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A Stunning Temple Discovery | Adam Berkowitz | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast Today. Moder Gonzalez here
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Speaker 2: in the studio, and I have a good friend Adam
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Speaker 2: Burkwitz all the way from Israel, who's going to be
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Speaker 2: discussing I think a very fascinating topic. Before I get
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Speaker 2: to Adam, and just want to remind everybody about a
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Speaker 1: Adam.
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Speaker 2: For our audience who might not know you at all,
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Speaker 2: maybe introduce yourself, okay.
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Speaker 1: I am the features article writer for Israel three sixty
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Speaker 1: five News, formerly Breaking Israel News. I've been doing that
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Speaker 1: for thirteen years, written well over six thousand articles. I
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Speaker 1: written four book, three books of fiction, two books of
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Speaker 1: non fiction. First one was about Red Heifer and this
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Speaker 1: one is about Project Camran about the Incense. Yeah. I've
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Speaker 1: been in Israel since nineteen ninety one. I served as
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Speaker 1: a combat medic I was a former classically trained French
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Speaker 1: chef in New York City. Not always religious, but I'm
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Speaker 1: married in four amazing children, and i live in the Golan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is awesome. For those of you,
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Speaker 2: again who don't know Adam, I certainly recommend going to
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Speaker 2: Israel three sixty five website. I follow them along. I'm
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Speaker 2: on the email list, and Adam and I have talked
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Speaker 2: before because we both wrote books on the Red Heifer,
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Speaker 2: and Adam was one of my main sources for sure
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Speaker 2: in all this.
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Speaker 1: So you did, you did very well. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: I deserve that accolade, but yeah, no, very well. It's
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Speaker 1: a good book. Good But actually, if I can say
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Speaker 1: one more thing about that, Yeah, you're one of the
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Speaker 1: you're one of the few people who got it right
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Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people and still a
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Speaker 1: lot of people talking about the Red Heifer, and there
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Speaker 1: were a lot of lies out there, a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: and there was just like you see a lot of
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic driven lies about Israel. This is religion, and
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of anti Semitic people who just
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Speaker 1: hate the concept of Torah, of Judaism, of Third Temple,
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Speaker 1: and were lying, and they were saying things that were
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Speaker 1: just factually untrue. And you were one of the very
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Speaker 1: very few people on the other side, on the non
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Speaker 1: Jewish side, who was telling accurate, fact based truth. And
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Speaker 1: I really appreciated that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my I really felt the desire because
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Speaker 2: because there was so much confusion, as you know, and
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Speaker 2: of course you and I talked often about it. I
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Speaker 2: was like, hey, I don't want to report something and
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Speaker 2: give me the facts here, and especially even you know,
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Speaker 2: I've talked about this as well as providing you know,
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Speaker 2: the Jewish sources, you know, the talment of the mission
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Speaker 2: and other things and getting it because again for the
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Speaker 2: typical Christian, they don't really know much about that. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, and that's why I felt compelled in the
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Speaker 2: sense of, you know, my undergrad was in Jewish studies,
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Speaker 2: so we studied all these things. It's like, you know,
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Speaker 2: let me let let's bridge the gap here and talk
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Speaker 2: about the perspective. And but this brings up, this kind
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Speaker 2: of brings us to the current topic because you know,
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Speaker 2: you know, from the Christian perspective, we understand clearly that
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Speaker 2: there's going to be a third temple, you know, the
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Speaker 2: New Testament discusses it that it's going to be there
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Speaker 2: in the future. So there's a prophetic element. So we
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Speaker 2: you know, for those of us, not all Christians for sure,
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Speaker 2: but for those of us who read the New Testament
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Speaker 2: very straightforward and even some from the Book of Daniel,
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Speaker 2: there is going to be a temple there. But so
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Speaker 2: it brings up all the discussions that we've had about
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Speaker 2: the Third Temple movement, the Red Head for contribution to
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Speaker 2: that and that. But also it brings up this discussion
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Speaker 2: in talking about this new book that you have and
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Speaker 2: the idea of the incense. People have talked about, well
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Speaker 2: don't they need the incense for the temple. So let's
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Speaker 2: just assume for the moment that nobody knows anything about
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Speaker 2: this this figure Vandal Jones. Some people do, but not.
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Speaker 2: So let's start at the beginning that what's what's the
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Speaker 2: name of the book that you just wrote and kind
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Speaker 2: of introduced the whole idea of what this is about,
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Speaker 2: because I think archaeologically and historically it's it's a pretty
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Speaker 2: neat story.
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Speaker 1: It's this story. When I first heard it, as a
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Speaker 1: writer of fiction, I was just like, I have to
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Speaker 1: have my hands on this it was. It's just such
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Speaker 1: an unbelievable story that has everything in it. The book
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Speaker 1: is called the Catorret Katori de Hebrew for Incense, a
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Speaker 1: source based historical account of the Kumran Incense Discovery, and
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Speaker 1: it was. It's it's available for free download. The people
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Speaker 1: who are running the project their father did the original,
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Speaker 1: the original laboratory testing. So now I'm getting ahead of myself,
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Speaker 1: so let me tell the story. It started in nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty seven. In nineteen sixty seven, Vandall Jones, who was
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Speaker 1: a Texas pastor, evangelical pastor, came to Israel to learn
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Speaker 1: Torah from rabbis and he came just in time for
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Speaker 1: the war, and he volunteered and had some special abilities
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Speaker 1: that helped him with the IDF. I was told it's
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Speaker 1: because he was colorblind. He was able to see through camouflage,
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Speaker 1: so he looked over the border and he could see
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Speaker 1: things that that other people couldn't see. He also suffered
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Speaker 1: hearing loss because of what he was doing, so he
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Speaker 1: was an IDF spotter. And after the war he got
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Speaker 1: a very big interest in archaeology and he was very
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Speaker 1: interested in an area called Kumran, which is right on
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Speaker 1: the Dead Sea the Kumran. Most people believe it was
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Speaker 1: the site of the Essenes. It's very isolated and remote
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Speaker 1: and they're they're not there. There's been a lot of
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Speaker 1: discussion about what actually was going on there. That's where
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Speaker 1: the Dead Sea scrolls were found. So he was very
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Speaker 1: interested in the archaeology there he was able to get.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, he also became a Noahide. He left
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Speaker 1: the mainstream Christianity, became a Noahide and he spent a
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Speaker 1: lot of time going around there, and he began in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two really doing independent excavations at Kumran, and
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Speaker 1: he was working with Israeli archaeologists and in nineteen was
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Speaker 1: it Yes, in nineteen eighty eight he discovered a small
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Speaker 1: ceramic jug, a pottery jug, which he believes was the
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Speaker 1: Sheemin of Farsimon, the per Simone oil. The it's also
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Speaker 1: called Chemin Mischad the anointing oil, which its remains controversial
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Speaker 1: to this day. There's no reason to think that it
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Speaker 1: wasn't okay, seems very clear, which is an amazing discovery.
