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The Crime of Star Wars · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello there, Welcome to the nerd Party. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: This is Nick and Ostasy, you lead editor and writer
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  Speaker 2: on mal shadow Lord, and you're listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast that is
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  Speaker 3: your guide to the inner workings and the deepest depths
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  Speaker 3: of the Star Wars galaxy, far far away here on
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  Speaker 3: the nerd Party Network. I am one of your hosts,
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  Speaker 3: the humble Jedi Master John Mills, and joining me on
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  Speaker 3: this fine exploration today is my dear friend and revered
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  Speaker 3: Jedi scholar, Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Matt are you ready
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  Speaker 3: for another one of our zany topics today.
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  Speaker 1: John, Ima, I'm just I couldn't be more ready. It's
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  Speaker 1: especially you know when I don't really know what coming.
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  Speaker 1: And so yeah, let's dive right in, man, because I'm
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  Speaker 3: us at the nerd party dot com, slash contact. So, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: we're you know, we're We've gotten a lot of Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars content since Disney purchased. I know that there are
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  Speaker 3: people catterwall about this or that about it, but we're
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  Speaker 3: getting more Star Wars content than we're even used to.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, your mileage may vary with everything.
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  Speaker 3: But one of the things that's very interesting that's shaped up,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the exploration of the Underworld, which we know
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  Speaker 3: was very near and dear to Lucas's own heart and
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  Speaker 3: where he was planning to take the sequel trilogy. I
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  Speaker 3: would say that the first really big kick in the
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  Speaker 3: door moment with it was with Solo a Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: story and the Clone Wars obviously season seven. Well, now
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  Speaker 3: that we've given a few more years for this to mature,
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  Speaker 3: we now find ourselves at another inflection point where we
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  Speaker 3: have two major releases in twenty twenty six mal Shadow
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  Speaker 3: Lord the series and Mandalorian and Grogu, the first Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars movie to make it to the big screen and
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  Speaker 3: out of development hell in seven years, and we see
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  Speaker 3: the Underworld the big bad in both of them, and
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  Speaker 3: we've seen different receptions to the material. My question to
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  Speaker 3: you is, do you think that the exploration of the
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  Speaker 3: underworld of Star Wars is more accessible to audiences as
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  Speaker 3: a streaming series than it is on the big screen
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  Speaker 3: because audiences expect an empire or a Sith or something
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  Speaker 3: big when they go to the movies, and so Underworld
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  Speaker 3: doesn't play as well for people paying for movie tickets.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is a really interesting question.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of people that I
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  Speaker 1: had talked to friends of mine, big Star Wars fans.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that you know, even
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  Speaker 1: the even they somewhat found frustrating was the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like to them the stakes were so low
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  Speaker 1: in the Mandalorian and Grogu, which you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: is interesting. And I think it's interesting because I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a broader discussion that this taps into, right, because
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  Speaker 1: you think about what large franchise films have kind of
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  Speaker 1: trained people to expect, which is world ending dilemmas. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you think of the superhero movie genre, which has done that.
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  Speaker 1: But what I found interesting in this, right is that
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think Marvel is the maybe the closest
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  Speaker 1: thing that we could look to, and you know, many
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  Speaker 1: of those films don't have necessarily world ending dilemmas. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of them do, but not all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I think you even think of like the original Thor movie,
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  Speaker 1: it feels much more localized, you know, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: the original Hulk movie more localized, you know, and you're
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  Speaker 1: talking You're not talking about like the world's gonna end
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so it's interesting to me because
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  Speaker 1: one of the aspects that of course with the solo
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  Speaker 1: film was very much that this was a story about
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  Speaker 1: a character. Right, It's not a story about us trying
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  Speaker 1: to expand the Star Wars universe beyond what the story
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  Speaker 1: for this character, right, And how he fits into kind
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  Speaker 1: of the larger hole. And yet I don't see. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that the underworld is less cinematic than the Empire.
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  Speaker 1: And that reason is is that I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: real depth to what's happening in the underworld that rivals
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  Speaker 1: what's going on on the other side of the galaxy,
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  Speaker 1: in the sense between the rebellion and and the Empire.
