom Savini's makeup work.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Amanda.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Jeff.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I would say Amanda. Amanda, the slasher girl.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Most likely to identify an obscure 70s character actor in
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: a horde and start delivering director's commentary.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: Jeff.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Are you are you calling people? Wait,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Are you?
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I did.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Are you saying it's Jeff? Are you saying Jeff answer?
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: I'm saying Jeff is going to look at one of
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: those zombies in the back and deliver a whole commentary
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: on what he thinks that character is about.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. I concur.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking it's Chuck. Wait, because we're going to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: see someone that looks like a 70s actor, right?
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's got to be someone from the cinematic flashback.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: That's true. Okay.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: Most likely to treat our actual survivor scenario like a
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: lost 80s cult classic.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Jeff.
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: Me.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Jeff.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Most likely to start recording daily podcast recaps, even though
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: literally no one is left alive to listen.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: Hmm.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Chuck.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Chuck.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: That's Chuck. Yeah, Chuck. I'd say Jeff.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a text message from Chuck. We're recording on Saturday.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Chuck, the apocalypse this year. We're not recording.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Guys, guys, for posterity. Someone's going to find this sometime.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Someone's going to find this lost tape here.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Most likely to lose their mind from isolation first and
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: start talking to Nordstrom mannequins.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say Amanda. Matt's holding his hand up.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Matt. I love solitude.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: I feel like Matt, not because he's going to lose
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: his mind, but because he's going to have all this
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: knowledge up there.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: He's going to want to talk to somebody.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: He's going to talk it out. Yeah, he just needs
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: an audience.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: Most likely to treat the zombie invasion like a sport
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: and keep a running scoreboard on the wall.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Right here. Is there any doubt? I'm your guy.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Most likely to get bitten in the first 24 hours
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: trying to pet a zombie animal.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Amanda, that's come on.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: 100%. That's me.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Amanda's like, the dogs are fine, guys.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: You've seen that meme that's going around like, you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: my last words are going to be, you know, hold
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: my beer while I pet this bear.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: That's me.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: No, Matt's going, hey, I saw Pet Sematary. Don't pet
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that thing. It's dead. Look at him. He's so cute.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: He's so cute, though. He just needs a brushing.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Most likely to raid high-end boutiques just to wear immaculate
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: outfits around the empty food court.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: That goes to me.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: There's no debate there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: If you follow Amanda the Slasher Girl on Instagram, you
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: know she's all about fashion.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it. You're like Peter with that mink coat. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah, totally.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Amanda in the Peter mink coat. Yes.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: Most likely to hoard and aggressively defend a secret stash
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: of Cinnabons.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: And I think we established in the podcast that that
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: would be Jeff.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, sugar, glucose, I'm giving you all the salad, though.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I'll take it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Most likely to hijack a department store intercom to act
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: as the group's personal DJ.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be me.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Chuck, can we, well, it's only people on this pod. Yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: because I would say that, too. But that's Deaf Dave.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if it's not Deaf Dave, it's Chuck Bryan.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Only a couple more here. Most likely to blow our
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: cover on a stealth mission because they can't stop laughing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: All of us? I know, right?
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Well, all I can say is my jaws hurt right
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: here now. I really wanted to end because my mouth
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: hurts from smiling.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Most likely to raid Dick's Sporting Goods to build ridiculously
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: elaborate zombie traps.
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: Matt. Matt.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Matt.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: That's me.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Most likely to forget where we parked the getaway helicopter.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Me. If I couldn't take a picture of where it's at.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: We're screwed.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Most likely to turn the atrium into a CrossFit box
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: and challenge everyone to protein-fueled squat-offs.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's between Amanda and Jeff.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: We'll be correcting each other's form even though we're being
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: chased by zombies.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Most likely to ditch the emergency plan 10 minutes before
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: because they had a better idea.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: That might be me.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Matt, pivot.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I can see Matt going, hold on, guys. Although I'm
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: typically pretty, I'm pretty hard on a plan. I pretty
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: much stick to a plan. Chuck can tell you. I'll
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: have to go down with a ship on the plan.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: No, no. We said we were going to deliver on Tuesday.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: That is what we're going to do. But none of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the tests succeeded. Don't care. We're delivering. Stick to the plan, man.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Stick to the plan. Amanda, thank you for putting that together.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You bet. Yeah, that was hilarious. Thank you all for
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: coming back tonight. And I appreciate everybody there. So this
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: is this was fun.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you.