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Speaker 1: It's a very holy item, very connected to the temple.
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Speaker 1: And he founded in Camran and it's now in the
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Speaker 1: Israel Museum. And he he kept digging in Camran, and
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two he was he was studying the
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Speaker 1: Copper Scroll, which is one of the Dead Sea scrolls,
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Speaker 1: and it's actually engraved in copper, and it's it's sits
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Speaker 1: in Jordan in a museum, but there's it has to
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Speaker 1: be deciphered. It's in a very special kind of Hebrew,
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Speaker 1: and their hints in it. It's basically a treasure map,
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Speaker 1: and our collegies have been trying to decipher it and
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Speaker 1: then they'll had a special take on it. And he
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Speaker 1: thought he found what they called the cave of the column,
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Speaker 1: the twin Caves, which was where the incense was stored.
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Speaker 1: And he was banging around there and you think he
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Speaker 1: found He thought he found where the place was, and
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Speaker 1: pretty much by accident, they stumbled on the cave and
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Speaker 1: they found that it was hidden cave and they started digging,
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Speaker 1: and in nineteen ninety two they after a lot of digging,
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Speaker 1: they found what they called the silo, which was like
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Speaker 1: a pit that they lined with stones, and it was
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Speaker 1: full of an aromatic red dust smelled strongly of cinnamon.
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Speaker 1: And they did what they called a tongue test, which
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Speaker 1: is they put it in their mouth and it dissolved
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Speaker 1: in their mouth, which was because it was organic. And
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Speaker 1: so he found this this material he found there's a
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Speaker 1: bit of a dispute whether it's three hundred kilograms or
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Speaker 1: six hundred kilograms. If you go online, most people will
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Speaker 1: say six hundred kilograms. There's no proving that it was
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Speaker 1: three hundred kilograms, but it seems to be that it
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Speaker 1: was three hundred kilograms. Bendel was kind of fuzzy on
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Speaker 1: details a lot of the time, so he said it
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Speaker 1: was six hundred kilograms, but it probably wasn't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of different for Americans. Let
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Speaker 2: me just say that's like over twelve hundred pounds, so
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Speaker 2: that's a lot of right.
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Speaker 1: But in three hundred kilograms is not quite so much.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting is Professor Marvin Antlman, I'll get to him
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Speaker 1: in a minute. He did the computation and he figured
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Speaker 1: out that according to the talmud according to the Talmudich
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Speaker 1: formula for making the incense, three hundred kilograms was exactly
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Speaker 1: one batch. It was exactly one batch of incense. So
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Speaker 1: they found this, and they also found a coin in
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Speaker 1: the dirt that was from the first Jewish Revolt, which
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Speaker 1: was sixty seven CE, which kind of which helped them
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Speaker 1: to date it. And they found it. And the problem
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Speaker 1: was Vendel had on and off relations with the antiquities authority,
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Speaker 1: and also since it was in, since it was outside
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Speaker 1: of what they call Israel pop proper, and it was in,
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Speaker 1: it came under the auspices of Kogat, the civil authority
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Speaker 1: in Judan Samaria. They pretty much shut him down and
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Speaker 1: they said, we're not going to test this stuff, we're
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Speaker 1: not interested in it. So he said, well, if it start,
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Speaker 1: I'll go use it in my garden. But of course
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Speaker 1: he didn't use it in his garden. There was a
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Speaker 1: bit of a problem with the where it went. It
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Speaker 1: went from one person to the other. No person wanted
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Speaker 1: to keep it for too long because it was wholly
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Speaker 1: insanctified to the temple, and it ended up with his daughter.
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Speaker 1: His daughter converted to Judaism. She lived in Samaria and
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Speaker 1: a small town called male Levona, which is interesting because
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Speaker 1: Levona is one of the components one of the elements
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Speaker 1: of the Temple spies. And it was stored in cardboard
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Speaker 1: boxes in plastic bags in the bomb shelter and it
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Speaker 1: was there for thirty four years. And just before the war,
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Speaker 1: she was an older woman. She was taking out in
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Speaker 1: the hills near her town. She fell and broke her
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Speaker 1: hip and she was in a wheelchair. And when the
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Speaker 1: war broke out, the town had to prepare all which
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Speaker 1: were we talking about this this war, the current one.
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Speaker 1: We're going back not so long ago, three years ago,
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Speaker 1: four years ago, four years ago. They had to prepare
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Speaker 1: the bomb shelters to be used as bomb shelters. So,
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Speaker 1: without her involvement, a crew was sent to the bomb
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Speaker 1: shelter and the boxes were thrown away. Three hundred kilograms
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Speaker 1: of temple incense was thrown away, I should add, and
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Speaker 1: I forgot to say that in nineteen ninety two when
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Speaker 1: he found it. Bendall Jones was very connected to Professor
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Speaker 1: Marvin Anselman as a rabbi, and he's also a brilliant,
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Speaker 1: brilliant scientist. He like hundreds of patents, and he wrote
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Speaker 1: several encyclopedias that are still being used by chemists. And
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Speaker 1: he analyzed it and he came to his conclusion. And
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Speaker 1: there was also a palinologist, which is like organic and
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Speaker 1: identifying plants named Terry hutter Love. I loved him. He
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Speaker 1: was just there's some people I just I feel great
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Speaker 1: after I interviewed them. He's not Jewish, and he for
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Speaker 1: amazing story that I tell him the book about how
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Speaker 1: he contacted Vendal Jones really out of the blue, and
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Speaker 1: Venda was like, we've been praying for you, and he
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Speaker 1: tested it. And in the book there's an appendix where
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Speaker 1: we show his report which shows the pictures and the
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Speaker 1: names of the varieties of plants that were in this
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Speaker 1: material that Vendal Jones found and it precisely matched the
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Speaker 1: incense that as it's listed. There are four organic elements
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Speaker 1: listed in the Torah, and there are a total of
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Speaker 1: eleven organic elements enlisted in the Talmud, and there are
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Speaker 1: an additional three inorganic well not herbal or ingredients like
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Speaker 1: cypress wine, burrit and what they call ale shan which
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Speaker 1: means something that raises up smoke. And these were the
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Speaker 1: inorganic elements. And by the way, he found both the
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Speaker 1: organic elements stored in the silo, and he found the
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Speaker 1: inorganic elements stored off to the side, and he presented
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Speaker 1: them both in containers to Ravvadio Sef, and he said,
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Speaker 1: can I burn it? And Revvadifkave his opinion is biblical opinion,
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Speaker 1: is histora opinion, because according to the Torah, if you
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Speaker 1: burn it for personal reasons, you die. So it was
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Speaker 1: a serious question. He said, That's another thing I want
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Speaker 1: to emphasize in this book. There's a lot of information given.