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  Speaker 1: There's this whole other faction that's involved with that, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I think obviously you can utilize the Empire and
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  Speaker 1: the in the way that it's uh you using those things,
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  Speaker 1: or as we sing in the Mandalorian grogu right where
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's another faction now where you have the
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  Speaker 1: Imperial Remnant, you've got the underworld actions of gangsters and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like the huts, and then you've got the new,
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  Speaker 1: fledgling New Republic. And so to me, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: not that it's it's less cinematic. I think it does
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  Speaker 1: just come down to and maybe maybe this is a
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  Speaker 1: question for you, is it that Star Wars hasn't done
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  Speaker 1: a good enough job of seemingly to have a narrative
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  Speaker 1: focus enough to draw people in, Because maybe here again
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  Speaker 1: This is my close Marvel association with this. Right, nobody
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  Speaker 1: had a problem with the smaller Marvel movies in the
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  Speaker 1: Infinity saga. Right, nobody went and saw the original ant
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  Speaker 1: Man and was like, well, that's not big enough for me. No,
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  Speaker 1: it was just about whether or not it was a
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  Speaker 1: good movie because it few into the larger hole and
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  Speaker 1: they kind of understood how that was happening. And is
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  Speaker 1: this more a question about the narrative focus of Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars than it is necessarily whether or not the underworld
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  Speaker 1: is cinematic enough for big screen get.
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  Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, and I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: valid way to look at it. I like you're using
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  Speaker 3: the ant Man example, because that wasn't a world ender
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  Speaker 3: that was going to happen there. It was you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was a smaller stakes movie as it were, But
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  Speaker 3: I think you might be hitting on something about the
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  Speaker 3: narrative aspect of it. Ant Man, though the stakes were smaller,
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  Speaker 3: was very obviously sold and constructed as but it's part
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  Speaker 3: of this larger puzzle, and I think that where things
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  Speaker 3: get a little unmoored, both with solo for the common audience. Now,
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  Speaker 3: keep in mind, I'm not being dismissive of anybody's opinion,
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah, usual blah blah blah, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But Solo, which you know I love. I adore the film.
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  Speaker 1: As do I. We're on the same page in that one.
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  Speaker 3: Solo comes along, it's the fourth one in the cycle,
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  Speaker 3: and we have Empire Comes Back, rehash of the original
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars, Return of the Jedi as if it didn't exist,
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing with the Force awakens. We have Rogue one,
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  Speaker 3: which plugs directly into the original Star Wars, all having
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  Speaker 3: to do with the death Star Plans Giant Stakes again.
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  Speaker 3: Then we have the Last Jedi, which ostensibly I think
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  Speaker 3: the death of the Resistance is on the line. We
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  Speaker 3: understand that from its context. And then Solo comes along,
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  Speaker 3: and that is it's unmoor from the larger film stories
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  Speaker 3: up to that point, because everything has been part of
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  Speaker 3: this one continuous arc and now it's suddenly an unmoored
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  Speaker 3: and mandalorian and Grogu similarly doesn't have something for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people to hook onto. Where does this fit
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  Speaker 3: ant man had the advantage of this fits in here.
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  Speaker 1: This is a movie, you see.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, here's a stinger that will tie
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  Speaker 3: it more together. So maybe there's almost an argument that
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  Speaker 3: they should have had a stinger at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the Mandalorian and Grogu so that people would have said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it's going to tie into, or that's how
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  Speaker 3: it ties into. Whereas mall a truly superior animated series.
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, just we've talked about it. It's phenomenal
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  Speaker 3: in every single way. It's also able to exist on
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  Speaker 3: its own terms because it's a series. It sets up
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  Speaker 3: the time we're in takes and can take the time
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  Speaker 3: to set that up then relate it to the Empire
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  Speaker 3: while keeping it rooted in Maul's story in the underworld.
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  Speaker 3: But we have that hook at least that lets us
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  Speaker 3: know where I am in relation to other things. Mandalorian
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  Speaker 3: and Grogu. People might feel a little disoriented because we
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  Speaker 3: have Empire without Empire, and while we have on screen
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  Speaker 3: moments and dialogue explaining how the Huts were relating to
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  Speaker 3: the whole imperial plot. To borrow a line from Lucas himself,
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  Speaker 3: film is a visual medium. I didn't have a scene
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  Speaker 3: of the Huts talking to the imperials to tie it
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  Speaker 3: together visually that the two go together, and so you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily blame an audience for saying where does
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  Speaker 3: this belong? Because to flip that on its head, you
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  Speaker 3: bring up Marvel. Marvel's whole business is simply laying something
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  Speaker 3: in front of you with the very loud declaration of
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  Speaker 3: where it belongs in the narrative timeline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting though, too, because I think that with the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian and then of course the film, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: very much fits in with everything that was done in
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  Speaker 1: the series, right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh very much, so very much so.