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Speaker 1: And when you deal the concept of kodesh, the concept
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Speaker 1: of holiness has not been in the world for a
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Speaker 1: very long time. And the return of the Temple, which
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Speaker 1: is happening, we've got to take in mind. We've got
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind that holy items, it's they're not ours.
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Speaker 1: In Hebrew. In total language, holy hektesh means it has
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Speaker 1: been acquired by God, meaning I give an offering. It's
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Speaker 1: now not mine. And it's forbidden to make use of
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Speaker 1: anything that's been sanctified because it doesn't belong to me.
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Speaker 1: It's stealing from God. So anyone who who decides that, oh,
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Speaker 1: I want to make the temple incense, that's not a
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Speaker 1: good idea. I actually I held some of the temple
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Speaker 1: incense that I had found. I went to the bomb
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Speaker 1: shelter and underneath this air conditioning unit, this air unit
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Speaker 1: was a pile of red dust that obviously didn't belong there,
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Speaker 1: and we saved it. And it turns out it's almost
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Speaker 1: probably temple incense, and we needed that had spilled and
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Speaker 1: we need to get it. And there's a big you know,
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Speaker 1: I have true leaders of it, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: just a little bit for my I'm like, what are
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Speaker 1: you stupid?
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Speaker 2: Don't fallow the temptation.
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Speaker 1: It's two temples, Oh my god. And it's a huge temptation,
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Speaker 1: like it's holy. I want to be holy. No, that's
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Speaker 1: not how you get to be holy. You get holy
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Speaker 1: by serving God, not by taking his place. And there's
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Speaker 1: this big inclination oh I want No, it's like seeing
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Speaker 1: this beautiful piece of meat in the temple that you're
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Speaker 1: offering up to God and saying, you know, I'm hungry. No,
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Speaker 1: it's not yours. So the last chapter of the story,
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Speaker 1: vendal Jones's daughter, Sarah Richardson, who had converted to Judaism
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Speaker 1: and was over was watching as guarding the temple incense
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Speaker 1: for over thirty years, and she was also very involved
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Speaker 1: with Bendal Jones's work. Last summer she was murdered man
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Speaker 1: and she was murdered by her own son. So I
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Speaker 1: don't want to say that bad things happen to people
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Speaker 1: who deal with this, but I think you should think
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Speaker 1: twice if you want to treat holy things lightly. It's
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Speaker 1: not yours to mess with. And she was very careful
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Speaker 1: with it. God bless her. She was very careful, very
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Speaker 1: respectful of it. You have to be careful. So that's
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Speaker 1: how it ended. But the reason why they made this
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Speaker 1: book and they made it available as a pre download
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Speaker 1: is the children of Rabbi Anselman want to continue their
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Speaker 1: father's work and they want to he said he did
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Speaker 1: to see in an interview where he said he was certain.
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Speaker 1: He used that word certain it was temple incense, but
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Speaker 1: it's not certain enough to convince other scientists. So he
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Speaker 1: was planning on doing further testing and they never got
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Speaker 1: around to it. And now thirty five years later, the
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Speaker 1: technology has made the testing much better. So they want
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Speaker 1: to find additional samples of it which do exist, and
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Speaker 1: they want to do further testing. It's very expensive, very expensive,
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Speaker 1: and finding the samples and taking it's a lot, but
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Speaker 1: that's what they're planning on doing.
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Speaker 2: Does the So what has been the you know with
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Speaker 2: this latest understanding or discovery. I guess that much of
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Speaker 2: it was tossed out, you know from after October seventh.
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Speaker 2: What has been kind of the reception or the thoughts
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Speaker 2: within the the I would say, let me say, the
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Speaker 2: Temple Institute or have did did they ever have any
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Speaker 2: connection with it or has it been accepted?
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Speaker 1: Or the Temple Institute, the Israel Antiquities Authority, they did
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Speaker 1: not have any connection to this, did they believe it?
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Speaker 1: I am not going to comment on that. Fair enough,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment on that. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to throw throw shade on anyone, sure, especially not people
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Speaker 1: who are doing amazing work. And I don't want to
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Speaker 1: build up a controversy or something like that where there
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Speaker 1: really isn't. But so I think I think it was
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Speaker 1: a missed opportunity. It was a it was a chem
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Speaker 1: saying you know, he, I'm giving you what you need
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Speaker 1: and us not acknowledging or reacting, responding, taking care of it.
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Speaker 1: That's my personal read on it, and I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: blame anyone in particular, but it's a missed opportunity, big time,
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Speaker 1: big time.
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Speaker 2: So so on that note, then, so the you said
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Speaker 2: you have a couple of leaders of it. And then
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Speaker 2: is there any other remnants anywhere that that will that
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Speaker 2: still can be used and that's that's gonna be tested
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Speaker 2: and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vendall was very generous giving out samples.
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Speaker 1: So there are It's like every every week someone else
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Speaker 1: comes to me and say, hey, yeah, I've got a
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Speaker 1: little jar of it. A lot of those little jars
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Speaker 1: like opened up and spilled out. But we but you
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Speaker 1: need a quantity and you also need providence. And Perry,
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Speaker 1: who was Rabbi Anleman's son, amazing man. He was doing
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Speaker 1: research at Vendal Jones's Institute in America when when Vandal
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Speaker 1: Jones's widow Anita came up to him with the little
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Speaker 1: jar and said, please take this back to its home
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Speaker 1: and gave him a jar. So there is there is
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Speaker 1: what to there's also there was a big sample given
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Speaker 1: to Rabbio Vadio Sef which we don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: We haven't really pursued that, but there is there are
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Speaker 1: samples that we can test.
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Speaker 2: Now there's there's a common assumption by many just that
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Speaker 2: as an example with the red heifer ashes, that there
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Speaker 2: has to be some from the old red redheiffer that
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Speaker 2: are combined potentially with the new ashes if a red
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Speaker 2: heifer was offered, you know, and I haven't found any
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Speaker 2: confirmation that that has to be the case. But two things.