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  Speaker 1: In that it's not necessarily a surprise, I think. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I think the question that you're asking though, does it
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  Speaker 1: work better on the small screen or is it big
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  Speaker 1: enough for the big screen? I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars as a whole, there's only been one Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars story film that wasn't truly tied to the overall
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  Speaker 1: saga and the sense of you know, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: so deeply a meshed in what's happening with you know
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  Speaker 1: one through six at least, and then you know one
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  Speaker 1: through nine extensively. Uh, And that solo, you know, Rogue
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  Speaker 1: one is just one of those things where it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like it feels so much like it fits, and people
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  Speaker 1: understand that in the sense that it's like, oh, episode
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  Speaker 1: three ended, I watched Rogue one and then I pop in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a new Hope, and so because it's so seamless,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it literally ends where the next one begins.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think, and this is probably something that
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  Speaker 1: would have worked better if Disney and Lucasfilm had really
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  Speaker 1: gotten their stuff together and been able to release more
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  Speaker 1: of these Star Wars story films telling you know, you
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  Speaker 1: think about if Kenobe had come out as a film,
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  Speaker 1: and a Bubba Fett movie had come out, and all
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  Speaker 1: of these things that were you know, supposedly in the
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  Speaker 1: works but then never came out. It's you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you ask that question, I think it has more to
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  Speaker 1: do with the studio not being able to actually deliver
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  Speaker 1: on the promises that it made, and therefore it hurt
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  Speaker 1: its own box office return because people did come to
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  Speaker 1: only kind of expect Galaxy spanning stories on the big
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  Speaker 1: screen because you didn't really make other than Rogue one
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  Speaker 1: and Solo, any other stories. And every other time you
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  Speaker 1: tried to and it was announced, it didn't even get made.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't even you know, go into production, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that also comes down to the issue
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  Speaker 1: that we're kind of struggling with here in the question.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I again, I've said this before. I think we've
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  Speaker 3: both said this before. Whatever doesn't matter. But actually I
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  Speaker 3: think I even wrote a blog about it. But like,
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  Speaker 3: the real joy of the Mandalorian and Krogu is that
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  Speaker 3: they released a movie at all. People should be going
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  Speaker 3: and celebrating it and seeing it if they're fans, simply
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  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, thank you, Okay, you're functional again.
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  Speaker 3: You've got your act together, and it's it made it
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  Speaker 3: to the big screen. Hooray and hazah, thank you, we
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  Speaker 3: appreciate you. I'm being silly, of course, people should never
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  Speaker 3: feel obliged to go see a movie that's the silliest
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  Speaker 3: thing in the whole world. But I think that what
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  Speaker 3: I would hope is that Mandalorian and Grogu does well
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  Speaker 3: enough that it proves that we don't need need to
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  Speaker 3: keep it as just the rebellion slash Resistance and Empire
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  Speaker 3: slash First Order, right, and we don't even need to
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  Speaker 3: keep it as a Jedi or Sith focused story. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Grogu is a Force user and That's another thing that
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  Speaker 3: I will absolutely taut for big screen Star Wars as
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  Speaker 3: well as for the sake of solo Star Wars story
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  Speaker 3: is it moves the Force user narrative away from Jedi
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  Speaker 3: and Sith and re establishes that this galaxy simply has
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  Speaker 3: magic in it and I don't need to expect to
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  Speaker 3: see a lightsaber battle. And if I see somebody wave
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  Speaker 3: their hand and something moves, it's not weird. It's oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's just the thing that's part of this. It's you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's somebody that can use magic. Cool. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think that there's also something where I think that, and
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  Speaker 3: this is where I'm going to like suddenly veer off.
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  Speaker 3: But I think where they could really help themselves is
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  Speaker 3: if they started releasing short features, like twenty five minute
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  Speaker 3: long features episode length basically of different Star Wars adventures
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  Speaker 3: in front of other movies, and you could therefore flesh
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  Speaker 3: out this whole idea of the criminal galaxy going on.
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  Speaker 3: So I go into let's say it's the next Marvel movie,
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  Speaker 3: and for twenty five minutes in front of it, I
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  Speaker 3: have something having to do with the Huts, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just a little Star Wars short and yeah, people are
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  Speaker 3: coming and going and bringing their popcorn in and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. But I think that it would just go
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  Speaker 3: a long way toward where we have to hammer through
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  Speaker 3: this wall because Starfighter is going to throw us back
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  Speaker 3: to dealing with the Empire again or first Order, one
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  Speaker 3: of the two whatever, first Order, Final Order, side Order.
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  Speaker 3: It's a side order. Oh there we go. I just
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  Speaker 3: invented a new version of the Empire, the Side Order,
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  Speaker 3: and their calling card is that they chop people up
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  Speaker 3: like potatoes. And there you go. It's a side order. Ow.
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  Speaker 3: You know, hey, man, you know prize them right there
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  Speaker 3: you go. Hey, there's your tagline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, it's a happy meal too. So I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's the best of all possible worlds. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: Starfighter is going to reset it again. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: throw ourselves back toward the rebellion, resistance and Empire first
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  Speaker 3: order thing. And it's like, okay, I'm personally more of
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  Speaker 3: you know, this isn't the original question or anything. I
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  Speaker 3: think that audiences will containe you to point Luca's film
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  Speaker 3: toward making their big screen stuff centered around Empire, rebel,
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  Speaker 3: Jedi Sith sort of stuff. Am I being pessimistic or
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  Speaker 3: do you agree? Do you think that Mandalorin and Grogu
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  Speaker 3: and mal shadow Lord are strong enough statements to move
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  Speaker 3: people away from staying stuck in that rut.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would hope that that's the case, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would absolutely hope that we're able to do that,
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  Speaker 1: that we're able to just kind of move away from that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the thing that's important about that is
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  Speaker 1: that it allows the galaxy to expand and for them
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  Speaker 1: to be able to tell more stories, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the thing that's the most interesting aspect of this,
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  Speaker 1: right And you know, I think both you and I
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  Speaker 1: have heard many people discuss this idea and desire more
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  Speaker 1: and and desire for there to be more from the
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars Galaxy than just these things we've seen. And
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  Speaker 1: I would like to see it, you know, I would
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  Speaker 1: like for that to continue, because I think it is
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  Speaker 1: really interesting storytelling in all honesty. For me, so far,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that I've really enjoyed about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Mall show and then what they did with the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian and Grogu is that they're expanding the universe and
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  Speaker 1: they're allowing us to tell different types of stories. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's good for the Star Wars universe because
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  Speaker 1: I think it needs that, right, it needs to be
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  Speaker 1: able to grow and move and expand. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things like when you
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  Speaker 1: think of you know, we've talked about many times. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a real success for the Expanded Universe because
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  Speaker 1: it allowed people to explore other parts of the galaxy
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  Speaker 1: that that Skywalker saga didn't and people liked that. People
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed that, and people had a good time with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that it was clear, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: that was the only Star Wars you could get, it
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  Speaker 1: was really popular. Yeah, it kept Star Wars alive, and
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  Speaker 1: it also I think created a hunger for people in
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  Speaker 1: many ways to have more of that type of material.
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  Speaker 1: I think again, one of the things that we you know,
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  Speaker 1: see here in what Disney has done is that it
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  Speaker 1: was almost like they were afraid to capitalize on the
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  Speaker 1: success that the Expanded Universe had and they felt like
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  Speaker 1: they immediately just had to go back to doing the
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  Speaker 1: same but quote unquote different, you know, and if they had,
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  Speaker 1: I think opened the door for this type of storytelling earlier.
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  Speaker 1: I think it probably would have just been you know,
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  Speaker 1: really beneficial for them, and we wouldn't have been having
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  Speaker 1: to have, you know, these types of discussions because fans.