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Speaker 2: Number one, is that true with the red heifer, and
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Speaker 2: then is it also true with potential temple incense?
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Speaker 1: Well, considering that there was only one time that they
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Speaker 1: did it without the ashes of the previous heifer, and
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Speaker 1: that was with Mosha with mo Yep. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's what we call the kuva, meaning if
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Speaker 1: you don't have it, it's not kosher. It makes it
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Speaker 1: infinitely more difficult because to get a kohen who is
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Speaker 1: who's pure is really a lot harder than finding a
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Speaker 1: red heifer. That's gonna be a tricky part. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if Christians appreciate we know who the kohanim are.
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Speaker 1: I go around my town and I'm like, he's a Cohen,
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Speaker 1: He's a Cohen, he's a Levite, because we guard that
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Speaker 1: very strongly. The identity as a coin is inscribed on gravestones.
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Speaker 1: If you go to a Jewish cemetery, you'll see a gravestone,
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Speaker 1: and if you don't, even if his name is not cohen.
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Speaker 1: You'll see engraved hands like this, and that means that
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Speaker 1: a coin is buried there. They're very obvious. They can't
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Speaker 1: marry divorcees or converts. They're not allowed to enter a
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Speaker 1: cemetery unless it's an immediate relative. So we know who
23:35
Speaker 1: the coonym are. But they are additional stringencies for someone
23:38
Speaker 1: who will do the red Heifer. They have to be born,
23:43
Speaker 1: not in a synegogue, and not in a hospital, because
23:46
Speaker 1: they're dead people in a hospital and they'll become ritually impure.
23:50
Speaker 1: They can't travel overseas because there's impurity that's at least
23:58
Speaker 1: say conferred when you leave Israel. They can't go into
24:03
Speaker 1: a cemetery. Of course, even flying there usually you'd be surprised.
24:09
Speaker 1: There are usually dead bodies being transported in airplanes. So
24:14
Speaker 1: it's a problem. They can't have gone to war a
24:18
Speaker 1: lot of things anything having to do with dead people.
24:21
Speaker 1: So finding the kohen is very difficult. That's probably even
24:27
Speaker 1: more difficult than finding a red heifer. So and it's
24:31
Speaker 1: also like they just had a red heifer born in
24:33
Speaker 1: the Galilee, and I hate to say it, but there's
24:36
Speaker 1: no way it's kosher because it had an ear tag
24:39
Speaker 1: and that's considered a blemish a moom, so it's probably
24:44
Speaker 1: not gonna but we're still looking.
24:47
Speaker 2: Did did Vendall have did he have any search? Was
24:53
Speaker 2: he searching for the red heifer ashes as well?
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Speaker 1: At all? He was he was continuing his search m hmm.
25:01
Speaker 1: And one of the things he was looking for. There
25:03
Speaker 1: were several items that were mentioned in the in the
25:07
Speaker 1: Copper Skull, and one of them is ashes for the
25:09
Speaker 1: red hafer.
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Speaker 2: But as far as we know, yeah, that's that's that's
25:15
Speaker 2: kind of what I remember going back in the nineties
25:18
Speaker 2: and hearing about, you know, his work. Was there any
25:23
Speaker 2: like in the sense of today? You know, obviously the
25:27
Speaker 2: Torah has the the description of the incense and stuff
25:31
Speaker 2: like that, and the restrictions as we know to keep
25:33
Speaker 2: it sanctified. Do like the Temple Institute, you know, it's
25:38
Speaker 2: I've been there many times, and of course they've they
25:40
Speaker 2: have so many things that they've been working on and
25:42
Speaker 2: produced and you know, the Golden Menorah, et cetera, et cetera.
25:45
Speaker 2: Have they been working on I mean, the incense itself?
25:49
Speaker 2: Or is there some ambiguity as it relates to what
25:52
Speaker 2: those words mean today versus what they meant in ancient times.
25:56
Speaker 1: Not not that I'm aware of. And I have an
26:01
Speaker 1: awful lot of respect for the temple instude. I love
26:03
Speaker 1: them and I respect him, but they're not the only
26:06
Speaker 1: ones trying to bring the temple. I'm actually one of
26:10
Speaker 1: the things I learned from Rhonda Attar is I waste
26:15
Speaker 1: a lot of time. I could be doing a lot
26:17
Speaker 1: more with my life to serve Ashem than what I've
26:20
Speaker 1: been doing. And I'm working with Josh Wander. I don't
26:25
Speaker 1: know if you know Josh. This man, he just he
26:30
Speaker 1: walks around all day doing stuff to bring the temple.
26:33
Speaker 1: He's unbelieve, like preparing stones to build a temple. He
26:37
Speaker 1: has two silver trumpets that he made himself, not with
26:43
Speaker 1: his hands, but that he had commissioned. Since he was
26:47
Speaker 1: making the stones, he knows that in the temple they
26:50
Speaker 1: used stone tensils to eat from because they don't receive
26:56
Speaker 1: ritual impurity. So he had a kiddish cup made out
26:58
Speaker 1: of stone. It's like it's weightlifting. But he just, you know,
27:05
Speaker 1: every time I turn around, he's doing something else to
27:08
Speaker 1: bring the temple. So we're writing a book about that,
27:11
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people out there doing
27:13
Speaker 1: a lot of different things to people aren't aware of it.
27:16
Speaker 1: They make a big deal out of the red heifer, Yes,
27:18
Speaker 1: the red heifer, thank God. And even the incense, yes,
27:21
Speaker 1: the incense, thank God. There's a lot more going on
27:23
Speaker 1: out there. There's a lot more going out on out there.
27:27
Speaker 1: Rediscovering the trail, the blue dye, rediscovering the the tola shani,
27:33
Speaker 1: this crimson dye. These have been done, you know, these
27:37
Speaker 1: have been done. A large part is educating the kohani.
27:43
Speaker 1: There's a there's a practice model Altar and mitzpi Rico
27:52
Speaker 1: where they do practice runs. There's answer if there's so
27:59
Speaker 1: many things. Raising grapes, grapes grown for the wine in
28:05
Speaker 1: the temple were very different than the grapes raised elsewhere.
28:09
Speaker 1: It's actually they're they're raised on the ground. They're not
28:12
Speaker 1: lifted up on they're not lifted up. They're not they're
28:15
Speaker 1: not grown off the ground. There are other requirements. So
28:19
Speaker 1: that's being done. Stuff like that, stuff like that. Is
28:23
Speaker 1: there a wave offerings rediscovering the bread, you know, in
28:28
Speaker 1: anticipation of that.