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  Speaker 1: They would have prepared fans, and they would have enabled
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  Speaker 1: fans to be easily accepting of different types of Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars storytelling. And they just you know, I think really
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  Speaker 1: what it comes down if you ask me, they just
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  Speaker 1: didn't do a great job of that. And that's really
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  Speaker 1: what's kind of hurt things in general. And so and
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  Speaker 1: the sad part about it is is that you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at the Mall show. We've got some
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  Speaker 1: interns at work at church where I work this year, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and a few of them are big Star Wars fans,
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  Speaker 1: and man, they love the Mall show. They think it's
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  Speaker 1: so good. You know, it's like they're they're they're talking
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  Speaker 1: about it like it's you know, it's one of and
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  Speaker 1: and it's true, it's one of the best things that
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  Speaker 1: they've ever seen in Star Wars. And as kids who
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  Speaker 1: grew up with the Clone Wars, right and so that
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  Speaker 1: and they love it, man, And so I I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's that generation of Star Wars fan that
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  Speaker 1: has is predisposed now to kind of want this type
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  Speaker 1: of storytelling.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
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  Speaker 1: And I think if Star Wars is smart, it continues
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  Speaker 1: to give them that kind of story telling so that
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  Speaker 1: it can expand its audience as well, you know, because
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you know what, dudes like you and I are are
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: getting older and so we're we're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to be fans forever. And if you want the franchises, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be watching from the nether world of the forest,
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  Speaker 3: thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus is a huge fan.
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine, So you know, I trust that that's
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  Speaker 3: the case, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would hope. So yeah, but you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I'll have more to talk about with them, I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I just think it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where you know, you do need to continue to
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  Speaker 1: create more fans, right, I mean, I think superhero movies
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  Speaker 1: are in this in this predicament as well. Right, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of people going to superhero movies are people in
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  Speaker 1: their forties and fifties. Well, that's not sustainable in the
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  Speaker 1: long run. So you do need to create new fans.
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  Speaker 1: And if you know, the kids that I've known that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: really love Star Wars, the stuff that they gravitate towards
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: is the stuff they grew up with, which is the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: animated stuff and everything. And it's not just that it's
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  Speaker 1: on TV, but it's like it's good story telling and
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  Speaker 1: they're really enjoying it, and so like, oh, for sure,
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  Speaker 1: you just do good storytelling on the big screen. That's
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  Speaker 1: what's gonna matter. And I think, you know, hopefully they'll
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  Speaker 1: they'll be able to do that because I want, and
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  Speaker 1: I know you do too, just want more freaking Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars on the big screen because in the end, it
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: really does belong there, you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Know, well, it does in earlier you mentioned the expanded universe.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna give a
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  Speaker 3: little tease for everybody here and also put a little
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: timeline on you. But in our next episode, in case
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: anybody wants to dust off their cliff notes or go
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to Wikipedia or Wookipedia or Lucasfilm Wikipedia or whatever pedia
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you want to and check out the nineteen ninety the
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: entry about the nineteen ninety five Kevin J. Anderson Star
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Wars book Dark Saber. We are going to be discussing
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it because that book's been around for more than three
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  Speaker 3: decades at this point, and it's very relevant to the
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  Speaker 3: conversation we were having today about expanding the universe, bringing
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  Speaker 3: in huts of all people, how they tie into the Empire,
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  Speaker 3: and all of those sorts of things. So, Matt, if
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  Speaker 3: people want to send some advanced questions to you for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: our discussion about Kevin j Anderson's Dark Saber, where can
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: they reach you online?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hit me up all over social media and are
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: named Matt Rushing Serve two. Of course, you can also
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: find me here on the network with a show called
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Owlpost talk about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You also find me on the TFM network talking about
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. One place you can find
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: me is the six h two Club talking about all
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of the franchises we love. And of course you find
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: me a lot of great Star Trek talk over there
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: with my good friend Chris Jones. But John, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if people wanted to talk about you know what hut
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  Speaker 1: you might gravitate towards most in the Star Wars galaxy,
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  Speaker 1: where could people find you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, why on earth would you think it would be
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  Speaker 3: anybody but zero? The hut?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I do declaria.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I miss God rest Zero, May he live forever in
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: our hearts. But you can find me as kessel Junkie
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  Speaker 3: on your social network of choice. The ones I love
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: most are Letterboxed and Goodreads. You can find me over
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: at my blog Kesseljunkie dot com, and you can find
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: me here on the network, co hosting a show called
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: house Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser. And I
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: would love if everybody tried that one out because as
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: we record this, we are in the middle of our
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Summer of Batman, where we are going through all of
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the Batman incarnations and talking about how different directors dealt
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: with him, and it's really a lot of fun. And
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: so you know, with that Master Rushing, I need to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: go and I need to do you brush up one
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: last time on my cliff Notes for Dark Saber. So
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's time to close these negotiations.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: John, negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.
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  Speaker 3: Do cliff Notes even exist still