28:30
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things, no doubt, as we know
28:34
Speaker 2: from you know, the Hebrew Bible and just the all
28:38
Speaker 2: the records contained within that there are thousands millions of
28:44
Speaker 2: animals offered up throughout the centuries in anticipation of that.
28:50
Speaker 2: Is there any increase in you know, I would say
28:53
Speaker 2: animal husbandry for in preparation for the needs that will come.
28:59
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a real big problem. I mean,
29:03
Speaker 1: we could solve that in one season. What I When
29:10
Speaker 1: they built the new airport, it's huge. I don't know
29:14
Speaker 1: if you've been to the new airport. Were you ever
29:17
Speaker 1: in the old airport? Yeah?
29:19
Speaker 2: I mean I was there. My first time was in
29:21
Speaker 2: two thousand and then my last time was twenty.
29:23
Speaker 1: Three, so I don't know if when they built a
29:25
Speaker 1: new airport. But the old airport was really like what
29:29
Speaker 1: they say in Yiddish hamish, it was really homie. It
29:32
Speaker 1: was like every person who came to Israel came out
29:37
Speaker 1: through the same single doorway you're talking about. Yeah, and
29:42
Speaker 1: you have all the families waiting and waving. Yes, you know,
29:45
Speaker 1: it's a family event, and it was very aimius. It
29:49
Speaker 1: was very family. It was very you know. And then
29:53
Speaker 1: they built this new one, which is it's gorgeous and
29:56
Speaker 1: it's huge, and everyone's like, we know why built it?
30:01
Speaker 1: You know, we know what, and they're actually building a
30:04
Speaker 1: high speed train line Israel. I love the trains in Israel,
30:07
Speaker 1: love the trains, and I think it's the best way
30:09
Speaker 1: to get around Israel, better than driving. When I have
30:12
Speaker 1: to go into the office, I take the train and
30:15
Speaker 1: it goes down the coast. I'm like one hundred yards
30:19
Speaker 1: from the beach, the all the way down. It's amazing.
30:22
Speaker 1: And the high speed train line is gonna go directly. Well,
30:27
Speaker 1: they have. The train now goes directly to the airport.
30:32
Speaker 1: You get out, you take an escalator upstairs, you're in
30:34
Speaker 1: the airport. It's amazing. There's like no reason to take
30:38
Speaker 1: a car because you have to traffic and parking. You
30:40
Speaker 1: take the train.
30:43
Speaker 2: Where else would we go from the airport? Will it
30:45
Speaker 2: go all the way to Jerusalem?
30:47
Speaker 1: Woo? Well, first of all, yes, it goes to Jerusalem.
30:51
Speaker 1: But the question is where's it gonna go in Jerusalem.
30:55
Speaker 1: They're building a branch. They were even talking about calling
30:58
Speaker 1: it the Trump Station. That would be not anymore. I
31:02
Speaker 1: don't know directly. You got you know, you gotta gotta
31:05
Speaker 1: acknowledge the good that people do for you. Yeah, it's
31:09
Speaker 1: very very important. And he uh so, there's the there's there.
31:13
Speaker 1: They're they're planning a branch of the air of the
31:16
Speaker 1: train that goes directly to the Temple mount and uh
31:22
Speaker 1: so that would be the big one. And they just
31:25
Speaker 1: allocated a ton of money for for hotels and tourism
31:31
Speaker 1: actually did today in Samaria. But we need that more
31:35
Speaker 1: than the animals. It's the animals are like, okay, you know,
31:38
Speaker 1: we'll get that somehow. But there's a lot of other
31:41
Speaker 1: stuff that has to be done. That's that's definitely one
31:45
Speaker 1: of them.
31:46
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things that you wrote about
31:47
Speaker 2: recently in the last few weeks, which I thought was
31:50
Speaker 2: very important, was discussed the the new poll that came
31:55
Speaker 2: out as it relates to what you what you wrote
31:57
Speaker 2: about that that's a huge deal.
31:59
Speaker 1: Bombs people and a lot of people didn't even believe
32:02
Speaker 1: it when it came out. There was and that has
32:07
Speaker 1: to do with the war, that there was a survey
32:11
Speaker 1: and they asked people do you support building the Third Temple?
32:16
Speaker 1: Fifty five percent said yes? Before the war, it was
32:19
Speaker 1: about thirteen percent thirteen the war. It was even more
32:25
Speaker 1: transformational for Israel than nine to one one was for America.
32:31
Speaker 1: We found out that even if we don't want the temple.
32:35
Speaker 1: Our enemies are going to kill us just to make
32:37
Speaker 1: sure we don't build the temple because it was called
32:40
Speaker 1: the Lacks of Flood and it was because of the
32:42
Speaker 1: Red heifers. They attacked us on October seventh. You can
32:49
Speaker 1: see this, and you know it was. Oh, non religious.
32:52
Speaker 1: There's very, very very few non religious Israelis. You go
32:57
Speaker 1: to the army, they can there's every every soldier is
33:02
Speaker 1: wearing wearing seat seat wearing fringes because they're in the army.
33:09
Speaker 1: They make sure that every unit has at least one
33:12
Speaker 1: person with fill in so that they can put onto
33:14
Speaker 1: fill in. They're very very there's a lot of wakening
33:19
Speaker 1: up about that. It's really amazing. People are waking up
33:24
Speaker 1: to I'm Israel. You can see it, especially on the
33:27
Speaker 1: Temple Mount. Last year, despite all the restrictions that they
33:33
Speaker 1: put on us, I think we were over either we
33:36
Speaker 1: were close to or over. Sixty thousand Jews went up
33:40
Speaker 1: and we're only lowed up five days a week and
33:44
Speaker 1: we're only allowed up during the day for a total
33:48
Speaker 1: of six hours, and we're preying up there. I want
33:53
Speaker 1: to go to the Temple Mount because one of the
33:55
Speaker 1: things they're doing is they're they're prostrating yet, which that's
34:00
Speaker 1: like to bow down, to bow down, like when we
34:04
Speaker 1: say bowed down, it's not bowed down like in the dojo.
34:07
Speaker 1: It's bowed down, lie down full on the stones. The
34:12
Speaker 1: only place we can do that is on the Temple mount,
34:17
Speaker 1: and just like the only place we can bring an
34:20
Speaker 1: offering is on the Temple Mount. So we're doing that now.
34:26
Speaker 1: There was Josh wanders Is planning. They have towers scrolls
34:31
Speaker 1: that they're want to set up a synagogue on the
34:34
Speaker 1: Temple map. Uh, it's already, it's just waiting for the
34:42
Speaker 1: Israeli government to come around to it. They went up
34:46
Speaker 1: on Russia Shana with shofars and like little show fars
34:50
Speaker 1: that they could hide in their pocket, and like one
34:53
Speaker 1: guy came out and the police dragged him off, so
34:58
Speaker 1: then the second guy pulled it up. They did all
35:01
Speaker 1: of the shofar blasts for Russia Shan on the Temple map. Now,
35:05
Speaker 1: if you go up on Sukkote, there's always these young
35:08
Speaker 1: boys and they're settlers, God bless them. They put like
35:12
Speaker 1: a little Lulav and etrog in their pants and then
35:15
Speaker 1: they hide it in the rock. So anyone who comes
35:17
Speaker 1: up and wants the wave. Lulav and Etro can do that.
35:20
Speaker 1: It's really what's going on up there. It's like the
35:23
Speaker 1: nation wants it. The nation wants it. We're waking up
35:27
Speaker 1: to who we are and what we need to do,
35:30
Speaker 1: and God willing, God willing, we'll see it in our lifetime,
35:34
Speaker 1: you know.
35:34
Speaker 2: The UH help people understand and maybe you can give
35:38
Speaker 2: us some updated numbers. Is you know, when you look
35:41
Speaker 2: at the founding of the State of Israel back in
35:45
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, it was you know, facts are facts.
35:49
Speaker 2: It was primarily founded by those that were more secular
35:52
Speaker 2: in their perspectives. So what do you today if you
35:58
Speaker 2: were to give a percentage, you know, unscientific, I guess
36:01
Speaker 2: what's the percentage between let's say, secular and religious people
36:05
Speaker 2: in Israel?
36:06
Speaker 1: Well, I do know that the the polls and surveys
36:10
Speaker 1: that I've read, they lie. The question is, how would
36:14
Speaker 1: you define a religious Jew? I live. I live in
36:17
Speaker 1: in a town which is a lot of Moroccans, a
36:20
Speaker 1: lot of Moroccans Jews, not too many of them were
36:23
Speaker 1: keep us on their head, you know, and you ask them,
36:26
Speaker 1: are you religious?
36:28
Speaker 2: No?
36:29
Speaker 1: No, And I'm telling you I spoke to the mayor,
36:31
Speaker 1: and he's the same way. Are you religious? Nah? No?
36:35
Speaker 1: Do you eat kosher? Of course I eat kosher? What
36:39
Speaker 1: am I a gooy? Do you do you keep shoppists?
36:43
Speaker 2: No?
36:43
Speaker 1: I don't keep shopbis I watch television. Do you travel? Oh?
36:47
Speaker 1: God forbid? So the question is what is religious? And
36:51
Speaker 1: go try go try to find a piece of bread
36:55
Speaker 1: on pessach. You know, it's how do you define religious? Yeah?
37:01
Speaker 1: You know, so it's very if I said, and they
37:09
Speaker 1: call that traditional, which traditional is like Orthodox in America?
37:14
Speaker 1: You know, are very very close. I think it's way
37:19
Speaker 1: more than the surveys say. I think it's like eighty percent,
37:24
Speaker 1: you know, I really do. And it's you know, because
37:27
Speaker 1: it's mostly sofarti people people in America when they think
37:30
Speaker 1: of Jew, they think of a Caucasian. We're not Caucasian,
37:34
Speaker 1: you know. We're mostly Jews from the Arab countries who
37:39
Speaker 1: when God kicked us out, they didn't want to go
37:41
Speaker 1: too far, so they stayed in this area.
37:46
Speaker 2: And so explain that for the people that don't know
37:49
Speaker 2: what Sephardik or Ashkenazi or any of those. Explain that
37:52
Speaker 2: for America and it doesn't know what those terms mean.
37:55
Speaker 1: SFARTI is when we were. When we went into exile,
38:00
Speaker 1: they generally went through the Arab countries. They also went
38:04
Speaker 1: through Spain and Portugal, through the Iberian Peninsula and which
38:08
Speaker 1: was also at that time Arab and Muslim, and they
38:15
Speaker 1: were list thing Caucasian, and the Ashkenazim tended to go
38:20
Speaker 1: to Europe, Western Europe, Eastern Europe. UH. And they're the
38:28
Speaker 1: white people like me, I'm Ashkenazi. There's and there's a
38:33
Speaker 1: lot of big differences. The Holocaust mostly affected the Ashkenazim overwhelmingly.
38:41
Speaker 1: This farting like they they they maintained their Jewish identity
38:47
Speaker 1: and their Jewish heritage and their Jewish customs. They I remember,
38:51
Speaker 1: I was the religious guy in the army and I
38:55
Speaker 1: was in this uh they called it a base. It
38:58
Speaker 1: was like twelve fifteen soldiers in a big pile of sand,
39:05
Speaker 1: and we were just watching the Jordanians and we were
39:09
Speaker 1: there for Pessach. And I was the only one who
39:11
Speaker 1: needed to pass over Hagata to pray because all these
39:14
Speaker 1: guys they knew it, you know, by heart. M That's
39:19
Speaker 1: the way the Sfardim learned. So they and they they
39:23
Speaker 1: don't they don't fall too far the Ashganazim. When we fall,
39:28
Speaker 1: we go really far away. But it's it's really a
39:30
Speaker 1: matter of your your pathway after you went into exile.
39:35
Speaker 2: So so right now, So then of course, of the
39:40
Speaker 2: of the I guess if you want to say the
39:41
Speaker 2: makeup of Israel, if I know, I know it's pretty broad,
39:45
Speaker 2: but what are the percentages that of Spardi and Ashcanizem
39:50
Speaker 2: And they're.
39:50
Speaker 1: Much more than half Sardi? Okay, okay, and everyone. It's
39:56
Speaker 1: not like there are two branches of Judaism, right you
39:59
Speaker 1: have slight different, slightly different traditions of prayer, but I
40:09
Speaker 1: mean the same tora, the same talmud. And it's not
40:15
Speaker 1: like I I mean, it's not like one keeps kosher
40:18
Speaker 1: and the other doesn't, you know, we we definitely the
40:21
Speaker 1: big difference is on Passover that the Fartim eat rice
40:24
Speaker 1: and the Ashkenazim dot but on Passover I'm I'm SPARTI
40:29
Speaker 1: I eat rice.
40:31
Speaker 2: So so they so a couple of last things. Then
40:36
Speaker 2: the you and I, you know, you and I talk
40:39
Speaker 2: and you know, and just communicate a bit better word,
40:42
Speaker 2: you know, various times share with the audience kind of
40:45
Speaker 2: the feel. And you've written a lot about it about
40:48
Speaker 2: the you know, they go la, just the whole feeling
40:53
Speaker 2: that's happening there in the land, and what does that
40:57
Speaker 2: even mean.
40:58
Speaker 1: I've been writing for thirteen years about this subject, and
41:02
Speaker 1: when I first started doing it, people were like, oh,
41:05
Speaker 1: stop it, this is always happening. You're making a big
41:08
Speaker 1: deal out of nothing in it. Since Covid, I have
41:13
Speaker 1: not heard that once. You know, we're living in times
41:17
Speaker 1: when just crazy things are happening. It's like, you know,
41:21
Speaker 1: people always talk about Gog Magog and they're like, h
41:25
Speaker 1: and but aren't we looking at something that looks like
41:30
Speaker 1: Gog Magog? You know? And I mean the biggest one
41:35
Speaker 1: is like, come on, the Jews are back in Israel.
41:38
Speaker 1: You know, one hundred years ago they would have thought
41:40
Speaker 1: you were insane if you said that. It's just it's
41:44
Speaker 1: a prophecy that's in our faces, you know, And and
41:50
Speaker 1: a chem is still with us, Like sixty seven was
41:52
Speaker 1: a miracle, a miracle, but all the Israelis, I know,
41:57
Speaker 1: the old ones, they're like, sixty seven was a maze.
42:00
Speaker 1: It was clearly a miracle. It was culiarly a shem
42:03
Speaker 1: looking out for us. But this one's bigger, This one's
42:07
Speaker 1: bigger beepers. We were attacked on seven fronts. We were
42:11
Speaker 1: attacked by ICBMs from Iran, which was no small thing.
42:16
Speaker 1: And we're okay, and here we are and we're a
42:19
Speaker 1: tiny country and we've got all our young men are fighting,
42:27
Speaker 1: which is redefining Jews. It used to be you know,
42:31
Speaker 1: still high can I sell you a bagel? But now
42:36
Speaker 1: I love it. When people say a A is a
42:38
Speaker 1: brutal army, I'm like, yep, yep. We are the offspring
42:43
Speaker 1: of King David, we are the offspring of King Saul.
42:47
Speaker 1: You you want to know about a war tradition, we
42:50
Speaker 1: got it and we do it. And we are not
42:52
Speaker 1: colonial because we for three thousand years we have not
42:56
Speaker 1: increased our borders. We keep the borders that God gets us.
43:00
Speaker 1: But don't you mess with us. Don't you mess with us.
43:03
Speaker 1: God commanded us to fight our enemies and that's what
43:07
Speaker 1: we're doing. So I think I think it's very clear
43:12
Speaker 1: since since COVID, people are just realizing that something is
43:18
Speaker 1: happening in the world. Something is happening in the world.
43:22
Speaker 1: I look at my kids and I'm like, I might
43:24
Speaker 1: not say it, but they're going to be living it.
43:27
Speaker 1: They're going to be living it. It's a it's a
43:28
Speaker 1: new era in the world, and people are going off
43:35
Speaker 1: the deep end because they're there. They just don't want
43:38
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that God is in the world, or they're like, Okay,
43:45
Speaker 1: I know what my job is. It's like when you
43:47
Speaker 1: do prophecy, it's like, you know what's going to happen.
43:50
Speaker 1: The question is where do you fit in so and
43:54
Speaker 1: that's where Israel comes in. We're not, you know, an
43:56
Speaker 1: amazing country with amazing values. I hate when people say
44:00
Speaker 1: it's a democracy and that I don't care if it's
44:02
Speaker 1: a democracy. I don't care if we're the high tech nation.
44:05
Speaker 1: If I want to know who you are, where your
44:08
Speaker 1: heart is, just tell me where you what you feel
44:11
Speaker 1: about Israel, and I don't know everything I need to
44:14
Speaker 1: know about you. If you're against Israel, well what you're
44:19
Speaker 1: really against is God, because Israel is God showing himself
44:24
Speaker 1: in the world. We're not not because we're Greek or
44:28
Speaker 1: because for our benefit we're the litmus test. We're the
44:32
Speaker 1: servants of the world. And we're seeing that right now,
44:38
Speaker 1: and we're seeing that people are willing to go to
44:41
Speaker 1: ridiculous lengths to make themselves look stupid to reject every
44:47
Speaker 1: shred of reality and truth that they've ever been told,
44:52
Speaker 1: just to hate on Israel. And that's because that's what
44:57
Speaker 1: we did, that's what we're here for, and we're seeing
45:00
Speaker 1: it in a way we've never seen it before. Can
45:03
Speaker 1: you can you imagine someone in World War two saying
45:07
Speaker 1: Germany doesn't exist? You know, Germany doesn't exist. You know
45:15
Speaker 1: England is a terrorist nation. And that's what they're saying
45:21
Speaker 1: about Israel. It's really about who you are, where you are,
45:25
Speaker 1: where's your heart. And the amazing thing is the amazing
45:29
Speaker 1: thing is God is testing everyone and they can't hide
45:33
Speaker 1: because when this is all over, God is going to
45:36
Speaker 1: walk up to people and say, who were you for?
45:38
Speaker 1: Oh I was for the Bible in God? Really, let
45:40
Speaker 1: me look at your let me look at your Twitter feed.
45:43
Speaker 2: Yeah right, there's no doubt there's there. The line is
45:49
Speaker 2: has been drawn over the past few years, and you know,
45:54
Speaker 2: it just asks and so, you know, for for people
45:58
Speaker 2: who are interested in this story and the archaeology and
46:02
Speaker 2: you know, some of the other elements here, let them
46:05
Speaker 2: know where they can get the free download. I think
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Speaker 2: that's I didn't know it was a free download that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: It's totally free. They want people to read it. That's
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Speaker 1: why I have to do this. They're angry at me.
46:14
Speaker 1: They're like, we want, we want millions of downloads. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: should be getting it. It's project Kumran dot org, Project
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Speaker 1: qu m r a n dot org. It's a totally
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Speaker 1: free download. It's a pdf. It's I think about one
46:32
Speaker 1: hundred pages. It's a little bit longer than one hundred pages,
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Speaker 1: but that includes appendixes which have the actual lab reports.
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Speaker 1: It has the actual pictures of the plants that doctor
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Speaker 1: Terry Hutter did, It has interviews. It's it's all as
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Speaker 1: much first person as we can do. It's another reason
46:53
Speaker 1: we did it is the people who were on the
46:56
Speaker 1: dig with Vendal are getting very old, so we have
47:01
Speaker 1: to get this down. And that was one of the
47:03
Speaker 1: problems was there were conflicting reports. People don't remember as
47:08
Speaker 1: well as they used to, so we had to get
47:10
Speaker 1: that all down on paper and and and that's what
47:12
Speaker 1: we did. It's a fascinating story. If you want to
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Speaker 1: learn Bible, this is if I can give you one
47:19
Speaker 1: example of an amazing thing in there. We were talking
47:23
Speaker 1: about Kumran. There's the prevailing theory until recently was that
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Speaker 1: it was where the essenes were. And it's not really
47:35
Speaker 1: clear who the esscenes were. They violated a lot of
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Speaker 1: precepts in Judaism, and they said, oh, there, there, they're celibate,
47:45
Speaker 1: they're just men. And there's an amazing, amazing, amazing Jewish historian,
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Speaker 1: secular woman, professor Rachel Eliore. And she also specifically, I
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Speaker 1: just got her book. I haven't had a chance to
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Speaker 1: learn it about the incense where she said, what was
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Speaker 1: in Kumran, Well, there was a tradition, a line of
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Speaker 1: priests in the temple that went all the way back
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Speaker 1: to King Solomon and before and they were connected. She
48:21
Speaker 1: learned about it in the book of Ennach. And in
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Speaker 1: the Book of Nach there was there were four the
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Speaker 1: four organic elements that are listed as the katorred in
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Speaker 1: the in the Bible, in the Torah. In the Book
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Speaker 1: of Enoch, they says that Nach, who came after the
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Speaker 1: expulsion from the Garden of Eden, he was allowed to
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Speaker 1: go back in and take four plants, and these were
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Speaker 1: the four plants, and they were used for the katorret,
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Speaker 1: and that's why they were listed in the Torah. And
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Speaker 1: it connects the temple to the creation of the world
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Speaker 1: and to the garden of Eden. And there was a
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Speaker 1: line of priests who had this tradition, and that's what
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Speaker 1: they did with the temple, was to connect it to Anachen.
49:06
Speaker 1: And what happened is in the Hushemonium, the Hushmonaim, the Hesmonians,
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Speaker 1: they were priests from a different line, and they shifted
49:22
Speaker 1: the emphasis and the focus of the temple. The very
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Speaker 1: center of the temple was the golden altar for the incense.
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Speaker 1: There was only one time that they sprinkled blood inside.
49:35
Speaker 1: Other than that, the animal offerings and the grain offerings.
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Speaker 1: The only ones that went in were were the showbred.
49:43
Speaker 1: But the very center, the focus of the entire temple
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Speaker 1: was the incense on the golden altar. And this was
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Speaker 1: what they called the Benitsadok who these priests and the Rashmonaim,
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Speaker 1: they they changed it, they shifted it, and they put
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Speaker 1: the emphasis on the oil, and it really changed the
50:08
Speaker 1: very nature of the temple service. So people were like
50:15
Speaker 1: all uptight about the animal sacrifices in the temple. Get
50:19
Speaker 1: over it.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: Like or dervs. It wasn't really, it wasn't really the
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Speaker 1: main course. The main course was the temple incense, and
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Speaker 1: that was the Benit Sadok. And after the Hashmaney in
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Speaker 1: the Benit Sadoc, they said, you know, we've got to
50:36
Speaker 1: preserve this tradition because there's no way this temple can last.
50:40
Speaker 1: It just can't last. And we've got to be ready
50:44
Speaker 1: to restore the original temple. So they did that by
50:49
Speaker 1: setting up setting up school, setting up camp in Kumran.
50:54
Speaker 1: It was remote enough that they weren't bothered, which is
50:56
Speaker 1: why they had a huge storage of insect ends, which
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Speaker 1: is why they had elements from the temple in Kumran,
51:06
Speaker 1: which is why they did a lot of scribal stuff.
51:09
Speaker 1: They wanted to preserve their traditions and their teaching, and
51:13
Speaker 1: that's that was the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Scribal
51:16
Speaker 1: tradition of the of the Kumran. So Kumran was a
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Speaker 1: temple in waiting, there was a restored temple in waiting.
51:28
Speaker 1: And that's her theory about Kumran, and it's it's an
51:33
Speaker 1: interesting theory.
51:35
Speaker 2: So yeah, it helps contribute to again all the other things,
51:39
Speaker 2: the Copper scroll, and I find all of it so fascinating.
51:42
Speaker 1: It and of the feeling I'm telling you about this,
51:45
Speaker 1: but you probably know a lot more about it than
51:46
Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: So well, but again, you know that I appreciate the
51:51
Speaker 2: idea for people, you know, in our audience to hear
51:54
Speaker 2: about the new book, and of course it's available, and
51:59
Speaker 2: just the story behind and all of it and the whole,
52:01
Speaker 2: the whole preparation that we see coming to be right
52:05
Speaker 2: now in the whole again, third tuple movement. So Adam,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time today, and I encourage people to
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Speaker 2: go to project Kumaran dot org. Check out the book,
52:15
Speaker 2: share it, you know, see the stories, see all the
52:18
Speaker 2: work you've done, and then of course when you get
52:20
Speaker 2: your next project out, you know, we'll let me know, well.
52:24
Speaker 1: If I could, If I can add one thing, Yeah,
52:28
Speaker 1: I had some very not so nice experiences with the
52:31
Speaker 1: Red Heifer, and I discovered that people actually prefer a lie,
52:37
Speaker 1: they prefer the lies. And I was very insistent that
52:41
Speaker 1: even if they preferred the lie, for myself, I would
52:45
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that the truth was out there,
52:47
Speaker 1: and there were not so many people out there telling
52:50
Speaker 1: the truth, and you were one of the very few
52:52
Speaker 1: people telling the truth. So people should be very careful
52:55
Speaker 1: where they get this information from, especially if they have
53:00
Speaker 1: preconceived notions about it. And you are one of the
53:04
Speaker 1: real good sources for this, and I really appreciate you
53:07
Speaker 1: for that.
53:08
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate all the all the ways in which
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Speaker 2: you gave me your time and you helped me to
53:12
Speaker 2: get the facts on the ground.
53:14
Speaker 1: Always you're very good at getting the message out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you Sar and everybody else. Thanks for
53:19
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast this week and watching and again
53:22
Speaker 2: go to Israel three sixty five, check it out, check
53:25
Speaker 2: all of adams work again. You can get on the
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53:29
Speaker 2: few days I get another update and check the check
53:32
Speaker 2: the workout at Projectcubran dot org. Thanks for listening today
53:35
Speaker 2: and we will catch you next time.